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Nation of Islam Part 2 :Warith Deen Mohammed & his Departure from NOI (1164 hits)

“We should realize that the first identity is not African or a European or a Saudi. The first identity is a human being. And as long as we build our differences, our diversities (pardon me) upon that foundation that God gave us, the human foundation, we’re in good shape. And we should just make all the progress we can, separately and altogether.” Warith D. Mohammed as told to This Far by Faith producer Valerie Linson

Warith Deen Mohammed was born Wallace D. Muhammad. He was the seventh child of Elijah and Clara Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad, referred to as the Honorable Elijah Muhammad by his followers, led the Nation of Islam, an organization considered by some to be a kind of black Ku Klux Klan. But for the many African-Americans who became members — and for thousands of sympathizers — the Nation of Islam provided an answer to racial oppression.

Self-reliance and "knowledge of self" were the driving philosophies of the Nation. Elijah Muhammad preached that the black man needed to stop looking to the white man for acceptance and learn to accept himself. Muhammad encouraged blacks to start their own businesses, and to stay in their own communities. In effect, he advocated a black "nation within a nation."

The Nation of Islam taught that black people were the "original people" with a divinity bestowed upon them from God. In this theology, white people were considered devils --- and Elijah Muhammad was God's Messenger on earth.

Wallace Muhammad grew up listening to his father’s teachings, and he believed them as a child. But as he grew older, he was increasingly aware of the discrepancies between the Islam his father taught, and the Islam taught in the Qu’ran and practiced by millions of Muslims worldwide. Breaking with his father and the Nation would prove emotionally difficult and physically dangerous, but Wallace’s faith eventually led him to guide the Nation away from a separatist, race-based theology and towards the world community of Islam.

“The difference between religion and spirituality is that spirituality is human and divine. It is human in that God created us to be spiritually pure, innocent, and unblemished and that’s human. But God also created us for an appetite for divine will”. Warith D. Mohammed as told to This Far by Faith producer Valerie Linson

A CHILD'S AWAKENING
When he was 13 years old Wallace was left alone while his family attended a meeting. Scared, he began to pray. But he couldn't summon an image of a God to call on for comfort. Wallace had been taught to tear up pictures of white men, even when he saw them in the paper, but pictures of the Nation of Islam's founder and "Savior" W.D. Fard showed a fair-skinned man. Wallace couldn't resolve the contradiction. Finally, he began his prayer: "Oh Allah, if I'm not seeing you correctly, please help me to see you correctly." This was the beginning of a journey on which Wallace would repeatedly question the teachings handed down by his father. As he told producer Valerie Linson, “I believe much of the Nation of Islam’s theology was intentionally made ridiculous so that we would one day be too smart for it, and would look for something better, and would search for our own way to freedom. That’s what I think my father wanted.”

In late 1958, Elijah Muhammad appointed his 25-year old son as minister of Temple #11 in Philadelphia. There, Wallace began to acquaint the Philadelphia membership to orthodox Islamic practices. He taught the basics of Islamic prayer and introduced them to readings in the Qur'an - which was never read in Nation of Islam temples. But he was careful not to raise doubts about the leadership or divinity of his father.

FREED BY PRISON
In 1960, Wallace Muhammad, was convicted of draft evasion. Even though he could have performed community service as a conscientious objector, he chose to serve three years in Sandstone Federal Correctional Institution. He made that decision because his father insisted. At his sentencing hearing, he recalls, the judge said, “the young man is dominated by his father.”

Every night for three years, those words rang in his ears. He resolved to study, become stronger, to become a better leader for the Nation of Islam. But the more he prayed, studied and read the Qu’ran, the more he came to believe that Muhammed, who lived in Arabia and received the Qu’ran 14 centuries ago, was the messenger of Allah and the last prophet. In accepting this, he had to reject what he had been taught. He made up his mind never again to preach that his father was the messenger of Allah and that W.D. Fard was God incarnate.

At 32, Wallace Muhammad was released from prison. It was February 1963, months before the March on Washington. By then, the FBI had the Nation of Islam under constant surveillance. Elijah Muhammad was attacked by the media for leading a hate group, and by Malcolm X, who resigned amidst allegations that Elijah Muhammad had fathered several children out of wedlock. Confused, but still trying to protect his father, Wallace poured through the Bible and the Qu’ran to find justification for his father's extramarital relationships. In a letter to the Nation of Islam’s top ministers, Wallace Muhammad, he urged them to tell the truth. At the same time, he urged them to stop referring to Elijah Muhammad as the messenger of God.

EXCOMMUNICATED AND DISOWNED
Wallace was excommunicated from the Nation of Islam five different times for refusing to accept the divinity of Elijah Muhammad. He was forbidden to contact family members, including his mother. Meanwhile, his wife and child were harassed by Nation members who considered them traitors. Wallace and his family were subjected to threatening phone calls at all hours. Once, Wallace was nearly run over by a car. During these periods, Muhammad worked as a general laborer: welding and, on one occasion, mixing soup at the Campbell Soup factory.

REINSTATEMENT AND LEADERSHIP
In 1974, Wallace was permanently reinstated into the Nation of Islam...
To read more click onto link below:
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{This is the rest of the article being added after comments to blog}


In 1974, Wallace was permanently reinstated into the Nation of Islam and allowed to teach in the temples. Elijah Muhammad's health had been failing. When his father died in 1975, Wallace assumed control of the Nation of Islam. Within a year, he changed the name of the organization to the World Community of al-Islam in the West and later changed his own name to Warith Deen Mohammed. He did away with the Fruit of Islam, the Nation’s paramilitary organization, and abolished the Nation’s dress codes for men and women. Ministers became Imams and temples were renamed mosques. Followers were taught to pray as orthodox Muslims, to study the Qu'ran, and follow the five pillars of Islam. Warith Mohammed also taught that Elijah Muhammed was not a prophet, and that whites were not “blue-eyed devils.” He encouraged members to vote and enlist in military service. Although several thousand followed Louis Farrakhan when he split from Warith to re-establish the Nation of Islam, most members remained with Warith as he rapidly moved his community from the race-based, separatist beliefs of the Nation of Islam toward the orthodox practice of Sunni Islam. His thoughtful demeanor and profound spiritual conviction inspired a community of people steeped in the idea of self-reliance and spirituality.





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Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 2:13PM
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Lol. Well I told you Wallace wasn't down and from the very beginning. I remember Brother Rasoul told us one F.O.I night that when Wallace got home from prison his Father Elijah Muhammad thanked Allah God whom came in the person of Fard for his son's safe return. Lol. But Wallace said pointing to the picture of Fard behind his father's desk, "I never believed that man in that picure was God". Rasoul said his father had the F.O.I throw Wallace out of the house. Lol. Rasoul cleared up the belief about Wallace being a hypocrite that night when he said one had to be a believer in order to be a hypocrite and as long as I knew my brother Wallace he never believed Fard was God! Lol.

See I learned this stuff first hand not off the internet and that's not a bragging point but it's to say you can trust me when I tell that it was a cult. The Nation of Islam was and is a religious cult. Despite the true intent of some of it's members to lift up our people it was used by some to steal, rob and swindle in the name of White God. And Louis Farrakhan was such of the crowd of corruptors whom many of the old members knew of Farrakhan's taking the Nation's money and using it on himself. Dr. Khalid Muhammad before he died spoke here in Atlanta that after the Million Man March Farrakhan took the donation money given on the Mall by all those sincere brothers and used it to buy himself a Mercedes Benz and tried to give another new one to Dr. Khalid. But Dr. Khalid told Farrakhan that his family had money and he was a Doctor and if he was in it for the money he would have had a benz of his own.

To me knowing the truth is a matter of perception but knowing the facts is a matter of being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people.

Asi Lami Lakium
Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 3:20PM
John Washington
Hello Jen,

Very thoughtful, inspiring and informative that you posted this information.

Although it is the absolute truth of circumstances and events, I want you to understand as well that Mr. Warith Mohammad is wrong to lead Black Americans who are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery to Orthodox Islam. You should understand as I do that since Warith Mohammad is not anointed he is subject to being wrong while still doing the best he could from his own acquired wisdom. What I have is the wisdom of God. There is no doubt I am right because of this, Warith Mohammad is a Black American man and not an Arabian man as Prophet Mohammad was an Arab man strictly sent to the Arabian people by God. Al Islam is the Arabians people’s religion. Christianity is the European people’s religion. Judaism is the Jewish people’s religion. By now, you should see that every race that God has come to has their own religion. Our religion is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.” Am I making any sense? Am I backing myself up by comparison and contrast with the Arabians, Jews and Europeans? Of course, I am right because of these reasons and no one could say that I am wrong.

Now, everything starts from God. That is, as God came to Prophet Mohammad and Prophet Mohammad introduced Islam to the Arabian people so is the same that God came to me and I have the obligation to introduce our religion to Black Americans. Religion is how we shall worship and understand God in our own way.

Prophets are ordinary people except that God inspires, guides and protects them as they do as God has instructed them to do and not deviate as Jesus did when he went to the Gentiles with his teachings that was for the Jewish people only.

The same was the case with Moses except that Moses was not introducing a new religion, but rather restoring the religion of Joseph, Jacob, Isaac and Abraham, which is Judaism. However, the work that Moses was inspired, guided and protected by God to do is the same thing that I am doing with Black Americans. Moses was to make his people to understand that the Egyptians religion and worship was not the religion and worship of the Hebrew people. I am to have Black Americans understand that Christianity and Islam is not the religion or worship of Black Americans.

I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. We are a scattered people throughout this country, physically and mentally. The same was the case with the Hebrew people after being in bondage over 400 years in Egypt. The Hebrew people were entirely ignorant and dumb as we are. You all know that what I am saying is true.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become real people in this world. Everything that I say is going to happen. This world is not left up to the demise of any race to destroy other people as well as this earth. This world and all its inhabitants belong to God and God is real.

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 4:40PM
Harry Watley
[that since Warith Mohammad is not anointed he is subject to being wrong while still doing...]

Harry I think your comment about whether or not the Late Warith Deen Mohammed was anoited in merely speculation as well as subjective based upon you opinion.

[I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own...]

For example I could say that since Harry Watley is not anointed he is subject to being wrong while still doing the best he could from his own acquired wisdom although he thought it was from God.

Do understand what I mean? tell me what you think.
Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 5:18PM
Jen Fad
Hello Ms. Jen,

You made me laugh and this is why. You are thinking and that is a very good thing to do.

You asked a question and a good one at that and supported your question with logic by saying (for example).

Okay, firstly let us concern ourselves why Warith Mohammad is not anointed. Mr. Mohammad we now is a Black American man who is a descendent of slaves that was born on this continent. At the same time, Mr. Mohammad believes that he is a Muslim, Al Islam is his religion, Al Quran is his holy book and Prophet Mohammad is his prophet.

Now, we know that Allah only raises up prophets from among their own kinds. For instance, Prophet Moses was an Israelite and he was raised up from among the children of Israel. Prophet Jesus was a Jew and he was raised up among the Jewish people. Lastly, Prophet Mohammad was an Arab and he was raised up among the Arabian people. Naturally, we see there is a pattern here that is easily understood correlating to what Al Quran say that Allah only raises up prophets from among the own kinds.

Consequentially, Prophet Mohammad that Warith D. Mohammad embraces as his prophet could not be anointed because he would know better from God as I know better since I am anointed. In other words, all prophets will always match the race of their people that God had sent them. Does that make any sense to you?

Incidentally, Jen, 98% of what the Prophet is to do is to get his people to thinking or waking them up. When they are all woken for the most part then God kicks in. The last thing that Moses did was go to Pharaoh and adamantly told Pharaoh to, “LET MY PEOPLE GO”. In other words, when Moses went to Pharaoh the Hebrew people was very much awoken. You understand what I am saying.

I have many years of working In front of me waking up Black Americans to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent. God has already granted our sovereignty. We can I stop is the skin I have in this deal with God. Some days going to be very difficult and trying, but I must stick it out. For Jesus it was too much and he abandoned his people and took his message to the Gentiles. Likewise, there were many days Moses was pulling his hear out of his head, but he stuck it out.

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 7:58PM
Harry Watley
again, jenFad,

what are you aiming for with this Blog.

Our Brother, May Allaah have Mercy on Him, has died.

In the article he stated to this journalist that 1958 he was Practicing and Teaching AlIslaam and the Sunnah(way-means) of Mohamed(as)-----Not the negro versions of the slow Old followers of the noi.

So he did not get reinstated into the noi in 1974---because the article states in 1958 he was a Believer in AlIslaam and he was not following the NOI.

In 1975 he asked all Americans to follow AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed; he also asked noi to become Believers in AlIslaam and follow the Sunnah of Mohamed as 2 Billion Muslims worldwide.

when you say noi vs AlIslaam------
It means the same as
when you say slave master vs christianity

they are No where near the same and should not be put in the same sentence.....


Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:23PM
robert powell
Jen, Glad to wrote this

What you have done is added some truth with some falsehood and has come up with why Messenger through wallace out. Ever heard of Ford, Rockeller, Hunt, Kennedy just to name a few. These were tycoons that had sons that carried on their fathers empire. When Almighty God grants a man a son...It is designed to be a blessing not a curse. But King David had a son named Absolum. He was jelous and disobedient like Wallace that Almighty God had not chose him. In book of Samuel 18:31 King David general came running to the king ....it goes"

Good tidings for myu lord the king ! For the Lord has vindicated you this day, delivering you from the power of all who rose uip against you" Then King David said to the Cu****e. "Is it well with young man Absalom ?" The Cushte answered, "May the enemies of my lord the king, and all who rise up to do you harm, be like that young man." Wallace had become an enemy to Messenger Muhammad. But an enemy with a purpose. The Nation of Islam produced a paper called Muhammad Speaks and it had versus of the Quran each week. My family were Muslims and we had a Holy Quran in our home and read from it regularly. The teachings of Hon. Elijah Muhammad is in accordance to the Quran. It says throughout the Quran that when God decides to judge a nation, He raises one up from that nation that He is about to judge. Prophet Muhammad of Arabia was an Arab. Most of the 40 million African Americans do not SPEAK ARABIC. We could charge that God raised some one up and we don't understand what he is saying. So the all wise God raised up Elijah Muhammad charging him with the responsibility to raise up the Black Americans into a knowledge of themself and further prepare them for LAND OF THEIR OWN. That you never mentioned which was a KEY part of the Messengers teachings. Wallace was not the only brother of Messenger Muhammad. What about for instance, his oldest Emanuel that supported his father. The son of Ford supported his father. The son of Rockefellor supported his father. The son of Kennedy supported his father. I support my father. My son support me. That is the way Almighty God intended it. Then one mans life is continued thru his son and his son....then that man lives forever. But, when a man has a son that opposes his father...that is a terrible thing and why Wallace died all of a sudden not that old. His split was good for the Nation of Islam though, for it let Almighty God know who of the Muslim believers had a greater love for the Devil...it gave them an excuse to not sell the papers so the Nation of Islam fell because of the lack of revenue from the Muhammad Speaks. Now Wallace is gone and the Nation of Islam can heal itself. All praises is Due Allah
Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 10:27PM
jamal Abraham
[It says throughout the Quran that when God decides to judge a nation, He raises one up from that nation that He is about to judge. Prophet Muhammad of Arabia was an Arab. Most of the 40 million African Americans do not SPEAK ARABIC. We could charge that God raised some one up and we don't understand what he is saying. So the all wise God raised up Elijah Muhammad charging him with the responsibility to raise up the Black Americans into a knowledge of themself and further prepare them for LAND OF THEIR OWN...]

Brother Jamal that is a good argument, but according to Brother Harry, he states;
"I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way."

He too says he's been anointed or raised up by God to lead all African Americans to our very own land on this continent with borders that we can call our own. Who does one believe?

I think religion is a matter of choice like everything else in this world is. There would be some here in BIA to argue that Christianity was forced on our African ancestor by “the White Man”, but now there is choice whether to continue or abandon it. No one is forcing African Americans to continue in “the White Man’s religion” today, but we who follow Christianity do so because we have the freedom of choice like you all have the freedom of choice to follow Islam. For me there is nothing compelling about what you are saying, what the Late Warith Deen Mohammed, or what Brother Harry on this site is currently saying that convinces me about one religion over the other. Just my two cents worth for whatever it is worth....

Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 2:12AM
Jen Fad
[So he did not get reinstated into the noi in 1974---because the article states in 1958 he was a Believer in AlIslaam and he was not following the NOI.]

Brother Robert I see the point so I took a second look at the link and decided to post the entire article and it turns out that you are indeed a true scholar or able to read and sort out facts.

This is not my article, but it was done by PBS some years ago for reasons I do not know maybe perhaps to discredit the NOI or who knows for what other reasons. I was intrigued by the Late Warith Deen Mohammed because I wanted to know why he would break away from NOI when his father the Late Hon. Elijah Mohammad was well loved and respected by his followers. I still don't know, but I hope to keep researching to find out. Thanks for your contribution to this blog, but I have made the changes to the blog.


Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 2:15AM
Jen Fad
Sister, Jen...Good Morning

A person can SAY anything...that does not make it so....What has Harry DONE......nothing......you judge a tree by the FRUIT it produces. A apple on leaves of a tree proves it is a apple tree. If nothing grows on the tree...then what kind of a tree is it....It is a NOTHING TREE.
Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 5:35AM
jamal Abraham
Brother Jamal you crack me up this morning! ((Lol)) ...A NOTHING TREE... Ha!
Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 10:29AM
Jen Fad
jenFad,

Thank you for Stating that I am a Scholar Here.

I am not a scholar in something that is MY FAMILY---this means that I don't care what article you find---its my family --- not a journalist..............

He never Broke with his Father!!!!!!!

again, for the readers that cannot comprehend---
elijah muhammad had since the 1940s given his followers AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(as)---our brother Warithdeen was born in 1933--and had been in University of Islam learning AlQur'aan and Sunnah and the Arabic language since childhood with his older and younger siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles which number in the hundreds..........he wasn't actually the Most Scholarly--i give that distinction to brother Dr. Akbar Muhammad.

Our Father; BROKE long ago from the old negro, replacewhiteChristian with blackChristian divinity noi thugs and thieves.

But as noted in History that thugNegrochrisian element destroyed our friend AlHajAbdulMaleek AsShabazz.


Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 2:14PM
robert powell
Hello Jen,

Let me respond to you first then Jamal.

Mr. Jamal said this, “So the all wise God raised up Elijah Muhammad charging him with the responsibility to raise up the Black Americans into a knowledge of themself and further prepare them for LAND OF THEIR OWN”

Let me make it clear that God did not raise up Elijah Muhammad. A man named Dr. Fard Muhammad of India origin rose up Elijah Mohammad. Elijah Muhammad was mentally mesmerized by Dr. Fard Muhammad that Elijah sincerely believe Dr. Fard Muhammad was God in actual flesh as the Black Christians believe that Jesus was God in the actual flesh. Black Christians and Black Muslims are spiritually as nutty as a fruitcake.

Dr. Fard Muhammad traveled thousands of miles showing documents that allowed him to enter into the United States. In the mean time, Mr. Fard peddled silk fabrics and met Elijah. He then taught Elijah Islam and lessons to be used to convert ignorant Black Americans into the Arabian ways, customs and rituals that was eventually to turn Black Americans into a nation in White America.

God does not work that way. God does not have documents as passport. God does not have a race. God does not peddle silk fabrics. Again, God did not raise up Elijah Muhammad. Dr. Fard Muhammad rose up Elijah and you should make mistake about it.

When God raises up a prophet, it is a personal experience between God and the Prophet. When God rose up Moses, Moses explained his personal experience as a burning bush. When God rose up Prophet Mohammad, he explained his experience in a cave. Each prophet have different experience, none is ever with a human being acting as God as in the case with Dr. Fard Muhammad and Elijah.

Now this revelation is most important since everything has to be rational, that is, Allah only raises up prophets from among their own kinds. Elijah is a Black American and a descendent of slaves. Dr. Fard Muhammad is not of Elijah’s kinds. In addition, Elijah claims to be a Muslim, which is Arabian. Elijah claims Al Quran is his religious book of guidance, which is Arabian. Elijah claims the religion of Islam, which is Arabian. Elijah prays the traditional Arabian prayers. Consequentially, Elijah was injected with the venom of Arabian people to poison Black Americans and it worked. You see this poison manifest itself in Mr. Jamal, Solomon and Robert who are all Black Americans, but thinks they are Arabian people. They were poison with Islam by Elijah who was poison I Dr. Fard Muhammad.

When, God raises up a prophet that prophet has nothing that belongs to other people. I neither am a Muslim nor am I a Christian. I am a believer in God and our religion, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”. I have nothing that belongs to other people that I offer to my people, Black Americans. I only have what God gave me for Black Americans. In other words, since Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery everything that comes to us must be as new as we are. Christianity is not new. Al Islam is not new. Prophet Mohammad is not new. Jesus is not new. I am new and our religion is new, am I right. Do you understand what I am saying to you, Ms. Jen?

Now, let me personally address your thoughts Ms. Jen that religion is a matter of choice. It is not a matter of choice and this is why. Prophets are the ones that bring religion to their people. Religion is the way that particular people will worship God. For instance, Prophet Mohammad brought Islam to the Arabian people. Abraham brought Judaism to the Jewish people. I brought sovereignty and salvation of God on a portion of this continent to Black Americans. Are you connecting the dots now? After you all begin to understand and accept me, our way to worship God will be entirely different from the Christian and Muslim way that you all are familiar with will be permanently over.

Since no people have, the right to choose whom their prophet should be neither do you have the right to choose a religion. When God intervenes in the affairs of a people, what is required of the people is to obey the prophet and God. Am I making any sense? It took the Hebrew people 20 years to obey Moses and God. It took Prophet Mohammad between 13 and 20 years before the Arabian people obeyed Prophet Mohammad and God. Now, how many years it will take Black Americans to obey me and God that would bring about a permanent change of sovereignty for us, I don’t know

What should be compelling Ms. Jen is that God intervenes in the affairs of people when the people could no longer help themselves. For instance, God intervened in the affairs of the Hebrew people because they had not the wherewithal to free themselves from Pharaoh. The same is the case with us. We have not the wherewithal especially mentally speaking to free ourselves from the grips of White America. So, when God intervenes, we have not the right to choose who our prophet should be and we have not the right to choose what our religion would be either, if we did we would need the help of God in the first place. For instance, the children of Israel had not a choice to choose Moses as their prophet, am I right. The house of Israel had not a choice to choose Jesus as their prophet either, am I right. Likewise, Black Americans do not have the choice to choose who their prophet should be either. Am I making any sense with you? I am Black America’s first genuine prophet.

I think I have said enough.

Tell me what you think.



Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 5:05PM
Harry Watley
Hello Jamal,

I understand your point. You asked what I have done. Well, I have done a lot and thus far. The task of prophets is to change the mind thinking of their people before God kicks in, if you will.

For instance, Moses perseveres with his people approximately 20 years changing their minds, which brought on the Exodus.

Prophet Mohammad persevered with his people approximately 23 years before they accepted Islam over paganism, which brought on a change over the entire country of Arabia.

Again, the prime responsibility of a genuine prophet is to change the mindset of his people, which brings on the resolution of the problem to why the prophet was raised up by God to begin with, am I right.

I think what you are looking for me to do is what Elijah did when he established schools, purchase farmlands, set up mosques to teach Islam etc. A genuine prophet does not do the things you have in mind. Your way of thinking is influenced by Elijah Muhammad since he did these things.

My task is to change the mindset of Black Americans to desire sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders that we may pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own God-given way.

When this point in time comes then I would divinely approach White America to let us go. This is a very crucial point divinely speaking when this ultimatum is presented to White America. We do not know if White America will actually let us go. I personally believe that White America will be hard-pressed, but eventually will be happy that we are a sovereign people right next door to them.

God has not inspired me to set up businesses, schools, farmlands, buy airplanes etc. in White America. These things will be done on our portion of this continent that would become our sovereign country with borders. Am I making any sense with you all?

Anyway, I think your question an analogy about the tree is much too early to present to me since I have been anointed now two years. I have many more years in front of me to deal with knuckleheads as you and Mr. Solomon are in an effort to change your mindset to be a positive help rather than a hindrance.

Tell me what you think.

Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 5:34PM
Harry Watley
OK, Harry take your time

In the mean time while...Messenger Elijah Muhammad, Allah(GOD) last prophet on planet earth produced the FOI....Fruit of Islam.....MGT....Muslims Girls Training basically Men and Women trained to be and act civilized. Match or do better than that......Must warn you, though The FOI and MGT are great !
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 9:14AM
jamal Abraham
jamal-solomon-harry,

many trees have rotten fruit, that is next to wonderful fruit
many trees, some seasons produce nothing, sometimes the rotten fruit produces seeds for magnificent trees,

many trees have fruit eaten by animals that anally excrete seeds that produce magnificent trees.....

But they are trees.....

Men have one Family Tree and it begins with The Creation of Adaam


Friday, January 15th 2010 at 9:19AM
robert powell
Jamal,

you couldnt be that silly, siebra is 2010 mgt, you and solomon are 2010 foi.

and can't read AlQur'aan yet?


Friday, January 15th 2010 at 9:59AM
robert powell
Hello Jamal,

Let me begin by saying that it is absolutely wrong of you to say that Elijah Muhammad, was Allah(GOD) last prophet on planet earth. You and I know that Mr. Elijah Muhammad was Dr. Fard Muhammad’s messenger if anything. But, absolutely not a genuine prophet of God to Black Americans.

I explained to you that since Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery everything that comes to us from God is knew. Our religion is new. Our religious book, which is forthcoming, is new.

Now, how disrespectful would we be to God that after God and Prophet Harry leads us into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way we leave our sovereign country and flies over to Arabia to make Hajj and kiss the Blackstone? Stop being silly.

Am I making any sense with you?


Friday, January 15th 2010 at 5:56PM
Harry Watley
Hello Robert,

I want to plant in your mind that we will give to the world in our forthcoming religious book our understanding of God creation. Now, I am not taking anything away from the Bible’s and Al Quran notion about creation. However, we will have our own as Black Americans. Perhaps, we will not use the name Adam since the name Adam has already been taken up. However, the understanding of creation virtually will remain the same in our religious book.

My understanding of Adam represents God creation of one race of human beings that evolved into the many different races we see today that we refer to as humanity. The first race that God created was dark skinned people. Consequentially, the family of Adam as you put it represents dark skinned people, am I right.

Incidentally, your point is well taken that since Jamal and Solomon represents the FOI and Siebra represents the MGT today as opposed to what they were in the 60s and 70s Jamal should be a shame of how much Elijah’s NOI organization have deteriorated.

Tell me what you think

Friday, January 15th 2010 at 6:18PM
Harry Watley
[I explained to you that since Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery everything that comes to us from God is knew. Our religion is new. Our religious book, which is forthcoming, is new.]

[I am to have Black Americans understand that Christianity and Islam is not the religion or worship of Black Americans. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on...]


Harry,
I have a few questions for you; are you saying that Black Americans will have a totally new religion separate from Christianity brought to the Gentile nation by the Apostle Paul?

Separate from salvation in a Jewish man named Emmanuel otherwise known as Jesus the Christ?

How would you best describe Jesus (a great prophet, a great rabbi, or the Son God)?

Harry depending on how you anwser these quesions, I will have something more to say... but for now I will leave it as it is.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 1:57PM
Jen Fad
Hello Ms. Jen,

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying Ms. Jen. We, Black Americans will have an entirely new religion separate from Christianity brought to the Gentile nations by the Apostle Paul in the book of Acts when the word Christian was first coined.

The religion of Black Americans is, “The Salvation of God for the Salvation of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.”

Black Americans in our sovereign country will practice neither Christianity nor Islam or any other religion. The emigrants we allow in our country will practice those religions or the religion of their choice. We will remember the God that bought us out of subjugation in White America and into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. As that day comes near all of you, who still embraces the Christian and Islamic religion will be solemnly warned that you must choose which God you will serve. Will you serve the god of White America or will serve the God that brought us out of slavery and subjugation of over 500 years in White America? But, as for me, I will serve the God that bought us out of slavery and subjugation in White America as well as anointed me. Everything I say is going to happen.

As far as Black Americans are concerned, I promise God that we will not turn back from God as the Hebrew people done many a times and I aim to keep my promise to God. We are going to be some outstanding people.

Next, you asked me how I would describe Jesus and you gave me three choices. It is difficult for me to describe Jesus since I love him as I do all men of God. Jesus could have been a great prophet had he stuck it out with his people and not turn to the Gentiles with his teachings. His teachings were strictly to reform his people, the Jewish people. However, the Jewish people got under the skin of Jesus and he could not handle it. He turned his back on his people and at the same time turned his back on God. God anointed Jesus and that Jesus anointing himself.

When Jesus realize the terrible mistake he had made he prayed to God harder than he had ever done for forgiveness in the Garden of Gethsemane. However, we see that God did not forgive him and he was crucified. It is a very serious thing when a prophet disobeys God and decides to do his own thing.

Jesus people needed him even though they did not realize it, but Jesus realized how much they needed him. Perhaps, if Jesus did not abandon them they might not have been scattered throughout the world for over 2000 years and may have escaped the Holocaust. Jesus did a great injustice to his Jewish people as well as to God. So, that is how I would describe Jesus. When I pray I would often times ask God to forgive him.

As far as asking me other questions, you are welcome to ask.

Tell me what you think.





Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 4:18PM
Harry Watley
[Next, you asked me how I would describe Jesus and you gave me three choices. It is difficult for me to describe Jesus since I love him as I do all men of God.]

Harry I don't find the choices I gave you challenging--- here they are again
{How would you best describe Jesus (a great prophet, a great rabbi, or the Son God)?}

You said Jesus would have been a great prophet, but it appear you do recoginize him as a prophet, but what about a teacher and the Son of God? As you know Jesus' proclaiming himself to be God was the central issue the people back then had with him & still have today. Of course you being a scholar know the Divinity of Jesus is the crux of Christianity. Even the demons know who Jesus is, eh? will there be evil in your new religion?

What say you Harry?

Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 6:14PM
Jen Fad
Hello Ms. Jen,

As I told you, what I know about Jesus ordinarily and by inspiration of God, I would say this. I do not think that Jesus would have ever been greater than Moses was. I would say that he would have been second to Moses had he not disobeyed God.

As far as being a great teacher, yes he was. While Moses was not a teacher, Jesus was a teacher since Jesus came to reform the Jewish people. Jesus had to explain to his people right from wrong spiritually speaking. Therefore, this kind of task requires the skill and wisdom of a teacher. For example, a teachable moment for Jesus was when he came upon a mob of Jewish men about the stone Mary Magdalene to death. Her charge was that she was caught in the act of adultery. The mob said to Jesus that it has been their law and custom that a woman caught in the act of adultery is to be stoned to death. Jesus then picked up a stone and set to the mob if any of them were without sin cast the first stone. They all understood the significance of what Jesus said and they all dropped their stones and walked away. No doubt, Jesus was a great teacher.

The Sermon on the Mount was a teachable moment as well. They are many teachable moments throughout Jesus short ministry. When the Pharisees asked him, which are the greatest commandments of the 10 was a teachable moment when Jesus said the first and the second. Nevertheless, his people got under his skin and he simply said the hell with them. He made that fatal mistake in the eyes of God and abandoned his divine task as well as God.

On the other hand, Moses was anointed to free the Hebrew people from bondage. So, you have two entirely different tasks.

So, I do not know how to answer your question except to say I do not think Jesus was great at anything since he disobeyed God and went astray to teach the Gentiles.

Incidentally, the demons knew Jesus before Jesus went astray. Jesus of all God prophets was so humiliated and that shows how disgusted God was with Jesus because of his disobedience.

Jesus felt that his disobedience did not rise to the level that God should abandon or forsaken him. Nevertheless, God was still somewhat merciful to him that Jesus did not suffer on the cross as would ordinarily expect. He died quickly.

Okay.

Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 8:45PM
Harry Watley
Harry thanks for your reply.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 9:51PM
Jen Fad
Hello Jen,

I want you. I want Clark. I want Irma etc.

We are going to be sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.

The height of us becoming a civilized people is coming to the aid of White Americans if a disaster should ever befall them as what has befell the Haitian people just a few days ago.

Now just do not think that I mean just for White Americans, but especially for White Americans. We must show them that we could be better to them than they have been to us. We will not fail or lose anything since God is with us.

Okay.

Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 10:33PM
Harry Watley
Harry,
Thanks but No Thanks. I like the "White Man's Religion" passed down to me from my ancestors. I believe Jesus to be the Son of God and I have found Salvation in Him alone, but I'm sure you'll get someone to follow you.
Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 5:52AM
Jen Fad
Hello Ms. Jen,

I understand your mindset. Please take no offense. But understand that by the time Moses was anointed his people have already been in slavery over 400 years. In other words, 20 generations have passed. So, when Moses approached his people about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the Hebrew people being so out of it new nothing of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Am I making any sense with you? The ignorant Hebrews told Moses thanks but no thanks they believe in the religion of their ancestors passed down to them in the last 400 years, which was the Egyptian people’s religion. If you notice you are telling me the same thing as the ignorant Hebrews told Moses, am I right Ms. Jen.

The Egyptians have stripped them in 400 years of slavery in bondage their true ancestors’ God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Am I making any sense to you by using comparison and contrast of the Hebrew people’s circumstances and our present-day circumstances? I hope that you could see and understand what I am saying.

So, as you can see, Moses had a very difficult time connecting to them because they were extremely ignorant and dumb as you are. Please, take no offense. It is necessary that the truth be made plain and understandable.

Now, if Moses were not successful them ignorant Hebrews would not have joined Moses in the Exodus, am I right. Likewise, if you ignorant Blacks fail to understand what I am saying you will not join me in our sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way as well, am I right.

The truth that I have said using the Hebrew people’s circumstances in comparison and contrast to ours could not be made plainer than what I have done, am I right even if you still want to be ignorant? I realize as Moses did your ignorance is due to the many years associated with the slavery of our ancestors.

Now, I am not saying anything wrong or right about White America’s religion of Christianity. What I am saying is that it is not the religion of Black Americans just as the Egyptian religion was not the religion of the Hebrew people.

Okay.

Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 8:18AM
Harry Watley
Bro. Robert, Hello

Your points are on point. Lets see Wallace tears down the Nation of Islam that his father built up.....sure, he was rotten fruit. He does align American Muslims up with Orthodox Islam so that they can take up backwards in time about 1400 years. Orthodox Muslims are unable to advise Muslims today...in America. OK...they can give us task of learning to speak Arabic.....America is an English speaking country and revelation to me and 40 other million back AMERICANS better be in English...or you can through the Quran in the trash as junk. But the Holy Quran is 100% truth...so any word from Allah(God) from messeners or prophets has to come in English. For me, to learn Arabic has not been a priority.......My priorities is to learn the matters in math and sciences. The life of Wallace was significant in that
it demonstrates how a good man can produce such a terrible son.
Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 10:52AM
jamal Abraham
Hello Jamal,

I take it that responding to Robert is easier for you than responding to me. Well, as a scientist you know that water seeks its own level, am I right. Consequentially, Robert seems to be on your level. But, you should always be challenging yourself to rise above your comfort zone. Rising above your comfort zone is progress.

Somehow, it seems to be in the blood of the Negroes not to advance and that is troubling.

When God created, man that man was dark skinned and for hundreds of thousands of years that dark skinned man did nothing in the way of progress in the quality of his own life and of the earth. He did nothing to improve the earth and he did nothing to improve the quality of his own life. He stayed one notch above how animals live in the holes and caves.

Dark skinned people disappointed God big-time that God safety net kicked in and evolution brought forth the rest of the races and the last race, the White race did what God expected the first race to do.

Today, dark skinned people as we are still shies away from progress and advancement as you do. Do you suppose that it is something in our blood?

Tell me what you think if you are not afraid of my intelligence.

Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 11:16AM
Harry Watley
jamal,

pharoahFiraun adopted Musa as his son;

Did firaun produce a terrible son?---

"math and science?"--
how about "language SCIENCE" of AlQur'aan-the language SCIENCE of The Creator?

Of course AlQur'aan is the Truth of Monotheistic Thought---but you, in my opinion, are no einstein, if you cannot even make an attempt to learn AlQur'aan in the original language, our father loved to say Original.

Typical jenFad christianPagan Thought---stereotypicalNegros are too lazy to acquire Scholarship so they let their slaveMaster teach them, and they believe nonsense.

There is no such thing as Orthodox!---thats europeanPagan Translation!

Allaah gives us Science in AlQur'aan---
for "little abraham"

AlQur'aan says in Sűrat Al Imran:
3:65. O people of the Scripture -Jews and Christians! Why do you dispute about Ibrâhîm-abraham, while the Torah and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?

66. Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge? It is Allâah Who knows, and you know not.

67. Ibrâhîm-abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanîfa-Monotheism - to worship none but Allâah and he was not of Al-Mushrikűn - pagans

SuratulBaqarah-
2:135. And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say to them O Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم), "Nay, we follow only the religion of Ibrâhîm, Hanîfa-Monotheism, to worship none but Allâah and he was not of Al-Mushrikűn - those who worshipped others along with Allâah.

136. Say O Believers, "We believe in Allâah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm-abraham, Ismâ‘îl, Ishâq, Ya‘qűb, and to Al-Asbât - the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qűb, and that which has been given to Műsâ and ‘Îsâ, and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted in AlIslâam."

learn something!----"little abraham"(what idiot would call you, That?--solomon?)

I can advise you on math and science and definetly about the Science that 2 Billion Muslims practice from AlQur'aan.




Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 11:34AM
robert powell
Bro. Robert

Then tell me about how to produce electrical energy from an atom. Tell me how the science of this world put Iraq to shame. Put Libya to shame. Tell how some little country like Israel is able to hold at by the near about the entire middle east understanding of math and science. Tell how America with their understanding of math and science can produce a machine to fly 10,000 miles above the ground in Pakistan and can strike middle eastern muslims with their belief in the Quran and strike them down at will. Sounds like the science of the Muslims in the east needs to be updated.

Sure, I know some Arabic language....have you so sense. A young child born in Islam naturally will know some Arabic. What do you think I was speaking during my trip to Egypt. The months that I was there, they taught me Arabic and I loved it. Then, My Quran has Arabic on one side and English on the other side. Sure,there are some words that are untranslatable. Any fool knows that. But, what I speak is for the masses of African Americans in this country.....A muslim should not be so selfish as to keep Islam just for himself......He should teach others in whatever land that he resides. If you lived in China and you are a Muslim, then how can you pass the truth of the One God to others is you don't learn Chinese. But, you are in America ....an English speaking nation that rules the world.....Then a muslim must learn English to pass on the truth of God to the black Christians.
Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 1:00PM
jamal Abraham
Hello Jamal,

You said this, “.....Then a muslim must learn English to pass on the truth of God to the black Christians“.

I am here to pass on the truth of God to the Black Christians and Black Muslims in an effort to turn them away from these religions and give them our own religion. Our religion is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.”

In our sovereign country, Black Americans will be practicing neither Christianity nor Islam.

Every people that God visits the prophet has the responsibility of introducing their people God as Prophet Mohammad did with his Arabian people, am I right. All that you are doing is trying to introduce Black Americans to God through the veins and eyes of the Arabian people. Again, Black Americans are not Arabian people.

I have told you before that Islam are not the religion of Black Americans. Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. Therefore, everything that comes to Black Americans must be new as well. Islam is not a new religion and in addition, it is the religion of the Arabian people. It was Prophet Mohammad’s responsibility to introduce Islam to his Arabian people as I said above. It was the responsibility of Moses to restore the religion of Judaism to the Hebrew people that were in bondage over 400 years. Am I in keeping with the law of God as mentioned in Al Quran? I believe I am. I do not think that you are.

Abraham let me say this to you. A prophet will always know who he is and who his people are. If you do not know, who you are or who your people are then you are nothing but a knucklehead. Again, we are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. We are not Arabian people to have the religion of Al Islam and to be called Muslims. We have our own religion as the Arabian people have their own religion as well. Prophet Mohammad was the prophet for the Arabian people and I am the prophet for Black Americans. So am I in keeping with the law of God?

Remember that Al Quran says that God only rose up prophets from among their own kinds and Prophet Mohammad is not of our kinds. Consequentially, your rationale is screwed up by Al Quran criterion, am I right.

Tell me what you think.




Sunday, January 17th 2010 at 5:40PM
Harry Watley
"little abraham"

your state, "Sure,there are some words that are untranslatable"---
so as a math and science genius you mislead BIA with your lack of Scholarship.

Arabs and Muslims, per capita, are the most educated people on the Earth with the greatest number of Doctors and Scientists.---Egypt where you claim to have been, has the most Female Doctors in the World.---Mohamed AlBariday is the most knowledgeable Atomic Scientist of Our Time.

Iraq is about Belief, by pre-2001 iraqis that the same guys that burned, in ovens, 6 million of their neighbors in Europe were their friends.

I see no issue in Libya, Libya is a rich nation, with leadership that attempts to unify all African nations into confederation. The nation that My Father asked me to go to thank for a gift of Financial help---(that may have fed "little abraham")

little abraham, science and math are generally and initially theroies, based on assumptions of experiments til proven consistent......

AlIslaam is Scholarship of history, thought, organization, discipline and Belief in the continuous feeding, by The Creator-AlFateer-AlKhalaq-ArRahman, to the Descendants of Adaam, the father of all mankind---for the role Man to his fellow Man and his Biological and Theoretical surroundings..

and harry,

if jamal was a 'math and sciences---psychologist--i sure would pay for a meeting of your twoMinds......




Monday, January 18th 2010 at 9:22AM
robert powell
Harry, what you mean

No matter how scholarly one becomes they must be able to speak to the illiterate..such as robert powell. Math and science is in one category and psychology is in another category. He does not know that. The last I checked, Michigan State University does not give out advanced science degrees. And as far as scholarly doctors and scientist....who has warships off of whose coast. America has her ships off of the Muslims coastline but no one has ships off the coast of America peeking in....

Harry, you say neither Christianity or Islam....then what do you have. There is some to giving me that old time religion. Also, as it was in the beginning so shall it be in the ending. Will be hard to find something better than Islam which has positively effected the entire world.
Monday, January 18th 2010 at 10:46AM
jamal Abraham
little abraham

Psychology - is an academic and applied discipline which involves the SCIENTIFIC study of human or animal mental functions and behaviors. In the field of psychology, a professional researcher or practitioner is called a psychologist, and is a type of social SCIENTIST........

warships are hardware of war and destruction, big buildings are grand also. Firaun had the greatest warships of his time, the greatest buildings of His time.
Our Great Musa(as) with Belief and a staff made shark bait out of his 'greatness'?

again, I can advise you on math and science and definetly about the Science that 2 Billion Muslims practice from AlQur'aan.

I can even recommend Dr.Naim Akbar for you and harry--inYourMind prophets




Monday, January 18th 2010 at 2:22PM
robert powell
Hello Jamal,

I believe that you are asking me since Christianity and Islam is not going to be our religion then what will be our religion? Jamal our religion is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.”

We are going to return Christianity to its rightful owner, White American people. White American people many years ago gave the religion of Christianity to our ancestors. Our ancestors in time passed it down to us and that is how we became Christians.

In addition, we are going to return Al Islam to its rightful owner, Arabian people and Eastern believers in Al Islam. Black Americans for the most part was given Al Islam to believe in by Dr. Fard Muhammad and he is an Eastern believer in Prophet Mohammad and Al Islam.

We four outstanding reasons beginning with our DNA factor why we must return Christianity and Al Islam along with the other religions we practice such as Buddhism etc.

A) Our DNA is that we are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery, therefore, the religion we will practice will be new to the world as we are a new race to humanity.

B) We are not Europeans or White American people to practice Christianity.

C) We are not Arabian people to practice Al Islam.

D) We have our own religion to practice, which is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.” Naturally, we cannot practice our own religion while practicing other people’s religion. Consequentially, our minds need to be absolutely free to practice our own religion. I believe Jesus said you cannot serve two religions, either you will hate one and love the other.

Consequentially, it is not a matter whether Al Islam is the best religion in the world; it simply is not Black America’s religion to practice. Incidentally, we are not going to become fanatics about our religion to be converting people to our religion and telling them that there is no religion in the world better than our own religion as you presently feel about Al Islam. I hope you understand. In other words, we not going to start wars with the rest of the world to accept our religion as the Crusaders and Muslims did hundreds of years ago, okay.

People gets their religion generally from their own prophet, if not they will adopt another people’s religion as their own to practice. This is more or less the situation with Black Americans. However, since God has anointed me, Black America’s first genuine prophet I will set things right. Am I making any sense with you?

Tell me what you think.

Monday, January 18th 2010 at 7:47PM
Harry Watley
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