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Man robs a bank, then gets caught and pleads to the Judge, Christ died for my sin. Drunk driver runs over a child who dies, also pleads his case to Judge, that Christ died for my sin. Common sense says that a person is responsible for their own sin. Natures laws do not support such a concept. In fact, this is contrary to the balance of justice. It is purely a convenient lie that white authority used on ignorant black slaves to excuse the white Romans for ordering the death of Jesus. It makes for black people to forgive whites for killing Jesus with immunity. Further, black people lives are better because supposedly his death allows them to live. What a unnatural fabrication ! Black Americans have to get smarter. An old cliche is that "a people that won't treat you right will not teach you right." White people were hanging, rapping, lynching and burning blacks with one hand and give them Christianity on the other hand. They both must be no damn good. www.trafford.com/06-2972 21st Century Vision for black America
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Sunday, August 15th 2010 at 8:19PM
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Then, this LIE also excuses white people for the 400 years of the institution of slavery in America and all the bloodshed associated with it.
Sunday, August 15th 2010 at 8:47PM
jamal Abraham
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The White elite must be laughing their heart out how a people can still believe such a lie. This is base 1, ground zero ignorance.
Sunday, August 15th 2010 at 9:02PM
jamal Abraham
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As-Salaam Alaikum Bro. Jamal and Bro. Saint:
I agree with a lot of what you brothers have shared on this blog so far. As someone who studies both Bible and Quran, I never could understand how the idea of "Jesus dying for our sins" came about either.
In a speech by Minister Farrakhan he says, "If a man dies for your sins, and you are still sinning, how many times does he have to die for your sins?"
In both Bible and Quran it reads that Jesus died once (as far as I can recall).
Also, in Deuteronomy 24:16 (NIV), it reads:
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
Now if this verse states that every man shall die for his sins, then how is it that people can say Jesus died for our sins, so we (Black people) don't have to die for our sins? Did God change his mind? Does God ever change his mind?
Tuesday, August 17th 2010 at 6:17PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Sis. Siebra...Wa Alaikum Salaam....there is no need for an ALL WISE and ALL KNowing God to EVER change his mind.
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 1:37AM
jamal Abraham
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the paganChristian story is that man and earth had sinned and decayed SO much that the Creator had to PAY hush money to EVIL, the devil.
you dont have to study anything to realize that what was said, by the paganEuropean;
"Creator and Evil are equal------------"----AsStagFirullaah
paganEuropean had to justify self---so they made Other Adaams---'black ones, white ones, yellow ones,---colorWorship!!!!
to read a Fraud bibble, is SINFUL--
to use definitions of paganEnglish language for The Family of Adaam--is SINFUL
The only 2010 Scripture ANYONE can say, "Allaah, AlKhalq says"---is AlQur'aan
Sûrat Al-Mu’minûn (The Believers) XXIII
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Successful indeed are the Believers.
Sûrat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) II
213. The Family of Adaam is One community and Allâah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent down the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And ONLY those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allâah guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allâah guides whom He wills to the Straight Path
siebra, jamal, saint---do learn what Allaah says-----
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 8:28AM
robert powell
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Hello Robert,
The Sûrat Al-Mu’minûn (The Believers) XXIII is specifically referring to the newly Arabian converts from paganism to Al Islam. Al-Mu’minûn is not referring to anyone other than Arabian people. Al-Mu’minûn is not addressing Chinese, Japanese, Europeans or Black Americans since The Creator has or will raise up prophets from among these other races with a message from God specifically for them.
For example, God has risen me up from among Black Americans with a specific message of sovereignty for Black Americans. Likewise, God had risen up Prophet Mohammed with a specific message that the practice of paganism among the Arabian people must stop.
The Creator rose up Prophet Mohammed specifically for the Arabian people to resolve their problems of paganism and nothing else.
What I have just said is written in the Quran in the book of Jonah that God rose up prophets from among their own kinds. I have pointed out the book of Jonah and the verse that clearly says God sent prophets to all nations.
This is why it is so important that you understand and accept that prophets were and are racially different.
Consequentially, Prophet Mohammed is not meant for all nations. Prophet Mohammed was only meant for the Arabian people. It baffles me that with all your scholarship you fail to comprehend that point!
What say you?
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 8:53AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal and Jake,
As long as you all keep your head and eyes in the books and literatures of other people who are not of your race as your guidance you will always be on the crooked and wrong path, spiritually speaking.
Since you are Black Americans your own Bible book if you will, literatures and Prophet, could you be spiritually led, am I right. Have you ever seen a genuine prophet spiritually leading a people other than his own people? No, you have not! Jamal you must come out of the Quran. St. Jake you must leave that Black Hebrew Israelite stuff alone. Both of you must be who you are and nothing else. Both of you are Black Americans. Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of slavery that God has now come to deal with our affairs as the time had came when God dealt with the affairs of the children of Israel. The same scenario in concept I am conveying to you.
For instance, Prophet Moses was an Israelite and spiritually and physically led the children of Israel, am I right. Prophet Mohammed was an Arab and he physically and spiritually led the already be in people. Am I right again? Likewise, the time is going to come that Prophet Harry will physically and spiritually lead Black Americans into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to worship God, pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world.
Likewise, Moses was the way, and besides Moses, there were no other way that the children of Israel could ever become a real people in the ancient world, am I right.
Mr. Elijah Muhammad wanted for Black Americans what God has anointed me to do. God did not anoint Mr. Elijah Muhammad.
If I have said something that is wrong or does not make sense pointed out to me, otherwise follow what I said.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 9:11AM
Harry Watley
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harry,
you are what the paganChristian had to pay hush money too.-----nothing--
lets see that you can read and comprehend, a miracle, a book, a picture of you in a robe---something!
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 9:24AM
robert powell
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Hello Robert,
Put your criticism to the side and let me hear your scholarship.
I said that the Sûrat Al-Mu’minûn (The Believers) XXIII is specifically referring to the newly Arabian converts from paganism to Al Islam. That the Surat was not referring to any other people except the Arabian people!
Am I right or am I wrong?
What say you?
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 9:56AM
Harry Watley
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you are Always wrong,
you cannot read, why should I go on with you?
again, above
Sûrat Al-Mu’minûn (The Believers) XXIII
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Successful indeed are the Believers.
Sûrat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) II
213. The Family of Adaam is One community and Allâah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent down the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And ONLY those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allâah guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allâah guides whom He wills to the Straight Path
Wednesday, August 18th 2010 at 3:37PM
robert powell
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How long ago was the video shot, 1000 years ago?
what you believe is paganChristian 1492-1864 Language---get off of your Ignorant, Uncle Tom, jewCrowism thinking........
other people may think you are saint, I say you are saintLIAR----or saintUncleTom---or saintCrow------------
or just saintNO SCHOLARSHIP---
or just a fool in an office trying to aggitate Good American Muslims......
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 9:47AM
robert powell
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Harry, maybe it's time to quit reading/interpreting all those other irrelevant scriptures and give us that new one you keep talking about. At least a preview. Maybe just a baby bite? How about you start with Harry's scripture of the Creation?
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:33AM
Steve Williams
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Do you need some help Harry? For your book of Life for the ghettoBilly Negro? I know how to cut and paste real good.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:39AM
Steve Williams
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What....Steve....calling black Americans ghettoBilly Negroes. A white man calling names to our people. I guess Dr. Laura is not a good enough lesson. The Black caucus in this country is one of the strongest. Now what should we call the blue-eyed white devils....other than 'TRAILER TRASH"
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:27AM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, you know I was using Harry's own words against him. Don't get it twisted.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:59AM
Steve Williams
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I'd suggest you call out Harry on this oft repeated phrase of his.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 12:02PM
Steve Williams
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You know damn well where I stand, as a disbeliever in black/white division. Can you say the same?
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 12:06PM
Steve Williams
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saintNoMemory,
You the loco that started off with antiIslaamic blaaaaaaags.
and by the way: Brothers---and Sisters-----
"dumbarsed ' black' Americans ghettoBilly negroid devils; and blue-eyed 'white' devils....are in the paganChristian 'TRAILER TRASH" ----TOGETHER........
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 12:31PM
robert powell
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Robert, you do have a way with words brother!
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 12:38PM
Steve Williams
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Steve....you use the very same argument that Dr. laura used to call black Americans a bad name just because she has heard black rappers use such a name. BUT, SHE IS WHITE LIKE YOU. Harry is a black man and is speaking about his own people. I would not get on a white website and start calling white people names. So, I do not know what privaledge you have to think that you can call black Americans out of their name because you have heard another black man refer to black people. It is a lame excuse and you should keep your racial name calling to your own kind.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 7:18PM
jamal Abraham
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Take a poll and see if anyone besides you was offended. You are the one who's lame.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 9:18PM
Steve Williams
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David, Jamal is pissed because Cynthia and I have a thing. I called Harry out on his repetitive use of the words ghettoBilly Negro ad nauseum to the very people he claims to be bringing the religion of Life to. I wasn't even addressing Jamal, nor was I calling anyone that myself, nor do I feel justified saying it just because Harry does. I was referring to the way Harry talks down to people, that is all.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 9:54PM
Steve Williams
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As for the topic, Jamal is oblivious of his offense in constantly attacking Christianity.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:05PM
Steve Williams
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It turns out that Steve is a white failure that white people do not want. He comes on a black website like he has some insight and aligns with the weak and weak minded. One of his best allies is an OLD women, Irma. Black people have a tendency to pity a piece of a **** like steve but I am not the one. He can only fool a fool. A smart classy black person never takes in trailer trash. I see the blacks the white trailer trash attracts. Fat, sloppy, old wrethed blacks that cannot reason for themselves so needs a filty white piece of crap to reason for them. One thing for sure, I do not get none of my facts from the white devil. Whatever Harry is.....He is black. Dr. Laura thought she was above the fray...now she will be leaving the air......SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:25PM
jamal Abraham
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They say Jesus died for us. Why would God do the unprecedented of having a son....only to have him murdered by the devil. What a crock. The christianity crock allows a black person to hate his brother but love his enemy. Jesus said to love thy brother. But Christian brothers are the worst lovers of the black brotherhood. They are always siding with the devil which is why no one respects a black christian overseas. While in Egypt, they were amazed that blacks would believe in Christianity after all the Christians have done. I told them it is sickening, I must admit.
No, David...there are no guns...that is you and that Christian mentality.....come out of the gutter and deal with the blog.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:30PM
jamal Abraham
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I do have wisdom Jamal. I have been purified by Fire.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 10:36PM
Steve Williams
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But David, don't you see we need you?
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:08PM
Steve Williams
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What, David...the white devil scare you....whites do not scare Muslims because our religion did not begin with them. But Christianity is rooted with the European....but don't be so scared. Yuze free black now....they'ze freed us.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:10PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, you've never been on the streets have you? Never had a 357 magnum pressed between your eyes have you? I have. It gives you a different perspective.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:19PM
Steve Williams
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JAMAL GO BACK TO DOING YOU ,,IM GOING TO DO ME ! YOU DONT ARGUE WITH A FOOL ,FROM A DISTANCE YOU CANT TELL WHO IS WHO !
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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David, right. That's why we need you.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:45PM
Steve Williams
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Reminds me of the foolish Indians that traded and purchased guns from the white man instead of developing THEIR OWN WEAPONS. What the Indians did not realize that the White man manufactured the ammunition. So it does not make a differance what weapon a person has......WHO MADE IT AND WHO MAKES THE AMMO IS THE ISSUE. That is why there is a true and living God who's proper name is Allah. They did not murder HIM. They did not STRING HIM up on a wooden cross. They did not PUT Nails in HIS FOOT or HIS WRIST. HE is the LIVING GOD.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:50PM
jamal Abraham
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Scientist can detect what gases are on the planet Saturn without being there. With science, you do not have to be present to capture raw data. For example, we KNOW the atmosphere of the planet Saturn is composed of 88 percent Hydrogen; 11 percent Helium and the rest have traces of Methane ammonia, ammonia crystals, and such other gases as ethane, ethene (ethylene), and phosphine. Likewise, I can tell a lot about a person without being in your presence.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 11:58PM
jamal Abraham
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Sure Jamal, and we can see farther with a telescope than with the naked eye. But if the lens of the telescope is fogged up, it doesn't do us any good. In that case we might need to resort to semaphores.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 12:23AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Robert,
It seems hopeless for you. Your mind seems incapable of comprehending that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds. Common sense would tell you that Allah rose up Prophet Mohammed for his own kinds. Consequentially, Prophet Mohammed cannot guide any other people but his own Arabian people. You seem incapable of understanding that even though it is plainly written in the Quran.
I had always feared from a young boy locking myself into something that I could not get myself out of because I wouldn’t be able to see outside of that thing that I have locked myself into, am I making any sense?
You have locked your self into Islam and you cannot see outside of Islam. Now, if you were a genuine Arab it would not be as bad since Islam is an Arab religion. In other words, Islam could not blind and Arab but it can blind others that are not Arabian born!
Islam has blinded Mr. Elijah Muhammad, W. D. Muhammad, Mr. Farrakhan, Jamal, you and Siebra. Now, when it comes to Saint Jake Islam did not blind him. Saint Jake was able to see that he did not belong in Islam and left enough room to get out, mentally speaking. However, he got into something else, Black Hebrew Israelites, which is just as blinding as Islam was. I hope that he has left enough room to get out of that to finally get into what he is and his religion is which is the religion of LIFE.
Okay!
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 1:33AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve,
Steve, I mean no harm but you do not understand Black Americans since you are not a Black American. I am myself what I call my people that is why there is no harm done.
I remember when I was younger we used to call each other ***** and laugh about it. Sometimes inadvertently, we did this in the presence of a White boy. So, the White boy wanted to know why it was all right that we could call each other *****s but we would jump on him if he called any one of us a *****. Consequentially, the inherent in invisible lines of racial respect is always there and that is why so much flak was raised concerning Dr. Laura.
I have enough sense that I would not call a Mexican a wet back. Do you understand what I am saying Steve?
Race and respect for other races is very important. I can call my people ghettobilly Negroes, but you cannot if you will. I believe that is what Jamal is trying to point out to you.
Steve, when I call my own people ghettobilly Negroes I mean it, but I mean it differently than you would. Am I making any sense with you Steve?
Incidentally, you could see that Jamal is much more intelligent than Clark is, Cynthia is and Irma is. Since these knucklehead Blacks sides with you against their own kinds.
Steve, you still do not understand what Jamal is saying. We, Black Americans as a race of people has feelings the same as Whites have feelings. Therefore, what Jamal is talking about does not equate to semaphores. Semaphore is an entirely different application since it is physical, but you, Steve calling any Black American a ghettobilly Negro is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Be as smart as Dr. Laura was! She apologized for her insensitivity and stupidity. What I see you do when is trying to make stupid excuses. Do you understand what I am saying?
Steve, the bottom line is that we do not want you calling us, Black Americans any names whatsoever for any reason. We want you to respect our race, and us okay. Can we get that from you?
What say you?
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 1:47AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, sure I used the words. But tell me who I called the words, and I will apologize. You are the one who needs to apologize to the many you've offended on this site with your use of those words. You try to hide behind your flawed racial reasoning. But you can't hide from the members, they know how your mind works. You lost the debate on race remember?
BTW, I have been called n*gga as a term of friendship. And though I could have used the word with my friends, I did not. So don't lecture me fool!
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:21AM
Steve Williams
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again,
The subject here from little, is:
"the paganChristian story is that man and earth had sinned and decayed SO much that the Creator had to PAY hush money to EVIL, the devil."
valid wwweb subject....
this paganChristian thought has divided the Family of Adaam- worldwide
now the above; saintJoke, little, harry, apeGuy, argue with Steve about the "biology of his skin color"
little is just mad that Steve went out and purchased AlQur'aan and studies AlIslaam--and little, apeFriend harry---all think he is 'white'------
the only 'whiteMind' on this page is little, saintCartoon, harry, apeBoy----
steve realizes that skin cannot THINK, Mind is the THINKING Organ.....
all of you are colorWorshippers---
not jew, muslim or christian--not followers of The Creator of Adaam, Musa, Ibraheem, Isa or Mohamed---no Monotheistics, other than me on this Blog
colorWorship Started with the --jesus LIE.--in Europe--by the Roman latinos
IS THAT THE TRUTH or WHAT?
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:23AM
robert powell
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And because I need to make things explicitly clear to you, those friends I refer to were descendants of slaves, they were not white boys as you see today throwing the word around.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:31AM
Steve Williams
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Snatch your eyes out and you would not see color......Now who on BIA would want to do that. I see color, thank GOD. Color is an indicator of what kind of bird species. Color is an indicator of what kind of fruit or vegatable. Color is an indicator of what kind of living plant. Color is an indicator of what kind of human being. If the color is white and they have blue eyes....they are a human DEVIL.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:43AM
jamal Abraham
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Robert, once again, thanks for your instruction. But I am monotheistic also. I call myself Christian, a disciple, that is student, of Christ. And I don't believe the whole bible, nor trust the authorship, only take to heart the words that I find to be true. If Christ did die on the cross, it was as an example, to give truth to the words of truth he spoke.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:45AM
Steve Williams
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Jamal, I am not white, though I do have blue eyes. If you disagree, then please, as a scientist, explain the colors, white, black.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:56AM
Steve Williams
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And Jamal, you had best look to your fall from grace. Pride goeth before a fall, as the scripture says.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 9:58AM
Steve Williams
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Jamal, any religion can be abused, You are abusing your own religion.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 10:09AM
Steve Williams
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Back to the Blog....Jesus Christ died for our sins...critical thinkers no this is absurd but when a people are slaves...this can be made to appear truthful but nothing in nature...nothing in science supports such a crock of ****. Jesus was murdered by the authority of white people which are the facts.
Robert speaks of this ADAM lineage..... before Adam was the "us" that said LET US MAKE MAN. Those us were black people.....so my wisdom goes back before Adam.
The key is mans salvation which is tied to the living to save the living. That rules out JESUS CHRIST since he is dead and the thinking of this world knows that to be true.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 10:20AM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, okay, the blog. Who said Jesus Christ died for our sins? Was it Jesus himself?
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 10:37AM
Steve Williams
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1 Corinthians 15:3
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;"
I believe this statement is attributed to Paul.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 10:42AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You ask this question, “But tell me who I called the words, and I will apologize.”
You use the words ghettobilly Negroes referring to approximately 41 million Black Americans and it is offensive to me.
Perhaps Jamal is right when he said that you and Mr. Kigel are rejected from your own kinds and that is why you are with us, Black Americans. Black Americans are the rejected and despised of all people in White America.
However, while you all with us I would kindly ask you to respect us as a people and adhere to Jamal’s feelings as well as my own from referring to us with such names as ghettobilly Negroes in the future.
I am not going any further because I believe you are stubborn or you just do not respect Black Americans since you continue to make excuses while Dr. Laura gave an apology for the same identical thing, calling Black Americans out of our name. So, I am going to be intelligent and invite you to be intelligent as well and leave it at that, okay.
What I believe Steve that you neither see nor want to see is that Black Americans do not want outside influences our guidance. We, Black Americans somehow by God guidance through Prophet Harry influence and guide ourselves concerning everything including our education.
I am not prejudice against any race. I love all races. However, this is a time that Black Americans must mingle among ourselves as we journey towards our sovereignty on the portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Once Black Americans are civilized people then we can go out into the world as well as invite the world into our country for state dinners and foreign policies businesses.
Right now Black Americans are not a civilized people. Am I making any sense with you?
What say you?
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 11:14AM
Harry Watley
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Harry is 99.9% correct. Only I have no evidence of Richard ever calling black Americans out of their name or mettling in the progress of Black Americans toward unity or sovereignty. But, yes...Steve is a reject from his race, no doubt. Just like Dr. Laura....Steve should apologize to all the Black Americans on this site.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 11:29AM
jamal Abraham
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I believe the majority of the site members would disagree with what you two are saying about me. It is easy enough to confirm or not. Post a blog, or I will post a blog. Actually, I will post a blog. But please Jamal, leave the comments as they stand so the members can see the whole conversation. You only deleted one of my comments, which was of little consequence anyway. Do I have your assurance you will let this blog stand without any tampering with the foregoing conversation?
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 11:41AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, you can take all the polls you like....but, the deal remains...that you have done worse than Dr. Laura who fessed up to her guilt and wrong....but, apparently you think you are above black Americans and can say what you will......but not with me and not with Harry who caught you calling Black Americans out of their names and have called you to account. It proves you have NO RESPECT FOR BLACK AMERICANS.... So, why are you on this site...if just to intefere with Black Americans.
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 12:28PM
jamal Abraham
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Monotheism is the belief that only ONE deity exists.
Function: noun
Date: 1660
The word monotheism is derived from the Greek ìüíïò (monos) meaning "single" and èåüò (theos)meaning "god". The English term was first used by Henry More (1614–1687).
Ostensibly monotheistic religions may still include concepts of a plurality of the divine. For example, the Trinity in which God is one being in Three eternal persons (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). Most Christian churches teach Jesus to be two natures (divine and human), each possessing the full attributes of that nature, without mixture or intermingling of those attributes.
This view is not shared by all Christians, notably the Oriental Orthodox (miaphysite) churches.
2 Billion Muslims practice Monotheism,
not paganChristian TriTheism or black/white BiTheism....
Friday, August 20th 2010 at 1:22PM
robert powell
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Robert is correct
Wednesday, August 25th 2010 at 9:25PM
jamal Abraham
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