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Libya: what is a presidential 'finding'? (841 hits)


Barack Obama signed a secret order called a presidential 'finding', authorising covert US government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, according to reports.

6:30AM BST 31 Mar 2011

Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorise secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The White House press secretary declined to comment.

People familiar with US intelligence procedures said that Presidential covert action "findings" are normally crafted to provide broad authorisation for a range of potential US government actions to support a particular covert objective.

In order for specific operations to be carried out under the provisions of such a broad authorisation – for example the delivery of cash or weapons to anti-Gaddafi forces – the White House also would have to give additional "permission" allowing such activities to proceed.

Former officials say these follow-up authorisations are known in the intelligence world as "'Mother may I' findings."

In 2009 Mr Obama gave a similar authorisation for the expansion of covert US counter-terrorism actions by the CIA in Yemen. The White House does not normally confirm such orders have been issued.

Because US and allied intelligence agencies still have many questions about the identities and leadership of anti-Gaddafi forces, any covert US activities are likely to proceed cautiously until more information about the rebels can be collected and analysed, officials said.

According to an article speculating on possible US covert actions in Libya published early in March on the website of the Voice of America, the US government's broadcasting service, a covert action is "any US government effort to change the economic, military, or political situation overseas in a hidden way."

The article, by VOA intelligence correspondent Gary Thomas, said covert action "can encompass many things, including propaganda, covert funding, electoral manipulation, arming and training insurgents, and even encouraging a coup."

Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activities in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the US and Saudis to mujahideen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants.

There are fears that the same thing could happen in Libya unless the US is sure who it is dealing with. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, said on Wednesday he opposed supplying arms to the Libyan rebels fighting Gaddafi "at this time."

"We need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them," Mr Rogers said in a statement.

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Thursday, March 31st 2011 at 11:09PM
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Interesting. We don't seem to know much about the rebels, but what the hell, we'll back them anyway.
Thursday, March 31st 2011 at 11:11PM
Steve Williams
I wonder sometimes, with the growing power of the Presidency, if an American dictatorship is in our future. Perhaps not just yet, but the groundwork is being laid.
Friday, April 1st 2011 at 12:43AM
Steve Williams
And is interesting Irma, that both our posts brought up this idea of dictatorship while writing at the same time.
Friday, April 1st 2011 at 12:50AM
Steve Williams
That is some very disturbing information Clark, thanks for the links. The President is commander-in-chief, does have the power of veto, but also needs to follow the duly constituted laws of this nation. And Congress should have put it's foot down long before this, but they need to act ASAP, and this is surely a more serious offense than s*x games with a cigar.
Sunday, April 3rd 2011 at 1:58PM
Steve Williams
Or maybe more correctly a potential offense, since the 90 days haven't yet elapsed?
Sunday, April 3rd 2011 at 2:01PM
Steve Williams
Three wars, and like Jake said, we are in self-destruct mode.
Monday, April 4th 2011 at 7:08AM
Steve Williams
@Steve Jake...it seem the only or well the main problem with the U.S. is (no disrespect)it is a Christian Nation which cause us to either back the loosing side , my God is White so it is going to be my way or presucution-death...and it is up to you to pick your choice of these two!!!!!

Actually, I believe your blog it the perfect place fo r me to put ow and why our nation as a whole will never be able to rise above : hate 'fear, rejection for independant thought...example, I have been hearing the nation builders and their arguments for being correct and they all seem to have slavery (not chatel slavery inmind)

"I" have never on tis site seen anyone talk about being put into slavery (at first) was like any forms of slavery i nrecorded history....

but America had to be different (I guess) so all of a sudden the Africans were not human and therefore the only way for us to be able to become human, as in having souls,ect. required to become fit to get into heaven was to reinvent a new form of slaves of teh nonhuman kind....now this is only the beginning, because if someone like the Bishop Jakes ever start talking about any Africans woh were not put into slavery will go to heaven then...BY, BY MEGA-CHURCH, PRIVATE JET and so on and so forth....

oh now back to secets of presidents...did you pay any attention to my blog on ow this administration is unlike the last one in hiding the convictions of innocents being murdered in Iraq desquised as Contractors and having being made to do tis onorders of Cheney and is orders to the CIA and who as I said are called contracyors...now what was the title of the last civilian to get charged w ithe the killing of a civilian in teh middle-east...

both of you have you heard of the trials of these 'C' for smuggling guns as in deadly weapons to the 'terrorist' in iraq....no, well what a difference in the SECRETS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THIS ADMINOSTRATION, H-U-H????? (SMILE)

OH AND IF YOU CARE TO LOOK THIS UP HALIBURTON HAS NOT CHANGED THEIR NAME...BUT BLACK WATER DID RIGHT AFTER THE GOVERNMENT STARTED PUTTING THEM ON TRIAL....(SMILE)...OH , because our president of today is much easieer to learn what he is doing because unlike Bush he is not using exective powers which would make him as clost to a dictator as we can ever have under our laws of teh land. ..

EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...I TMAKES ME FEEL SO GOOD EACH TIME I HEAR THINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE BUSH AND CHENEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE STEP CLOSER TO THEIR OWN TRIAL JUST AS MOST IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THOSE INTERESTED IN WHAT IS THE REAL WORLD AND THEMADE UP WORLD IN POLITICS...LIVE FOR....THE TRUTH TO COME OUT OF THE DARK INTO THE LIGHT. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND, "I" am th elast one who is going to even worry about not going to heaven...there is no way I will spend my life telling the 'man',I am worthy, while telling myown self , "I am not worthy"...makes no every day common sense to me.lol (smile)

Anything taht does not make common every day sense to me, I can not use it in my daily life...NDB (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Jake, have you ever heard the experssion, "WATCH YOUR FRIENDS, BECAUSE YOU NEVER ALLOW YOUR ENEMY TO GET CLOSE ENOUGHT TO YOU TO DO ANY HARM"?...

mY practice has a belief that we can only be distroyed from within...well this is my belief about our great , and yes I do mean our great, country can only be distroyed from within. (smile)

Plus I will stick with what I have said all along...the next major war will be fought with computers. And, by hackers.

MAN V MACINES...STRAIGHT FROM YOUR 3 D MOVIE INTO OUR 3 DEMENTIONAL LIVES...SURVIVAL OF THE F-I-T-T-E-S-T...( FROM THE BEGINNING OF MANKIND TO THE VERY BITTERLY FOUGHT END ACCORDING TO EGO RULES AND REGULATIONS). (NUP / SMILE)

NOTICE I NEVER SAY TH E END OF THE EARTH, because it has been proven, but not how, dinasores were the dominate creaters on earth and they some how came to a total end / mutation of survival of the , W-H-A-T? But, not all are like me and believe in evolution now do they? lol (smile)

nice opened ended post my brother Steve...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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