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Hello Jake,
I have no problem about a Hebrew Kingdom of Judah found in West Africa. What you need to do is connect Black Americans who are descendents of plantation slaves.
Show through a time sequence going backward through history starting with Black Americans as we are now back all the way to West Africa and then make a connection to the Bible Hebrew people.
All that you did was to show that a Hebrew Kingdom of Judah existed in West Africa. So what!
I know that Black Americans are a new race of people and you say we are not. But anyway our discussion helped Mr. James Sanford to reason rationally and he right away saw that I was right because there are no records of Black Americans living anywhere but here in White America’s custody for the pass 500 years.
So, make the connection that my Black American people lived at one time in West Africa as Bible Hebrew people, dummy.
Tuesday, October 16th 2012 at 5:46PM
Harry Watley
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Very interesting Jake. What is the history of the Judeans from the time of their settlement in Africa until the beginning of the slave trade? Did they maintain their identity throughout that time?
Wednesday, October 17th 2012 at 2:55PM
Steve Williams
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Well I means customs and beliefs. I apologize if you have already provided the answer elsewhere and I missed it.
Wednesday, October 17th 2012 at 3:01PM
Steve Williams
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Slave Rebellion in Brazil: The Muslim Uprising of 1835 in Bahia. By João José Reis. Trans. Arthur Brakel. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1993. xv, 281 pp.
João José Reis’s invigorating Slave Rebellion in Brazil: The Muslim Uprising of 1835 in Bahia provides a complex picture of the interplay between Islam and ethnicity in the 1835 African Muslim uprising in Bahia. He examines the quills of police and court scribes obtained from the prosecution records of the arrested African rebels (xiii), revealing a well-planned urban slave rebellion that evolved from unstable sociopolitical and economic conditions in Bahia. Reis argues that this context of instability contributed to the development of the uprising and demonstrates that religion and ethnicity played crucial roles.
Reis begins his analysis by contextualizing the social, political, and economic conditions of Bahia at the time of the uprising. The author describes Bahia as a slave society, comprised of a majority Black population that included both Black slaves and freedmen, characterized by stark economic disparities, which were amplified after Brazil obtained its independence from Portugal in 1822. After independence, Bahia experienced economic decline, periods of drought, unemployment, and price inflation on basic goods. The economic and political instability in Bahia ignited a series of military revolts, anti-Portuguese disturbances, street riots, liberal and federalist revolts, and slave uprisings. The 1835 African Muslim rebellion evolved from this long trajectory of revolts and uprisings.
Reis illustrates the important role Islam and ethnicity played in the success of the 1835 uprising. For instance, the rebellion was planned around an important Muslim holiday, and the rebel participants dressed in Muslim clothing and wore amulets (120). Despite its religious overtones, the rebellion, Reis asserts, was not jihad or a classic holy war, as other contemporary scholars have suggested, since the African Muslims knew that they needed non-Muslim participants in order to succeed. Because organizers sought to create a unified, ethnic, pan- African rebellion, they encouraged the participation of non-Muslim Africans by propagating the notion that the rebellion was an uprising for “Africans” (120-23).
Unfortunately, this attempt at ethnic solidarity never truly materialized in Bahia. The majority of the rebellion participants were comprised of two ethnic groups: the Nagô and the Hausa. Although the Jeje and Congo ethnic groups did participate, their numerical significance in the uprising was minor. In fact, the Nagô presence was so predominant that the uprising was often conceptualized as a Nagô revolt (140-48).
Reis opposes the notion that the rebellion was solely shaped around Nagô ethnicity, asserting that Islam and ethnicity were both interdependent factors. For example, the majority of the Nagô and Hausa rebel participants were Muslim, and this religious communality helped two culturally divergent ethnic groups collaborate on the uprising (148). Consequently, the event was a complex interplay between religion and ethnicity, where religion helped unite diverse African ethnic groups, and shared ethnicity helped unite Africans of diverse religious backgrounds.
In sum, Reis’s provocative book demonstrates the ways in which African slaves and freedmen chose to maintain certain aspects of their identities in hopes of finding effective strategies to challenge or cope with oppressive conditions. Furthermore, his book illustrates how a unique history of rebellion, religion, and ethnicity all contributed to the formation of one of the most effective slave rebellions in the Americas.
Caralee Jones
Indiana University, Bloomington Black Diaspora Review 2(1) Fall 2010 37
Wednesday, October 17th 2012 at 4:19PM
Steve Williams
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Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas
by Sylviane A. Diouf
New York: New York University Press, 1998. 254 pp. $55 (paper $18.50)
Reviewed by Daniel Pipes
Middle East Quarterly
December 2000
http://www.danielpipes.org/868/servants-of...
Wednesday, October 17th 2012 at 4:43PM
Steve Williams
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African Muslim Slaves in the Americas: An Understudied Presence
For three hundred and fifty years, Muslim men, women, and children, victims of the general insecurity that the Atlantic slave trade and the politico-religious conflicts in West Africa fostered, were sold in the New World. They were among the very first Africans to be shipped, and among the very last. When they reached the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, after a horrific journey, they introduced a second monotheistic religion (after the arrival of Catholicism and before Protestantism) into post-Columbian America. Islam was also the first revealed religion freely followed – as opposed to imposed Christianity – by the Africans who were transported to the New World. …
Literate, urban, and in some cases well traveled, the Muslims realized incomparable feats in the countries of their enslavement. They came as Muslims and they lived as Muslims. The preservation of their faith and the maintenance of their lifestyle in a hostile Christian environment were in themselves no small accomplishments. Yet many historians and writers have not acknowledged their presence, much less their success at upholding their religion. The most widely held opinion among writers on slavery and on Islamic issues in the Americas is that “what Muslim faith they brought with them was quickly absorbed in their new Christian milieu and disappeared.”[1] A few scholars in the United States have recently recognized some famous Muslims and published their stories, but these figures have remained individuals, not part or representatives of a wider community, whose presence and achievements remain unknown. …
With remarkable determination they maintained an intellectual life in mentally sterile surroundings. … In freedom as in enslavement, Islam was the hope of the Muslims, their strength and their comfort. … Notwithstanding the limits imposed on them by their subordinate status, many succeeded in following, to the letter, the principles of Islam. … At the same time, paradoxically, Islam was the engine of upward mobility within the structure of slavery. …
African Muslims arrived in the Americas with a tradition of Arabic literacy that they struggled to preserve. After years of study in Koranic schools and centers of higher learning, they refused to let enslavement turn them into mere beasts of burden. They kept on reading the Koran and writing in Arabic, and they even established schools. Their literacy not only set them apart from most slaves and many slaveholders but became the basis of their disproportionate influence in slave communities and, in some instances, their key to freedom. …
Well organized and a galvanizing force, Islam in America was the catalyst of revolt and insubordination. It played a major part in the most elaborate slave uprisings and was the motivating force that sent freed men and women back to Africa. … Because Islam as brought by the Africans did not outlive the last slaves, one might think that the Muslims failed, that their story in the Americas speaks of defeat and ultimate subjugation. Through examining their history, their stories, and their legacy, however, this book reveals that what they wrote on the sand of the plantations is a successful story of strength, resilience, courage, pride, and dignity. …
Turbaned men and veiled women, their prayer beads around their necks, chopped cotton, cut cane, and rolled tobacco from sunup to sundown. Like other slaves, they were beaten, whipped, cursed, raped, maimed, and humiliated. They saw their families torn apart and their loved ones killed. In the midst of abuse and contempt, they continued to pray, fast, be charitable, read, write on the sand, help one another, sing their lonesome tunes, and display pride in themselves, their religion, and their culture.
The African Muslims may have been, in the Americas, the slaves of Christian masters, but their minds were free. They were the servants of Allah.
Excerpted (with permission) from Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas by Sylviane A. Diouf, Ph.D., New York University Press, 1998.
[1] Caesar Farah, Islam (Hauppauge, N.Y.: Barron’s, 1994), 307.
http://www.whyislam.org/muslim-world/afric...
Wednesday, October 17th 2012 at 5:02PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Jake,
All I am doing is asking you to connect Black Americans to the Hebrew Kingdom of Judah in West Africa. You are not doing that! What you are doing is telling me a bunch of things about the Biblical Hebrew of which I agree with. However, I want you to show that Black Americans are the Biblical Hebrew people.
Why are Black Americans today not in West Africa? And, are the people in the State of Israel today not the true Biblical Hebrew people?
Prove that these things are false!
Summarize it and tie it all together in your own words and sell it to me like a good lawyer would sell the innocent of his client to a jury, stupid!
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 12:08AM
Harry Watley
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saintJake
Steve, you are biaResearcher or Scholar in Charge!
saintJake, ----you and i both know what Language your englishTranslated map and story came from ---- Arabic
cause, Muslims in North and West African were in control -----
that is why the europeans went over the sea..........
but one should understand also that these Muslims in North and West African had been visiting and trading with the land we call America, for 500 + years BEFORE --- Columbus
sweetIrma and harry if you are Looking for euroCentric, 'black'History ----
i do not believe there is any, ONLY History.....
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 9:40AM
powell robert
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Irma,
It is never a good thing to steal the Biblical Hebrew people identity and say Black Americans are the Biblical Hebrew people.
Whom ever Jake say the people taken from West Africa and brought to this country their DNA changed when White Americans bred themselves with their salves over a period of 300 years and a new race of people emerges that are Black Americans today.
Black Americans did not come from Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve was a Jewish couple. The last record descendent of Adam and Eve was Jesus and Jesus was not a Black American and a descendent of slave.
So, it is never a good thing to steal the Jewish people’s identity and say Black Americans are Jewish people.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 10:15AM
Harry Watley
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Jake, I agree "Africa as a land-mass is a multi-nationality continent going back thousands of years." And as Robert says there is "ONLY History.....". I find it ALL fascinating, and there is even more than Hebrew and Muslim.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 3:39PM
Steve Williams
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Stupid Steve,
The topic is not about the multi-culture of Africa. Jake is saying that Black Americans are Israelite people, stupid!
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 4:32PM
Harry Watley
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Do you now want me to explain that Harry, with all the proofs? And I could've sworn I quoted him right.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 7:50PM
Steve Williams
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Or are you going to disprove Harry, that at least some Americans have Judean or Muslim African descent?
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 8:03PM
Steve Williams
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I would guess that your descent is Baptist. What say you Harry, the truth now.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 8:07PM
Steve Williams
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Answer Harry, were you raised Baptist?
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 8:51PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Harry,
I believe you've answered the question.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 10:04PM
Steve Williams
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@Steve,
Good!
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 10:08PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jake,
I am doing what I am doing trying to make you all better people and be up-right and honest. I can’t get you all to be right by treating with decent respect. So, trashing you all may have a good chance of getting you to be honest and up-right.
Thursday, October 18th 2012 at 10:12PM
Harry Watley
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bottom line,
HISTORY
was the HISTORY of West Africa and any MAP-----RECORDED for prosperity with the English Language, the Hebrew Language, the Arabic Language or some Animist Language.......?
i say, based on HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE of 2012; that West Africa, North Africa, East African History, Scholarship and Science was written in the Arabic Language.........
and based on HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE of 2012, that all DNA of EVERY human being in the World shows the SAME DNA of the Father and Mother of Mankind, Adaam and Hawwah(eve)
thats as honest and upRight as HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE of 2012 can BE..........
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 8:52AM
powell robert
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From Babylon to Timbuktu
“In the year 65 BC the Roman armies under General Pompey captured Jerusalem. In 70 AD, General Vespasian and his son Titus put an end to the Jewish state, with a great slaughter...many outrages and atrocities were committed against the residue of the people. During the period from Pompey to Julius, it has been estimated that over 1,000,000 Jews fled into Africa, fleeing from Roman persecution and slavery. The slave markets were full of black Jewish slaves.” (p. 84)
http://frombabylontotimbuktu.blogspot.com
Thanks for the reference Jake. I do much prefer Judean to Jewish however (even though my spellchecker doesn't recognize the word Judean, interesting).
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 9:58AM
Steve Williams
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again good research, saintJake and Steve
we read something OVER and OVER the SAME thing and we do not UNDERSTAND it........
of course the slaveMarkets were full of 'hebrew'
The Creator of Adaam(as) did not create any "colored people"----HE created the Family of Adaam(as)
The Creator of Adaam(as) DID create Atmosphere, Earth, Mountains, Laws of Science, and Atmosphere, Earth, Mountains, Laws of Science MADE physical aspects of the Family of Adaam(as)
-- The Monotheistic Law Transmitted by the CREATOR, to Musa(as) was REJECTED on Free Will by some in the plains below the mountain........
--------the Reaction by MANY of the Hebrew Monotheistic Witnesses to Musa(as)
-----was to become pagan Idolatrous GOLD cowWorshippers
.....and the result was the Disbanning, deClanning, deTribing-- of the 'hebrew' people into maybe 12 'hebrew' TRIBES,
some Monotheistic followers of the Creator of Adaam(as)
some Idolatrous, animist(cowy?) and Pagan
----SOME went here, there, Everywhere
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many stayed in Palestine, Arabia and Evolved into Monotheistic believers of Creator of Adaam(as) to
follow the Words of the Creator, in AlQur'aan and the Example of the Last Prophet of Monotheism, Mohamed(saw)
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 10:29AM
powell robert
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There is no such thing as Black Jewish slaves as in Black Americans who are a new race of people.
In other words, Black or dark skin Jewish are different people from Black Americans. General Pompey did chase Black Americans into West Africans and that is my point.
Black Jews and Black Americans are entirely two different people.
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 10:32AM
Harry Watley
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again, harry READ something, sometime
The Creator of Adaam(as) did not create any "colored people"----HE created the Family of Adaam(as)
The Creator of Adaam(as) DID create Atmosphere, Earth, Mountains, Laws of Science, and Atmosphere, Earth, Mountains, Laws of Science MADE physical aspects of the Family of Adaam(as)
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 10:44AM
powell robert
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I love the dialog because it inspires me to READ and learn about all sorts of thing I would not have otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_the_B...
Jews of the Bilad al-Sudan (אַהַל יַהוּדּ בִּלַדּ אַל סוּדָּן, Judeo-Arabic) describes West African Jewish communities who were connected to known Jewish communities from the Middle East, North Africa, or Spain and Portugal. Various historical records attest to their presence at one time in the Ghana, Mali, and Songhai empires, then called the Bilad as-Sudan from the Arabic meaning Land of the Blacks. Jews from Spain, Portugal, and Morocco in later years also formed communities off the coast of Senegal and on the Islands of Cape Verde. After the rise of Islam in North and West Africa these communities ceased to exist and have since disappeared due to the trans-atlantic slave trade, migration and assimilation.
Friday, October 19th 2012 at 11:39AM
Steve Williams
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saintJake and steve
--- master Researchers(we could be working on a bestSeller here)
if i may?
i can stay on SUBJECT of who is slave, or Family here; but i want to explore a question first?
i have concluded, based on History, Scholarship and Science 2012
------ that all DNA of ANY man/woman 2012 -- from ARTIC to ANTARTIC -- is the SAME
......MINUS physical appearance EVOLUTION, from CREATED Atmosphere, Climate, high/low, ocean/desert--of THOUSANDS of years
my thoughts are Not about division in the Family of Adaam(as)
-i look for the Unity/Peace/ONENESS of life the Creator gave to the Family of Adaam(as)
i have in the past, on BIA, written that Monotheism is also an EVOLUTION of THOUSANDS of years....
and i have----- based on EVERYONES History, Scholarship and Science written that a KEY Recorded episode of Monotheistic Thought WAS the Experience of Musa(as)---the LAW giver......
as he arrived down the MOUNTAIN----WITH the LAWS for the Family of Adaam(as)
----he SAW---- 'jew'--'hebrew'---'pharonic'--- and Monotheistic, Believers in the paganWORSHIP of an Idol cow of GOLD-----even from his 'hebrew' BROTHER----Haroun(as)
how bizarre! --- i conclude----- how WEAK a group of People --- MAYBE the WEAKEST people of ALL TIME.....
--- All these men/women had seen the Law Givers, Creator--ILLAAH ---DESTROY pharoah EXTRAORDINARILY...........
so from that paganIdol moment on Musa(as) knew that the oneGROUP would ----become 12 GROUPS/tribes/clans/pagans/idolists or Monotheists
AM I CORRECT?
Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 9:02AM
powell robert
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Hello,
The question is whether Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are Biblical Israelite people.
The Jews that lived in Germany were called German Jews because they lived in Germany, stupid. But, that doesn’t mean that they are a different descendent of the Biblical Israelite people.
Black Americans that lives in Frances today are still the Black Americans who are descendent of plantation slaves of White America.
Likewise, if a Pitbull lived in Germany does the Pitbull sudden loss its spices and become a German shepherd dog? You all are stupid.
Why Black Americans are not Biblical Israelite people is because Black Americans experiences plantation slavery here in White America and the Biblical Israelites didn’t. Again, you all are stupid.
Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 10:54AM
Harry Watley
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okHarry
and Americans born in USA, of european, african, asian, oceanic ancestry are USA CITIZENS
AMERICANS......
but lets get back to the hebrew, jew, africa SUBJECT of the Blog
Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 12:50PM
powell robert
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Robert,
I want to know from you why you kiss the ass of Prophet Mohammed and the Arabian and you are not an Arab man.
I understand why an Arab man would kiss the ass of Prophet Mohammed and the Arabian people because the person is Arab himself.
But, I don’t understand why you would do the same as an Arab man unless you are extremely stupid.
I am a Black American and my religion is LIFE and LIFE is Black America’s authentic religion. Why isn’t your religion LIFE since you are a Black American?
Shed some light on that for me, please.
Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 1:18PM
Harry Watley
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Mohamed(saw) died about 1460+ years ago.......As the Seal of Monotheistic ProphetHood and Guidance from the Creator of Adaam(as) for the Family of Adaam(as)
based on History, Scholarship and Science 2012
ALL DNA of ANY man/woman 2012 -- from ARTIC to ANTARTIC -- is the SAME
the Family of Adaam(as)
and i do believe that you are a 'darkBlack' man...............with NO light.........
Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 10:40PM
powell robert
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Stupid Robert,
I do not deny that Prophet Mohammed was the seal of monotheism and prophet-hood. But, what I see that you have never seen is that since Mohammed was an Arab he could only be the seal of the prophet only for the Arabian people.
Prophet Mohammed did not speak my language so he couldn’t have come to me, idiot. Prophet Mohammed spoke Arabic and the Arabian people spoke Arabic so any fool would see that Prophet Mohammed came to the Arabian people only. In addition, we have good reasons to believe the Arabian people when they said that Prophet was the seal of the prophet for them because they have not had a prophet since Mustafa Mohammed, am I right.
You have been misled to have believed that Mohammed was your prophet. I am your genuine prophet. I am Saint Jakes prophet. I am Siebra’s prophet. We are the same race or ethnicity, am I right.
Likewise, Moses spoke the same language that the Children of Israel spoke. Therefore, the average fool can see that Moses came to the Children of Israel only.
Now, we have two different prophets speaking two different languages, but they are speaking the same language as their people are speaking and that would tell any idiot that prophets are matched to the race of their own people and therefore Prophet Mohammed could only have been the seal of the prophet for the Arabian people and not for the whole world as you have been believing all your life.
Now, why is it that you can not make the adjustment to leave Islam and Prophet Mohammed for your own religion LIFE and your own prophet, Prophet Harry?
Just as you believe that Prophet Mohammed had guidance from God your Prophet Harry also has guidance from the same God and so did Moses. So, you don’t have a valid point to follow Mohammed.
Now, if the family of Adam as you say is all the same then archeology would not be a science and police could not make positive identification of criminals, am I right.
You know that I am telling you the truth!
Sunday, October 21st 2012 at 5:52AM
Harry Watley
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AGAIN, harry, SUBJECT is "FOUND - HEBREW KINGDOM OF JUDAH IN WEST AFRICA !!!!!!!! MAPS"
i contend that their are NO, 'black'Hebrew, 'black'Jew, 'blackWestAfrican, 'black'Christian, 'black'African, 'black'American and even as biaKing writes, no 'black'Pygmy in the History of Monotheistic Thought of the Creator of Adaam(as)
EVERY History, acknowledges that the hebrew people lived in pharoahLand for at least 500 YEARS
EVERY History, acknowledges that the Great Prophets Yusuf, Musa and Isa(asm) All lived, ruled and governed in pharoahLand-----
EVERY Historical Archeologist or Tourist can see the RECORDED pictures and statues of pharoahLand---for this tourist they looked like any nigerian, bantu or hindu, or american of slaveAncestry------they NEVER distinguished themselves by colorWorship, idolWorship YES, but NOT the paganEuropean genesis of colorWorship and Division.....
so to Harry no, i for the 22,156,555th time READ no Truth from harryWatley about the Creator of Adaam(as)
I am not a 'black'Christian or 'black'American
harry the following writing is RECORDED words of 1640+ years ago and as a Believer in the Creator of Adaam(as) --- these words guide my Understanding---and your writings seem to Me, to be from yourMind only -- as Americans we can read and write anything---so i read yourWritings, and CONCLUDE they are only the writings of a selfProfessed 68 IQ paganChristian thinker.....
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Sûrat Al‘Ankabût
(The Spider) XXIV
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Alif-Lâm-Mîm.
46. Do not debate with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in a way that is better for Mankind, except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilâah (God) and your Ilâah is Allâah, and to Him we have submitted as Believers."
47. We have sent down AlQur’aan to you Ahmed, and those who We gave the Scripture, AtTaurât and AlInjeel, believe as also do some of those, and none but the disbelievers reject Our Ayât (proofs, signs, verses, lessons) and deny Our Oneness of Lordship and Our Oneness of worship and Our Oneness of Our Names and Qualities-Monotheism].
49. No, but they, the clear Ayât and the description and the qualities of Prophet Mohamed are written in AtTaurât and AlInjeel are preserved in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge among the people of the Scriptures. None but AzZâlimûn (polytheists, pagans and wrongdoers) deny Our Ayât (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations).
Sunday, October 21st 2012 at 9:35AM
powell robert
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Robert in response to Saturday, October 20th 2012 at 9:02AM (I am catching up on the thread).
You are not only correct, but I must say I found this to be one of your most eloquent passages ever.
Monday, October 22nd 2012 at 2:41PM
Steve Williams
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And if I may turn political for a moment, your REMINDER of that story, and its LESSON, has given me a clear understanding of your PRIDE in President Obama.
Monday, October 22nd 2012 at 2:57PM
Steve Williams
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Sorry to break into the conversation, but here Jake is correct as it is good and bad at the same time to begin a nother person's history where one wants to begin it to suit their point of view. (nup/ smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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