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Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence, Obama Feels Helpless

 

Since September 11, 2001, less than 100 Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks on United States soil, reported CBS News. However, gun violence has killed tens of thousands of Americans. President Obama remains feeling helpless on gun control.

Obama told the BBC that he felt “the most stymied” on gun control and that he was “frustrated” that America doesn’t have “commonsense gun safety laws, even in the face of repeated mass killings.” Interestingly, the gun control issue somewhat overlaps with America’s domestic terrorism issue because most domestic terrorist attacks are committed by “lone wolf,” right-wing extremist Americans.

CBS News noted that Obama’s statements were coincidentally recorded hours before the shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana that killed two people and injured nine others.

Much of Obama’s frustration is understandable because the National Rifle Association (NRA) gun lobby is rich and powerful. Any time the gun control debate heats up, the NRA increases its efforts and spends millions of dollars to block any sensible new gun laws.

Update: It was recently discovered that the Lafayette shooter, John Russel Houser, praised Adolf Hitler, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and the Westboro Baptist Church. Houser fits the profile of a right-wing domestic terrorist. He also had a history of violence and mental instability. Yet, Houser was still able to obtain a gun.

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The reason the NRA is successful is because they are able to mobilize their base. I don't even have guns but I still contribute to the cause.
Saturday, July 25th 2015 at 9:53PM
Steve Williams
All we need is more good guy's with gun's. Sandy Hook would not have happen.


Saturday, July 25th 2015 at 10:07PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
The increased incidence of these events can be correlated with the advance of social media. I have no idea what can be done about that.
Saturday, July 25th 2015 at 10:31PM
Steve Williams

Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence

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yet the selfProfessed BIA 'whiteMan' steveAdam writes.......

"NRA is successful....to mobilize their base.....I don't even have guns but I still contribute to the cause."
Saturday, July 25th 2015 at 9:53PM
Steve Williams

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selfProfessed Racists, their Racists media, social media and history have frozen and enslaved American minds to the OFF SUBJECT issues vs TRUTH




Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 12:26PM
robert powell
Bob, I'm still waiting to hear something from you, not inane.
Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 3:07PM
Steve Williams
@ Steve,

Why are you not a gun owner?


Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 8:09PM
Jeni Fa
Jen, I used to do a lot of hunting and shooting, but I don't hunt anymore and only occasionally go target shooting. I used to have guns to protect my family but my children are grown now, they can protect themselves. I gave away most of my guns. I still have a couple, but not with me. There are times here in this house by myself in the country I tell myself I'm foolish not to have one but I haven't done anything about it. But I'll always be a believer in and supporter of the 2nd amendment, regardless of my own choice to exercise that right or not.
Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 10:37PM
Steve Williams
What part of the 2nd amendment do you support Brother Steve?


Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 11:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

A well regulated militia. I spite of public confusion about what that means, it's really quite simple. A well regulated militia is what won the United States freedom from the tyranny of the British.

Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 11:22PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I have heard this point taken from time to time from the tyranny of the British. Now that Untied States is now free and have been for a few hundred years now, what is the point to bring is point up as support for the 2nd amendment?




Monday, July 27th 2015 at 6:28AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

The United States was free in 1789 also. The framers of the government acted to guarantee and preserve our freedom. The reason we needed the Bill of Rights in 1789 is the same reason we need them today.

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. Proposed to assuage the fears of Anti-Federalistswho had opposed Constitutional ratification, these amendments guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. Originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, however, most were subsequently applied to the government of each state by way of the Fourteenth Amendment, through a process known as incorporation.

On June 8, 1789 Representative James Madison introduced a series of thirty-nine amendments to the constitution in the House of Representatives. Among his recommendations Madison proposed opening up the Constitution and inserting specific rights limiting the power of Congress in Article One, Section 9. Seven of these limitations would become part of the ten ratified Bill of Rights amendments. Ultimately, on September 25, 1789, Congressapproved twelve articles of amendment to the Constitution and submitted them to the states for ratification. Contrary to Madison's original proposal that the articles be incorporated into the main body of the Constitution, they were proposed as "supplemental" additions to it. On December 15, 1791, Articles Three–Twelve, having been ratified by the required number of states, became Amendments One–Ten of the Constitution.

On May 7, 1992, after an unprecedented period of 202 years, 225 days, Article Two crossed the Constitutional threshold for ratification and became the Twenty-seventh Amendment. As a result, Article Onealone remains unratified and still pending before the states.

The Bill of Rights enumerates freedoms not explicitly indicated in the main body of the Constitution, such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a free press, and free assembly; the right to keep and bear arms; freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, security in personal effects, and freedom from warrants issued without probable cause; indictment by a grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime"; guarantee of a speedy, public trial with an impartial jury; and prohibition of double jeopardy. In addition, the Bill of Rights reserves for the people any rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the federal government to the people or the States. The Bill was influenced by George Mason's 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights, the English Bill of Rights 1689, and earlier English political documents such as Magna Carta (1215).

Monday, July 27th 2015 at 7:15AM
Steve Williams
Operation Choke Point is an initiative of the United States Department of Justice that was announced in 2013,[1]which is investigating banks in the United States and the business they do with payment processors, payday lenders, and other companies believed to be at higher risk for fraud and money laundering.

This operation, disclosed in August 2013 Wall Street Journal story [2] has been accused of bypassing due process.; the government is pressuring the financial industry to cut off the companies' access to banking services, without first having shown that the targeted companies are violating the law.[3][4][5][6] As reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, critics believe "it's a thinly veiled ideological attack on industries the Obama administration doesn't like, such as gun sellers and coal producers."[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_...

Monday, July 27th 2015 at 7:36AM
Steve Williams
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2...
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 8:06AM
Steve Williams

Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence

SUBJECT

yet the selfProfessed BIA 'whiteMan' steveAdam writes.......

".....A well regulated militia is what won the United States freedom from the tyranny of the British...."

Sunday, July 26th 2015 at 11:22PM
Steve Williams

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selfProfessed "whiteMan" steveAdam has posted blogs about HIS guns...internet is forever you MONSTROUS FRAUD

steveAdam, has at BIA been a CONSTANT LYING southernHeritage.........Stereotypical Falsehood.........

1776-1812 were civilWars, and continuation of europeanWars.......wars of Native Subjugation

leave you snake in a roosterCoup


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 9:06AM
robert powell
What's your point Bob? The 2nd amendment?
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 9:43AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Thank you for the brief history lesson and I am not here to debate the whole bill. My question to you was, Now that Untied States is now free and have been for a few hundred years now, what is the point to bring is point up as a support for the 2nd amendment issue for people to bare arms from a government that is already free?

Now, why do you want to tie in the banks into a conversation of baring arms, is way off this point and subject.

Let us get back on the subject OK!


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 9:53AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

national guard is militia

----dumbArse 'selfProfessed' southernHeritage 'whiteMen' are and have a 400+ YEAR history of American Terrorism


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 1:31PM
robert powell
Brother Deacon,

The relevance of Operatin Choke Point is the myriad ways that are attempted to circumvent the Constitution. The relevance of the Bill of Rights is: which of these other 10 should we circumvent while we are circumventing the 2nd? Due process? If the 2nd is no longer relevant, harmful rather than beneficial, there is a procedure to repeal it. Why not repeal it in the manner prescribed by law? Because it will never be repealed is why. So the only recourse of the President and members of Congress, sworn to uphold the Constitution, is to circumvent. Plain and simple.

Monday, July 27th 2015 at 2:10PM
Steve Williams
That's what they say Bob. Now what about the 2nd Amendment?
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 2:12PM
Steve Williams
This is what happens when the supreme court, the highest interpreter of the law say that money is speech and corporations are people too. This is the down fall from within.

It is very important that we can get out the vote because the next president may appoint up to three supreme court justices.


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 2:48PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Steve,

What! You should at least have one gun being that you out there in the woods. Aren't you scared of being surprised by a bear or snake?


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 4:38PM
Jeni Fa
Furthermore,

..."freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a free press, and free assembly; the right to keep and bear arms; freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, security in personal effects, and freedom from warrants issued without probable cause; indictment by a grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime"; guarantee of a speedy, public trial with an impartial jury; and prohibition of double jeopardy"...

Theses are good freedoms but I am yet to see these apply to minorities.


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 4:39PM
Jeni Fa
specially if you ain't got no money.


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 5:25PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Jen, bears and snakes aren't a problem here.
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 7:10PM
Steve Williams
What cought my eye about this article was the fact that this man, Russel Houser, praised Adolf Hitler, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and the Westboro Baptist Church.

This is an act of domestic terrorism against Americans in this country. This was a sick man able to buy a gun.


Monday, July 27th 2015 at 9:49PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Background checks are faulty. Because someone has been accused of domestic abuse doesn't mean that they have committed domestic abuse, yet the mere fact of accusation will result in them failing a background check.
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 10:30PM
Steve Williams
Did you understand that houser had a history of violence and mental instabitily. Yes, this background check was faulty or nonexistent.
Monday, July 27th 2015 at 11:25PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

Quit defending your racistlyIgnorant volk, steveAdam

Russel Houser, had rigged his old house to EXPLODE the gasLINE

that's a FELONY

that neggerRussel Houser, should have been in jail......................


Tuesday, July 28th 2015 at 3:49PM
robert powell
John Russell Houser was a frequent commenter on websites run by hate groups and extreme right-wing websites, the Southern Poverty Law Center said in a press release Friday.

The civil rights group, which tracks the activities of groups like the Ku Klux Klan, compiled a long list of examples of the 59-year-old Houser-- frequently under the name "Rusty Houser"-- praising the likes of Adolph Hitler and the Westboro Baptist Church and calling the U.S. a "financially failing filth farm."

None of the post make overt calls for violence, but in one 2014 post on a web forum for the New York chapter of a the Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn, he did talk about the "power of the lone wolf."

"I do not want to discourage the last hope for the best, but you must realize the power of the lone wolf, is the power that can come forth in ALL situations," Houser wrote, according to Southern Poverty Law Center. "Look within yourselves."

Read the full Southern Poverty Law Center article here. https://medium.com/hatewatch-blog/lafayett...

Tuesday, July 28th 2015 at 7:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I'm not defending him Robert. I said that background checks are faulty and they are. If someone accuses you, no trial let alone a conviction, you will fail. That's a fact.
Tuesday, July 28th 2015 at 7:48PM
Steve Williams
This type of clown can get a gun! WOW!


Tuesday, July 28th 2015 at 8:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
The system is a failure all around. There are also those who should be able to buy a gun but can't.
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 12:29AM
Steve Williams
Now that I have not seem. What I have seen that in all the mass murders which the gunman was white, they was mentally ill, all of them.


Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 6:19AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I was prevented from buying a shotgun for hunting, because of a false accusation of domestic abuse. That's how I know it happens. Now a record like that can be expunged, but until it is you will fail the check.
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 6:48AM
Steve Williams
I also know someone who was involuntarily committed because she was abused to the point of a mental breakdown. When she had recovered suppose she tried to purchase a gun for protection from this same abuser. She didn't but if she had she would have failed the check.
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 6:53AM
Steve Williams
In the mass murders that we have had since Sandy Hook, all of them was committed by people who should not bought guns in Pawn shops, gun shows and in some cases over the Internet. I sure Brother Steve, if you wanted a weapon, you can put your hands on one, fast.

Over 90% of the people surveyed in the recent poll, when asked: "Should there be some type of gun control legislation in the form of background checks" and unprecedented number of people say yes.
This is the will of the people speaking and the gun lobbyist are fighting against the will of the people.


Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 2:29PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I've never believed that 90% figure Brother Deacon. If it were true, Congress would have acted. The NRA isn't controlled by the gun lobby either, that's another lie. If I'm wrong it should be easy enough to prove.
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 2:59PM
Steve Williams
Would you agree We need more restrictions on guns!


Guns are not safe. There are too many accidents involving children playing with guns or accidental discharges due to careless or inexperienced adults.

Too many criminals purchase guns legally and use them to commit crimes. background checks and mandatory waiting periods help to deter criminals while negligibly inhibiting us.

Current gun registration laws are not adequate for law enforcement. To help prevent and to help solve crimes, guns should be registered and characterized before they are use to commit a crime. The only ones that would be threatened by this policy would be criminals.

Semi-automatic weapons are intended for military use and have no business in the hands of civilians for either self-protection or sport.

Where guns are readily accessible, they can more easily fall into the hands of children.
The key to protecting our democracy is not in having armed citizens, but informed ones. Privately held guns would not be a match to our military's advanced weapons.

There are significant loopholes in our current gun regulations. These need to be plugged.
Unfortunately there are many misguided individuals in our society. We as a society would be better off if they had less access to guns.

Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 3:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
As the L.A. Times reported on July 18, the Social Security Administration (SSA) is currently developing a program to strip the Second Amendment Rights of over four million Americans currently receiving SSA benefits through a “representative payee.” Not only would this amount to the largest gun grab in American history, but according to the published report, would take place without any due process protections for recipients, amounting to a nullification of Second Amendment rights for millions of Americans who don’t pose a threat to themselves or anyone else.

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This new program appears to have been instigated by the SSA in response to a memorandum issued by Obama in January of 2013 which directed all federal agency executives to “improve the availability of records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).” This memorandum required all agency heads to submit to the Department of Justice (DOJ) a plan for “sharing all relevant Federal records” for submission to the NICS.

Evidently, Obama’s SSA bureaucrats read “all relevant Federal records” to mean all Social Security recipients who have a “representative payee” assigned to their accounts to help them manage their payments and receipts. Obviously, many individuals swept up in this egregious case of bureaucratic over-reach would not otherwise be prohibited from owning, possessing, or acquiring firearms under federal law.

The federal prohibitions against acquiring or possessing firearms apply to those “adjudicated as a mental defective,” among others. The term “adjudication,” however, refers to a determination made after a judicial-type process that includes various due process protections. In no case does the federal law describe or contemplate the type of prohibition by bureaucratic fiat exercised by the SSA in developing its guidelines for those with “representative payees” assigned to their accounts.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150718/s...

Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 4:06PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Do you know who this group is? This group is another right wing Organization that claims Obama is coming for your guns, which have been refuted time after time to be false.


Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 4:22PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Quick check, is there anyother all the references to this plan take over outside that NRA website?


Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 4:30PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Here's another communication I received Brother Deacon.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/...

Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 4:37PM
Steve Williams
How about those gun laws that Obama wants to implement, to take away your guns. Can you show me some of those?
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 10:24PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Wayne LaPierre can't show me the prove when asked http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/w...

Brother Steve, take a look.




Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 10:32PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I don't like Wayne LaPierre. I did watch the entire Congressional hearings after Sandy Hook. That was definitely an attempt to take away guns.

Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 11:07AM
Steve Williams
I agree, I don't like him myself. Those were talks, what the question was The Laws, Obama's laws, where are the laws that prove the claims that Obama is coming for your guns? I will stand-by on this one.


Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 12:30PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

None of the laws that Obama requested were passed. He was extremely upset about that if you remember, as was Feinstein. Do you remember what she tried to do?

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ind...

This is what I call taking away guns.

Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 12:38PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve, thank you for this link. Let us take a look at Mass shootings in Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson have demonstrated all too clearly the need to regulate military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. These weapons allow a gunman to fire a large number of rounds quickly and without having to reload. These types of weapons don't need to be in the hands of the mentally ill or felons or anyone who cannot state oh federal background check. What the Republicans have done is to continue to let these people have access to these high-powered weapons.

Let us see What the bill does:

The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Brother Steve, we are talking Americans having the ability to mor down children, the youth, people in BARS and at the theaters and you believe by passing into law a comprehensive background check is taken the guns from people. Wow, then what is your answer to these senseless mass murders?


Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 1:16PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

The NO votes on this bill were 44 Rebublicans and 15 Democrats.

Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 2:30PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

The American lower and middle class free thinking people has more work to do.


Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 2:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

Are you saying gun control is a class issue?

Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 4:12PM
Steve Williams

Gun control is a RACIST issue!

Again, the 2nd amendment is satisfied in 2015 with the NATIONAL GUARD----each state has one ---- ARMY, NAVY, AirForce ARMED

selfProfessed 'whiteMen' like steveAdam Pierre need guns cause they IMAGINE 'blackRedYellowBrown' people coming after them.......


Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 5:16PM
robert powell
Hey Bob, I here MSNBC is hiring.
Thursday, July 30th 2015 at 6:26PM
Steve Williams

Brother Steve,

What I am saying is, that gun control is a side issue for people in the Libertarian and republican parties to gather up the troops, to get that vote while the Koch Brothers gut the middle class with these laws written by Alick .



Friday, July 31st 2015 at 5:54PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I voted for Pat Toomey in 2010. I regret that for a number of reasons, including his actions on gun control. This time I'll vote against him.
Friday, July 31st 2015 at 7:02PM
Steve Williams
Robert,

The 2nd Amendment is not satisfied by the National Guard. The National Guard was created by acts of Congress based on the authorization of the Militia in the body of the Constitution. Since the Militia was defined originally in the Constitution, then why was the 2nd Amendment added? Because the force of the 2nd Amendment is the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 1:36AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve, I am still waiting for your to point out to us where the Obama administration is coming for your guns, can you show where?
Now that link that you showed me earlier clearly regulated military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines..

Do you want to try again? This time limit your replies to the subject in which you are speaking: "GUNS!" Now can you do that?






Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 8:04AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
New Lawmakers Inform President Of Their Opposition To The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty

On Monday, a group of 12 freshman Senators expressed their opposition to ratification of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty in a letter to President Barack Obama. Secretary of State John Kerry signed the UN ATT on behalf of the U.S. on September 25, 2013. In their letter, the new Senators cited an October 15, 2013 letter to the president signed by 50 Senators from the 113th Congress that outlined their concerns regarding the treaty in detail. Further the group wrote, “we pledge to oppose the ratification of this treaty, and we give notice that we do not regard the U.S. as bound to uphold its object and purpose.” Altogether, 55 Senators in the 114th Congress have made clear that they oppose the UN ATT.

The freshman Senators were led in their effort by two veteran opponents of the treaty, Senators Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kans.). In joint press releases Tuesday, the pair further explained why staunch Senate opposition to the ATT is vital to American gun owners.

Senator Moran noted, “Throughout this process, it has been disturbing to watch the Administration reverse U.S. policies, abandon its own ‘red line’ negotiation principles, admit publicly the treaty’s dangerous ambiguity, and hastily review the final treaty text.” Senator Inhofe made clear that “the president continues to mislead the U.N. by keeping the United States as a signatory nation of a treaty the Senate will not ratify. As threats to our security and that of our allies continue to grow, serious questions surround the treaty regarding its implementation and its effect on our ability to aid and arm our allies, and raises serious concerns regarding our Second Amendment rights.”

In a portion of the release summarizing the six broad reasons for opposing the ATT given in the 2013 letter, the Senators Inhofe and Moran listed as one of their concerns: “The treaty includes only a weak non-binding reference to the lawful ownership, use of, and trade in firearms, and recognizes none of these activities, much less individual self-defense, as fundamental individual rights. This poses a threat to the Second Amendment.” This embodies much of the reason NRA’s opposes the treaty and has worked to limit its potential effect on American gun owners since the push for the ATT began in 2003.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/08/new-lawm...
Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 9:33AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Is this what you are trying to pass by me? This is not a law that went to our congress to take away the guns of is citizenry. This is clear a treaty between the countries of the world as a UN Treaty.

You are strongly aginst Back Ground Checks?



Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 11:32AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I'm against only because they're flawed. We shouldn't let convicted felons purchase guns but an arrest is not a conviction.

It's true that no guns have been taken away, yet. But the first step towards taking guns away is a national gun registration, and that's part of the ATT which Obama has agreed to. How does a national gun registration keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 12:37PM
Steve Williams
Training for the safe usage of that firearm.

That comes with ID to carry the firearm.

Insurance for the firearm to cover the user and or the unattended victim.

We say that cars can be used as a weapon, which is was never attended. We can put insurance on a gun which it was clearly ment to be a weapon.




Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 1:55PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

Training is one of the main functions of the NRA and always has been.

Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 3:18PM
Steve Williams
http://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx
Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 3:20PM
Steve Williams
Then why are they opposed to background checks?


Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 3:24PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

Probably because it could be used for registration.

Statement Regarding Universal Background ChecksTWITTERPINTERESTFACEBOOK
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January 24th, 2013
Chris W. Cox
An article appearing on TheHill.com today asserted that Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is working on a bill with the NRA that would implement universal background checks.

NRA does NOT support universal background checks and is not working with Manchin to implement this type of legislation. NRA opposes, and will continue to oppose, universal background checks and registration schemes.

https://home.nra.org/nraila/document/state...


Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 4:36PM
Steve Williams
The NRA opposes this legislation because it does not address the real problems of fixing the broken mental health system and prosecuting criminals. Further, criminals will never submit to such a system so it will never truly be “universal” – and according to a recent Justice Department research paper the only way to enforce “universal background checks” is to create a national registry of gun owners.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150314/a...

Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 4:48PM
Steve Williams
Brother Deacon, let's look at Social Security numbers. It's supposed to be illegal to use them for any other purpose. Well guess what.
Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 5:01PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I see their argument however are we really talking about addressing the problems of fixing the broken mental health system and prosecuting criminals or making it harder for the mentally Ill or that criminal to get his hands on a gun that might kill someone you love?

What is being promoting is: "We need more good guys with a guns." Who is the good guy if they have not been through training and have the credentials showing our police officers of that FACT.

Yes, let us take a damn good look at our Social Security numbers. everything that we are can already be pulled up by those numbers, how high is your education level, your class status, race, age, economical status, your health, your family status and if you said that you want to protect yourself and your family, I don't think that you would have to worry about this government because they already know who you are already...

They keep trying to fool the foolish with this message.




Sunday, August 2nd 2015 at 9:35PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Post-Newtown, NRA membership surges to 5 million. Efforts to pass gun control legislation have only made the National Rifle Association stronger, with the membership rolls now surpassing a record 5 million, NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre said. May 4, 2013

Brother Deacon, this is not foolishness. This time I'm getting a lifetime membership.

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 1:24AM
Steve Williams
A Brief History of the NRA
Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.

An important facet of the NRA's creation was the development of a practice ground. In 1872, with financial help from New York State, a site on Long Island, the Creed Farm, was purchased for the purpose of building a rifle range. Named Creedmoor, the range opened a year later, and it was there that the first annual matches were held.

Political opposition to the promotion of marksmanship in New York forced the NRA to find a new home for its range. In 1892, Creedmoor was deeded back to the state and NRA's matches moved to Sea Girt, New Jersey.

The NRA's interest in promoting the shooting sports among America's youth began in 1903 when NRA Secretary Albert S. Jones urged the establishment of rifle clubs at all major colleges, universities and military academies. By 1906, NRA's youth program was in full swing with more than 200 boys competing in matches at Sea Girt that summer. Today, youth programs are still a cornerstone of the NRA, with more than one million youth participating in NRA shooting sports events and affiliated programs with groups such as 4-H, the Boy Scouts of America, the American Legion, Royal Rangers, National High School Rodeo Association and others.

Due to the overwhelming growth of NRA's shooting programs, a new range was needed. Gen. Ammon B. Crichfield, adjutant general of Ohio, had begun construction of a new shooting facility on the shores of Lake Erie, 45 miles east of Toledo, Ohio. Camp Perry became the home of the annual National Matches, which have been the benchmark for excellence in marksmanship ever since. With nearly 6,000 people competing annually in pistol, smallbore and high-power events, the National Matches are one of the biggest sporting events held in the country today.

Through the association's magazine, The American Rifleman, members were kept abreast of new firearms bills, although the lag time in publishing often prevented the necessary information from going out quickly. In response to repeated attacks on the Second Amendment rights, NRA formed the Legislative Affairs Division in 1934. While NRA did not lobby directly at this time, it did mail out legislative facts and analyses to members, whereby they could take action on their own. In 1975, recognizing the critical need for political defense of the Second Amendment, NRA formed the Institute for Legislative Action, or ILA.

Meanwhile, the NRA continued its commitment to training, education and marksmanship. During World War II, the association offered its ranges to the government, developed training materials, encouraged members to serve as plant and home guard members, and developed training materials for industrial security. NRA members even reloaded ammunition for those guarding war plants. Incidentally, the NRA's call to help arm Britain in 1940 resulted in the collection of more than 7,000 firearms for Britain's defense against potential invasion by Germany (Britain had virtually disarmed itself with a series of gun-control laws enacted between World War I and World War II).

After the war, the NRA concentrated its efforts on another much-needed arena for education and training: the hunting community. In 1949, the NRA, in conjunction with the state of New York, established the first hunter education program. Hunter Education courses are now taught by state fish and game departments across the country and Canada and have helped make hunting one of the safest sports in existence. Due to increasing interest in hunting, NRA launched a new magazine in 1973, The American Hunter, dedicated solely to hunting issues year-round. NRA continues its leadership role in hunting today with the Youth Hunter Education Challenge (YHEC), a program that allows youngsters to build on the skills they learned in basic hunter education courses. YHECs are now held in 43 states and three Canadian provinces, involving an estimated 40,000 young hunters.

The American Hunter and The American Rifleman were the mainstays of NRA publications until the debut of The American Guardian in 1997. The Guardian was created to cater to a more mainstream audience, with less emphasis on the technicalities of firearms and a more general focus on self-defense and recreational use of firearms. The Guardian was renamed America's 1st Freedom in June of 2000.

Law enforcement training was next on the priority list for program development. Although a special police school had been reinstated at Camp Perry in 1956, NRA became the only national trainer of law enforcement officers with the introduction of its NRA Police Firearms Instructor certification program in 1960. Today, there are more than 10,000 NRA-certified police and security firearms instructors. Additionally, top law enforcement shooters compete each year in eight different pistol and shotgun matches at the National Police Shooting Championships held in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

In civilian training, the NRA continues to be the leader in firearms education. Over 55,000 certified instructors now train about 750,000 gun owners a year. Courses are available in basic rifle, pistol, shotgun, muzzleloading firearms, personal protection, even ammunition reloading. Additionally, nearly 2,800 certified coaches are specially trained to work with young competitive shooters. Since the establishment of the lifesaving Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program in 1988, more than 21 million pre-kindergarten to sixth grade children have learned that if they see a firearm in an unsupervised situation, they should "STOP. DON'T TOUCH. LEAVE THE AREA. TELL AN ADULT." Over the past seven years, Refuse To Be A Victim® seminars have helped more than 15,000 men and women develop their own personal safety plan using common sense strategies.

In 1990, NRA made a dramatic move to ensure that the financial support for firearms-related activities would be available now and for future generations. Establishing the NRA Foundation, a 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt organization, provided a means to raise millions of dollars to fund gun safety and educational projects of benefit to the general public. Contributions to the Foundation are tax-deductible and benefit a variety of American constituencies including youth, women, hunters, competitive shooters, gun collectors, law enforcement agents and persons with physical disabilities.

While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly five million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. As former Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos said, "Let me make one small vote for the NRA. They're good citizens. They call their congressmen. They write. They vote. They contribute. And they get what they want over time."
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 1:42AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Thank You for this brief history but my question to you was clearly stated .

I see their argument however are we really talking about addressing the problems of fixing the broken mental health system and prosecuting criminals or making it harder for the mentally Ill or that criminal to get his hands on a gun that might kill someone you love?
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 3:38AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

You are talking about keeping guns out of the hands of someone who might kill someone I love. I'm talking about keeping guns in the hands of those who will protect the ones I love. My two young sons would have been kidnapped it not been for the fact that their mother had a gun.

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 9:04AM
Steve Williams

'Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence'.

SUBJECT................

Since 9/11

..... 74 Americans have been killed by "Imagined Terrorists" AND 150,000 Americans have been KILLED by American Gun USERS

$TRILLIONS of American money has been spent on IMAGINATION of selfProfessed 'whiteMen'....vs the Reality of Our Greatest American President Baraaka Hussein Obama

***********yet the BIA, selfProfessed 'whiteMan' argues.........

".......None of the laws that Obama requested were passed........I'm not defending him Robert. ......That's a fact."
Tuesday, July 28th 2015 at 7:48PM
Steve Williams

The system is a failure all around.
Wednesday, July 29th 2015 at 12:29AM
Steve Williams

The 2nd Amendment is not satisfied by the National Guard. The National Guard was created by acts of Congress based on the authorization of the Militia in the body of the Constitution. Since the Militia was defined originally in the Constitution, then why was the 2nd Amendment added? Because the force of the 2nd Amendment is the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Saturday, August 1st 2015 at 1:36AM
Steve Williams

***********************************************

National Guard in your own written words of the CONSTITUTION are the Militia from each state.....THERE is nothing wrong with SYSTEM!

bottomLine..............you and your VOLK have bigImaginations..............

--------nra and believers like you...... are a majority of selfProfessed 'whiteMen'....that IMAGINE 'blackRedYellowBrown' people coming after them.......for past and present UNCONSTITUTIONAL racistlyIgnorant actions perpetrated by selfProfessed 'whiteMen'


Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 9:21AM
robert powell
Since the Militia was defined originally in the Constitution, then why was the 2nd Amendment added?
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 10:05AM
Steve Williams
What is a Militia in today's terms Brother Steve?


Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 12:17PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, as Robert says it's the National Guard.
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 1:46PM
Steve Williams
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_G...
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 1:49PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve, do you agree and if so, how does that equal to the regular people having the right to have and bare guns?




Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 3:26PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

It would have made no sense for the 2nd Amendment to read "the right of the Militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" because the Militia by definition is an armed body. So they must have had another reason for adding it. That reason is given preceding the imperative that follows: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". Well regulated here meaning "well ordered, prepared". An armed citizenry means that we are already prepared to serve on the Militia. Myself or any one of my five sons, or any of the 5 million NRA members, could join the National Guard at a moments notice and we would know how to handle firearms and even provide our own if necessary.

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 3:33PM
Steve Williams

'Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence'.

SUBJECT................

Since 9/11

..... 74 Americans have been killed by "Imagined Terrorists" AND 150,000 Americans have been KILLED by American Gun USERS

$TRILLIONS of American money has been spent on IMAGINATION of selfProfessed 'whiteMen'....vs the Reality of Our Greatest American President Baraaka Hussein Obama

***********yet the BIA, selfProfessed 'whiteMan' militia Imagination......argues.........

"......the 2nd Amendment to read "the right of the Militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" because the Militia by definition is an armed body....."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state"....."

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 3:33PM
Steve Williams

*********************************************...."because it is JUST his IMAGINATION"

EXAMPLES of steveAdam Imagination.........

1. the surburbanMilitias in Maryland VS the Maryland National Guard...(which Group wins?)

2. the urbanMilitia in Baltimore VS the surburbanMilitia in Baltimore....(which neggerGroup is free?)

Pleeeze......the steveAdam is Total racistIgnorance.......

BUT

Deacon, you call him; yourBrother steveAdam

I call him his selfProclaimed 'whiteMan' at BIA steveAdam-----has and is full of the analExcretions of selfProfessed 'whiteMen' at BIA..........

he agrees and then disagrees with the same thing

he is your brother ........ in racistlyIgnorant disease........


Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 5:01PM
robert powell
Robert,

Since the Militia was defined originally in the Constitution, then why was the 2nd Amendment added?
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 10:05AM
Steve Williams | delete

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 7:23PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Since we both know that you our your sons will not have to bring any of your guns to a well financed National Guard, that is something that you or your 5 million NRA members won't have to worry about ever. This is something that I know from the inside out. So, that fairytale can stop when you are trying to promote The NRA.

Now, how does that equal to the regular people having the right to have and bare guns again?

here is something else to think about when answering that question: who that guy who shot up the church a member of the NRA? Ur how about those two men who shot up the theaters, was they members of the NRA?

At this time we, Untied States are comprised of 50 states and guess what Brother Steve, all of them are free.



Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 8:08PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

Are you sure there will never be an emergency in this country that requires the service of armed citizens? My question remains, why was the Second Amendment added when the Constitution already specified the Militia?

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 9:38PM
Steve Williams
Back then the America's was in it's infancy.

Now, how does that equal to the regular people today having the right to have and bare guns again?

Brother Steve, have you just over looked my other two questions!

Was that guy who shot up that Black church was he a member of the NRA? Or how about those two men who shot up the theaters, was they members of the NRA?


Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 10:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Such language has created considerable debate regarding the Amendment's intended scope. On the one hand, some believe that the Amendment's phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" creates an individual constitutional right for citizens of the United States. Under this "individual right theory," the United States Constitution restricts legislative bodies from prohibiting firearm possession, or at the very least, the Amendment renders prohibitory and restrictive regulation presumptively unconstitutional. On the other hand, some scholars point to the prefatory language "a well regulated Militia" to argue that the Framers intended only to restrict Congress from legislating away a state's right to self-defense. Scholars have come to call this theory "the collective rights theory." A collective rights theory of the Second Amendment asserts that citizens do not have an individual right to possess guns and that local, state, and federal legislative bodies therefore possess the authority to regulate firearms without implicating a constitutional right.

In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the shotgun "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . ." The Court then explained that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the effectiveness of the military.

This precedent stood for nearly 70 years when in 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court revisited the issue in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290). The plaintiff in Heller challenged the constitutionality of the Washington D.C. handgun ban, a statute that had stood for 32 years. Many considered the statute the most stringent in the nation. In a 5-4 decision, the Court, meticulously detailing the history and tradition of the Second Amendment at the time of the Constitutional Convention, proclaimed that the Second Amendment established an individual right for U.S. citizens to possess firearms and struck down the D.C. handgun ban as violative of that right. The majority carved out Miller as an exception to the general rule that Americans may possess firearms, claiming that law-abiding citizens cannot use sawed-off shotguns for any law-abiding purpose. Similarly, the Court in its dicta found regulations of similar weaponry that cannot be used for law-abiding purposes as laws that would not implicate the Second Amendment. Further, the Court suggested that the United States Constitution would not disallow regulations prohibiting criminals and the mentally ill from firearm possession.

Thus, the Supreme Court has revitalized the Second Amendment. The Court continued to strengthen the Second Amendment through the 2010 decision in McDonald v. City of Chicago (08-1521). The plaintiff in McDonald challenged the constitutionally of the Chicago handgun ban, which prohibited handgun possession by almost all private citizens. In a 5-4 decisions, the Court, citing the intentions of the framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment, held that the Second Amendment applies to the states through the incorporation doctrine. However, the Court did not have a majority on which clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the fundamental right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. While Justice Alito and his supporters looked to the Due Process Clause, Justice Thomas in his concurrence stated that the Privileges and Immunities Clause should justify incorporation.

However, several questions still remain unanswered, such as whether regulations less stringent than the D.C. statute implicate the Second Amendment, whether lower courts will apply their dicta regarding permissible restrictions, and what level of scrutiny the courts should apply when analyzing a statute that infringes on the Second Amendment.

Recent case law since Heller suggests that courts are willing to, for example, uphold

regulations which ban weapons on government property. US v Dorosan, 350 Fed. Appx. 874 (5th Cir. 2009) (upholding defendant’s conviction for bringing a handgun onto post office property);
regulations which ban the illegal possession of a handgun as a juvenile, convicted felon. US v Rene, 583 F.3d 8 (1st Cir. 2009) (holding that the Juvenile Delinquency Act ban of juvenile possession of handguns did not violate the Second Amendment);
regulations which require a permit to carry concealed weapon. Kachalsky v County of Westchester, 701 F.3d 81 (2nd Cir. 2012) (holding that a New York law preventing individuals from obtaining a license to possess a concealed firearm in public for general purposes unless the individual showed proper cause did not violate the Second Amendment.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_ame...

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 10:29PM
Steve Williams
Brother Deacon, I'll see if I can find the answer about those two individuals.
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 10:31PM
Steve Williams
If Roof was a NRA member no one has said so.
Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 11:14PM
Steve Williams
"If Congress had passed some common-sense gun safety reforms after Newtown," President Obama said during a visit to San Francisco on Friday, "we don't know if it would have prevented what happened in Charleston." Actually, we do know: Had the bill to which Obama was referring been enacted, it would not have done anything to prevent Dylann Roof from murdering nine people at Charleston's Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church on Wednesday night. But as is usually the case with the policies that gun controllers push in response to horrendous crimes like this one, logic is optional.

Obama was talking about legislation proposedfollowing the December 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut—in particular, "reforms that 90 percent of the American people supported," meaning expansion of the background check requirement for gun buyers to include sales that do not involve federally licensed dealers. But as CNN reported the day of Obama's remarks, Roof bought the .45-caliber Glock Model 41 handgun he used in the church attack from a Charleston gun store in April, shortly after his 21st birthday (which was on April 3), with money his father had given him as a present. That means he passed a background check.

Whether Roof should have passed a background check is a matter of some dispute, but it looks like he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record. Roof was arrested at a mall in Columbia, South Carolina, on March 2 February 28 [see below] and charged with illegal possession of Suboxone, a Schedule III combination of the narcotic buprenorphine and the opioid antagonist naloxone (legally used to treat opioid addicts). According to a story The New York Times ran on Thursday, the drug charge was a felony. But according to subsequent reports from the Associated Pressand The Charlotte Observer, the charge was a misdemeanor.

The difference is important under the Gun Control Act of 1968, which bans firearm sales to someone who "is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" (i.e., a felony). Based on the Times report, The Washington Post's Jeff Guo claimed (as J.D. Tuccille noted here on Friday) that "because of his criminal record, Roof would not have been able to buy a gun from a store." Clearly that's not true, since Roof did buy a gun from a store. And if A.P. and the Observer are right that Roof was charged with a misdemeanor rather than a felony, his drug arrest would not have barred him from buying a gun, even assuming that the information would have made its way into the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in the month or so between the arrest and the purchase.

If Roof was a nonmedical user of Suboxone, that fact would have legally disqualified him from buying a gun, since the Gun Control Act excludes anyone who is "an unlawful user" of a controlled substance. But a gun dealer would have had no way of knowing about Roof's tastes in psychoactive chemicals, because NICS does not track people's drug habits—a good thing, since otherwise anyone who has recently consumed cannabis (even in states where it's legal) or used someone else's prescription medication would be stripped of the right to own guns in practice as well as theory. Nor did the "common-sense gun safety reforms" Obama wishes Congress had passed include such a national database of drug users, the creation of which would face enormous practical difficulties, not to mention the wholesale violation of privacy it would entail.

In short, "universal background checks" make no sense as a response to the Charleston shootings, contrary to what Obama and Martin O'Malley seem to think. Then again, universal background checks made no sense as a response to the Sandy Hook massacre, the perpetrator of which, Adam Lanza, used a rifle legally purchased by his mother and in any case did not have the sort of criminal or psychiatric record that would have legally barred him from buying a gun on his own. Such emotional appeals do not have much staying power, not because people forget about the horrors perpetrated by the likes of Roof and Lanza, but because the proposed solutions are non sequiturs that cannot withstand a moment's reflection.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/22/obama-wo...

Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 11:16PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Remember when I said the 90% of people, American people supported," meaning expansion of the background check requirement for gun buyers to include sales that do not involve federally licensed dealers. I remember you saying that you don't believe that figure. Well guess what, it popped up in your last reply.


Monday, August 3rd 2015 at 11:49PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

That was an Obama quote. What poll(s) prove it? I'll see if I can find out.

Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 12:24AM
Steve Williams
Here's a sampling of other "90 percent" issues

* Solar/wind power: 87 percent of Americans supported government development of more solar and wind power in a 2010 Washington Post-ABC News poll. Such funding was boosted by the 2009 economic stimulus bill.

* Life of mother/abortion: 87 percent said abortion should be permitted if the mother's life is in danger, according to the 2012 General Social Survey. Abortion laws since Roe v. Wade have typically allowed such abortions, and protecting the life of the mother has been a key push back against stricter laws.

* Stronger borders: 80 percent support stricter border control to try and reduce illegal immigration in a newly released Post-ABC poll. Spending on border control has increased every year since 1992, with a particular uptick since 2006.

There are very few other areas where the public is so united as a 2011 Pew Research Center report noted. Some hint mainly at wishful thinking or broad platitudes. Eighty percent of people agree with the statement that they are "very patriotic"; 90 percent feel it's their duty as a citizen to always vote; and 90 percent admire people who get rich by working hard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix...

Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 12:32AM
Steve Williams
How did Dylann Roof pass a criminal background check to buy a gun? Initial reports suggested that Roof’s purchase of the gun he used to murder nine people at Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina, was legal. But now FBI Director James Comey says that’s wrong: Roof should have been prevented from buying the .45 caliber pistol, but something went awry during the background-check process.

Federal laws prevent certain people from purchasing guns, including those facing charges that might result in a prison term of at least a year. Roof was charged earlier this year for the possession of a drug called Suboxone, a misdemeanor offense that did not meet that threshold, and so would not have barred him from making the purchase. But the rules also bar anyone “who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” from buying a gun. When he was arrested on March 1 for possession, Roof told investigators that he had used the drug, which should automatically have disqualified him. Somehow, that crucial fact never made it into the background-check database.

Could this be case of GREED or just white privilege? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...



Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 8:01AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Steve,

This is why I bring up this question of was Dylann Roof a member of the NRA. I remember reading This article a few days ago. http://jezebel.com/white-supremacists-sort...


Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 8:09AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

One's NRA membership includes a subscription to your choice of American Rifleman (the original), American Hunter, or America's First Freedom (focusing on legislative issues). Each of these monthly publications has in common a section called The Armed Citizen, a page of reports where guns were used to prevent crime. You don't hear about those in the Liberal media, do you?

Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 8:26AM
Steve Williams
I saw that artical Brother Deacon. It was about an NRA board member who pointed out that Clementa Pinkney had voted for a law prohibiting concealed carry inside churches. This board member was speaking for himself, not the NRA as a whole. What do you think about concealed carry in churches?

Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 8:34AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Did you get a chance to review this link: http://jezebel.com/white-supremacists-sort...

I believe that Church should be unitedly across the board considered a gun free zone. This is America where you can worship without the fear of being gunned down in cold blood by some sick young racist thug.


Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 8:47AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I'm in favor of concealed carry. Unfortunately it's mostly illegal. That's the choice this society has made and we are seeing the negative outcome of that choice, even on our service members.
Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 9:07AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Let us get back to this topic of a gun free zone. Would you agree that American's should be free from worrying about being shot in cold blood by some racist young thug in the place from worship?


Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 11:05AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, we can never be free from worry about being shot, any more than we can be free from worry about getting killed or maimed in a traffic accident.
Tuesday, August 4th 2015 at 4:53PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

If you can't go and worship in a place of your choosing without the fear of some racist thug gunning you or your grandmother down in cold blood, then this is not the America of the brave and the home of the free any more.


Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 8:13AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I worry a whole lot more about dying by a car than dying by a gun.

On average in 2012, 92 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. each day in 30,800 fatal crashes.[1]

Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 9:11AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I never thought that someone off the streets would come into a church and gun down in cold blood a 87 year old Grandmother saying, you rape our women and taken over our country until now.

We know the average of dying on the nations roads is high but being shot to death in a church Brother Steve, come on.... I am sure that you don't support that kind of madness.





Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 10:17AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Of course not Brother Deacon. But I don't support calls for more gun control either.
Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 12:44PM
Steve Williams
Then you are in support of a sicko like roof getting his hands on a gun, is that, what I hear you saying Brother Steve?


Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 6:36PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Tomorrow I'm going to a gun show and getting the scoop on background checks. Brother Deacon I'm in favor of armed citizens being able to defend themselves against sickos like Dylann Roof.
Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 7:40PM
Steve Williams
You do know that roof slipped through a loop hole in the gun show law, which allowed that thug to put his hands on a gun in the first place. The law should be the defense against sick thugs like him and not a good guy with a gun.

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Saturday, August 8th 2015 at 8:45PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
It wasn't a loophole Brother Deacon, it was a system failure.
Sunday, August 9th 2015 at 12:30AM
Steve Williams
If it was, a system failure then why do nothing to fix it.



Sunday, August 9th 2015 at 1:00AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
How would you fix it Brother Deacon?

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a U.S. system for determining if prospective firearms or explosives buyers are eligible to buy. It was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Law) of 1993 and launched by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 1998.

After a prospective buyer completes the appropriate form, the Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) initiates the background check by phone or computer. Most checks are determined within minutes, but the FBI has up to three business days to make a determination. After that, the transfer may legally proceed anyway.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_I...


Sunday, August 9th 2015 at 8:20AM
Steve Williams
Brother Deacon,

So I'm here at the gun show, talking to licensed dealers about background checks. I reviewed the law and there is no reason for me to fail a check, nor was there a reason in 2003 when I first found out there was a problem. The first guy I talked to said he wouldn't run a check, if I failed then I would fail today. He said apply for a carry permit and I would find out. The second said go to the state police barracks and I could find out. Both said I would need a lawyer to straighten it out. The NRA rep said the same thing and added make it a Constitutional lawyer. This is just one of the proofs our country has gone to HELL.

Sunday, August 9th 2015 at 12:51PM
Steve Williams
There is no gun show loophole.
Sunday, August 9th 2015 at 2:28PM
Steve Williams
GUN SHOW LOOPHOLES

Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to sales of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows The loophole refers to a perceived gap in the law with regard to sales or transfers of firearms between private citizens. The term may also be referred to as the Brady Law loophole and the private sale loophole. Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks of buyers to verify that the buyer is not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Private sellers are also not required to record the sale or ask for identification. Federal law prohibits private individuals from selling a firearm to a resident of another state, or to someone they know, or have reason to believe, is prohibited from owning a firearm. As of August 2013, 33 states do not require background checks for sales of firearms by private individuals, while 17 states and Washington, D.C. do require background checks for some or all private firearm sales. This is in contrast to sales by gun stores and other Federal Firearms License holders, who are required by federal law to perform background checks of all buyers, and to record all sales.

According to a 1999 report by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) commissioned by President Bill Clinton, these legal transactions contribute to illegal activities, such as arms trafficking, purchases of firearms by prohibited buyers, and straw purchases.

Generally, gun control advocates want to extend background check requirements to private sellers. Gun rights advocates say there is no loophole, and believe any federal law requiring background checks for sales of secondary market firearms between private citizens, whether at gun shows or not, would exceed the government's authority, be a prelude to gun registration, and endanger gun owners' Second Amendment rights.

Seven gun show loophole bills were introduced in the U.S. House and four in the Senate between 2001 and 2013, but none were passed.

So, in short your buddy who is just a regular blue collar worker can buy a few guns and then sell them to you and not preform any back ground on you what so ever. Brother Steve, I thought you knew that.

That is what is called the gun show loop hole. Brother Steve, like always, you don't have to take my word for what I said, here's link that will tell you more about what is meant by GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontro...

But don't come to me with this LIE saying there is no gun show loophole. That is to easy to prove that BS wrong.


Monday, August 10th 2015 at 12:16AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

All the tables I visited, all the people I talked to, were licensed firearms dealers. Both new and used guns therefore required a background check. Don't take my word for it, go to a gun show and see for yourself. Brother Deacon, if I give one of my sons a gun, are you saying he should be subject to a background check? I say, hell no!

Monday, August 10th 2015 at 9:26AM
Steve Williams
Did you read my last comment to you with understanding? Did you read the link? You woe have understood what a gun show loophole it. By the way Steve, that gun that you give your son, he should be able to demonstrate his knowledge using that weapon. Would you want some kid on the road who don't know the rules of the road? Why would you be as passionate to put a gun in your son's hands without the same knowledge of the rules to that weapon?





Monday, August 10th 2015 at 11:22PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

My sons were all taught from their earliest years about guns, starting with gun safety, well before I let them shoot them. That was when they were around 10.

Tuesday, August 11th 2015 at 2:06AM
Steve Williams
And each of them went through NRA instructed hunter safety courses when they were old enough to get their license.
Tuesday, August 11th 2015 at 2:16AM
Steve Williams
Brother Deacon,

This background check system is a mess, an absolute mess. I went to the courthouse, filed my application for a carry permit, and was told I would have it within 45 days. Understand my purpose is not a carry permit, though it would be good to have, but just to find out if I can go ahead and buy my little .22 plinker. Then I called the dealer and asked was it safe to come in and buy my gun. He said well no, if they told me 45 days that meant they had to research me. I said well if I come in to get the gun, then I just might be out $36 if I failed the check right? He said well no, if I failed the check, depending on the reason why, I might find myself being dragged off in handcuffs by a state trooper! So he said wait until I get the permit but even once I have that and come in to get the gun I would encounter the same delay again! And after that when I transfer my guns from California I would encounter it again! I said what the hell, maybe it's because I have a common name? He said he did have another customer with a common name, but whose SSN was entirely different from someone else with a felony conviction whom they mixed him up with, and he had this same problem I'm having. Brother Deacon, is this the system you not only are defending but saying needs to be 'enhanced'???

Tuesday, August 11th 2015 at 3:02PM
Steve Williams
Let us be real for a moment. The system needs to be fixed and not hampered. If we as a people sit back and do nothing then this problem will not be fixed. Just like owning a car, guns should be registered, licensed and insured. Their are too many people don't think the way you do Steve. If they did, you would not pick up the paper and read another child found the father's gun playing with there sister pulled the trigger and shot his sister dead. If the owner of that gun knew what to do with that weapon, he would have secured that gun.



We can not sit back and do nothing for that is what the manufactures of such weapons wants, they want no impedance of there gun sales.



Tuesday, August 11th 2015 at 8:23PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
No one knows exactly how much gun manufacturers contribute to the NRA — the group doesn't have to disclose donations. There are at least $38.9 million in public "sponsorships," but actual donations are thought to exceed that. In any case, the NRA, with its four million members, is certainly well-funded, and able to vastly outspend gun-control groups:

Still, the NRA and gun manufacturers often disagree on key issues. And, when they do, the NRA usually wins. Here's a fascinating anecdote from Jarrett Murphy:

When Smith & Wesson struck a deal with the Clinton administration in 2000, agreeing to a long list of changes to its products and business practices—including limiting the size of magazines for its semi-automatic weapons and avoiding dealers who sold a disproportionate number of guns later used in crimes—the gun lobby howled. It led a boycott of Smith & Wesson that nearly killed the company; in a span of just two years, the number of guns manufactured by Smith & Wesson fell by 44 percent. “They just beat the crap out of Smith & Wesson for a while, then let them back in,” says Diaz. Colt Firearms and Sturm, Ruger have been similarly punished for crimes against the Second Amendment.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblo...

Tuesday, August 11th 2015 at 11:52PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

This article is saying in short on a couple of occasions that the gun lobbyist are stronger than gun manufacturers and the laws of this land, if you want to continue doing business here.




Wednesday, August 12th 2015 at 1:56PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I was addressing whether the NRA is controlled by the manufacturers. It's not, it's controlled by the members. There is a graph that goes with the text I posted.

Wednesday, August 12th 2015 at 2:28PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I see on this Washington Post article that the NRA played a roll in the weapons industry in this country and it is rare that the two disagree on anything which that union, makes it good for business and that is the bottom line.


Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 9:33AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, the graph shows that most of the money comes from members. Myself, I just paid $500 for a Life Membership, and I'm not the only one. When the gun controllers come after us, the members mobilize.
Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 11:38AM
Steve Williams
What gun controllers?


Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 12:32PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Anyone in the government who is pushing more gun control.
Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 2:13PM
Steve Williams
So I don't want any more sandy hooks, kids finding guns the home and shooting and killing other children, church shootings, theaters shooting, criminals getting there hands on guns, The mentally ill getting there hands on guns, do that make me a gun controller, coming to take away your guns?


Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 2:41PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Not you Brother Deacon, you're an advocate. The legislators are the controllers, although the executive has usurped a certain amount of control as well.
Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 8:36PM
Steve Williams
Well Brother Steve, since Obama is not coming for your guns and never had plans to do so, then why the paranoia from some right wing parties?




Thursday, August 13th 2015 at 9:35PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, Obama is coming for my guns. Just because he says it's common sense doesn't mean it is.
Friday, August 14th 2015 at 1:16AM
Steve Williams
WHAT!!!! common sense. This sound like paranoia Brother Steve. Show me some FACTS that the Obama administration is coming for your guns?


Friday, August 14th 2015 at 8:48PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, Obama's position on guns is clear. If it were up to him no citizen would have one, only the military.

Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 12:47AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I have asked you to present me with some FACTS that Obama is coming for your guns and you have fail to do that, now you bring this weak talking point to me. OK! Obama wants to keep guns out of the hands of the Deranged and the mentally ill. Have you not noticed that in all the mess shootings that they all had some mental illness?




Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 8:52AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, have you been following this?

Steve,

International Gun Registry.

In our Friday staff briefing, NAGR President Dudley Brown painted a bone-chilling picture of what could be the new reality for gun owners.

You see, the prospect of President Obama getting the last laugh on gun control grows ever more likely -- especially since the Obama administration has already signed the United States into the U.N.'s "Small Arms Treaty!"

That's why in order to fight back, NAGR is launching a MASSIVE "BANNER BOMB" PROGRAM.

If we can hit our goal of raising $150,437 by August 20th, NAGR staff will blanket the Internet with a hard-hitting digital ad campaign to put pressure on U.S. Senators to OPPOSE Obama's gun-globalist agenda.

All across the country, your National Association for Gun Rights is gearing up to EXPOSE every horrific provision of the United Nations' "Small Arms Treaty."

Will you make an IMMEDIATE CONTRIBUTION of at least $10 right now to help NAGR put pressure on our targeted U.S. Senators?

With your help, we can reach our $150,437 goal and run our "Banner Bomb" program to TURN UP THE HEAT on our targeted U.S. Senators and flood their phone lines and town halls with patriots demanding them to support the Second Amendment and resist Obama's globalist deals.

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/...

Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 7:54PM
Steve Williams
Opposition to the ATT can be broken down into state opposition and civil society opposition. Over thirty states have objected to various parts of the ATT during negotiations, the majority of which held strong concerns about the implications for national sovereignty.[31] From a civil society point of view, groups concerned about national sovereignty or individual rights to armed defense have been negative of the ATT. While not fundamentally opposed to an ATT, these groups are keenly sensitive to ensuring an ATT does not undermine national constitutional protections and individual rights. The most vocal and organized civil society groups opposing objectionable aspects to the ATT originated from the United States. These groups include the National Rifle Association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation[32] and The Heritage Foundation. The NRA and the Gun Owners of America say that the treaty is an attempt to circumvent the Second Amendment and similar guarantees in state constitutions in order to impose domestic gun regulations.[33]

One of the largest sources of civil opposition to the ATT has come from the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA), which is the lobbying arm of the NRA. In July 2012 ILA stated that:

"Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That's a bald-faced lie. For example, the most recent draft treaty includes export/import controls that would require officials in an importing country to collect information on the 'end user' of a firearm, keep the information for 20 years, and provide the information to the country from which the gun was exported. In other words, if you bought a Beretta shotgun, you would be an 'end user' and the U.S. government would have to keep a record of you and notify the Italian government about your purchase. That is gun registration. If the U.S. refuses to implement this data collection on law-abiding American gun owners, other nations might be required to ban the export of firearms to the U.S."[34]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Small_A...

Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 8:08PM
Steve Williams
President Obama is nOt waiting tO take actOn. On january 26, 2013,
he annOunced 23 executive actiOns tO reduce gun viOlence that will:
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure
dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of
violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
learn mOre at whitehOuse.gOv/nOw-is-the-time
Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 8:59PM
Steve Williams
All I can hear is bla bla blah BLAH... It never ceases to amaze me on what and how men dialogue about stuff we women find insanely boring like 200 threads later~Ha!



Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 9:21PM
Jeni Fa

Black women continue to have the highest abortion rate of any ethnic group, with a gruesome 483 abortions for every 1,000 live births.

The bottom line? I’ll say it again: 138,539 black babies, nearly one baby in three, were killed in the womb in 2010. According to the CDC, between 2007 and 2010, innocent black babies were victimized in nearly 36 percent of the abortion deaths in the United States, though blacks represent only 12.8 percent of the population. Some say the abortion capital of America is New York City. According to LifeSiteNews, the city’s Department of Health reported that in 2012, more black babies were aborted (31,328) than born (24,758). That’s 55.9 percent of black babies killed before birth. Blacks represented 42.4 percent of all abortions.
..."Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence, Obama Feels Helpless"...

Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 9:31PM
Jeni Fa
Brother Steve,

Which one of these 23 annOunced executive actiOns do you object too? This reminds me of someone else we both know.


Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 9:52PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Sister Fa,

Quick question: How many of these babies killed in the womb was of the mother's choice and how many of those 36 36 percent of the abortion deaths was mandated by the federal government?

..."Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence, Obama Feels Helpless"...

Just Asking!!!




Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 9:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I object to all of them Brother Deacon, though some of them are worse than others.
Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 11:04PM
Steve Williams
Jen, is OCD mental illness?
Saturday, August 15th 2015 at 11:06PM
Steve Williams
Ok, let us take this one. 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

Why do you object to federal departments from talking to one another in a gun background investigation?


Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 12:01AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

Social Security is a federal agency. I posted earlier about how they were reporting 4 million Americans as unqualified to buy a gun because they assigned someone to handle their SS payments. And look through this list and see how many of these orders violate patient privacy.

Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 12:31AM
Steve Williams
@ Bro. Deac,
..."Quick question: How many of these babies killed in the womb was of the mother's choice and how many of those 36 36 percent of the abortion deaths was mandated by the federal government?"...


Of course you have to know that no one makes a Black woman do anything, not even the govt of the United States of America. These mothers freely of their own free wills went to the nearest Planned Parent'intheir'hoods to have the precious innocents aborted. And now these souls are back with Jesus in Heaven.




Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 1:13AM
Jeni Fa
@ Steve,

..."Jen, is OCD mental illness?"...

Yes, its a anxiety disorder on the line / spectrum of PTSD, For the person with OCD, not following the compulsive behaviours bring about severe anxiety.

Why do you ask Steve? Are you or someone you know suffering from OCD?



Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 1:16AM
Jeni Fa
Jen, I've been referred to a psychiatrist to find out. And this brings up the privacy issue since my records are not secure under Medicare.
Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 7:45AM
Steve Williams
As of Sept. 2, 2014. Medicare sent letters out and required a response by that date. The default was if no response was received your records are shared in order to "provide better health care". To not have your records shared you needed to explicitly choose that. I was in the middle of moving and never saw the letter. I filed a change but the damage had already been done. I never heard from Medicare if the changed had been made, probably because the idiots are still sending my mail to my old address. I'll have to call them and then who knows what the record when you do that. And it looks like Obama's plan is to use the ACA as a backdoor to people's information as well.
Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 7:57AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

I see now, you personally have a vested interest in this first Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. Have you been blocked by this Presidential Memorandum from buying a gun legally.



Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 9:22AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I'm waiting to find out.

Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 6:03PM
Steve Williams
Social Security Update: Agency Backpedals as NRA and Pro-Gun Officials Press for Answers

Last month, we reported on a story by the L.A. Times that indicated the Obama White House is eyeing ways to use the Social Security Administration (SSA) as a source of records for NICS, which includes a federal database of persons prohibited from possessing or receiving firearms. One option the story discussed was SSA’s adoption of a model employed by the Veteran’s Administration, which reports to NICS as “adjudicated as a mental defective” beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. This has resulted in some 177,000 VA beneficiaries being reported as prohibited persons to NICS, without the necessity of any judicial finding whatsoever as to their propensity for dangerous or violent behavior. According to the L.A. Times, a similar move by the SSA would have far broader reach, involving as many as 4.2 million beneficiaries with “representative payees.”

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We also noted that Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Tex), Chairman of the Social Security Subcommittee of the House Committee on Ways and Means, spearheaded a letter joined by 19 members of Congress to Carolyn Colvin, Acting Commissioner of Social Security. The letter cautioned that using the assignment of representative payees as a basis for reporting SSA beneficiaries to NICS “would be a dangerous overreach.” Accordingly, the letter urged the agency “to abandon any such plan.” It also asked Ms. Colvin to specify whether or not SSA intended to pursue such a policy.

Ms. Colvin responded to Rep. Johnson’s inquiry in a letter dated Aug. 7. According to that letter, “SSA has not provided any names of beneficiaries to the NICS and is not considering sending names based solely on the beneficiaries having representative payees.” Ms. Colvin did acknowledge, however, that “we are currently determining how we must comply with our NICS reporting obligations under Federal law” and “are looking at possible implementation scenarios.” None of those scenarios, according to Ms. Colvin, “would refer all SSA beneficiaries with representative payees to the NICS.”

A careful parsing of Ms. Colvin’s language, however, still leaves ample room for concern. For example, it does not rule out assignment of a representative payee as factor in reporting beneficiaries to NICS. Rather, it merely states that it will not be use as the “sole” determinant and that not “all” such persons will be reported. This could mean, for example, that SSA would not report beneficiaries who are assigned representative payees solely because they are minors. It also raises the question of what other possible pretext SSA might use to strip its clients of their Second Amendment rights.

Given these ongoing concerns, your NRA continues to work with pro-gun members of Congress to ensure one of America’s largest entitlement programs is not transformed into the Obama administration gun ban dream machine.

Also on Aug. 7, Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) led a coalition of 27 senators in another letter to Acting Commissioner Colvin. Once again, the letter expressed concern about SSA’s apparent intention to report beneficiaries with representative payees to NICS. “It is not at all clear,” the letter stated, “how this misguided intention is intended to be carried out or how SSA will serve as adjudicator of risks posed by beneficiaries utilizing its representative payee system.” It also asked for a report “on the basis for SSA's intention to develop such a plan.” Further, the letter admonished, “Old age or a disability does not make someone a threat to society,” and closed by urging SSA “to halt any steps to provide information on Social Security beneficiaries or Supplemental Security Income recipients to the NICS.”

Meanwhile, your NRA has been actively engaged with members of Congress on ways to statutorily preempt use of the nation’s entitlement programs as a basis for stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms. As we reported last week, Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) has introduced S. 2002, a bill that would halt the VA and SSA, or any other agency for that matter, from forwarding individuals to NICS without proper adjudications which find an individual a danger to themselves or others. Law-abiding recipients of benefits for which they are legally eligible should not have to worry about choosing between monies or services they are due under the law and their fundamental constitutional rights. All options remain on the table to prevent such abuses.

In the meantime, if you have not already registered your concern, your senator and representative needs to hear from you NOW that you will not tolerate use of the Social Security Administration to strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights. You can use the “Write Your Lawmakers” feature at NRAILA.org or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150814/s...

Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 6:16PM
Steve Williams
@ Steve,
...",probably because the idiots are still sending my mail to my old address."...

Ha! Now that's serious. At any rate, I hope you get it straightened out.




Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 6:48PM
Jeni Fa
Brother Steve,

Please make sure that they have your new address because that responsibility is yours.


Sunday, August 16th 2015 at 8:05PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

I thought they had it but I guess I'll have to check. What do you think about mental illness being treated like a crime?

Monday, August 17th 2015 at 8:34AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

In the latest few mass murders that involved guns, the shooters was portrayed as mentally ill, from Sandy Hook, to the church shooting and to both theater shootings was all portrayed to the public as mentally ill and fell through the cracks of he Background checks and never should have got there hands on a gun. I also think that the 87 year old grandmother that roof shot to death in cold blood, would still be alive today giving that grandmother's love to her grandbabies, if that mentally ill person did not have a gun legally.



Monday, August 17th 2015 at 9:09AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Steve, are you still out there?
Wednesday, August 19th 2015 at 9:23AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon,

These shooters demonstrated they were a danger to themselves or others, so it's fair to say they're mentally ill. If you deny someone a gun because they are judged to pose a danger to themselves or others, that's just an opinion.

Thursday, August 20th 2015 at 1:35AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

That is the opinion of their medical doctor. So, what do you say?




Thursday, August 20th 2015 at 10:12AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, the problem is that too many mental health professionals are inept.

Friday, August 21st 2015 at 8:53AM
Steve Williams
Is that your professional medical opinion?


Monday, August 24th 2015 at 6:12PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Yes.
Monday, August 24th 2015 at 6:34PM
Steve Williams
What medical degrees did you earn?


Monday, August 24th 2015 at 6:56PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, I don't have a medical degree but I do know people. I'll be interviewing a psychiatrist today, I'll let you know if he/she makes the grade.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:14AM
Steve Williams
It's been two weeks and I'm still waiting for the results of my 'instant' background check.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:27AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Ok! I understand you to say that you don't have a degree in psychology so you have no formal training in the field of psychology so, to make your claim valid, you are going to need more knowledge in the Field to Field make a medical opinion.

Now as far as your gun background check, I remember that you was going to follow up on your address change because you was in the midst of moving. Did you do the follow up?


Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 10:02AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Brother Deacon, I had no formal training in software engineering either, but I authored three U.S. patents.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 11:22AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

You do realize that you are talking about two different Feild of discipline here?




Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 12:12PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Not really Brother Deacon. The brain is a computer. Much beyond anything man has created and that's why mental health is the least understood medical science.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 1:48PM
Steve Williams
This last doctor seems to be a typical drug dealer.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 5:25PM
Steve Williams

'Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence'.

SUBJECT................

Since 9/11

..... 74 Americans have been killed by "Imagined Terrorists" AND 150,000 Americans have been KILLED by American Gun USERS

$TRILLIONS of American money has been spent on IMAGINATION of selfProfessed 'whiteMen'....vs the Reality of Our Greatest American President Baraaka Hussein Obama

***********yet the BIA, selfProfessed 'whiteMan' ......argues......... for the NRA, spending other peoples money, rand OR NONSENSE........

Seattle Washington not a big murder city SPENDS almost $20 Million per year on MURDER

that's the SUBJECT!

Murder --- NO LIFE MATTERS ------ 250,000 Murders since 9/11/2001


Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 5:26PM
robert powell
All willed by Allah.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 5:29PM
Steve Williams
@ Steve,

I tend to agree with you that mentally unstable people or those with untreated mental health illnesses shouldn't have access to a gun. For example with all the mumbo jumbo that Harry talks... I would not want him to have access to a gun. He gets angry quickly when one doesn't agree with him!! Can you imagine what he'd do poor Black people in his cult?

Yikes!!!


Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:04PM
Jeni Fa
It's sad Jen, Harry doesn't even try to get help.
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:20PM
Steve Williams
Louisiana Shooter Had History Of Domestic Violence, Radical Outbursts http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/theate... the profile of a right-wing domestic terrorist.




Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 8:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
TRUTH ABOUT GUN OWNERS (TAG) POLL
HELP SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT BEFORE THE ANTI-GUN MEDIA DESTROYS YOUR FREEDOM…
STEVE,

Do CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN speak for you? Of course they don't.

But that's not stopping them - and thousands of voices across the web - from pushing phony polls saying gun owners like YOU want GUN BANS and GUN OWNER REGISTRATION.

And these so-called polls are being shoved down the throats of your national, state and local legislators as the TRUTH about “your” views on the Second Amendment.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK NOW
BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

That's why I'm asking you to complete the NRA Truth About Gun Owners (TAG) Poll today.

For years NRA has been using TAG Polls to combat the media's lies and get the TRUTH out about law-abiding gun owners like you and me.

And your TAG Poll answers TODAY will give your elected officials the COLD, HARD PROOF of where you and America's 100 million gun owners really stand... and that we will mobilize by the millions to DEFEAT anti-gun legislation.

So please, don't let the media speak for you. Defend your freedom. Take the TAG Poll now.


Wayne LaPierre
Executive Vice President



https://www.nra.org/2015tagpoll/default.as...

Wednesday, August 26th 2015 at 8:20AM
Steve Williams
Is this the man you said you don't like? Oh, by the way Brother Steve, did you here about another crazed shooter who shot down in cold blood a news reporter and camera man? I just heard this news on my car radio, as I was driving to work this morning?


Wednesday, August 26th 2015 at 10:35AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Did you look at the questions Brother Deacon?
Wednesday, August 26th 2015 at 5:07PM
Steve Williams
What question Brother Steve?



Wednesday, August 26th 2015 at 7:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
The questions on the NRA survey I linked to.
Thursday, August 27th 2015 at 8:00AM
Steve Williams
@ Steve,
..."It's sad Jen, Harry doesn't even try to get help"...

I guess his family decided the lesser of evils (bloggin is safer) but it actually isn't because it allows him to fuel the delusions.


Thursday, August 27th 2015 at 1:21PM
Jeni Fa

'Since 2001 Less Than 100 Americans Killed by Terrorism, Yet Tens of Thousands Have Been Killed by Gun Violence'.

SUBJECT................

Since 9/11

..... 74 Americans have been killed by "Imagined Terrorists" AND 150,000 Americans have been KILLED by American Gun USERS

AND THE BAND plays on with......

"....It's sad Jen, Harry doesn't even try to get help...."
Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:20PM
Steve Williams

@ Steve,

I tend to agree with you that mentally unstable people or those with untreated mental health illnesses shouldn't have access to a gun.Yikes!!!

Tuesday, August 25th 2015 at 7:04PM
Jeni Fa

Brother Steve?

Wednesday, August 26th 2015 at 7:21PM
Deacon Ron Gray

*****************************************

jeniFa

------I believe you, as an American Medical professional KNEW before I did that over 55% of Americans in 2015 CAN be classified as in NEED of Psychiatric Help for a MENTAL DISORDER.....

------As an Practicing nurse, YOU are more aware than I that 250,000 Americans have MURDERED other Americans, IN AMERICA SINCE 9/11/2001

------As a Jesus Following Nurse, YOU are more aware than I that Americans have taken LIFE thru Abortion -

............In 2011, 1.0 million abortions took place in the U.S., 1.21 million abortions in 2008, 1.29 million in 2002, 1.31 million in 2000 and 1.36 million in 1996. From 1973 through 2011, nearly 53 million legal abortions occurred in the U.S. (AGI).

AND you are aware that

1. steveORadam a selfProfessed 'whiteMan' at BIA, an African American website---who deneggeroates President Baraaka Hussein Obama, Blogs the Legal Justification for slavery, Enables another 'whiteMan' to call African Americans Neggeros, named roosters in a chickenCoop --- Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.............IS a gun enthusiast.

2. harry is a selfProfessed 68 IQ Retardant, wading in the ymCa pool

I, on any basis would believe that the 'whiteMan' Neggero is in need of Mental Help.....AND much more dangerous with HIS OWN GUNS that harry with a pool float.....


Thursday, August 27th 2015 at 3:52PM
robert powell
@ Rob,

..."Blogs the Legal Justification for slavery, Enables another 'whiteMan' to call African Americans Neggeros, named roosters in a chickenCoop --- Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.............IS a gun enthusiast."...

Ha! Well can I say that we don't exactly know or can be 100% sure that Harry is less dangerous that Steve if he were to have a psychotic break and got his hands of a firearm. My opinion is that only God knows, but the research has come pretty close to predicting these sorts of things. Case point, the man who gunned down the two new anchors on live T.V. two days ago. He was a very volatile guy as described by his former boss (that also fired him) and probably because he had some undiagnosed mental illness ( Bipolar Disorder) that went untreated. So one can be certain that people that go off the deep end and have had access to weapons will most likely use them on others.


Thursday, August 27th 2015 at 5:14PM
Jeni Fa
Here's another senseless use of a gun. Two parents were killed and their daughter wounded when they stopped to help a man who appeared to be having car trouble on a road inside a Montana reservation.

When the family approached Jesus Deniz Mendoza, he pulled out a gun and ordered them out of their car, the surviving daughter said.

He then told them to walk away from their car. As they turned to leave, the daughter heard a gunshot. She looked back and saw her father lying in the road, she said.

The next shot killed her mother. The third shot hit her in the back.

Mendoza said he “shot the victims because he was getting tired of waiting around, and because the daughter laughed at him,” the criminal complaint says.

Read KTLA's story here: http://ktlane.ws/1gtO3zw

Did you see the reason for his actions, "Mendoza said he “shot the victims because he was getting tired of waiting around, and because the daughter laughed at him.”

If the loop wholes was fixed in the gun back ground check law, this person may not have been able to get his hand on a gun.

The NRA is nowhere to be found.


Friday, August 28th 2015 at 9:22AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Deac,

..."Mendoza said he “shot the victims because he was getting tired of waiting around, and because the daughter laughed at him,” the criminal complaint says."

That dude is a psychopath! Who does that?!


Friday, August 28th 2015 at 1:24PM
Jeni Fa
Sister Fa,

Did hear about this shooting at the gas station in Texas? I am in my car when I heard this one. I will bring this shooting up to date real soon.

Still, we need to put a end to the gun loopholes soon.




Saturday, August 29th 2015 at 10:22AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Deac, I hate to say it but we... especially need to spend more time on our knees as these days are increasingly evil and are only going to get worse. In that way, we, families, and loved ones won't get caught being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

(KJV) 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

(MSG) 2 Timothy 3:1-5 Difficult Times Ahead 3 1-5 Don’t be naive. There are difficult times ahead. As the end approaches, people are going to be self-absorbed, money-hungry, self-promoting, stuck-up, profane, contemptuous of parents, crude, coarse, dog-eat-dog, unbending, slanderers, impulsively wild, savage, cynical, treacherous, ruthless, bloated windbags, addicted to lust, and allergic to God. They’ll make a show of religion, but behind the scenes they’re animals. Stay clear of these people.

(AMP) 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.


Saturday, August 29th 2015 at 2:50PM
Jeni Fa
That is part the reason why I made the choice in my life to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, so that I may learn, then I can TEACH his word.



Monday, August 31st 2015 at 11:10AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Deac,

Absolutely! But the problem is that many people aren't practical; the Lord was both spiritual and practical. He'd speak a word and then live that same word out practically. Many of our brothers and sisters don't even read or watch the news even though its at our fingertips. There are so many that are so Heavenly minded that they aren't any Earthly good.

The Word has to become practical so that others can see how to walk it out in their daily lives. As far as the blog is concerned, I don't know why we can't make some legislation like Canada to keep guns out of the hands of people that want to commit violence against one's neighbors. Why is it that we can't use guns responsibly? Would doing so really bring down the sale of guns for the NRA? I doubt it.

What I have seen from the research is that if we can invest dollars in the early formative years of children say from 0-9, we can deter them from a life of crime and poverty. Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could get the NRA to invest some of those lobby dollars in building Early Years Centers (free of charge), Libraries, and Low Cost Recreation Centers? Then in that wise, we would ensure that children who are at risk to gun violence have postive alternative.


Monday, August 31st 2015 at 12:24PM
Jeni Fa
Sister Fa,

It is not profitable nor is it feasible for the NRA to try and correct this problem because when mass murders occur, gun sale improves. Who is that who said, Beware of the military-industrial complex? I am wondering out loud, what will happen if black folks would walk in plain public, like in the case of Clyde Bundy and his good old boys, I wonder?


Monday, August 31st 2015 at 10:13PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
On Friday, August 28, 2015, the National Rifle Association filed an important amicus brief with the United States Supreme Court in the case of Friedman v. City of Highland Park (No. 15-133). The case challenges the City’s archaic ban on common semi-automatic rifles that it pejoratively labels “assault weapons,” as well as standard-capacity magazines with capacities over ten rounds.

In April of this year, a divided three-judge panel of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the ban under a series of flawed tests that directly conflict with Supreme Court precedent. Ultimately, the panel majority ruled that the government may ban common firearms and magazines that are possessed by millions of law-abiding Americans - if doing so might make some members of the public “feel safer.” On July 27, 2015, the plaintiffs filed a Petition for Writ of Certiorari asking the Supreme Court to rehear the case to correct this dangerous ruling.

The NRA’s amicus or “friend of the court” brief urges the Supreme Court to accept the case to correct the majority decision’s blatant defiance of Supreme Court precedent. Specifically, the brief explains that firearms and magazines that are commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes are protected under the Second Amendment and simply cannot be banned. The brief also illustrates how the Bill of Rights will effectively be destroyed if the government is permitted to trample constitutional rights according to perceived public feelings and fears. Finally, the brief provides the Court with practical insights regarding the many reasons that the prohibited rifles and magazines are so popular among the American people.

Highland Park will now have an opportunity to respond, and the Supreme Court will then consider whether it will hear the case. All case filings can be viewed at http://michellawyers.com/guncasetracker/fr...
Tuesday, September 1st 2015 at 6:54AM
Steve Williams
I agree with to elevate above all other interest the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense o of hearth and home.


Tuesday, September 1st 2015 at 8:35AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
I agree with to elevate above all other interest the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense o of hearth and home. Now when we hear of someone shot in a robbery or in a church or in a gas station, that person would not be considered "law-abiding, responsible citizens, would they?

This is why I am in support of closing any loopholes in the gum show laws an I support background checks.


Tuesday, September 1st 2015 at 8:43AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Steve,

Does the NRA not have contracts to supply weapons to the Military and law enforcement?
Why do they need to be dependent on citizens in order to make revenue?

Tuesday, September 1st 2015 at 9:31AM
Jeni Fa
The NRA isn't a weapon supplier to anyone. Companies like Colt supply the military.
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 12:29AM
Steve Williams
There are many gun manufacturers that support the NRA there message.


Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 11:12AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Why wouldn't the gun manufacturers support members, myself among them?
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 12:28PM
Steve Williams
I own a Colt, a Smith & Wesson, and a Ruger. Are you familiar with the M-16 and 1911 Government Model Brother Deacon? The AR-15 civilian version of the M-16 and all the 1911 models are probably the most popular guns of all time. Do you think they should be banned?
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 12:36PM
Steve Williams
That was a rhetorical question. You are a veteran and I thank you for it. You know about these guns we are talking about.
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 12:41PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

Over 70% of American's polled wants comprehensive background checks. Let the will of the people be done.


Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 1:30PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Do you want magazine limits too? A ban on 'military' features?

The M16 rifle, officially designated Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16, is a United States military adaptation of the ArmaLite AR-15 rifle.[10][11][12][n 1] The original M16 was a select-fire, 5.56×45mm rifle with a 20-round magazine.

In 1963, the M16 entered United States Military service and was deployed for jungle warfare operations during the Vietnam War.[15] In 1969, the M16A1 replaced the M14 rifle to become the U.S. military's standard service rifle.[16][17] The M16A1 improvements include a bolt-assist, chromed plated bore and a new 30-round magazine.[18] In 1983, the USMC adopted the M16A2 rifle and the U.S. Army adopted it in 1986. The M16A2 fires the improved 5.56×45mm NATO (M855/SS109) cartridge and has a new adjustable rear sight, case deflector, heavy barrel, improved handguard, pistol grip and buttstock, as well as a semi-auto and three-round burst only fire selector.[19][20]

The M16 has also been widely adopted by other militaries around the world. Total worldwide production of M16s has been approximately 8 million, making it the most-produced firearm of its 5.56 mm caliber.[21] The U.S. Army has largely replaced the M16 in combat units with the shorter and lighter M4 carbine.[22]

Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 1:58PM
Steve Williams
First of all I would like to see background checks done on all people that want to own a weapon.

Second, all weapons registered with the state, with includes the ballistic so, our law enforcement agencies can tell who that weapon belongs to.

Third, that all weapon owners have insurance, that you must have a determent number of hours in training to receive, just in case of a accident of judgement.

From there if you want to protect your home, I don't really care what weapon you are using Brother Steve.


Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 5:12PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Ballistics tests Brother Deacon? I had a weapon stolen from me. I reported it to the police and who I thought stole it. I regret this event very much, it was a formidable weapon. If it was subsequently used in a crime what would a ballistics test prove that hadn't already been proven?
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 5:29PM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

If you would have went through the hours of training, you would have known how to secure that weapon. You would have had trigger locks on the weapon and had it stowed away in a secured place.

Now on the other hand, you did the responsible thing by reporting your weapon stolen. Now, this weapon would through ballistics, will not be charged to you.

I hope that you have since rectified your oversight and put the rest of your arsenal under lock and key.

Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 6:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
@ Deac,

..."It is not profitable nor is it feasible for the NRA to try and correct this problem because when mass murders occur, gun sale improves."...

Perhaps the mass murders are by design so that the NRA can disrupt equilibrium and balance by putting fear out there so that the gun sales continue to increase when they start to wane. Its' kind a sadistic in a way.

Deac, this isn't off topic but kind of referencing something in order to relate it to your mass murder and sales of guns theory... So bear with me. I just recently saw a bit of the movie Snow piercer last night and because I didn't see it from the beginning, I had to go online to find out what I had missed. So apparently the movie is about the remnant of Earth's people that survive an Apocalyptic blast that causes the entire Earth to freeze and the remaining survivors end up on a train that circles the globe in equilibrium.

..."This train is a complete ecosystem which must respect the balance. Air, water, food, people. Everything must be regulated. For this, it was sometimes necessary use more radical solutions. Wilford goes on to explain that the balance can only be achieved by two ways: Either by natural selection or political manipulation. Over the course of its 18 year history, the train has had three “revolutions” instigated by Wilford and his partner in the back of the train, Gilliam. The two political masterminds understood that they needed to “maintain a balance between anxiety and fear, chaos and horror, for life goes on.”...

What if that's what the manipulators are really doing... causing chaos in the system to sustain equilibrium or achieve their agenda.



Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 6:50PM
Jeni Fa
@ Steve,

..."The NRA isn't a weapon supplier to anyone. Companies like Colt supply the military."...

Hey is that suppose to keep them from having some kind of so called conflict of interest? What about the lobbyists? Isn't that the ultimate conflict of interest?



Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 6:52PM
Jeni Fa
Ohhooooo Wheeee Ah! AH! AHHHHH!,

I could not have said it any better, even if I put my speech writer's on it.... "CAUSING CHAOS and a diversion for the people at the top of the food chain. In this case, it is the .001% of the ultra rich in this country. Let them fight among themselves.





Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 7:12PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
What hours of training are you talking about Brother Deacon?
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 8:46PM
Steve Williams
And just how do you use a gun for home defense when it's locked up?
Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 8:47PM
Steve Williams
To answer both of questions: What hours of training are you talking about Brother Deacon? If I was your law maker in your state, I would submit a Bill for 40 hours of training at a state run training center.

And just how do you use a gun for home defense when it's locked up? Simple Brother Steve, you got the key!


Wednesday, September 2nd 2015 at 8:56PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
What kind of gun safe do you have Brother Deacon?
Thursday, September 3rd 2015 at 4:33AM
Steve Williams
Brother Steve,

you can rest assured that what I have is secured with all the bells and safeties.


Thursday, September 3rd 2015 at 4:44AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Then I'm sure it's not quick access Brother Deacon.
Thursday, September 3rd 2015 at 4:51AM
Steve Williams
That all depends on you.


Thursday, September 3rd 2015 at 7:11AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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