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What Did the Buddha Say About Lying?
Always tell the truth, even when you’re not.

By Matthew Gindin

The Buddha took a hard line on truth.

“One who feels no shame at telling a deliberate lie,” the Buddha told a monk after dramatically pouring out the contents of a dish, “has as much of a contemplative in them as this empty bowl” (MN 61, The Instructions to Rahula at Mango Stone). (The monk he was lecturing, by the way, was said to be his son, Rahula.)

“In the same way, Rahula,” the Buddha continued, “when anyone feels no shame in telling a deliberate lie, there is no evil, I tell you, they will not do. Thus, Rahula, you should train yourself, ‘I will not tell a deliberate lie, even in jest.’”

Even in jest? This austere, worshipful attachment to truth was characteristic of the Buddha. The early Buddhists thought that truth was so important, so powerful, that they sometimes invoked the truth like magic. They would practice something called an “act of truth,” a type of protective blessing that involved chanting something incontrovertibly true, and then saying, “by the power of this truth, may there be such-and-such.” Probably the most dramatic example of this comes from the story of Angulimala, the mass murderer who was converted by the Buddha and became an enlightened monk. The story goes that he once came upon a woman having a dangerous labor and said to her, “Sister, since being born in the noble birth [in other words, attaining a level of awakening], I am not aware that I have intentionally deprived a being of life. By this truth may you be well, and so may the child in your womb.”

The woman and her baby were safe, and this paritta [protective verse] is still chanted to safeguard expectant mothers in Theravadan countries today.

The Buddha made “not lying” one of the fundamental training practices of his path of self-transformation (it is the fourth precept out of five). And in his words to Rahula, he made it clear he believed that there is an essential connection between truthfulness and personal integrity. If one goes, so will the other.

It seems pretty straightforward, then, that according to the Buddha we should never lie. This raises some serious and difficult ethical questions, however. What if Nazis ask us if Anne Frank is in our attic? What if the truth is terribly embarrassing or could harm a relationship of ours?

In a pinch we might choose to take the karmic consequences of lying over the results of telling the truth, as in the Anne Frank example. Yet that is not the traditional solution in Buddhist ethical thinking, which is to avoid deception, but if deception is necessary, to do what one could call “deceiving with truth”—in other words, to deceive while speaking technically true words.

There is a story I was once told by a monk that illustrates this. The story goes that the Buddha was doing walking meditation in the forest when he perceived with his “all-seeing eye” an incident about to occur, and planned how to respond to it. A moment later a terrified-looking man ran past. The Buddha then stepped a few feet to the left and waited. A gang of brigands approached and asked, “While standing there, did you see a man run past?”

“No,” replied the Buddha. He was, of course, telling the truth. He had been standing somewhere else when he saw the man run past.

When I was a monk, I was required by the Vinaya, the code monastics follow, not to lie. The problem was that there were times when I wanted to. Maybe I wanted to hide the fact that I had not lasted through the all-night sitting I had boasted I would do the day before but had instead passed out just shy of 2 a.m. If another monk asked how my night of meditation went I might respond “Good,” and leave it at that. I would not have lied (there were many good things about it) but I knew that I was giving the impression that I had sat all night when I hadn’t. I used true words, yet I deceived.

Related: Right Lying

This solution may seem tortured and hypocritical to some. If you are going to lie, they would say, then surely it is better to just lie, rather than hiding behind this reassuring façade of truthfulness.

While surely it is best to tell the truth, the truth is that we are quite prone to lying. Numerous studies point to very widespread lying in our daily lives, with one American study showing 60 percent of people lying during a 10-minute conversation an average of 2-3 times; a UK study shows a more modest but still startling average of 10 lies a week. Most of us are not austerely refusing to deceive, but rather lying regularly and easily.

When I was a monk I found that my commitment to always speak true words forced me to change the way I occasionally deceived. It was impossible to deceive thoughtlessly and instinctually. I needed to be aware I was deceiving the other person. I had to put some real thought into it.

The practice of deceiving with true words was like swimming while anchored to the shore. I needed to maintain a relationship with the truth, to maintain a respect for it, even while deceiving. Putting this self-conscious effort into deception while keeping one hand on the truth protected me from fatal threats to Buddhist practice: self-deception, casual deception of others, and lack of awareness and shame about the deception I did practice.

As much as we would like to always tell the truth, the evidence shows that most of us don’t. Buddhist tradition’s more realistic commitment to avoid deception as much as possible, yet to absolutely refuse to speak untrue words, might do a better job of keeping us connected to the truth than the self-righteous lie that we are never liars.
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You sure seem hung-up about lying Ron. What does the Lotus Sutra say about it? I posted it for you once, let me try again.

Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 8:39PM
Steve Williams
“World-Honored One, we would be pleased now to employ a parable to make clear our meaning. Suppose there was a man, still young in years, who abandoned his father, ran away, and lived for a long time in another land, for perhaps ten, twenty, or even fifty years. As he grew older, he found himself increasingly poor and in want. He hurried about in every direction, seeking for clothing and food, wandering farther and farther afield until by chance he turned his steps in the direction of his homeland.
“The father meanwhile had been searching for his son without success and had taken up residence in a certain city. The father’s household was very wealthy, with immeasurable riches and treasures. Gold, silver, lapis lazuli, coral, amber, and crystal beads all filled and overflowed from his storehouses. He had many grooms and menservants, clerks and attendants, and elephants, horses, carriages, oxen, and goats beyond number. He engaged in profitable ventures at home and in all the lands around, and also had dealings with many merchants and traveling vendors.
“At this time the impoverished son wandered from village to village, passing through various lands and towns, till at last he came to the city where his father was residing. The father thought constantly of his son, but though he had been parted from him for over fifty years, he had never told anyone else about the matter. He merely pondered to himself, his heart filled with regret and longing. He thought to himself that he was old and p.119decrepit. He had great wealth and possessions, gold, silver, and rare treasures that filled and overflowed from his storehouses, but he had no son, so that if one day he should die, the wealth and possessions would be scattered and lost, for there was no one to entrust them to.
“This was the reason he constantly thought so earnestly of his son. And he also had this thought: If I could find my son and entrust my wealth and possessions to him, then I could feel contented and easy in mind and would have no more worries.
“World-Honored One, at that time the impoverished son drifted from one kind of employment to another until he came by chance to his father’s house. He stood by the side of the gate, gazing far off at his father, who was seated on a lion throne, his legs supported by a jeweled footrest, while Brahmans, noblemen, and householders, uniformly deferential, surrounded him. Festoons of pearls worth thousands or tens of thousands adorned his body, and clerks, grooms, and menservants holding white fly whisks stood in attendance to left and right. A jeweled canopy covered him, with flowered banners hanging from it, perfumed water had been sprinkled over the ground, heaps of rare flowers were scattered about, and precious objects were ranged here and there, brought out, put away, handed over, and received. Such were the many different types of adornments, emblems of prerogative and marks of distinction.
“When the impoverished son saw how great was his father’s power and authority, he was filled with fear and awe and regretted he had ever come to such a place. Secretly he thought to himself: This must be some king, or one who is equal to a king. This is not the sort of place where I can hire out my labor and gain a living. It would be better to go to some poor village where, if I work hard, I will find a place and can easily earn food and clothing. If I stay here for long, I may be seized and pressed into service! Having thought in this way, he raced from the spot.
“At that time the rich old man, seated on his lion throne, spied his son and recognized him immediately. His heart was filled with great joy and at once he thought: Now I have someone to entrust my storehouses of wealth and possession to! My p.120thoughts have constantly been with this son of mine, but I had no way of seeing him. Now suddenly he has appeared of himself, which is exactly what I would have wished. Though I am old and decrepit, I still care what becomes of my belongings.
“Thereupon he dispatched a bystander to go after the son as quickly as possible and bring him back. At that time the messenger raced swiftly after the son and laid hold of him. The impoverished son, alarmed and fearful, cried out in an angry voice, ‘I have done nothing wrong! Why am I being seized?’ But the messenger held on to him more tightly than ever and forcibly dragged him back.
“At that time the son thought to himself, I have committed no crime and yet I am taken prisoner. Surely I am going to be put to death! He was more terrified than ever and sank to the ground, fainting with despair.
“The father, observing this from a distance, spoke to the messenger, saying, ‘I have no need of this man. Don’t force him to come here, but sprinkle cold water on his face so he will regain his senses. Then say nothing more to him!’
“Why did he do that? Because the father knew that his son was of humble outlook and ambition, and that his own rich and eminent position would be difficult for the son to accept. He knew very well that this was his son, but as a form of expedient means he refrained from saying to anyone, ‘This is my son.’
“The messenger said to the son, ‘I am releasing you now. You may go anywhere you wish.’ The impoverished son was delighted, having gained what he had not had before, and picked himself up from the ground and went off to a poor village in order to look for food and clothing.
“At that time the rich man, hoping to entice his son back again, decided to employ an expedient means and send two men as secret messengers, men who were lean and haggard and had no imposing appearance. ‘Go seek out that poor man and approach him casually. Tell him you know a place where he can earn twice the regular wage. If he agrees to the arrangement, then bring him here and put him to work. If he asks what sort p.121of work he will be put to, say that he will be employed to clear away excrement, and that the two of you will be working with him.’
“The two messengers then set out at once to find the poor man, and when they had done so, spoke to him as they had been instructed. At that time the impoverished son asked for an advance on his wages and then went with the men to help clear away excrement.
“When the father saw his son, he pitied and wondered at him. Another day, when he was gazing out the window, he saw his son in the distance, his body thin and haggard, filthy with excrement, dirt, sweat, and defilement. The father immediately took off his necklaces, his soft fine garments, and his other adornments and put on clothes that were ragged and soiled. He smeared dirt on his body, took in his right hand a utensil for removing excrement, and assuming a gruff manner, spoke to the laborers, saying, ‘Keep at your work! You mustn’t be lazy!’ By employing this expedient means, he was able to approach his son.
“Later he spoke to his son again, saying, ‘Now then, young man! You must keep on at this work and not leave me anymore. I will increase your wages, and whatever you need in the way of utensils, rice, flour, salt, vinegar, and the like you should be in no worry about. I have an old servant I can lend you when you need him. You may set your mind at ease. I will be like a father to you, so have no more worries. Why do I say this? Because I am well along in years, but you are still young and sturdy. When you are at work, you are never deceitful or lazy or speak angry or resentful words. You don’t seem to have any faults of that kind the way my other workers do. From now on, you will be like my own son.’ And the rich man proceeded to select a name and assign it to the man as though he were his child.
“At this time the impoverished son, though he was delighted at such treatment, still thought of himself as a person of humble station who was in the employ of another. Therefore the rich man kept him clearing away excrement for the next twenty years. p.122By the end of this time, the son felt that he was understood and trusted, and he could come and go at ease, but he continued to live in the same place as before.
“World-Honored One, at that time the rich man fell ill and knew that he would die before long. He spoke to his impoverished son, saying, ‘I now have great quantities of gold, silver, and rare treasures that fill and overflow from my storehouses. You are to take complete charge of the amounts I have and of what is to be handed out and gathered in. This is what I have in mind, and I want you to carry out my wishes. Why is this? Because from now on, you and I will not behave as two different persons. So you must keep your wits about you and see that there are no mistakes or losses.’
“At that time the impoverished son, having received these instructions, took over the surveillance of all the goods, the gold, silver, and rare treasures, and the various storehouses, but never thought of appropriating for himself so much as the cost of a single meal. He continued to live where he had before, unable to cease thinking of himself as mean and lowly.
“After some time had passed, the father perceived that his son was bit by bit becoming more self-assured and magnanimous in outlook, that he was determined to accomplish great things and despised his former low opinion of himself. Realizing that his own end was approaching, he ordered his son to arrange a meeting with his relatives and the king of the country, the high ministers, and the noblemen and householders. When they were all gathered together, he proceeded to make this announcement: ‘Gentlemen, you should know that this is my son, who was born to me. In such-and-such a city he abandoned me and ran away, and for over fifty years he wandered about suffering hardship. His original name is such-and-such, and my name is such-and-such. In the past, when I was still living in my native city, I worried about him and so I set out in search of him. Sometime after, I suddenly chanced to meet up with him. This is in truth my son, and I in truth am his father. Now everything that belongs to me, all my wealth and possessions, shall belong entirely to this son of mine. Matters of outlay and income that p.123have occurred in the past this son of mine is familiar with.’
“World-Honored One, when the impoverished son heard these words of his father, he was filled with great joy, having gained what he never had before, and he thought to himself, I originally had no mind to covet or seek such things. Yet now these stores of treasures have come of their own accord!
“World-Honored One, this old man with his great riches is none other than the thus come one, and we are all like the Buddha’s sons. The thus come one constantly tells us that we are his sons. But because of the three sufferings, World-Honored One, in the midst of birth and death we undergo burning anxieties, delusions, and ignorance, delighting in and clinging to lesser doctrines. But today the world-honored one causes us to ponder carefully, to cast aside the doctrines that are the filth of frivolous debate."

Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 8:46PM
Steve Williams
Now I took the time to read this passage from page 120 to page 123. The first thing that came to mind was the son had not complete his journey in life, even after he found the one he seek.

A like different from The Buddha took a hard line on truth.

“One who feels no shame at telling a deliberate lie,” the Buddha told a monk after dramatically pouring out the contents of a dish, “has as much of a contemplative in them as this empty bowl” (MN 61, The Instructions to Rahula at Mango Stone). (The monk he was lecturing, by the way, was said to be his son, Rahula.)

Steve, I trust that you read this blogs material, is that correct?


Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 11:33PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Now I took the time to read this passage from page 120 to page 123. The first thing that came to mind was the son had not complete his journey in life, even after he found the one he seek.

That pairable you quoted is much different from the topic of this blog: The Buddha took a hard line on truth.

“One who feels no shame at telling a deliberate lie,” the Buddha told a monk after dramatically pouring out the contents of a dish, “has as much of a contemplative in them as this empty bowl” (MN 61, The Instructions to Rahula at Mango Stone). (The monk he was lecturing, by the way, was said to be his son, Rahula.)

Steve, I trust that you read this blogs material, is that correct?

Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 11:38PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Yes Ron, your trust is not misplaced. The Lotus Sutra is a Mahayana scripture and you are talking about a Theravada monk's story, a Theravada monk whom I'm sure you know nothing about. I'll bet you believe the cherry tree story too.

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 8:32AM
Steve Williams
What I can tell you is this Steve, the scripture you quoted has nothing to do with the one I posted. All you got to do is read and you too can see the difference, "READ THE DAMN THING STEVE."

Buddha, is talking about you LYING. You don't have to LIE like you do man.




Monday, November 16th 2020 at 11:11AM
Deacon Ron Gray
The Buddha like Jesus, is a product of human thought. Human fear and suffering is what leads us to the truth Ron.

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 11:16AM
Steve Williams
Steve, both of these religions are speaking the truth to you, for you to drop those lies of Trump's because that man don't care about you and the people of The United States told him and his boys, YOU ARE FIRED.

Stop backing those LIES and seek the truth and also work on yourself, this is what I get from reading both of these words together from Buddha, today.

We both have some work to do.

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 3:05PM
Deacon Ron Gray
My SGI associates like to call it, "A New Human Revolution." I think we have to begin by not being angry.

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 4:14PM
Steve Williams
Then, make it happen.


Monday, November 16th 2020 at 8:51PM
Deacon Ron Gray
What if it means I can't watch any more MSNBC? What if it means I can't watch the violent unprovoked attacks on peaceful Trump supporters in Washington D.C. on Saturday?

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 9:30PM
Steve Williams
Steve, the only soul you are trying to save is yours. That is a choice you have to make but if you make the wrong choice, you will never find peace.


Monday, November 16th 2020 at 9:39PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I'm definitely not trying to save my soul Ron. Peace on earth has nothing to do with the soul. We are human beings and every second of every day we have to decide what is profitable and what is not. I'm not afraid of anger Ron, are you?

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 10:35PM
Steve Williams
The time seems to be coming when force of arms will be required. It won't be the first time.

Monday, November 16th 2020 at 10:36PM
Steve Williams
Quick Question: Have you ever seen Happy Heathen?


Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 8:07AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Now I have. Buddhists aren't atheists Ron. We believe in a host of gods. Would you like me to name some? They're found throughout the Lotus Sutra. We not only believe in them, we pray to them.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 8:23AM
Steve Williams
I asked you a direct question, Have you ever seen a Happy Heathen?


Steve, you don't have to be a Buddhists to recognize a heathen. Shame on you.

Now answer the question: Have you ever seen a Happy Heathen?


Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 8:48AM
Deacon Ron Gray
I SAID: "NOW I HAVE." I looked it up. Don't be a jerk Ron. Keep your racial slurs to yourself.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 10:14AM
Steve Williams
Come on Steve, do you really think the word HEATHEN is racial?

WOW!!! You are so gloomy man, "SNAP OUT OF IT " Happiness transcend racial barriers in this life time of yours.

How far will you go to run from me and this question of: "Have you ever seen a Happy Heathen?'



Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 11:53AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Sure it's racial Ron. You think you're better than any happy heathen. By heathen you mean any race other than your own superior race.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 2:30PM
Steve Williams
You don't even know the definition of the word: HEATHEN, so why do you consider the word HEATHEN as being racial Steve?

Because according to every source I used at my finger tips say, that you are WRONG.

Maybe I missed the source that you are using Steve, can you send me a link at defines the word HEATHEN is racial?

Now the first time I asked you that question you tried your best to tell me what I think I mean. BUZZZZ!!!! "WRONG ANSWER."

So, when you get a chance, like on you NEXT reply, Tell me and the people here on Black In America, where is that link source you used to come up with that racial conclusion, OK!!!

I will be looking for it.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 3:02PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I will be expecting an apology.

Old English hæðen "not Christian or Jewish," also as a noun, "heathen man, one of a race or nation which does not acknowledge the God of the Bible" (especially of the Danes).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/heathen

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 3:39PM
Steve Williams
Steve, What makes this word HEATHEN a racial slurs in this life time of yours right NOW?

Let's look at what Webster has to say: Heathen adjective

Definition of heathen (Entry 1 of 2)

Let's look at the definition of heathen by The Free Dictionary

1: of or relating to people or nations that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible : of or relating to heathens (see HEATHEN entry 2 sense 1), their religions, or their customs : PAGAN
heathen rituals

2: STRANGE, UNCIVILIZED

NO racism here.

Let us check out The Thesaurus

Noun 1. heathen - a person who does not acknowledge your godheathen - a person who does not acknowledge your god

gentile, infidel, pagan

nonreligious person - a person who does not manifest devotion to a deity
paynim - a heathen; a person who is not a Christian (especially a Muslim)
idol worshiper, idolater, idoliser, idolizer - a person who worships idols

Adj. 1. heathen - not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
heathenish, pagan, ethnic irreligious - hostile or indifferent to religion

Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

No racism here

Etymology

From Middle English hethen, from Old English hǣþen, from Proto-West Germanic *haiþin, from Proto-Germanic *haiþinaz (“heathen, pagan”, adj), equivalent to heath (“heathland”) +‎ -en. Cognate with West Frisian heiden, Dutch heiden, Middle High German heiden, Swedish heden, Icelandic heiðinn.

Adjective
heathen (not comparable)

Not adhering to Christian religion; pagan.

(by extension) Uncultured; uncivilized; savage, philistine.
Alternative letter-case form of Heathen (pertaining or adhering to the Germanic neo-pagan faith Heathenry).

Steve, your definition from Online Etymology Dictionary dose not point to a racial slurs.

What race of people is being discriminated against with this so-call racial slurs that you are talking about?


Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 5:53PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The Han race.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 8:35PM
Steve Williams
Are you talking about the Han Chinese?


Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 8:53PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The Han ARE the Chinese. Like the Europeans in America.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 9:03PM
Steve Williams
OK!!! Steve The Han is NOT a race of people, The Mongolian is the races, I thought you knew that!!!

Here Mongolian races (northern Mongolian, Chinese and Indo-Chinese, Japanese and Korean, Tibetan, Malayan, Polynesian, Maori, Micronesian, Eskimo, American Indian)

Steve there is only three race of humans on this planet and that is The Negroid Race - Mongolian And Caucasian race.

Don't you ever tell that LIE about The Han being a race of people again. Steve, are you SLOW?


Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 10:04PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Don't be ridiculous Ron. The Han are descended from Peking Man.

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 10:12PM
Steve Williams
Under these three categories The Negroid - Mongolian And Caucasian, Best describes the Peking Man?




Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 12:06PM
Deacon Ron Gray
None of the above. Peking Man is Homo Erectus.

Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 12:17PM
Steve Williams
They were cousins of the Neanderthals.

Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 12:18PM
Steve Williams

What Did the Buddha Say About Lying?

SUBJECT

The Buddha took a hard line on truth..example of this comes from...Angulimala, the mass murderer

..If you are going to lie..it is better to just lie, rather than hiding behind façade of truthfulness.

..we would like to always tell the truth....most of us don’t. Buddhist tradition’s more realistic

commitment to avoid deception as much as possible

....By Matthew Gindin journalist....Correspondent for the Canadian Jewish News

Posted By: Deacon Ron Gray
Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 4:48PM
You can also click here to view all posts by this author...

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AND as always the deaCON goes WAY off in the WOODS....OFF offSUBJECT on his SUBJECT..LYING

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".....Steve there is only three race of humans on this planet and that is

The Negroid Race - Mongolian And Caucasian race.

Don't you ever tell that LIE about The Han being a race of people again. Steve, are you SLOW?.."

Tuesday, November 17th 2020 at 10:04PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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A canadian jew and a 'blackHebrewIsraelite' Writing and Pasting an article about Buddhists....?

...and then the deaCON goes euroCENTRIC with neanderthal paganConcepts of RACISM...?

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AGAIN deaCON for the 3,000,000,005th TIME

..."racist types" are a product of paganChristian RACISM...COLORED'whiteSupremacy'

0 ano domini -----> 2020 their is NO, Scientific cause to write....deaCON "three race of humans"

....This SUBJECT and deaCON OFF SUBJECT DOES'NT read like any TRUTH at all, to me...!



Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 3:05PM
robert powell
WOW... You are SLOW!!!! Steve, Homo Erectus (meaning ' upright man,') HUMAN and NOT a race of people. INTERESTING....

Because the first Homo Erectus (meaning ' upright man') came out of Africa about 2 million years ago, according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus


Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 6:15PM
Deacon Ron Gray
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Damn?!

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Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 7:19PM
Gregory Boulware, Esq.
Just sharing some knowledge of The History of Man Kind.


Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 8:23PM
Deacon Ron Gray
And Homo Erectus is as good a theory as your "Three Races".

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 4:48AM
Steve Williams

What Did the Buddha Say About Lying?

SUBJECT

The Buddha took a hard line on truth..example of this comes from...Angulimala, the mass murderer

..If you are going to lie..it is better to just lie, rather than hiding behind façade of truthfulness.

..we would like to always tell the truth....most of us don’t. Buddhist tradition’s more realistic

commitment to avoid deception as much as possible

....By Matthew Gindin journalist....Correspondent for the Canadian Jewish News

Posted By: Deacon Ron Gray
Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 4:48PM
You can also click here to view all posts by this author...

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AND as always the deaCON goes WAY off in the WOODS....OFF offSUBJECT on his SUBJECT..LYING

************************************************************************************************************

".....Steve there is only three race of humans on this planet and that is

The Negroid Race - Mongolian And Caucasian race.

....first Homo Erectus (meaning ' upright man') came out of Africa about 2 million years ago..."

Wednesday, November 18th 2020 at 6:15PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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A canadian jew and a 'blackHebrewIsraelite' Writing and Pasting an article about Buddhists....?

..deaCON goes 'COLOREDwhiteSupremist' thought paganRacism..'upright man'..of Africa..????

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AGAIN deaCON for the 3,000,000,007th TIME

...'upright man'..of Africa is ONLY paganChristian RACISM...COLORED'whiteSupremacy'

0 ano domini -----> 2020 their is NO, Scientific cause to write..deaCON 'upright man'..of Africa

...African Asian Monotheistic Scholarship and Science states Creator made Adaam(as)..!

This blag SUBJECT and deaCON OFF SUBJECT DOES'NT read like any TRUTH at all, to me...!

ps

I would change steve Quote....

deaCON Homo Erectus and "Three Races" is NOT TRUTH with BUDDHISTS or any AfricanAsians...




Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 9:31AM
robert powell
Steve, did you click on the link and read the definition on what was the Homo Erectus?


Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 11:07AM
Deacon Ron Gray
No Ron, I didn't click your link. I studied the subject of Peking Man in one of my books on Chinese history. Do you know what the Chinese say about it? Of course not.

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 1:58PM
Steve Williams
Click on the link Steve, to see what the definition of Homo Erectus according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus

Let's try it again.



Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 4:36PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Peking Man is "evidence that Homo erectus in the area that we now call China evolved independently into the modern Chinese people. This interpretation fits well into contemporary Chinese nationalist ideology..."
- Barry Sautman, "Peking Man", 95-124

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-asian-studies/article/peking-man-and-the-politics-of-paleoanthropological-nationalism-in-china/0F4F278C5F610F7B0F510982059E2540

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 5:49PM
Steve Williams
Steve did you click on the link YET, for the thirds time? Homo Erectus according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 8:19PM
Deacon Ron Gray
What's your point Ron? What makes the Chinese who they are, and what makes Chinese Buddhism nothing like what you describe? Do you know what feng shui is?

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 8:46PM
Steve Williams
Can you answer my question Steve?

Steve did you click on the link YET, for the Forth time? Homo Erectus according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus

Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 9:26PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Yes
Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 10:17PM
Steve Williams
If you did, what did you notice in the first sentence?


Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 10:45PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I lied.
Thursday, November 19th 2020 at 11:54PM
Steve Williams
You LIED about what Steve?


Friday, November 20th 2020 at 12:12AM
Deacon Ron Gray
I lied about nothing Ron.

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 4:17AM
Steve Williams
Until you give up your obsession about lying, there will be no useful conversation. That's what you want isn't it.

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 4:19AM
Steve Williams

As the LYING deaCON blag and BIA persona has shown; I agree with...

"....Until you give up your obsession about lying, there will be no useful conversation...."

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 4:19AM
Steve Williams

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AGAIN deaCON for the 3,000,000,007th TIME

...'upright man'..of Africa is ONLY paganChristian RACISM...COLORED'whiteSupremacy'

0 ano domini -----> 2020 their is NO, Scientific cause to write..deaCON 'upright man'..of Africa

...African Asian Monotheistic Scholarship and Science states Creator made Adaam(as)..!

This blag SUBJECT and deaCON OFF SUBJECT DOES'NT read like any TRUTH at all, to me...!

deaCON Homo Erectus and "Three Races" is NOT TRUTH with BUDDHISTS or any African Asians...

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 8:39AM
robert powell
ROBERTPOWELL, tell us what you get from this definition from Wikipedia’s of the word: “ Homo Erectus “ can you do that?


Friday, November 20th 2020 at 12:34PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Is that all you read Ron, some opinion about "an evoolutionary dead end"?

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 4:26PM
Steve Williams
Why is so difficult for you to click on and tell me and the people here on Black In America what you got out of that first sentence of the definition?: Homo Erectus according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus


Friday, November 20th 2020 at 5:50PM
Deacon Ron Gray

What Did the Buddha Say About Lying?

SUBJECT

The Buddha took a hard line on truth..example of this comes from...Angulimala, the mass murderer

..If you are going to lie..it is better to just lie, rather than hiding behind façade of truthfulness.

..we would like to always tell the truth....most of us don’t. Buddhist tradition’s more realistic

commitment to avoid deception as much as possible

....By Matthew Gindin journalist....Correspondent for the Canadian Jewish News

Posted By: Deacon Ron Gray
Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 4:48PM
You can also click here to view all posts by this author...

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always the deaCON goes WAY off in the WOODS....OF COLORED'whiteSupremistOpinion'

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'...ROBERT..tell us what you get from definition from Wikipedia’s of the word: “ Homo Erectus “ .."

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 12:34PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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Medical Definition of Homo erectus

...Homo erectus is Latin for erect

A primate believed to have been an extinct ancestor of modern humans being

A primate with erect stature, smaller brain (about 75% the size of humans)

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I Robert Powell am NOT a pagan Latin believer.

...(I don't see anything Human in the deaCON question- ONLY latin homo)

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....African Asian Monotheistic Belief states Adaam(as) was made Complete by Creator

I am an African Asian Monotheistic Believer of the Family of First Man, Adaam(as)

So Like many things euroCENTRIC, I am NOT a believer of Theories of Unknown 1 Million Year rocks



Friday, November 20th 2020 at 5:58PM
robert powell
I don't ask you want you believe in ROBERTPOWELL because this word Homo erectus is not in any African Asian Monotheistic Believer Book that I have read, how about you?


Friday, November 20th 2020 at 6:32PM
Deacon Ron Gray

What Did the Buddha Say About Lying?

SUBJECT

The Buddha took a hard line on truth..example of this comes from...Angulimala, the mass murderer

..If you are going to lie..it is better to just lie, rather than hiding behind façade of truthfulness.

..we would like to always tell the truth....most of us don’t. Buddhist tradition’s more realistic

commitment to avoid deception as much as possible.....

....By Matthew Gindin journalist....Correspondent for the Canadian Jewish News

Posted By: Deacon Ron Gray
Sunday, November 15th 2020 at 4:48PM
You can also click here to view all posts by this author...

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AGAIN for the 6th TIME at this blag...As deaCON is OFF deaCON SUBJECT again

...I have AGAIN won debate argument about deaCON LYING blag...deaCON is the Epitome of LYING

This SUBJECT and deaCON OFF SUBJECT...d i d ' n t...READ like any TRUTH at all, to me!

...deaCON PASTING of another COLORED'whiteSupremistOpinion'...euroCentric Opinion..LIKE:

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"....I don't ask you want you believe in ROBERTPOWELL because this word Homo erectus is not

in any African Asian Monotheistic Believer Book that I have read, how about you?..."

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 6:32PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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English Grammar... BREAKING NEWS....this deaCON writing ... question...whatever?

".....I don't ask you want you believe in ROBERTPOWELL...."

MAYBE ...deaCON writing ... question...whatever?.....SHOULD read in English:

".....I d i d ' n t ask you W H A T you believe in ROBERTPOWELL...."

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That deaCON is the definition of "BIA Preamble of stereotypical Misconception"... Belief....

....I, Robert Powell, do NOT believe that euroCENTRIC COLORED'whiteSupremacy' is correct

That euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' "homoErectus" is a LIE...and NOT Buddha Truthfulness

......AND

deaCON...COLORED'whiteSupremist' OPINON PASTING of "homoErectus"/"Three Races" is ONLY

SYSTEMIC RACISTLY IGNORANT Misconception to BUDDHISTS-All African Asian Monotheistic Belief

...the 4000 year History/Scholarship/Science of Africa Asia gives NO "homoErectus-Three Races" LIE


Saturday, November 21st 2020 at 9:37AM
robert powell
Medical Definition of Homo erectus

...Homo erectus is Latin for erect

A primate believed to have been an extinct ancestor of modern humans being

A primate with erect stature, smaller brain (about 75% the size of humans)

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 5:58PM
robert powell | delete | block member

Now Professor you are on the path of being CORRECT. Here's the definition according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus

Homo erectus (meaning 'upright man') is an extinct species of archaic human from the Pleistocene,

The Key word in this sentence is the word EXTINCT. Professor, where is my OPINON in this definition? This is FACT now prove me WRONG!!!

Where is the euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' in the word: "homoErectus" I missed it, point it out to me because I say that it's not THERE. Point it out to me so, the people of Black In America can see my ERROR, can you do the ROBERTPOWELL, on your very next reply, can you do that?

Now if you can't do that, then you are showing me and the people here on Black In America that you are WRONG as hell about this euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' BULL 💩 of yours, that you can't break free from.




Saturday, November 21st 2020 at 4:51PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Medical Definition of Homo erectus

...Homo erectus is Latin for erect

A primate believed to have been an extinct ancestor of modern humans being

A primate with erect stature, smaller brain (about 75% the size of humans)

Friday, November 20th 2020 at 5:58PM
robert powell | delete | block member

Now Professor you are on the path of being CORRECT. Here's the definition according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus

Homo erectus (meaning 'upright man') is an extinct species of archaic human from the Pleistocene,

The Key word in this sentence is the word EXTINCT. Professor, where is my OPINON in this definition? This is FACT now prove me WRONG!!!

Where is the euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' in the word: "homoErectus" I missed it, point it out to me because I say that it's not THERE. Point it out to me so, the people of Black In America can see my ERROR, can you do that ROBERTPOWELL, on your very next reply, can you do that?

Now if you can't do that, then you are showing me and the people here on Black In America that you are WRONG as hell about this euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' BULL 💩 of yours, that you can't break free from.

Now point out this euroPEON COLORED'whiteSupremist' BULL 💩 of yours, that you say that I am promoting and if you can't do that, confess you was an ERROR and if you can't do that, "DISMISS YOURSELF FROM THIS BLOG, FOR LYING about this subject.. OK!!!!






Saturday, November 21st 2020 at 5:00PM
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