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Trump's impeachment trial asks whether American democracy has a future
The two sides were miles apart in tone and substance. And yet the outcome still isn't in doubt.

By Hayes Brown, MSNBC Opinion Columnist
Tuesday hurt more than expected. I knew the House impeachment managers intended to show video from Jan. 6 as part of former President Donald Trump's trial. I just didn't think it would happen so soon.

Senate leadership had agreed to set the first day of the trial aside for the parties to debate whether it was constitutional to try an impeached president, the preferred question for the Republican caucus. The fireworks would come later, I thought.

Instead, what followed over the next four hours was a stark delineation between two versions of America: On one hand, the confusing alternative version of reality that overwhelmed the country under Trump's presidency; on the other, a fact-based appeal to the better angels of our nature and the rule of law. That there was even a choice says unfortunate things for the country's future.

The lead impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., spoke for only three minutes before he played a 13 minute video interspersing Trump's incendiary speech to his supporters with the violence those supporters wrought on the U.S. Capitol.

It was a gut-wrenching recap. Even though the nation had watched it all play out live, even though I was glued to Twitter throughout the 7½-hour siege, it was still astonishing to see the strands of video stitched together. The steady drip of new video on the day of the attack didn't overwhelm the psyche the way this video did.

But it wasn't the most emotional moment Tuesday. That came from Raskin himself. Before he turned the floor over to the former president's lawyers, Raskin recounted his experience of events on Jan. 6 to the senators sitting at their desks.

He told them how he had just buried his son the day before but needed to perform his constitutional duty by voting to accept the presidential electoral votes. He told them about the fear he felt as the rioters pounded on the House Chamber door. He told them that his daughter and son-in-law had crouched under desks, sending texts that they thought could be their last.

Then Raskin told the Senate about his daughter's reaction after they were reunited. Only then did his voice break. "I told her how sorry I was, and I promised her it would not be like this again, next time she came back to the Capitol with me," he said.

"'Dad, I don't want to come back to the Capitol,'" Raskin said she responded. It took him a moment to compose himself again.

"Of all the terrible brutal things I saw and I heard on that day and since then, that one hit me the hardest," Raskin said. "That and watching someone use an American flagpole, with the flag still on it, to spear and pummel one of our police officers, mercilessly, ruthlessly."

If the video he introduced was a solemn, unwavering compilation of the contempt for democracy that Trump harnesses and amplified, I'm willing to say Raskin embodied the apotheosis. In ways that Trump himself never managed in four years as president, the congressman from Maryland, a former law professor, was overwhelmed with his devotion to the small-d democratic ideal.

After a 10-minute recess, Bruce Castor, one of Trump's attorneys, followed with an understated dismissal of Raskin's emotionality. The Senate, he implied in his 48-minute speech, was made of better stuff than to let raw feelings dictate its judgment. His partner, David Schoen, then proceeded to berate the senators while waving around a heavily indexed copy of the Constitution.

And yet, despite Raskin's appeals, despite the clear and compelling arguments that Reps. David Cicilline and Joe Neguse presented, it was painful to see Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana become the only GOP member to change his mind. He joined five other Republicans and all 50 Democrats to decide that, yes, it is constitutional to try a former president.

It's true that impeachment is a political act. But contrary to the argument of Republicans who suggest that it's being used as a fiendish weapon against Trump, it just means that it's intended to punish crimes against the body politic, crimes like those the former president committed in the weeks after the election, leading up to Jan. 6.

As it stands, 44 Republicans refuse to see that this case is about something more basic and foundational than "what does this mean for us politically." Specifically, it is asking them what accountability looks like in a country where the leaders come from among the people and are answerable to them. What price should be paid when leaders, like Trump, try to erase that notion?

Those are the questions the impeachment managers will ask to try to convince 17 Republicans starting Wednesday, the first of two days they have to lay out their case. It's an uphill climb, but in the end, every senator will be put on the record answering whether he or she thinks the future of democracy in America looks like Jamie Raskin — or Donald Trump.
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This paragraph cought my eye.

If the video he introduced was a solemn, unwavering compilation of the contempt for democracy that Trump harnesses and amplified, I'm willing to say Raskin embodied the apotheosis. In ways that Trump himself never managed in four years as president, the congressman from Maryland, a former law professor, was overwhelmed with his devotion to the small-d democratic ideal.

Thursday, February 11th 2021 at 8:34PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Nobody can say, what the small-d democratic ideal is. Least of all Jamie Raskin.

Thursday, February 11th 2021 at 8:55PM
Steve Williams
Freedom for all of the people Steve and not just The White Supremacist Steve all of the people and that is NO SECRET.


Thursday, February 11th 2021 at 9:21PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Freedom for white supremacists? Really Ron? I don't get that feeling at all. You don't know what democracy is.

Friday, February 12th 2021 at 11:12AM
Steve Williams
I'm watching these jokers on msnbc and they're crapping their depends. You really screwed up with your baseless accusations and they're already realizing it and the defense hasn't even started.You've only got a single republican on board with your bs, same as the first time you pulled this stunt.


Friday, February 12th 2021 at 11:18AM
Steve Williams
Those are the people TRUMP USED, LIED too, people like you, who put their trust in him, people who believed in him.

"NO!!!" I 'm not joking.

‘Jews will not replace us’: Why white supremacists go after Jews

Jews will not replace us. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08/14/jews-will-not-replace-us-why-white-supremacists-go-after-jews/

Fact Check: The ‘6 Million Wasn’t Enough’ shirt wasn’t from the Capitol siege https://forward.com/fast-forward/461761/fact-check-the-6-million-wasnt-enough-shirt-wasnt-from-the-capitol-siege/

Friday, February 12th 2021 at 3:25PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, you should ask yourself why YOU go after white supremacists. This is their country too and you can't deny them their freedom, same as you grant yourself. You're no better than they are.

Friday, February 12th 2021 at 11:19PM
Steve Williams
Steve, look 👀 around you man, those were heathens who took Siege to the U.S. Capitol Building. The same people that was referred to in both of those links, CORRECT?




Saturday, February 13th 2021 at 5:28AM
Deacon Ron Gray
You are the heathen Ron. The Anons were following Q, not Trump and the Q people have nothing to do with white supremacy. White supremacy had no importance in what happened at the Capitol . It's a total red herring. You will burn in hell if you don't wake up soon and see the truth.

Saturday, February 13th 2021 at 9:54AM
Steve Williams
See what I’m talking about, this superiority thing you got going on. Steve, that is NOT your decision if I go to hell or not. You can stay in place and that is NOT in Your self important role as LORD.




Saturday, February 13th 2021 at 9:15PM
Deacon Ron Gray
You brought up the heathens, correct Ron? What does that make you?

Saturday, February 13th 2021 at 10:47PM
Steve Williams
You don't have to be Lord to recognize a heathen Steve.

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 12:02AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Right.

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 12:19AM
Steve Williams
As it stands, 44 Republicans refuse to see that this case is about something more basic and foundational than "what does this mean for us politically." Specifically, it is asking them what accountability looks like in a country where the leaders come from among the people and are answerable to them. What price should be paid when leaders, like Trump, try to erase that notion?

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 12:37AM
Deacon Ron Gray
My advice to you Ron, is to forget about Trump. Nothing good will come from continuing your obsession.

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 12:45PM
Steve Williams
What price should be paid when leaders, like Trump, Who tried to erase The Will of The People, in his failed attempt at a modern-day coup?


Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 3:44PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, what about this lie you people are telling that this was the "most 'bipartisan' impeachment ever?" It's not at all bipartisan.

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 7:11PM
Steve Williams
This is why Steve, now pay attention. The first time X President Trump was impeached only 1 Republican voted to convict. Now you have seven Republicans crossed over this time, Steve.

Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, This is the reason why this was the "most 'bipartisan' impeachment ever.

Now, Steve, do you think that I am still lying? If so, what makes you say that? On your next reply, show me your proof.


Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 7:57PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Bipartisanship requires consensus Ron. The Senate has NEVER had consensus on impeachment. And as the "911 style commission" procedes over 2021 and beyond you will find out the truth you never imagined. You were wrong as hell and you need to leave Trump alone. And drop your bipartisan lies. There is no bipartisanship and it will be a long time before Congress even comes close. Pelosi is out of control and that is indisputable.

Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 9:14PM
Steve Williams
Steve, are you denying these seven Republicans, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and your very own boy Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania that joined with the DEMS, Steve?


Sunday, February 14th 2021 at 10:09PM
Deacon Ron Gray
No Ron, I'm not denying SEVEN Republicans voted for Impeachment. You need SEVENTEEN to convict. In other words, a conviction requires bipartisanship. Only if you get to two-thirds of the Senate can you legitimately claim bipartisanship.

Monday, February 15th 2021 at 9:07AM
Steve Williams
Wow man! Why are you trying to twist the meaning of what I said:

"Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, This is the reason why this was the "most 'bipartisan' impeachment ever."

I said: This is the reason why this was the "most 'bipartisan' impeachment ever." Just to make sure you get it, the KEY WORDS in this sentence is: "THE MOST BIPARTISAN IMPEACHMENT EVER...."

Now would you agree with that Steve?


Monday, February 15th 2021 at 3:50PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, out of 12 jurors how many are needed to convict?

Monday, February 15th 2021 at 6:04PM
Steve Williams
I am NOT talking about conviction Steve. What I am' talking about is there was MORE Republicans voting with The Dem's to convict, than it was for the first IMPEACHMENT.

I said: This is the reason why this was the "most 'bipartisan' impeachment ever." Just to make sure you get it, the KEY WORDS in this sentence is: "THE MOST BIPARTISAN IMPEACHMENT EVER...."

Steve, More Republicans came to impeach X president 45 than ever before, Now would you agree with that Steve?



Monday, February 15th 2021 at 8:54PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I agree that your stunt met with failure. again Ron. The impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution has been proven to be less than worthless.. There will never be a case where the President is convicted and removed. Impeachment has only ever served partisan purposes and only ever will.

Monday, February 15th 2021 at 10:52PM
Steve Williams
Now you want to talk about the failure of The impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution. I see that you are all over the place, WOW!!!

What price should be paid when leaders, like Trump, Who tried to erase The Will of The People, in his failed attempt at a modern-day coup?




Monday, February 15th 2021 at 11:04PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Trump acted to Protect the Constitution. But in the end your corruption of the 2020 election wiill stand it seems.

Monday, February 15th 2021 at 11:11PM
Steve Williams
Are you talking about by LYING that MOB that took Seige to The U.S. Capital, killed a Capital Police, Who shout Hang PENCE, are you talking about the "Q" Anon, The Proud Boys, and those other white supremacy group's who believed the LIE 45 told them, Steve?








Monday, February 15th 2021 at 11:27PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The Constitution was violated many times in the 2020 election, is what I'm talking about Ron.

Monday, February 15th 2021 at 11:40PM
Steve Williams
You need to just shut-up talking that BS, because I have asked you for proof that, and you have come up with nothing but a LIE 45, told you and people like you.

Let that LIE GO, STEVE?


Tuesday, February 16th 2021 at 12:13AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Pennsylvania is my state and I know what happened here Ron. You don't.

Tuesday, February 16th 2021 at 12:49AM
Steve Williams
I did remember to Thank You for your hard work in certifying the 2020 presidential elections in Pennsylvania?

Hey Steve, right now today as you read this, Who is the president of the united states of America?


Tuesday, February 16th 2021 at 9:11PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I just heard on Lawrence O'Donnell that PA will have a new method for selecting Supreme Court judges this next election.

Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 1:53AM
Steve Williams
That’s good. Hey Steve, right now today as you read this, Who is the president of the united states of America?
Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 4:48AM
Deacon Ron Gray
It IS good Ron. Our last election for judges was in 2017. I voted but as you can imagine, on an off-off year not too many FOLKS were paying attention. That was when we got a majority Democrat Supreme Court that became part of the rigged 2020 election. So this coming 2021 election is extremely important as we will be electing judges again.

Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 1:58PM
Steve Williams
What is the matter Steve, you did not see my question to you:

"Steve, right now today as you read this, Who is the president of the united states of America?"


Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 3:22PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I answered once and said the President as we sit here today is the 45th President, Donald Trump. What do you hope to gain Ron if I said Joe Biden? I wouldn't meaan it. That man should NOT be our 46th President. He's leading the U.S.A. straight to hell.

Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 6:55PM
Steve Williams
With Bidens 65% Approval Rating of The American People already, which is something X President 45 never had.

Steve, when the people of The United States of America FIRED X President 45, he was at 38.6% Approval Rating and
Steve, that means FIRED X President 45 Dissaprovel rating was at 57.95 and now you are concerned about way the country is headed, WOW!!! (LAUGHING REALLY HARD AT THAT BULL💩)

How unpopular is Donald Trump https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Steve, I see that you are still in denial after you have been shown the truth but yet, you still want to believe in that LIE. WOW!!!

What I can't understand is, why would you believe in something that has been proven to a LIE and you can't
prove the evidence that I put in front of your face is not the FACTS?

Do you know why Steve, it is because you can NOT prove a LIE.


Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 9:12PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The 62% approval rating is fake news Ron. Or put another way, with Biden in charge, everyone except FOX is Biden's private State Media, stinking propaganda outlets.

Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 9:12PM
Steve Williams
Do you want some cheese to go with that whine?

Steve, that means FIRED X President 45 Dissaprovel rating was at 57.95 when he was FIRED but yet you wanted to keep him. WOW!!! That is SAD.




Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 9:39PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Believe the fake stats if it makes you feel better Ron. Poor baby, still afraid of Trump.

Wednesday, February 17th 2021 at 11:03PM
Steve Williams
It’s the LIES OF That X President Steve and people like you, that will go into action on your own, thinking you are apart of that liars plan but it is you and those other fools like you will pay the price for being used by 45.


Thursday, February 18th 2021 at 12:58AM
Deacon Ron Gray
I'm paying the price under Biden for sure Ron. Not for Trump's lies but for all the FOLKS like you for whom Trump is too forceful and direct. He hurt your little feelings and I am paying the price.

Thursday, February 18th 2021 at 10:29AM
Steve Williams
Not according to last weeks, Approval rating polled Biden at 62%.

The only price that you are paying is in your head because the Majority of Americans feel good about the country's direction under THE BIDEN - HARRIS administration.




Thursday, February 18th 2021 at 6:47PM
Deacon Ron Gray
He, you, THEY are coming for our guns. That's not acceptable Ron.

Thursday, February 18th 2021 at 7:06PM
Steve Williams
Steve, What do having a 62% Presidential Approval Rating means?




Thursday, February 18th 2021 at 9:01PM
Deacon Ron Gray
It means that the press is on Biden's team. They work for him.

Friday, February 19th 2021 at 11:03AM
Steve Williams
Steve, the press is polling the American people and with 62% Presidential Approval Rating means the American people are on Biden's team, that who they work for.


Friday, February 19th 2021 at 2:07PM
Deacon Ron Gray
And you claim to be the authority on gaslighting. What a joke.

Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 12:44AM
Steve Williams
If you have 62 cents and your buddy has 45 cents, who has the most money, you or your buddy?


Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 9:00AM
Deacon Ron Gray
If your buddy says he has 62 cents in his pocket and you believe him you're stupid.

Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 10:25AM
Steve Williams
I don't have to believe him Steve, I know what I got in my pocket and that is all that counts. GET IT!!!






Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 11:19AM
Deacon Ron Gray
You have no idea how THEY arrived at 62%
Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 12:57PM
Steve Williams
Bottom line Ron, you believe it and I don't. Too bad if you don't like it. You can never change my mind. Biden is a hoax.

Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 1:05PM
Steve Williams
YOUR WORDS: "Too bad if you don't like it. You can never change my mind. Biden is a hoax.

MY REPLY: Steve, even if I put the FACTS, right in front of you?

Brothers and Sisters meet Steve Williams.


Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 5:00PM
Deacon Ron Gray
62% isn't a FACT. BIA, meet Ron the dupe who will believe anything. Ron, there's not the least doubt the press hates Trump but they love Biden. That's the difference between 40 percent and 60 percent. But both are lies.

Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 6:52PM
Steve Williams
Prove it, Steve, in your next reply, show me why BIDENS 62% approval rating isn't a FACT.

Biden Hits 62% Approval, Higher First Rating Than Past 4 Presidents https://www.newsmax.com/politics/biden-approval-rating-cnbc-economic-survey/2021/02/11/id/1009619/

Show me your evidence Steve.






Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 7:07PM
Deacon Ron Gray
The burden of proof is on you Ron. Biden makes you warm and fuzzy, as sick as that may sound. Everyone is insecure about your warm fuzzies so saying 62% pumps you up and gives you something to crow about. It has about the same significance as a murder of crows. Have you ever heard a murder of crows Ron? Does Chicago even have crows?

Saturday, February 20th 2021 at 7:45PM
Steve Williams
In comparison to what X President 45's here take a look. How unpopular is Donald Trump?

An updating calculation of the president's approval rating, accounting for each poll's quality, recency, sample size and partisan lean. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

45 never did recover from this dismal 38.6 Approval rating when TRUMP was FIRED. WOW!!!


Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 10:12AM
Deacon Ron Gray
American democracy has a future. TRUMP!!

Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 11:23AM
Steve Williams
Not according to The American people. Why are you fighting against the will of The People Steve?


Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 11:39AM
Deacon Ron Gray
It's not up to the American people Ron, it's up to the 50 states. 2024 or bust!


Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 12:01PM
Steve Williams
Do you understand what you are saying? YOUR WORDS: "It's not up to the American people Ron."

MY REPLY: Who do you think stood in those long lines at the polling place, using the power of the Vote, Steve PEOPLE or STATES?

In your sick mind, you believe that the loser of the race, is the winner, like in the case of 45.

You can even answer this question: "Steve, right now today as you read this, Who is the president of the united states of America?"






Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 12:34PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Your problem Ron is who you think of as "the American people". You can't exclude me and 75 million like-minded Americans from "the American people." In 2024 we'll need 270 Electoral votes and this time we won't let you cheat.

Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 12:42PM
Steve Williams
In this country, you can believe in a LIE. Steve, X President 45 has a future as a senior citizen dealing with the courts in The State of New York and in Georgia for his actions.





Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 12:43PM
Deacon Ron Gray
We don't believe that just because you say something is a lie it is.

Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 2:00PM
Steve Williams
Who are you speaking for when you say "WE?"

X President 45 was already under investigation for his dealings in New York with his taxes.

I know You remember these words don't you?

"
"All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state," Trump said during the phone call, first revealed by The Washington Post. Steve, that happen in Georgia for his actions and both of those states Attorneys got good cases and in Georgia, you can hear TRUMP in action.

Steve, is that FAKE NEWS when you have evidence like that?



Sunday, February 21st 2021 at 9:20PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Who is we? It looks like you answered your own question Ron.

Just 17 Percent Of Trump Voters Think Biden Legitimately Elected | Morning Joe | MSNBC
http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi?blog_id=363221&cid=10
Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 11:12AM
Steve Williams
The good thing about all of this is STEVE, I am only talking directly to you and NO-ONE else. What is the matter Steve, you can't talk as one person and now you feel like you need help, I AGREE.

Steve, did this come right out of the mouth of X President 45?

"All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,"

You do remember that phone call don't you?




Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 11:40AM
Deacon Ron Gray
If you prefer Ron, I "don't believe that just because you say something is a lie it is."

Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 1:12PM
Steve Williams
Do you remember this or not: "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,"

You do remember that phone call don't you Steve?












Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 3:15PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Let's talk about 'the big lie" Ron.

Statement on the Continuing Political Persecution of President Donald J. Trump

https://t.me/real_DonaldJTrump/13386

Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 5:23PM
Steve Williams
Steve, you are running your as- off today, when you don't have to.

Steve, why can't you answer my question?

Do you remember this or not: "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,"

You do remember that phone call don't you Steve?



Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 5:29PM
Deacon Ron Gray
My question is more basic. Ron, you have no proof of this thing you call the Big Lie. Trump did nothing wrong in Georgia or anywhere. The 2020 election was a fraud and that's the truth not a lie. The President has a miillion followers already and that's just the beginning. All eyes will be on the real Donald Trump on February 28.

Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 6:00PM
Steve Williams
Yeah... You remember that call and you heard 45 X President said these words: "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,"

Now ask yourself this question, Why would a Republican President talk to a Republican Secretary of State like that, if he knew that 45 was winning the State of Georgia.

Steve, 45 knew then, that he had lost that race in Georgia by a landslide but behind the scene 45 knew that he was talking to a fellow republican and it sounds like 45 was asking Georgia's Republican Secretary of State to break the LAW by subverting the will of The people of Georgia.

Don't you give a damn about that Steve? That is THE BIG LIE.


Monday, February 22nd 2021 at 6:44PM
Deacon Ron Gray
It was just the opposite of breaking the law Ron. It was part of Trump's duty to defend the Constitution and that was to guarantee the security of our elections.

Tuesday, February 23rd 2021 at 2:31AM
Steve Williams
Steve, Now ask yourself this question, Why would a Republican President talk to a Republican Secretary of State like that, if he knew that 45 was won the State of Georgia?




Tuesday, February 23rd 2021 at 2:31PM
Deacon Ron Gray
There was a problem with signature verification on mail-in ballots. The Republican Secretary of State was being stupid about it.

Tuesday, February 23rd 2021 at 5:14PM
Steve Williams
You still have not presented any proof of your claims in court. Now remember Trump's team got thrown out 60 courts with that very same unfounded claim.

Still Crying Steve?


Tuesday, February 23rd 2021 at 7:56PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, there were many, a multitude, of media reports about how miniscule the ballot signature rejection rate was. The burden of proof is on you to explain that data and you haven't even tried.

Wednesday, February 24th 2021 at 12:02AM
Steve Williams
The proof is already in and Trump has been FIRED by the people of The United States of America. I don’t have to try to prove a thing, when The FACTS is clear, Trump is OUT and he is A citizen of the United States. Now he can be charged in New York and in Georgia for his Offenses.

Hey Steve, can you say this is President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris administration, Steve?


Wednesday, February 24th 2021 at 4:02AM
Deacon Ron Gray
Hey Ron, can you say ,Trump beat impeachment twice? It's very gratifying to see you are still terrified of him.

Wednesday, February 24th 2021 at 11:01AM
Steve Williams
TRUMP BEAT IMPEACHMENT TWICE but Republican Moscow Mitch said he has not got away with a thing, NOT YET!

By the way Steve, TRUMP is the only president in the history of this nation who has been impeachment twice for DUCKIN up. We can put that page behind us now, TRUMP is now in U.S. History with that unique title.


Wednesday, February 24th 2021 at 1:03PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Trump could also be the first President elected to non-consecutive terms AND impeached twice. That would be cool.

Saturday, February 27th 2021 at 7:22PM
Steve Williams
I doubt that Steve, Trump will also be wearing an orange Jump-Suit too as the only X President to do so, That would be Justice.


Saturday, February 27th 2021 at 7:47PM
Deacon Ron Gray
It's true you have no respect for the Presidency. If Trump is the first one persecuted after leaving office, he won't be the last. So much for your NORMS.

Saturday, February 27th 2021 at 10:17PM
Steve Williams
NO! Steve, I believe and have a great deal of respect for the Office of The Presidency of The United States of America, that I answered this Nation's Call to Duty in Respect.

Remember when I said: "That you can not prove a lie?"

This is the same train of thought back when Hitler was using that power of repeating a LIE. "Hitler said: “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

I believe you when you said That you are a soldier for TRUMP, that believes in THE LIE. To this date, I asked you why do you believe TRUMP, where is the proof you saw that makes you believe TRUMP'S BIG LIE?

WHY STEVE?
Sunday, February 28th 2021 at 2:30PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Ron, was there ever another President who was hounded after he left office, by the opposing sitting Party?

Sunday, February 28th 2021 at 2:36PM
Steve Williams
In another few minutes you get payback.

Sunday, February 28th 2021 at 2:38PM
Steve Williams
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