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In defense of Ebonics. (1054 hits)

I know a few people especially you college educated sadity people whom think you know every damm thing got an issue with Ebonics. It's always sad to see some of our people try to keep us down with their arrogance. Dialects exist in almost every language upon Earth. The Black American experience having come from African Slaves whom pretty much spoke with a tongue that was not an European dialect therefore spoke English in a way not European. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that one. Many English books I'm read concerning American Dialects list Black American as it's on seperate dialect and list their origins in Africa for the reasons why. I know alot of Southern Blacks and Blacks whom speak with so-called Ebonics whom are very educated and some are very wealthy business people...i.e Master P.

Also Slaves were segregated from the rest of the master's society and therefore learning English always more than likely learned it second hand. And seeing that they outlawed slaves reading it was even more second hand recieved and slaves mimmiced what they thought a word sounded like to them in their native tongue. Black Americans speak with more raspiness in our voices as some Whites speak from their nastrals. Most of this comes from Atomosperic pressure and lower altitudes in the South making Southerners sound more with a draw and with Blacks it's our added cultural inheritance coming from Africa where most of languages are spoken with raspiness. This affects North and South of the U.S and well as North and South hemispheres of the planet.

What prevails me is you whom have education don't use it at all. You went to school and learned to speak correctly so you believe and then you use that to attack others of your own kind whom speak typical Black American tongue. How could you do that? Nearly every social class in the U.S speaks some sort of internal dialect limited to their social circles. It is more profuse with us because we are the class that is locked out of the wealth and power. Also our music which is the most popular music drives the pop culture in America where our Ebonics is pushed out over the airwaves day and night. There's no comparing Blacks with Whites or others in Enlish usage people of the wealth and power class are mostly Whites therefore Whites mimmic their rich and wealthy brothers and sisters though they may be poor but it's not always true some speak trailer trash or back country. You noble Blacks whom are blessed to have education need to stop looking down on your own people and start looking up because there's where the competition is. Stop acting like cowardly bullies picking on your own kind with your blessed education and good upbringing. Be a part of the solution and not the part of the damm problem.

Stop downing your own kind. We are in this condition simply because we refuse unite and love ourselves. Language and how we look has nothing to do it. Even education doesn't play that major of a part when you consider without education we could still be nearly to our goals if we just loved ourselves. Stop self hate.
Posted By: John Washington
Saturday, November 7th 2009 at 5:51AM
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John, very good observation about raspiness This is one of the difficulties to my understanding when combined with the phrasing.

Saturday, November 7th 2009 at 9:39AM
Steve Williams
Why so much passion in your blog Brother John? I don't think the people who emphasized using 'So called Standard English' meant any harm to those of us who don't. I think they would like Black Americans to advance and therefore may feel that the language is a major key outside of being educated. Just my two cents... great blog by the way.
Saturday, November 7th 2009 at 10:07AM
Jen Fad
There is a very practical aspect to the Ebonics debate that no one ever mentions. So, let me break it down in very simple terms.
1. English is the language of Commerce and those who master Proper English have the greatest access to MONEY. So, you want to skip school and start your own business. That’s fine, but you will find few banks (black or white) that will support you with a business loan with your Business Plan written or spoken to the loan officer in EBONICS. I hear people complaining all of the time about how foreigners come in from other countries and easily get loans to start their businesses in our communities and everywhere else. These immigrants understand that English is the language of Commerce and work harder to speak it write it better than any of our folks, native to the United States, Black, White or other! And, in your language “ … I Ain’t Mad attum!”
2. Research has indicated that POOR LITERACY SKILLS are a primary reason that so many of our African American Males do not graduate high school and end up in JAIL. As of a few years ago, more than 9 states were using 3rd and 4th grade reading test scores to plan for how many additional PRISON BEDS they would need 12 years out. So what does this have to do with EBONICS? The foundation for our kids to learn English comes from what they hear at home. Some studies have revealed Low income and Minority kids start school with a vocabulary of about 500 words, where their higher income White counterparts begin with about 5000 words. Bottom line – KIDS CANNOT LEARN HOW TO READ EFFECTIVELY IF THE SOUNDS THEY HEAR AT HOME FOR WORDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE SOUNDS TEACHERS ARE TRYING TO TEACH KIDS FOR THE RIGHT WORDS. Kids continuously exposed to EBONICS have to work harder to translate the language that they are EXPECTED to learn that gives them true access to resources of our economy…MONEY! Try a little experiment. SPEAK EBONICS INTO A COMPUTER WITH SPEECH RECOGNITION SOFTWARE AND SEE WHAT IT PRINTS OUT. THEN HAVE A 3RD GRADER TRY TO READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT! I saw a mother do this with her child and then began to cry when she realized how the way she talked was impacting her child’s ability to READ!
3. I respect your position and understand that you may be looking to preserve a piece of our culture. But, realistically, no group should try to preserve any part of their culture that does not serve them. AND, EBONICS CLEARLY DOES NOT SERVE AFRICAN AMERICANS AS A GENERAL FORM OF LANGUAGE. It would be acceptable to me if it remained a segment of “The Arts,” as long as we continue to grow Arts Vehicles that also serves to promote mastery of proper English, our current Language of Commerce. It is my hope that you can see from my point of view that Ebonics, in its current state, is crippling our people. When we have all of the money, we can create and use any language that we want! “WE AIN’T THERE YET!”
4. It is my hope that you are not turning other people off from pursuing college or other higher education options. The experience truly can open up more opportunities and possibilities for success in life. I was 43 when I graduated and experienced tremendous growth as a result. I respect that it was your choice not to do so. I will tell, you, however, that my experience in college facilitated my ability to craft this response to your call to support Ebonics.
5. Our ancestors understood that READING, WRITING and UNDERSTANDING ENGLISH WAS THE GATEWAY TO TRUE FREEDOM (Read Frederick Douglass' Autobiography.) Put simply, from my perspective, PROMOTION OF EBONICS IS PROMOTION OF SLAVERY.
Raymond Lucas, President, 100 Black Men of Maryland, Inc.

Saturday, November 7th 2009 at 10:41AM
Raymond Lucas
There is a time and place for everything. I like to believe we all know that. Fact is Black English Venacular is a language and meets all of the rules as such. It is non-standard english not sub-standard english. Even the British do not consider the standard english we use in this country as proper english.

With all do respect to Mr. Lucas, I have read the book of which you mentioned, including so many more by W.E. Dubois, Booker T and the like. I will say, that the way it was introduced into that particular school system was greatly inappropriate and why the teacher claimed the justification of such in a class room. The truthful history about Black English Venacular could have been taught, but it should have also been stressed that in Corporate White American the usage of Standard English will be far more accepted. **Side Note** Mr. Lucas, I absolutely love what your organization does and wish there was a chapter here in Atlantic City, NJ.
Saturday, November 7th 2009 at 2:26PM
Marquerite Burgess
Hello Mr. Lucas,

The gist of your comment is wonderful. Mr. Amos yours is good too.

Black Americans who are descendents of slaves has been extremely ravished by slavery. Nevertheless, being a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery English is Black America’s original language and must be spoken properly. Language is a means of communication. The language that has the most words and spoken properly inherently gives that particular people an advantage to advance in life over other people with different languages. In other words, a language that has the most words could describe things that other languages may have to resort to other ways such as hands, motions or drawing to communicate the same thought.

However, as much as you impress me Mr. Lucas that Ebonics should be considered an Art and you are right, however I want to make this point. Psychologically and subliminally speaking I see that you may feel that Black America’s survival is within the world of White America and its commerce. I picked this notion up from the spirit of how you expressed the nonsense of Ebonics.

To continue in this frame of mind you would never develop the thought that Black Americans must come to the realization of being a sovereign people or having complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.

Mr. Lucas I would like you to consider what life would be for Black Americans if we were a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.

Incidentally, I use voice recognition software and speak through a microphone. Ebonics is certainly not compatible.

Tell me what you think.

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 4:18AM
Harry Watley
Hello Harry,

I could write voice recognition software that would be compatible with Ebonics.

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 6:43AM
Steve Williams
And this is not an idle statement. I have been a software developer for 30 years and my specialty was telecommunications. So if your software does not recognize Ebonics, does that have anything to do with white America?

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 6:50AM
Steve Williams
Reponse only to Jen Fad,

I think the black who stress Standard English don't mean harm intentionally. I'm referring also to the class mindset of Uppity Blacks whom compete downwards at their struggling people instead of upwards towards the Elite ranks. They have reached a glass ceiling and can't go any higher with their diquised self hatred in the form of education and advancing.
Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 8:41AM
John Washington
Standard English, Standard Fulani, Standard Arabic, Standard French, Standard Tegrinya; human beings communicate--

Americans succeed in America and produce succeeding families with educated English language when they leave their homes.

The Greatest English Speaker in the History of America is Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama.
Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 9:47AM
robert powell
He is definitely the Greatest English Speaker in America 2009.

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 10:49AM
Steve Williams
Irma, a teaching moment?

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 12:25PM
Steve Williams
Yes Irma, it is just plain old everyday common sense. As to the fear in humankind, one must come to understand ego.

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 1:35PM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,

You said this, “could write voice recognition software that would be compatible with Ebonics.”

Steve, the point I am trying to get across is that Ebonics is not a way I want Black Americans to communicate. When we become a sovereign people, we cannot be greeting diplomats with Ebonics language.

Tell me what you think.

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 8:11PM
Harry Watley
You people are idiots. Ebonics was introduced to Black kids in California to speed up the learning process when teachers noticed Ebonics was the language used at home and therefore understand and communicated in faster. As I've said Ebonics is a combination of Standard American English and African Dialect now infused with American pop culture. It's a lot more complex than most of you are making it yet still too simple to be getting attacked by you over extreme fools. Sub-languages and dialects persist everywhere without your permissions. Idiots.
Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 8:42PM
John Washington
Hello Harry,

I know what your point is. But how did you test your software?

Sunday, November 8th 2009 at 8:55PM
Steve Williams
Hello Steve,

You said this, “I know what your point is. But how did you test your software?”

Steve, I use Dragon Speak Easy version 9. It is a software that I bought and installed it in my computer. The software prompted me to read various articles that my voice would be recognized. I talks through a microphone and what I say is typed on my work process. I proofread and make grammatical corrections before posting. That is all there is to it. I love it because it is better than manual typing.

Tell me what you think.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 3:24AM
Harry Watley
Hello Mr. Washington,

I believe that the point everyone is trying to make to you, especially Mr. Lucas is that Ebonics is not the language of the diplomatic world.

In other words, when Black Americans become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders, our president will obviously be among other world leaders and Ebonics will not be spoken by our president. Do you sort of understand what is being explained to you?

Tell me what you think.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 3:35AM
Harry Watley
Hello Harry,

I got that for my wife but I think it was version 8 back then. She never really used it as she always had more intention with computers than follow-through. I forgot about the initial reading it uses to adapt to your voice.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 5:17AM
Steve Williams
Listen Idiots ocourse Ebonics isn't main language and no one said it was. Lol. Mandarin is the main language of China yet the people still speak various different dialects which actually have written language because they have been around so long.
Monday, November 9th 2009 at 5:37AM
John Washington
Hello Steve,

Okay, so you know and understand what I am saying.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 8:21AM
Harry Watley
Hello Mr. Washington,

Since this is your blog, could you type at least two Ebonics sentences for the audience? I, at least would get a better understanding of why you are in favor of Ebonics.

Okay.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 8:27AM
Harry Watley
You know what slang is idiot. Don't have to type for you i AIN'T YA DAMM SECRETARY!
Monday, November 9th 2009 at 11:58AM
John Washington
Now, now, now Brother John--- you aren't being very nice are you? ---
Monday, November 9th 2009 at 12:29PM
Jen Fad
I still don't see why there is so much division concerning Ebonics, but then again I'm still young and have much to understand about life
Monday, November 9th 2009 at 12:31PM
Jen Fad
Why is it divisive?

It's just language. There is lingua franca then everything else.

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 2:01PM
Steve Williams
I mean NO disrespect to anyone in this discussion. However, the most important question for me regarding the Ebonics debate is "How does Ebonics serve us as a people?" Does it help us communicate more effectively? Does it support the development of key skills that will add value to our lives, monetarily or otherwise? Does practicing (we learn what we practice) this dialect (as described above) add ANY value to our lives? I am disappointed that there is so much time and energy devoted to the Ebonics debate rather than on something that will bring true value to our lives (like the importance of Mastering the KEY language of choice (ENGLISH) that UNLOCKS the many resources we require for the lives that MOST of us want, and ALL should have the opportunity to get! I have yet to hear anyone articulate the value of Ebonics to us or to our children. As a parent, I see it as my responsibility to give my child every possible advantage to succeed in life and be self sufficient. And, one of the rare places Ebonics had in my strategy for my child was when I exposed her to the literature of authors like Paul Lawrence Dunbar. Any one that has read Dunbar's "Little Brown Baby" will know what I mean. It is essential that we give our children the tools to, not only survive, but Thrive! And I am convinced that Ebonics is NOT a tool to that END! Please don't cripple your children's success!
Respectfully,
Raymond Lucas

Monday, November 9th 2009 at 8:46PM
Raymond Lucas
I think I am truly being misunderstood in regard to my position on Ebonics. I am not looking down on anyone. There are realities related to IMPROVING OUR CHANCES FOR SUCCESS, and mastering the English language is one of those opportunities. The examples of Oprah and Dr. King that Irma references in her response to my comment puzzles me since she chose two people who's success is ROOTED in their mastery of the English Language and their ability to engage EVRYONE with masterful written and verbal English skills. Yes, King used Ebonics to emotionally connect with his people. And, Oprah occasionally does the same. And they could “code switch” on a dime. But they both knew or know for sure that they could not be as effective without mastering proper English. This is not about slamming our culture this is about realizing and expanding our POSSIBILITIES. This may be my last entry on this topic. I am going to read to some elementary school children at a Baltimore school. Yes, Baltimore… where the High School Graduation rate is significantly LESS THAN 50%.
Whatever you choose to do with Ebonics is fine with me, unless how you choose to use it makes it more difficult for our people (ESPECIALLY OUR CHILDREN) to master the tools that will give them the GREATEST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES IN LIFE. To be an obstruction to the opportunities that proper English can bring to our people, at this time in history, is no less than CRIMINAL.
Go forth and make a difference!!
Respectfully,
Raymond Lucas

Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 8:48AM
Raymond Lucas
I did not want to interject in this exchange, but I have to. From reading this exchange what I see it that although both are acknowledging that Black English Venacular does exist and yes it does have a major place in history, it also does meet the standards of a language based on the rules set forth in deciding such. Yes, it is also a language that is used on a semi and sometimes regular basis in many corners of the world.

What is being stressed by Mr. Lucas is that it is not widely accepted in corporate america or when one is doing business with others. Let's be honest here, if one called customer service to discuss an issue with a product or charges on a bill or what have you. How would you respond if the person spoke to you when using Black English Venacular? Honestly, if the person on the other end said to me : This bees the reason yo stuff is jacked up or something to that effect. I'm asking for a manager and want to know where and who provided the customer service training, because it is not professional to me.

Tell the history of the language, because many don't know what that is, but also realize that every language usage is not for every situation. I can hold a conversation using Black English Venacular if I so chose, but trust an believe it will not take place when I'm in a board meeting. For our children to only know one style of language using ( black english venacular) since that is what this blog is about. Really is a disservice to them, they need to know how to feel comfortable and confident when speaking in all types of environments, to be treated as the very intelligent people that they are and unfortunately we do live in a world that will not seem them as such if the only language they use is Black English Venacular. It comes across as if they are illiterate and uneducated, which is not the case at all for so many. Just my thoughts.
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 12:40PM
Marquerite Burgess
Marquerite, in your experience does the use of black english vernacular at home and social settings inhibit the learning of standard english at school? You have said you are multilingual.

Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 1:33PM
Steve Williams
Actually, Mrs. Irma it is a form or should I say it is considered a dialect of Black English Venacular, I studied this in College in a Linguistics course.
Steve, I honestly can say yes that if that is the only for of language taught yes, there must be a balance of understanding. For the record, please know that I do not use nor allow Black English Venacular in my home setting, I can't control what people say outside. What is considered Standard English is the primary language used in my home.
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 2:04PM
Marquerite Burgess
In response to your first post Mrs.Irma ( I didn't scroll from top to bottom, I scrolled from the bottom up. **smile**) I can't speak for all people, just myself. I don't put them or anyone else down. Many of them are learning a new language and trying to understand what our words mean because just like in a number of other languages in different countries some words just don't mean the same. My response is pertaining to the fact, that alot of times (unfortunately) when comments are made and all people don't agree it can and/or is perceived as if someone is attempting to put another down and many times that is not the case. I believe ( at least I would like to ) that ultimately we all want our people to be successful in life. We may not all travel the same road to get there, but in the end the goal is still the same.
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 2:12PM
Marquerite Burgess
Sistah Irma as my good ole folks would say in South Carolina, "You sho have learnt me something."
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 3:42PM
Jen Fad
Sister Irma the pleasure was all mine.
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 10:08AM
Jen Fad

LOOK I'M TIRED OF IDIOTS IN THE FORUM EITHER GET SOME EDUCATION IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN STANDARD. LOL. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX SOMETIMES.

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I'LL TEACH COLORS NEXT TIME KNOW YOUR COLORS BEFORE YOU COME TO PAINTING CLASS. LOL.

I'LL LIST THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN AMERICA.

SPORTS LANGUAGE MEANINGS WORDS COMMONLY USED, PHRASES AND EXPRESSIONS THAT PERTAIN TO THE WORLD OF SPORTS.

TECHNICAL LANGUAGE MEANING LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WHEN PERTAINING TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF A SCIENCE OR INVENTIIONS OR COMPONENTS THEREOF.

CORPORATE LANGUAGE THE LANGUAGE OF BUSINESS, SALES, MARKETING OF GOODS AND SERVICE IN THE LEGAL REALM. ( MY EMPHASIS) CAUSE THERE'S ILLEGAL BUSINESS WITH BLACK MARKET LANGUAGE USAGE.

EBONICS A SOCIAL LANGUAGE COMMONLY SPOKEN BY AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE MAJORITY WHOM FEW HERE ARE ASHAMED BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN THOSE BENEATH THEM.

DIPLOMATIC THE LANGUAGE SOFT SPOKEN-NESS.

And then there's the language of War!

And the language of Love! Lol.

I use the language necessary when communicating the language used depends upon purpose and audience.

God Bless.
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 7:14PM
John Washington
And, this is why dialogue is so important, because as my first language was actual, true and a face by way of experience, I still say the African-americans in my family and friends and their children and all born and raised in Jacksonville, N.C rights to speak/communicat with each other should not be considered as :wrong, unacceptable, non productive and a cures on mankind because this is the LANGUAGE WE USE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!

I have been gone so long until some times I have a hard time understanding some of what they say, but I am still proud of them as I am of me along with Oprah and Dr. King...I see all of us a equal... Ijust hope that we can still have this right to free speech...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Oh, and some people who are from out side of this country of Standard Englishspeakers do not allow English spoken in their homes...I have never heard a public out cry of this...And as I knnow a lot of people from Japan, in their country the Americans are judged who want major contracts in Japan are judged on how much pacience they display....there are many variables and maybe why no attention is displayed when so many times one has to be transferred back to the USA to get some much business completed there.(smile)

Actually my sister the head of the A-A study was so into the study of the language history he made the department a part of the English department so that we could learn some of the languages of the Mother land...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Jen, my child, it is so comforting to know that we are still willing to learn from our historical oral traditions(smile)

I ahd to actuall leave this post because of this is coming from a personal experience that our people live each and every day and I am suppost to accept that now our right to community is now a threat to our own race...!!!!!Oh, well, we did use to believe that we would never have a black president..well those like me rejoice that we lived long enough to get more than us being slaves taught in public schools and this is the result of....so sorry sister Jen but I am getting personal again...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...and Jen your speaking to me in EBONICS is a blessing...YES WE CAN...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Sister "I" promise you that the example you just gave is not Ebonics. This is slang and this is why the young people who know me will not use it in my presence...or any other self respecting Black adult that wants better for our children...this is another rerason for my resistance because this is what those who do not know Ebonics is calling it this...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Sister Marquerite I agree with you as everything should be in its proper place at the proper time...so I will ask do we put down the people of India now that most of /some of our conversations are being heard and responded over the phone by them and in the place of their birth as we do our own people?!??Or are we saying that we only object to black English as something we come across even not when in a BIG BUSINESS MONEY SAVING PROECSS THAT SEEMS TO MAKE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING WE ARE ALREADY UP SET OF AND TIRED OF TRYING TO GET PUT STRAIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE...For all of us who do not know this and are upset or bothered by this... they are not using 'ebonics'.

For and from me is a 100% resisting for these new forms of ways to put my race down only after some thing has been owned by us and accepted by the public at large...(and I am not smiling at this)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Raymond, I gather either you have not heard about African-Americans live in the south or you have no idea that people from the south go to school and some become $billionairs like Oprah or great leaders like Dr. King, etc.

NOW WHAT WAS THAT QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHOSE FIRST LANGUAGE IS EBONICS??????????
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Ramond so sorry, but you are not confused by my words, you have just taken out some of what I have said to suit your own EGO.for example, you only choose to give recognition to to people who have never chosen to be just what you are caliming...they have refused to deny/down their race or culture by falling for that old, "you are an acceptional-accepted African-American because you are not like THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raymond, this is one of the main reasons we still sing "WE SHALL OVER COME ONE DAY". This means you are not able to accept the other African-Americans that are not in the public eye as UP TO YOUR STANDARDS.but, again we have too much faith in that song to allow people like you to stop us from making the planet a better place than we found it.(smile)and much lov my brother...YES WE CAN...yes we must contnue to be proud to be African-Americans dispite all that is out there to have us loose faith in our own culture...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I must apologize, but it is really hurtful when I hear my own people while at the same times saying how unworthy, how usless and how unproductive our own people are when if the MAN said this they would be all up in arms about it.

It is even more hurtful that as i make plans to go to North Carolina is a little while, to hug and kiss and laugh and talk with my friends and family and school t eachers, politicians, nurses, preachers, store owners land owners, home owners and you name it what ever you like as these people will be speaking the real Ebonics not the fake one or for the reason that we refuse to even learn something before we say this is true...it is really a shame before what ever God you believe in or what religion you praciice that you must abuse to do something like this to your fellow man...

These are the most successful, honest, law abiding, respectful people one would ever meet and yet they are so looked down like this out of pure______________

...again I apoligize, because I must respect everyone's own truths...this is just a country that seem to have so little use for truth/facts...thanks Steve as I can now accept it as EGO.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve, you are 110% correct on the word EGO which is a much better, more enclusive and makes much better use of the Standard English/EBONIC definition of racism, "I" believe.In fact from now on I will begin to use this word a lot more when I am refering to racism, and even race...thanks my White brother(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Jen, maybe this will help you...look what has happened to the word '*****' every since we have come to own the word and not be so offended right off the bat as we use to do...actually it would be interesting for someone to do a college thesis on how many Blacks have been hung for resisting being called a ***** or how many have gone to prison for kill someone for calling them this word...you know much like for drugs is almost a given in the media as statistics.LOL

Look at it just like rap...this became a scorn and a major threat to society and to the planet when the White teens started to not only like it but began to start acting, speaking, dressing like the Blacks..

drugs were fine in Harlam as long as they could go to this place and buy it and successfully hide this fact, but when it moved public then much like when their own White children started using the word ***** in a positive way then all of a sudden the word it self got changed to the N word after all of the centurys of use...

we the Blacks have been using Ebonics for centurys, but now it has been recognized as an actual ligatmate language once again and on cue the only way that the public at large can condem it is to start with us...most of us know so little about what Ebonics is until we go by what we are told by the media and not or even our family members in the south or our oral history...we just throw evenry thing into the mix but the truth and oin in on the negative of those lowlife prison bound Blacks...

Hope this has helped you my sister...as I do not use slang nor do I allow its use in my present, but as EBONICS is my first language it is allowed to be spoken in my presents.(smile)Or when I go south back home for the holidays in a short time I would not beable to communicat with friends and family who have never lived for long out side of N.C.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
actually sister Jen what I just wrote,"Hopethis has helped you"is a form of EBONICS. In STANDARD ENGLISH this would have to be,"I HOPE THAT THIS HAS HELPED YOU MY SISTER JEN".But, in the south it would be more like morethe actual words along with this...(smile)and this is why Ebonics is recognized as a language, but as I also said we as a whole know so little of what Ebonics is until if it looks negative,etc.(smile)oh, and sister would have gotten the dilect sounds is a way to be able to say it the way our tounge is a more comfortable manner...but, if we had been able to go to offical schools much like a singer of oprah gets a voice coach to better be able to sound out the words, ect...not an excuse only a FACT...lov ya and this is also oral way we learn about our culture, race...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
John, it is more that we African-Americans as a whole still do not know our own history in America. But, as we learn more and more of our proud, positive and constructive history beyond that we have learned for the point of view of the "conqurors" then we can better understand how the past has shaped our present...YES WE WILL...(smile)

Thank you for this post as it is in itself a learning tool...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Derek,once again I ask you what is Ebonics...and each and every time you try to make Ebonics what is is not, I will ask you again.Because each time you do this you are trying to make my people ashamed of themselves for something they have no reason to be ashamed of..this fraud being put on us about Ebonics!!!!!

We must learn our own history before we can try to put an end to these ideas that we as a race are useless, violent, ignorant,ect.It is because today more emphsis is put on better understanding of in truth that, "WE SEE THE WORLD THROUGH THE EYES OF OUR CULTURE, that public school teachers, college professors, police, ect. must now take sensitivity tranings...or better know as learning how to respect that person whos see the world through their culture.and example is cultrue training determines the food we eat to how we conduct our religious serves in church and so on and so forth...

I is so interesting how Craig so strongly believe like those right-wingers believed about Judge Sotomajor.they said she was not qualified to sit on the Supreme court, because she would be coming onto the court with her full memories of what has made her the person she is...in other words, she was not raised within the culture of the WASP!!!!

WAKE UP...I like to remind us the we have all seen the Black women when she is making a major point she tends to put her hand on her hip and point that finger..this comes directly from African's belief that to put the hand on the hip you allow the devil in and with the pointed finger you allow the devil out...I will not repeat why black people shout in church and White people don't.Something else we brought directly from AFRICAN also!!!

I will once again say ,"THE TRUTH NEED NO DEFENSE".(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
robert and Steve isn't it too bad that these are the same qualities of our president that is causing such fear, panic and rejections by so many, many STANDARD ENGLISH SPEAKING Americans?!?("I" am not smiling)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve, I have no way to answer...to me it is just plain old everyday common sense that we so over look all the time...or is it just we are so caught up on blame, insults,etc.or is it only the natural fear of the unknown in mankind?

SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND...????....SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!!!!!....
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Derek, as you get to know me, you will come to learn how and why I go by the rules of logic mainly because there is not right or no wrong or absoluts out side of subjective emotions.

I have said that to say this, I so love your seeking mind...A closed mind whould have long ago stoped trying to get me to understand your point of view and just started calling me every nasty name you could and not have continued to try to get me to see your point of view...this is the reason for teaching and for learning , this is how we teach and how we learn and why dialogue never leads to W-A-R.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
There you go again Derek, now you are trying to eleminate White children.(smile)and if you do this then who do you use to make Blacks less than the people in south america or the middle-east or asia.LOL...E-G-O knows not bounds.(falling on the floor laughing)

Without knowing it, you have just eleminated my generation,Steve's children(which is the next generation along with your own generation)...boy you have just distroyed all in America except maybe the Native-Americans....It is called watch what you say as what you say can come back a nd_______________(smile)

How will Harry make it??????????????
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Derek, I will be glad to do this as soon as you send a message to me in STANDARD ENGLISH.(smile)oh and by the way leave all of the German and Ebonics words out of it.LOL
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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