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THE TRIALS OF PHILLIS WHEATLEY: AMERICA’S FIRST BLACK POET (Part 8) (5701 hits)

BY THE AGE OF TWENTY, WHEN HER BOOK OF POETRY WAS PUBLISHED, PHILLIS WHEATLEY WAS WELL KNOWN TO SOME OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THIS NEW AMERICAN NATION. SHE MET GEORGE WASHINGTON, BENJAMIN FRNAKLIN AND JOHN HANCOCK. NAVAL HERO JOHN PAUL JONES SENT A NOTE WITH SOME OF HIS OWN WRITINGS TO “THE CELEBRATED PHILLIS, THE AFRICAN FAVORITE OF THE NINE MUSES AND APOLLO.”

Her most significant encounter with one of the Founding Fathers was with a man she never met. Thomas Jefferson’s stinging rebuke of Phillis Wheatley would have the most enduring impact.


According to Wheatley scholar William Robinson in 1981, “”Jefferson owned a copy of her 1773 volume of poems where her name is spelled correctly.”


Thomas Jefferson’s unfortunate, grossly unscientific and profoundly unfair criticism of the capacities of African American slaves placed the heavy burden of legitimacy on a patently false notion that would poison the American view of black achievement for the next two hundred years. It was the myth of black inferiority.


In his book NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA (1781), Jefferson recorded his observations of African Americans.


“Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.”


Thomas Jefferson’s limited experience in meaningful conversation with his own slaves allowed him to reach the absurd conclusion that the men and women he owned as slaved were simpletons.


“But never yet could I find that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration,” he wrote.


Jefferson’s low opinion of African American’s verbal ability came to define the future evaluation of Phillis Wheatley and her poetry.


Jefferson dismissed the writing of Phillis Wheatley. He never gave any indication that he read or evaluated a single one of her poems. Even though he owned a copy of her book with her name printed clearly and accurately, he misspelled her name the one time he mentioned it.


“Misery is often the parent of the most affecting touches in poetry,” Jefferson wrote. “Among the blacks is misery enough, God knows, but not poetry. Love is the peculiar rostrum of the poet. Their love is ardent, but it kindles the senses only, not the imagination. Religion indeed has produced a Phyllis Whately (JEFFERSON’S INCORRECT SPELLING). But it could not produce a poet.”


Thomas Jefferson’s final verdict was: “The compositions published under her name are below the dignity of criticism.”


Clearly, Jefferson was blinded by his own bias. “I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind.”


It was a tragic mistake that took two hundred years to correct.


Phillis Wheatley had her supporters who did not share Jefferson’s white supremacist views.


A Boston merchant named John Andrews was excited about receiving his copy of Wheatley’s POEMS. A personal letter of his has been found where lets a friend know about his enthusiasm for the poet and her work. On January 28, 1774, he wrote: “At last got Phillis’ poems in print…These don’t seem to be near all her productions. She’s an artful jade (slang for young woman) and intends to have the benefit of another volume.”


Benjamin Rush, another of the nation’s Founding Fathers, signer of the Declaration of Independence and member of the Continental Congress, disagreed with Jefferson’s low opinion of Phillis Wheatley. He wrote glowingly of her talent and the pleasure she gives her readers.


“There is now in the town of Boston,” he wrote, “a free negro girl about 18 years of age, who has been but 9 years in the country, whose singular genius and accomplishments are such as not only do honor to her s*x but to human nature. Several of her poems have been printed and read with pleasure by the public.”


Dr. Henry Louis Gates makes the effort to put Jefferson’s racist views in perspective.


“No Founding Father has been the subject of more speeches, essays and books in the African-American tradition than Thomas Jefferson,” he wrote. “No other figure has been more reviled yet, paradoxically, more revered; and no other figure has had a greater shaping impact upon both the discourse of black rights and the evolution of the African-American literary tradition than Thomas Jefferson.”


Dr. Gates makes the astounding assertion that: “If Phillis Wheatley was the mother of African-American literature, there is a sense in which Thomas Jefferson can be thought of as its midwife. Blacks took on Jefferson’s challenge immediately following the Revolution.”


“Jefferson’s comments about the role of their literature,” said Gates, “became the strongest motivation for blacks to create a body of literature that would implicitly prove Jefferson wrong. This is Wheatley’s and Jefferson’s curious legacy in American Literature.”


Today, the fact that the exquisite poetry of Phillis Wheatley is now required reading in college courses stands as the ultimate rebuke to Thomas Jefferson’s bigoted judgments and failed effort to silence a voice of eternal, glowing beauty.



ON THE DEATH OF A YOUNG LADY OF FIVE
YEARS OF AGE.

FROM dark abodes to fair, etherial light,
The enraptured innocent has winged her flight;
On the kind bosom of eternal love
She finds unknown beatitude above.

This know, ye parents, nor her loss deplore,
She feels the iron hand of pain no more;
The dispensations of unerring grace
Should turn your sorrows into grateful praise;

Let then no tears for her henceforward flow,
No more distressed in our dark vale below.
Her morning sun, which rose divinely bright,
Was quickly mantled with the gloom of night;

But hear in heaven's blest bowers your Nancy fair,
And learn to imitate her language there.
"Thou, Lord, whom I behold with glory crowned,
"By what sweet name, and in what tuneful sound

"Wilt thou be praised? Seraphic powers are faint,
"Infinite love and majesty to paint.
"To thee let all their grateful voices raise,
"And saints and angels join their songs of praise."

Perfect in bliss, she, from her heavenly home,
Looks down, and smiling, beckons you to come.
Why then, fond parents, why those fruitless groans?
Restrain your tears, and cease your plaintive moans.

Freed from a world of sin, and snares and pain,
Why would you wish your daughter back again?
No--bow resigned: let hope your grief control,
And check the rising tumult of the soul.

Calm in the prosperous and adverse day,
Adore the God who gives and takes away;
Eye him in all, his holy name revere;
Upright your actions, and your hearts sincere;

Till, having sailed through life's tempestuous sea,
And from its rocks, and boisterous billows free,
Yourselves safe landed on the blissful shore,
Shall join your happy babe to part no more.



TO A LADY, ON THE DEATH OF HER
HUSBAND.

GRIM monarch! see, deprived of vital breath,
A young physician in the dust of death:
Dost thou go on incessant to destroy,
Our griefs to double and lay waste our joy?

Enough, thou never yet wast known to say,
Though millions die the vassals of thy sway:
Nor youth, nor science, nor the ties of love,
Nor aught on earth thy flinty heart can move.

The friend, the spouse, from his dire dart to save,
In vain we ask the sovereign of the grave.
Fair mourner, there see thy loved Leonard laid,
And o'er him spread the deep, impervious shade.

Closed are his eyes, and heavy fetters keep
His senses bound in never-waking sleep,
Till time shall cease, till many a starry world
Shall fill from heaven, in dire confusion hurled;

Till nature in her final wreck shall lie,
And her last groan shall rend the azure sky:
Not, not till then, his active soul shall claim
His body, a divine, immortal frame.


But see the softly-stealing tears apace
Pursue each other down the mourner's face:
But cease thy tears, bid every sigh depart,
And cast the load of anguish from thine heart:

From the cold shell of his great soul arise,
And look beyond, thou native of the skies;
There fix thy view, where, fleeter than the wind,
Thy Leonard mounts, and leaves the earth behind.

Thyself prepare to pass the vale of night,
To join forever on the hills of light.
To thine embrace his joyful spirit moves,
To thee, the partner of his earthly loves;


He welcomes thee to pleasures more refined,
And better suited to the immortal mind.


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Friday, January 1st 2010 at 6:57PM
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Rich,
There appears to be a ton of information on this subject, I intend to explore it in depth.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 8:28PM
Steve Williams
Meanwhile, I'm anxious to hear what others think.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 8:29PM
Steve Williams
Irma, once again our posts crossed. You are one of those I had in mind would contribute on this.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 8:34PM
Steve Williams
Dear Irma and Steve:
Thanks for your comments.

Dr. Gates made a valiant effort to try to put it in proper perspective. While it is true that just about every slave after 1776 knew Jefferson wrote "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL..." and saw that the promise of the new nation was to give THEM their freedom. They also knew that he was a slave holder and a white supremacist. Gates made a great point--that his racist words spurred black writers to prove him wrong. Now, looking back at 200 year of AFrican aamerican literature, it is one of the richest, most creative, most spiritual, most inventive and varied genres in all of American literature.

“No Founding Father has been the subject of more speeches, essays and books in the African-American tradition than Thomas Jefferson,” Gates wrote. “No other figure has been more reviled yet, paradoxically, more revered; and no other figure has had a greater shaping impact upon both the discourse of black rights and the evolution of the African-American literary tradition than Thomas Jefferson.”

Interesting paradox!!!

Friday, January 1st 2010 at 9:18PM
Richard Kigel
Dear Irma:

I know. Jefferson's racist views are NOT well known at all. They've been obscured and hidden. I don't blame you for not believing. But there they are in black and white. Jefferson can't hide from his own words!

I'm only trying to present an accurate and truthful view of what happened.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 9:21PM
Richard Kigel
Steve:
There we go. Primary Source Material is like GOLD to a historian!!!
Thanks for sharing!

Friday, January 1st 2010 at 10:36PM
Richard Kigel
But Rich, I don't come to the conclusion that he was racist. The whole section starts with the intent to free the slaves, and what follows is why he thought they should be resettled outside of America. He gives first the political reasons, prejudice of the whites and animosity of the blacks for what the whites had done. Much of what he says is based on the limited knowledge of natural history of the time, and he qualifies much of what he says based on his understanding of that limitation. I detected no malice in what he says, and much consideration, albeit showing a personal preference for his own race, Many even now from every race (I do dislike that word) have a preference for their own race but are not racist.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 11:47PM
Steve Williams
Steve:
You make a great point. In the context of his time, Jefferson considered himself a humanist. And it is a historical fact that he treated his slaves humanely and allowed them more "freedom" within their bondage than most slave owners. He wasn't a cruel master. They were treated more like unpaid servants.

In fact, one of his slaves, John Hemings, was his own personal site manager for Monticello. Jefferson did not trust any construction projects to anyone else, white or black. John Hemings was regarded at the time as a master carpenter and often hired himself out (and kept the wages) around the community.

It is never a good idea to judge historical figures out of the context of their times. But the effect of Jefferson's white supremacist views ruled the debate for two hundred years so his words had an extremely harmful effect.

Also, and for me, this is the bottom line here--for all his "All Men ARe Created Equal" philosophy and his benevolence toward his own slaves, Jefferson kept them in perpetual bondage. He never freed them during his lifetime or arranged to have them freed after his death.

That is why Dr. GAtes calls the relationsip between Jefferson and slavery complicated.

Thanks for the conversation!!!
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 10:18AM
Richard Kigel
Der Irma:
I agree that we need to take an honest look at the slavery era. This is only beginning to happen in America. It's been kept hidden for too long. Now we are seeing more and more authentic information coming out and more and more new discoveries.
EDUCATE! EDUCATE! EDUCATE!

Now, about L B J--he did grow up in Texas and he used the "N" word regularly. So, yeah, he was a flaming racist.

But, he used his political muscle and prestige in the government to push through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

When LBJ stood up before Congress to urge them to pass the Civil Rights law and said 'WE SHALL OVERCOME", Dr. King was watching carefully. He said later that hearing those words from the President brought tears to his eyes.

So give the man some credit!!!
PEACE!!!


Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 10:25AM
Richard Kigel
Rich,

I guess we will have to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. I read and reread his text carefully and don't believe he was a white supremacist. Further, I come to the conclusion he meant the slaves also in his words about equality. I believe he was constrained by the politics of that era.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 11:05AM
Steve Williams
Rich,
Excellent reading and Great Scholarship---You did promise jefferson to me earlier-Thanks

I'm with Steve on this one,
In 18th Century America, Thomas Jefferson seems, to me, to have been the greatest lover and bedder of African Slave Women than ANY OTHER man on the Continent.

Before I talked to the Honorable Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota;
I thought Uncle Thomas Jefferson was the coldest 18th Century Man ever!

But Representative Keith Ellison told me about AlQur'aan that Jefferson owned; and of course Jefferson visited Muslim Lands and worked and fought with Muslims.

I now believe that President TJ was a student of AlIslaam and that he married his "captured" slave women and treated them as His Family; just as a Muslim Caliph in Libya would have treated his ,captured in war, female servant/slaves.......?

Rich, I pray I am on subject of your blog, I know you might delete this, but Steve is the best researcher on BIA and I respect his Scholarship.


Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 12:37PM
robert powell
Dear Irma:

There is so much in what you say. You make some very valid points. You are willing to allow Jefferson to be a man of his time--and how can it be any other way.
And I sure do understand your feelings about LBJ who could be crass and crude to whoever he was talking to, white or black.

BUT when it came time to put his political career on the line, he did the right thing. IN the moments before he signed that Civil Rights ACt of 1965, he remarked that "Now we wil lose the south for a generation." He was wrong. The south was lost for more than that--it's going on three generations.

But you make a great point--why did we need those laws when they were already on the book? The only thing I can say is that I think things would be much worse without them. Anyway, I am glad they are now the law of the land.

What I loved most about what you said was when you mentioned how you and Steve practice "disagreeing with each other'respectfully" becuase "it is at the center of proper education...allowing ALL sides to be able to speak and not shut each other out.(smile)"

AGREED!!!
I love it when everyone has an opportunity to speak their piece and everyone else listens resppectfully and adds their own comments, objections, agreements and disagreemetnts all within the bounds ofmutual respect. That is real community. And I love it! And honestly, I feel honored to be able to participate in a community like that!!
PEACE!



Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 2:34PM
Richard Kigel
Steve:
I think it is wonderfuly that we can disagree in a respectful manner. Friends do that all the time--the may fight like cats and dogs but they still enjoy each other's company and will stand up for each other when the going gets tough--even if they disagree on certain issues.

It certainly is true that Jefferson's slaves loved the man. The documentary evidence shows that he treated them kindly. And you are right when you say that he is a man of his times. It's not fair to judge him by today's standards. There is so much more we know now that was unavailable to him.

Anyway, you have plenty of company in your opinions, including right here at BIA!

I bet you would be intersted in Annette Gordon Reed's new book THE HEMINGSES OF MONTICELLO. It is the most thorough examination of the relationship of Jefferson to the Hemings family so far. I have it on my shelf but I won't be able to get into it probably till the summer. I've heard Dr. Reed speak about the book on PBS and it is really fascinating stuff.

If you do manage to read it before I do, I would love to know your opinions!

PEACE!!!



Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 2:44PM
Richard Kigel
Dear Robert:

Thank you for you kind words. Yes, I did promise Jefferson to you—and I knew how controversial his words are so I was really concerned about how you might respond.

Once, again, you took me totally by surprise. I had no idea you were actually a Jefferson fan. And you taught me some interesting facts about Jefferson that I did not know. Your take on TJ as a Muslim Caliph is ingenius and fascinating. How intriguing!

Can you imagine what Hannity, Beck and those guys would make of that???

I think it is terrific that you are personally acquainted with Rep. Ellison. I have been following his career from afar since he took the oath of office on the Koran. Every one of his public statements shows him to be a reasonable and intelligent legislator. I think you guys are fortunate to have him. I would certainly vote for him, or someone like him, if he was here in New York. The citizens of his district are to be admired for their openmindedness. Clearly they voted for a good man and not a cartoon image as the right wing has pictured him.

So you like Gene Robinson? I read him regularly in his Washington Post column. Would you like me to post his columns more frequently? I think he is one of the finest, most clear-eyed level-headed analysts around. He makes sense. He articulates exactly what I am thinking about most issues so I will be glad to do it.

Do you like Bob Herbert as well? I think he is my favorite columnist, also an award winner. He offers the human touch, often focusing on the pain caused by insensitive and incompetent government decisions.

However, his column today was focused on his own personal pain. He wrote about his tragic love affair with the miserable New York Jets and their forward march toward mediocrity.

I don’t know if you’re a football fan or not—but you folks from Minnesota are now coming to understand the grand drama of Brett Favre. He was here in New York (I should really say Jersey!) last year. He started out brilliantly, just like he did in Minnesota. He got our playoff hopes up. Then, he was awful. Just as he is now.

And he led the team exactly nowhere!

And hey—I am glad to know that you admire Steve’s researching skills. I do as well. I tell all my students that we are a learning community and if anyone comes up with a good idea it really belongs to all of us so we can share it. That’s how we learn.

So, I enjoy Steve’s scholarship—and yours!!! And I value the opportunity to learn from both of you!!!

PEACE AND BLESSINGS!!!



Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 3:17PM
Richard Kigel
YES WE CAN!!!
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 4:57PM
Siebra Muhammad
Dear Irma:
Wow! Your knowledge of recent history is amazing. I did not know that! And I totally share your concerns about Iraq and Afghanistan becoming our Viet Nam.
LEt's pray it isn't so!!!!
PEACE!
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 6:14PM
Richard Kigel
All this knowledge is hurting my brain ... LOL!

It will take some time for TJ to win me over, but I must concede that all things considered in that era, he took care of his women if that be the case. I am not an historian on slave mistresses, etc. and I don't want to be because it should not have happened then (or now...).

Has anybody learned about the Slave Potter Dave?! That's a person I would love to hear from you about Bro. Richard.

Pardon me, Dr. Gates has certainly earned the respect of his title. I am loving your study of Phyllis Wheatley. I hope you intend to further your research by publishing into mainstream market.

Stepping to the side for a moment, another great literary genius I stumbled across was the Slave Potter Dave fromthe South Carolinas. Have you heard of him? I read his story by Leonard Todd and since then, whenever I think about Phyllis Wheatley, I automatically think of Slave Potter Dave (Drake)! What an absolutely phenominal poet he was...! When you finish your posts on Ms. Wheatley - and take a breather - we must learn more about him from you as well. Smile.

So, so much value is buried about some really, wonderful slaves who made all sorts of contributions to America and the world. Gee whiz ... you're gonna have me spoiled...LOL:)

Passing the peace,

Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 7:11PM
agnes levine
Dear Irma:

So. you, Robert and Steve are TJ's biggest fans. I had no idea you all were "THE THREE AMIGOS" (smile!)


Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 9:05PM
Richard Kigel
Dear Irma:

Now I can see where some of your personal passion for peace and justice comes from. I grew to manhood during that war. I was never in the service--but I was one of the college student/hippies who was out there protesting, picketing, marching for peace.

My brother was in Nam and he came back wounded. At least he survived.

One of the most moving experiences in my life was when we visited the Viet Nam War memorial in the Mall in DC. Have you seen it? It is a profound experience on many levels. I was able to find the name of one of the neighborhood guys who went. He was killed at 19.

If you have never seen the monument, then gol. It is definitely worth the experience.
PEACE!
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 9:11PM
Richard Kigel
Rich,

yea, Bob Herbert, John McLaughlin and Cynthia Tucker are my favorite American analysts.

Giants, Vikings today;
Last game in Dome---maybe?
It is 15 BELOW 0- outside but cozy inside---
Favre would win if the game was outside-----
but he cannot play in cozy weather in December---
A proud NY team will prevail today

Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:05AM
robert powell
Hey Robert:

Well there's another thing we agree on. Bob Herbert is my number one analyst who I trust. I get the NY Times every morning and he is one of the main columnists.

I've seen Cynthia Tucker and John McLaughlin as they comment on the TV news shows and yes, they are always cool.

And thanks for rooting for the town of New York. Although, knowing the JETS history, I dont' have as much confidence as you do. Even if the Bengals rest their starters, the JETS will find a way to lose.

Don't forget--this is a team that was four points down with minutes to play and THEY had the ball on offense, first and goal at the opponents ONE YARD LINE. They had four chances and they coulnd't score.

So, let's hope the football Gods are listening to you!!!!
PEACE,
Rich


Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:55AM
Richard Kigel
Richard, there is no way that I can congradulate Johnson or anyone else who has almost single handed with the help of the then college professor Mohahan to so successfussfly attack and demean our culture that is Mother -centered which got such praise and acceptance in the deep south that he was able to move from a position of a social iology professor in college to the postion of Senator for life in the "American" state of New York...

Could Jefferson have died with this much trusted and prestigous founding father if he had set his slave free? ("I" know he would not have)Try and look at this in today's society about how he would have been looked on today, not just back then when owning slaves was a sign of how you rated being respected and able to keep a roof (mansion then and mansion'S' today)over your head according to the slaves you owned...

and, don't forget the rewards earned by Monohan(misspelled) diring yours and my life time...
but, it would help if the truth was told about J.F.K. especially how history is wrongly rewarding him for Civil Rights era success things that Johnson not he did for this movement...and again more successfully distorted and false historical teachings in our life time, brother Richard)

Kenney refused to rock the southern political boat and I respect him as he was all ways on very, very, very thin ground much like president Obama is...he was the first Catholic in the Whitehouse and much like the fear of Rev. Wright, there was the fear of the POPe...

More of the public know about Johnson and his relation to the War in Nam while too few of us know the truth of how Johnson had used up all of his political capitol to force Congress to help pass those civil rights laws....Laws already set down by the founding fathers and again by the Supreme Court on May 17,57!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Over ruling Jim Crow...

Proper truth in Education is slowly coming to light with the effots of those like you and brother Steve making tis vital information availabe to the public..my forgetting to thannk Steve before now is an example of why I try so hard not to over rule the needs of a logical dialogue.(smile)

Those civil rights laws that the civil rights movement was all about getting our government to enforce (not to make)LAWS ALREADY ON ITS BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!

AGAIN I POINT TO THE PUBLIC OPTION WHICH IS BEING OVER RULED AS BAD FOR THE COUNTRY BY BIG BUSINESS LIKE CIVIL RIGHTS BEING GRANTED UNDER THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION(smile)

...EDUCATE, EDUCATE ,EDUCATE...FOR CHANGE...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
As for LBJ, I do love and respect the man.He stood by his conviction that our Constutiion must be obeyed and that Congress was to do what they were sent to Washington to do, to do what is best for the country...

I respect him because he did his political and moral and legal duty as a president...the same people, organizations and established instutions that Jefferson stood up to s did he...

for me to callhim a racist is nit picking on a personal basis and refusing to look at the big picture...President Johnson brought about Change in tis country at the expense of is political career..it actuall should have been his casting vote taht put us in NAM that should go down in history as his down fall...I lost a lot of family members and friends to that war, but so did "I" at the hands of the KKK(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Yes Richard, me, Steve, and robert are just an example of how we as humans are more alike than different...the three of us found this out in between those friendly fights you mentioned.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
And, as for TJ, I look at him like this...A person may not 'like' me as this is their choice...but they had better show me the full respect that "I" deserve!!!!!

This behavior on my part causes many 'teaching moments'(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Yes Richard, I got to see the traveling Viet Nam wall when it came to CA.It was very hard to not do tracings of it...

I had long ago come to terms with this when my youngest daughter joined the Navy as her chosen career after college. My oldest daughter was in the Army ROTC while in college(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I will say this and give others a chance to speak. There is the name of a very dear friend of mine on that wall . His name is Bobby Joe Clark. Bobby is listed as "still" missing and "I" can not come to terms if I wish him to be dead or alive has a lot to do with my coming to terms with that war also...(I am not smiling)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Richard, as you are new to our site, you will soon learn that robert, Steve and I are the most dedicated fans of TJ there is(smile)

And, "I" will respectfully disagree with robert on the TJ beinga leader in s*xual exploits with his skaves...I do so because Jefferson is not recorded in amy of our slave recordings in their own words(uet)of how he granted his mistress a home or that he set them up as they were so famous for doing in New Orleans in elabrate apartments with their own servants and any other things the slave mistress desired or could think of(smile)


and may I go off topic about LBJ and Nam....very few know that as a senator LBJ was the deciding vote for America to enter Nam when the French fould out just how great of fighters they were up against in this country....

in other words it was LBJ wo got us there as a senator and it was LBJ wo got us out as president...and how the public was the main reason for this decission to pull out along with finding out how the government had fooled the citizens in this country for so long came to light...again education is the magic bullet for ending wars and getting peace for a little time.(smile)

Me, I say afgan is going to be along with Iraq our 21st century viet nam...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
RICHARD, you can see today much of why those books and informations about what was going on in the days of Americas slave era had to 'be hidden' by our government...

still today moast African-American have so little information about our Mother-centered family make up dispite they see it each and every day...this is because they see more of the TV teaching just the opposit of what they know to be a fact!!!

Another thing that has to be 'taught' out of the African is the we are an oral learning culture...remember the attcks on Rev. Wright, because Jackson has not taught this by way of TV?...

I admit you and toomany of my own people did not know about those books being hidden for hundreds of years by our government, but again this is why our being a culture that is oral--centered in passing down our history...but at the same time many of my people knew about this generations after generations.(smile)

this we call Black Pride, Black survival and more inportant Black power to remain a proud peoples.(smile)

And, Steve it is our practicing disagreeing with each other'respectfully' is at the center of proper education...allowing ALL sides to be able to speak and not shut each other out.(smile)

I do love what you do brother Richard...want to know more about your book, books and ore about you on a personal-professional level if you don't mind...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
CHANGE IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SAY THINGS LIKE,,,.."this information was hidden too long by the United States government and the powers that be in order to keep its citizens bound to the laws as dictated by Jim Crow...WE CAN NOT BRING ABOUT THIS CHANGE UNLESS WE STOP OMMITING THE TRUTH AND REALITY INTO OUR SOCIAL ORDER.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Richard, I am sure that you may be very surprised that in not one of my BIA study classes did "I" find any thing that would be able to say that what is being said here about Thomas Jefferson to be true...in fact we were taught just the total opposit about Jefferson!!!!!!!!!

I realize that you Richard do not know me well, but from what you know about me, "I" would never even under 'water boarding' (LOL)say that "I' admire much less respect Jefferson if "I" believed this to be true about him...

but, "I" can dream that this was true of this man before he met...got to really research her poerty(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
And, since I am now leaving this subject for those who would like to research what I am about to say or just condem me for saying this as "I" have said this before on this site...

Upon learning that it was the POPe who without him using his Bible to prove that Africans were not human and to put them into Chattle slavery so that they could gain souls and be able to work themselves so that their rewards would to be to go to heaven...Ther would never have been any slavery in America...they had to do this because England would not alIow it thus the main reason for fear of the KINg of England and the Church bumped heads...the Pope had no love for the Church of England and neither did America, but they did need the south..("I" .have never set foot into another Catholic churchsince learning this in my major)...Thomas Jefferson put his life not just his political career on the line!!!!!!!!!!!

but, then we refuse to not claim the founding fathers to be Christian God fearing men myth...

the Luthern Bible teaches this in South Africa and we know about this don't we? This is still taught by the church OWNER of the one (who we know so well today)that bishop T.J. (ehatever the big black mega church person's name is with his jet)If he ever say taht the Africans who he is decantand of were able to be counted as one of god's children, he will be sstriped just as the last black Bishop was when he refuse to continue to say his African ansastory who were never were put into slavery could be children of God's...

well to me this is why Jefferson is a hero, because he went against all of the teachings of the Church at that time...and some of the churches of today!!!!!!
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Richard, as my husband did two tours of duty in Nam in the Marine corp...I researched every things I could about this country, our country and the reasons we weere there...even the French(smile)

thanks to my mom, reading is one of my main hobbies.LOL
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OH SO SORRY I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT AND B-U-S-S-I-N-G...itrertrations of theathes water fountains, congress...YES THIS MAN IS A HERO OF MINE FOR THIS AND FOR MANY OTHER REASONS..hE STOOD UP THEN IN A WAY WE SITLL REFUSE TO DO TODAY....IN CONGRESS...(I am not smiling except if ti had not been for president Johnson demeaning the black mother and teh Black panthers who the government made public enemy #1 for demanding they turn loos tose books and records you would still not know about this in such detail...this was hidden in plain sight for 300 years by the U.S. government!!!!!!

I leave now as I am getting too emotional to be logical as I try to be...thanks Richard these things need to be told...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...AND WITH THIS TRUTH IN MIND THEN GO BACK AND SEE IF JEFFERSON WAS A RACIST AS THOUGHT BEFORE OR JUST A MAN BEFORE HIS TIME IN AMErica like say in the 1960s. "I" do.(smile)

Richard please do not answer my question, only think about it as this was happening during our life time...much lov and respect for all of our seeking minds...sometings it takes life and experiences to be able to accept soe things...but learning just as lif e it in any society is progressive and on going and changing for the best...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I will leave this subject on thos note...the African were put into Chattel slavery...this meant that they were not human but property...tis meant that unlike one of the greatest slaves in the Christian Bible was able to become more than a slave, but not in America...

IF WE EVER BEGIN TO START LOKING AT SLAVERY IN AMERICA AS IT REALLY WAS THEN WE WILL HAVE TO START OUR ARGUMENTS ON A TOTALLY NEW AND DIFFERENT PRIMISE THAT WE ALWAYS TEN TO DO...BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER FORM OF SLAVERY THAT WE CAN USE AS A CONTROL SUBJECT...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Richard, would you say that the blatent out in the open of racism of president L.B. Johnson that started this idea thiat is so popular today about the "Black single mother is the reason that you have been able to even learn about this great poet?!?


I need you honest answer so that I can try and get more of my point about Jefferson's out look as not a paradox at all, but manipulated history...dialogue is where it is at...education(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve, Jefferson is my hero because "I" learned these truths about him...actually this had a great affect on me that Ron Paul should go down in American history as the hero he is for trying to bring CHANGE in our plotical system to wipe out any and all who speak the truth about how and why we are not the great country we pretend to be...

and the truth coming as it is right now and all at once as it is in the century, it too much for us or any one else to be able to take, accept or know how to help stop what is now going to get much worst before it gets better...

WAR IS NEVER THE ANSWER...now it is Americans against each other...but, at least we are begining to stop blaming our mess on the color of our skins(?!?),,,we are all going under in this country as O-N-E!!!!("I" am not smiling)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
sorry Richard, "I" mean the negavtive things about Jefferson's having no respect for the Chatthel slaves...in fact "I" have said many times before on this site about the ALL MEN ARE EQUAL was a demand that the comocratic America no be able to own slaves at all...

and, he was forced to take this out(and I used the Public Option as an example) because this would not go over well in the south and the south was needed to fight the Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As "I" stated on one of your other blogs as related to thhs great and grand and giant of a dark skinned female...we have been only allowed until now the education about BIA from the version of the conquorers...and this is why I can not tahnk you enough for this series of TEACHING MOMENTS...long over due(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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