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Can someone tell me why we Christians can't get our act together? The bible tells us that we're part of one body, but we think we have done something great by dividing ourselves along denominational lines. I remember reading a biblical passage that says a kingdom divided cannot stand. What can we do to reconstitute The Body of Christian believers?
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Thursday, January 7th 2010 at 10:47PM
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powerful question sir and so on target. I have been dealing with the same issue, more churches are divided by administration then by belief. We have comlicated the things of God with things that does not honor Him. I think we need to be in prayer for those who are blinded or side track by these things and just share what is important things with the body of Christ which is the word of God. I have come it realize that my purpose is to write so I'm authoring books that will help others share the intimacy of God with God. I would ask the you continue your quest of purpose with the Lord because He's placing it in your heart also. See what it is He'll have you to do to spread the word which will help other focus on Him. My goal now in life is to seek those things that will bring glory to Him, if it doesn't honor God then I just move on...be blessed
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 12:54AM
Jerome Bell
[What can we do to reconstitute The Body of Christian believers?]

I say Boot out all the Pentecostals Preachers and their false Prosperity Only Gospel, then perhaps we can start to unify.
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 10:46AM
Jen Fad
I believe Christians are like any other, because we are human and thus are flawed and imperfect. So we get caught up in worldly things such as denominations, administrations, etc.

Jesus made it very plain in Matthew 22:37 when the lawyer asked Jesus which of the ten commandments was the most important, and he said: “"'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'”

You are a Christian by virtue of your willingness and want to do this. Nothing else really matters.

Friday, January 8th 2010 at 12:45PM
Thank you Jefrey for posting that serious question.

All of the comments are thoughtful and add something to the conversation--and I hope I can do so as well.

I am with you, Clark. "I believe Christians are like any other, because we are human and thus are flawed and imperfect." It's called THE HUMAN CONDITION.

Following the teaching of Christ is hard--it requires complete and total surrender.

"IF ANY MAN WILL COME AFTER ME, LET HIM DENY HIMSELF AND TAKE UP HIS CROSS DAILY AND FOLLOW ME." LUKE 9:23

What exactly does it mean to be crucified with Christ "DAILY"?

This is a standard that few of us can even think about. And yet, we keep trying. There is great virtue in faith.

Jerome writes of an "intimacy with God"--and that makes it intensely personal and indivual. You can't fake it. It seems to me that every single human being stands naked before God with their hearts and minds open to HIm. Some do it with utter humility and prayer, and others run into the woods to hide, like Adam and Eve. Our creator has given us free choice whether to seek him or not.

And so we come back to Clark's point--we humans are flawed, we are sick. We all know that something is seriously wrong in our lives. But every individual has to find their own way through this as best they can.

And Jen--I wish I knew more of the Pentacostal beliefs that you refer to so can properly evaluate your point. But I agree completely when you say that any "Prosperity Only" gospel is bound to focus on worldy matters and ignore spiritual values--and that makes it false.

BLESS YOU ALL!!

And thank you for the opportunity to share in a meaningful conversation.
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 1:13PM
Richard Kigel
It is my opinion that perhaps we would have been somewhat better off with the Roman Catholic Church rather than Martin Luther and the Ninety-Five Theses, the spark or beginning the Protestant movement. Just my two cents worth....

Friday, January 8th 2010 at 1:40PM
Jen Fad
I don't know Jen...The RC church has not been a stellar model of Christian Charity throughout the years.

I think it all goes back to the basic flaw in our human nature. I haven't found any large organization, religious or secular, where the members are exempt from the faults and foibles of neurotic behavior.

And this is most especially true of all the great world religions. Each scripture has different ways of interpreting it, their different teachings and their different followers. There are vehment and often deadly debates among sects that follow the same religion and read the same scripture!!!

I put it down to flaws in the human heart rather than flaws in religion or scripture. Just my opinion.
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 1:49PM
Richard Kigel
Hi,
God made the body of Christ with many different members. So we are not all going to be the same. Difference can be dynamic, so long as we die to self and let our Savior Jesus Christ have sovereignty over every area of our lives.

Michele Jackson, Editor www.reallifefaithmagazine.com

Friday, January 8th 2010 at 2:08PM
Michele Jackson
[I put it down to flaws in the human heart rather than flaws in religion or scripture. Just my opinion.]

Brother Rich I think Jeremiah's statement is relevant here:
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? www.biblegateway.com
--- and I agree with you on the errors in the human heart being a major culprit to the divisions in Christianity---



Friday, January 8th 2010 at 2:08PM
Jen Fad
Irma:

You are so right. And this is something many people easily forget.

I always things of history's earliest known scripture, the Rig Veda from India:

"GOD IS ONE. WE KNOW HIM BY MANY NAMES."

Back in the days before mass media connected every part of the world in an instant, when people rarely left their own village, the main purpose of religion was to gain converts within their own tribe.

Today, we have a situation where religion and its various interpretations is the most divisive and violent force on earth. In my opinion, the main purpose of religion in today's world is to help is learn how we can all live together in PEACE!!!

And if we don't--I think the consequences will be catastrophic!


Friday, January 8th 2010 at 2:50PM
Richard Kigel
Wow I'm loving this conversation family...Let me offer this for you consideration, I think that a major issue in the church has to deal with the passing down of rituals. I do believe that church leadership, be it pentacostal, baptist or whatever are trying and I believe for the most part that they are doing the right thing and I honor them for their efforts. But I also believe that satan is cunning and so many of them are caught up in teaching things that were past along in the word that are not bible based but has be come inlarged in them. So rather then teach the word for what it is they bend the word to make their point. We find today that there are many who are pastoring because it is what was past down the family line and many well meaners said them throughout the years, "yeah you gonna be a pastor I can see it." However that word was not from God so they struggle in their walk.
Now let me say this I know this is not in every case but I just wanted to point out how easily it can happen. So we look at them and say they are what's wrong with the church but ask yourself this...aren't we just as wrong? The bible says "Study to show they self approved" if we're studing and asking the right questions and praying for their minds and understanding could we not be helpful in this healing process? These things I ask myself because I want to know if God wants me to be still or act when Im facted with a situation.
The bottom line here is we need to pray before reading the word that God will unval our minds and spirits that we may receive wisdom and manner from Him. this is important so that we can focus on who we are through Christ, Romans 7&8 teaches us that through Christ we are no longer under the law of the flesh so that we're not subject to sin because of it. We died and are risen with Christ and so our flesh is dead and it warns us not to offer our body parts to sin which basicly means that when we sin we do it selfishly because we wanted to, not because of any predisposition. We've got a lot of inner word to do in the body of Christ that we might meet the great commission that was given to us. When God show us what's wrong I think we become bound to help make it right. If the word is not being shared in a clear fashion then what am I doing to ensure that when I share it that same thing doesn't happen? And then just how mauch am I sharing with others?
Knowing who we are in Christ should cause us to want to walk in excellence for the word say's we have been given the mind of Christ!
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 2:51PM
Jerome Bell
Irma I thing you can find simular issues in any denomination, as a matter of fact when thins are notaccoding to God's word I think He brings it to light. But I'm learning that this happens so that we can learn what He's not pleased so that we can do something about. Now that something might just be pray for that person. Loving your enemy's means that we pray for those who have wronged us and the church. God Himself will make the final judgement on them but also so on us if we don't show the knid of love that He's shown us.
I can tell you this, with all that I've done in my life God can forgive me, the I'm praying for everyone who's lost that they might yet come into a right spirit with God. These days I believe nothings impossible for God so I try to speak life into every situation because I know no matter how crazy it looks He can turn it around
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 3:19PM
Jerome Bell
You know what, Irma--I think you just hit the nail on the head.

This notion that "my religion is better than yours" has brought the world so much pain and suffering over the centuries. We see it even today. Even this week on this very website!

"YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS."

Well, the fruits from this particular idea have brought nothing but tragedy and misery to the family of man.
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 3:19PM
Richard Kigel
Yeah and you know what so crazy about that concept, ther will no penacostal, baptist, lutheran, roman cathlolic, church of Jesus Christ, COGIC, or any other section in heaven! Irma, Rich I don't think people think about that. What color your robes are and the fact that they light up and say Jesus accross the back won't get you no extra credits..lol
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 3:34PM
Jerome Bell
Yes, and we should realize that this "my religion is better than yours," that brings so much strife in the world, including on this site of late, is not of God; its of man.

Friday, January 8th 2010 at 3:48PM
Yeah Clark I think I know what you mean but the word does say that those who are not of the spirit will not understand and find the things of God as foolishness. We just pray that God will touch their minds and move on. And then we get blessed by this run on this blog, where people are honestly sharing and the fellowship is good. This blog has really made me think and focus on God in my life. This makes these sites worth it and who knows? Something that we have shared with those who cannot hear may be like planting a seed in which God will water in His time that it may show the increase. And if not then as long as we show respect in what we do, then done what God has asked us to do....Share it by lifting Him up and let Him draw!
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 4:01PM
Jerome Bell
All great lovers and students of the bible,

I was once considered a lover and student of the bible

--until I got to be 9 years old and realized my luthern mother and baptist father did not understand the same text and could not answer any questions that were raised by an english Protestant on our street or an Italian Roman Catholic teacher of mine.

I quickly realized that the new/oldtestaments in the Library wre also just paganeuropeanTransliteration of pagangreek translations, of hebrew and aramaic Language of Monotheistic Thought of The Creator of Adaam-the Father of All Men.

The Creator when asked a question by the created Adaam,--why can I not eat of that tree---The Creator of Adaam told him, "to me belongs all Knowledge"

Now a quick sampling of Matthew 22:23-33

The doctrines of Christ displeased the infidel Sadducees, as well as the Pharisees and Herodians. He carried the great truths of the resurrection and a future state, further than they had yet been reveled. There is no arguing from the state of things in this world, as to what will take place hereafter. Let truth be set in a clear light, and it appears in full strength. Having thus silenced them, our Lord proceeded to show the truth of the doctrine of the resurrection from the books of Moses. God declared to Moses that he was the God of the patriarchs, who had died long before; this shows that they were then in a state of being, capable of enjoying his favour, and proves that the doctrine of the resurrection is clearly taught in the Old Testament as well as in the New. But this doctrine was kept for a more full revelation, after the resurrection of Christ, who was the first-fruits of them that slept. All errors arise from not knowing the Scriptures and the power of God. In this world death takes away one after another, and so ends all earthly hopes, joys, sorrows, and connexions.
How wretched are those who look for nothing better beyond the grave!

Listening to this Blog, tires me because to think that you negros had since 1865 to start learning how to read, examine religious thougth and at least stop the stereotype of negroid laziness and caucasoid division and Learn the Great Scholarship that Our Creator has given man.

I suggest as a citizen of SecularDemocracy that Americans do as Our President Baraka Hussein Obama did when, as senator obama he said everything I learned in 20 years with the Reverend Jerimiah Wright was of an "OLD, different time"---Lets all just get along and help Our President Change our Great Nation.....







Friday, January 8th 2010 at 4:31PM
robert powell
Robert, if you want to share watch you believe is wisdom then you have a right to, but maybe you should consider the fact that with that sharing comes responsiblity. If you share with respect people are more likely to receive what you are offering. If you are so outraged that you can't do that then maybe you might consider not wasting your time reading the blog. Everyone has the right to walk their own path for if they are wrong then the penalty is theres and not your's. This is a world of choices and I'll honor yours and I ask that you honor others. This is simply rule of life that applies no matter what your belief.
Friday, January 8th 2010 at 4:48PM
Jerome Bell
Mr. Bell,

I, honor, the Original Scriptures of the old/new testaments so much that I took the extra time in my life to do as IsaIbnMaryam said----
If you know the Truth it will make you Free.

I honored so much that I made the effort to visit the lands of the old and newTestaments and AlQur'aan;

I honored so much that I live with the people of those lands.
I honored so much I learned the languages of the jew, the copt, the Muslim..

I, Love, based on my Efforts and Scholarship Great, Miraculous child of Maryam Al Imran----IsaIbnMaryam----I love this great prophet of Allaah more than my wife, children and myself, because The Creator Isa---has said that Judgement of the Children of Adaam will begin at the return of Prophet Isa.

I have developed a number of schools jerome, and kindergarten to 12th grade is One Unit of School.----the math and effort and scholarship of the k is not like 12th grade.-----
The kindergarten mind believes that 1+1=2 is Great Math and that is a blessing and the 12th Grade Calculus mind believes he has Great Math and that is also a blessing.

The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth has so much for The Sons of Adaam--yet that 1865 negro learning to read the slave masters versions is stereotypically lazy, n*ggardly behaviour.

Our 12th grade Math students are not better than Our kindergarten Math students, they have more effort, time and discipline in Math.

If you believe I dishonor you, OK. but every man can Work, Make Effort and succeed if they desire. If you feel it necessary to get on a Blog on the International Internet and profess a belief that drives your life, great; but dont expect me to let a kindergarden math student to DisHonor a 12th Grade Math students efforts.

Not in public.

I am actually a very private person, and I come to this BIA in an effort to Aid and Honor My President Baraka Hussein Obama--publically---

Irma, you know that I am a praying man, at least 8 prayers that Isa, or Mohamed would complete, from sunup to midnight...... so your good words on prayer are Wonderful to my bad hearing..........

love ya




Friday, January 8th 2010 at 9:02PM
robert powell
Hello Mr. Bell,

I want you to know that when it comes to what God has laid down you do not have a choice. Since you may not have, the wisdom to understand God laws is why God sends us prophets and we have wise man as well. Let me explain.

Let me begin by saying that you do not have the choice to shop around for a prophet to choose. For instance, the children of Israel have no voice to choose Prophet Moses as their prophet, am I right. Likewise, the Jewish people have no voice to tell God that they did not want Jesus to be their prophet, am I right as well. The Arabian people have no choice in choosing Prophet Mohammad as their prophet. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet and you, Mr. Bell had not a choice in the matter. Consequentially, what I am saying is that only God has the right to choose prophets. Am I making any sense with you so far?

What I am saying follows the same principle that you did not choose your parents. In other words, you did not have a voice to decide who your parents should be, am I right. Yet, God said that you should honor your mother and father. The same that you are to honor God choice of choosing your prophet. Do you get my meaning?

You should also notice that all prophets match the race of the people God sent them. All these factors play into your wisdom to know who your prophet is.

Read everything I say that you would thoroughly understand. Do not leave one stone unturned and if I have said anything wrong you, Mr. Bell take it upon yourself to correct me.

Tell me what you think and please do not run from me.

Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 2:04AM
Harry Watley
Sister Irma,
There is really no difference in what Pentecostal Preachers are doing today (selling salvation) than what the Priests were doing in the Roman Catholic church. I think Martin Luther had geniune heart and intentions with the Ninety-Five Theses when he wrote and posted them upon the door of the Catholic church, but look at where we are now--- I'd like to send you a green miracle prosperity cloth for a donation of any amount or how about this one--- God is telling me that I need people to send me seed offering to build this 'threshing floor' in order to pray for my partners in my ministry properly.

Come on guys--- I have really nothing great to say about the Pentecostals having been devastated under that particular sect or domination. If flies on walls could talk-- they would have a lot to say. To each his/her own, but I prefer Mass over any Pentecostal service anyday and time. Getting out of service in 1 hour say give or take 15 minutes sounds good to me. Plus taking sacrament and singing those beautiful hymns is wonderful indeed! To each his/her own.
Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 11:50AM
Jen Fad
Hey Guys!

It seems to me that every one of us is saying pretty close to the same things. I don't see anything controversial here.

What I am reading is that everyone has to find his or her own way to God. And I think it is a blessing to each of us that we have found a way that helps us through life.

I was deeply moved by the devotion in prayer expressed by you all. Here is one point Muslims and Christians can agree on. Prayer requires utmost humility--so in both traditions we kneel before God.
Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 12:42PM
Richard Kigel
[Here is one point Muslims and Christians can agree on. Prayer requires utmost humility--so in both traditions we kneel before God.]

Amen!
Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 1:20PM
Jen Fad
Hey Jen:

I am happy for you that your "devastating" experience in one particular church did not drive you away from God. It says something about your faith that you kept searching...and if you are happy with the way you have found, then all blessings to you!!!

PEACE!
Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 1:38PM
Richard Kigel
Hello Mr. Kigel,

All the Blacks in White America are lost, whether they be Christians, Muslims or N. D. Buddhists. I have pointed out and no one has said that I was wrong that God sends prophets to people by racially matching the people in the prophet.

I have pointed out that you cannot shop around and choose your own prophet or religion. The Hebrew people did not choose Moses or Judaism. The Jewish people did not choose Jesus or Judaism. The Arabian people did not choose Prophet Mohammad or Islam. What I am saying here follows along the same principle that no one has a choice in choosing whom their parents should be, yet God warns you to honor your parents, am I right.

Consequentially, the biggest and most ignorant people in White America are Black Americans. Black Americans are the people who have always been on the bottom. Naturally, being on the bottom correlates to ignorance am I right. In other words, being on the bottom and ignorance go hand in hand.

Blacks have no right to choose our religion, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves” or me as their prophet. God solely makes these decisions for all people whom God had sent a prophet to, am I right.

Without a doubt, I have an uphill climb with my people to put them on track as Moses had with his Hebrew people since they had all falling to the worship of the Egyptian gods and religion. Black Americans has fallen to the worship of Christianity and Islam. I know you are intelligent enough to see the correlation and understand every bit of what I say.

All Black BIA members read what I say and none could say that I am wrong. Blacks know that they are guilty before God as the Hebrew people felt the guilt as Moses showed them their wrongs. Psychologically Blacks are practicing self-hatred. The Hebrew people practiced self-hatred over 400 and 20 more years that it took Moses to give them the kiss of life in order to lead them out of Egypt and into The Promised Land, am I right.

White America must let my people go mentally from their religion of Christianity and physically from their subjugation in White America. Black Americans must become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent and be free to worship God as God have inspired me.

Tell me what you think.

Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 2:06PM
Harry Watley
no richard,

Irma makes a Tremendous point here, History is so important; it is Scholastic, it is in front of us in libraries and internet worldwide.

Successful Doctors have to study the history of medicine, along with sciences and before they are allowed to work independently they have to develop A History of their own to be Certified.

Americans are of Native, European, African and Asian Origin.

Religiously Americans are of Native, European, African and Asian Origin.

America was developed we are told for Religious Tolerance and the UnAlienable Right of men and women to be free to In God We Trust.

Of Course, our history 1492-1865+ showed europeanChristian people not acknowledging in christianPractice that Native, African, and Asian men and women were not Human Beings or of the same Family of Adaam, The First man created by Creator---that's 400+ years of the Majority not understanding Isa Ibn Maryam.................

The popes, calvins, martin luthers, kingjameses, kingRichard the lionhearters, guttenburgs, copernicusus, galileos, leonardo da vincis, Darwins, jeffersons, benFranklins, all the "Greatestest Minds" of that 400 year period did NOT live the lives of The Family of Adaam, No Noahs, No Abrahams, No Moses,.....

WHY?

The religious history of Europe was particularly complex before Christianity.
In 55; Before IsaIbnMaryam(BC) the Roman Empire had invaded England, pushing the Celts to Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and the rest of the United Kingdom.

The Roman Empire spread paganReligions such as Mithraism and the Sovereign Roman cult throughout Europe

MonotheisticThought of course had its origins in Palestine during the Roman Empire Colonization.

In Europe, Before the spread of The Roman Empire and Christianity, each country had its own indigenousPaganReligions(thor, odin, eggs, christmas trees, santa etc).

Before, 1000 the Celtics throughout Europe, reaching as far north as England by 450 BC to be followed by GermanicPagan tribes such as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, during 0-1000.

The celts, angles, saxons, visigoths had great resistance to the New religion that the 200 year old Holy Roman Empire of Christianity---the Romans had not been like Adaam, or Noah, or IsaIbnMaryam--in fact some still believe romans killed IsaIbnMaryam.

It was not until the 700s , that Christianity had much success in Northern Europe when missions from Ireland Christianised much of England and Northern Europe; but the occupying Saxons resisted until they were Converted at swordpoint in 804.
Even at this time, Christianity was not secure in North West Europe, for the Norwegian and Danish VIKINGS, who were not Christianised until 1100, were kidnapping, stealing and killing in areas of England, France, Germany, and the Netherlands from 900-1100.

Scandinavia and the Balkans were Christianised very late compared to the rest of Europe (Scandinavia in the 11th century, Poland in 966, Hungary 1001, and Lithuania in 1387)

The long years of religious Crusades(nordicTheftRaids) led to a greater knowledge of AlIslaam and the introduction of scholastic knowledge, science, literature and Monotheistic thought of Adaam unknown in Europe in the Dark Ages but openly practiced in the Muslim Empires of Africa, Asia and of course the middle east..

The paganEuropean of these Dark Ages, around 1000, when confronted with men of africa, asia, and the middleEast and REALIZED that they; the European; 1000 years after IsaIbnMaryam, was the most barbaric, unclean, decadent follower of MonotheisticThought in the known World.

Their journey in the 'NewWorld', made them decide that Monotheistic Thought needed to be centered around, MAN, not CREATOR--of Adaam.

galileo I believe is still excommunicated in 2010 from christianity because he theorized as the Muslims did that the earth, the home of Man, is not the Center of the Universe.......

That, in a short brief, is myThought why europeanchristians then decided that a MAN had to represent The Creator, jesus.

And the Man to them was, Colored European, Adaam colored european, IsaIbnMaryam also of birth, like, Adaam without woman became their barbaric addition to their Short Scholarship of Monotheistic Thought

And then the colors of Natives, Africans, Asians made them NOT human, not Family of colored white Adaam.---the non colored whites became ----
'negro race, red race?-- yellow race and from 1492-1865 they were not of the Family of the colored white Adaam.......how juvenile....................

And No I do NOT agree in any part, to the usage of Racialism and Racialist additions from the paganChristianity.

That is barbaric usage of the Miraculous, Great Prophet of Allaah -- IsaIbnMaryam.

A devastation of Monotheistic Thought of The Creator





Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 3:14PM
robert powell
Robert:

Wow! This is amazing scholarship! Graduate level thesis material. Clearly, you have studied this with dedication and thoroughness.

Your historical point of view is definitely non-mainstream--but in no way does this invalidate your points. In my opinion, there is much here for me to learn.

All I can say is...WOW!!! And thanks for your efforts.

Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 6:14PM
Richard Kigel
Hello to All,

You all can chant prayers, pat each other on the back and talk a lot of scholarship nonsense. I will tell you this that are great day of change is on the horizon are all Black Americans that are descendents of slaves.

Black Americans will become a sovereign people portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.

White America will be hard-pressed. Nevertheless, they will be happy of our sovereignty.

Everything that I say is going to happen as everything that Moses said happened.

Okay.

Saturday, January 9th 2010 at 7:28PM
Harry Watley
Mass was wonderful yesterday as it marked the end of Christmas for Catholics. The Rev. Father talked about the symbolism of water--- regeneration, newness, rebirth for which he correlated it with the earth will soon ready itself for the season of spring. I was deeply touched by the message. At the end of the mass, he told us not to forget how precious water is so as I left the church, I dipped my hand in a bowl of water that always sits on the table at the entrance as a reminder to me of how good God is.

Monday, January 11th 2010 at 10:10AM
Jen Fad
...My symbolicly dipping my hand in water may sound silly, but have you all ever thought of the significance of water and how vital it is? --- the human body will shut down and die without it---
Monday, January 11th 2010 at 10:14AM
Jen Fad
Hey Jen:

Your appreciation of the depth of the layers of meaning in such a simple substance as water is so profound.

You made me think of how powerful the simple molecules of H20 are.

Drops of water falling on such a hard object as rock, over time, can cause it to weaken and split. Water falls the the sky as GIFT--AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT OR MAKE IT COME! It nourishes the ground--a drought is a human disaster. Crops can't grow without water.

And as a nurse, I am sure you know how similar blood and water are in composition. I think it is the water in blood that allows it to circulate through the body to nourish it.

Fluid is a word we use to describe situations that change quickly. usually, it is a good thing.

Water is often used as a metaphor for spirit because it flows endlessly. There is an ancient Greek saying--YOU CAN'T STEP IN THE SAME RIVER TWICE. It is always changing--and yet it never changes. A paradox that makes it a perfect symbol for spirit.

This is what jesus meant by his metaphor: RIVERS OF LIVING WATER. He was talking about the constant flow of eternal spirit within us.

Man...all that because you shared your experience of dipping your hand in water.

Thank you, Jen, for sharing the gift of your thoughtfulness. You truly inspired me to look at water in a deeper way!
Monday, January 11th 2010 at 11:52AM
Richard Kigel
Brother Rich,
Wow and what a very powerful reflection! This very well confirms your gift as a teacher and agree with you on both your points regarding water being needed to allow blood to circulate through the body as well as the use of water to describe the Spirit of God within us.

I remember the first time the Holy Spirit was explained to me as water or a life spring, refreshing me continually. It was a 'light bulb' moment for me and I never forgot it. Isn't it amazing how much we need water? Regardless of those adverts on television, it's still the best thing yet to quench a thirst; It ain't Gatorade that is full of sodium & makes you thirstier. I guess that's the point so you buy more!! ((Lol)


Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 3:51AM
Jen Fad
Hello Jen,

I do not want to bust your bubble. There is no such thing as Holy Spirit where Black Americans are concerned.

The Holy Spirit is Mr. Kigel thing, meaning that it is a White thing.

You, Ms. Jen are not the same as White people are. You are as different from a White woman as you are from a Japanese woman. Now do not confuse what I am saying that you all the same women before God, but you are still different from each of her in life and on this earth.

Consequentially, each race has its own road to God. You cannot walk on White people’s road to God. You must walk on your own road to God. Chinese people must walk on their own road to God. Do you understand where I am coming from?

Our religion is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”. Mr. Kigel’s religion is Christianity.

God deals with each race differently since each race are different from each other and have different problems and needs. Therefore, each race has their own religion. The Arabian people have Islam. The Jewish people have Judaism. Do you get the drift of what I am saying?

Now, I am not saying that Christianity is wrong. I am not saying that the Holy Spirit is wrong either. What I am saying is that those items are not your items. Those items belong to Mr. Kigel.

The time has come that you must leave Mr. Kigel in order to accept what God have for you. Now, this does not mean that you and Mr. Kigel cannot continue your friendship. All it means is that you, Ms. Jen is coming into your own.

As Black Americans, we will soon become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. God is going to do for us what God did for the Hebrew people in the days of Moses.

Tell me what you think.

Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 6:41AM
Harry Watley
Mr. Falkerson

jenFad,

You do understand that my writing style on BIA is influenced by you; aaAA
I say this because all the Descendants of Adaam are a part of those drops of Water that were put into the dirt, clay, and mud to create; The Father of Mankind, Adaam and that water of Growth is so vital for fulfilling the Purpose of the created by The Creator.

As I show in my, mainstreamWorldwide majority, comment above,
Why do BIA follow the Thought of the thief, kidnapper, rapist, pagan in Our practice and and discipline of MonotheisticThought from Our Creator?

Do we show the courage of Our Father Adaam?---
Adaam loved his mate eveHowah so much that he indulged her over His Creator.

Do we show the strength of character of Our Father Adaam?----
Adaam had to live with the knowledge of one of his sons introducing death in Our Family--yet he moved on to produce and Unify The Kingdom that The Creator Made for him and His descendants.
Lets learn MonotheisticThought

now back in SecularDemocratic America; let us show some courage and character and assist Our Leader and Sovereign President Baraka Hussein Obama with the Change we have been waiting for.



Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 9:05AM
robert powell
Dar Mr. Whatley:

What???

Did you say that the notion of "Holy Spirit" is a "White Thing"?

This is the first time I have ever heard anybody say that.

Good luck trying to convince the millions upon millions of African Christians. And don't forget the simple fact that there are more Christians in Africa than there are in Europe.
Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 11:07AM
Richard Kigel
Hello Mr. Kigel,

I am surprise that you had not figured out the, “Holy Spirit” is a White thing.

I could see you do not really understand in depth the things I say. Well, repeating helps an individual to learn. So, let me explain this to you once again.
Every man that is born into this world has to be born into a race. For example, Jesus was born into the Jewish race. You cannot deny that. Next, every man is limited to his own race from A to Z. For instance, Jesus will generally have the features and traits that all Jews commonly share that the
Romans do not have. Now, just as Jesus is limited to the Jewish race physically he is also limited in all other respects, which means that the message that God gave him was only for the Jewish people and that is why Jesus said he came to the house of Israel, am I right.

Okay, what I am trying to open your eyes to is that by the same means God rose up Jesus for his own people God have risen me up only for my own people as well who are Black Americans that are descendents of slaves. Consequentially, we are not African people. Africans and Black Americans are entirely two distinctly different people. Therefore, the African Christians are not my people. Black Americans are my people.

By now, you understand how the Holy Spirit is a White thing since God did not give it to me. God have anointed me just a few years ago and inspired me to know what belongs to Black Americans and what belongs to White Americans. One of my purposes is to religiously separate Black Americans from White Americans. In other words, the same thing that Moses did when he religiously separated his Hebrew people from the worship of the Egyptian people I have to do as well. You know that Hebrews and Egyptians are entirely two different people just as Blacks and Whites are two distinctly different people as well, am I right.

So, have I explained well enough that you could understand that this thing you call the, Holy Spirit is a White thing?

Tell me what you think.

Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 2:30PM
Harry Watley
Dear Mr. Whatley:

"So, have I explained well enough that you could understand that this thing you call the, Holy Spirit is a White thing?"

Actually, what you have explained to me is your OPINION about the Holy Spirit. You are certainly entitled to your opinon.

I have a different opinion. And I have two thousand years of religious and spiritual tradition, reflection, study and writings from several different religious traditions that acknowledge the Universal Divine Spirit in all creatures (YOU TOO, HARRY!!!) .

Now, I do want you to know that I respect your opinioin and I am making no effort to change your views. You like your opinion--so you can keep it.

I disagree with your opinion about the Holy Spirit and I am going to hold on to my opinion.

I expect you to give me the same courtesy I am giving you--telling you that you have every right to your opinion--and God BLess You for it!!!.

PEACE!!!

Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 10:15PM
Richard Kigel
Hello Mr. Kigel,

I had not trying to take the Holy Spirit from you, especially when I tell you that the Holy Spirit is a White thing.

I am just simply telling you that when God anointed me to lead my people out of the physical and mental subjugation of White America the Holy Spirit was something I am to dislodge my people, Black Americans from this thing of yours called the Holy Spirit.

I compared and contrasted what I am doing as the same thing that Moses did with his people dislodging the Hebrew people from the worship in ways of the Egyptian people. In other words, it was not Moses opinion one way or the other about the authenticity of the Egyptian’s many gods they worshiped. Moses concern and focus was strictly on his Hebrew people as God had commanded him to do. The same is the case with me.

The Holy Spirit was imposed on my ancestors many years ago and passed down to their descendents. Now that God has risen me up to lead my people out of White America’s way of worship and into our own way of worship, eventually White America will still have their way of worship and the Holy Spirit. Black Americans will have a new way of worship without the Holy Spirit. Black America’s religion is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Want Descendents of Slaves. “ Have I made any sense with you?

Tell me what you think.

Tuesday, January 12th 2010 at 11:58PM
Harry Watley
richard and harry,

If You are translating: RoohAllaah or TanzilAlQur'aan -- as Holy Spirit----?

I would agree with richard that it is a Scholastic Reference of OVER 2000 years; because Our Father Adaam received RoohAllaah.....

Now the black/white thing;
that I agree with both of you is a europeanRacialist imagination.


Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:29AM
robert powell
Hello Robert,

I do not think you really understand what I am saying to Mr. Kigel about the Holy Spirit. Regardless that Al Quran and the Bible mentions the Holy Spirit, it is still a White thing to Black Americans. In other words, White European people introduced this Holy Spirit deal to Black Americans. The Jews never said anything about the Holy Spirit in their Torah. Therefore, the Holy Spirit deal is a White thing out of the imagination of White European people. Now, I am not saying anything negative, positive or indifference about White people’s Holy Spirit. I am simply saying I want the Holy Spirit out of the minds of Black Americans, my people.

I believe by comparison and contrast with Moses I am explaining the same problems Moses had with his people embracing the religious beliefs of the Egyptian people that they were to leave on the other side of the river and not take into the Promised Land. Remember that the Hebrew people were in bondage and slavery to the Egyptian people over 400 years and were taught the religion of the Egyptian people. Black Americans has been in bondage over 400 years to White American people and was taught the Christian religion of White America. Later on White America allowed the religion of Al Islam to be taught to Black Americans as well. However, neither one of these religions are legitimately the religion of Black Americans. The legitimate religion of Black Americans is, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”. When Black Americans embraced the religion of White America and the Arabian people Black Americans have psychologically submitted themselves to be led and subjugated, which makes Black Americans and inferior people until God comes for us. Were not the Hebrew people inferior people to the Egyptians? Of course they were until God sent Moses, am I right. Likewise, God sent me to get Black Americans from Christianity and Al Islam as well, am I right.

Consequentially, Mr. Elijah Muhammad could not have been our genuine Prophet since all he was doing was trading Christianity for Al Islam, which were no advancement for Black Americans, am I right. We must have our own, which must come strictly from God through the prophet to us as it happened with Moses for the Hebrew people, Prophet Mohammad for the Arabian people and Jesus for the Jewish people. Now, I who am a Black American will give to Black Americans what God had given to me. The precedent of God is being followed, am I right. Am I making any sense with you all?

Now, I want Black Americans also to leave alone the Arabian religion of Al Islam. In other words, how could Black Americans receive anything from God if they strongly believe that what others have gotten from God is good for them? Black Americans are loaded down with ignorance. For instance, in their right hand is Christianity and in their left hand is Al Islam. Black Americans have not a third hand to receive what God has for them, am I rationally right.

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 9:32AM
Harry Watley
Great scholarship Robert!

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 9:39AM
Hello Clark,

Of course, you would see it as you do since Robert and you are under the spell of White Americans’ Holy Spirit deal. It is the same as ignorance agreeing with ignorance. As Jesus said, a House divided cannot stand. So, if both Robert and you are blind then that’s a House united in blindness.

Now, how I know that I am right is because neither one of you could explain what this Holy Spirit thing is except something imaginary. The thoughts ancient people had about the god Zeus and Jupiter is the same as the White Holy Spirit deal you all have swallowed completely.

For the Holy Spirit to have such great significance and yet imaginary shows that all your wheels are not turning in the same direction. In other words, significance and imaginary are not going the same direction. One is real while the other is not, am I right.

I have always been a person to be open to the possibility I could be wrong and perhaps I have the qualities that cause God to anoint to me as Black Americans first genuine prophet. Prove, rationally speaking to the best of your intellectual abilities this White Holy Spirit deal exist and I will follow you instead of God.

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 10:17AM
Harry Watley
Dear Mr. Whatley:

Your statement: "The Jews never said anything about the Holy Spirit in their Torah" is factually incorrect. I am looking at STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE as I write this. I am seeing dozens and dozens, perhaps 150, uses of the Hebrew word RUWACH which we translate as "SPIRIT". The literal meaning is BREATH.

The writers of the NEW TESTAMENT used the Greek word PNEUMA for SPIRIT. It means BREATH.

This shows the utter absurdity of your claim that "Therefore, the Holy Spirit deal is a White thing out of the imagination of White European people."

No matter what you say or what you believe, European people did not imagine BREATH.

BREATHING is not a white thing or a black thing or any other class of humans kind of thing. It is not a human invention. Come on, now! Get real.

But honestly--I support your right to believe anything you want!!!
Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 11:24AM
Richard Kigel
The prophet has spoken. Oh well.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 2:36PM
Hello Mr. Kigel,

Mr. Kigel I understand what you are saying. I understand spirit, breath, and its spiritual implications. I said before I am not saying anything negative, positive or indifference to your understanding and embracing of the Holy Spirit. I maintain that the Holy Spirit is a ‘White’ thing, which should mean to you that I reserve the right spiritually to instruct my people, Black Americans of God as God have inspired and guides me to do.

I am in the same circumstances as Moses was when he reserved the right to spiritually instruct his people, the children of Israel of God that was different from the Egyptian people’s way since Moses was God anointed prophet to the children of Israel and not any Egyptian person or prophets, am I right.

Therefore, I do not want Black Americans embracing this Holy Spirit deal of a ‘White Holy Spirit or Breath’ thing. This is a White spiritual teachings, am I right.

In other words, what God has for’ Whites’ is different from what God has for ’Blacks’. It should not be difficult for you to grasp the gravity of what I am saying. Blacks and Whites have the same God, but different prophets. Whites have their prophets and Blacks have me, Prophet Harry. Now, I have not taken anything away from you, have I?

For example, if you started out in conversation with me with 17 prophets you still have the same 17 prophets even after Blacks have abandoned the Christian religion for their own religion, am I right. Therefore, what is your gripe?

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 2:37PM
Harry Watley
Dear Mr. Whatley:

"I reserve the right spiritually to instruct my people, Black Americans of God as God have inspired and guides me to do. "

Yes you do have that right!!! And AMEN!!!

Now what is my gripe? I don't have a beef with you! None whatsoever. As I said earlier--you can believe anything you want!




Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 2:47PM
Richard Kigel
Hello Mr. Kigel,

I believe you are missing the point again. The issue is not whether I can believe whatever I want. The issue is my right as Black Americans first genuine Prophet spiritually to instruct my people, Black Americans.

I compared and contrasted my circumstances to be precisely the same with Prophet Moses having the right spiritually to instruct his people of Judaism and to abandon the Egyptian’s gods in way of worship. In doing so I am checking myself that you would have to agree with me, am I right. In other words, if I am wrong then Moses was wrong and if Moses was wrong then God is wrong and the only one that is right is you, am I right.

Tell me what you think.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 3:05PM
Harry Watley
Hello Mr. Whatley:

I don't know why you feel you have to argue with people who AGREE with you! I already said that I totally agree that you have the "right as Black Americans first genuine Prophet spiritually to instruct my people, Black Americans."

That is your God Given right and nobody can take it from you.

I don't agree with many of your points--like your claim that "the Holy Spirit is a White thing" that White Europeans cooked up in their imagination.

I don't think you will get very many people to agree that the BREATH OF LIFE is a "white thing" invented by white people.

But--I remain a strong believer that everybody should have an opportunity to see their dreams come true. So I wish you well in your quest.


Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:22PM
Richard Kigel
harry, harry,

get your glasses out and medicine, You say: " i'm under the spell of white holy spirit"

come on harry, you know me better by now.
Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:27PM
robert powell
Hello Mr. Kigel,

Please accept my apology since I was Miss understanding you. Of course, I would look foolish to argue with you when you agree with me.

Mr. Kigel what I am saying is that my people, Black Americans got this Holy Spirit deal from your people, White people. If it was something nothing scientific and provable instead of metaphoric than I could not say it was a White thing. However, since it is metaphoric than it is named after the people that originated this metaphoric fantasy and that is why I say that the Holy Spirit is a White thing. I cannot say that there is anything wrong with it. I am simply saying that it is a White thing since my people; Black Americans got it from your people, White people.

Consequentially, you could imagined the uphill climb that I have tearing Black people found these old White European metaphoric concepts as the Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost and the Comforter.

I do not want my peoples heads filled with this stuff. Do I have a point?

Incidentally, I appreciate your good wishes.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:53PM
Harry Watley
Hello Robert,

I thought that you were agreeing with Mr. Kigel about that White Holy Spirit deal. But, if you were not agreeing then please accept my apology.

I do not recall Prophet Mohammad ever talking about the Holy Spirit. So, I was surprised that you were agreeing with Mr. Kigel because I know that the Holy Spirit is a White thing.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with it, except that I am saying that it is a White thing.

With that, please accept my apology.

Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 8:59PM
Harry Watley
Come on harry you follow this closer than anyone, but you do not need to apologize-

I know you and your Steadfastness is Admireable.
Your politeness 91.6% of the time is the finest I have seen in the Virtual Internet and in any community I have visited.
Whatever the discussion you as a prophetINyourMind, bring it all back.

Hey Nuhnoah for 100+ years helled and built, and then his own family was not spared, hey in yourprophecy some are doomed, maybe....

But you have to understand all of us, you have to mend our thoughts and be aware of them, always.

Thats extraordinary, I believe that is why I sit down for a few moments a day to see if you can maintain that dedication, discipline and Scholarship.

Educated, lazy, ignorant, doopDealer, hopeless, strong, poor, rich, rib-eating, cheese eating, ripple drinking, virile, black, tan, yellow, indian--you'aall take em all to their promised land--you got the only best thing for em---

i am an old man that is impressed, not in agreement, you work it.....








Wednesday, January 13th 2010 at 9:34PM
robert powell
Sister Irma,
It is so true that we over look the little things in life. I have to say that I can't help but chuckle at the dialogue of our fellow BIA brothers on the site. I find them rather fascinating, don't you Sister Irma? ((LMBO))
Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 3:11AM
Jen Fad
Hello Robert,

I must humbly say I am much honored that my steadfastness is admirable and my politeness is above 90% in your opinion. No doubt, we have come a far way that you understand me since I am the one with a different message from the usual.

Robert, you are not so old and so impressed that you could not change. You must change. But, bear in mind I respect and love Prophet Mohammad, Al Quran and Al Islam since I know Prophet Mohammad got his thing for his people from the same God I am getting my thing from for my people. Consequentially, Prophet Mohammad and I have a close rapport even though he has passed some 1400 years now. Prophet Mohammad and I are two genuine prophets risen up by the same God Allah to serve our own people.

Again, you must change as long as you have life and understanding in you, especially for your children’s sake. They must know that they are not Muslims. They must know that Prophet Mohammad and Al Quran are not their guidance.

Robert, we as Black Americans that is all 41 million of us and me as our genuine Prophet are starting out new. We have never been in a situation such as this that only with Allah God to guide us. I am in the same exact circumstances as Prophet Mohammad and Prophet Moses were in. They had only Allah God to guide them. They were not guided by other people’s religion. They did not borrow anything from someone else reshaped it and went on from there. For instance, the Torah did not guide Prophet Mohammad. Prophet Mohammad was strictly guided by God.

Mr. Elijah Muhammad essentially took Al Islam, reshaped it into Islam, and fed it to our people in the Nation of Islam. Consequentially, he did not get his thing from God since God does not work as that.

Likewise, you have not heard me say that Al Quran or the old and New Testament of the Bible guides me. Prophet Mohammad never said that a man guided him either. Prophet Mohammad said that only Allah God guided him. You have not heard me say that any man guides me either. Unlike Mr. Elijah Muhammad who adamantly said that Dr. Fard Muhammad guided him and we know that, Dr. Fard Muhammad is a man and not God.

I said all that to say that I am truly the first genuine Prophet of God to Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. Everything that I say is going to happen. God constantly inspires me starting approximately 2 years ago. The thoughts that I expresses strictly come from God in my head.

Tell me what you think.

Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 2:08PM
Harry Watley
Amazing,

again I may understand the mental, physical and emotional strain that must place on a human body, ---- as yourMind-Prophet of God---

you dont use old/new testament- bagivadghetta, book of the dead-nothing?

is it just the physical, mental and physchological yearning of the descendants of slaves that drives you - your love for them?

wow-
Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 2:28PM
robert powell
Hello Robert,

You are wonderful. You are precisely right. You said this, “is it just the physical, mental and physchological yearning of the descendants of slaves that drives you - your love for them?”

Robert, again you are exactly right. But, please do not ever forget that God inspires and guides me as well.

It was the love that Moses had for his people that caused God to anoint Moses as the children of Israel’s prophet. Jesus had a strong love for his people as well, but his people rejection of him overwhelmed him that he deserted them and God caused him to be crucified because he also disappointed God big time. I know the truth of what I am saying despite what Al Quran says.

A prophet’s responsibilities are many and tremendous, life threatening and very difficult. It was times that Moses would pull his hear out of his head. It was times he would cry and walk the streets as though he was crazy. Being a prophet is very stressful. It weighs in against your love for your people. Prophet Moses came out on the right side. Prophet Jesus did not. Prophet Mohammad came out on the right side. I shall come out on the right side as well.

We all know that despite God anointing of us, we still must vigorously pray for God help constantly. Jesus did not. Jesus was sort of bighead until it hit him that he had done wrong by taking his message to the Gentiles instead of sticking it out with his people through thick and thin since he was sent from the very beginning strictly to the house of Israel.

Yes Robert, only God guides me and I claim no allegiance to anything else.

You are a thinker.



Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 6:45PM
Harry Watley
spectacular harry,

are you visited by Malaeeka-angels?

do you walk with inspiration like Al Khidr; who walked and taught Musa?

thank you for the thinker comment, i just try to stay knowledgeable with living, work and reading.


Friday, January 15th 2010 at 9:13AM
robert powell
Hello Robert,

I do not know what angels are. Prophets are different from each other and have different experiences. So, I am not saying that Mohammad did not see an angel. I am not saying that Moses did not see a burning bush, literally or metaphorically because I do not know. What I know are the things that I am experiencing that nobody could knock down. Some people seems to feel that if I don’t experience what Mohammad experienced then I am not a prophet and what I am saying is false. Some people also feel that if I do not speak out of Al Quran and the Bible then I am not Black America’s first genuine prophet. But, I tell them that they are being irrational because the Bible and Al Quran is not my book and I am not Mohammad or Jesus. I am a new prophet added to all the others and God is my guide as God was Mohammad’s guide in his day and time. Am I making sense with you Robert?

What I know is that God explains things to me, which all takes place in my head. No voices or images do I see or hear.

Again, things are explained to me that I need to know from time to time. Then, I develop the questions and statements to ask and say to you all or anybody.

For instance, God explained to me what happened with Jesus for the purpose that the same thing does not happen to me. Furthermore, Jesus, Moses and Mohammad are essential since Black Americans are under the spell of Jesus and Mohammad. But, Moses is my sign that I must use. God had instructed me from the very beginning always to refer to Moses. In other words, I must get Black Muslims and Christians to understand what God did for Moses and the children of this real God will do no less for us, Black Americans.

God explained to me what Moses and Mohammad personally went through after being anointed. God explains to me what is to happen concerning Black Americans. Now, I do not know when God is going to explain anything to me. These inspirations just come and many of them I have forgotten.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Friday, January 15th 2010 at 5:12PM
Harry Watley
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Friday, March 19th 2010 at 8:35PM
Ivett Jackson
Hello Ms. Jackson,

You said this, “I agree, we are one all in Christ, and we are to love one another as Christ loves us and gave himslef for us all.”

I would suppose that you are referring to Jesus since I have heard people make similar statement. Anyway, what do you mean that we are all one in Christ? I believe that Jesus was a Jew and I am a Black American man. Jesus and I are two different races, am I right. So, what do you mean that we are all one in Christ (Jesus)?

Tell me what you think.



Sunday, March 21st 2010 at 6:21PM
Harry Watley
"I" believe we should at least try to enclude in this dialogue which religion's Bible were are refering to. It is also important to try and look at if it is the not the individual(s) that is causing the division and not the words of that religion,...

because "I" persoanlly know of no religion that does not to at least try to bring about PEACE ON EARTH.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Jen from what I know about Martin Luther is that he was fighting against what we see today in these mega churches whee the more money you have and the money you could give to the chruch was the way to get into heaven...

And, although these people got their wealth off the backs of those working themslelves to death or dying from lack of food, because they were doing this so that their masters could give bigger and bigger donations to the POPE is wrong in my book and knowing you my sister you also believe this is against the teachings of you Boble.(smile)

BUT, THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAS THE PROBLEM LUTHER HAD WITH THE WAY THE BIBLE WAS BEING TAUGHT/ ABUSED...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I believe that one of the main points in all forms of Buddhism is the teachings of unity/balance of man with nature verses man as the ruler over nature in its trying to social, put our natural need instinct to survive as either GOOD OR BAD....or evil vs goodness against we all have these powers to do either or...

Too many religions put too much limits on our natural need to change our environment to better suit our needs by controling our thoughts to this is not for us to be able to do, because we have no control over what we do or we say...

I am as I keep saying on this site..only "I" am responsible for the causes I make for me and my environment and the effects that come from them...after I pray, I believe that I am the one to make what I want, need to be provided be provided...or in other words "I refuse to remove me from my life, period and my life's quest is to continue to learn all that I can be it wsome thing I agree with or not, like or not...(smile)

but more important "I' believe that the religion that one choses is the correct one for them, just not me.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Here is another major mistake "I' bleieve that mankind makes..we refuse to not step in the other person's shoes, just say they are wrong, different...how many of us humans have claws and not fingers> Hair and not fur...the power to speak from our mouths, and so on and so forth....WAKE UP.(smile) example,

I will never say you have no right to like pineapple because I don't like it...I would never not be who I am or what I have done with my life and "I" do chant(pray)that all of you feel the same way about your selves... THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT GOD MEANS, NO MATTER WHAT NAME OR IN WHICH LANGUAGE OR EVEN SIGN LANGUAGE MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anything even words can be come a deadly weapon...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I will repeat, "I" as a major in African and African-American study at UCD upon learning that there would have been Africans classified as not human therefore they must be put into chattel slavery for us to be able to get souls could never have happened if not for the Pope...

"I" have said this is why "I" have never set foot in another Catholic church..."I" have also said that "I" never pass a catholic curch without making the sign of the cross, and how I still do this when an amblance passe me or a furneal passes me...

I have also said the "I" am a practicing N.D. Buddhist and "I" sitll believe in Christ...

"I" have also said many, many times that if "I" had not left the Catholic church when "I" did that "I" would have had to leave after learning about the 50 years of child s*x abuse, because some how "I" would feel that as a member of this faith, "I" in some way helped to contribute to these abuses.."I" at that time also saw the preist as our earthly father and along with many of the parents would PROUDLY have believed the children were lying!!!!!!!!!

I have said all of this and I still stand by it as the best choice for M-E at that time and now...and may I also add if a nun is fully qualified to act like a priest in thos jungles then why is she not qualified our in open society...I aslo believe that the Catholic church is its own worst enemy by its resistance to treat females as equal and as more and more preist are being found our as having faull grown children in their long term marriages that the members refuse to trun in and when they do this means less and less priest...well time will tell if the POpe himself is right that this church is heading for extention...

I believe in truth ove any thing and reality can only be denied for so long.(smile)

PEACE...because "I" still believe that each person has the moral and legal rights to believe that their faith in their religion is their right and I will say again I never call N.D. Buddhism a religion as the word religion causes too many problems for mankind as far as "I" am concerned..I have most of my time trying to get people pass the aotomatic belief the I worship an idol since I have not had a religious figure in my home since I stop being apracting Catholic...



# NOTE:
I shall let it go now with an nopen apology to my sister Jen...my remark about religious Bible was meant for the blogger and not the commenters...we as one can see uses many different faiths and beliefs in our teachings...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
And, brother Richard, may I just add how common sense and self responiability is so avoided along with trying to be the best person we can be, because we treat others as we want them to treat us is like a No,NO(smile)

BUT, "I" DO LOVE AND RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE ON THIS SITE FOR SHARING WITH ME A LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE....
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Hey Jen, I remember long ago I saw a special on water, and rivers and something was said during the program that I had never thought of before about a the endless might in a simple drop of water...

it was how some of us believe that an earth quake is the most powerful force on earth, but it is water...and, to prove this it went to the grandcanyon and to some different beautiful water falls to show how water moves solid rock with little efforts. I t was just beautiful. So many little things we over look.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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