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IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT Christians Islam, Buddha and any other RELIGION...! This is scholarship at its finest

For debate I have Christine Govenor to
shatter negative stereotypes and misconceptions !

what was the religion of Africa before slavery ?

when the Europeans came to Africa Was slavery a religious issue?

Did Christianity support slavery, etc ......

What were the historical roots of African-American slavery?




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Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 2:40PM
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existed on the territory of present-day Romania from before the founding of the principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia in 13th–14th century, until it was abolished in stages during the 1840s and 1850s. Most of the slaves were of Roma (Gypsy) ethnicity. Particularly in Moldavia there were also slaves of Tatar ethnicity, probably prisoners captured from the wars with the Nogai and Crimean Tatars. The abolition of slavery was carried out following a campaign by young revolutionaries who embraced the liberal ideas of the Enlightenment. Notable among them was Mihail Kogălniceanu, who drafted the legislation related to the abolition of slavery in Moldavia.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 2:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
im trying to show this to my kids and give them the fact so they will know the truth as to what really went down !
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 2:49PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David, I would like to start with formation of the Earth. If you have access to an ancient map you will discover that when the Earth was first formed this whole Earth was called Asia, Asia split up into 7 parts (the 7 continents). The first continent that was formed from Asia was Africa. Also the first race of people to arrive in Saudi Arabia was Black. If we translate the word Saudi we would discover that it is an Arabic word meaning "Black."

Now the religion of Africa before slavery was Islam, the movie Roots can attest to that in the scene where Kunta Kinte tried to uphold his Muslim beliefs when the Europeans put him in in chains, also when he threw down the pork fat given to him by Fiddler. Islam came before Christianity this is documented in the book Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe in Chapter 20: "The white man is very clever. He came quietly and peaceably with his religion. We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers, and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart."

As far as slavery being a religious issue when the Europeans came to Africa, I would say that slavery was more for the purpose of mind control than a religious practice. The reason why the NOI extracts prnciples from both the Bible and Quran is because the Europeans stole the Bible from our ancestors and plagarized it and made it into a mind controlling instrument.

If you have access to a NLT (New Living Translation) version of the Bible, there are many references as to how our people were enslaved. Slavery is rampant throughout this Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have s*x with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock. "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel , your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.

The following passage describes the sickening practice of s*x slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a s*x slave? "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Notice how they say that a man can buy as many s*x slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and ges his freak on with them.

Moving on to beating slaves...the NLT bible says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing. "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NLT)

You would think that the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

As far as when Slavery actually started, Slavery had existed in Europe from Classical times (way before the 1400's) and did not disappear with the collapse of the Roman Empire. Slaves remained common in Europe throughout the early medieval period. However, slavery of the Classical type became increasingly uncommon in Northern Europe and, by the 11th and 12th centuries, had been effectively abolished in the North. Nevertheless, forms of unfree labour, such as villeinage and serfdom, persisted in the north well into the early modern period. In Southern and Eastern Europe, Classical-style slavery remained a normal part of the society and economy and trade across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic seaboard meant that African slaves began to appear in Italy, Spain, Southern France, and Portugal well before the discovery of the New World in 1492. From about the 8th century onwards, an Arab-run slave trade also flourished, with much of this activity taking place in East Africa, Arabia, and the Indian Ocean. In addition, many African societies themselves had forms of slavery, although these differed considerably, both from each other and from the European and Arabic forms. Although various forms of unfree labour were prevalent in Europe throughout its history, historians refer to 'Chattel Slavery', in which slaves are commodities to be bought and sold, rather than domestic servants or agricultural workers. Chattel Slavery is the characteristic form of slavery in the modern world, and this chronology is concerned primarily with this form.

P.S. All this information above is from 3 teachers of the NOI Mirror Model classes that I often engage in dialogue with so this information is not something I am making up...
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 6:07PM
Siebra Muhammad
Harry, you love to interpret everything...WHAT SAY YOU? (LOL)
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 6:37PM
Siebra Muhammad
The way I see it, Europe had a problems with witchcraft, they didn't plan on bringing it over to the new land but were unable to detect it as long as the witch claimed to be a Christian. They didn't plan on capturing any slaves from Africa that practice Voodoo either, so they had to forbid the practice unless they were using it to punish another slave. Happy Halloween
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 7:54PM
Helen Lofton
the first known religion of Africans before slaver.... was based on griots (Spirit Gods)
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 8:53PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
The Moors... were Native Africans who were ostrasized for their rejection of Christianity... (if my recollection is correct) Slavery has been in existence since the beginning.... then the 1600's starts slavery exchange by the Dutch... The Triangle Slave Trade is when Europeans Try to teach Black History of Slavery....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 9:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
During the fifteenth century, while black Africans were being channeled into a cultural vacuum, Europeans were experiencing the "humanists" movement. It was during this period when more and more books were being released from the European printing presses. In Germany alone, over 6 million books were hitting schools, stores, universities, libraries and households. At the same time, not only were books in Africa getting more scare, new ones were not being printed.

Isabella of Portugal, Queen of Spain was largely influenced by the humanists learned in Italy. They felt, as human beings that African people lived without law. Further, such barbarians need the wise, those who study Latin and cherish education, to rule over them. When Spain gained the right to importblack slaves off an Island of Portugal named Santiago, uit soon became the sixteenth century's largest African slave depot. This philosophy conferred a duty and obligation to enslave the black barbarians whho were by nature not capable of adhering to law. This philosophy prevailed as printed books spread throughout Europe marking the beginning of the Golden Age or the European Renaissance.

Europeans would feel obligated to invade Africa and export slaves. So the period from 1450 to 1550 marked the beginning of a vacuum characteristic of black Africans.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 9:09PM
jamal Abraham
Too much incorrect information floating around to addresss all of it at once. I'll just say this....
The underlying principle undergirding the indigenous African cosmology was 'foundational dualism' (ie. PAIRING) which found it's most fundamental expressions in 'micro-cosmic' and 'macro-cosmic' expression (to be expected...as a result of 'pairing'); within the micro-cosmic matrix it was expressed as 'Ancestralism' (ie. the dual s*xes of their progenitors, their creators, ie. their foreparents...hence 'Ancestors'), within the macro-cosmic matrix it was expressed as 'Natural Observance' (ie. the Earth and the Sky, the sun and the......you get it). This phenomenon found it's greatest voice throughout the Nile Valley Basin crystallizing in Ancient Egypt as well as other parts of the continent. As Dr John Henrick Clarke always said; "Not only did the European colonize history, he colonized information about history". The result....alot of misinformation gracing these hallowed pages.


PS. I highly suggest you watch this video featuring Professor Walter Williams. What is important about this video is that the gentleman interviewing Professor Williams is Minister Clemson Brown of Attorney Alton Maddox's United African Movement based in NYC. Minister Brown has the largest video and audio repository of the finest Black minds in existence (ie.Trans Atlantic Productions). He does not film 'lightweights' as his reputation would be at stake. I suggest you watch the eniire interview. I will be happt to answer any questions once you have done so. I've no doubt you will enjoy Professor Williams as few have researched as intensely as he. You've all been lied to about Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Judaism being the last one to come into existence as is kept secret from all......don't freak out David...smile). Watch the video and listen for yourself. Don't be fooled by his akward speech, his scholarship is impeccable as I own both of his texts and have mastered much of the information. Enjoy.

Walter Williams - Part 1!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi-bI6BXoo

Walter Williams Part 2!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSnpHzpLRzA...

Walter Williams -Part 3!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXXjKTcWyyw...

Walter Williams -Part 4!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQdDv7U5Rc...

Walter Williams - Part 5!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mO9erpJZ0...

Walter Williams - Part 6!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ON6JyW_2M...

Walter Williams - Part 7!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyzuzgNs0k...

Walter Williams - Part 8!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llEk0JdbXME...


Walter Williams - Part 9!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0DUiROYfgs...

Walter Williams - Part 10!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBeIojSS8Ps...
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 9:51PM
Christine Govenor
By the way...before being on youtube...this video was extremely hard to get. Consider yourselves lucky.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 9:53PM
Christine Govenor
I'll be happy to debate anyone with a point of contention....I reccomend you come prepared (smile).
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 9:55PM
Christine Govenor
@Christine....Socrates once wrote that for a utopian society......first and foremost, get rid of all the lawyers. The best minds "build" things that make life more quality for society. Thought without substance is what>>>>>>>thought with object is what>>>>>>why do we give God's word any credit>>>>>>>because of the creation as the object, i.e. God created something. By that deduction, man must build before his words have true meanings.


Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:30PM
jamal Abraham
rhut rho!!! Harpo who dis???

((Hey Christine... welcome.... a strong sista.... I lik-a))
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:31PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
it should get real interesting from here i just listion to the first 10 min on WALTER WILLIAMS and it was deep !
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
whatever.....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:35PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Again, speaking about tribes, gods, viewpoints of Egypt takes a back seat to what Egyptians had "BUILT". In all my life, I have never experienced a city as beautiful, personally, as Alexandria, Egypt.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:53PM
jamal Abraham
oooohhh... J.... that's where I wanna go.... to Egypt!!
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 10:58PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hey... Saint...
I don't know much about Egyptian Gods... I know Greek Gods and some Roman Gods... so I can't give to much input in those areas.... But i'll follow you guys along.....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:01PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Aleander was.... ouch!! Nobody does flame better than RuPaul and the late great Sylvester... Mighty Real!!
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Yes... I remember that not to mention full of wisdom....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:10PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Cynthia......Even more beautiful than San Diego, California.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:17PM
jamal Abraham
whats in California? It's hot and raining over dar.... I don't do that kind of weather....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:20PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I like cool crisp weather....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:21PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@Jamal Abraham

Though Alton Maddox was not the lycnch pin of my communique' to you all it appears that being there was nothing else in my dialogue for you to critique or zero in on you've chosen FORMER Attorney Maddox as a conversation piece. You obviously know absolutely nothing about the man soout of respect for he and his family (and all he's done for his race) we will dis continue referencing him at this point. Distratcions are the tools of the inept. Please let us stay on topic. With reference to staying on tipic I must say that your last post was rather random and in all honesty nonsensical and irrelevant. Forgive me as confrontation is my addiction (smile). I'm quite capable.

Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:25PM
Christine Govenor
ok... J.... your challenge....
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:28PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Let's stay on Topic..... Question one....

1400's or700 AD
what was the religion of Africa before slavery ?

Griots recited Verbal Religion..... they prayed to Spirit Gods
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:31PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I was speaking to the roots of African slavery and African American Slavery which all were all spurned by the humanist movement and the European Renaissance which can be researched in any library on the planet earth. As far as religion before slavery, the attorney was correct in saying that there were really no organized religion. There was worship but not organized as we know it today. There were no telephones or cell phones in those days so the printed word was extremely important. The Renaissance planted books throughout Europe that black Africans were no good, unlawful, barbarians, irrational and needed the control of the civilized White Europeans for their own good. It set the stage for slavery and made it seemingly ethical to the Europeans. That is what was going on in the 1400s.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 11:54PM
jamal Abraham
The Renaissance was started by many rich Italian cities, such
as Florence, Ferrara, Milan ,and Venice. Because these cities were
very wealthy, many merchants started to spend money on different
things, such as painting, learning, new banking techniques, and new
systems of government. These things gave rise to a new type of
scholar, the humanist. Humanism was subjects concerned with humankind
and culture. They stutied various things such as Latin, Greek
language, literature and philosophy. Music and mathmatics were also
studied as well.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:01AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Sis. Christine....so nice for you to get back. Every word of my text has substance that can be measured on the scales of research or natural science. It is a fact that there are many brothers and even sisters that wear fancy clothes and speak a fine tune...but, what separates them all is what they can "build". Sure, that may seem irrelevant, but there is nothing "false" about it. If the kingdom of God was based on how well black Americans can chant, sing, dance, bellow, echo, rap, shout, or astere....we would be in Heaven this VERY DAY. But, there mere reason that we are not.....means....something is missing from the words....and that is the capacity to "build". Rather than try to rejurgitate what the attorney Maddox, has spoken in his tapes.....please feel free to comment per your understanding on how it applies to why the late comer Eureopeans were able to kick the sh_t out of the Africans who were building civilizations before Europeans knew how to tie their own shoe. You can look up the "humanist" or European Renaissance and prove for yourself that the printed word was a powerful thing that effected all of Europe and consequently the entire continent of Africa.

When black Africans stopped building....white Europeans started.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:04AM
jamal Abraham
how true is this ?
Slavery was introduced to the "New World" but Dutch traders in the Carribean island of Hispanoila. Slavery was brought to the new world almost as soon as it was discovered. While several European countries actually outlawed slavery, they did support the slave trade as a means of raising tax revenue. England banned slavery prior to the revolution, but not in colonies. The Portuguese, Spanish, French and Dutch all transported slaves purchased from tribal Africans, but the Dutch were given the worst name. The Portuguese and Spanish transported the most. The French the least.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:04AM
DAVID JOHNSON
In reference to Did Christainity support slavery? It's evident that many slaves followed Christianity because of the many slave masters who introduced them to Christ's teachings. In the event of using the techniques of faith, I voice in opinion that Christianity did not support the acts of slavery, but in scriptures slaves were told to obey their slavemasters. This is because those who followed Christ are obedient to God's law of obedience. The word of God teaches all who obey even slave masters are doing what is correct. Although, later Christianity changed the view of slave masters, in that slavery and cruelty of a fellowman was wrong, and binding again with God's obedient followers the support of having slaves had to be abolished. Thusly God's commandments freed slaves of their masters in America and gave heed to God's commandment to love. You will find that over the centuries, still this is why many religions are not content with what they call "The White Man's Religion" contending that it's not the Word that is afflicted to slaves, but the way the Word of God was used to abusive of slavery. In contention, The Word also frees slavery because of the Spirit of God which is in the soul of man. Spiritually although earthbound slaves, we have the freedom of God's Son within which is the freedom from a temporal life, if we be slave or if we be free. Followers are Christ even may be slaves today in many ways have the freedom of faith and believe it is the Spirit that can never be enslaved, but have a new freedom found forever by the sacrifice of Christ. I know there may be some who will disagree with or even give addition to this comment. However, I find life is but a vapor here, so striving for eternal life I believe in Christ.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:07AM
MIISRAEL Bride
@MIISREAL
THE BOOKS /BIBLE changed for the slaves or for all man kind !
does the ''white mans religion'' still run the church today ?
what is the black church being taught ? JESUS WAS A BLACK MAN ?
THE PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WERE BLACK ETC ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:17AM
DAVID JOHNSON
yep... dats right...
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:22AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@David...The majority of Christians or True Believers of Christ as I like to call them ...do not content with color of skin or race, because you'll find that the Word teaches that Jews and Gentiles are all the capable to being the children of God. It has no significance except to men who want to identify with color barriers. The Bible has experienced many kinds of sufferings, in that it has be chewed, nawed, torn and split apart because of men wanting to suit their own intrepretations of Scriptures mostly to suit themselves. Taking scriptures out of content and making themselves think of what they desire. You will find that God's Word need no addition or subtraction, but it is as it is. God warns men for taking and adding, or subtraction of the Word that these may receive punishment! It's evident that if one heeds to the Word and follow obeying the Word in the heart of love. What has skin color has to do with God's Word. God's Word is Spirit and teaches all men to love . Love has no color. It is man that deals with color and race, this is a division of men --in order to keep corruption going so that the "soul" cannot view the beauty of God's gift of love. Diversity of color has no bearing on the soul. The Word teaches love one another....and even in turn to love your enemy.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:47AM
MIISRAEL Bride
Eating dinner..will return after an episode of the original Star Trek....hey were all damaged goods.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:49AM
Christine Govenor
What kind of people are we ought to be?

This scripture states:
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way...what kind of people ought you to be?
You ought to live holy and godly as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. 2 Peter 10-11

This supercedes any care of race or color signficiance, -- but re-interates that you [the person] ought to be a Holy person living godly presently.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 12:57AM
MIISRAEL Bride
saint and MIISREAL
if everyone in the bible was black then the white man turned the bible on the blacks for control ,,so that makes the black man toe og jew and that was taken from him along with everything else ?

@ jamal if the Africans did not build or teach then Timbuktu and the pyramids etc were built and taught by who ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:02AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Listen to this David: It is evidence in Scripture that Jesus was Jewish...He inherited the kingdom of heaven for God has given all power heaven and earth over to Christ...We inherit we one believes in Jesus and if this binds up those True believers, we too become Jewish to, because we become part of his body. This is spiritual! However, explaining the spiritual realm is not always easy for many to comprehend. The most important thing to know is it is soul and spirit that lives in the new life God gives us. This cannot be said enough! No man can take the inheritance of Jesus which he has given freely in love to those who are his! So if we a Jesus we belong to him and if you feel more at ease to know now being part of Jesus....we Gentile are made one with Jews! Extraordinary! This is the independence of freedom from the Cross of Christ!
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:12AM
MIISRAEL Bride
David.....what did the Humanists do ? Now that you expanded on their scope. They challenged the church. They were the wealthy..they went after the heads of governments in Europe. This was in the 1400s to 1500s. There were no pyramids being built then..they were already built. As the Europeans begin to make expeditions into Africa and destroy their strongest armies, they would burn their libraries so that could no longer build. They would bring back the spoils(black African slaves) and diamonds, gold and silver to the European kings and queens that sponsored the trip.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:17AM
jamal Abraham
Everything serves the purpose of God. We are to keep the statutes! Amen.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:17AM
MIISRAEL Bride
if we all fall short of GODS glory then why are the black people suffering why do i see the other races prosper and the black people suffer ,,the other races have done more sinning the the blacks and they got it good as a whole hell they took over the motherland and given us crumbs in america ,,,when will the suffering of my people stop ?
there are people sold out for Christ ,,,why do the righteous suffer while the wicked prosper?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:21AM
DAVID JOHNSON
JAMAL
is that why they tried to say that the Africans did not build the pyramids and they broke the noses off the statues so that the they can change the face of history ?
what about the hieroglyph ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:27AM
DAVID JOHNSON
And..we suffer because of Christ & His love for us because we believe. Be of good cheer..He has overcome the world!
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:27AM
MIISRAEL Bride
ok... you guys got my head spinning.... are we talking across the border or to the Americas?
Christ in fact was a Jew.... John the Baptist... was the fore runner who spoke of the Messiah.... Christ started Christianity.... Before that the Pharisee (Nicodemus) was a member of the Sanhedrin Council... who questioned Christ...
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:30AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
saint
the bible is a direct link to slavery ? the wilderness was about the Africans leaving there home land crossing the red sea and coming to America ?
Joana in the belly of the whale was simbloc of the capacitive slave !

Walter Williams was saying that there was no
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
why aren't the black preachers teaching this today ,,,,,why why why ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:38AM
DAVID JOHNSON
so where does Elohim come from?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:39AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
It's the first mention of GOD in the 1st book of Genesis... 16th Century King James Version.... Yahweh Elohim in the 2nd chapter of Genesis.... I just got into that chapter in my Philosophy Class...
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:46AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Saint, the seed of Abraham is the main thing. Might you have too many stipulations ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:50AM
jamal Abraham
thank you.... Saint.... so which is the first name Elo or Yahweh?
Have you ever attended a Yahwehan Service? My friend in Savannah, GA .... followed the Religion... and while I lived in Orlando, FL.... that was a prominent religion.... interesting..
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:54AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
why would I argue about the bible? Im outtie... Nite guys
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:04AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
There was no organized religion in much of Africa prior to Slavery other than Islam as Siebra pointed out. Similar to what Saint says with this animism or my research is animalism, but it is all the same thing. What scientists do is take the confusion out. There is much detail that would snow you to death. But really happened. In the 1400s to 1500s Europe was in the Golden Age or the rebirth of ancient Greece. They were vibrant and bustling while in Africa, it was the epitomy of hell.

Islam brought monotheism to Africa and black Africans could network to the brotherhoood of Islam and have protection. They could have trade privaledges, food and protection. Unlike slaves of Europeans, Black Africans were not tortured, beaten and animals but held servant jobs in palaces, cathedrels, events and travel escorts. It also was common for Arabs to marry black Africans. Islam covered about 2/3 of Africa. The southern 1/3 rebelled against Islam so Allah had the South African white government beat their butts.

Islam brought the belief in One God. It took away the emphasis on so many statues and masks so they would have time for colleges and universities. Islam brought civilization "back" to much of Africa. Envy and jealosy of one Islam king to another generated a weakness and soon the Europeans were able to defeat the Islamic strongest Army in Africa. It made it open season on black slaves. Ethiopia endorsed opposed Islam so it made it easy for Europeans to export slaves from Ethiopia. Ethiopia turned their cheek to the white mans agressions. Ethiopia loved their enemies. So Ethiopia is a disgrace today. Ethiopia took in the European religion so you here nothing good about Ethiopia today.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:07AM
jamal Abraham
Islam came after christianity... Judahism was the first organized religion
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:19AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Im saying this then I am out... Roman/Greek Mythology.... Spirit GODS... first religion....
if you wanna go back to cave men.... ok.... Animal worship .... cave men worship....

the dead sea scrolls.....
contains the original hebrew text.... come on guys... we can't make up as we go.....
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:24AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
http://www.africankingdoms.com/
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 3:00AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ok..I'm back...I really can't fathom much of the convoluted banter being vollied back and forth on this page, and being passed off as 'history'. Forgive me as I proceed but my style is abrasive, confronting and often quite 'insulting' as a matter of course, this is mostly due to the incessant desire on my part to impress upon my debating adversary just how beyond the pale their world view is historically speaking. Carter G Woodson said that "a Harvard education is worse for a Black Person than is bad whiskey", and that it took him over 25 years to overcome it: The dumbing down process of a college education is quite evident in the remedial efforts being put forth in this forum. My mother is a retired college professor born in South Carolina and she now resides in West Africa with 3 homes a farm and a wonderful doting Ashanti husband. i on the other hand contrary to what it says on my profile page, am a high school drop out (10th grade). I 'dropped out' as I keenly zoned in on the 'dumbing down process' at work in the 'fool system' they call a 'school system'. As my mind is my most prized possession it frightened me early on as i clearly saw it for what it was. It was nothing more than a programming center....and it was your minds that were the computers being 'mis-programmed' with the 'software' of our historical oppressor, a 'mis-programming' only perfected and intensified at the collegiate level.....hence all of the profound idiocy and nonsense on this page....much too much for me to address simultaneously. Though I 'dropped out' of high school....I never used that as an excuse to arrive at being academically depraved as so many of our brothers and sister are....particularly those with 'college educations'. They apparently are the most academically indoctrinated and appear to be only just barely equipped to parrot streams of implanted (albeit printed) flights of academic fancy. It is quite evident to me now why I was asked to participate in this forum as it appears I may be able to be of some minute assistance to anyone in this forum truly wishing to make some sense out of things. Dr. Yosef Ben Yochannon is my Mother's Godfather, I grew up steadily in his presence. My younger sister was Dr John Henrik Clarkes secretary whilst his second wife Sybil and my Mother were dear colleages; and Dr Leonard Jeffries of the City College of NY is my older sisters Godfather (gave her away at her wedding in Senegal West Africa). Consider this 'name dropping' as fair warning if you deciide to debate me. It was the least I could do. Also appreciate the fact that I take no prisoners in debate, and all is fair game...including your Mamma and yo Daddy, particularly if they were the ones responsible for misleading you and abdicating their responsibility to educate you to some crakkah or miseducated negro (of which infest the world) in their 'fool system' you all call a 'school-system'. Now we can begin.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 4:52AM
Christine Govenor

Slavery could not have began with 'Hamitic' Africans as no such group of people existed nor have they ever existed. In order for there to be a 'Hamitic' people there first has to have been a 'Ham' (ie. 'Hamite) from the fictitious Biblical character 'Ham' one of the fictitious Noah's three sons mentioned in the Table of Nations in the 'book' Genesis. That 'Ham' never existed presupposes that there can be no 'Hamites'. It is purely a Biblical term, therefore by it's very definition (and the nature of it's source) it is staunchly fictional. Why is it fictional? The source from which it is derived is 'biblical' in nature; that the fictional work presented to us as 'The Bible' is a plagiarized work, there is no inherent obligatory acceptance of it as 'historical literature' on the part of any well informed individual; it is a false work rendered to politicize. As far as slavery as an institution....the very term itself 'slave' derives from the Eastern European designation 'Slav' (ie. 'Slavic', that alone should tell you something in and of itself with respect to the origin of the practice). The fact that it was a very part of the fabric of both Greece and Rome and cannot be found as a cultural imperative (in any ubiquitous sense of the phenomena) in any of the truly remote cultures of Antiquity (which Greece and Rome cannot be counted amongst as they are relatively late comers to civilization itself, if in fact they ever arrived at it at all, after all the root term of civilization is after all....'civil' and I recall no mention in the historical record of CIVILIZED Africans featuring institutional slavery, chattel or otherwise prior to their being infected /contaminated by foreign axiologies ('value systems' for the not so well read). Please feel free to dispute anything I've posited thus far, not with opinion or belief as I do not suffer such things and I am not here to debate 'opinion's, beliefs, faiths, visions, dreams or your emotional investments....please, let us be instructed to refer to the historical record, much of which most who are present, I am quite positive have never encountered, as it is only privy to those who perform the necessary, requisite, comparative research. Some people like s*x...I like history....who wants to play?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 5:48AM
Christine Govenor
Oh and before any of you holy rollers in this forum comes at with biblical diatribe. You might wanna rethink that. Textual criticism is my forte. Pick any text you want..any bible.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:43AM
Christine Govenor
@ "Christine let's talk about Pharaoh Tamose his fourteen children and the Hyksos Dynasty and his reunification efforts of Egypt. Can we also discuss the Ancient Egyptian Gods too"

Tamose is a fictional Character incarnated by the European author Wilbur Smith, for his novel 'River God' which I've owned half my life as I've a master library in my home....grew up with one.in short...he 'Tamose' never existed.

"The novel contains a two-page afterword in which Smith claims the novel is based on a set of scrolls discovered in an Egyptian tomb which dates back to approximately 1780 BCE. The scrolls were said to have been discovered by an Egyptologist, Dr. Duraid al-Simma, who passed the translations onto Smith to transcribe into a novel.[1] This is a false claim, as Smith later reveals in the afterword of the sequel, The Seventh Scroll."
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:52AM
Christine Govenor
@ Saint Jake


"The City named after Alexander the Great (Greek-Edomite) where he hid and twisted the records of Egyptians and other nations that he took down. Also Jamal he was a flaming homos*xual."


Saint Jake



100% CORRECT.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 7:10AM
Christine Govenor
"Solomon ... in the eyes of Israelite historians, marked the apex of Israelite achievement. Curiously, no reference to him or his father David, or their empire in a non-Israelite source is known ... "

– Isserlin (The Israelites, p72)




"... in Jerusalem nothing has as yet been brought to light which can be ascribed to Solomon..." – Isserlin, p81.
REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101





In the 1950s, Yigael Yadin – Israeli Defence Chief of Staff turned 'archaeologist' – decided that the ruins of Megiddo, Hazor and Gezer were the legendary 'Fortress Cities' of Solomon. "Our great guide was the Bible" he said. Thus he confirmed the Bible with the Bible.
This was despite an ABSENCE of any find at the sites naming Solomon – but a CARTOUCHE NAMING PHARAOH AMEN HOTEP III INSTEAD.
In other words....the biblical authors lied

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101




But of course there is nothing 'curious' about a non-existent 'empire' (stretching 'from the Euphrates to Egypt') leaving no evidence of its non-existence. Modern Israel is peppered with 'Solomon's monuments' – but NOT ONE of them has any genuine claim to the appellation.

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101





"Solomon's Mines? American rabbi-archaeologist Nelson Glueck so-named the copper mining at Timna (30 km. north of Eilat) in the 1930s. They were, in fact, Egyptian mines, as hieroglyphs and the near-by temple of Hathor attest".

REAL ARCHAEOLOGY 101







David and Solomon are portrayed in the Bible as two of the greatest kings of the ancient world. However, no trace of their empire has ever been found in Palestine. It is a period curiously missing from the archaeological record of the region. Quoting from the book, Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, "The Bible is the only written source concerning the United Monarchy, and it is therefore the basis of any historical presentation of the period."(1) There is such a complete void of external sources that the archaeologist, author and leading authority on the era, Donald Redford, writes in frustration that "such topics as the foreign policy of David and Solomon, Solomon's trade in horses or his marriage to Pharaoh's daughter must remain themes for midrash and FICTIONAL TREATMENT."(2)

In CONTRAST, archaeology has confirmed the reigns of all other great kings of the ancient world mentioned in the Bible, and some of the later, lesser kings of of Judah and Israel (namely, Omri, Ahab, Jehu, Pekah, Hosea, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannasseh, and Uzziah).(3) Conservative Biblical scholars believe that it is only a matter of time before concrete evidence of the reigns of David and Solomon is found as well. As will be discussed, concrete evidence for David and Solomon already exists, and comes from the very place one would least expect to find it.




At some point we as black people have to relinquish the fairy tales told to us (and still reinforced through 'teaching' to this very day) by our not so former slave masters.

Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 7:28AM
Christine Govenor
@Jake

Awesome...great, when i return home I'll dismantle your links with a fine tooth comb. Good luck.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 9:33AM
Christine Govenor
Hey Jake...I just took a quick perusal at what you posted....Bro. I'll give you a C -minus for effort....I'll tell why when I get back home.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 9:38AM
Christine Govenor
In the mean time...enjoy every one





Ashra Kwesi Speaks on The Temple of Amen
and the Black Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7B3zS4C4c



Ashra Kwesi Explains the Origin of the Immaculate Conception story - Abdu Kemet (Abydos, Egypt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7PadRh_rs



Ashra Kwesi Explains the Invasions and Battles of Kemet (Egypt) from the Ancient Temples
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWwhmLa1NsU




Ashra Kwesi Explains the African Origin of Noah's Ark and Other Biblical Stories - Kemet (Egypt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpFgRmZK1g

Ashra Kwesi Reveals "God's Chosen Children" at the Temple of Ramessu - Kemet (Egypt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAwXApNGQE0

Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 9:40AM
Christine Govenor
Also...this is my Brothers record label...I think you'll all enjoy the videos...their quite educational and alot of people are talking about him....enjoy and feel free to share them.




'EGYPT WAS A BLACK LAND' : THE SONG - AHMOSE (SHAKKA) : MAAT HOTEP RECORDS / GLOBE TRAKKERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwqN_AEKT4



'MAY OUR LOVE SHINE' (THE BALLAD OF ASET & ASARU): AHMOSE - MAAT HOTEP / GLOBE TRAKKERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZLZclb5cg




 'LOOKING OVER' - SHAKKA (AHMOSE): VIDEO REMIX!!! MAAT-HOTEP RECORDS & NU RADIO INC. (D.J. NU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPpQUlN3pw




'GOD RA' - NILE VALLEY MOVEMENT FEAT. SHAKKA AHMOSE (MAAT HOTEP / MK12 - Prod.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAweer6DSE
 

'HOTEP' - SHAKKA AHMOSE (MAAT HOTEP RECORDS & KLEAN BEATZ) BRAND NEW!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJuIZLk_gp4

HOTEP FAMILY...
ENJOY!!!! SPREAD IT!!!




KEMETIC LEGACY TODAY: SPECIAL GUEST SHAKKA AHMOSE - 'EGYPT WAS A BLACK LAND; THE SONG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqKZ8cCQWYg



Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 9:43AM
Christine Govenor
saint christine
wow this is a lot of info ok let me get on this !
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 10:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The passage about Solomon's marriage to "strange women" is followed by a warning from the Lord that "surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love" (I Kings 11:2). Shortly afterwards we are told that "it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God. . . For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcor the abomination of the Ammonites" (11:4-5).
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ms. Christine...... you said "Knowledge is a blessing...but it is also a burdes....not a curse , as the idiotic Biblical compilers would have you believe with the silly anecdote of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. The dumbest story ever told and the most nonsensical story ever swallowed. In fact the inspiration for that story came right off of the walls of the temples in Ancient Egypt. In fact it's still there....The Goddess Seshat offering the god Rameses II the fruit from the tree of life. The Greeks and Southern Syrians saw it on the walls of Ancient Egypt and copied it down but because they didnt understand the origin of the Bas Relief they just made up stories concernig all of the things they saw on the walls....HISTORICAL FACT. That's where your Bible Actually came from. It was STOLEN FROM THE LITERATURE OF ANCIENT EGYPT (the stone and the papyrus literature). Why so you think the the Pyramid Text are the oldest religious literature on this planet? Man you people are screwed in the head it's scary. " This is not only true I saw for my own two eyes evidence of hieroglyphics on walls of tombs and rooms inside pyramids when visiting Egypt. But my point is WHAT HAPPENED ?

Egypt in the 20th century had to purchase much of its intelligence from the British and Soviet Union. By the mid-1960s, British aircraft had been replaced completely by Soviet hardware. The Soviet Union became the principal supplier of the EAF(Egypt Air Force), and many other Arab states. This allowed the EAF to greatly modernisz and boost its combat effectiveness. The MiG-21 Fishbed arrived in the early 1960s, bringing with it a Mach 2 capability. The MiG-21 would remain Egypt's primary fighter for the next two decades.

The Helwan HA-300 (Arabic: حلوان ٣٠٠‎) was a fighter aircraft developed in Egypt during the 1960s. It was designed by the "German aircraft engineer", Willy Messerschmitt and Hispano Aviación. Originally the plane was intended to be a small interceptor for the Spanish Air Force, but the project was transferred to Egypt. There were three prototypes built before termination of the project in 1969.

The design was then acquired by Egypt and the design team, headed by Messerschmitt, moved to Helwan, Egypt, to continue their work on the HA-300, which now stood for Helwan Aircraft 300.[1] Ferdinand Brandner, an Austrian jet engine expert, was also invited to develop a turbojet for the new fighter. Egypt aimed to produce a lightweight supersonic, single-seat fighter which could join the Egyptian Air Force as an interceptor.

The brilliant minds of Egypt has vanished from the great past that you mentioned BECAUSE after the libraries were destroyed, efforts to pursue math and science initiatives was traded for tourism and liberal arts contributing to a large national debt. In the Suez crisis, tiny Israel attached and kicked Egypt's behind only because of superior science technology of Israel. they had to retreat out of Egypt, but Egypt realized that they would have to beef up their standing army to resist the threat of Israel, thus, purchased more Soviet armaments.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:16PM
jamal Abraham
IM TRYING TO GET THE KNOWLEDGE AND ITS A LOT BUT ITS MAKING THINGS MORE CLEAR
a lot of lies have been told to my people and has blinded us from the truth !
christine
is real and will hold back no punches that is why i ask her to come and kick the knowledge th all this ! so lets try to gain insight to the knowledge and grow ! in with all this !
lets kick it !
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:21PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THIS IS WHERE IM AT !
Can we find the above accomplishments attributed to King Solomon also attributed in Egyptian records to the life and times Amenhotep III and if so does this help support and confirm that the Biblical King Solomon is actually Amenhotep III? The answer is "yes" to both questions.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Let us make some very important comparisons between these two men. We saw before when looking at the Biblical King David, or Tuthmose III as we know him now, that Tuthmose III was responsible for founding the the great Egyptian empire in the 15th century B.C.E. that extended from the "river of Egypt (Nile) to the Euphrates". In accomplishing this he had to have had a strong, well-trained, well-organized army equipped with the best chariots of his age, otherwise he would not have been able to establish his extended empire. However, the American Egyptologist Alan Richard Schulman has shown that the chariotry formed only a part of the army at this time. It was not until the early part of the reign of Amenhotep III that the chariotry became identified as a separate entity from the infantry, with Yuya (Joseph), as we saw earlier, the first minister we know to bear the title "Deputy of His Majesty in the Chariotry".Thus it was Amenhotep III (Solomon) who organized the chariotry as a separate unit of warfare.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Bible teaches us that the administrative system up to the time of King Solomon was of a tribal nature. King Solomon did away with tribal divisions and united Israel, together with other parts of the empire, in one political entity: "And Solomon had twelve officers over all Israel, which provided victuals for the king and his household: each man his month in a year made provision" (I Kings 4:7).
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Are you aware that this above Biblical description of the administrative system employed by a supposed King Solomon does not belong to the Palestinian Israel but to the Egyptian empire?

From as early as 3000 BC, the Egyptian administration controlled the activities of the Two Lands of Egypt. It organized the royal court as well as the economy in the name of the king, the official owner of all the land. Palace officials were responsible for each administrative region, where there was another high official with a local bureaucracy under his control. During the empire period, and particularly during the time of Tuthmose III (David), the administrative system was reorganized to suit the needs of the age, and later further developed by Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon). It was then that, for the purposes of taxation, the empire was arranged in 12 administrative sections, an arrangement that the biblical narrator drew on for his account of the king the world now knows as King Solomon.

Almost all scholars agree that the taxation system that the Bible says was introduced by Solomon matches precisely the system that was used in Egypt after Tuthmose III had established the new Egyptian empire. Each of the 12 areas was the responsibility of a high official and was expected to contribute sufficient tax to cover the country's needs for one month of the year.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
As you might imagine coping with the administrative burdens of a vast empire needed a highly developed administration. The sudden appearance of such a supposed administration in Israelite tribal society during the "United Monarchy of David and Solomon" in the 10th century BC, without any roots in the nation's previous history and followed by its sudden disappearance after Solomon's death, has been a source of puzzlement to scholars. The apparent contradiction is resolved, however, once identification of the historical David (Tuthmose III) and Solomon (Amenhotep III) makes it clear that the sophisticated administration described in the Old Testament is the administration established by these two monarchs in the 15th and 14th centuries BC to deal with the day-to-day task of ruling Egypt and its empire (Ahmed Osman, Out of Egypt, p. 71).

We find among the list of officials the priests, the scribes, the commander-in-chief of the army, the official in charge of the palace and another in charge of the tribute. All of these new offices are similar to appointments made by Amenhotep III. Even the forced labor pressed into service in Egypt for the king's building projects is said to have been imposed for the first time by Solomon (Amenhotep III) on native Israelites as well as foreigners: "And king Solomon raised a levy out of all Israel; and the levy was thirty thousand men" (I Kings 5:13). The number of senior officials argues for a large number of minor ones. I Kings 9:23 gives a figure of 550 simply to supervise labor (Ibid.).

According to the Bible, the empire inherited by Solomon became to some extent weakened during the course of his reign. He faced troubles in Edom (in southern Palestine). His influence in Syria was also weakened when Rezon is said to have seized Damascus and made himself king there.

Answer for yourself: Can we expect and do we find the same weakening of the empire of Egypt under the reign of Amenhotep III? We sure do.

These rebellions echoed in the Bible find their echo in the Amarna letters, the foreign archives of the 18th Dynasty, relating to the reign of Amenhotep III. Frederick J. Giles, the Canadian Egyptologist who made a study of them, came to the conclusion that "most of the letters that deal with the alleged collapse of the Egyptian empire during the Amarna period" come from the period of his rule. Thus the biblical account of changes in King David's (Tuthmose III's) empire during the time of Solomon can be seen to agree with historical records relating to events during the reign of Amenhotep III (Ibid.). What we are describing is the simultaneous decline of both the empire of King Solomon and Amenhotep III. Letters sent by Canaanite kings, especially Abdi-khiba of Jerusalem, speak of continuous trouble in the area of Edom and southern Palestine: "All the king's land is rebellious." These problems in southern Palestine were not so serious that they led to any weakening of the king's control in the area, but the situation in northern Syria was far more critical. Even before Amenhotep III came to the throne, the northern Mesopotamian kingdom of Mitanni, to the east of the Euphrates, defeated by Tuthmose III, had begun to reassert its influence over city states in northern Syria. Amenhotep III responded to this threat by a peace treaty with the King of Mitanni and marriage to two Mitannian princesses. He also sent the King of Mitanni thirty units of gold each year in return for his protecting the north Syrian section of the empire. However, Amenhotep III's problems in the region were not yet over. Towards the end of his reign, the king's authority over the northern part of the empire, including Damascus, was endangered by the powerful Hittite king, Suppiluliuma. He also posed a threat to Mitanni, Egypt's ally in the area. Akizzi, ruler of the northern Syrian city of Qatna, a few miles north of Qadesh, spoke of these dangers in letters to Amenhotep III: "To King Annumuria (Amenhotep III), Son of the Sun, my Lord, thus [says] this thy servant Akizzi . . . I am afraid . . . men who are destroyers serve the king of the land of the Hittites: he sends them forth..." (Ibid., p. 73).

In a following letter, Akizzi informed the king that the land of Ubi, west of Damascus, was under threat: "Just as Damascus. . . is terror-stricken at the league of the enemy, and is lifting up its hands in supplication at the feet of the king, so likewise does the city of Qatna lift up its hands" (Ibid.).

In 1887 an Egyptian peasant woman discovered a collection of cuneiform tablets at Tell El-Amarna in Middle Egypt. They were located in a room of a palace buried in sand. They contained the archives of the Asiatic campaigns of the Pharaoh Akhnaton in the mid-fourteenth century BC. Amarna had been newly built as Akhnaton's capital. The tablets were letters of correspondence to Amenhotep III, the father of Akhnaton (Amenhotep IV), and to Akhenaten himself. A very few were to Tutankhamen, his successor and son-in-law. They were written by Canaanite scribes who were located in Palestine, Phoenicia, and southern Syria. They were mostly in the Akkadian language, "full of canaanitisms in grammar and vocabulary." Occasionally a letter was written in Canaanite with scattered Akkadian formulas and ideograms. They described mostly a state of anarchy then in Palestine. The Amarna letters reveal a state of unrest at the end of the Eighteenth Dynasty, with a constant threat of invasion from the Hittites to the north. The Amarna letters testify to considerable rivalries and hostilities among the city-states. Canaan was politically organized in a system of petty kingdoms - usually referred to as city states. None of the city-states enjoyed self-rule, but owed their allegiance to Egypt. The Amarna letters indicate around 15-17 major city-states. These varied in size, but were all fairly small. King Ribaddi of Byblos wrote frequently; 70 of the surviving letters were written by him. Egyptian power in Palestine collapsed during the reign of Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), and letters from Ribaddi no longer arrived at the court.The Amarna letters, alluding to unrest in the reign of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Amenhotep III also throw some light on the biblical account which states: "King Solomon gave to Hiram (the king of Tyre) twenty cities in the land of Galilee" (I Kings 9:11). Notice with me that Egypt is no longer the governing power over these cities which formally were under Egyptian rule. The name of Tyre's king in these letters is not Hiram, but Abimilichi. From his letters we know that:
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 2:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
MOZELL
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE INFO CHRISTINE IS BRING FORTH IS COMING FROM DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION” BY BROTHER CHANCELLOR WILLIAMS ?
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 3:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
mozell
i am with you on that its a good book depending on who wrote it ,,the reason for this blog is dispel the meths and bring the truth out ! i keep hearing things about Christianity and slavery !
i ask christine to come because i know she can debate the issue and help make things clear !
this is what im trying to bring to BIA ,,,,,,A CHANGE OF THOUGHT ,,''MIND SET ''
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 4:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THERE ARE SOME EVIL going on in the word today but greater is he that is in me then he that is in the world ! tho they slay me i will sing praises to the lord ! my assignment is from the lord,,,,,,,, knowledge ! my people perish from the lack of knowledge ! one day some body is going to read this blog and awake from the dead !
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 4:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
it appears this blog is done..... way way off subject/topic.... Holla
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:37PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
NO WAY THERE ARE A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS AND TOPICS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TALK ABOUT ! THIS IS FAR FROM DONE !
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:44PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THIS BLOG IS LIKE A MAN STANDING AT A GAS STATION WITH A TORCH HOLD THE GAS PUMP !
ITS ABOUT TO BLOW UP !
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
D...... lol...... HOLLA!!
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:46PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
The quetion was asked about slavery before Europeans. There was no slavery before Europeans. All countries that participated in war of any kind, had captives. Others were criminals, debtors, and dowry settlements.These conquored people were (slaves) if you will, for the conquorer. Those captives could earn their freedom in many different ways. None were Slaves for life.

The first people who were called slave were the Salavic people who were captives of the European of various regions. That is where the word came from. Before that, they were not called slaves. So, the Hebrews who were supposed to be set free were not referred to as slaves before the Europeans started retelling the stories.

Selling people did not wear the costumes of the slave blocks either. Fathers sold their daughters so to speak, made trades for favors, land, titles etc.

African never sold their people as commercial item until the arrival of the Arabs and then the European and greed set in. The Arabs were the first and the last to take Africans out of Africa before the Europeans.

Many progressive societies had slaves. It was not based on race (only in America) until the 15th century.. Most of the so called slaves to America came out of central Africa. War provided the most.

The distruction of the African culture came from the plantation. 90% of the Africans were taken to the caribbean. Africans did not totally break from their culture...drums, griot tradition, food, language and social structure stayed in tact, even into the 20th century. Another myth is that the captives took their names from the masters. not true; they used their own traditions to name their children.

Most African labor was skilled labor. Some 1 million to 1.20 million Europen christians were forced to work in North Africa.

Before the European and Arab invasion, there was no organized religion as we know it, in Africa. They believed in a Creator and your ancestors who had gone on before you, had a connection with that creator that connected you. They honored their ancestors before and still did after their death. They believed that the Ancestors never left you, that their energy (for want of a better term) remains with you and you could call upon it when ever needed. The ancestors and the Great one, were always available to you. They also believe that all living things had the spirit of the creator within; therefore, they were to be protected.
Saturday, October 30th 2010 at 7:37PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
To answer the question about chrisianity and slavery, if you research where chrisianity started and how it started and when the British got involved, you have to understand what we are talking about in terms of slaves. When James had the bible commissioned, it was done for several reasons. So, the statements mentioned about slaves in the bible had nothing to do with color. They were a conquored people too and they were not called slaves. Organized religion placed the interreputtion of the bible on to modern civilization and twisted it o support their agends. They changed the face of jesus and mary because they could not enslave the people who looked like their "God". No Christianity does not support slavery IF it is truly based on the techings of J.C. Those people who wrote the bible did not know there was an America, in fact, there wasn't one themn.
Saturday, October 30th 2010 at 7:47PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
The interview of Walter Williams was quite informative. He said what my mother said a thousand years ago, the story of christanity is a myth. Much of the information I had heard before. It is great to know that there is another who has said some of the same things you have said.
Saturday, October 30th 2010 at 7:52PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Sister Christine has answered all of the impending questions thoroughly. I agree with what she has said that I have read. That was too much to read in one sitting on the computer. In academia, the bible is not a creditable sourse. No one has or can prove who wrote it. Some men have come to accept the bible as truth but the only part that can be proven is the part based on historical facts. That rhetoric about Moses that some people spouts is myth too. When I was in Egypt, nobody validated the exodus. I decided a long time ago that I can be inspired with some truth too. The ability to pick and choose amazes me especially from a book that has no information of everyone..
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 1:48PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
MS JOHNSON
if this is true then the Koren is full of myth too because most of its writing's come out the bible to ? im asking because you seem to have a lot of knowledge in this area !
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 2:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hello,

I have told you Negroes repeatedly that your all are ignorant, even those Negroes with masters’ degree. Let me explain. Ms. Johnson said this, “That rhetoric about Moses that some people spouts is myth too. When I was in Egypt, nobody validated the exodus.”
Now, Ms Johnson has to be dumb to expect the Egyptian to validate the Exodus when at that time in history the Egyptian was the rulers of the world. Do you expect the murder to say he did the crime? Stop being stupid, Negroes! Why does she not take her dumb ass to Israel and ask them if they were in bondage and slavery in Egypt. In fact, the Egyptians do not deny that Joseph was second to Pharaoh during the famine and we know the Israelites came to sojourn in Egypt because of Joseph. Furthermore, the ritual Passover was started my Moses in Egypt and to this day the Jewish celebrate it the same as when Moses instituted it 4,000 years ago. This dumb woman needs to ask the Jewish people did Moses ever exist, because if Moses did not exist then truly the Exodus is a myth.

Nevertheless, Black Americans know that our existence in White America mirrors what the children of Israel said happened to them in Egypt. So, even if the story is a myth Black America’s experience of bondage and slavery in White America is not a myth.
Have I made any sense?

Tell me what you think


Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 4:21PM
Harry Watley
HEE HAW... HEE HAW... HEE HAW...Enough of you Harry we heard you on your last blog.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 4:40PM
Siebra Muhammad
harry
im sure MS JOHNSON should not be called all them names to get your point across
who is the real dummy here ,,,?
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 4:49PM
DAVID JOHNSON
We don't know whether any of it happened. We have to accept what somebody else said as fact. Why don't you listen to Walter William and then prove to me that you know what you are talking about.

I was responding to the term slave as we know of it today. Look in the mirror for DUMB, sir. Any way I was not talking to you because you are a broken record and don't know what you are talking about 99.99% of the time. That is if your message was meant for me. Otherwise, keep your garbage to yourself.

Any way, David and the rest...I stand by my statement.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 4:50PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
As long as you think of the people and stories in the bible, Koran or any of those documents as fact and real people, you will be confused. The Hebrew taught through stories. When Christianity became a viable product for brainwashing, then the inspired theory came to the surface. If you are willing to suspend disbelief and listen to Christine, your whole world will change and the real will become real. I always wanted for the "Religious" to come to the realization that something wasn't right for themselves. That is when real learning takes place, especially about religion.

Thanks David for protecting me. I would be dumb if I listened to him.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 5:22PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
How do any of you know whether what is stated in the bible is true? Just because the so called writers told you that they were inspired? In academia, the bible is not a creditable sourse. Who is the author? How many times has it been translated? and Who reads Hebrew and Arabic?

Now don't go off the deep end. I know somebody can read those languages but are they writing a bible or correcting the mistakes, like the Red sea vs the Reed sea?
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 5:33PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Sista Thomasena I would agree.... how can we question the validity of the bible.... Even with the fact of so much information being lost..... But really I believe there is some source of fact base behind it....

The four gospels.... Mark... Luke.... John.... Matthew
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 5:43PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Most of the information you are using comes from people who did not live during that time so where do you draw the line. Mohammed did not live during Jesus time so where did he get his information from? I guest he had a lightbulb moment too. You don't even know whether there was a Mohammad. all of this is based on a belief system. Just like the 'sneek attack on Pearl Harbor'. we believed that for years.

Who must benefit by all of this mis information? How about the fact that Black people made no contribution to civilization? Look how many believe that. How many Black People believe that? The Egyptians did not lie about who was black and who was not? The Arabs are black too. You tell me Arafat is not black? If there are some black peoole, he was one.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 5:46PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
None of them knew Jesus during his life time. Mark who wrote first, did so 40 years after his death. John wrote 90 years after his death. go figure.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 5:49PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Hello Ms. Johnson,

Let us have a rational dialogue, okay. Are you saying that the information in the Bible is not a creditable? For instance, are you saying that Moses did not exist?

What say you?

Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 7:09PM
Harry Watley
Jake,
I question all of them and have always doneso. If They did not exist then someone made them up or the were all black.
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 9:22PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Forgive me for any mispellings as I was in a rush (smile). Just kidd'n with ya Jake. Don't take it to heart...were all just having fun. Everyone except you right about now I suppose. Shouldn't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash (smile).
Sunday, October 31st 2010 at 11:19PM
Christine Govenor
Christine
You said that Black people should do their own research. Maybe times have changed things, but I remember a time when I was obsessed with reading books. I found a reference for the ancient proverbs. I asked the white clerk for the book and was told that the only proverbs were in the bible. She then told me that I could purchase any book that was in the store, but that she wasn't going to make any orders for the book I requested.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 12:49AM
Helen Lofton
@Helen

And her reason for wanting to offend her 'Jesus' would have been what? The Black Woman wanting to satisfy her thirst for knowledge? At the top of her priorities seriously doubt that particular item was present. She was incapable of helping herself thereofore she was equally impotent when it came to helping you. Understandable and to be expected.The realm of ignorance is flooded with gate keepers, keeping those with knowledge out and those without confined within it's parameters. You know what I say....blow the eff'n gate up.

Monday, November 1st 2010 at 8:15AM
Christine Govenor
you guys had me reading.... until .... you get to that spooky stuff.... which I DO NOT Do!! peaceeeeeeee
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:26AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@ christine
can you give us some in site on your knowledge of islam fake/ real kick the knowledge ! thanks ..
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 3:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@david johnson


Islam is nothing more than a reformist, monophysite, monast ideological revision of what is being passed off today as Christianity. Fact. Anyone not well versed in the 921 year ecclesiastical polemic dispute can't even begin to participate effectively in this discussion. Best they can do is parrot religious tradition....not historical facts as reflected by the historical record. What most people fail to realize is that the actual historical record has been HIDDEN from them. In it's place they have been given 'religious tradition' which they unfortunately (through no fault of their own) have come to identify (wrongly so) with 'truth' and 'history'.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 4:54PM
Christine Govenor
Lil Jake:


"Christine: You best back-off little girl or little man. Your integrity is shot, so go back to Facebook where you belong!!!!"

I'm unfamiliar with this part of the historical record Jake. Were these the best 'facts' you could come up with? I think in fact they are. You attack ghosts and phantoms because that's what your world is comprised of...first you 'attack' Budge's 'beliefs' which were never made apart of this dialogue by myself or anyone other than yourself, therefore you challenge an arguent that never existed (signs of a mind run amok with despair); now you 'attempt' to make my gender an issue as that seems to be more in your sphere of influence with respect to your mangement capabilities....or lack thereof....you choose. It appears you have no effective comebacks for the FACTS I've buried your Hebrew fantasies in. Hmmm wonder why. You therefore seek to create issues as a distraction to the fact that this FEMALE is your intellectual superior. Must be hard juice to swallow coming from a pro- male patriarchical homos*xual murder cult like yours (smile). Anything else lil Jakie boy? How about responding to your late ass A.D. date for the birth of your
Jewish Bible? Anything else but that huh? You'd rather talk about gohsts, gender swapping and facebook. I understand....facts are much too deep water for your intellectually shallow arse to swim in. No worries...I won't pick on you anymore. I can be a bully sometimes. But you 'see through Hebrews' deserve it. Beating people over the head with your manufactured identities and A.D. literature..and trying to pass yourselves off as something 'Holy' and 'Chosen'. I've seen holier fecal matter come from a black babies butt..trust me (smile), at least that was some authentic sh*t (get it? 'Sh-t!!! Lol!!!). Anyway. No hard feelings. Get back to me with some F.a.c.t.s.....unless youre allergic to them which you undoubtedly appear to be.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 5:25PM
Christine Govenor
@ Everyone


Next Jake will be telling us some ficticious 'Hebrews' built the pyramids of Anceint Egypt.
Yeah...ok.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 5:27PM
Christine Govenor
"Here's the whiteman of Egyptololgy:"

Saint Jake




Here's a BLACK MAN of Egyptology, Cheik Anta Diop:

"The typically negroid features of the Pharaohs (Narmer, First Dynasty, the actual founder of the Pharaonic line; Zoser, Third dynasty,; Cheops, the builder of the Great pyramid, a Cameroon type; Menthuhotep, founder of the Eleventh Dynasty, VERY BLACK; Sesostris I; Queen Ahmosis Nefertari; and Amenophis I) show that all classes of the Egyptian society BELONGED TO THE SAME BLACK RACE."

GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (U.N.E.S.C.O.)
(Ancient Civilizations of Africa II)
(Abridged ed. copyright 1981 publ.1990; Chapt.1 pg.17 para.8)
United Nations Educational Scientific & Cultural Organization
International Scientific Committee
for the Drafting of a General history of Africa

************************************************

"A review of studies covering the biological relationship of the ancient Egyptians was undertaken. An overview of the data from the studies suggests that the MAJOR biological affinities of early southern Egyptians lay with TROPICAL AFRICANS."


Shomarka Keita M.D., DPhil.
Physician and anthropologist.National Human Genome Center and the Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution.



Keita is a Black Man and at the top of his field....unlike yourself (smile).
I don't need 'white Egyptoloists'. I just so happen to have them....and they echoe nothing different then the Black ones ie. Theophile Obenga, Cheik Anta Diop, Dr Mario Beatty and others.
How many times do you insist upon losing on this page? Just curious.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 6:38PM
Christine Govenor
dang..... Im Cynthia Merrill Artis..... I work @ MTL....
Im' 5'0..... 140 lbs.... brown hair.... brown eyes..... birthmark left inner knee... shaped like ???
Pre-Med/Department of Biology..... Florida A & M University....

whew!!

you guys fight hard and dirty.....
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 7:10PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@Saint Jake


Gee-wiz jakie boy ...your litle 'halfbreed' arse is so mixed...you appear to be commensurately 'mixed up'. Bet you consider yourself a real semite (lol).



1. "Christine: I'm not interested in your Egyptology stuff. So move on to someone else, I don't discuss topics with people that lie about certain facts".


What you mean is your not interested in any FACTS that blow your see through Hebrew fantasy out of the water. Before you had a problem with the fact that I was quoting 'white' Egyptologists, now the black ones aren't good enough. Ancient Egypt poses such a threat to your manufactured identity that now you wnat to make it disappear all together from the historical record. Hey arsehole....that's what the Bible was all about in the first place. Guess you 'see through Hebrews' never change your 'leprous sores'. You've yet to refute 1 ie. ONE (not two, 2, or three, 3.....were talking O.N.E. here) FACT I've posited in this forum. Youre a mental midget Jake, get over it and accept it as we all have. Notice how quiet it's gotten on this page....you know why? Every one is enjoying the 'arsewhupping' you've been subjected to on this page. You should see the emails I'm getting (smile). They learn more in one of my posts than they learn in a myriad of your dribblish links....that go on ad infinitum in the wroooong direction. You see Jake Christianity was stolen from Ancient Egypt ....it is not a derivitive of Judaism as so many would have us 'believe', that was a made up story to insert themselves into the past through literature; this is why see through 'Hebrews ' like yourslef have a problem with the history of Ancient Egypt, because it invalidates your entire manufactured identity, because of a liitle thing called 'chronology' (from he Greek god 'Chronos'). Give me a documented date for the birthdate of the Torah you possess. Put that date in my hands and let's see what I can come up with, from the historical record Jake....let me play with your little 'Torah' toy too....I wanna play. Just give me the date from which your Torah' dates from. Pleeeeeaaase?


2."So are you Christine Blanchette @pilotbulletins.net; phone: (617) 779-3771"


Golly gee willakers Jakie boy....are you so stumped and out of ammo that your little mind can only wrap itself around who you think I may be? I'll tell you a little secret....you couldn't fathom the answer to that question if I tattooed it on Yaweh's non existent ass (smile). Sorry Jakie boy...new day, new age...the 'Hebrew party' is over. Lies are off the menu....strictly FACTS from here on out. The one thing you 'religious victims' hate more than anything else....FACTS.
Why ? Because they shut you and your false hybrid doctrine all the f*cking way ......DOWN.
Now lil Jakie....give me the date I asked for.



Monday, November 1st 2010 at 7:38PM
Christine Govenor


"Christine: Ithink I will pass .... hmmm find another man. I don't need to talk to you. My women is a Columbia graduate and she is fine...
However your humor is funny. ha. ha..... "


Saint Jake




You mean Columbia University....where I lectured at yesterday at the the new Norman E. Alexander Library for Jewish Studies? Oh ok...you mean that one. Perhaps that explains why I'm sitting in the second floor Market Café in Columbia at this very moment typing this. Sorry I'm not impressed. What an idiot. You have to ride on your girlfriends academic coat tails.....from your posts above you obviously have none of your own to ride.....typical 'see through Hebrew' behaviour, always trying to graph themselves onto something of someone else's achievement.
They did it with Ancient Egypt, Christianity and Islam....and now you do it with your girl friend. Like I said ....you see through Hebrews are very consistent. Your game plan never changes.
Probably because youre not creative in the slightest. You can only graphed yourselves onto other peoples acomplishments hence..."My women is a Columbia graduate". And if that' her in the photo...she's not black therefore she doesn't qualify as 'beautiful' nonetheless 'fine'. You on the other hand must be really a good cook because she's obviously not with you out of academic deference; that is, unless she got her degree in 'Gym' which I highly doubt she did. Oh well you guess you don't wanna play with big bad Christine anymore....I don't blame you. If you knew what I knew about her.....you would take that 'see through Hebrew' fantasy of yours and get a blood transfusion...cause there never was a 'Hebrew'.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 8:27PM
Christine Govenor
Girl.... Make it do what it do.....

ok... you talking my tune right here ((Isis and Horus)) Greek/Roman Gods.... tell me more....
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 8:34PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@Cynthia

1."Girl.... Make it do what it do....."


That my beautiful intelligent Black S'star is what I do. I allow what I wake up with inmy hands to determine what I will do for the rest of the day. If I wake up with a feather in my hand...i will go throughout the rest of my day 'tickling' people. If I wake up with a pen in my hand then i will spend the restof my day writing; but if I wake up with a literary battle axe in both hands (as a shield is not even necessary) you better believe 'Ignorance' will be splattered all over the walls....and trickling down staircases staining carpets and the like. It's been an intergenerational disease we have been forced to transmit to our offspring for long enough.....that time is over.....forever, if I can help it.



2. "ok... you talking my tune right here ((Isis and Horus)) Greek/Roman Gods.... tell me more....

The true names of Horus and Isis are 'Heru' and 'Aset'. One was a God, the other a Goddess
(son and Mother to be precise) and they were worshipped by the Africans of the Nile Valley Basin over 5000 years before Yahweh, Jesus, Allah or Muhammad were even thoughts in anyones minds anywhere on this planet. That is an historical FACT you can take to the bank. They saw their greatest expression in Ancient Egypt and were transported out of Africa as the Herculaeum Worship of the Goddess Isis (Paris = 'Par' 'Isis', or 'the place of Isis') hence:

"Negroes were first worshipped in Greece and Rome. White masses bowed down to black deities. The rites of Apollo were founded by Delphos and his negro mother, Melainis; and the worship of black Isis and Horus were popular in Rome and the Roman colonies as far north as Britain.
When this latter evolved into the worship of the Black Madonna and the BLACK CHRIST whites also bowed down to them. Negroes, as was said, were deified in the early Greece. They appeared as gods in Greek mythology. The chief title of Zeus,greatest of the Greek gods, was 'Ethiops', that is 'Black' ."

J.A. Rogers
'NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE'
publ. 1952





Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:11PM
Christine Govenor
@Harry Watley


"The fact that we cannot dialogue in honesty is indicative of that we are an ignorant people, am I right. What can straighten us out but the spirit of God and God anointed prophet to us?"


Speak for yourself Harry....youre the 'arsehole' I was referring to above. You came on my page with all that innaccurate stuff you tried to pass off as history and then when I checked your ass, you got reeally quiet. Hmm seems to happen alot around here. Wonder why. 'We'are not an ignorant people....we are an historically lobotomized people, many of whom enjoy speaking as if they actually know something about history until I come skipping down the proverbial 'you don't know sh*t' road. And just like traumatized Jakie boy above you tried (key word here folks 'tried') to attack my gender as well....profusely and explicitly so. In fact I'll copy and paste it here as I never responded t that particular verbal assault as I became engrossed in another debate elsewhere. I sometimes justignore the weak stuff. But since were all here as one big happy family.....minus Jakie Boy who's probably cleaning the crap out of his yarmulke.....I'll just copy and paste your disrespectful remarks and respond to them here in this forum where there is an audience present.
I prefer to dismantle you mental midgets in public. More fun and others get to learnin the process.
Two birds with one stone....now that's talent for ya. I'm going to copy and paste all of the names you called people on my page. You came here and want to present yourself as something to be listened to and respected. When I'm done with you....your going to apologize to your Mother for having been born. And afterwards I may or may not slap her one across the face for not teaching her disrespectful poor excuse of a son to show more respect when addressing and African woman.
Next?
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:12PM
Christine Govenor
Jesus, Allah or Muhammad were even thoughts in anyones minds anywhere on this planet. That is an historical FACT you can take to the bank.

CHA CHING!!! making interest..... Fascinating.... My Philosophy instructor was blowing my mind with this stuff... Thats excactly what she said....

She actually told me that mythology was the first relgion base..... star worshiping... planets... nature...

My dad always tells me that I have to learn his family religion.... Gods of Health,Beauty, Love... Mater of Life... BUT like I say no spooky stuff.....

Since during this verbal spiritual praise.... what happened.... because I read that the Romans were knowledgeable about the GODS...

Girl.... you got me here.... Im with this.....


what else..... gotta go back to make a deposit!!! ha
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:24PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hello David.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:36PM
Adam Fate
@Queen Cynthia


Both the Greeks and the Romans were savages playing 'civilization', no different than when childen play 'house' or 'doctor'. The Romans subsumed Greek so called civilization, while the Greeks themselves went to Africa to learn as did the Romans upon their conquest of the Greeks hence:


"After the Greeks (and thus the Romans) were CIVILIZED BY THE AFRICANS IN EGYPT most of what we now know as 'Europe' was still barbaric, and unheard of. There was really NO EUROPE in ancient times......and Europe as we know it was divided by the Rhine-Danube frontier, south and west of which lay the civilized provinces of the empire, and north and east the ''BARBARIANS' of whom the civilized world KNEW ALMOST NOTHING"

A HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD
R.R. Palmer (Prof. Yale University)
and Joel Colton (Prof. of History at Duke University)




Tell little Jakie boy to stop crying.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:39PM
Christine Govenor
adam
you wanted to debate here you go get in ! what is on your mind ?
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christine, now I am on the same page. Love the scholarship.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:41PM
Adam Fate
David, I 'm hear to listen, ask questions. Christine is the teacher.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:42PM
Adam Fate

i thought you was talking **** about debating her what happen ?
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David, I find nothing to disagree with what she is teaching.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:52PM
Adam Fate
lol !
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
thank you Princess.,..... Pangea..... right....

ok... now I know I am going to regret asking this question ..... but I gotta knopw

The King James Bible.... are we reading the actual copies/poorly edited ..... Christian Creation and Mythology Creation bares some similarities..... So Are the Lost Books.... Jubilees Maccabees, Susana, Thomas, Acts of Pilate.... are they false....

I got so many things we can discuss..... but first I gotta think.... Christine... love your scholarship.... You all rite.....


Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:56PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@Everyone

I am not in favor of teaching whites where I can avoid it as I am always keenly aware of the fact that they resent Truth at their core. But if dialogue with this white will help to remedy the disease from which my people suffer as result of contact (or as I prefer...'contamination') with his people, then I will proceed.


"Christine, I was just looking to fill in some blanks. Obviously the Church came under State control at the Council of Nicea, and the interviewer asked him to relate the circumstances leading to that, i.e. the prior 300 years, but Mr. Williams never really got into it. It's kind of a stale question at this point, I thought since you had his books I would ask you."


Ok David. I will tell you. And when I am done you will do a small favor for the youth of both of our people; you will teach them what you have learned. If I had it me way you wouldbe blocked from this forum as I have just blocked you from mine. To be privy to our sacred converstaions is no small thing. With the blessings of my Afrikan family members on this page I will continue. Without it I will not. You can rest assure of this. Even the comments of my Jake and Harry will go unanswered if I do not recieve their blessing to continue in your presence as I must acknowledge them before I acknowledge you. We may fight amongst each other ....but we are family, you are not. of this I am very, very clear.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 9:59PM
Christine Govenor
David, Christine is answering questions I've had for a long, long time.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:00PM
Adam Fate
teach sista....
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:01PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
christine
can you speek on the the life of Mohammad ?
inlighten some of us about the life of this so called prophet !
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:01PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@Princess.... chew him up gently...
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Christine, understood.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:03PM
Adam Fate
ok i will do as you request !!
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Steve/Adam.... where's Robert?
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:06PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
robert dont want none of christine !
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@Queen Cynthia


Our people in this country (men women and children) were put to death by whites for learning how to read and write. Not even the most profound scholars from amongst our people have ever addressed the implications of why this was so, nor have they addressed it's impact on the myriad realities we currently suscribe to. I will say this before I take my 2 hour break and then I will return to see if that Blessing has been granted. It only takes one of you, and I will proceed.


A God with Amnesia....is a hell of a thing. Now Black Woman, go look at yourself in the mirror and see if you can see yourself a bit clearer.....brush away the confusion of Rome and Greece and their attendent aberrations and look back at what you created out of your own Afrikan mind. Then and only then can you see how everyone stole from you.....and then be prepared to see with stark clarity the price 'your' beautiful black children have had to pay for 'your' forgetfulness, 'your' lack of vigilance and see the state we have been reduced to....by savages, we once taught...even to walk upright, once again.



"Barbarians can neither think nor act rationally, theological controversies are Greek to them... Under the assault of their horrible songs the classic meter of the ancient poet goes to pieces...Barbarians are driven by evil spirits; "possessed by demons", who force them to commit the most terrible acts...incapable of living according to written laws and only reluctantly tolerating kings...Their lust for gold is immense, their love of drink boundless. Barbarians are without restraint...... they are given to gross personal hygiene...They run dirty and barefoot, even in the winter...They grease their blond hair with butter and care not that it smells rancid...Their reproductive energy is inexhaustible; the Northern climate of their native land, with its long winter nights favors their fantastic urge to procreate...If a barbarian people is driven back or destroyed, another already emerges from the marshes and forests of Germany...Indeed, there are no new barbarian peoples--descendents of the same tribes keep appearing." 


Herwig Wolfram,
Austrian historian. Professor emeritus at the University of Vienna,
Director of the Austrian Institute for Historical Research
(Institut für Österreichische Geschichtsforschung ).
The History of the Goths, p. 6-7). 



I couldn't lie even if I wanted to...I am forbidden to do so.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:18PM
Christine Govenor
Illuminati conspiracies
"Writing in the aftermath of the French Revolution, these monarchists had created a counterhistory in defense of the aristocracy. Winning the hearts and minds of present and future readers would assuage some of the pain of recent defeat and mobilize defenses. The Revolution, they argued, was not rooted in poverty and despotism. Rather than a rising of the masses, it was the work of Adam Weishaupt’s Illuminati, a secret society that plotted to destroy all civil and religious authority and abolish marriage, the family, and private property. It was the Illuminati who schemed to turn contented peasants 'from Religion to Atheism, from decency to dissoluteness, from loyalty to rebellion.' "
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
In the 1950s and 1960s, members of the John Birch Society made much of this supposed 'shadow' organization, using it as an effective substitute for their anti-Semitism. Perhaps some of the confusion regarding the organization is due to the fact that over time, the word illuminati came to be used more expansively for many enthusiasts of Enlightenment, including but not limited to the followers of Emmanuel Swedenborg. Nevertheless, the Illuminati's connection with Freemasonry was date-specific (the late 1700s) and place-specific (what is now Germany); it had NO involvement in Freemasonry elsewhere despite fanciful claims. Even the oft-mentioned 'Proofs of A Conspiracy' written in 1797 by Robison (and the root cause of so much furor in the United States as a result of one Boston Minister's fanciful claims made based on that book) notes that the Illuminati's brand of Freemasonry was NOT the same Freemasonry as found in England and from which all other legitimate Masonic lodges today can trace their ancestry.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:27PM
DAVID JOHNSON
come on christine teach the masses !
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David...be patient as I am going to speak to Islam in such a way that when I do....it will limp over to Christianity and ask it for help that will not be forth coming as it too will lay as a dead carcass. Cynthia I will answer all of your questions about the various Bibles, but first I will address Adam's questions as I think much of your other questions will be answered in the process. Adam posit your first question and when I return....I will comence. Make sure any 'bullet' you fire in my direction pierces the heart of my argument or be forewarned I will destroy any and every argument you put forth with a vengeance like none you have ever witnessed, or will ever witness again in this lifetime...I can most certainly assure you of this. Now...place your questions as they relate to the statement you made above:


"Christine, I was just looking to fill in some blanks. Obviously the Church came under State control at the Council of Nicea, and the interviewer asked him to relate the circumstances leading to that, i.e. the prior 300 years, but Mr. Williams never really got into it. It's kind of a stale question at this point, I thought since you had his books I would ask you."



What would you like to know ?
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:56PM
Christine Govenor
These are just some of the passges whites vigilantly kept out of their public 'fool-systems' so that little white children would not have to suffer from the inferiority complex which they in turn fostered upon our own. Imagine a white teacher calling a student up to the front of a multiracial, multi cultural classroom and having a black or a white child read these words aloud in front of the class; who would then be the well adjusted ones?


"How low the SAVAGE EUROPEANS must've looked to the Nile Valley AFRICANS looking north from his pyramid of Cheops?"

Prof. Dorsey (American Ethnologist and Anthropologist)
WHY WE BEHAVE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS
( publ. 1925)





"Four thousand years ago, when civilization was one or two thousand years old WHITE MEN WERE JUST A BUNCH OF SEMI-SAVAGES on the OUTSKIRTS OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD. "

Joseph Mcabe
KEY TO CULTURE -BOOK III
(publ. 1927)







"It was some 5000 years ago that the Egyptians had brought their civilization to so high a pitch. at this time Europe was still living in the twilight of the neolithic age. at the time when inhabitants of the Nile Valley were raising these mighty pyramids, and graving on the walls of their tombs the sculptures which have preserved the record of their religion and their life...the thoughts which animated their living brains, and the hopes which they held for their heads, the men of Great Britain were still in a state of semi-savagery, still dwelling in caves from which they had driven out animals only wilder than themselves, still roughly scratching on bone with sharp flints those rude figures which were all of art they knew"

Robert De Rustafjaell Esq. (Geologist, Mining Engineer and *Scholar)
THE LIGHT OF EGYPT
(London 1909)










"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."


Elizabeth Payne,
The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt






"Africa long remained a mystery and, yet....was it not...the cradle of history? An African country, Egypt, thousands of years old , still presents, practically intact today, the most venerable monuments of Antiquity. At a time when ALL OF EUROPE WAS ONLY SAVAGERY, WHEN PARIS AND LONDON WERE SWAMPS, AND ROME AND ATHENS UNINHABITED SITES, AFRICA ALREADY POSSESSED AN ANTIQUE CIVILIZATION IN THE VALLEY OF THE NILE; it had populous cities....great public works, SCIENCES, and arts; it had already produced gods."



The French Historian, Jacques Weulersse
L'AFRIQUE NOIRE (Paris, Ed. Artheme Fayard, p.11)







There is a savage in our midst....one who wishes to learn.......again.










Of the peoples known to Afrikans of the ancient world, Europeans were the least advanced:
“I am ashamed to say so, since our race is the last and most savage,” he admits. “Europeans … in those remote epochs did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we must include all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well.”

Jean-Francois Champollion.
Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.



Europeans during the time of the Afrikan pharaohs:
“what we call flesh-colored, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in hairy ox-skin, [was] A VERITABLE SAVAGE tattooed on various parts of his body.”

Jean-Francois Champollion.
Nineteenth century French scholar; the reputed father of Egyptology.






They have not changed....we have. We have been brought low. If you wish to remain where you are....low in the degredations of the falsehoods these savages have disoriented you with, then by all means....stay where the hell you are. I would never remove a pig from the muck and mire of it's filth...why would I? It is happy there. But if you wish to avenge your Ancestors by simply reclaiming and restoring that which was forcibly taken from you, YOUR MIND, then walk with me as this savage attempts to set me up for a fall. What he fails to realize is that his arms are too short to box with God.

Monday, November 1st 2010 at 10:57PM
Christine Govenor
I type rather quickly so misspellings and missing words will be evident. My fingers do not keep up with my mind...impossible. Sometimes I repost if I've noticed a mistake. If I don't ..figure it out.

I'll return at 1-2 Am.
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:02PM
Christine Govenor
They are the Savages today.... who stripped us of cour birth rites.... our land, our family our religion, used gifts inorder to persuade us to go against each other.... Our Race has always been the stronger, smarter, nurturer.....

They were afraid that if we learn to read and write that our knowledge would exceed theres... And today our people have to stand up against unjustices... racism... bigotry... allienation....

Today our people who are the inheritance of this world ... all of it was ours....

I teach my sons that they are Mighty Kings and Warriors... They are Intelligent and Gifted... Blackness is not a curse.... It's a part of our inheritance.. Embrace it and love it....

Never walk in darknes.... Always seek the Light!
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
The implications an the after-effects of slavery, did a lot of damage to both the minds and the economy of colored people even years after slavery. Racism still flourishes in society. Unfortunately, it is one of those predicaments Blacks have to face in their economic struggle. Our yelling reaction to racism has lost its fire. For many years we sang the song, did the dance, walked the march in the process of outcry about the painful effects of racism. Things have changed and times are different, but many Blacks today are suffering from the after-effects of the struggle for justice. They are mentally lost in a time warp!
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Sister Girl... You all rite with me.... I'll me back and forth take your time... Im cool
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
that's why it's important thant we read about our people.... our children are not going to get it from the history books...

One thing a racist cant stand is a educated (*&&%!! and a Smart ^%$&( is an upity .....!!!
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:08PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
hey Sista Thomasena.... We have been having a blast!
Monday, November 1st 2010 at 11:19PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
some people dont understand the link how ISLAM in tied into Christianity the way i see it is The influence of Christianity was brought to bear upon Arabia both from Syria in the northwest and from Mesopotamia in the northeast. In the sixth century A.D. the Arabic kingdoms of the Ghassanids in Syria and the Lakhmids in Mesopotamia were allied respectively with the Byzantine and the Persian empires and were strong centers respectively of Monophysite and of Nestorian Christianity. From these regions and in this time if not also earlier, Christian ideas spread on into the farther reaches of Arabia. A careful study of the relevant data particularly in the Qur'an shows that Muhammad had a very considerable store of knowledge of Judaism and Christianity, and that it was of the sort which he would have been most likely to obtain through oral channels and personal observation over a long period of time. He was specially impressed, it seems, with the fact that both the Jews and the Christians were People of a Book, and it was his desire likewise to provide his own people with a Book which would be to them what the Torah was to the Jews and the Bible to the Christians. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:13AM
DAVID JOHNSON
. Koran 5:116, represents Christians as worshipping Mary as the third member of the Trinity, when in fact the only ones worshiping Mary, based upon the record of history, were the pagan Arabs who worship her idol in the Kaba. But the confusion started with the Roman Catholic church who, although they didn’t worship Mary at that time (they do today), they went around calling her "mother of God". Historically, no one before 300 AD ever referred to Mary as the "Mother of God".

1. "The passage of the Qur'an which suggests that the Trinity consists of Father, Son, and Virgin Mary is doubtless a criticism of some nominally Christian Arabs who held this view." (Muhammad at Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, 1953, p 23-29)
2. The strictness of Mohammed's monotheistic attitude became increasingly severe. He went much farther than Eastern Christianity, whose Christolatry and Mariolatry he regarded as idolatry. Not even Judaism withstood the test of his monotheistic zeal. He regarded the Jewish reverence for Ezra as on the same level as the Christian adoration of Jesus (9, 30). (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-3
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:18AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christine,

The question I have is what happened say from 70 CE or so, if we accept that date as the earliest Christian writings. I am not saying it should be accepted as the date, this is just what my understanding is. So if that is incorrect, then of course we must start from the true beginning, whatever that is. The same with the church in Alexandria, when did it start, what role did it play? I am interested in the process that led from the Egyptian origin of Christianity to the time it first became a tool of the State, which was under Constantine it seems. Did the process start with ignorance or deceit? What is the truth about the earliest Christian writings? I am not making any assumptions whatsoever. Just trying to put the question as clearly as I can.


Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:21AM
Adam Fate
If I may revise my question somewhat, it is postulated by some, that the gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke have a common base in earlier writings. So 70 CE (Mark) may not be the place really to start.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:51AM
Adam Fate
Not really sure what you're asking because during the supposed time of Jesus there exist no Jewish writings referring to him..however, during the First and Second Revolts..the religion that had sprung up among the Hellenized and Romanized apostates and non Jewish Romans in Judea was definitely used against the Jewish people. For a more objective look at history and the beginnings of Christianity and the expulsion of the Jewish people from Judea and the Gallilee..
Christianity from it's very beginnings was never unified in certain concepts.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 2:20AM
DAVID JOHNSON
adam follow this link look on pg 139
http://books.google.com/books?id=UxJbGClip...
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 2:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
follow this link http://www.kemetway.com/massey1.html
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 2:35AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I will begin in 10 minutes or less
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 2:49AM
Christine Govenor
Adam...I've read your questions, the original and 'revised'. I guess it's safe to assume your saving your bombshells for deeper water as I would. I respect that.
The questions you asked above did not contain the depth I'd hoped they would. Your question basically reflected that you've been as miseducated as has everyone else in this forum, which is in fact the actual case for all whites as basically none of them (other than certain Egyptologists) can say that they've glimpsed the truth as it actually occured. I have decided Adam....to lead this inquiry by question. Anyone may answer. Adam i hope to see you answering as quickly if not quicker than everyone else being I have chosen this method so that you may finally have the answers to your questions. If I could sread your passion for answers throughout our own communities you would see a resurgence of the Kings and Queens brought low by your savage ancestors. We will use this exercise to bring that reality brought to bear. Are you all ready for the first question? Only one 'yes' will suffice.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 3:02AM
Christine Govenor
Thank you David, I will take a look at the links. I am off to bed, but will just say first, it has always puzzled me why, if we accept the historicity of Jesus, and the date of the gospel of Mark (both of which I leave open to question), there was a 40 year gap between the two.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 3:09AM
Adam Fate
Christine, I am in fact pretty uneducated on the subject. I have no bombshells. I'm ready for your question.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 3:13AM
Adam Fate
@Everyone


If you do not know about Alexander of Macedon you will NEVER understand what brough Christianity into being. The person who was closest to the Truth was Saint Jake....he had only one thing standing in his way (?); his 'beliefs'. That is the only purpose they serve....to block you from the Truth; that is why you were furnished with them in the first place. This is why I had to rattle his cage...try waking up a person deep in sleep without shaking them and you will see how ineffective your efforts are.
Now he's paying attention. i know I would be; ready to pounce (smile).


Here's the Zillion dollar question that starts it all...anyone may answer. I will not proceed to the next question until the current one is answered, always. You must all learn how to learn. The first step to learning is thinking. So thinking caps on. Use computers dictionaries ...everything at your disposal. The quicker one of you answers the quicker we move on. See how far down the rabbit hole actually goes.



WHAT WAS ALEXANDER'S GREATEST ASPIRATION WHEN HE ARRIVED IN ANCIENT EGYPT?
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 4:23AM
Christine Govenor
He was a conquer who invaded and seized territory
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:46AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Alexander entered Egypt in 331 BC. When he arrived, he was welcomed, and he ordered a city to be designed and founded in his name at the mouth of the river Nile. Alexandria would become one of the major cultural centers in the Mediterranean world in the following centuries.

In the spring of 331 Alexander made a pilgrimage to the great temple and oracle of Amon-Ra, Egyptian god of the sun, whom the Greeks identified with Zeus. The earlier Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be sons of Amon-Ra and Alexander, the new ruler of Egypt, wanted the god to acknowledge him as his son. The pilgrimage apparently was successful, and it may have confirmed in him a belief in his own divine origin.

While in Egypt, Alexander spontaneously decided to make the dangerous trip across the desert to visit the oracle at the temple of Zeus Ammon. On the way, he was blessed with abundant rain, and he was guided across the desert by ravens. At the temple, Alexander spoke to the oracle about matters that are unclear to most historians. Many sources, however, speculated that the priest told Alexander that he was the son of Zeus Ammon and that he was destined to rule the world.

http://faq.macedonia.org/history/alexander...


Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 9:11AM
Adam Fate
I'm not done, digging deeper.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 9:42AM
Adam Fate
Good Morning Everyone.... Especially you Princess.... Can't wait for the lesson today....
Alexander the Great... greatest inspiration when he arrived in Egypt???

ok... (1) he wanted to unite the macedonians whom Aristotle saw as barbarians
(2) He wanted Zeus to accept him as his son (3) He wanted To Conquer and Rule the World
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 10:32AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Siwah: Alexander the God

In the winter of 331 BC, Alexander detoured through the desert to the Siwah oasis to visit the temple of Zeus-Ammon. Again, we have multiple accounts of this occasion, but in each one of them Alexander leaves Siwah with the firm belief he is the son of Zeus-Ammon and therefore a god. According to Arrian, after Alexander visited his new territory of Egypt he “suddenly found himself passionately eager to visit the shrine of Ammon in Libya.” Arrian asserts Alexander wished to embark on this journey to learn about his heritage, for he “had a feeling that in some way he was descended from Ammon,” and wanted to affirm this hunch.

Curtius’ account is similar, claiming “after settling administrative matters ..., [Alexander] decided to visit the oracle of Jupiter Ammon.” After a hot, dry journey through the desert, Alexander and his party reached the Siwah oasis, site of the temple of Ammon. Curtius describes the priest addressing Alexander as “son” (meaning son of Jupiter-Ammon), and insinuating Philip was not Alexander’s father at all. However, Curtius himself, in keeping with his somewhat skeptical view of the king, implies the priest may have merely been flattering Alexander.

Plutarch confirms both aspects of Curtius’ account—that Alexander was welcomed as son of the god and that the priest cautioned Alexander against calling Philip his father. Arrian is quite vague, stating only that Alexander asked his question and received “the answer which his heart desired.” Recalling Arrian’s assertion that Alexander wished to confirm his feeling that he was the son of Zeus-Ammon with this side trip, and with Curtius’ and Plutarch’s accounts in mind, it is obvious in all three sources that Alexander indeed came away set in the knowledge that he was the son of god.

Whether or not it was flattery on the part of the priest, from this point on Alexander believed he was the son of Zeus-Ammon, a divine being with invincibility and greatness beyond that of any human. Further evidence of this belief can be found later in the accounts of Alexander’s life. Curtius claims Alexander “did not just permit but actually ordered the title ‘Jupiter’s son’ to be accorded to himself,” and later “wished to be believed, not just called, the son of Jupiter.” It is clear Alexander valued this title and privileged nature among mankind very highly.

According to Curtius and Justin, Alexander requested shortly before his death to be buried in the temple of Ammon, taking his divine parentage seriously—or attempting to prove his divinity to others even in death. In light of his stern belief in his own divinity, it is logical Alexander would wish to be buried at the temple where he first learned of his lineage and where his own father was housed and worshiped—it would become a dynastic symbol. Burial as a god would also indicate immortality, something Alexander likely hoped for and certainly hoped others would attribute to his memory. Arrian includes an otherwise unmentioned story, one he himself appears not to believe, which describes the dying Alexander at Babylon trying to throw himself into the Euphrates, so it appeared as though he vanished rather than died a mortal death. Even if the story is untrue, its circulation affirms the implication found in the request to be buried at the temple of Zeus-Ammon—Alexander was hoping he would be remembered as more than the king of Macedon or conqueror of Persia. The king was hoping to use his death as one last push to the public to approve of and embrace his divinity: to be remembered as Alexander the God.

2009
The Remains of Alexander the Great: The God,
The King, The Symbol
Lauren O'Connor
Illinois Wesleyan University


Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 10:54AM
Adam Fate
Good Morning Cynthia.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 10:55AM
Adam Fate
ok..... BANG!!!
Toc onquer and steal the records of law, poetry, government, religion, etc. The Intiquities..... And he did and the Most High gave him the power to take down those low life Egyptian Hamites. I'm glad he destroyed them even though he was a homos*xual white devil. ((Thanks..... SJ))...

ok.... I cheated... needed a little help.... BUt looking for the answer was awesome....!!

This is some information.... I gotta pass on to my son Deshonne...
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 11:15AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
ooohh.... Im scared.... LOL!! there will not be any confrontations.... Im in it to win it.... OK BABY Bro....
I needed your help... I wanted your help!!
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 11:25AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
((wink)) ((kiss))
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 11:25AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
oh and one more thing.... that's the beauty of it all....
I ADORE YOUR QUICK-STRONG-SPIRITED MIND... I VALUE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.... You have taught me alot ((edomites)) lol!!!
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 11:28AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
i see we are geting it in this morning good !
Christine again i want to thank you for coming to BIA and spreading the knowledge i know your desire to enlighten the people and spread wisdom across the pages of this site is real and for that mt sister i thank you !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 11:59AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Alexander the Great placed his stamp onto the history of nations as the precursor of Christ, since he:
brought the Hellenic civilization to the East,
established the Greek language as the only common tongue of communication amongst all the nations of the then known world, which was used as a vehicle to promulgate Christianity, that addressed peace and love between nations,
condemned racial discrimination and declared religious freedom.

Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 12:20PM
DAVID JOHNSON
He was welcomed by the Egyptians as a deliverer !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 12:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
10 However, the seers exhorted him to be of good cheer, since the city here founded by him would have most abundant and helpful resources and be a nursing mother for men of every nation, and so he ordered those in charge of the work to proceed with it, while he himself set out for the temple of Ammon. 11 The journey thither was long, full of toils and hardships, and had two perils. One is the dearth of water, which leaves the traveller destitute of it for many days; the other arises when a fierce south wind smites men travelling in sand of boundless depth, 12 as is said to have been the case with the army of Cambyses, long ago; the wind raised great billows of sand all over the plain and buried up fifty thousand men, to their utter destruction. 13 Almost all of Alexander's followers took all these things into consideration, but it was difficult to turn him aside from any course so ever when he had once set out upon it. 14 For Fortune, by yielding to his onsets, was making his purpose obstinate, and the high spirit which he carried into his undertakings rendered his ambition finally invincible, so that it subdued not only enemies, but even times and places.

27 At all events, during the journey which he made at this time, the assistance rendered him by Heaven in his perplexities met with more credence than the oracles which he afterwards received, nay, in a way, the oracles obtained credence in consequence of such assistance. 2 For, to begin with, much rain from heaven and persistent showers removed all fear of thirst, quenched the dryness of the sand, so that it became moist and compact, and made the air purer and good to breathe. 3 Again, when the marks for the guides became confused, and the travellers were separated and wandered about in ignorance of the route, ravens appeared and assumed direction of their march, flying swiftly on in front of them when they followed, and waiting for them when they marched slowly and lagged behind. 4 Moreover, what was most astonishing of all, Callisthenes tells us that the birds by their cries called back those who straggled away in the night, and cawed until they had set them in the track of the march.

5 When Alexander had passed through the desert and was come to the place of the oracle, the prophet of Ammon gave him salutation from the god as from a father; whereupon Alexander asked him whether any of the murderers of his father had escaped him. 6 To this the prophet answered by bidding him be guarded in his speech, since his was not a mortal father. Alexander therefore changed the form of his question, and asked whether the murderers of Philip had all been punished; and then, regarding his own empire, he asked whether it was given to him to become lord and master of all mankind. 7 The god gave answer that this was given to him, and that Philip was fully avenged. Then Alexander made splendid offerings to the god and gave his priests large gifts of money.

8 This is what most writers state regarding the oracular responses; but Alexander himself, in a letter to his mother, says that he received certain secret responses, which he would tell to her, and to her alone, on his return. 9 And some say that the prophet, wishing to show his friendliness by addressing him with "O paidion," or O my son, in his foreign pronunciation ended the words with "s" instead of "n," and said, "O paidios," and that Alexander was pleased at the slip in pronunciation, and a story became current that the god had addressed him with "O pai Dios," or O son of Zeus. 10 We are told, also, that he listened to the teachings of Psammon the philosopher in Egypt, and accepted most readily this utterance of his, namely, that all mankind are under the kingship of God, since in every case that which gets the mastery and rules is divine. 11 Still more philosophical, however, was his own opinion and utterance on this head, namely that although God was indeed a common father of all mankind, still, He made peculiarly His own the noblest and best of them.

28 In general, he bore himself haughtily towards the Barbarians, and like one fully persuaded of his divine birth and parentage, but with the Greeks it was within limits and somewhat rarely that he assumed his own divinity. 2 However, in writing to the Athenians concerning Samos, he said: "I cannot have given you that free and illustrious city; for ye received it from him who was then your master and was called my father," meaning Philip. 3 At a later time, however, when he had been hit by an arrow and was suffering great pain, he said: "This, my friends, that flows here, is blood, and not

'Ichor, such as flows from the veins of the blessed gods.' "

4 Once, too, there came a great peal of thunder, and all were terrified at it; whereupon Anaxarchus the sophist who was present said to Alexander: "Couldst thou, the son of Zeus, thunder like that?" At this, Alexander laughed and said: "Nay, I do not wish to cause fear in my friends, as thou wouldst have me do, thou who despisest my suppers because, as thou sayest, thou seest the tables furnished with fish, and not with satraps' heads." 5 For, in fact, we are told that Anaxarchus, on seeing a present of small fish which the king had sent to Hephaestion, had uttered the speech above mentioned, as though he were disparaging and ridiculing those who undergo great toils and dangers in the pursuit of eminence and power, since in the way of enjoyments and pleasures they have little or nothing more than other men. 6 From what has been said, then, it is clear that Alexander himself was not foolishly affected or puffed up by the belief in his divinity, but used it for the subjugation of others.

Excerpt from Plutarch
The Life of Alexander

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...

Plutarch's Sources

Since Plutarch wrote around 100 A.D., over 400 years after Alexander, he can hardly be considered a primary source. At the same time, he appears to have been very careful in his research, and may be the best source now extant. For the details, see the Plutarch section of the excellent multi-page analysis at Livius of the sources for the life of Alexander, to which I would only add one further source not mentioned in that essay, the only one that Plutarch himself specifically cites, are actual letters of Alexander and Olympias (III.7.6, III.8.1, III.17.8, III.20.9, III.22.5, IV.27.8, V.39.7, VIII.55.7; and a number of less direct references): whether these letters are real or fictional, whether cited first-hand or from an intermediate source, is a matter of judgment and scholarship.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...


Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 12:46PM
Adam Fate
David, that second link you gave me last night is very interesting. I bookmarked it for further study.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:17PM
Adam Fate
If there was ever a most enlightening and colorful blog on BIA in 2010 it would have to be this one...may this get BIA to number one...
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:38PM
Siebra Muhammad
51 When Alexander was conducted by the priests into the temple and had regarded the god for a while, the one who held the position of prophet, an elderly man, came to him and said, "Rejoice, son; take this form of address as from the god also." 2 He replied, "I accept, father; for the future I shall be called thy son. But tell me if thou givest me the rule of the whole earth." The priest now entered the sacred enclosure and as the bearers now lifted the god and were moved according to certain prescribed sounds of the voice, the prophet cried that of a certainty the god had granted him his request, and Alexander spoke again: "The last, O spirit, of my questions now answer; have I punished all those who were the murderers of my father or have some escaped me?" 3 The prophet shouted: "Silence! There is no mortal who can plot against the one who begot him. All the murders of Philip, however, have been punished. The proof of his divine birth will resist in the greatness of his deeds; as formerly he has been undefeated, so now he will be unconquerable for all time." 4 Alexander was delighted with these responses. He honoured the god with rich gifts and returned to Egypt.

Diodorus Siculus
Book 17, Chapter 51

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roma...


Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:50PM
Adam Fate
Everyone is doing a great job of staying in their lane and following the rules of the road...except for Harry who is still crossing the double solid white lines (LOL)..
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 1:54PM
Siebra Muhammad
Way to GO Princess..... !!!!! YOU got BIG Mann's Approval
(((Hell of a discussion. And great job Ms. Govenor! )))

I have to agree with Siebra.... this is 2010's BLOG for BIA!!!

It'll make 3000 HITS!!!!
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 3:41PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I would highly, highly ......highly suggest that everyone reads what Adam has been posting. Without that knowledge you will NEVER know what happened to your Ancestors. How poetic, it was asavage who brought us down, it is now a savage who assists in our re-ascension. Not only has he presented well, but the way in which he presented shows...he 'gets it'.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 4:59PM
Christine Govenor
Adam/Steve/??....... he got it!!!
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
:o..... Adam/Steve/???............ :o
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:04PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
cynthia
remember the link you sent me yesterday
well it has the same info so good job to you and adam !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thank you Christine, for the lesson plan, and the homework assignment.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:29PM
Adam Fate
@Mozell Fleming


1.In one breath Mozell, you say "Christene, you have far exceeded my rudimary knowledge as I drifted along the edge of history". In the very next breath you posit "these facts have been known by many of us for many years".


These sentiments are mutually exclusive as both cannot not smultaneously be true. You either know...or you don't. You have already intimated that you do not. Please do not confuse the 'education' you have been the recipient of with where I am eventually going in this discourse. That would be the same fatal mistake black people continue to make incessantly so; the mistake of thinking they already know everything there is to know pertaining to them, when in point of fact your historical enemies know more about you than you do. You can only feign manhood while speaking a language forced on you by those who violated your women at will, and who have reduced you to the level of a mere citizen on this planet (just barely so) when you once ruled it. From this point on I will address only the subject matter at hand as in every class room there are those who desire to know, whilst still there are others who will simply "drifted along the edge". You can do nothing with an answer you do not have. This is the greatest difference. You Mozell have questions....I have none. All of mine have been answered; therefore answers are all that I have. What I am ignorant of I am simply ignorant of until such time occurs that I am no longer ignorant of it. But what I know, I know and therefore do not require belief.
There is no need for me to subject my mind to games.....even 2000 year old 'games'.


2. Saint James:

"Toc onquer and steal the records of law, poetry, government, religion, etc. The Intiquities"..... And he did"

You are incorrect. Though 'history' may tell you that it was, It was not Alexander who succeeded in these things, it was his successors. Alexander cared not for such things. He cared about one thing and one thing only. He was an illiterate savage who wanted to be as a God.
In Ancient Africa only, there existed the phenomena of the 'God King', a veritable earthly 'Son of God'. In Ancient Egypt this was the office assumed by the Nst Bty (he who comes from the South who is King of All Egypt, Upper and Lower). It was this Office that Alexander was obsessed with....and nothing else. This is also why he requested that his body be buried in Africa only.....Egypt only. I commission all of you....to ask your children, your families your pastors... this question; "If Africans were savages swinging on trees in the jungles and eating one another, as so many still claim and believe, then why did the greatest of all European conquerors of the known world at that time choose to be buried in Africa ONLY? Why not Macedonia, Greece, or any of his ancestral haunts? He chose Africa because one who saw himself as the greatest in his own mind could only spend ETERNITY with....THE GREATEST. THIS WOULD BE YOU MY AFRICAN PEOPLE.



3. "and the Most High gave him the power to take down those low life Egyptian Hamites. I'm glad he destroyed them even though he was a homos*xual white devil."


This is religious tradition, not a reflection of the historical record; not even in the remotest sense.
That he was a homos*xual is attested to by the historical record; that he was a white devil is matter of course.



Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:40PM
Christine Govenor
I am going to show you images many of you have never seen before.....as you were never supposed to see them, as you were never supposed to know of what I am speaking of. If you were, it would have been taught to you in the hallowed halls of academia....it was not. That alone is proof enough that as a people your children were supposed to grow up and be concerned only with frivolity and insignificance. They were all meant to be 'functionaries', as a faucet or a door knob has it's function:

"The African on the continent has been sandwhiched by the whites in the south and the Arabs to the north, they have been in effect 'squeezed' by both.
Likewise the African mind (yours and mine) has been intentionally squeezed into small spaces. We tend to squeeze ourselves into small spaces; a person with only 500 years worth of knowledge lives in 500 year room.....a person with 5000 years worth of knowledge, lives in 5000 YEAR ROOM'. Hence it makes a difference to your dynamic. Having your mind reconnected after it has been disconnected for the better part of 2000 years is no small matter as your mind occupies it's true space in conciousness."


Dr. Ivan Van Sertima
Rutgers University &
UNESCO (United Nations Educational Scientific Cultural Organiztion)




Time to escape our from our cages people.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 5:58PM
Christine Govenor
I will never move past a point as my students are the best of the best. Therefore Alexander must be UNDERSTOOD. There is no pastor who can tell you about him, no Rabbi or Imam. The university professors know much of the facts but their training is very very .....very limited. When we are done, you....will be the best.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:04PM
Christine Govenor
This is How Alexander is always Shown:


http://gardenofpraise.com/images/garalex.j...


Why is t they never show him the way he wanted to be remembered?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_sh...



"By the unanimous testimony of ancient historians, the Egyptians belonged to the Negro race which first settled in Ethiopia on the middle nile, following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea...."

Egyptologist/Historian Gaston Maspero (1846-1916) The Dawn of Civilization (London, 1894)



Hence Alexander wanted to be an African God King ( ie. a 'Sa Ra', or a 'Son of God').
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:11PM
Christine Govenor
i can see the key to the cage of my mind with more i will b free to spread my wings and teach the youth !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
i will post the info here >>>
The shrine was rededicated to Alexander the Great after it was reconstructed by him. Representations in this chamber depict Alexander the Great before an Ithyphallic Amun Alexander the Great standing before figures of the ithyphallic Amun. Alexander the Great is, of course, dressed as a pharaoh, and in these scenes he receives the two crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt. He also participates in offering rites. At one time four pillars defined the space where the sacred barque of Amun (of Karnak), and his image were placed during the Opet Festival, but these were replaced during the time of Alexander the Great with an inner shrine. Above the lintel of the doorway into this antechamber, a small chamber was built into the wall that was just large enough to accommodate a man. It was concealed by removable slabs, and accessed by holds cut in the wall. Some scholars believed this to be a priest-hole, where a priest would conceal himself during religious Detail from the Central Wall of the Barque Shrine modified by Alexander the Great ceremonies. He would then be the voice of Amun, when priests asked questions of the god.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
alright.... Thanks D.. Christine is the teacher....I am the student.... Just remember... Socrates and Plato... Plato gatherd all of his teacher's knowledge....
and shared with a larger audience..... I seek enlightenment...
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:47PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
everybody please respect what is going on here or i will ask you to leave !
i dont want this to be shot stooped because of some bull**** lets keep it 100 !
THIS IS BLACK HISTORY JETS RESPECT THAT OK !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:50PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ Everyone

One of the most telling images you will ever see....this is how your Christianity began. Look at the name of the temple he is visiting. Who will be the first to give me the name of the temple?

http://abundancesecrets.com/motivational-p...



Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:50PM
Christine Govenor
the Temple of Apis in Memphis
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 6:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@Mozell

I will say this once more and only once more. I detest repeating myself.

A God with amnesia is of no use to either himself nor to those who supplicate him. The same then is equally true of a people. A people suffering from collective amnesia, self imposed or otherwise (and in this case it would most definitively be 'otherwise) suffer from more textbook ailments than I could begin to name. They are in point of fact of no use to themselves or to anyone else other than to represent the interest of all polities extablished by the very entities who disoriented them in the first place for such express purpose. This is called for lack of better word.....'thinking'; very few people have been introduced to it as it was neither created nor produced in a 'fastfood culture' so I therefore re-iterate that you follow the suit of the savage present.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:01PM
Christine Govenor
Luxor.... Splendid
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
CYNTHIA HERE IS THE LINK TO THE LUXOR SPLENDID WITH PICS
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/egypt/l...
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
thanks D.... I stayed up late last night reading... I didn't read my class assignment for Philosophy class tonight.... I tell you knowledge is addictive....
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:12PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
simply gorgeous.... I have always had this longing to visit Egypt.... I'm going one day.... For some strange feeling.... Its like Im supposed to be there.... D.. when I get this degree... my son and I are going to re-conquer this world .....
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:19PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
THAT THE TRUTH CYNTHIA YOU ARE ON THE PATH ,,STAY ON IT !
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 7:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ammon was a Libyan deity, whose oracle was situated in the Siwa oasis, some 500 kilometers west of Memphis, the capital of ancient Egypt. The oasis was also called Ammon. The Egyptians identified the god with their own supreme deity Amun; they called god of the oracle "Amun of Siwa, lord of good counsel". The fact that the site was hard to reach, must have contributed to the feeling that an oracle from Ammon was something special - and therefore reliable.

Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 8:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The worship surrounding Amun, and later, Amun-Re represented one of ancient Egypt's most complex theologies. In his most mature form, Amun-Re became a hidden, secret god. In fact, his name (Imn), or at lest the name by which the ancient Egyptians called him, means "the hidden one" or "the secret one" (though there has been speculation that his name is derived from the Libyan word for water, aman. However, modern context seems to negate this possibility). In reality, however, and according to mythology, both his name and physical appearance were unknown, thus indicating his unknowable essence.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 8:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Amun-Re grew so important spiritually and politically by the time of the New Kingdom that Egypt became something of a Theocracy. At the apex of his worship, Egyptian religion approached monotheism. The other gods became mere symbols of his power, or manifestations of Amun-Re. In essence, he became the one and only supreme deity.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 8:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Yes David ...you are correct.


If you ask the average Christian what 'Amen' means they will tell with the most serious looks on their faces that it means 'so be it'. It does not ....it means "the hidden one, the unkowable one ie. God".
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 8:49PM
Christine Govenor
he keep on changing his image as he understood the power in them and so the people could ''see'' him as a god ? /powerful person
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 9:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The sacred animal of Amun was originally the Goose, and like Geb, he was sometimes known as the "Great Cackler". Later, Amun was more closely associated with the Ram, a symbol of fertility. At various times he also sometimes appears as a man with the head of a frog, the head of a uraeus, the head of a crocodile, or as an ape. However, when depicted as a king, he wears the crown of two plumes, a symbol borrowed from Min, and often sits on a throne. In this form, he is one of nine deities who compose the company of gods of Amen-Ra. In the Greek period (and somewhat earlier, in order to ascribe many attributes to Amun-Re, he was sometimes depicted in bronze with the bearded head of a man, the body of a beetle with the wings of a hawk, the legs of a man and the toes and claws of a lion. He was further provided with four hands and arms and four wings.
Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 9:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
My only meal of the day calls . I will see you all at midnight. Mozell...thank you for your patience, one more attempt to deviate from the discussion and you will be blocked....or I will take my leave. My time is not to be waisted. Strong suggestion...dont even respond to that.

I suggest those of you who can, be present when I return. Consider my schedule will not always allow for this. My suggestion? Take it advantage of it while you can.


I will leave you with this.

Alexander ended up at the Temple of God Apis as David said, and as you all saw in the photo as well (hence a picture is worth 1000 words).....you now know who God Amen is...but who is God 'Apis'...what are his attributes? How does it relate to Christianity? Lets take a look. My suggestion? If you no longer wish to be a 'dummy' when it comes to the subject matter we are discussing.....read the whole page.
See if you can find the word resurrected in the article as well. This way later on you will be able to understand what is being discussed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(Egyptia...



Tuesday, November 2nd 2010 at 9:20PM
Christine Govenor
[3.27] About the time when Cambyses arrived at Memphis, Apis appeared to the Egyptians. Now Apis is the god whom the Greeks call Epaphus. As soon as he appeared, straightway all the Egyptians arrayed themselves in their gayest garments, and fell to feasting and jollity: which when Cambyses saw, making sure that these rejoicings were on account of his own ill success, he called before him the officers who had charge of Memphis, and demanded of them - "Why, when he was in Memphis before, the Egyptians had done nothing of this kind, but waited until now, when he had returned with the loss of so many of his troops?" The officers made answer, "That one of their gods had appeared to them, a god who at long intervals of time had been accustomed to show himself in Egypt - and that always on his appearance the whole of Egypt feasted and kept jubilee." When Cambyses heard this, he told them that they lied, and as liars he condemned them all to suffer death.

[3.28] When they were dead, he called the priests to his presence, and questioning them received the same answer; whereupon he observed, "That he would soon know whether a tame god had really come to dwell in Egypt" - and straightway, without another word, he bade them bring Apis to him. So they went out from his presence to fetch the god. Now this Apis, or Epaphus, is the calf of a cow which is never afterwards able to bear young. The Egyptians say that fire comes down from heaven upon the cow, which thereupon conceives Apis. The calf which is so called has the following marks:- He is black, with a square spot of white upon his forehead, and on his back the figure of an eagle; the hairs in his tail are double, and there is a beetle upon his tongue.

[3.29] When the priests returned bringing Apis with them, Cambyses, like the harebrained person that he was, drew his dagger, and aimed at the belly of the animal, but missed his mark, and stabbed him in the thigh. Then he laughed, and said thus to the priests:- "Oh! blockheads, and think ye that gods become like this, of flesh and blood, and sensible to steel? A fit god indeed for Egyptians, such an one! But it shall cost you dear that you have made me your laughing-stock." When he had so spoken, he ordered those whose business it was to scourge the priests, and if they found any of the Egyptians keeping festival to put them to death. Thus was the feast stopped throughout the land of Egypt, and the priests suffered punishment. Apis, wounded in the thigh, lay some time pining in the temple; at last he died of his wound, and the priests buried him secretly without the knowledge of Cambyses.

The Persian Wars
by Herodotus

Written 440 BCE

Translated by George Rawlinson

Book 3 - THALIA

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/anc...


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:12AM
Adam Fate
a bull-deity worshipped in the Memphis region. he was "the renewal of the life" of the Memphite god Ptah: but after death he became Osorapis, i.e. the Osiris Apis, just as dead humans were assimilated to Osiris,Apis was the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt, and, as with the others, its importance increased as time went on. Greek and Roman authors have much to say about Apis, the marks by which the black bull-calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven,
the christians would kill the bulls as a sacrifice for there sins
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:19AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The earliest mention of a Serapis is in the disputed death scene of Alexander (323 BC).[3] Here, Serapis has a temple at Babylon, and is of such importance that he alone is named as being consulted on behalf of the dying king. His presence in Babylon would radically alter perceptions of the mythologies of this era, though fortunately it has been discovered that the unconnected Babylonian god Ea (Enki) was titled Serapsi, meaning 'king of the deep', and it is possible this Serapsi is the one referred to in the diaries. The significance of this Serapsi in the Hellenic psyche, due to its involvement in Alexander's death, may have also contributed to the choice of Osiris-Apis as the chief Ptolemaic god.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:28AM
DAVID JOHNSON
# the Argive Apis with the Egyptian bull Apis, who was in turn identified with Serapis (Sarapis)"; Pausanias also conflates Serapis and Egyptian Apis: "Of the Egyptian sanctuaries of Serapis the most famous is at Alexandria, the oldest at Memphis. Into this neither stranger nor priest may enter, until they bury Apis" (Pausanias,Description of Greece, 1.18.4).
# ^ Reported from Arrian, Anabasis, VII. 26.
# ^ In his Description of Greece, Pausanias notes two Serapeia on the slopes of Acrocorinth, above the rebuilt Roman city of Corinth (2.4.5) and one at Copae in Boeotia
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:30AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Since Osiris was lord of the dead, the Apis then became known as the living deceased one. As he now represented Osiris, when the Apis bull reached the age of twenty-eight, the age when Osiris was said to have been killed by Set, symbolic of the lunar month, and the new moon, the bull was put to death with a great sacrificial ceremony.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:47AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The early Alexandrian Christian community appears to have been rather syncretic in their worship of Serapis and Jesus and would prostrate themselves without distinction between the two.[5] A letter inserted in the Augustan History, ascribed to the Emperor Hadrian, refers to the worship of Serapis by residents of Egypt who described themselves as Christians, and Christian worship by those claiming to worship Serapis, suggesting a great confusion of the cults and practices:
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:49AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I haven't had a chance to catch up on my reading. Christine is full of information. Much of it, I had come across before. I need to finish my reading before I can comment. What
little I ahve already read, needs no comment. The lady is good.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 1:07AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Apis was originally the Herald (wHm) of Ptah, the chief god in the area around Memphis. As a manifestation of Ptah, Apis also was considered to be a symbol of the pharaoh, embodying the qualities of kingship.The Apis was a god to be venerated for his excellent kindness and for his mercy towards all strangers. Apis was the most popular of the three great bull cults of ancient Egypt (the others being the bulls Mnewer and Bakha.) Unlike the cults of most of the other Egyptian deities, the worship of the Apis bull was continued by the Greeks and after them by the Romans, and lasted until almost 400 A.D.
Ceremonial burials of bulls indicate that ritual sacrifice was part of the worship of the early cow deities and a bull might represent a king who became a deity after death. He was entitled "the renewal of the life" of the Memphite god Ptah: but after death he became Osorapis, i.e. the Osiris Apis, just as dead humans were assimilated to Osiris, the king of the underworld. resurrected
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 1:08AM
DAVID JOHNSON
"The Apis is the calf of a cow which is never afterwards able to have another. The Egyptian belief is that a flash of light descends upon the cow from heaven, and this causes her to conceive Apis. The Apis-calf has distinctive marks: it is black, with a white square on its forehead, the image of an eagle on its back, the hair on its tail double, and a scarab under its tongue. Herodotus, Histories 3.28

Exodus 32:3,4 "And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

1 Kings 12:28-29 "Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan."
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 1:11AM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ Everyone (Adam...I highly suggest you pay attention...if you are still present)

I will explain:

#1. Alexander of Macedon was obsessed with occupying the office of Pharaoh; this could only be facilitated by your African Ancestors, the priesthood of God Amen in Ancient Egypt. He created a false legend around himself with the help of Uncle Tom, sell out members of the priesthood and presented himself as the occupier of that divine office, hence the images of himself as Pharaoh (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_short__to__drink__cheap__wine/3107355083/in/photostream/
) and as the 'Son of God' Amen, presented usually in the form of a ram (http://www.pharaohjunior.com/photos/All%20Egypt/imagepages/image134.htm),(Alexander as 'Son' of this African God Amen, http://s573.photobucket.com/albums/ss177/a...

Note of Importance: Alexander FAILED; he was never approved by the priesthood as he was a savage , this rejection of what he would've considered to be his greatest accomplishment caused him to succumb to profound depression; depression strong enough to kill, and it did as he drank himself to death while away from the Africans in Egypt whom had rejected him. His body being buried in Egypt caused the First War of the Diadochi, 322–320 BC. All of this because of a country, a culture, a civilization, a world view produced by your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt. No white professor would ever tell you these things, they would have to explain the actions of their Ancestors who tried to convince the world that we instead were the savages who waited for them to bring us civilization, and doctrines of ressurection, when it was our Ancestors who gave it to them. Tell your children these truths around the dinner table, show them the images so that they may know what truly happened. Show them what their Ancestors accomplished and what they bequeathed to the world, things of such value that the savages of what is now Europe felt they had to steal and stamp their face on. Now we will discuss how they did this. Remember....Alexander failed to be accepted by the priesthood...theirfore he was only an 'honorary' Pharaoh, a friendly gesture on behalf of the people of Ancient Egypt. To him this was failure and humiliating. Now comes the most important sentence I've written since this dialogue began. Where Alexander failed his succesor Ptolemy I. Soter (ie. Lagi) SUCCEEDED. This is the part of the story you must master to free your minds. Are your ready to continue? Do you want to know what happened. I'm not going to just tell you...I'm going to show you. I'm going to teach you things about the Bible only the best scholars know anything about, and they do not share these things with you because they feel you are all too stupid to participate in the discussion. However true that may be (or not) we are about to change all of that. Until your world view is set back to being right side up you are all going from the cradle to the grave living a lie. If that's what you wish for yourselves and for your future progeny let me know and I will stop here and now as there are other things and persons whom beckon my attention. If you wish to know how Christianity was truly brought about let me know and I will continue.

Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 3:23AM
Christine Govenor
The Africa God 'Amen' who was called 'the Father' of Alexander of Macedon.
http://www.pharaohjunior.com/photos/All%20...

Do you understand why white teachers will never teach this to your children or why they did not teach it to you? Mostly it''s because most of them do not know themselves. White skin is not synonymous with 'educated'.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 3:27AM
Christine Govenor
You are learning about the ground work of what caused the Bible to come into existence.....By the time we are done...should you want me to continue, you will be teaching the pastors....as I do.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 3:36AM
Christine Govenor
I will wait.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 3:37AM
Christine Govenor
Christine,

I am definitely following along. Last night I was trying to put the pieces together, Alexander being made Pharaoh at Memphis and the significance of his sacrifice to Apis. Trying to find the ancient sources - there seems to be some lack of agreement where he was made Pharaoh, though perhaps that is not the important point, after having read the above, that he failed. And in the course of it all, I found this (I told you I am uneducated on this subject) and went off on what I am sure is a related pursuit.

7. Gods, and the Fan-bearers and the Sacred Scribes and all the other priests from the temples throughout the land who have come to meet the king at Memphis, for the feast of the assumption

8. By Ptolemy, the ever-living, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, the kingship in which he succeeded his father, they being assembled in the temple in Memphis this day declared...

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/ros...

So many pieces to the puzzle. I am anxious to see how they all fit together.

Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 10:20AM
Adam Fate
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Thank you for the linkage to Brother Williams' site. I 've viewed part 1 and will viewe the others as well.
I agree with Brother Williams!

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http://theeyeofcain.blogspot.com/

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Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:16PM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
christine i am here
you got people on there toes and eager to go to the next level
i will be in and out today or following along on my i phone
again thank you for coming and sharing the knowledge
you are a true blessing !
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 12:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
EVERYONE IF YOU HAVE BEEN BLOCK FROM THIS BLOG IT IS ONLY TEMPORARY WE ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS PART WITH OUT CONFLICT SO EVERYONE CAN GET THE KNOWLEDGE PLEASE BEAR WITH US
THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN YOU WILL HAVE YOU QUESTIONS ANSWER OR TIME FOR DEBATE THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED IN THE HISTORY OF THIS WEBSITE SO PLEASE BE RESPECTABLE OR YOU WILL BE BLOCKED !
MY BLOG MY RULES ! THANK YOU
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 1:01PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I have a question. Are the likeneses of Alexander accurate? if so what about his curls and lips?
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:00PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
In 164-3 Ptolemais participated in the general hostility of the Syrian Greeks against the Jews ( 1 Macc. 5:15). Simon the Maccabee routed the Greeks up to its gates (ib. 22 ; Jos. Ant. 12:8:1, 12:8:2, 12:8:6). In 153 Alexander Balas took it from his rival Demetrius (1 Macc. 10:1 ; Ant. 13:2:1).

While it was in Alexander's hands Demetrius cleverly bribed the Jews by assigning it and its lands to the Jews 'for the expenses that befit the Sanctuary at Jerusalem' (1 Macc. 10:39). When Alexander defeated Demetrius he married Ptolemy s daughter at Ptolemais in 151- 150, and Jonathan the Maccabee met the two kings there and was greatly honoured by them (ib. 48-66 ; Ant. 13:41:69). It was at Ptolemais also that Jonathan in 143 by treachery fell into Trypho's hands (1 Macc. 12:45+ ; Jos. Ant. 13:6:2, BJ 1:2:1).

In 104 Alexander Jannaeus besieged Ptolemais (Ant. 13:12:2), but raised the siege out of fear of Ptolemy Lathurus (ib. 13:12:3), who in turn besieged (ib. 13:12:4) and took the town (ib. 13:12:6) ; which, however, soon after fell into the hands of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, his mother (Ant. 13:18:12). Soon after 70 it was taken by Tigranes of Armenia (ib. 13:16:4), and relinquished by him under fear of the Romans. The Ptolemaitans received Pacorus of Parthia (BJ 1:13:i).
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thomasena, were there coins minted near the time of his rule? I've seen the pictures of them Christina linked to but don't remember seeing any dates of their manufacture.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:18PM
Adam Fate
Adam, some of them were from coins minted during his life time and others were sculptures. All of the pictures I have seen he had curls.
When I was in Greece, the displays that I saw, all of the ancients had lips and curls. The statue of the Charioteer's hair was the straightest. His bangs had curls.
He did not have llips either. Even the paintings showed him with lips and curls. The statue of Zeus and Athena had curls and lips.
Another thing, the people I saw on the street were not white and had extremely curly hair, head and body. If you look at the ancients in Rome, they look whiter than the Greeks.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:51PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Thomasena, here's one link, #9905 is one depiction as Ammon.

http://www.museumsurplus.com/AlexanderCoin...


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:52PM
Adam Fate
Most of them seem to be of various deities, so are they really his likeness or taken from others?
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:56PM
Adam Fate
I'll catch up on reading tonight...
Hello Everyone....
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 2:57PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@ Everyone

I've just lost a $5 bet to one of my colleagues. I confess....I bet that none of you would have the stamina and fortiude to stay and follow and unfortunately .....YOURE ALL STILL HERE !!!! LOL!!!
He of course did a personality profile on each of you (just from reading your comments) and his conclusion is that you are all "starved genuises" who have simply been denied facts.
Therfore I am obligated to see this through to it's logical conclusion. My suggestion? Dig deep, stick around and get it while you can.
But I will say, there are two other colleagues of mine who feel as I do. That you will not stay the course. One of the debilitating deficits engendered by design is lack of abstract fortutude ie. the ability to think about what youre reading, see it in your minds eye, and appreciate all of it's implications. In other words critical thought is not a requiste faculty required of us on a regular basis....therefore when it is required of us...we are usally at a loss. I've never been more pleased to lose a bet (smile). Please continue to prove me wrong by the mainstay of your presence. I will get you to ground zero as quickly as i possibly can but I must prepare your minds as we go. Everything that I tell you and show you will be verifiable at a moments notice with a click of your mouse. You need not take my word for ANYTHING. Unlike the Spiritual parasites amongst us i do not require you to BELIEVE anyhing. Freshman get tired of being freshman, eventually they strive for sophmore. Likewise, 'believers', if they have a modicum of God given intelligence want to move from a state of 'believeing' to one of 'knowing'. You can't be children forever. It was never meant to be that way though others have tried to make it so.
I envy you all as I was not as fortunate to get it this way. There was much expense and sacrifice. Now we continue: This is the most important name you will ever learn (as my colleagues say...I say that all the time, but it is true. If I say that about a name....you can take it to the bank or your pastor, makes no difference to me, the fact remains that that name has impacted your life in ways you couldn't begin to imagine). We've mastered the relevant aspects of Alexander as it relates to his relationship, purposes and outcome as regards Ancinet Egypt, the land of the Black people. We have established that it was there in Ancient Egypt where the Greeks came in an effort to wrestle civilization away from the Africans of Egypt, with Alexander seeking the most efective way to bring this about; BY CHANGING THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THE EYES OF THE BLACK PEOPLE OF ANCIENT EGYPT BY INSERTING HIS OWN IMAGE INTO THEIR PANTHEON, THE IMAGE OF A WHITE SAVAGE WHO HAD ONLY JUST PREVIOUSLY STOPPED WORSHIPPING FIRE AND DRINKING THE BLOOD OF THEIR ENEMIES FROM THEIR HELMUT'S IN TIMES OF WAR.
LestI remind you:


"In Napoleon's day historians knew almost nothing about Egypt--past or present. It was a land the world had all but forgotten. and yet once, long before the birth of Christ, EGPYT had been the most famous and POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
At a time in history when the ancestors of western man STILL LIVED AS SEMI-SAVAGES IN THE DENSE FORESTS OF ENGLAND AND EUROPE, a great civilization had existed along the banks of the river Nile."


Elizabeth Payne,
The Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt


"After the Greeks (and thus the Romans) were CIVILIZED BY THE AFRICANS IN EGYPT most of what we now know as 'Europe' was still barbaric, and unheard of.
There was really NO EUROPE in ancient times......and Europe as we know it was divided by the Rhine-Danube frontier, south and west of which lay the civilized provinces of the empire, and north and east the ''BARBARIANS' of whom the civilized world KNEW ALMOST NOTHING"

A HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD
R.R. Palmer (Prof. Yale University)
and Joel Colton (Prof. of History at Duke University)
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 4:14PM
Christine Govenor
I FORBID YOU TO FORGET THIS NAME...EVERYTHING ELSE DEPENDS ON IT:


PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI)



This is the man who DESTROYED you black people. This is the man who removed you from your pedestal of world adulation. This is the man who succeded where Alexander failed. This is the man responsible for your black children not knowing who they are. Before we go on, ASK YOURSELVES WHY YOU WERE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT HIM. They taught you about Columbus and Jesus didnt they? They taught you about Washington and Lincoln didnt they. You now recieve high tech slave education and think you are being taught something of true value? If it is true that there is no greater service one can render than telling someone the truth then it is equally true by the very nature of the equation that there is no greater evil than intellectually incarcerating the mind of whole planet in falshood out of expediency. Ignorance is a disease of the mind and I can assure you it is highly contagious. In point of fact our communities (families, housholds, religious institutions etc) suffer from a pandemic of it. This is the source of all of your ills; not the economics of money but the economics of IDENTITY in which we go from the cradle to the grave clutching a deficit not of or own making (at least not in it's entirety). There were traitors amongst us in Ancient Egypt. If you do not know their story please for Gods sake and for your childrens sake stop pretending you know something about Christianity when in fact....you know absolutely nothing whatsoever. It is not your fault....it was designed that way. Now I teach you how to fight back and reclaim your minds....and your Souls. They are yours given to you by your creatress/creator never to be given to anyone else. And you wonder how you are used as an entire people to serve the interest of others? Are you serious? I am a hard task master because ignorance is stubborn and will seek it's place in our presence....but I will have it blocked at a moments notice with no second warning. Capish'? Capish (smile). You must learn to be as dogmatic as concerns Truth and Knowledge, as they are as concerns their 'Beliefs' and 'Truths' proven to be definitively Falsehoods.

PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI) Look him up...learn everything you can about him....it is he who is your eternal tormentor. He is your Freddy, your Jason, your Hitler (Spiritually and otherwise). He is the 'Father' of all of your unwitting 'Negro pastors' who suffer from 'callings' in the cotton patch 'believing' they are hearing the voice of God in the person of Jesus when in fact IT IS THE VOICE OF PTOLEMY I. SOTER (LAGI). Learn of him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_I_Sot...

Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 4:49PM
Christine Govenor
What About Ptolemy concerns us?


1. His title 'Soter' means 'SAVIOUR'.

a. Who can give me the definition of 'Soteriology'?


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 4:52PM
Christine Govenor
I'll wait.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 4:57PM
Christine Govenor
'Soteriology'; is the study of religious doctrines of salvation, which are a feature of various religion
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Now put your thinking caps on.....excellent David


SOTERiology |səˌti(ə)rēˈäləjē|
noun Theology
THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION.

DERIVATIVES
soteriological |-ēəˈläjikəl| adjective
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from Greek sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy .


New Oxford American Dictionary
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:27PM
Christine Govenor
PTOLEMY I. SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER SOTER FIGURE IT OUT GENUISES
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:28PM
Christine Govenor
Here let e help:

PTOLEMY I. SOTER

SOTERiology |səˌti(ə)rēˈäləjē|
noun Theology
THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION.

DERIVATIVES
soteriological |-ēəˈläjikəl| adjective
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from Greek sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy .


New Oxford American Dictionary
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:30PM
Christine Govenor
i dont get it
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Definition:
theology of salvation: the doctrine of salvation, especially the Christian doctrine of salvation through Jesus Christ

Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 6:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The same word the early Christians used for the sign of the fish, ichthus.
Jesus Christ Son of God Savior
iasous christos theou huios soter (transliterated)
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 7:13PM
Adam Fate
well dam adam i hope your right lol there is something in soter sōtēria ‘salvation’ + -logy . i cnt get it
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 7:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I believe Christine wants us to focus on the word itself, as used in reference to Ptolemy I Soter.

I could have been more explicit in my explanation. Here is from Wikipedia.

Ichthys (more commonly spelt Ichthus, or sometimes Ikhthus, from Greek: ἰχθύς, capitalized ΙΧΘΥΣ or ΙΧΘΥC) is the ancient and classical Greek word for "fish". In English it refers to a symbol consisting of two intersecting arcs, the ends of the right side extending beyond the meeting point so as to resemble the profile of a fish, used by Early Christians as a secret symbol[1] and now known colloquially as the "sign of the fish" or the "Jesus fish."[2]

Ichthys can be read as an acrostic, a word formed from the first letters of several words. It compiles to "Jesus Christ, God's son, savior," in ancient Greek "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ", Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr.

* Iota (i) is the first letter of Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς), Greek for "Jesus".
* Chi (ch) is the first letter of Christos (Χριστός), Greek for "anointed".
* Theta (th) is the first letter of Theou (Θεοῦ), Greek for "God's", the genitive case of Θεóς, Theos, Greek for "God".
* Upsilon (u) is the first letter of huios (Υἱός), Greek for "Son".
* Sigma (s) is the first letter of sōtēr (Σωτήρ), Greek for "Savior".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

Ptolemy I Soter
Jesus Christ Soter


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 8:59PM
Adam Fate
interesting Steve/Adam/??
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 9:16PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
"Jesus Christ, God's son, savior," in ancient Greek "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ", Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr."



Only problem here is Ptolemy as 'SAVIOUR' lived almost 400 years before the common era (C.E) and almost a thousand years before the beginning of Chritianity (Christianity officially begins 1 November, 451 AD, at the close of the ecumenical Council of Chalcedon, a city of Bithynia and nowhere on earth before that date....though the term itself is incarnated further back into time in lietrature by Christian apologists, much the way Jews do the same thing) ..whilst the term 'SOTER' ie. 'SAVIOR' was applied to him ,PTOLEMY I. SOTER, in HISTORY, whereas the term is applied to 'Jesus' in RELIGIOUS TRADITION ONLY; almost a THOUSAND YEARS before the term is finally applied to the fictitous 'Jesus'. If Jesus was the Son of God...why would he need a 'hand me down' title such as 'Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr'?


This is what we are here to uncover. Let us start with Soter and examine why and how he came to be known as Savior. Miss this part....and you miss it all.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 9:30PM
Christine Govenor
'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR'
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 9:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Alexander failed...Soter (the SAVIOUR) .....SUCCEEDED. Before we continue who can tell me what Alexander's goal was when he came to Egypt? We discussed it at length above. I want to know who's paying attention. Students without formiddable memories are not 'students' they are individuals gawking at words on a page. Now....What was Alexander's goal when he arrived in Egypt Who did he seek out and for what purpose? As I said ...we all ready discussed it...at length.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 9:36PM
Christine Govenor
SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' 'SAVIOUR' .....Yes David...now we will discuss the implications of the fact that that title belonged to an actual human being who lived as reflected by the historical record as opposed to the 'ficticious...incarnated' Biblical character .....Jesus the Christ. There is a contradistinction being made here. One of these individuals actually lived whereas the other can be found ONLY IN RELIGIOUS TRADITION, NOT HISTORY. During the dumbing down process of the last 30- 25 years religious conservatives on the right who often participate in prescribing the content of academic curricula have successfully sought to insert 'RELIGIOUS TRADITION' into 'HISTORICAL TEXTS' so as to blur the line between the two. it is a subtle form of mind control. If you open up a history book and find Jesus in there you will take it as a foregone conclusion that he existed....why not? He's in the history books correct? Years ago you would never have found 'Jesus' in a history book because it was understood that that part of the article of faith of Christianity was not only whether or not Jesus was God (or the 'Son of') but whether or not he existed AT ALL. What conservative white Christians on the right have done is they have discarded this particular article of 'FAITH' so that unsuspecting minds would take his historical existence as aforegone conclusion.....which it cannot be once the facts are brought to bear. Hence...the facts are made 'not part of the curriculum' so you and your progeny are left dumb, deaf, blind and out of the loop....ie. a 'believer'. You must 'believe' ....because you don't 'know' sh*t. Period. We are here to return that part of your brain which was excised in a political lobotomies administered in Churches 1st and schools 2ndly...why? Because that is how we are indoctrinated .....from childhood. Let the most uneducated person in the room (ie. the Pastor) answer all of the big questions about life, the existential stuff like "Who are we? How did we get here? Who made all this? So that by the time you make it to head start or nursery school those parts of the brain that cannot relinquish what they retain at such an early age are hooked, 'book line and stinker' on stories they know absolutely nothing about. Welcome to your life. And you thought the 'Matrix' was just a movie...what a joke.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 10:00PM
Christine Govenor
Ptolemy I 'Soter' is in our sights....do not let him out. I am about to tell you what this savage, mutated, crackkah did to our people, and you are then going to find out why your minds are so messed up. After I eat (smile). All of you Pastors, Apostles, Bishops, and Prophetesses who are reading this.....Smile. Party's over. Mommies home.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 10:05PM
Christine Govenor
Well Pausanias says Soter came from the fact that Ptolemy sent aid to Rhodes around 305-304. But I have found at least one dispute of that, given that Pausanias was writing 400 years after the fact. Still looking.

As to what did Ptolemy do that was the same thing Alexander tried to do, I am currently here:

Serapis (Latin spelling) or Sarapis (Ancient Greek: Σάραπις) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. His most renowned temple was the Serapeum of Alexandria.[1] Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 10:17PM
Adam Fate
Pausanias

[1.8.6] Before the entrance of the theater which they call the Odeum (Music Hall) are statues of Egyptian kings. They are all alike called Ptolemy, but each has his own surname. For they call one Philometor, and another Philadelphus, while the son of Lagus is called Soter, a name given him by the Rhodians. Of these, Philadelphus is he whom I have mentioned before among the eponymoi, and near him is a statue of his sister Arsinoe.


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 10:42PM
Adam Fate
Diodorus Siculus, Book 20

100 In this way, then, the Rhodians, after they had been besieged for a year, brought the war to an end. Those who had proved themselves brave men in the battles they honoured with the prizes that were their due, and they granted freedom and citizenship to such slaves as had shown themselves courageous. 2 They also set up statues of King Cassander and King Lysimachus, who though they held second place in general opinion, yet had made great contributions to the salvation of the city. 3 In the case of Ptolemy, since they wanted to surpass his record by repaying his kindness with a greater one, they sent a sacred mission into Libya to ask the oracle at ammon if it advised the Rhodians to honour Ptolemy as a god. 4 Since the oracle approved, they dedicated in the city a square precinct, building on each of its sides a portico a stade long, and this they called the Ptolemaeum. They also rebuilt the theatre, the fallen portions of the walls, and the buildings that had been destroyed in the other quarters in a manner more beautiful than before.


Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 11:00PM
Adam Fate
Adam....youre good (smile). A level of responsibility rarely shown in savages. Your apparent lack of ego is also a weapon many would do well to emulate. You are here for the answers irrespective of how I address you. You should have stormed off in resentment and anger by now as lesser minds would have ie the Christians and the Muslims amongst my people, those who's minds are most conaminated by the poison of your distant Ancestors. You may be quite surprised that I have white friends who are dear to me, yet I speak no differently in their presence. Out of their respect and love for me, we are now and always...friends. Just thought I would share that with you. Adam...never befriend a Black person who only tells you only what you want to hear, they have either no self respect as an African, or they are out to get you by deceit, an act for which I would not blame them as I completely condone such duplicitous behaviour as we have been the recipients of it for two milliennia. Touche', youre continued presence has EARNED your place here. Saint Jake would do well to observe such tenacity. he will...in time.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 11:32PM
Christine Govenor
Adam...you are unblocked from my page.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 11:34PM
Christine Govenor
When my mealis done....at 1 Am I will elucidate on what you have just posited Adam...I highly suggest everyone read what Adam posted. Particularly:



"Serapis (Latin spelling) or Sarapis (Ancient Greek: Σάραπις) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. His most renowned temple was the Serapeum of Alexandria.[1] Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)."


I gues you folks really don't know what kind of 'Spiritual toys' youre playing with every Sunday in church. Read the above quote posted by Adam....until you inderstand it. See you at 1Am. You get the beginning of the 'meat'.
Wednesday, November 3rd 2010 at 11:40PM
Christine Govenor
Soter
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Soter derives from the Greek epithet σωτήρ (sōtēr), meaning a saviour, a deliverer; initial capitalised Σωτήρ; fully capitalised ΣΩΤΗΡ; feminine Soteira (Σώτειρα). Soter has been used as:
as a title of Gods: Poseidon Soter, Zeus Soter, Athena Soteira and Hecate Soteira.
any heroized leaders of Hellenistic dynasties, see hero cult:
Ptolemy I Soter
Antiochus I Soter
Demetrius I Soter
Rabbel II Soter
Attalus I
Seleucus III Ceraunus
Ptolemy IX
Diodotus I
Strato II
Strato I
Menander I
as a title of liberators (see also eleutherios)
a title of Jesus of Nazareth, most particularly in the fish acronym
Saint Soter, Pope and Martyr
[edit]Soter as a distinct mythological figure

Greek name Transliteration Latin Spelling Translation
Σωτήρ Sôtêr Soter Deliverance, Safety, Preservation
In Greek mythology, Soter was the spirit (daimon) of safety, preservation and deliverance from harm[1]. He was said to be the brother and husband of Praxidike and by her the father of Ktesios, Arete and Homonoia[2]. (Note that both Soter and Ktesios were also cult titles of Zeus). Another source says that Soter was the husband of Peitharchia and father of Eupraxia.[3]
In the Orphic Hymns[4] Praxidike was identified with Persephone, Soter with Zeus, and their daughters Praxidikai with the Erinyes.
Soteria (Σωτηρία), personification of the abstract concept of safety and salvation, was also worshipped by the Greeks. She had a sanctuary in Patrae, which was believed to have been founded by Eurypylos of Thessaly[5].
[edit]See also

Hellenistic religion
Soteria (festival)
Soteriology, the study of salvation; in Christian contexts, the branch of Christology dealing with Jesus' capacity as Saviour of humankind
[edit]References

^ Theoi Project - Soter
^ Suidas s. v. Praxidike
^ Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes 223 ff
^ Orphic Hymn 29 to Persephone
^ Pausanias, Description of Greece, 7. 19. 7; 7. 21. 7; 7. 24. 3

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Notice the part where it says "a title of Jesus of Nazareth"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soter


Ask your Pastors if they still refer to him as SOTER and when the idiot doesnt answer (because he can't)....ask him which SOTER because you've all been duey eyed over just one of them (.....SOTER ***"a title of Jesus of Nazareth"').
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 2:49AM
Christine Govenor
This is the most important thing you've read thus far....if you want to understand how your religion came into being:

"Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)."

This is how you remain un-educated with respect to the historical record. They tell you 'WHAT' happened and 'WHY'.....they don't tell you 'HOW' it happened. That's what I'm here for and that's what you need to know.

***************************************************

To accomplish his goals, Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOR), a white savage, as was his predecessor Alexander of Macedon, requested of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors) that they:

1.confer upon him the highest office of the land (Ancient Egypt, Africa), the office of Pharaoh (Just as the white savage Alexander had requested), and....

2.That they MAKE OF HIS IMAGE A GOD. Look upon his face, the face of the one called 'SAVIOUR', the one attributed with having the power to RESURRECT ALL who believed upon him, this white savage....look at his face: http://urlm.in/fzuk


HOW THEY DID IT:

Ptolemy I. SOTER ('SAVIOUR') was rejected by the main body of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors). They only chose from amongst their own African kind as under normal circumstances the office of Pharaoh was an hereditary office and bloodline needed to be acknowledged. Neither Alexander nor Ptolemy I SOTER were Aficans therefore their blood did not qualify, they were white savages in the eyes of the Ancient Egyptians (your African Ancestors). Any one of your Black sons could have qualified for that office simply based on the fact that they are Black. Even some of your daughters if they were found to be exceptional could occupy the office of Pharaoh as a number did as is reflected in the historical record (Hatshepsut and Twosret being just two of them.....look em up. You don't have to 'believe' in them, these black women who ruled as the 'Sa Ra' ie. 'The Son of God' on earth actually EXISTED, thousands of years before the Greeks and the Romans tried to co-opt and plagiarize this aspect of African history, Black culture and civilization. IT'S IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD, LOOK UP THEIR NAMES!!! Your daughters know who Beyonce is , who Janet Jackson is ...they even know who Michelle Obama is....yet all three of these women combined, Oprah included....WERE NOT AS POWERFUL AS THESE BLACK AFRIKAN WOMAN....WHO RULED ON THIS PLANET AS PHARAOHS, SUPREME RULERS OF THE THEN KNOWN WORLD, AND THEY RULED AS THE SA'RA (ie. 'THE SON OF GOD') THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE 'JESUS' WAS EVEN A THOUGHT IN THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO MANUFACTURED HIM. WHY HAVE YOU NOT TAUGHT YOUR DAUGHTERS OF THESE BLACK WOMEN? BECAUE YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ANCESTORS AND HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO WORSHIPPING THE FICTICIOUS ANCESTORS OF OTHERS).
The white savage Ptolemy I SOTER was successful at finding some disaffected Priests from amongst the priesthood and they aquiesced to his request by going into the Ancient Egyptian pantheon of dieties and they chose two aspects of the Ancient Egyptian expression of God most dearest to the native population (the indigenous black people of Ancient Egypt). The history books give you a false reason for Ptolemy wanting to have his IMAGE made into a God. The true reason was RACISM....WHITE SUPREMACY. This is the only thing the Greeks brought with them to Africa. The Greek inhabitants who flooded Ancient Egypt along with Alexander's arrival loved everything Egyptian EXCEPT FOR THE EGYPTIANS!!! Not because the egyptians were Black, but because they the Greeks were mostly halfbreeds, mullattos and whites and by the very miscegenation of their blood they were from the outset disenfranchised from ever legitimately being ....an Ancient Egyptian (the status quo ofthe time culturally speaking). Many of the half breeds amongst the Greek population were partially related to the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt as it was the black side of their Nile Valley Ancestry that actually founded much of Greece in the first place. Hence their feelings towards a people they felt 'outcasted' from was no less resentful from their more Northern white Macedonian cousins with whom together they both comprised the populace of Greece. Pay atention geniuses:



"....authorities give the name 'Cecrops' to the Pharoah who is supposed to have been the first to lead a colony from Egypt to Greece..."

"In Jeromes reading of the Armenian Chronicle, it is said of this Pharoah Thothmes IV., that after he had reigned five years in Egypt, he was driven from the throne by his brother 'Egyptus' and fled to Greece, where he founded the city of Argos, and reigned over the Argives under the name of Danaus.

Cory's 'Ancient Fragments' p. 119





"The Greek legends are illuminated by a particularly bright light when projected against the chronological table of Egyptian history. Indeed, the XVIIIth Dynasty was contemporaneous with Mycenaen Greece; even ATHENS WAS FOUNDED BY A COLONY OF BLACK EGYPTIANS led by Cecrops, who INTRODUCED agriculture and metellurgy to CONTINENTAL GREECE around the sixteenth century B.C., according to Greek Tradition itself."



CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.4)




"Erechtheus, who unified Attica, also came from Egypt, according to Diodorus of Sicily, while the Egyptian Danaus founded at Argos THE FIRST ROYAL DYNASTY IN GREECE. It was the same time that the Phoenician Cadmus, an Egyptian subject founded the city of Thebes in Boetia and the royalty of that country. Finally, Orpheus, the mythic ancestor of the Hellenic race , became initiated into the Egyptian mysteries, during the same Mycenaean epoch. Therefore no wonder that on the Mycenaean tablets in Linear B, one should read the name of Dionysus in the genitive: Dionysus as we know, is none other than a replica of Osiris in Greece and the northern Mediterranean in general. thus his arrival, in other words the introduction of Egyptian religion in Greece, is much more Ancient than Herodotus believed it to be.; so many underscore the preponderance of Egyptian influence at the birth of the Greek world, the ages of heroes."


CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.5)



"Although the Greeks held the EGYPTIAN CULTURE in reverence, and were FASCINATED by the 'sacred mysteries' and 'DIVINE ORACLES' of the 'LAND OF WONDERS', THEY NEVERTHELESS HELD THE EGYPTIANS IN CONTEMPT. PAPYRI FOUND PRINTED IN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PHONETIC ALPHABET SUITED TO THE GREEK LANGUAGE (erroneously called 'Greek') clearly reflect a DISDAIN FOR THE EGYPTIANS."


I posted these passages to give you all an idea of the general attitudes of the times. The Greeks were jealous and envious of the Blacks in Ancient Egypt and the blacks of Ancient Egypt hated the mostly white savage occupiers of their land in Mother Africa. Your problem people is that you don't know your own story.....but you're obsessed with fairytales furnished you by the descendants of savages. I'm going to teach you but I'm going to admonish you at the same time, because you deserve to be.



Here comes a kicker:


The reason the white savage Ptolemy I Soter wanted to have HIS IMAGE made into a God was because the black natives of Ancient Egypt were Africans no different from black Africans in any other part of the continent TODAY. Therefore the basis of their 'religion' was Ancestralism...therefore God had to be represented, in their black minds as the greatest of their BLACK ANCESTORS. And he was presented that way . God, to the indigenous black African masses of Ancient Egypt (your Ancestors), was known in their own African tongue as 'ASARU' (ie. 'AUSAR' later to be called 'OSIRIS' by the white savage Greeks). Because GOD OSIRIS was considered by the Black people of Ancient Egypt to be the greatest of their ANCESTORS it was only natural that he LOOK LIKE THEM IN APPEARANCE, therefore unlike you 'identity- lobotomized' Jesus Victims, your Ancestors back in Africa, in Ancient Egypt, worshipped God in the Image of themselves....as a BLACK MAN, as their Ancestors were of course....BLACK PEOPLE, WHO LOOKED NOT UNLIKE YOURSELVES.
Oh...ok...you want PROOF right? Okie dokie (smile). Proof is what I do:



"Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"


CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108







"Osiris was beautiful of face, but with a dull and BLACK complexion;"


Dictionary of the Sacred Languages of All Scriptures and Myths, Part 2 (publ. 1926)

By G. A. Gaskell
Bryant and Stratton Business College (President)
Manchester,N. H.,




"There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race...MY OWN conjectures were founded first in the FACT that they are BLACK SKINNED and have WOOLY HAIR...."


Herodotus Book 2 Chap.104 (450BCE)






"The English and African attitudes to history are DIFFERENT. The English man is not interested in history; he prefers to forget it, to let bygones be bygones and to let sleeping dogs lie. BUT THE AFRICAN TAKES HIS HISTORY VERY SERIOUSLY; even more seriously than the Irishman. HE MUST, BECAUSE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS RELIGION IS THE CULT OF HIS ANCESTRAL SPIRITS - something more than reverence, perhaps not quite as much as worship."

'My Africa'
W.E. Ward (After living among the people of the Gold Coast and learning their ways for 16 years)







God Osiris....the Ancestral God of your Black Ancestors in Ancient Egypt 1.
http://pavementsofsilver.files.wordpress.c...

God Osiris....the Ancestral God of your Black Ancestors in Ancient Egypt 2
http://heritage-key.com/egypt/wooden-statu...





Now do you understand why the white savage Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) had to change THE IMAGE OF GOD TO THAT OF A WHITE SAVAGE?


The Egyptians rejected them .....detested these white savages. Black people make me laugh considerably when they say "some militant black leader is trying to start a race war". They are idiots of a rare breed. ATTENTION BLACK PEOPLE!!! NOW HEAR THIS!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN IN A RACE WAR FOR WELL OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY KNOWS IT BUT YOUR DUMB ASS. IT STARTED IN ANCIENT EGYPT AND IT CONTINUES UNABATED TO THIS VERY MOMENT (fyi, just thought you should know...smile):

"With their country occupied and the forced influx of hated foreigners, the very proud Egyptians naturally rejected the Greeks and their cronies. There was an anti Greek feeling among the Egyptians. There is evidence that they rebelled frequently, resentful of the fact that they were treated as a conquered people. PROPHETIC WRITINGS WERE WIDELY CIRCULATED AMONGST THE EGYPTIANS, PROMISING THE EXPULSION OF THE FOREIGNERS. MANY EGYPTIANS LEFT FOR SAFER GROUNDS FURTHER SOUTH. Even though many records have been destroyed and / or were one-sided Greek propaganda, some indication of the rejection still survive. This depopulation and arms struggle are confirmed in different sources, including the writings of Strabo and others."


The preservation of the native Egyptian traditions of kingship by the NATIVE EGYPTIANS was expressed in a very lively Demotic literary tradition that was pervasive OUTSIDE ALEXANDRIA. The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period. It was a popular 'nationalist' piece of literature, containing romantic tales of EARLIER PHARAOHS, which CLEARLY emphasizes the PRE-PTOLEMAIC NATIVE TRADITION.



Yes black people ...you had newspapers in Ancient Egypt "The most well known was the DEMOTIC CHRONICLE, which was composed,compiled and circulated since the early Ptolemaic period." Though these particular Chronicles spoke to the previous Persian rule just prior to the Greeks it still speaks to the Black African Natives of Ancient Egypt fighting desperately for the land, their history, and their African culture and IDENTITY!!! Ancient Egypt was the FIRST SOUTH AFRICA, the first Palestine.....inhabitants of their homelands fighting off settlers, invaders, white savages....no different from the Native American. You mental midgets have been sold a bill of goods and are being sold a bill of goods in church every Sunday and on Easter every year with Jewish Hollywood inundating you with Charlton Heston and the '10 Commandments' (I can't talk...that was my favorite movie as a child....what do you think got me interested in all this in the first place....lol!!!). Imagine my surprise when I started studying the ancient world seriously and found out it was .....JUST A MOVIE. Picture that...Hollywood told a story that wasn't true...now they wouldn't do that...would they? Now they wouldn't do that....really? OF COURSE THEY WOULD...THAT'S WHAT THEY DO GENIUSES!!!




"THE KINDEST RACE of the ancient world WAS THAT OF THE EGYPTIANS; and if we direct our course to the Nile Valley of 3 or 4000 yrs ago,we shall find CONDITIONS THERE SO HUMANE that instances of Pharaonic cruelty such as we have been shown in some recent film dramas will be seen at once to reflect THE MENTALITY OF THE PRODUCER AND NOT THAT OF THE PEOPLE he thought to portray...the Egyptians WERE SELDOM CONCIOUSLY CRUEL; they DID NOT GRIND MEN TO PULP UNDER THE WHEELS OF THEIR JUGGERNAUGHTS, they DID NOT lash their laboring serfs, they DID NOT torture people,they DID NOT calously inflict death upon anybody-in fact THEY NEVER DID ANY OF THE THINGS of this sort which the film producers are at such pains to present to us."


Sir Arthur Weigall (English Egyptologist)
FLIGHTS INTO ANTIQUITY - p.58
Hutchinson&Co., London, 1928


When someone sets out to malign your Ancestors....ask why?




"It was not so long ago, however, that the combined influence of the Bible and Classical tradition CONSPIRED to produce a rather incoherent view of Egyptian civilization..."

'Histoire de l'Egyptye ancienne (A History of Ancient Egypt), translation by Ian Shaw, 1992



Ptolemy I. Soter needed an alibi in history. The historians told you that he needed to make a new God because the Greeks didn't like to worship animal headed figures:"Nevertheless, the Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek statue was chosen as the idol".

That is what is known as an historical Alibi. The Greeks envied the Ancient Egyptians for being black, and their egos (as well as the ego of their savage white leader Ptolemy I SOTER) would not let them worship God in the image of a BLACK MAN (ie. Osiris = "Egypt B.C.E. 1350...Osiris was sun-rayed; HIS COMPLEXION WAS BLACK AND HIS HAIR WAS WOOLY. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course, escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles;some of his doctrines appear in the THE BOOK OF THE DEAD;..he was crucified on the vernal equinox; he descended to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven"


CAMBRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA pp.107-108),

so they made the Blacks instead worship the image of a white savage.....Ptolemy I. SOTER, in the form of Serapis: " a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis. It was named 'Aser-hapi' (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force)." Now for the first time in over 5000 YEARS the BLACK GOD OSIRIS WAS NOW A WHITE MAN.



The disloyal African Ancient Egyptian priests sympathetic to their own survival capitulated to Soter's wishes and took from the Native pantheon of Egyptian dieties (the divine triad of Isis the Mother, Osiris the Father, and Horus the child ie. the Black family, this was the first holy trinity), those two aspects of the one personage of God most revered by the black masses of Ancient Egypt....'God Osiris' and his other expression as the 'Apis Bull' (both strong ancient symbols of RESURRECTION in the minds, hearts and Souls of your Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, as it was they who introduced the concept of 'resurrection' to humanity) ....and syncretized these two aspects of Osiris' nature and incarnated into the world one Asar-Apis, a new deity comprised of two very ancient aspects of the most ancient and revered God in Ancient Egypt (in Africa) and that was ....God Osiris, clothed now for the first time as a Statue in the image and form of 'Ser-apis', ie. the savage white
Despotic Ptolemaic successor to Alexander of Macedon....Ptolemy I. SOTER.


Next up: BEEF BETWEEN THE PRIESTS.

Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 7:29AM
Christine Govenor
Boy it sure got quiet in here. Thought y'all wanted to know what brought Christianity and the Bible into being. Well guess what? All of this HISTORY you need to know so that when we get to the items you are familiar with EVERYTHINHG will make sense. You see, you had to know all of this history to understand the one thing that never lies.....MOTIVE.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 7:33AM
Christine Govenor
i just got in i will be back im sure people are trying to take this in
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 10:41AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I just got on too, had to catch up on some sleep.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 10:59AM
Adam Fate
Christine,

I'm still reading what you gave us last night, but that link to the image of Serapis blew me away. I just had to repost the explanation I found under the image:

http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObj...


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 11:38AM
Adam Fate
I have heard of it...and if I recall correctly Dr. Williams stated that the Impressionists initiated the change of the black folk image when Michelangelo and the rest of the artists began to paint their works outdoors...
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 12:25PM
Siebra Muhammad
Okay, you've got my mind going in a number of directions. We've been talking about the Greeks and Macedonians, and there were parallel developments going on in Palestine and Mesopotamia right. I take it as a given that civilization arose in Ethiopia, the scientific evidence points to that, Ardipithecus Ramidus being the latest find. So I see the Israelites coming out of Egypt in the scientific sense, and the Old testament lacks historical corroboration until the Babylonian captivity, and is basically a justification written (synthesized) after the fact, i.e. after the captivity. Same with the New Testament. Jesus (as a figure) is not corroborated in historical writings, except a reference in Josephus, which could be a later insertion. And even by Christian reckoning, Jesus wrote nothing himself, the earliest writings said to be no earlier than 40 years after his life, by unknown authors, and those not agreeing with each other. Nor does the Old Testament agree with itself for that matter.

I know you will get us there. What's the next assignment?
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 12:53PM
Adam Fate
I REALLY LIKE THIS FACT
YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ANCESTORS AND HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO WORSHIPPING THE FICTICIOUS ANCESTORS OF OTHERS).
The white savage Ptolemy I SOTER was successful at finding some disaffected Priests from amongst the priesthood and they aquiesced to his request by going into the Ancient Egyptian pantheon of dieties and they chose two aspects of the Ancient Egyptian expression of God most dearest to the native population (the indigenous black people of Ancient Egypt). The history books give you a false reason for Ptolemy wanting to have his IMAGE made into a God. The true reason was RACISM....WHITE SUPREMACY. This is the only thing the Greeks brought with them to Africa. The Greek inhabitants who flooded Ancient Egypt along with Alexander's arrival loved everything Egyptian EXCEPT FOR THE EGYPTIANS!!! Not because the egyptians were Black, but because they the Greeks were mostly halfbreeds, mullattos and whites and by the very miscegenation of their blood they were from the outset disenfranchised from ever legitimately being ....an Ancient Egyptian (the status quo ofthe time culturally speaking). Many of the half breeds amongst the Greek population were partially related to the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt as it was the black side of their Nile Valley Ancestry that actually founded much of Greece in the first place. Hence their feelings towards a people they felt 'outcasted' from was no less resentful from their more Northern white Macedonian cousins with whom together they both comprised the populace of Greece. Pay atention geniuses:
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 2:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"The Greek legends are illuminated by a particularly bright light when projected against the chronological table of Egyptian history. Indeed, the XVIIIth Dynasty was contemporaneous with Mycenaen Greece; even ATHENS WAS FOUNDED BY A COLONY OF BLACK EGYPTIANS led by Cecrops, who INTRODUCED agriculture and metellurgy to CONTINENTAL GREECE around the sixteenth century B.C., according to Greek Tradition itself."



CIVILIZATION OR BARBARISM:
AN AUTHENTIC ANTHROPOLOGY (Chapt.1, p.92, para.4)


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 2:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
BUT THE AFRICAN TAKES HIS HISTORY VERY SERIOUSLY; even more seriously than the Irishman. HE MUST, BECAUSE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HIS RELIGION IS THE CULT OF HIS ANCESTRAL SPIRITS - something more than reverence, perhaps not quite as much as worship."
The disloyal African Ancient Egyptian priests sympathetic to their own survival capitulated to Soter's wishes and took from the Native pantheon of Egyptian dieties (the divine triad of Isis the Mother, Osiris the Father, and Horus the child ie. the Black family, this was the first holy trinity), those two aspects of the one personage of God most revered by the black masses of Ancient Egypt....'God Osiris' and his other expression as the 'Apis Bull' (both strong ancient symbols of RESURRECTION in the minds, hearts and Souls of your Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, as it was they who introduced the concept of 'resurrection' to humanity) ....and syncretized these two aspects of Osiris' nature and incarnated into the world one Asar-Apis, a new deity comprised of two very ancient aspects of the most ancient and revered God in Ancient Egypt (in Africa) and that was ....God Osiris, clothed now for the first time as a Statue in the image and form of 'Ser-apis', ie. the savage white
Despotic Ptolemaic successor to Alexander of Macedon....Ptolemy I. SOTER.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 2:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
D mann you need to do something with this blog.... I have to use my scroll bars to get from one side to another...
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 2:52PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Queen Cynthia I have fixed the parameters of the blog by deleting to of my posts above that contained excessive links. I will repost them here with shortened links. Anyone reading this particular post should appreciate that these are previous posts addressing closely reated, germane issues to the subject at hand. They are only being reposted so that ALL of the information presented is available. For that reason this post will appear to be somewhat out of place as concerns the juncture we've reached in our instruction; simply take solace in the fact that the information is still available. When I am gone, much will leave with me so I am making every effort at great personal sacrifice to bring you this information, so that NOTHING leaves with me:

Reposted:


Excellent David


So here we have the the Greatest savage of antiquity entering Africa (not Los Angeles, not Canada...but where? .....you got it , that's right, the 'The land of the BLACKS'). We first have him seeking out the Temple of the great God of the Blacks...God Amen ('Amen'; ring a bell to any of you Bible thumpers out there?). The name of this game is called 'connect the dots'. God Amen (sometimes spelled Amun, Imn, Amon or Ammon) was being worshipped in Africa by the Blacks in the Nile Valley well over 5 thousand years "before the first savage wore a shoe or lived in a house that had a window". You now know more About Alexander of Macedon than most people you will ever come in contact with, pastors incuded.


Alexander wanted to be declared the son of the God of the Blacks so bad he trekked all the way to this place in AFRICA...look at at it and never forget it, show it to your children so they can see how the savages came to the land of their Ancestors to be exalted above all others. You can never change your children until you change yourselves....LOOK AT IT!


1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oracle_of_Ammun_at_Siwa.jpg




2. http://urlm.in/fzxw


For you Christians ...this was temple of God 'Amen' before Alexander's Greek descendants placed him your Bible. He was the God of your Beautiful Black African Ancestors. You supplicate his name








@ Everyone

The reason Alexander had to bypass Egypt proper and travel to Siwa to meet with the Oracle of God Amen was for this reason; when he asked the priesthood of Ancient Egypt to confer upon him the office of Pharaoh he was rejected as the priesthood only chose from amongst their own African kind. As he was rejected it was reccomended to him that he seek confirmation from God Himself. This was his reason for traveling to Siwa in the land of the Blacks.
Now...let us look at God Amen as expressed by our African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt. Let us see how the savage Alexander usurped the office of Pharaoh and had himself rendered the 'Sa Ra' ie. the 'Son of God', 'Amen'.



Scroll down this page and view God Amen as presented with the Ram horns as the ram was his type and symbol.
http://urlm.in/fzxy


Now look and see how Alexander had himself rendered as the Son of the African God 'Amen' (God represented in the form of a Ram)
http://urlm.in/fzya


Now look at God Amen again
http://urlm.in/fzyc

Now I will show you where the 'Hebrews plaigarized their image of the stone tablets that moses was supposed to have recieved his '10 commandments' on:

First look at the plume of feathers on the head of God Amun shown here:
http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2603964

Now look at the shape of the stone tablets supposedly given to moses shown here:
http://urlm.in/fzye


ALL of their typology and icons were plagiarized from Ancient Egypt.





Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 3:16PM
Christine Govenor
in any event let the repost above serve as a quick reminder and refresher. I'm sure there are those who could use it and will appreciate it.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 3:19PM
Christine Govenor
Ten Commandments, they are taken outright from Spell 125 of the Egyptian
Book of the Dead.44 What the Book of the Dead phrased “I have not stolen” became “Thou

shall not steal,” “I have not killed” became “Thou shall not kill,” “I have not told lies”
became “Thou shall not bear false witness” and so forth.45 In fact, the Egyptian religion is
likely the primary foundational basis for the Judeo‐Christian theology. Baptism,46 afterlife,47
final judgment,48 virgin birth49 and resurrection,50 crucifixion,51 the ark of the covenant,52
circumcision,53, 54 saviors,55 holy communion,56 the great flood,57 Easter,58 Christmas,59, 60
Passover,61 and many, many more, are all attributes of Egyptian ideas, long predating.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 3:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Justin Martyr, one of the first Christian historians and defenders, wrote: “When we say that
he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was produced without s*xual union, was crucified and died, and
rose again, and ascended into Heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe
regarding those who you esteem Sons of Jupiter.”62 In a different writing, Justin Martyr said

“He was born of a virgin; accept this in common with what you believe of Perseus. ”63 It’s
obvious that Justin and other early Christians knew how similar Christianity was to the Pagan
religions. However, Justin had a solution. As far as he was concerned, the Devil did it. The
Devil had the foresight to come before Christ, and create these characteristics in the Pagan
world.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 3:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ Adam

A partial quote from my link you graciously reposted, showing a rarely seen image of Serapis (http://urlm.in/fzyf) states about Serapis that ...."For Egyptians, he was the god Osiris under another name. Most importantly for the Greeks, the new god had human form".


That is a lie....when placed in proper historical context the sentence should read thusly....."Most importantly for the Greeks, the new god had the form of a WHITE MAN" like themselves. For the first tim in their history the Greeks were no longer obliged to worship BLACK PEOPLE as they had been doing up that point. This is historical fact. One thing Black students are never taught to examine are the historical motives of whites. Their austerity is based upon lies and falshoods:

"Negroes were first worshipped in Greece and Rome. White masses bowed down to black deities. The rites of Apollo were founded by Delphos and his negro mother, Melainis; and the worship of black Isis and Horus were popular in Rome and the Roman colonies as far north as Britain. When this latter evolved into the worship of the Black Madonna and the BLACK CHRIST whites also bowed down to them. Negroes, as was said, were deified in the early Greece. They appeared as gods in Greek mythology. The chief title of Zeus,greatest of the Greek gods, was 'Ethiops', that is 'Black' ."

J.A. Rogers
'NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE'
publ. 1952


@ All others:

Why have you as black people not taught your children that those who now miseducate them and furnish them with feeble minds once worshipped them as Gods and Goddesses? imagine a black child and a white child sitting in the same calssroom being taught these Truths!! Would your children come home from their 'schools' and hang out in front of grocery corner stores as they do in every black neighborhood in this country? NO THEY WOULD NOT!!! Why? BECAUSE GODS AND GODDESSES DO NOT HANG OUT IN FRONT OF CORNER GROCERY STORES OWNED BY ARABS, ASIANS AND LATINOS!!! I will tell you why you have not told them this......it is because as I have said....a God or Goddess with AMNESIA is of nuse themselves or their progeny; they are disoriented...easily managed within populations....they will even try to emulate their abberated creations.....a state of BACKWARDS affairs will ensue.....this then is your reality black people. My humble suggestion?
Follow the example of the 'savage' Adam and check your egos at the door and just accept that this is what has happened on your planet, to you as a people. Where do you think the got the idea for the movie 'The Planet of the Apes'? Where those who once ruled as masters of the planet were now ruled by that which they had just only previously ruled. They were shoving your story in your face....but in your slumbering ignorance which you will defend and champion to the death as you have been emtionally programmed to do, you consumed it as mere ENTERTAINMENT. The gretaest achievement the white man can boast of to this very day is that he took that which he once worshipped and brought it low, lower than even himself; so low that there are those amongst us, who look just like us, who would stop me dead in my tracks from revealing these things to you; not out of historical objectivity, but out of jealousy and envy, because in their small warped minds I have stolen their 'thunder'.....I have what they crave the most.....your attention. They are still deeply infected with a 'plantation' mindset. They are sick and beyond my capcity to assist. Everything else is a much more important topic other than FACTS they have never been, and yet to be, furnished with. The accumulated IQ on their combined pages (just read their blogs) is indicative of the 'sore losers in the sandbox'. Perhaps they should have divulged this information before my arrival, perhaps then I would have found it unnecessary to do so. But alas...the incapable, the incompetent and the uninformed must lick their academic wounds together as they all have one thing in common.......myself as a more than capable adversary.


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:09PM
Christine Govenor
@DAVID


An excellent post.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:11PM
Christine Govenor
@Mozell


"Is there a curse on Africans for believeing in a God....or Gods and allowing them, those Gods to be hijacked...."?



When one turns their backs on their Ancestors...whether through programming or by their own volition....all things between heaven and hell will not suffice in staving off the price that must be paid. Perhaps if a white person with a Phd or a collared shirt and a tie tells you this...you will believe them. That was a plausible and germane question Mozell...a pleasant surprise from an unlikely source.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:17PM
Christine Govenor
When I return....I will address 1 or 2 more posts on here that caught my attention, then we move closer into what brought about the creation of the Bible. I can't wait to 'see your faces' when you encounter this information. I've a feeling both David and Adam will be most pleased as they will have questions answered that they never would have imagined, could have been answered. I can assure you. David though there are those present too immersed in false pride to thank you for this opportunity I will not be counted amongs ttheir company, so I therefore say on behalf of us all......thank you for allowing something as unique and as insighful as this to take place. I've a class to teach. i will return this evening.

The subjects we will be covering next are: What did Ptolemy SOTER do to the community of Ancient Egyptian Priests (your African Ancestors) who refused to help him?

How does that relate to the building of the Library of Alexandria (in Ancient Egypt, the Land ofthe Black people....your Ancestors)?
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:28PM
Christine Govenor
how do you explain the similarities with other older pagan religions from before the writing of the bible.check out the similarities between jesus christ and the egyptian sun god "horus"
HORUS -Ancient Egypt-3000 bc
born- Dec 25 to a virgin (Isis mary)
his birth was accompanied by a star in the east, and was worshiped by three kings
at 30 he was baptized, could heal the sick and walk on water.
there are other similarities, which where inscribed 3500 years ago and found in luxor, egypt, which also has the virgin birth. this also follows other gods in terms of a birth sequence, including:
attis -greece 1200bc
Krishna - India 900 bc
dionysis - greece 500 bc
mithra -persia 500 bc

so does this mean that god does not exist as it is all a blatant copy form previous "sun gods" and what makes god and jesus any different from the other gods named?, does this show that christianity with all its pagan ritual is nothing more than a stolen myth, passed down from the ancient egyptians??
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
i thank you Christine for opening my eyes in a way i can trace my history with a clear understanding and i can speak this boldly to my kids and my children s children !
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Someone said, I can't remember who, that the greatest fraud visited upon people, [black in particular] is christianity." I say that at the risk of creating hostility among the "religious" on this site. Some of us have known for while that the stories in King James were changed to under pen the hijacking of a people and enslaving them for profit. That is difficult for some to beieve becuse what they have of vlueis their belief. Historically, what we re lerning from Christine are fact hidden and cloaked in darkness for controlling a segment of the population and empowering the other segment.

With just s little bit of study, one can find the relationship between the ancient beliefs and the name changes of today. And if you know just a llittle bit of Ancient History, one will know that the Holy Family Is Egyptian. They just demoted Mary to the place where Christians have always put women, not important enough to mention a harlot.

It is IMPORTANT that we as a people learn the truth of who we really are and where and who we came from. The inferiority complex that many people of color have will vanish and the real wealth of the potential can be kicked into high gear.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:55PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Christine, thanks for the corrected commentary on the Serapis image. I have another question about Serapis but will save it. Has to do with Ptah. But I don't want to divert from the course you have set.

Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 4:56PM
Adam Fate
ms Johnson
that was beautiful powerful and true !
can i use that ?
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 5:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 5:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christine i have been studying this for about 3 hrs and i think i got it !
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 6:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Under Ptolemy Soter, efforts were made to integrate Egyptian religion with that of their Hellenic rulers. Ptolemy's policy was to find a deity that should win the reverence alike of both groups, despite the curses of the Egyptian priests against the gods of the previous foreign rulers (i.e Set who was lauded by the Hyksos). Alexander the Great had attempted to use Amen for this purpose, but he was more prominent in Upper Egypt, and not as popular with those in Lower Egypt, where the Greeks had stronger influence. The Greeks had little respect for animal-headed figures, and so a Greek-style anthromorphic statue was chosen as the idol, and proclaimed as the equivalent of the highly popular Apis.[2] It was named Aser-hapi (i.e. Osiris-Apis), which became Serapis, and was said to be Osiris in full, rather than just his Ka (life force).
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 6:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
As none other, Ptolemy realized that the Pharaonic system would enable a dynasty to survive the death of its founder. His annexations beyond the wildest Egyptian dreams confirmed this "strong king". He understood (as Alexander before him) that by gifts to the temples, erecting monuments and ensuring dignified royal administration (as well as preserve his military might), he would have the intellectual, ante-rational elite of Egypt on his side and benefit from the perennial agricultural fruits of the "black land", as well as from the preserved scientific and artistic canons, expressed in multi-layered, contextual, proto-rational thoughts & practices. Native Egyptians loathed the Persian rule and welcomed a new Pharaoh who would restore and maintain the old traditions. The blur between the human and the divine in Ptolemy's Macedonian mind (cf. the figure of the hero in Greek religion) blended in with the divine nature of Egyptian kingship confirmed by triumphant victories (Pharaoh being the incarnation of Horus the Elder as well as the son of Atum-Re, the Heliopolitan god of creation).
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 6:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@Thomasena Martin-Johnson


Wow. I like being wowed. You just wowed me.




@David

Your last one was quite impressive. you should know that. You threw crumbs on the table that were hither to not addressed. You included some of the 'how' with respect to what Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) accomplished. In your statement is a reflection of the HISTORICAL RECORD of how SOTER courted and plied the disloyal faction of the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood (your African Ancestors) with wealth and status and freedom from his persecution: "He understood (as Alexander before him) that by gifts to the temples, erecting monuments and ensuring dignified royal administration".



The other PRIESTS WERE NOT SO LUCKY....here you will be revealed to you the true reason for the building of the Library of Alexandria.





After I eat (smile).




Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 8:48PM
Christine Govenor
ok we will be here
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 9:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Yes David, Welcome to it.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 9:17PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Ptolemy proved to be an astute administrator. In addition to appointing Greeks to high bureaucratic positions, he followed the lead of Alexander the Great and likewise permitted Persians as well as Egyptians to remain in positions of authority within Egypt provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him. He did little to alter the nome, or provincial, administration of Egypt, so that Egypt’s pharaonic institutions continued to function unchanged. His name in Egyptian and his titulary were composed in concert with Egypt’s learned priestly-scribes who employed the same writing for his prenomen written with the first cartouche as that used earlier for Alexander the Great. By his second regnal year he was styled in Demotic, “the protector,” providing the equivalent, “Soter,” his Greek epithet.



His positive interaction with the Egyptian priesthood was furthered by his renovations of Egyptian temples. Although these architectural programs are not on the monumental scale of those of some of his successors, an inventory of his name preserved at these sites indicates that his architectural program effected virtually every major temple throughout the entire land. In this regard it is interesting to note his activities at Karnak between Pylons 8 and 9, where the foundations of an exterior wall composed of re-used talatat from the Amarna Period were replaced with sandstone blocks usurped by his agents from an unknown structure of post-Ramesside date. The artistic style of the relief decoration associated with these architectural programs reveals that the craftsmen in his employ perpetuated the style of the immediately preceding pharaonic dynasties, as is evident if one compares images inscribed in his name from Iseion in the Delta or from the Chapel of Thoth, now in Hildesheim, from Tuna el-Gebal with relief inscribed with the names of Nectanebo II of Dynasty XXX.



In addition to his financial support of these Egyptian institutions, Ptolemy I Soter, as he is now universally known, was doubtless responsible for sowing the seeds of what was to grow into the famous Library and Mouseion at Alexandria. He seems to be the individual responsible for acquiring the private library of Aristotle, which formed the core collection of the Library’s holdings. In this endeavor he seems to have engaged the services of Demetrius of Phaleron, a suburb of the city of Athens. Realizing the need for providing his immigrant Greek entourage with an understanding of the country they were now administrating, Ptolemy commissioned the Egyptian priest Manetho from the Delta city of Sebennytos to compose a history of his country in Greek.

http://egyptiansociety.co.za/2010/06/ptole...


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 9:19PM
Adam Fate
This was a tough one Christine, and I'm not satisfied yet with what I came up with. I did read a lot of material, but as far as answering your question, what happened to the priests that opposed him, I haven't found the answer. I will see if the post above can be used for further leads. I also came up blank on the ancient sources, tried finding Macrobius' Saturnalia in English (thought book 1 chapter 7 might have some relevance), but only found the Latin. My Latin is not too good after 30 years. I found interesting reading at:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...

The House of Ptolemy
by E. R. Bevan
published by Methuen Publishing, London,
1927

Starting on page 38, at this quote: "The Greek books tell us a little about the part which Ptolemy played in the struggle between the world-powers during forty years after Alexander's death. But when we ask what all this time was happening in Egypt itself, our documents give us no material for a narrative. We can only infer the developments taking place from the conditions which we afterwards find existing in the country."


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 9:36PM
Adam Fate
polemy caused Cleomenes to be arraigned on some charge, condemned, and put to death. Of course he had now to expect to be attacked by Perdiccas with his whole power, as soon as Perdiccas could get his hands free. Meantime Ptolemy extended his dominion along the African coast by possessing himself of the ancient Greek colony of Cyrene and its daughter towns. Civil war had broken out in that country in the days of confusion after the death of Alexander, one faction led by the Spartan condottiere Thibron, and another by the Cretan Mnasicles. Refugees of the defeated party came to Egypt to entreat the satrap to intervene. Ptolemy dispatched a force, military and naval, under Ophellas, an Olynthian in his service, to occupy the country, and the two condottieri joined forces against him. Ophellas beat them down, captured Thibron, and had him crucified. Then Ptolemy came in person to take possession of Cyrene, towards the end of 322 B.C. The subjugation of a state so illustrious, with more than a century's tradition of republican freedom, since the fall of its old Greek dynasty, by a Macedonian ruler made a powerful impression upon the Greek world. The Cyrenaeans never acquiesced in the position of a subject province. They were destined to be often in the future, not an accession of strength to the Macedonian kings of Egypt, but a thorn in their side. Yet Cyrene furnished to Ptolemaic Egypt, as Ireland has done to England, a roll of illustrious men like Callimachus the poet and Eratosthenes the geographer, and numbers of soldiers. Amongst the p23soldier-colonists of the Fayûm and of Upper Egypt the papyri show a noticeable proportion of Cyrenaeans. For the moment Ptolemy left Ophellas in the country as governor.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 10:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ptolemy seized Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, when the Jews felt that their religion forbade them to offer any resistance.12 Bouché-Leclercq thinks that it was more probably in 312. Yet Ptolemy can hardly have avoided securing the city of this singular community (as they seemed to the Greeks) when he extended his power over Palestine in the years 320‑318.
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 10:37PM
DAVID JOHNSON
As against the native Egyptians, the Greeks felt themselves the representatives of a higher civilization. And yet they were, as has been said, impressed by the antiquity and mysterious regularity of the Egyptian tradition. They were curious to know something about it. Only, their curiosity was easily satisfied. No Greek savant, so far as we know, ever took the trouble to learn to read hieroglyphics or to study the records engraved in stone, or written on papyrus, at first hand. The Greeks in Egypt did sometimes learn Egyptian, as we may see by a papyrus of the 2d century B.C., a letter written in Greek by a mother to her son — presumably a Greek family — in which she congratulates him on the fact that he is learning "Egyptian letters" (Αἰγύπτια γράμματα); but his object is not, we find, historical research, it is the hope of securing a post as teacher in a school for Egyptian children, and so providing for his old age. All that Greeks knew about Egyptian antiquity was what Egyptians chose to tell them. The Greek historian, Hecataeus of Abdera, was in Egypt in the days of the first Ptolemy, and travelled up the Nile as far as Thebes to gather material for his History of Egypt (Αἰγυπτιακά). He was specially interested in Egyptian religion, and his informants may have been Egyptian priests or the bilingual native guides who served the needs of Greek tourists. What Diodorus tells us about Egypt in his First Book is largely taken from the work of Hecataeus. No doubt Hecataeus learnt from his informants a good deal that was true, as well as a good deal that was invented in order to present an idealized picture of ancient Egypt to the Greek. Hecataeus gave Greek readers what they wanted — something in literary form which seemed plausible, which pleasantly impressed their imaginations and made them feel that they understood Egypt; they were untroubled by the modern researcher's demand for rigorous documentary verification. Sometimes Egyptians themselves took up the pen to write about their country and their people for Greeks. An Egyptian of the priestly caste, Manetho, wrote a history of Egypt in Greek, with the encouragement apparently of the first Ptolemy. Manetho really had some knowledge of the ancient records, and what he wrote was largely based upon them, though he brought in a certain amount of Egyptian popular legend. It is, however, to his credit that we find him — in one connexion, at any rate — specially pointing out that what he is giving is legend, and not something taken from the documents. The history of Manetho was much the fullest and most authentic history of ancient Egypt which the Greeks and Romans ever possessed. The work has now perished, but the considerable fragments of it, preserved by Josephus and other writers, gave Europe almost all the substantial information it had about ancient Egypt till the 19th century, when scholars discovered the key to the old Egyptian writing. "If we estimate aright the spirit of the Alexandria of that day, we shall not hesitate to say that Manetho's dry enumeration of early dynasties of gods and kings stood no chance in popularity against Hecataeus' agreeable romancing. Possibly the high priest, who is cited as one of Ptolemy's religious advisers, made an honest attempt to counteract the uncritical rubbish which was talked at the Museum concerning the earlier history of his country. In its day his work was a failure, though centuries later Jews and Christians in their controversies raked it out of oblivion".

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...


Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 11:10PM
Adam Fate
this is the kind of Academia you won't see in our school systems.... OUTSTANDING!
Thursday, November 4th 2010 at 11:55PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
CYNTHIA
this is hard work i got 5 hrs of study just today !
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:07AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Damn Adam.....those last two were good. Real good. I'm stealing that sh*t...fa real.



David....your keep'n up....but you might wanna fasten your seat belt in a while.


Queen Cynthia....you stick around....I give you my personla gurantee, your mind is going to be blown.



Thomasena- I'm still chewing on your last one. It tasted so good I don't wanna swallow for fear of losing the taste. On point like a dart.



Adam....I had to comment twice....your last two posts made me slightly jealous.....I've neither of those in my collection....how the hell did you find those?

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:28AM
Christine Govenor
@Adam


Duhh I should've known. University of Chicago (Oriental Institute of Archaeology) alumni material and archives....stay the hell out of my haunts Adam....I'd be competing against you in a classroom right now. Creep...youre stealing my 'Thunder'....lol!! Slow down your gonna give away the juicy stuff. Typical savage ....blowin his load before we all get there ....LOL!!!!

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:36AM
Christine Govenor
Damn Adam...I can't seem to shake those last two posts of yours....good stuff.....I'm downloading that sh*t. That's the priceless stuff. Yeah, yeah....whatever .....you get a stripe....or two.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:39AM
Christine Govenor
Christine: time, patience, and a great teacher.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:40AM
Adam Fate
A YOUNG EDUCATED BLACK WOMAN SHOWCASE YOUR SKILLS ,,,,
i look at the way you teach those that hunger for the truth !
i see your beauty and i love your blackness !
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:54AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Adam when we've concluded.....youre going to owe David dinner or tickets to something because had my brother not invited me to this forum chances are....you'd still be stuck in the 'Common Era' looking for the origins of Christianity and the Bible. You'd still be stuck on Erasmus' work; Mark, Luke, John...blah blah blah. Erasmus and Cisneros sure had a thing for the theatrical huh? To say the least ; Erasmus for the little boys. Damn 15th century playwrites got my people all messed up in the head huh?
Well we gon fix that right about..............now. Any and all credit on this page goes to David as it was he who in fact had the insane idea of inviting someone as historically and academically volatile as myself to forum infested with self styled 'moderates'. That took guts kiddo. Particularly in a community where people are more concerned with being popular and well liked than with having their heads screwed back on straight. Go figure.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:56AM
Christine Govenor
Christine,

I couldn't agree with you more that I owe David. Big time.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 1:14AM
Adam Fate
HAVE HEART CAUSE FEAR O311 I GOT MY TAGS GUNNY ! POST 1978
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 1:35AM
DAVID JOHNSON
LET THE LIGHT SHINE !
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:00AM
DAVID JOHNSON


David....when you see me my brother; see the women you will create everytime you sneak in the opportunity to teach a misguided and miseducated sister. She is as entitled to her birthright and legacy as are we.



The Ancient Egyptian priests and priestesses (your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt) who capitulated to Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) were located in Memphis ('Mem-Nefer'.....'the place of beauty') Egypt. It was this sacerdotal indigenous African 'sell out' community that went into the Divine triad of their Native country in Africa...'Ancient Egypt') and extracted from it two different expressions of the same God figure in that Divine Triad; God Osiris and his another aspect of himself as the Apis Bull thereby syncretizing these different expressions of the one and same God Osiris now personified by the hybrid name indicating the marraige between these two divine natures rendering one...Asar(Asaru or Osiris) - Hapi (ie. Apis)....culminating in the image of the white God Serapis. This was the first time in the history of black people's existence that they were forced to worship the IMAGE OF A WHITE MALE GOD:

They (the disloyal priests of Egypt) later created (on behalf of Ptolemy I SOTER, SAVIOUR) a devotional ritual to Serapis; he was spoken of as "THE SAVIOR AND LEADER OF SOULS, LEADING SOULS TO THE LIGHT AND RECIEVING AND RECIEVING THEM AGAIN". The ritual goes on to say " HE RAISES THE DEAD, HE WILL SAVE US AFTER DEATH AND WE WILL BE PROTECTED IN HIS PROVIDENCE".

Outline of History , by H.G. Wells Vol.1


At this point if you know nothing about Osiris, the Black God of your African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt, who so iincensed the white savage envious Greeks simply because they could not see in him their reflection as a result of the paleness of their own skin, I highly, highly .....highly suggest you take a moment to familiarize yourself with this 'God of the Blacks' as it is he whom this whole story centers around as you will eventually come to see. His very title was 'Lord of the Perfect Black':
Before we proceed any further (and we will) I cannot let you proceed any further until your mind is equipped with this information, or all else will be 'Chinese' to you (so to speak).

Read this information...count how many times the allusion is made to 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'.

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/osiri...


Read this information, and out of respect for your Black African Ancestors,(who you have been trained not even to consult or consider anymore in your homogenized lives), and even for your own very selves, I ask you to consider the historical facts as reflected by the historical record, the daily REALITY in their lives of terms such as 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'. Then and only then will you just begin to understand why the greatest white savages of their day wanted to be associated and affiliated with him BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. And then I will tell you what happened when your African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt helped one of the white savages (Ptolemy I. SOTER/SAVIOUR) achieve this 'life shattering' goal. Because it was our Black lives that were shattered as a consequence of this. Alex Haley gave you the rated G version of 'Roots'. I'm giving you the rated X version.....because X marks the spot and this is where it all began. Introduce yourselves to the God of your Great Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt
......God Osiris.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:07AM
Christine Govenor
Meet the Great female Ancestor of your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt, the Wife and Sister of Osiris. Isis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis


Once you have met their son Horus....you will have met the first divine trinity as reflected by the historical record. It is the African Family as expressed in the persons of God Osiris, Goddess Isis and their divine child Horus, born of an immaculate conception ( born without the stain of original sin, as your African Ancestors did not suscribe to the concept of 'original sin').

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus



After you've mastered these 3 'persons'.....Goddess Isis, God Horus and God Osiris, you will be able to understand what took place at the future ecumenical councils in North East Africa (later misnomered the (Middle East'). You will be able to understand how the ecclesiastical community dipped repeatedly into this divine triad in an effort to incarnate their own God's and Godesses for if 'Mary' the 'Theotokos' is the 'Mother of God' then it follows that she must be a..........(figure it out brainiacs).



Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:44AM
Christine Govenor
I have special treat coming up for Adam....gonna blow his mind. Just breathe deep until we get there Adam.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:47AM
Christine Govenor
David, I was hoping you would not misunderstand me. I meant what I said in an honest way, no reference to the past. Let me be clear, thank you David for bringing Christine to us.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:11PM
Adam Fate
Christine, where does Ptah fit in? I read he was the one who was not created. This will be my assignment today, Ptah, Osiris, Isis, Horus.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:25PM
Adam Fate
i will be gone for the day going up the coast !
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christine, I did say "us", but I have not forgotten who is your audience. So I do not mean to be presumptuous.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 12:35PM
Adam Fate
Princess and All... I am reading..... and following along.....
I'm good.... Adam/Steve/?? is on a roll....
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 1:21PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@ Queen Cynthia


Adam is on a roll. I kind've feel bad for anyone who debates him after this. Be they black, white or technicolor. He'll drag them through the historical record until their knees are bloody and dirty and they are screaming in pain for him to stop as I have done to many an opponent.


@Adam

I'm well aware of the presence of those who would prefer their presence go unnoticed. They are as entitled to know the Truth as are all others. Their contentions mean nothing to me as the historical record will ALWAYS without question everytime....obliterate their false premises, many of which they have heavily invested in.
It is not me they resent though they believe it be so. it is the historical record that they are only now being introduced to (in it's entirety) for the very first time in their lives, that they resent. How could I possibly take that personal? I do not. Just as you do not take it personal when I referto you as a 'savage'. You know that I do not know anything personal about you, therfore it can only be a political statement, not a personal one. Your average idiot cannot differentiate.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:20PM
Christine Govenor
Cynthia, you make me smile with the Adam/Steve/??

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 2:55PM
Adam Fate
Christine

I had a history professor in college I will never forget, Dr. Claude Foster. Whenever one of us would start a sentence with "I believe", he would unfailingly correct us to say "I think". That lesson has stuck with me ever since, and I still hear those words in my head if I ever start a sentence "I believe".

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 3:01PM
Adam Fate
good... I don't know what you will call your self after this.... !! glad to see you getting involved.... Im impressed!!
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 3:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
When one hears a truth that goes against their"truth" it changes who they are. If they are not ready to learn that they did not know themselves, it upset their world.I have found that for SOME of us, that is too much to bare. Many are still deciding between negro, Black, African American, Afro American and American. Many are still denying that the So called Jesus is a black even in James' book if they look for it. Some are still saying not to QUESTION GOD OR THE BIBLE. That is what I meant about debriefing and unlearning garbage before we are ready to strike ou ton our own. Without what we are learning from Sister Christine, we will not be strong enough to do better. After all, this is the foundation on which we build. With this knowledge, brainwashing is impossible. That is why SOME PEOPLE did not want SOME to learn to read. Can you imagine what slavery would have been like if the slaves knew all of this information and especially the second and third generations?
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 4:32PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
David's 5 questions opened pandora's box---for somebody.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 4:34PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
/*
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM...EXCELLENT JOB!

David and Christine...thank you both for such an enlightening voyage and lesson.

Thank you to ALL of the PARTICIPANTS of this dialogue...I have most certainly appreciated the candor and genuine spirit of KINSHIP!

SANKOFA...

Peace and Love to you - one and all,

Greg.
*/

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 7:18PM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
Sista Thomasena you are so correct.....
Indeed this is enlightening... reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cage in his story The Republic!!
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 7:31PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Somebody hip me to the question... being explored now?
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 7:33PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Wish I could see your faces (smile).
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 7:44PM
Christine Govenor
His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born"

Friday, November 5th 2010 at 8:45PM
Adam Fate
ok im back ..i need to caught up
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 11:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus"
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 11:49PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Etymology is the study of the history of words, their origins, and how their form and meaning have changed over time.

For languages with a long written history, etymologists make use of texts in these languages and texts about the languages to gather knowledge about how words were used during earlier periods of their history and when they entered the languages in question. Etymologists also apply the methods of comparative linguistics to reconstruct information about languages that are too old for any direct information to be available.
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 11:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Church Fathers, Early Church Fathers, or Fathers of the Church were early and influential theologians, eminent Christian teachers and great bishops. Their scholarly works were used as a precedent for centuries to come, see Proto-orthodox Christianity. The term was used of writers and teachers of the Church, not necessarily saints. A rough classification of these patristic writings is as: Apostolic Fathers and the Second Century; Third Century; Fourth Century; Fifth Century; and Sixth Century.[1][2]
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 11:58PM
DAVID JOHNSON
one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:02AM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ Everyone"

It matters not who posted the answer to my last question first (though 'you know who' beat you all to the punch.....do you know why? Becaue he wants it the way a fighter wants to win a fight. Those who teach know that those are the students who will do things of value with what they have learned, though in the case of a veritable savage i couldn't even begin to imagine what could possibly come of his efforts. Only those who witness it will know. As for the rest of you...you are family and i am obligated to see this course through to it's final revelation. The price I pay for not doing so is slightly just a bit too high, even for my own extraordinary, well-seasoned taste. I reiterate....all that matters are these very words:

'Origen'-

"His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born")."

Wikipedia.


If you do not understand the implications of the above quote as regards the bearing/impact of the Ancient Egyptian (ie. African) origins of so-called 'Christian precepts' on Christianity itself, then perhaps you may wish to follow an alternative blog. Perhaps one where the topic is something akin to "See spot run" or "See Jane walk"; hint, hint. Show me that someone has their thinking caps on ( I was actually going to save that little 'Origen' tidbit for later but temptation got the better of me as it sometimes does ...smile; no worries...that's nothing compared to what's coming, I can whole heartedly assure you). The next time a Christian gets into a debate with you....just mention the etymology of Origen's name and walk away. At that point, for all intents and purposes you've pretty much won the argument.


One of the Early Church Fathers(?)....upon which so much of Christian doctrine rests (?) who's very name means 'CHILD OFHORUS'? I know how we so enjoy specializing in exceedingly short memories, so please allow me to introduce you to the 'FATHER' of Origen....the Early Christian Church Father himself. He was the 'CHILD OF .............'HORUS'. Guess that made Isis and Osiris his Grandparents.....smile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus



When it comes to future debate...members of this group will take no prisoners and show no mercy even in the slightes. Truth demands that you be ruthless.
Truth is not weak, it is strong and must be respected when handled like any great weapon. NOW....THINKING CAPS ON!

What happened to those Balck African Ancient Egyptian priests who DID NOT aquiesce to Soter's requests and wishes? Everything hinges on this.

Not long after the disloyal priests and priestesses created the hybrid God 'Serapis' in 'Soter's image....he (Soter) requested that his statue...the statue of himself as God 'Serapis' be placed on equal footing with the most sacred expression of God in Ancient Egypt, God in the person of Osiris, in all of the Temples throughout the length and breadth of Ancient Egypt. Needless to say, your Black African Ancestors REFUSED him this sacrilegious and blasphemous request on the grounds that though he may be a despotic ruler of their sacred lands (Ancient Egypt, the second place on this planet to be called the 'Holy' Land' as the first and oldest place to designated as such was done so by the Ancient Egyptians themselves when referring to the inner body of the continent of Africa....the land of your origins; they refrred to it as 'TA-NETER' ie. THE LAND OF GOD/GODS):



"Moreover, whenever Egyptian inscriptions refer to Egyptian origins, the land of Punt-present-day Somalia and northern Kenya-is pointed to as the ancestral homeland. One word for inner Africa, “yau,” is the same as their word for “old,” making inner Africa “the old country” of immigration. Inner Africa also was TA -NETER, “the Land of the Gods.” Everything about the interior of Africa evoked in the Egyptians a sense of awe, reverence and nostalgia."

Great Black Leaders: Ancient and Modern
Edited by Dr Ivan Van Sertima
Rutgers University


***This book is required reading at the Collegiate level.






To your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt (the priests), the Greek, Ptolemy I.SOTER (SAVIOUR), successor of the savage white Macedonian Alexander, was still, at the end of the day....a white savage, and there was nothing whatsoever in their historical memory that would ameliorate them to his cause....namely that of having his WHITE image placed in all of the Holiest Temples throughout Ancient Egypt alongside the sacerdotal images of the holiest of your Ancestral dieties .....God in the 'person' of Osiris, 'Lord of The Perfect Black:


"......for example a black stone , such as basalt, would associate the subject with Asar (Osiris) in His aspect of "Lord of the Perfect Black" "


EA Wallace Budge
(Keeper of the Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities at the British Museum)



What was the price they paid for refusal....these priests and priestesses, these black brothers and sisters who refused to capitulate to the disrepectful request made of them by the white savage Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR)?


Let as look at what indeed happened. This is how your Bible began......

Ptolemy I. attempted to put this man made icon/ image of himself into all the sacred temples throughout Egypt alongside the God of your Black Ancient Egyptian Ancestors, God Osiris. This was his way of getting himself accepted into the Ancient Egyptian priesthood. However as previously mentioned, he was rejected by the entire sacred priest society throughout Ancent Egypt (except in Memphis, Egypt where the name Serapis and the icon/image were created). ANGERED BY THIS REJECTION THE GREEK WHITE SAVAGE, PTOLEMY I, SOTER (SAVIOUR)
PROCEEDED TO CLOSE ALLTHE OTHER SACRED ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TEMPLES THROUGHOUT EGYPT AND MADE IT AGAINST THE LAW FOR ANY of the Black peoples of Ancient Egypt to build any temples or buildings for the purpose of Spiritual fellowship. Imagine if George Bush Jr walked into your church on Sunday and signed into law a decree that said we could no longer meet for Spiritual fellowship because we refuse to place a statue ofhis likeness next to that which we proclaim divine even if only in representation. It is attested to by the historical record that this is what your Black Ancestors were subject to, at the hands ofte svage white Greeks.They did not come to Africa to learn as is sooften referred to in the historical record.....they came to steal, not only knowledge of the universe (which they dd at many different intervals) but they also came to steal the very FREEEDOM of a people not because they had black skin but because all that they had others wanted for themselves and quickly came to the conclusion that the only way to take it was to take it all...through tyranny and cultural terrorism. The details will be discussed later today.

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 6:04AM
Christine Govenor
So we need to find to converse of this:

"In addition to appointing Greeks to high bureaucratic positions, he followed the lead of Alexander the Great and likewise permitted Persians as well as Egyptians to remain in positions of authority within Egypt provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him."

"...provided they demonstrated their unfailing allegiance to him."

I am looking.

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 11:49AM
Adam Fate
Demetrius Phalereus, the first head of the ancient Alexandria Library and one who was also instrumental in creating the Mouseion, advised Ptolemy I to "collect together books on kingship and the exercise of power, and to read them". It seems likely that Ptolemy I at least attempted to follow this advice, judging from his success in governing the territories under his authority. He sought to consolidate the religions of the Egyptians and Greeks by actually creating the worship of a new god named Serapis, which was in reality a composite deity made up of both Egyptian and Greek gods. Ptolemy I established for this god the Sarapeion in Alexandra, a temple dedicated to the god which also held a daughter library to that of the Great Library of Alexandria. He was also responsible for many other temples and temple additions in Egypt, which undoubtedly proved useful with his relationship to Egypt's powerful priesthood.

This is not to say that Ptolemy I was entirely successful. Serapis, though becoming a popular god not only with the Greeks in Egypt but elsewhere in the world, seems to have never really attained that stature among the Egyptians themselves, who went about mostly worshipping their old gods. In addition, choosing Alexandria as his capital segregated the Greeks of his generation and their descendents from the Egyptian people. In fact, Alexandria came to be considered more of a Greek city in Egypt, rather than actually an Egyptian city.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pt...

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:12PM
Adam Fate
. The fellahîn were mostly native Egyptians, but now, instead of the country houses of the Egyptian nobles which had been seen in olden days, the great estates belonged to Greeks. Perhaps there were Egyptian families which kept alive a memory that they were descended from princes, but, if so, they counted for very little in the world now. Any Egyptian who aspired to rise learnt Greek, put on a Greek dress, and took service at the Greek court or under some Greek government official. Sometimes he kept his Egyptian name; sometimes he took a Greek name; sometimes he had both an Egyptian and a Greek name. We never hear under the Ptolemies of any native lay aristocracy.1 The poorer Egyptians continued to talk their old language in a later form, on its way to become the Coptic of Christian Egypt, 600 years later. The old warrior caste of Egyptians, whom the p80Greeks in their tongue called machimoi ("fighting men"), continued to exist, as we shall see, distinct from the ordinary fellahîn, and were employed for some purposes — though at present, it would seem, mainly as non-combatants — in the Ptolemaic forces. Only in one way did the old Egypt continue to make an imposing appearance — in the department of religion. Many of the huge temples, built by the kings of the past, were still standing among the palms, and the traditional ritual was carried on in them, in the old language, to the old gods, by bodies of priests, with white linen robes and shaven heads, as they are shown on the Pharaonic monuments. The divine animals — bulls and rams and crocodiles — were still fed and worshipped. It was the priesthood, mainly confined to particular priestly families, which now constituted the only native aristocracy there was. It was to them in the prestige of their office, their corporate wealth, and their sacred learning, that the common people looked as their national guides and leaders. Greek-speaking Egyptians were probably employed quite largely in the lower posts of the government administration, though not, till under the later Ptolemies, in the higher ones. Perhaps the highest posts of all (such as the post of dioiketes) were even then reserved for Greeks, but an Egyptian could in the 1st century B.C. become Governor-General (epistrategos) of the Thebaid. Under the early Ptolemies, Egyptians are not found in such high station. If Rehm is right in supposing that the Tachōs son of Gongylus, who in a Milesian inscription appears as stephanēphoros for the year 262‑261, was an Egyptian representing the Ptolemaic power in that city,2 we should certainly p81have under Ptolemy II an Egyptian holding a relatively high command.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
If we estimate aright the spirit of the Alexandria of that day, we shall not hesitate to say that Manetho's dry enumeration of early dynasties of gods and kings stood no chance in popularity against Hecataeus' agreeable romancing. Possibly the high priest, who is cited as one of Ptolemy's religious advisers, made an honest attempt to counteract the uncritical rubbish which was talked at the Museum concerning the earlier history of his country. In p86its day his work was a failure, though centuries later Jews and Christians in their controversies raked it out of oblivion" (M.).

No modern country in which a European race bears rule over a more numerous native race is quite like Ptolemaic Egypt. South Africa so far resembles it, that the European race there too has settled in the country as its permanent home, a minority amongst a native population, but the situation is different in so far as the natives of South Africa are primitive people, not, like the Egyptians, representatives of an ancient civilization of which the European immigrants stood in a certain awe. In that respect, India seems more analogous to Ptolemaic Egypt, but India again is unlike in the other respect — that the Europeans have not settled in the country as their permanent home, but are only a transient community of officials and soldiers and merchants. And there were two important regards in which the relation between European and native in Ptolemaic Egypt differed from the relation between European and native to‑day. In the first place, although the Greeks and Macedonians held themselves the superior type of humanity, the ordinary Greek or Macedonian settler (it may have been otherwise with the great families) had no horror of intermarriage with Egyptian women.9 Since the Greeks and Macedonians largely came into the country as soldiers, the men amongst them must have been very much more numerous than women. Many of them, we know from the papyri, had European wives, but the supply of European wives can hardly have gone round. Many Greeks and Macedonians married natives. From this continual mixture of blood, the racial difference in Ptolemaic Egypt grew less and less with succeeding generations. Large numbers of people later on who called themselves Greeks were mainly Egyptian in blood.a In the three Greek cities, indeed, it was probably illegal for the members of the citizen-body to contact marriages with natives, and the citizens of these cities may be thought of as retaining their pure Hellenic stock through the Ptolemaic period. But it was otherwise with the multitude of Greeks resident in Egypt, who did not belong to the citizen-body of one of the three cities, whether they were domiciled in the cities or had their homes in some Egyptian town or village.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The other great difference between the relation of Greek to Egyptian in Ptolemaic Egypt and relation of "white man" to "native" to‑day is in the sphere of religion. Modern European civilization has not been shaped by the Hellenic tradition alone; it has been all shaped by Christianity, and there an element has come into it which was quite absent from the mind of ancient Greeks. The Greek's religion made none of the exclusive claims made by Christianity — or by the parent of Christianity, the Hebrew religion, which the Ptolemaic Greek did have continually presented to his eyes. There was nothing in the Greek's p88religion to make him regard the Egyptian religion as heathenish or as idolatrous or as a religion essentially inferior to his own. On the contrary, he was very much impressed by its mysteriousness and its immense antiquity, though to the Romans, and perhaps to some Greeks, the worship of animals or of semi-animal gods seemed ridiculous. The divine power was, to the mind of the ancient Greek, something so vague and incalculable that some barbarian religious rite, even if you did not see the reason of it, might bring you good luck. It was just as well, as a matter of prudence, to propitiate any god in whom your neighbours believed, especially if you were living in the place where he had been worshipped for countless generations. The mixed Greco-Egyptian race which sprang up through intermarriage would absorb a good deal of popular Egyptian religion through the Egyptian mothers. The awe felt towards Egyptian religion was quite compatible with a brief in the superiority of Greek culture for all ordinary purposes of the world and values of life. A papyrus from the Fayûm of the middle of the 3rd century B.C. shows us the daughters of a Greek father from Cyrene, Demetrius, and an Egyptian mother, Thasis, dedicating a shrine to the Egyptian hippopotamus-goddess Thuēris.12 The daughters have both Greek and Egyptian names. At a still earlier date (285‑284) in the reign of the first Ptolemy, we find a Greek woman at Elephantine, Callista of Temnos, using as her seal a scarab with the Egyptian god Thoth engraved upon it in the figure of an ape.13
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
God, the Logos, the Holy Ghost, reason, and the angels; in the second the world and man (including the incarnation of the Logos, the soul, free will, and eschatology); in the third, the doctrine of sin and redemption; and in the fourth, the Scriptures; the whole being concluded with a résumé of the entire system. The work is noteworthy as the first endeavor to present Christianity as a complete theory of the universe, and was designed to remove the difficulties felt by many Christians concerning the essential basis of their faith.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 12:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON
It's obvious in researching this, who wrote the history. However, there are clues which may lead to the truth, so I'll continue to post incomplete information for the possible clues it may contain:

This society did not implode or collapse due to any type of internal weakness, although it never really enjoyed widespread popularity among the Egyptian population but fell to a superior military power. This cultural synthesis inspired the work of the Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria and produced the cultural context in which Gnosticism later flourished. Against the view of some that multiculturalism is a chimera, the Ptolemaic period of Egypt's history can be examined as an example of a flourishing, vibrant polity.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/...

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 1:03PM
Adam Fate
Legacy

Ptolemy I's legacy lived on in the dynasty he founded and in the tradition of cultural patronage and cultural fusion which he initiated. A flourishing center of learning and scholarship, Ptolemaic Egypt gave the world the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, important developments in mathematics and medicine and its greatest library, sadly destroyed. We continue to be indebted to the Ptolemies for much of what we know about Ancient Egypt, since accounts written under their patronage recorded the history of Egypt and include the lists of 30 dynasties. The synthesis of Greek and Egyptian customs, beliefs and practices created by Ptolemy I and his heirs remains a subject for study and research. This society did not implode or collapse due to any type of internal weakness, although it never really enjoyed widespread popularity among the Egyptian population but fell to a superior military power. This cultural synthesis inspired the work of the Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria and produced the cultural context in which Gnosticism later flourished. Against the view of some that multiculturalism is a chimera, the Ptolemaic period of Egypt's history can be examined as an example of a flourishing, vibrant polity.

Fictional portrayals

* Ptolemy was played by Vergilio Teixeira in the film Alexander the Great (1956) and by Robert Earley, Elliot Cowan, and Anthony Hopkins in the Oliver Stone film Alexander (2004).[14]

* L. Sprague de Camp's novel The Bronze God of Rhodes features Ptolemy as a minor character.[15] He also appears in Harry Turtledove's novel The Gryphon's Skull.[16]

* Duncan Sprott's novel The Ptolemies features Ptolemy as a central character and founder of the Ptolemaic Dynasty.

* Jonathan Stroud's The Bartimaeus Trilogy.

* Ptolemy appears as a character in Mary Renault's novels Fire From Heaven, The Persian Boy, and Funeral Games. He also appears in her non-fiction work The Nature of Alexander.

* Ptolemy is one of the minor characters in the historical novel Roxana Romance by A. J. Cave with the Hellenic spelling of Ptolemaios.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/...
thanks adam


Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 1:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
SO THE WHITE MAN PUT HIS GOD in with ours and when it was time for worship we worshiped this false god ,ptolemy set into laws that the people could not build any temples to worship their god( my ancestry)so they ended up worshiping this white mans false god and following his way of life and his teachings because in order to control their bodys that had to control there minds through worshiping of a false god and if you got caught worshiping the real gods youd be punishes What was the price they paid for refusal....these priests and priestesses, these black brothers and sisters who refused to capitulate to the disrepectful request made of them by the white savage Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR)?

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 2:44PM
DAVID JOHNSON
IS THIS IN THE BOOK OF DANIELS ?
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 2:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Have youever seen two fighters throw a punch at the same time and knock each other out? That would be David and Adam (our 'savage' in residence). The material you have just posted is "knock-out material" of commensurate stature. You both get an A+ on what you've jut posted. You also get an A+ for your interpretation of the information.....and I'm telling the both of you now.....I'm stealing that stuff. You guys are goood (smile). As Mr T. would say...."I pity the fool' that comes up against either of you in a debate. You're going to say the name 'Soter' and they are going to cock their heads to the side with a quisitive look on their faces....and that's when you're going to know ....they don't have the slightest clue of what youre talking about.....why? They've never been introduced to the 'historical record'.....only 'religious tradition'; that's like someone who only knows arithmetic going up against someone who's mastered calculus and physics.....THERE IS NO COMPETITION. This is the very reason the historical record is never TAUGHT; it exists as you all have seen for your very own selves, with your very own eyes.....BUT YOU WERE NEVER TAUGHT IT! That's called 'HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT'. This is what must know. All of the correct, accurate, precise answers are there....but if there is no one qualified to show you ....YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT, and you will go from the cradle to the grave not knowing........but not if I can help it....and I will. David and Adam....i don't know how you guys are finding this stuff much of which I've never seen myself....but I thank you both....for adding to my collection.....I'm taking all of it. That stuff is priceless. I confess...I'm gett'n a little jealous over here. You guys are posting some 'hay makers'. Pardon me as I download that stuff. Need it for a class I'm teaching on Monday. You guys are research beasts. Loooooove it.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 4:12PM
Christine Govenor
It get's good tonight, very good....all of you....take solace in the fact that you are closing in on the very beginnings of the bible. Without this foundation you would always be suspended in 'thin air'. We don't do 'thin air' and 'Most Highs'; as responsible human beings with no ulterior motives and no hidden adenda, we do the 'historical record'....and we take no prisoners. That is your creed. Live by it. Your relationship with God is a personal one and should never be discussed or debated as that is not what we are here o debate because as i have just intimated, that is personal affair between your creator and yourself. We are here to bring Truth to our lives as it is what we value most (this is an African cultural imperative), and to the lives of those looking for it....and I can assure you .....there are many....multitudes. But you cannot furnish them with what you do not yet possess in full. This and only this is our goal. Stay the course.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 4:23PM
Christine Govenor
5.1 Formative elements of Hermetism.

the Hermetical lament

"A time will come, when it will seem that in vain the Egyptians have honoured their gods with pious mind and with assiduous service. All their holy worship will fail inefficaciously, will be deprived of its fruit. The gods leaving the Earth will go back to heaven ; they will abandon Egypt ; this land, once the home of sacred liturgies, will be widowed of its gods and no longer profit from their presence. Strangers will fill this country, and not only will there no longer be care for religious observances, but, a yet more painful thing, it will be laid down under so-called laws, under pain of punishments, that all must abstain from acts of piety or cult towards the gods. Then this very holy land, home of sanctuaries and temple, will be all covered with tombs and the dead. O Egypt, Egypt, of your cults only fables will remain and later, your children will no longer believe in them ; nothing will be left but words carved in stone to tell of your pious exploits."
Asclepius, 24.

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/hermes2.htm...

A very interesting site I've only begun to explore. Here is the main page:

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/preface.htm

At he bottom of the page is the link to search, which I did for Ptolemy Soter. Too much to post here, but lots to explore. I'm going to see where this quote from Asclepius leads.

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 5:38PM
Adam Fate
NOW WE GET TO THE GOOD PART ! RELIGION,,,,,RELIGIOSITY ,,,,,,WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING GOD ! this,,, should teach.. what you think you ... KNOW ABOUT THE GOD YOU SERVE LETS look back at THE HISTORY OF THIS TEACHING MOMENT if you look at the blogs they have changed to gaining the knowledge of truth before it was information and new now the study has changed ! the BIA shake up ,,I TOLD YOU THINGS WOULD CHANGES AROUND HERE ,,READ SOME OF THE BLOGS THAT HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY THIS ,,,, THINKING,,, I CAN ,,SEEK(THE TRUTH ),,,, DISRUPT(BELIEF ) ,,,,AND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DESTROY ,,
THE MIND SET OF THE SLAVE,,,,,BUILDING A NATION OF TRUTH !

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 6:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Now we get to the nitty gitty. I have been saying to anybody who wanted to question faith that through the many translations, we don't know what God, Jesus, Paul matthew, Mark Luke, Judas, John or any of the others "AKA) "Also known as) " said or if they said anything. I wish some of those who asked me to teach Blacks in the bible and then told me I was crazy because I said according to the text they held holy, said that he was. I can hardly wait.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 7:17PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
If we build a nation of truth, we won't need the interlopers to give us S. Carolina to Canada and establish borders. Truth will do just that. Once the house of cards (Ignorance) tumbles, it ill all be our. It is already mine.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 7:21PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely important discovery includes a large number of primary Gnostic scriptures -- texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy" -- scriptures such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, and the Gospel of Truth.

Was my quote/link to this deemed irrelevant? Was it intentionally deleted? If so, why?

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 9:40PM
Adam Fate
@ David


You basically said it all.


@ Thomasina

Vengeance will be yours in it's utter entirety....youve my word on that.



@David...i'm unaware of any of your posts being deleted, but if they referred to the so-called Gospels....then I would highly suggest you wait on that period as you will find long before we arrive there they will be even unnecessary to mention. What can exist, stand....on top of a lie. Travel with me up the timeline I have exposed you to. Jumping in fornt of it with assumed notions about history will only confuse you. Everything you thinkyou know will only serve to confuse you. I am preparing aleeson plan for my Monday class. When I am done ....I will post....in an explanatory fashion.We will be moving at an appreciable speed. In the meantime.....CONSIDER ALL THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED THAT YOU HITHER TO DID NOT KNOW. MEASURE THAT AGAINST THE THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE REVEALED TO YOU....AND IT PAILS IN COMPARISON. WE JUST HADTO LAY THE GROUNDWORK IN ORDER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS COME. YOUR TIME HASNOT BEEN WAISTED...I CAN ASSURE YOU.


IN A WHILE.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 10:57PM
Christine Govenor
Christine,

No, it was a quote about Egypt from Asclepius 21-29 in the Nag Hammadi Library, which I found while still looking for information on what happened to the Egyptian priests who didn't go along with Soter. A Gnostic lament for the lost culture of Egypt, as I took it. Hence, I thought, of interest.

Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 11:48PM
Adam Fate
lets all stop and wait for the lesson to start !
Christiane this the point we stop and read everything we have been through !
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 11:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
As you read this I am preparing to post
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 4:31AM
Christine Govenor
The closing down of our Ancestors sacred temples during the reign of Soter, Ptolemy I. completely eliminated the last of the pharaonic sacred institutions of Ancient Egypt. This was the beginning of the the erosion of the Spiritual unity that the Ancient Egyptian priesthood had tried to keep in place in Egypt during this time.

The passing of this law forced the priests and priestesses TO USE THEIR HOMES for Spiritual purposes. The law stayed in effect until the time of the Roman ruler Justinian I. NOW PAY ATTENTION.....HERE WE GO:

Subsequent to the closing of our Ancestors sacred temples throughout Egypt Ptolemy I. SOTER (SAVIOR), THE SAVAGE WHITE GREEK, ALEXANDER'S SUCCESSOR..... CONFISCATED ALL OF THEIR DIVINE AND SACRED INSPIRED WRITINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN ON PAPYRUS SCROLLS, AND PROCEEDED TO STORE THEM IN THE ONE REMAINING TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT!!!. THIS WAS THE TEMPLE WHERE HIS IMAGE HAD BEEN MADE INTO THE PAGAN GOD SERAPIS. Every Ptolemy ruler, and later Roman rulers, of Egypt sat on the throne AS THE VICAR OF SERAPIS. It was Ptolemy I. Soter's grandson, Ptolemy III. Euergetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_III_Euergetes) who BUILT THE SERAPEUM TEMPLE AND ANNEX BUILDING IN ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT (THE LAND OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS) IN 240BCE (read in full the link I just posted and tell me who built the Serapeum). Would you like to see the Serapeum? Ok....here it is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapeum), though I myself prefer the more dramatic photos of this 'shrine' built by the white savage grandson of the white savage Soter on our sacred Ancestral lands in Africa, in honor of a white God that was created in Africa because white people from Greece (now settling in and occupying the land of lower Egypt) felt that God, in the person of Osiris, racially represented in the image of the first branch of humanity, the African race...the Black race...... did not reflect their phenotype (their racial image as pale people, white people). It is this ode to white supremacy on the land of our sacred Ancestors that caused these / this building to come into existence. This a matter of the historical record that does not require faith\or belief.. These are the facts as they happened, Look at this history produced from RACISM.

http://urlm.in/gair

http://urlm.in/gais

http://urlm.in/gait
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 5:28AM
Christine Govenor
From here on out....you get the juicy tid-bits
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 5:30AM
Christine Govenor
(mythology is cool) religion.... YES!... sorry for the interruption
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 8:19AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Adam, did you find out what happened to your post?
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 12:32PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Thomasena, it was an excerpt found here:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/asclep.html

You will need to scroll down a little ways until you see the word Egypt. I am still looking at the material here, as bears on the origin of the Christians. I suspect Christianity came out of Alexandria, not Palestine. I am following the clues.

Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 12:49PM
Adam Fate
A serapeum is a temple or other religious institution dedicated to the syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god Serapis, who combined aspects of Osiris and Apis in a humanized form that was accepted by the Ptolemaic Greeks of Alexandria. There were several such religious centers, each of which was a serapeion (Greek: Σεραπεῖον) or, in its Latinized form, a serapeum ("seh-rah-peh-um").
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 12:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
You are right. Palestne is late comer.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 12:59PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
The Serapeum of Alexandria in Ptolemaic Egypt was a temple built by Ptolemy III (reigned 246–222 BCE) and dedicated to Serapis, the syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god who was made the protector of Alexandria. By all detailed accounts, the Serapeum was the largest and most magnificent of all temples in the Greek quarter of Alexandria. Besides the image of the god, the temple precinct housed an offshoot collection of the great Library of Alexandria.[1][2] The geographer Strabo tells that this stood in the west of the city. Nothing now remains above ground.

Excavations at the site of the column of Diocletian in 1944 yielded the foundation deposits of the Temple of Serapis. These are two sets of ten plaques, one each of gold, of silver, of bronze, of faience, of sun-dried Nile mud, and five of opaque glass.[3] The inscription that Ptolemy III Euergetes built the Serapeion, in Greek and hieroglyphs, marks all plaques; evidence suggests that Parmeniskos was assigned as architect.[4] The foundation deposits of a temple dedicated to Harpocrates from the reign of Ptolemy IV were also found within the enclosure walls.[5]
Subterranean galleries beneath the temple were most probably the site of the mysteries of Serapis. In 1895, a black diorite statue representing Serapis in his Apis bull incarnation with the sun-disk between his horns was found at the site; an inscription dates it to the reign of Hadrian (117-38).
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 1:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ptolemaic Egypt began when Ptolemy I Soter declared himself Pharaoh of Egypt in 305 BC and ended with the death of queen Cleopatra of Egypt and the Roman conquest in 30 BC. The Ptolemaic Kingdom was a powerful Hellenistic state, extending from southern Syria in the east, to Cyrene to the west, and south to the frontier with Nubia. Alexandria became the capital city and a center of Greek culture and trade. To gain recognition by the native Egyptian populace, they named themselves as the successors to the Pharaohs. The later Ptolemies took on Egyptian traditions, had themselves portrayed on public monuments in Egyptian style and dress, and participated in Egyptian religious life.[1][2] Hellenistic culture continued to thrive in Egypt well after the Muslim conquest. The Ptolemies faced rebellions of native Egyptians often caused by an unwanted regime and were involved in foreign and civil wars that led to the decline of the kingdom and its annexation by Rome.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 1:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
It is late in the 4th century AD and Zachary, a young Greek from Alexandria, has decided to become a hermit. Spurned in love, he ventures to the fringe of the desert to join a colony of Christians. At the colony, Zachary learns from a fascinating mix of individuals who help him take his first steps on the road to spiritual perfection. But an untimely return to Alexandria to join in an attack on a pagan temple pulls him off course, and he falls victim to anger, drunkenness and lechery. Agonised with remorse for his sins, Zachary sets out alone into the deepest desert to wager his very life against his hope of salvation.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 1:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Don't go so fast; there is a political side to this and the God part is to creat fear to control the rebels and to help in the conquest. Hang in there; Christine is not through. It WILL be good.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 1:35PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
I DONT WANT TO GO PASS THE STUDY BUT I HAVE UNCOVERED A LOT OF INFO
however with respect to christine i will hold up and let her teach ! we must stat the course
and not jump the gun or go too far !
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 1:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thomasena, that bridge was meant to be destroyed, by the canonization of the bible and the destruction of contrary records. But their destruction was not complete, and we now have science on our side. I am reading the gospel of Thomas, while I wait for Christine.

Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 2:53PM
Adam Fate
i can truly say the battle with islam and this study has open my eyes
thanks again Christine for accepting my request to come and enlighten the people !
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 2:57PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"There is a bridge between this information and the establishment of christianity still to be discovered."


Queen Thomasina said it all. You are approaching the bridge....but you must appreciate the road that leads to it so that, when it is your turn to lead someone back across that bridge and down that road back to Alexander and beyond to Osiris...regardless of which side of the bridge you find yourselves on.....YOU WILL NEVER BE ..........LOST. Anytime you start from an incorrect starting point...YOU WILL BE DISORIENTED, MISLED AND LOST. I have furnished you with an unassailable starting point. Never abandon it for another, unless you wish to come up against me....and I can promise you....I will pull that historically obsolete premise out fromunder your feet and you will bang your head on thee "I told you so" table (smile). Reread this entire instruction if you must, but always remember your starting point...that is your sectret weapon....your adversary is without it. He or she will be as a 'plaything' for you, a historical 'workout' for you....so to speak. Deviate at your own risk. Take away EVERYTHING I have made known in this forum and see what you are left with, that is the difference between winning and losing the debate irrespective of who your adversary may be.



Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 6:25PM
Christine Govenor
im loving it !
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 6:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
¢¾3000+ hits.....unbelievable.... in 2 weeks!!
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 7:57PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis

Jesus as a single individual serving as a single necessary kernel for the Jesus figure didn't exist, and postulating him introduces horrible complexities and unlikelihoods into a historical reconstruction of the origins of early Christianity. The same is true of all of his gang -- Paul, John, James, Mary, Mary, Mary, the other Maries, and the crowd of confusingly named disciples and apostles, and Judas. Probably strike out Ignatius and others too.

The kind of modern scholarship that begins with an optimistic assumption of historicity immediately makes a colossal category error of the first degree, completely misunderstanding what kind of thing early Christianity was. van Eysinga's article "Does Jesus Live or Did He Only Live Once?" raises this question and answers with a correct but insufficiently detailed answer.

van den Bergh van Eysinga, 1930

Does Jesus Live or Did He Only Live Once?

http://www.egodeath.com/eysingadoesjesusli...

What kind of thing was early Christianity? That is the direction of questioning which the question of the historicity of Jesus must properly lead to. Christianity was, overall, a socio-politically styled expression of the standard Hellenistic or Greco-Roman philosophy-religion-mysticism, which was an experiential gnosis.

What kind of thing was this standard Hellenistic experiential gnosis? The trigger for such experiential gnosis was Dionysus' mixing bowl, in which mixed wine was mixed. The resulting intense mystic altered state involved personal power being trumped by the feeling of vertical determinism -- an imprisonment and subjugation experience -- followed by release back into the ordinary accustomed feeling of personal sovereignty.

All the terms in the Bible have to be read first and foremost in an allegorical sense, where allegory is understood to serve above all as description of aspects of the intense mystic altered state, or experiential gnosis. This includes concepts such as martyrdom, sacrifice of one's firstborn child, resurrection, reincarnation, the Jews, the law, salvation, prophecy, repentance, heaven, death, eternal life, king, possession, demons, healing, the end of time, and kingdom of God.

The Dutch Radical Critics focused on questioning the historicity of the two main pillars for the literalist error: Jesus and Paul, "the evangelist". The correct view of the nature of Christianity, of what Christianity was about, is an emperor-worship styled set of metaphors for intense mystic-state experiences, concerning the experience of mystic death and entering into the more lasting, stable, imperishable mode of transformed thinking about the nature of self and self-power -- rather than a literalist big bang miracle of bodily resurrection and going to heaven upon literal bodily death.

Starting with the axiomatic assumption that Christianity was metaphor for Dionysian intense altered-state experiencing, the simplest assumption to start with is that all the Bible figures are mythic allegorical figures, including Jesus, Paul, Mary "John" Magdalene, Peter, James, the Virgin Mary, and the apostles.

It's much easier to list the Bible characters who *are* based on a single historical individual serving as a lone kernel, than to list the characters who are essentially mythical and are only very loosely based on an abstraction of traits from various historical individuals. Even those who are based on a single historical individual, such as the figure of Pontius Pilate, are characterized so ironically, the result is sometimes a comically inverted misdrawing of the historical individual's reputed character.

The books in the New Testament are generally placed in reverse order; the gradual hyper-reification of Jesus and crew is seen clearly when the books are reversed:

First conceived was Revelation, clearly concerned with visionary-state description.

Then the Paul figure with his writings about the mystic-only Christ.

Then the essence of John was conceived.

Then Mark was conceived, the most gnosis-oriented of the synoptics.

Then Luke and Matthew.

Then Acts.

Then the bunk, later, Catholic Hierarchy letters.

Arguments about dating the gospels can go on forever until we keep in mind that *all* of the gospels were heavily redacted over a long time, so that they all contain relatively early content and relatively late revisions, so that any simplistic single date on a gospel immediately commits the main category error of misunderstanding what kind of thing Christianity was, and what the character and duration of the process was in constructing the writings as we have received them.

If you believe the big bang theory of Christianity, then it makes sense to talk simplistically about the date at which a gospel was written. If not, then the story inherently becomes too complex to talk simply about the date of a gospel; one must talk about the developmental history of each gospel over a longer period.

http://www.egodeath.com/NoHistoricalPaul.h...


Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:28PM
Adam Fate
what is this adam ??
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Waiting for Christine, but in the mean time working from the other direction back towards the Egyptian beginnings. Serapis became associated with Dionysus, who became associated with gnosis, etc. Eventually we will end up back where we started, with Christine's links to Walter Williams.

Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:46PM
Adam Fate
lets see what direction she wants to go in i will call her and see !
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:58PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"It is better to identify Osiris with Dionysus and Serapis with Osiris, who received this appellation at the time when he changed his nature. For this reason Serapis is a god of all peoples in common, even as Osiris is; and this they who have participated in the holy rites well know.” - Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:58PM
Adam Fate
okay
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 4:59PM
Adam Fate
oooo cna't wait until we get to christianity.... but there's alot to get to first.... Im patient! Right now... Im reading on the Rastafarian Religion!!
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 5:09PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
its all good lets study and be good students so when the teacher shows up we will be ready
its a beautiful thing when we can learn in one accord !
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 5:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Adam was correct...he successfully reached 'Dionysus', on his own. David is correct....moving as a body we can appreciate the scenic route in a much more comprehensive fashion....and all share in a panoramic view of what is being illustrated. The presumptuous behaviour of our savage in 'residence' (that would be Adam) is proof positive that once you drop a competent person down in unfamiliar territiory....provided with the proper orientation (as orientation is everything) they can make it out of the 'forest of confusion/ignorance' on their own. Such is the power of the historical record. Ok savage....another stripe is yours. Coming in the opposite direction I will be reaching Dionysus shortly. What you are witnessing is something rare, two individuals walking on the same historical 'record/road' walking towards one anonther. Adam, posit nothing else of the sort; why? Because I want everyone to see what has just occured. I am now going to lead up to Dionysus exactly from where I left off so that the seam remains unbroken ....for those who would be the best....there can be no gaps for that is where you will undoubtedly find............ defeat, and we do not do, 'defeat'. I will continue this evening. Dionysus will be waiting...as 'he' is nothing more than a stop on the road."

We have the brightest of savages in our midst. Take pride....as we do not, and will not suffer the stupid ones. Adam is participating in the return to you all of something very, very, very precious that was taken from you by his remote savage ancestors long before your great great grandparent's grandparents were even a thought in their great great grandparent's, great great grandparent's minds. Your special Truth as Black people was stolen from you at a time so far back in the distance of the remote past that it is beyond the pale of priests, preacher's, pastor's, reverends and ministers, bishops and the like who preach a doctrine which they know not as historical Truth when it in point of historical fact (as regards the historical record) as prescribed and as manufactured as any psychotropic drug one can procure over the counter of a Walmart pharmacy.

"It is better to identify Osiris with Dionysus and Serapis with Osiris, who received this appellation at the time when he changed his nature. For this reason Serapis is a god of all peoples in common, even as Osiris is; and this they who have participated in the holy rites well know.” - Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris

If Plutarch had lived in the 6th century AD he would have included in those Gods to be identified with and as Osiris.....a one 'Jesus the christ'.
Always remember and NEVER forget as Black People, as Africans, that at the center of all of your confusion and alienation from yourselve's, the universe and the very God you seek is ALL that is ............GREEK AND ROMAN. Until you understand that with the attendant gravity that accompanies such a factual statement all else which you believe to be true will only serve to keep you in a state of profound ignorance. What can a two year old child teach a fully functional adult about Mathematics, Astronomy, geography, science, medicine, religion, philosophy? Absolutely nothing!!! Then I submit to you all.....what can the last branch of humanity to enter the arena called civilization (ie.the white race, the so-called 'European race') teach the first branch of humanity (the black race, the African race, the first and oldest race) about such things which they themselves (ie . your Black African Ancestors back in Africa) created? N.O.T.H.I.N.G.!!! All which they teach you now....particularly the sciences and the maths.....THEY STOLE FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. This is the very reason why the Black African priest in Ancient Egypt said to the Greek Solon millenniums ago these very words:


"but the oldest one among the Egyptian Priests exclaimed: "Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children; there are no old men in Greece!!! "What are you trying to say?" asked Solon. "You are young in Spirit' replied the Egyptian Priest,for you possess no truly antique tradition, no notion gray with time..."

Plato, Timeus 22-23

Translation? White folks are too stupid to teach. This was in fact the attitude of your African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt...until they were forced to teach the Greeks and the Romans (ie. miscegenated mulattos and whites)...at the end of a sword and a garrison. In point of fact as regards the historical record it was Uncle Tom, sell out 'Pharaohs' placed in power by Persians when Egypt was under Persian rule who allowed the Greeks to study in Africa (in Ancient Egypt in the first place) in return for helping them to drive out the Assyrians:

"In 654 BCE, Psammetichus drove the Assyrians with the help of Greek mercenaries
The illustrious names of Psammetichus, Necho, and Amasis, of the 26th dynasty in Sais, are known to every reader of Herodotus. on one hand, these kings rewarded the Greeks, by allowing them to learn in Egypt, which was the direct cause of the sudden appearance of 'Greek Minds'."


Black people. The white man stole your knowledge and has been impersonating you on the world stage ever since....and doing a very poor job of it I might add.
What is scary however is how quickly we are willing to take our cue from them as legitimate purveyors of anything else other than the death and destruction they have heaped upon the world ever since the time of the arrival. The walls we constructed to keep them locked up in the Caucasus regions (from whence they recieved the nomenclature 'Caucasian') is another part of the historical record few will ever be introduced to (http://urlm.in/gara). There are savages in your midst with nice haircuts and high priced slaves of all colors (of which you may very well be one)....but they are savages nonetheless I can assure you:

"I have also known that Herodotus and others ascribe the ORIGIN of GEOMETRY to the Egyptian, but the period when it commenced is uncertain. Anticledes PRETENDS that Merois was the first to lay down the elements of that science, which he says was perfected by Pythagoras; but the latter observation is merely the result of the vanity of the Greeks which CLAIMED for their countrymen (as in the case of Thales, and other instances) the credit of enlightening a people on the very subject which THEY HAD VISITED EGYPT FOR THE PURPOSE OF STUDYING"

THE ANCIENT HISTORY, Sir J.G. Wilkonson
Vol. II, p. 319
A HISTORY OF EGYPT, James H. Breasted, p.100



The historical record will whip your ass............everytime.


Now we will continue...where I left off from. The seam and the stream will remain.....unbroken.





Monday, November 8th 2010 at 7:05PM
Christine Govenor
Understood Christine. I will do better and contain my excitement.
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 7:26PM
Adam Fate
christine
hi can you tell of what this means to you a powerful black sister writing a book of knowledge and wisdom ?
YOU are a beast with the way you are flowing this scholarship this is more then what BIA needs BUT this should be the format to the website ....give BIRTH TOO !
TO KNOWLEDGE !
MEANS LETTING KNOWLEDGE BE BORN !,,,,th
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 7:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
awesome!!! great job everybody....
everyone's scholarship and wisdom surpasses mine.... Im waiting for a topic I can dive into....
But I am reading .... Im downloading all of this tomorrow.... I like to read and disgest slowly... all of this is a mouth full.....

Christine I must admit... I was very hestitant in the beginning....
NOW... Im blown away!!
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 8:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Im with everyone.... (the rastafarian thing is a lil sumn sumn Im working with on the side)...
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 8:06PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
The Sabaean people were South Arabian people. Each of these had regional kingdoms in ancient Yemen, with the Minaeans in the north along the Red sea, the Sabeans on the south western tip, stretching from the highlands to the sea, the Qatabanians to the east of them and the Hadramites east of them.

The Sabaeans, like the other Yemenite kingdoms of the same period, were involved in the extremely lucrative spice trade, especially frankincense and myrrh.[2]

They left behind many inscriptions in the monumental Musnad (Old South Arabian) alphabet, as well as numerous documents in the cursive Zabur script.

In the Res Gestae Divi Augusti, Augustus claims that:

By my command and under my auspices of two armies were led at about the same time into Ethiopia and into Arabia, which is called the Blessed [?]. Great forces of each enemy people were slain in battle and several towns captured. In Ethiopia the advance reached the town of Nabata, which is close to Meroe; in Arabia the army penetrated as far as the territory of the Sabaeans and the town of Mariba.[3]

Monday, November 8th 2010 at 8:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
i have been studying for real !
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 8:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
AND I HAVE BEEN GETTING QUITE A REFRESHER COURSE!!! GOOD JOB BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! GOOD JOB!!
Monday, November 8th 2010 at 9:15PM
Siebra Muhammad
I warn you all...it gets better
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 12:25AM
Christine Govenor
Let us walk together now...as a people. While he is here in our company the savage Adam is under our protection...as he learns...he can teach the other latecomer....'Eve'. We have our own affairs to attend to which predate both Adam and Eve by 3.5 million years. It is no longer necessary forus to squeeze ourselves into such small rooms prescribed for us by Europeans. The European would love to make us disappear from the planet, but in order to this succesfully and in totality he must first make your past disappear....this he has been moderately successful at doing so; Proof? You neither know it nor do you care to investigate how such a topic was made utterly meaningless to you. Now let us all walk together on this road...those of you are Christian, those of you who are Muslim, and those of you who are Hebrew Isrealite. If you are the descendants of Black people...then let's continue in this sacred walk together hand in hand so that we may hold one another up when the false religions fostered upon us by 'latecomer' white savages are pulled from beneath our feet and all we are left standing there with is the stark naked Truth....of the historical record. Let us walk:


Subsequent to the closing of our Ancestors sacred temples throughout Egypt Ptolemy I. SOTER (SAVIOR), THE SAVAGE WHITE GREEK, ALEXANDER'S SUCCESSOR..... CONFISCATED ALL OF THEIR DIVINE AND SACRED INSPIRED WRITINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN ON PAPYRUS SCROLLS, AND PROCEEDED TO STORE THEM IN THE ONE REMAINING TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT!!!. THIS WAS THE TEMPLE WHERE HIS IMAGE HAD BEEN MADE INTO THE PAGAN GOD SERAPIS. Every Ptolemy ruler, and later Roman rulers, of Egypt sat on the throne AS THE VICAR OF SERAPIS. It was Ptolemy I. Soter's grandson, Ptolemy III. Euergetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_III_Euergetes) who BUILT THE SERAPEUM TEMPLE AND ANNEX BUILDING IN ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT (THE LAND OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS) IN 240BCE. Today THIS ANNEX BUILDING IS KNOWN IN HISTORY AS.....THE GREAT LIBRARY OF EGYPT.
This Annex building became the Great Library of Egypt when PTOLEMY III. Euergetes I. TRANSFERRED THE DIVINE SCROLLS OF YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ANCESTORS INTO THIS ANNEX BUILDING AFTER REMOVING THEM FROM THE OLD TEMPLE IN MEMPHIS, EGYPT WHERE HIS GRANDFATHER, PTOLEMY I. SOTER, PREVIOUSLY STORED THEM. THUS THE ANNEX BECAME THE GREAT LIBRARY OF EGYPT. This refutes the lie that is told about Alexander the Greek building the Great Library of Egypt to house the supposed thousands of books of the fictitious Aristotle, his supposed teacher. Aristotle is deemed fictitious because the Greeks during the time of antiquity did not have an alphabet nor institutions. After removing the sacred scrolls from the old temple in Memphis, Egypt PTOLEMY III. Euergetes I, began to tear down the old temple to make way for the new temple he was to erect in Memphis, Egypt to honor SERAPIS, called the DIONYSIAN TEMPLE. AS WE GO FURTHER YOU WILL SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ANNEX BUILDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAN MADE PAGAN RELIGION CALLED 'CHRISTIANITY'.

As you follow Serapis throughout Ancient Egyptian history,you will find another significant development in the creation of Christianity. At this time in history (197-196 BCE) the sellout Ancient Egyptian priests (your Ancient Egyptian Black African Ancestors) began to worship Serapis as God. and at the same time giving honor to Ptolemy V, EPIPHANES (EUCHARITOS), the Vicar of Serapis. The worship of Serapis and the honor given to Ptolemy V, EPIPHANES (EUCHARITOS) was created by a new generationof 'sell out Ancient Egyptian priests (again, your Ancient Egyptian Black African Ancestors) who comprised the general council of Priests and Priestesses in the Dionysian Temple in Memphis, Egypt. This honor to Ptolemy V was created to celebrate the first commemoration of the coronation of Ptolemy V, the King of Egypt and to give thanks for the many favors given by him to the 'uncle tom' 'sell out' priest society who by now had created their own boule'/ inner circle, in service of the white savages now ruling the sacred land of our Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt.The commemoration ceremony also established for the first time in history the religious ritual called the..... EUCHARIST. THIS RITUAL WAS ALSO MADE PART OF PTOLEMY V EPIPHANES' TITLE, WHICH WAS .....EUCHARISTOS.

Am I making this up? I promised you my students would be the best....if you would be the best of the best then read this, this is what was written on the Rosetta Stone...this is the stone that allowed for efforts to be made at deciphering the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics (ie. the Medu Neter or 'Words of God') ask your idiot pastor to do a sermon on it this coming Sunday:

In the reign of the young one—who has received the royalty from his father—lord of crowns, glorious, who has established Egypt, and is pious towards the gods, superior to his foes, who has restored the civilized life of men, lord of the Thirty Years' Feasts, even as Hephaistos the Great; a king, like the Sun, the great king of the upper and lower regions; offspring of the Gods Philopatores, one whom Hephaistos has approved, to whom the Sun has given the victory, the living image of Zeus, son of the Sun, Ptolemy living-for‑ever beloved of Ptah; in the ninth year, when Aëtus, son of Aëtus, was priest of Alexander ...;

The chief priests and prophets and those that enter the inner shrine for the robing of the gods, and the feather-bearers and the sacred scribes, and all the other priests ... being assembled in the temple in Memphis on this day, declared:

Since king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, the son of king Ptolemy and queen Arsinoe, Gods Philopatores, has much benefited both the temples and those that dwell in them, as well as all those that are his subjects, being a god sprung from a god and goddess (like Horus, the son of Isis and Osiris, who avenged his father Osiris), and being benevolently disposed towards the gods, has dedicated to the temples revenues in money and corn, and has undertaken much outlay to bring Egypt into prosperity, and to establish the temples, and has been generous with all his own means, and of the revenues and taxes which he receives from Egypt some has wholly remitted and others has lightened, in order that the people and all the rest might be in prosperity during his reign ...;

"It seemed good to the priests of all the temples in the land to increase greatly the existing honours of king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah ... And a feast shall be kept for king Ptolemy, the everliving, the beloved of Ptah, the God Epiphanes Eucharistos, yearly in all the temples of the land from the first of Thoth for five days; in which they shall wear garlands, and perform sacrifices, and the other usual honours; and the priests shall be called priests of the God Epiphanes Eucharistos in addition to the names of the other gods whom they serve; and his priesthood shall be entered upon all formal documents and private individuals shall also be allowed to keep the feast and set up the aforementioned shrine, and have it in their houses, performing the customary honours at the feasts, both monthly and yearly, in order that it may be known to all that the men of Egypt magnify and honour the God Epiphanes Eucharistos the king, according to the law."


The House of Ptolemy
Bevan, E. R. (1927)
Wikipedia; Scroll down to the section where it says 'Memphis decree and its context' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone)

This is the source: LOOK AT IT AFRICANS...NEVER ALLOW A PASTOR OF ANYONE ELSE TO LIE TO YOU AND CONFUSE YOU AGAIN.
They are a sick people....that's right...I said it, 'sick' and I did not studder; sick because ignorance is a disease of the mind....and it is HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.
(http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Africa/Egypt/_Texts/BEVHOP/home.html)

When I'm done with you none of your Church going family will recognized the look in your eyes....for it will be the look of Truth....something they have never seen nor known even when it stares them straight in the face everyday as it does all of us....but without the knowledge of what you now know.....they can neither recognize nor identify Truth as you all are now able to do so. Your homework is to read EVERY link I've just posted. It gets better. Dave, you and Adam may post your extracurricular findings just stay on post. the Queens present may do so as well should they choose to do so. Again....stay on topic....everyone. You are doing this for your families...for your churches where you will be hated for sharing what you know. The real holy rollers in your churches will revile you and beg for Ponchas Pilate Pastor to crucify you. And trust me there are more ways to crucify someone than simply 'nailing them on a cross' (which the Romans NEVER did by the way).
When you possess the Truth you will see what it is like to be hated by those who profess 'Divine Love'. There will be no divine love for you....only screams from the crowds saying "Crucify her"!!! "Crucify him". You will begin to understand the personal intimate Truths surviving in your Bibles. You will truly be able to IDENTIFY WITH your precious Jesus when we are done. Now. Do your homework.

Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 3:26AM
Christine Govenor
If the liinks are not activated that should not prevent you from copying and pasting them in your 'Address bar'. No excuses for not exposing yourselves to the information I'm presenting .....on a platter.
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 3:29AM
Christine Govenor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone


http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 3:32AM
Christine Govenor
Now..they are activated
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 3:32AM
Christine Govenor
This honor, the Eucharist, became the first order of services set aside in the religious temples that honored Searapis, such as the Dionysian Temple in Mempis, Egypt, the Serapeum in Alexandria Egypt, and the Temple of Serapis at Canopus, as well as military installations throughout the land area ruled by the Ptolemies and later the Romans. This Eucharist, bestowed upon Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, and Serapis, is still being used today by the Roman Catholic Church in it's opening ritual service called the Mass / Communion Service (smile).

The Roman Catholic Church through it's teaching of Christian theology has decieved the world population by teaching the believer to believe that the ritual called the Consecrated Eucharist which was a ritual created by the Dyophysitic Egyptian 'Christians' is the 'Lord Last Supper', ie., Serapis/Christ surrounded by 12 other European images at a banquet table supposedly eating the "Last Supper". This Eucharist as commemorated to Ptolemy V, Epiphanes (EUCHARISTOS) and the image of Serapis has nothing to do with todays meaning of the Consecrated Eucharist. The question has to be asked how was the ritual originall used? During and after the commemoration to Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, and Serapis, the sell out faction Egyptian priesthood (the uncle toms of antiquity) and the Greek occupants of Egypt, gave recognition to Serapis and Ptolemy V, Epiphanes, the VICAR OF SERAPIS, for the many favors bestowed by Ptolemy V Epiphanes in the name of ....SERAPIS. TO MAKE WAY FOR THE STRONG COMMEMORATION TO PTOLEMY V, EPIPHANES, AND SERAPIS, THE SELL OUT PRIESTS OF EGYPT (IN MEMPHIS EGYPT) REMOVED ALL OFTHE OTHER REMAINING BLACK ANCIENT EGYPTIAN DEITIES FROM THE THREE TEMPLES HONORING THE WHITE SERAPIS. THIS LEFT ONLY THE WHITE SERAPIS ICON/IMAGE TO BE WORSHIPPED.

THIS BLACK PEOPLE IS HOW YOU CAME TO WORSHIP WHITE PEOPLE. BECAUSE SOME OF YOUR OWN BERTAYED YOU. THIS IS WHY YOU MUST HAVE A NO NONSENSE POLICY WHEN DEALING WITH BLACK OFFICIALS WHO CLAIM TO REPRESENT YOUR INTEREST BE THEY CLERGY OR OTHERWISE....BUT AS THE HISTORICAL RECORD HAS ADMONISHED US....WE SHOULD ESPECIALLY KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE....WHEN IT' 'IS' CLERGY....PARTICULARLY WHEN IT IS A CLERGICAL BODY UNPREPARED TO:
#1 EMBRACE THEIR ANCESTRAL LEGACY
#2 DENOUNCE THOSE WHO WOULD HAVE YOU WORSHIP GOD IN A RACIAL IMAGE OTHER THAN YOUR OWN
#3 ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN ERROR.

THEY HAVE BEEN INGRAVE ERROR....FOR TWO MILLENNIA OR MORE.

We are just getting started people...I will rest now.
#3
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:13AM
Christine Govenor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_V_Epi...
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:13AM
Christine Govenor
Read About it....your history black people http://urlm.in/gass
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 5:06AM
Christine Govenor
The link above is the missing annals of your history black people. I return it to you. But what does it matter if you do not care to even find out what you went through together as a people, black people ...in Ancient Egypt the blessed Ancestral lands of your people? Compare all that you have learned since we've started and not once have you come across any of the biblical nonsense ignoramuses would try to pass off as the 'historical record'. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TAUGHT HISTORY!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN FURTHER DUMBED DOWN!!!! YES ESPECIALLY IN COLLEGE WHERE THEY FINISH THE FRONTAL LOBOTOMY SO IDIOTS LIKE YOU THINK YOU SALVATION LIES IN DEMOCRATES OR REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!! NO SUCH ANIMALS EXISTS!!!!! THEY ARE JUST WORDS!!! NOTHING MORE. IT IS STILL A EUROPEAN POWER STRUCTURE DEFINING REALITY FOR YOU ON THEIR OWN TERMS NO MATTER HOW BLACK THE FACE IS THAT SITS IN THEIR TEMPLE/WHITEHOUSE. IT IS STILL PTOLEMY'S HOUSE!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 5:16AM
Christine Govenor
Christine,

This is like the story of Isis gathering and restoring the pieces of Osiris, dismembered by the evil Set. It must have been Isis preserving the Rosetta Stone, who else? And now the fragments are being found and put back together again.

We owe you an extreme debt of gratitude. I admire your dedication, and more, the thousands of hours I know you have put into uncovering and assembling the truth.

Your work will have it's fruition, I assure you that I for one will add my time and energy to the research and dissemination of the historical record, now you have shown me the origin. There are a multitude of threads to this story, which remain to be followed.

I hate to insert a mundane technical note here, but for the links to be activated there must be a space or newline on either end.

Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 10:44AM
Adam Fate
@Fate

"This is like the story of Isis gathering and restoring the pieces of Osiris, dismembered by the evil Set. It must have been Isis preserving the Rosetta Stone, who else?
And now the fragments are being found and put back together again."


Keen observation. Never have I couched it in such terms. Your insight is commended. Apropos...to say the least.


"We owe you an extreme debt of gratitude. I admire your dedication, and more, the thousands of hours I know you have put into uncovering and assembling the truth."


the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours the thousands of hours ..............need I say more?





"Your work will have it's fruition"


When you white man, Adam Fate are sitting in front of group of ignorant miseducated people be they Black or white, be they youth or be they elders or in between, sharing with them all that I have shared with you, and in your words are inherent the same tone and steadfastness in which I delivered this instruction, regardless of their responses, looks of incredulity, stark disbelief and flat out rejection of you and your savage whiteness; when you can tell this story under such potentially volatile circumstances....without wavering or retreating....one, single solitary iota.....then my work will have known the fruit it desires to produce whereas your presence here is concerned. I am neither ashamed nor abashed to to tell you that you have done well.....thus far.

"I assure you that I for one will add my time and energy to the research and dissemination of the historical record, now you have shown me the origin. There are a multitude of threads to this story, which remain to be followed."

Follow them Adam always and ever cautious of abandoning chronology for something that may suit an ideological preference. You now have a 'traveling pass' to go up and down the road of the historical record. Up until now this has only been the privilige of an alloted few, you may count yourself as one of those priviliged.
Bottom line Adam Fate, Black people had a 3.5 million year head start over white people who have now been on this planet for anywhere from 35-55 thousand years.
Over half of recorded human history had passed before anyone even knew people who had become white (a sign of cursed leprosy to the first peoples of the world, to the first centers of civilization) were now even in the world:

"For the first two or three thousand years of civilization, there was NOT A CIVILIZED WHITE MAN ON EARTH. Civilization was founded and developed by the swarthy races of Egypt, Mesopotamia and and Syria,.. and THE WHITE RACE REMAINED SO BARBARIC that in those days an Egyptian or a Babylonian priest would have said that THE RIFF RAFF OF WHITE TRIBES a few hundred miles to the north of their civilization were hopelessly incapable of aquiring knowledge requisite to progress....."



Bishop William Montgomery Brown
THE BANKRUPTCY OF CHRISTIAN SUPERNATURALISM, Vol.II, p.192
(circa.1927)





I say these things to intimate to you and all in attendance that someone in history decided that such an 'unfair' head start in life was just that...'unfair'. They therefore decided to 'level the playing field' so to speak by despoiling the black creators of civilization, by depriving them of their very past itself; just simply make the 'head start' disappear from the annals of history....creating the way for an illusion up held by whites (and their black and Asian enablers) to this very day, the illusion that they (whites) are anything but what they were when you first arrived on the planet; namely human beings who had degenerated to mutation and savagery.
The current state of this planet is the by product and evidence of savage, infantile, mutants who will seek to maintain control at all costs. The ugliness in our lives is also a by product of that control as well. Welcome to White Supremacy 101. Because you have worked so hard Adam at staunchly looking at the historical record square in the face I will share an exremely rarely seen passage with you here and now...your fellow Black readers will be as equally surprised as you when they read it:


Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these legends about early domination by blacks: ".....the Black race ruled the globe......the Blacks invaded Southern Europe during prehistoric times. Their memory has been completely erased from our popular traditions. Nevertheless they have left indelible traces....At the time of their domination, the Blacks had religious centers in Upper Egypt and India. Their GIGANTIC CITIES crenelated the mountains of Africa, Caucasia, and central Asia. Their social organization was an ABSOLUTE THEOCRACY. Their priests possessed profound knowledge, the principle of the divine unity of the universe and the cult of the stars which became Sabaeanism among the Whites....an active industry, especially the art of handling colossal masses of stone by ballistics and of smelting metals in immense furaces worked by prisoners of war....
"The white race had just been awakened by the attacks of the black race which was beginning to invade southern Europe. At first it was slaughter. The whites, half-savage, leaving their forests and lakeside HUTS, had no weapons other than their bows, spears and stone-tipped arrows. The Blacks HAD IRON WEAPONS, bronze armor, all the resources of an INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION and THEIR CYCLOPIAN CITIES. Crushed by the first onslaught, the Whites WERE TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY AND BECAME EN MASSE THE SLAVES OF THE BLACKS, WHO FORCED THEM TO WORK ON STONE AND TO CARRY ORE TO THEIR FURNACES. ESCAPED PRISONERS TOOK BACK TO THE FATHER LAND THE ARTS AND FRAGMENTS OF THE SCIENCE OF THEIR CONQUERORS. FROM THE BLACKS THEY HAD LEARNED TWO ESSENTIALS: THE SMELTING OF METALS, AND SACRED WRITING, HIEROGLYPHICS. WHAT SAVED THE WHITES WAS THEIR FOREST WHERE, LIKE WILD ANIMALS, THEY COULD HIDE AND THEN SPRING OUT AT THE PROPITIOUS MOMENT "

Les Grands Initie's. Paris 1908, pp.6-13




When you see movies such as 'Lord of the Rings', the above passage explains why the hordes and throngs of evil demonic minions of the Evil Lord, those 'evil blacks' who attack the poor whites are all BLACK. This is a distant cultural memory lying beneath the surface of the mind of J. R. R. Tolkien the white writer who penned Lord of the Rings. I highly suggest you all watch the final movie in the trilogy once more. We have forgotten....they have not (smile). Keep in mind that this is merely my personal informed take on the subject matter, lest I keenly remind you that the author who provided the above quoted passage starts off his quote of Schure' by admonishing us that the quote rferences A LEGEND ONLY (but oh what an INTERESTING LEGEND AMONGST THE WHITES)

"Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these LEGENDS about early domination by blacks..."


I can see why they no longer pass the legend around amongst themselves.....they would be forced to admit that it was from black people ,whom whites have always claimed were preliterate 'tribes' and 'savages', that they learned SCIENCE and WRITING (amongst many other things I'm sure as we will undoubtedly cover as the instruction commences)

Just thought I'd share (smile).





"I hate to insert a mundane technical note here, but for the links to be activated there must be a space or newline on either end."

That information was necessary....thank you. Enjoy the rest of the ride...it doen't slow down...at any juncture...I assure you.
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:13PM
Christine Govenor
christine that was powerful ! and i will be buying the book asap
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Edward Schure no less surprisingly reports a portion of these legends about early domination by blacks: ".....the Black race ruled the globe......the Blacks invaded Southern Europe during prehistoric times. Their memory has been completely erased from our popular traditions. Nevertheless they have left indelible traces....At the time of their domination, the Blacks had religious centers in Upper Egypt and India. Their GIGANTIC CITIES crenelated the mountains of Africa, Caucasia, and central Asia. Their social organization was an ABSOLUTE THEOCRACY. Their priests possessed profound knowledge, the principle of the divine unity of the universe and the cult of the stars which became Sabaeanism among the Whites....an active industry, especially the art of handling colossal masses of stone by ballistics and of smelting metals in immense furaces worked by prisoners of war....
"The white race had just been awakened by the attacks of the black race which was beginning to invade southern Europe. At first it was slaughter. The whites, half-savage, leaving their forests and lakeside HUTS, had no weapons other than their bows, spears and stone-tipped arrows. The Blacks HAD IRON WEAPONS, bronze armor, all the resources of an INDUSTRIAL CIVILIZATION and THEIR CYCLOPIAN CITIES. Crushed by the first onslaught, the Whites WERE TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY AND BECAME EN MASSE THE SLAVES OF THE BLACKS, WHO FORCED THEM TO WORK ON STONE AND TO CARRY ORE TO THEIR FURNACES. ESCAPED PRISONERS TOOK BACK TO THE FATHER LAND THE ARTS AND FRAGMENTS OF THE SCIENCE OF THEIR CONQUERORS. FROM THE BLACKS THEY HAD LEARNED TWO ESSENTIALS: THE SMELTING OF METALS, AND SACRED WRITING, HIEROGLYPHICS. WHAT SAVED THE WHITES WAS THEIR FOREST WHERE, LIKE WILD ANIMALS, THEY COULD HIDE AND THEN SPRING OUT AT THE PROPITIOUS MOMENT "

Les Grands Initie's. Paris 1908, pp.6-13
i want this book
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David...you're the knowledge beast!!!
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 4:54PM
Christine Govenor
Thanks for sharing that Christine. I too am going to read it. Here is a facsimile of the original French publication:

http://www.amazon.com/grands-initi%C3%A9s-...

Fortunately I can still follow the French fairly well. I'm still looking for an English translation.

Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 5:44PM
Adam Fate
In Les Grands Initiés Schuré attacked the old idea of an esoteric tradition, the original wisdom of the initiated. Specifically, he dealt with it the life and teachings of Rama, Krishna, Hermes, Moses, Orpheus, Pythagoras, Plato and Jesus, which he described as the great initiates. Behind the philosophies and religions founded by them, he suspected some kind of traditional secret ongoing. Unlike older, going back to Plato variants of this idea Schuré moved the beginning of the chain of transmission from Persia to India (Rama), as well as other mystics of the late 19th Century did (the most significant Madame H.P. Blavatsky). IM GOING TO STOP RIGHT AND WAIT !
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 6:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
HERE IS A LINK THAT IS POWERFUL !
http://www.modernghana.com/newsp/251633/1/...
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 6:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.flipkart.com/les-grands-inities...
HERE IS A LINK TO ALL OF Edward Schure BOOKS I CANT TELL IF ITS IN ENGLISH OR WHAT
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 6:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Edward Schure
http://www.deddyanwari.com/search/%C3%89do...
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 6:50PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Black Consciousness is an attitude of the mind and a way of life, the most positive call to emanate from the black world for a long time. Its essence is the realisation by the black man of the need to rally together with his brothers around the cause of their oppression - the blackness of their skin - and to operate as a group to rid themselves of the shackles that bind them to perpetual servitude."
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 7:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THIS JUST IN !
Dr. Kwame Nantambu

"And ye Shall know the Truth and the Truth Shall Make You Free." Holy Bible, John 8:32.

According to Ghanian writer and researcher Nana Banchie Darkwah, "Black Afrikans of ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible and the Catholic Church is hiding and supressing this truth."

In his book titled, The Africans who wrote the Bible-Ancient secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told, (2002), the author emphatically states that, "the worst lie and sin of the church was the premeditated transformation of the racial and ethnic identities of Jesus Christ, his mother and the entire people of the Bible from the Black people they were to White people, to satisfy emerging European racist sentiments against Black people."

First of all, for one to understand the truth of the above statement and accept it as a fact, that Black Afrikans of Ancient Egypt wrote the Holy Bible, thus, one must dispel the erroneous notion and fabricated lies that Christian Europe, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, have done in painting the ancient Egyptians as pagans, devils, and heathens.

Also, one must understand that Christian Europe's and the Catholic Church's motives for attacking Ancient Egypt in such negative vein, is due to the fact that Ancient Egyptian High priests were the Scribes who wrote what we come to know today as the Holy Bible. As a master-teacher H.M. Maulana points out: "Ancient Egypt from its pre-dynastic period up to its Golden Age of Pyramid building was an unadulterated predominantly Black race of people (3500-2100 B.C.E.).

The descendants of these Ancient Egyptians are living throughout Sub-Saharan Afrika, today, particularly in the nations of Ghana, Nigeria, and Cote d'Ivoire." The very first "Bible", or "Scroll" on record produced by man, with regards to paying honour and divine respect to a "Creator of all Mankind" was that of the Afrikan people of the Nile Valley in Ancient Kemet (Egypt) and Great Lakes regions of Central, East, and Northern Afrika.

The book was called by its Afrikan Creators and developers, The Book of the Coming Forth by Day and Night. It was translated from its original Medu Netcher text into the English language by several Europeans since the latter part of the 19th century A.D. The easiest one to read is called, The Egyptian Book of the Dead. This work was translated by British Egyptologist, Sir Ernest A. Wallis Budge. This original Bible was produced by Black Afrikans approximately 3,400 years before the Old Testament and more than 4,200 years before the New Testament, and countless versions of it have been written and published. According to Darkwah, the "Ancient Egyptians cross is the earliest and most sacred symbol of religion.

Egyptologists who believe they have successfully deciphered Ancient Egyptian Medu Netcher say it is called the Ankh, which means 'Life'." The meaning is correct, however, that is not what the Ancient Egyptians called it. The language from which this word originated is Akan and it actually means Life. This symbol was the Ancient Egyptians' sacred religious symbol that reinforced the cross on which Jesus was crucified,as a sacred Christian symbol. How did this happen?

The early Christian Church of Ancient Egypt adopted the Nkwa symbol as the symbol of their Church and called it Crux Ansata. From here, it was taken to Rome and there it became a Christian symbol with only a slight variation in design. The symbol of Nwka was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy King of Ancient Egypt, whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun or King Tut.

He ruled from 1336-1327B.C.E. Nana Darkwah suggests that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa, and Ibo. However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt sincethe majority of Ancient Egyptian Kings had Akan names. He also asserts that, "the early apostolic fathers of Christianity and the Church knew of many things they did not want the Christian masses to know about the background history, content, and people of the Bible."

As a result, the very design of Christianity was based upon protecting the Holy Bible from the lay masses. Until the reformation in the 15th century A.D., therefore, the Holy Bible was secretly guarded and its content was known to only a few in the Church. Because of the perceived need to protect the Holy Bible from the masses, the earliest design and practice of Christianity was based upon placing a cadre of priests between the Holy Bible and the people.

The Afrikan origin of Christianity was common knowledge among western scholars and early apolistic fathers of the Church long before the European Renaissance. This was common knowledge known by the Aryan-Whites in the past and is still known, today.

There have been numerous European scholars who have known and written about the falsehoods, fabrications, and false assumptions in the foundations of Christianity. One such European-American researcher and writer was Gerald Massey, who in his book titled The Natural Genesis: A Book of the Beginnings(1883), called the story and practice of Euro-Christianity: "the legendary lying love." Moreover, in The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalistic Ideasin Europe, Leon Poliakov revealed that, "knowledge of the people of the Bible as Black people was common in Europe and in early European scholarship. "James Cowles, by far the most popular anthropologists of the first half of the19th century, elaborated around 1810 implying that "Adam and Eve were Black." And in 1836 a renowned British orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higgins, wrote, The Anaclypsis. Or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions.

He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as His mother, are described in their old pictures to be Black (peoples). The infant God in the arms of His Black mother, his eyes and drapery white, is himself perfectly Black." In 1875, Kersey Graves wrote a book titled The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" in which he pointed out from clear evidence in Europe that" Jesus was Black and the people of the Bible were originally Black people."

He wrote as follows: There is as much evidence that the Christian Savior was a Black man, or at least a dark man, as there is of him being the son of the Virgin Mary or that he once lived or moved upon the earth. And that evidence is the testimony of his disciples, who had nearly as good an opportunity of knowing what His complexion was as the evangelists who omit to say anything about it. In the pictures and portraits of Christ by early Christians, He is uniformly represented as being Black." Furthermore, he continues: "The statue of St. Peter inside St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy is a Black man. St. Peter was a Black man.

Thus, Jesus' last words before His execution was that a Black man has the keys to Heaven." According to H.M. Maulana, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown their hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black Afrikan origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe. Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Afrikans, thus, the knowledge and reality that theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans.

The fact of the matter is that the racist and extremist European has always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Afrikans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own other than what came up "out of Afrika", Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity, and jealousy against the so-called Jewish people and Afrikans.

Also, this fermented ill-feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. According to Darkwah: "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of Blacks and Jews in human history." In the final analysis, Afrikan people must know that the "Aryan-White (European) tradition, Apolistic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500years, trying to disconnect Black Afrikans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt."

In essence, then, and in the tradition of European supremacy, "what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by high-jacking Ancient Egypt is as follows: Kill the Messenger (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the 'Message' of the messenger for themselves"-that is, the Holy Bible. The main purpose of European scholarship supremacy is "to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this great civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race."

However, the late Dr. Chekh Anta Diop (the modern-day Imhotep), capsulises the dire attempt by the Aryan-White race to "white-wash" Ancient Egypt as follows: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black Afrikan genesis of Ancient Egypt is like trying to drown a fish in the ocean."

Shem Hotep ("I go in peace").

Dr. Nantambu is an Associate Professor, Dept. of Pan-African Studies, Kent State University, U.S.A.
Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 9:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OMG!!! Im in Religion Heaven.... oh and princess ((them to proceed through life with blinders placed on them by those who would historically seek to deny their interest. No genuinely educated black woman do this. )) so true....

my reading starts here: Read About it....your history black people http://urlm.in/gass

Tuesday, November 9th 2010 at 10:18PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Christine,

I've read all the links you posted. The last, on the revolution, is especially appreciated, as one which I doubt I ever would have found on my own. It also provides access to much additional information through the link at the bottom to the on-line exhibit. Here is an excerpt here from the paper, in the hope that if any haven't followed your link, that they will.

Text 7
SB XX 14659 (= R.Scholl, Corpus der ptolemäischen Sklaventexte [Stuttgart 1990], 9).
7 January 197 BC

Athenodoros to the notaries, greetings. Below you will find a copy of the memorandum of Pyrrhos the praktor. Register therefore, in accordance with this, for Thaubastis the purchase of a female slave for Thaubastis. To the minister of finances Athenodoros from Pyrros.

Thaubastis daughter of Sokrates, a Syrian, with as guardian Apollonios, a Cretan of the company of Anthemis, staff–officer of the elite armoured troups, has declared in accordance with the decree issued in year 8, on the 2nd of Phaophi, concerning those who own Egyptian slaves as a result of the revolt in the land, Thasion, about eighteen years, of whom she says that she is an Egyptian. Thaubastis has made a payment at the bank of Philippos on the account of the king on 15 Xandikos of year 8: 500 bronze drachmas and fifty–two drachmas agio and the tax on the purchase of slaves resulting from this: 110 dr. 5 ob. Please, order that the purchase be registered on the name of Thaubastis, about thirty years, small, with honey–colored complexion, round face and a scar on the right cheek, with as guardian Apollonios son of Apollonios, about forty years, of medium stature, with honey–colored complexion, bald forehead, protruding ears and a scar on the forehead on the left side, of the street of Arsinoe Euergetis. (The purchase) concerns Thasion, eighteen years, small, with dark complexion, a round face, recognizable by several scars.
Year 8, Hathyr 26, Daisios 4.

In 197 BC Thaubastis daughter of Sokrates declares possession of a young Egyptian slave Thasion, whom she had bought from the fisc on a public auction (through the praktor, a kind of bailiff), for 500 drachma, to which was added a twenty–percent purchase tax. Notwithstanding her Egyptian name Thaubastis is clearly at home in a Greek military setting; Thasion has been enslaved as a result of "the revolt in the land." The buyer Thaubastis has paid through the bank; the praktor informs the minister of finances that the price of purchase has been received and the ministerial offices instruct the notaries to register the purchase and make it legally valid. The legal basis of the enslavement is formed by a royal decree promulgated 198 BC. This shows that the sale was not an isolated case, but the result of a conscious policy against the rebels: both the rebels themselves and other members of their family were enslaved and sold by the government to the highest bidders.


Wednesday, November 10th 2010 at 5:25PM
Adam Fate
I am back.....preparing to post momentarily.
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 2:44AM
Christine Govenor
MY MOTTO ? NO IDIOTS ALLOWED.
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 5:02AM
Christine Govenor
Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) was evil and turned the world up side down in order to be apart of history and become a god thseo sell out Ancestors from within the Ancient Egyptian Priesthood, particularly those from Memphis, Egypt); help him get the job done the savior soter built THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA.BLACK PEOPLE....THIS IS WHERE YOU GET YOUR MINDS BACK! THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT WENT INTO THE MAKING OF THE BIBLE CAME FROM THE SACERDOTAL LITERATURE OF THE BLACK AFRICAN ECCLESIASTIC COMMUNITY OF ANCIENT EGYPT IN AFRICA.
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE WHITE, GREEK, SAVAGE, PTOLEMY, CONFISCATED FROM THE BLACK ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PRIEISTS WHEN THE PRIESTS STILL LOYAL TO THE BLACK MASSES, THE BLACK NATIVES OF ANCIENT EGYPT, REFUSED TO PLACE SOTER'S STATUE (IN THE PERSON OF THE MAN MADE CREATURE 'SERAPIS') ALONG SIDE THAT OF THEIR MOST VENERATED ANCESTOR.....GOD IN THE PERSON OF OSIRIS 'LORD OF THE PERFECT BLACK'?
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
AFTER... BEING OUTFITTED WITH THE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF THE ACCUMULATED KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF OUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS OF ANCIENT EGYPT, ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAME KNOWN IN HISTORY, TO THE WORLD AS.....THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA? DO YOU RECALL THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT YOUR IDIOT PASTOR KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT? WELL NOW YOU KNOW WHERE THE LITERATURE THAT FURNISHHED THE LIBRARY CAME FROM.
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
now i see how they stole our books !
through history they have been changing the faith of the people !
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
we need to learn to keep white people out of our business if they want to help then we need to have a spot for th but i feel they should have nothing to do with making any historical decisions for the black race ,,there should be a loud a cry of blackness across the world ...
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
christine
this is price less i see where you going and man the Gods of those white savages who sought to steal your birthright...your legacy, not by Jehova, not by Allah or Jesus as none of these creatures had yet to be manufactured when your Black African Ancestors were celebrating the resurrection and eternal life more than 5 thousand years before any of those manufactured Gods were born. If you doubt me then look at the white theives as they poured over the stolen knowledge and wisdom of your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt in the Annex building built by Ptolemy III. Euergetes grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK AT THEM AND KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE DOING!!!!!!!


Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON


"we need to learn to keep white people out of our business if they want to help then we need to have a spot for th but i feel they should have nothing to do with making any historical decisions for the black race ,,there should be a loud a cry of blackness across the world ... "
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 3:44PM
Christine Govenor
stolen knowledge and wisdom of your Black African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt in the Annex building built by Ptolemy III. Euergetes grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK
Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 4:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Here's where I started, where I was before I was invited to BIA.

http://blackhistory.com/

History has much to teach us.

Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 4:25PM
Adam Fate
grandson of Serapis himself (SOTER....PTOLEMY I.)...LOOK AT THEM AND KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE DOING!!!!!!!


Thursday, November 11th 2010 at 5:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE CAME OUT OF THAT ANNEX BUILDING NOW KNOWN AS THE GREAT LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA AND THAT THE ONLY MOSES WHO HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT LIVED IN ALANDALUS (SPAIN) IN A.D. TIMES. ONLY THEN WILL YOU TRULY KNOW WHY THAT BOOK IS CALLED THE BOOK OF MOSES.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 6:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON

They still consider it sacred and our black asses are running around talking about democrates and republicans as if we have lost our minds.....we have not lost our minds.....OUR MINDS WERE STOLEN.....BY WHITE PEOPLE

http://urlm.in/gbdr


Friday, November 12th 2010 at 6:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://urlm.in/gbdr
looking inside this library is amasing
if you haven't taken the time to see it !
you should !!
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 6:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I will continue tommorrow evening. We have finally reached the creation of biblical literature. I suggest all are who are pretending they are not paying attention to this dialogue.....show up.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 8:30PM
Christine Govenor
Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Africans, thus, the knowledge and reality that Judaeo-Christian foundations of Europe actually originated from African theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans. The racist and extremist Europeans had always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Africans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own, other than what came up 'out of Africa', Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity and jealousy against the so-called Jewish peoples and Africans.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 10:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
this fomented ill feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of blacks and Jews in human history" (Nana Darkwah, ibid. page 23). Finally, one must know that Aryan-White (European and American) tradition, Apostolic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500 years, trying to disconnect Black Africans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt. In essence, what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by 'high-jacking' Ancient Egypt: The strategy has been to kill the "Messenger" (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the "Message" of the messenger for themselves (the Holy Bible text). It is important to know that Western curiosity and interest in Ancient Egypt, wanting it to be recognized at its genesis as an Aryan-White or Asian Civilization, thus induced Western scholarship to create the discipline science called Egyptology.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 10:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Egyptology (from Egypt and Greek -λογία, -logia. Arabic: علم المصريات‎) is the study of ancient Egyptian history, language, literature, religion, and art from the 5th millennium BC until the end of its native religious practices in the AD 4th century. A practitioner of the discipline is an Egyptologist. In Europe, particularly on the Continent, Egyptology is primarily regarded as being a philological discipline, while in North America it is often regarded as a branch of archaeology.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 10:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Aryan-White race's main objective in establishing Egyptolgy is to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this Great Civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race. However, the late Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese), who was a Physicist-Scientist, Egyptologist, Palaeo-anthropologist and World Historian, eloquently sums up the essence of the Aryan-White race's futile attempts to 'white-wash' Ancient Egypt. Diop: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, is like trying to drown a fish in the vast ocean!" BY THE MASTER TEACHER H.M. MAULANA.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 11:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
have you ever heard of symbolism the symbol of NWKA below was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy king of Ancient Egypt whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun. He ruled from 1336-1327 B.C." (Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D.). Picture of The NKWA (ANKH-CROSS) -Picture of Akan King Tutu Ankoma-Boy King of Ancient Egypt(Name Europeanized to Tutankhamun)- -Ethnic (Tribal) Groups and Intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt- Nana Darkwah (The Africans Who Wrote The Bible) says that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa and Ibo.

However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt since the majority of Ancient Egyptian kings had Akan names. He gives an example of the Egyptian king of the fourth dynasty who built the Great Pyramid was "Akuffu" and not "Khuffu". Also, Nana Darkwah gives the correct Akan name of the younger son of Akuffu as "Dade Afre" and not "Djedefra", and his elder son was"Okyere Afre" and not "Chephren". He goes on to cite the western scholars incorrect naming of the Ancient Egyptian city Memphis. He says Memphis was an ancient African city and it is still a modern African city called Mamfe. He says Mamfe is located today in the eastern region of Ghana of the Akuapem people. "These are the people of Ancient Egyptian kings Akuffu, Dade Afre, and Okyere Afre and others" " (Nana Darkwah, The Africans Who Wrote the Bible, page xii). -Ga-Adangme In Ancient Egypt & Israel-

The history of Ancient Egypt also has numerous Ga-Adangme names, confirming that the Ga people were in Ancient Israel (Kanaan) and Ancient Egypt. Also, one can find Ga names amongst today's so-called Jewish people. "The most popular of the Ga-Adangme names used by today 's so-called Jewish people is the name of the former Prime Minister of Israel, called Netanyahu. This name was derived from the two Ga-Adangme names"Natey" and "Nyaho"-Neteynyaho". Ewe People In Ancient Times- Around 2700 B.C.E., the Ewe people were among the African ethnic groups that lived in the region of modern day Syria, stretching down to the estuary of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

Friday, November 12th 2010 at 11:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
and the book the books where Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead. Produced on papyrus rolls and interred with the mummified corpse, the Book of the Dead was a kind of manual to the afterlife: a set of spells and prayers (in text form with accompanying illustrations) designed to guide the deceased through the dangers of the underworld to paradise.
Friday, November 12th 2010 at 11:51PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Book of the Dead evolved from Egypt's earliest funerary literature, written for the king on his pyramid walls from 2400BC onwards. Within a few centuries, governors and high-ranking officials started to include similar inscriptions on their coffins, and these in turn inspired the Book of Dead papyri for an even broader ownership from 1500 BC (until the first centuries AD).

Still only 10 per cent of the population could afford a scribe's fees, though. Most people were simply wrapped in a shroud and dumped in a pit in the desert, so we shouldn't draw too many conclusions about Egyptian society as a whole from these papyri. Were the 90 per cent majority denied an afterlife completely, or did they simply have to fend for themselves there? We just don't know.
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 11:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
this link is about the origin of religion
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical...
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 12:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.scribd.com/doc/29182854/Before-...
Before-the-Pharaohs
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 1:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David...that's some good stuff youre posting. It appears as if our fellow participants have abandoned us for lower plattitudes. I guess the oxygen this far up was much too rich for their blood...therefore I have simply decided to take a break particularly since it appears that those who presented themselves as being interested in the origins of ....the Bible, are after not as interested as they would have themselves (and others) believe. When I return at my own liesure...I will take off from where I left off. If commments appear that lead me t believe that we have a significant number of seriously interested parties I will return immediately to finish what we started.
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 3:00PM
Christine Govenor
where are we... im ready....
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 3:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
creation of the bible.... the Exodus or Genesis??
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 3:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Christiane there are at least 10 people that have there eyes glued to this blog and i asure you as i see a lot of blogs with topics steaming from the info being posted here some people rather learn and watch from the sidelines as appose to jumping in and commenting.. this blog is the top blog in the history is this website and you can believe people are watching and waiting for more !
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 3:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I'm here too. I posted a couple blogs, didn't want to get ahead of the subject here.
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 3:43PM
Adam Fate
Ok...then we shall continue as scheduled...as we haven't even gotten to the fun stuff...the stuff Cynthia wants to sink her teeth into. This has only been the preparation for what's to come.
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 4:10PM
Christine Govenor
cool... Im good... It's all good... Im patient and Im learning alot
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 4:22PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
/*
Be it known...that I too am here! And have been for some time...

Peace and Love,

Greg.
*/


Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 10:09PM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
Thank you all for alerting me to your presence as I would find it disheartening to know that such valuable and little know information vital to the psychological well being of our people were falling on deaf ears and mute tongues. We will surely continue. Cynthia, you particularly may wish to pay close attention as we are now going to discourse at length on the very item of interest that brought us all here or at the very least has kept us all here ......the Bible. I am going to show you things you've never seen before. I am confident enough to make that assertion. Shortly everyone...shortly.
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 10:33PM
Christine Govenor
My Brother.


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k510/N...
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 10:35PM
Christine Govenor
I AM HERE ALSO. I AM RUBBING MY HANDS TOGETHER WAITING!!!!!
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 10:57PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
I hope that those who are here and pretending not to be will keep an open mind and learn how people have been SCAMMED in the name of Jesus, and how we are still in chains if we are waiting for that great getting up morning for our "reward", and turn the other cheek and how we will not get through the eye of the needle if we are rich. I wonder how many know that the eye of the needle is a place?
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 11:02PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Sorry, I didn't mean to jump the gun!!!
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 11:03PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
great
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 11:07PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I didn't know the eye an the needle is a place.... however I agree... we all must keep an open mind...
Sunday, November 14th 2010 at 11:15PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Irma it started off on subject... Then Steve/Adam/?? came in with a question... so Christine wanted to cover his questions... for a moment it got too deep from me but I started reading when the blog wasn't so busy...

Christine covers everything... you'll enjoy this... blog... it's alot of African Studies information in here and yes archeology from the ruins of Ancient Egypt
Monday, November 15th 2010 at 12:13AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Thought it was Steve/Adam/Deist/??

Check out Christine's links to Walter Williams.

Monday, November 15th 2010 at 12:19AM
Adam Fate
its all good and we are going to move to the next level for those that dont know christine is here because i ask her to come and teach us a good lesson in religion and history there is a lot of things we all can learn !
Monday, November 15th 2010 at 1:43AM
DAVID JOHNSON
shortly...very shortly...in fact this evening.
Monday, November 15th 2010 at 8:48PM
Christine Govenor
Ok... I'll be back then

Hi Steve/Adam/Deist/?? ((it changes so much that's why I keep adding ??? marks... lol))


Monday, November 15th 2010 at 9:43PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
we are all here
anytime you post info on this blog it goes to my e mail !
i hope everybody has gone over the info there is a lot more !
Monday, November 15th 2010 at 9:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OK Blessed ones...here we go...as you read this...I'am typing. I've been building my brother's website
( http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k510/N... )

I am typing now. This is where alot of you are going to seriously learn and alot of you .....even those of you who have come this far...are going to get serioiusly disturbed, pissed off and retreat into denial......feel free to do all of thee above. Why? It will not change the facts of the historical record, be you black, white, Christian, Muslim, Jew or any other manufactured identity you have had imposed upon you even if only by default. I have only two suggestion and two suggestions only. DEAL WITH IT & GROW. Why? Because those are the two things they never meant for you to do. It does not make for good 'consumerism' particularly around the holidays (smile). Now ..I will Type. See you all in cherished moments. I caution you, only the intelligent will fare well past this point. The dull of mind may find it hard to keep up....1000% respect to those who make the effort to keep up. This is a matter of life and death....of your mind....and yes, even your very Souls (should you suscribe to such Spiritual anatomy as I most certainly do).
Tuesday, November 16th 2010 at 5:58PM
Christine Govenor
ok... im reading noww
Tuesday, November 16th 2010 at 7:40PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Mom, you're not going to pull a Kanye West act on us are you??? ROTFLMAO!!!
Tuesday, November 16th 2010 at 7:44PM
Siebra Muhammad
I Agree here ((Christian, Muslim, Jew or any other manufactured identity you have had imposed upon you even if only by default))....

I was christened a Catholic.... Baptisted as a Baptist... and Hope To Die With A New Spiritual Analysis....
Tuesday, November 16th 2010 at 7:54PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Wherever the truth leads is where it leads. I for one am not threatened by historically and scientifically researched data. That would be illogical.
Tuesday, November 16th 2010 at 8:23PM
Adam Fate
After all that I have posited on this page you should all be prepared and ready to move forward. If you have read in depth all that has been deposited on this page.....
you will have no problems whatsoever in understanding the things I am now going to show you.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:47AM
Christine Govenor
Present.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:52AM
Adam Fate
smile.....you would be.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 2:46AM
Christine Govenor
hands on deck ! that means im in the boat !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 9:38AM
DAVID JOHNSON
You would be
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:51AM
Christine Govenor
Thanks Christine for the many additional references you posted above. Are we to study these, oh I will, for sure, but before moving on is what I mean?
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:37AM
Adam Fate
Always take note of what is posited...it will help you defeat the lies put in place that I will expose you to.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 12:28PM
Christine Govenor
Now for the juicy stuff. This is where we learn just how wrong all that we think know actually is. Anyone may answer this question:



As far as the historical record is concerned ....how does it say the Bible was brought into existence?

Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 12:38PM
Christine Govenor
good lets go in and learn ! im ready !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 12:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Well I know it was centered around Alexandria, and that it's true origin was attempted to be obscured and has been obscured. I know there were many disagreements over what was canonical, which tells me there was manipulation going on, a defining of orthodox vs. heterodox that culminated only300-400 years after the supposed events. I know there are clues in the new testament such as the discussion of Paul and Apollos in Acts. The origin of the Septuagint must have played a big role. So I have clues, but no definitive answer as of yet.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 12:55PM
Adam Fate
Also it is known many of the supposed authors of both old and new testament are not the true authors, and much of what was written as prophesy was written after the fact to justify political ends. For instance, much of the old testament that recorded the history of Israel was in fact written after the Babylonian captivity. And Paul's letters are not all by the same person. These are just some examples.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:01PM
Adam Fate
if it is true that God wants only orthodox churches, and if the existence of heterodox churches is to be traced back to Divine permission only, it is "not a matter of indifference which church group a Christian joins."

Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:03PM
DAVID JOHNSON

If you ask on what basis a Christian must distinguish between heterodox and orthodox churches, the answer is: On the basis of beliefs, on the basis of doctrine. Only on that basis can a true judgment be reached; not on the basis that outwardly a Christian life !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
And Pharaoh Shishak (Shoshenq I) is the first mentioned in the bible which is corroborated in th Egyptian record. And there is no independent record of Jesus, the writers of the new testament or the apostles, only John the Baptist in Josephus.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:13PM
Adam Fate
Christine i want to thank you again for enlightening me and those that choose to participate in this study i assure you i will take the knowledge first to my family then to the masses your work here will not come back void !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
its time for the black people to wake up and see the savageness of those that have been fooling the masses ,,,this is our wake up call !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 1:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I asked the question:

"As far as the historical record is concerned ....how does it say the Bible was brought into existence?"


Adam responded with:

"Well I know it was centered around Alexandria, and that it's true origin was attempted to be obscured and has been obscured. I know there were many disagreements over what was canonical, which tells me there was manipulation going on, a defining of orthodox vs. heterodox that culminated only 300-400 years after the supposed events. The origin of the Septuagint must have played a big role. So I have clues, but no definitive answer as of yet.




All 'high falutin holy rollers' who were unable to answer this question should remember Adam's answer for he 1000% correct.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 4:46PM
Christine Govenor
Impressive Adam...that was an historical 'bulls-eye'. That was the answer of someone who has been doing there complete homework from a proper historical orientation.
Who's helping you Adam? Confess; come clean, we won't judge you...too harshly (smile). You've got to be cheating.....that answer was not just correct...it was perfectly sequenced as well. It was literally thee perfect answer.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 4:52PM
Christine Govenor
You should all read Adam's answer at least 10 times over and over again...as it is uncontestable, accurate and the show of true historical marksmanship. I said he was a savage...I never said he was stupid.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 4:57PM
Christine Govenor
Heterodoxy is generally defined as "any opinions or doctrines at variance with an official or orthodox position".[1]. As an adjective, heterodox is commonly used to describe a subject as "characterized by departure from accepted beliefs or standards" (status quo). Under this definition the noun heterodoxy is synonymous with unorthodoxy, while the adjective heterodox is synonymous with dissident.

However heterodoxy is also an ecclesiastical term of art, defined in a various ways by different religions and churches. For example, in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches heterodoxy may describe beliefs that differ from strictly orthodox views but that fall short of heresy.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 5:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Babylonian Talmud Megillah 9a-b: Translation of the Torah into Greek,,,,King Ptolemy,2 as it has been taught to them i ythink i got it lets see :The Origin of the Septuagint;;;;;
The Rabbis also preserved a tradition according to which seventy-two elders had translated the Torah into Greek. This Talmudic account, however, stressed the intentional changes introduced unanimously by the translators into the text in order to prevent misunderstandings or embarrassment to the Jewish religion.


now i see the multiplication of the transcripts that why it was all heresy !
AM I GETTING CLOSE ?
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 5:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.messiahtruth.com/lxx.html
The Origin of the Septuagint
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 5:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christine, it was you gave us the key of course, Alexandria. Not to simplify, by any means, the wealth of sources you provided to grasp the key. No, nothing but the store of knowledge at our fingertips, direction, and the aid of others here, in particular David, who put in the effort.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 5:42PM
Adam Fate
It appears though that the Masoretic text is based on the Septuagint. What were the sources for the Septuagint, what became part of the Septuagint and what was left out (same question as for the New Testament)?
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 6:56PM
Adam Fate
After the conquests of Alexander had brought Egypt under Macedonian rule, the newly-founded city of Alexandria became especially a place where the Greek language, although by no means in its purest form, was the medium of written and spoken communication amongst the varied population there brought together. This Alexandrian dialect is the idiom in which the Septuagint version was made.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 7:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I have heard that the Koine Greek was the perfect language for the New Testament, because at the time of the N. T. writings, Koine was "static" and precise in its vocabulary and structures, with no exact synonyms, but did have some close synonyms that had distinct nuances in meaning, and could therefore be distinguished; it was considered "static" (I don't remember if that is the exact term) because, not long after that, it died as a spoken language, so its meanings were "sure" (?) (the form that was spoken after that was considered "pre-modern Greek" (not the term they used, I'm sure).
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 7:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
NOTE THAT As the Septuagint was held in such honour in the East, it is no cause for surprise that this version was the basis of the other translations which were made in early times into vernacular tongues. There was, however, also another reason; -- the general ignorance of the original Hebrew amongst the early Christians prevented their forming their translations from the fountain itself. The especial exception to this remark is the Syriac version of the Old Testament formed at once from the Hebrew.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 8:00PM
DAVID JOHNSON
the Septuagint demands our attention, were it only from the fact that the whole circle of religious ideas and thoughts amongst Christians in the East has always been moulded according to this version. Without an acquaintance with the Septuagint, numerous allusions in the writings of the Fathers become wholly unintelligible, and even important doctrinal discussions and difficulties (such even as some connected with the Arian controversy) become wholly unintelligible.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 8:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The first of the Greek versions of the Old Testament executed in the second century was that of AQUILA. He is described as a Jew or Jewish proselyte of Pontus, and the date commonly attributed to his version is about the year A.D. 126. His translation is said to have been executed for the express purpose of opposing the authority of the Septuagint: his version was in consequence upheld by the Jews. His labour was evidently directed in opposing the passages which the Christians were accustomed to cite from the Septuagint as applicable to the Lord Jesus. The general characteristic of this version is bold literality of rendering: such an endeavour is made to render each Hebrew word and particle into Greek, that all grammar is often set at defiance, and not unfrequently the sense is altogether sacrificed. From the scrupulosity of Aquila in rendering each Hebrew word, his work, if we possessed it complete (and not merely in scattered fragments), would be of great value in textual criticism.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 8:21PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I am here.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 8:57PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch
By Russell E. Gmirkin

Page 72

"In the preceding chapter it was demonstrated that there exist no documented Greek references to Jewish writings prior to the Septuagint. Authentic fragments of Hecataeus of Abdera displayed knowledge of Moses as the Jewish lawgiver but not of written Jewish laws. The same was true of Manetho. The first evidence of Pentateuchal writings is the Septuagint itself, probably dating to the late 270s BCE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=9_7lSWFMC...


Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 9:50PM
Adam Fate
im late but here.... this is a lot of information to read and absorb....
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 9:52PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
((The most brilliant of the GREEK STUDENTS of science, such as Thales of Miletos (C.600 BC), Democritos, Pythagoras, and Eudoxos ))

Every Geometry Student has ..... knows this one......Pythagorean theorem is named after the Greek mathematician Pythagoras!!!
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Without an acquaintance with the Septuagint, numerous allusions in the writings of the Fathers become wholly unintelligible, and even important doctrinal discussions and difficulties (such even as some connected with the Arian controversy) become wholly unintelligible.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Product Description

Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus proposes a provocative new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. Gmirkin argues that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273-272 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen. 1-11 on Berossus' Babyloniaca (278 BCE) and of the Exodus story on Manetho's Aegyptiaca (c. 285-280 BCE), and the geo-political data contained in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, drawing on literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Septuagint translation, provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria's Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a late, 3rd century BCE date for major portions of the Hebrew Bible which show literary dependence on the Pentateuch.

About the Author

Russell Gmirkin is a writer, researcher, and Dead Sea Scrolls scholar living in Portland, Oregon.

Product Details

* Hardcover: 344 pages
* Publisher: T & T Clark International (May 15, 2006)
* Language: English
* ISBN-10: 0567025926
* ISBN-13: 978-0567025920

The Bible started as a 3rd century BC cultural studies grant, October 6, 2006
By Gregory Doudna (Bellingham, WA USA)

This review is from: Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (The Library of Hebrew Bible/Old Testament Studies) (Hardcover)

This stunning book presents a theory, argued in meticulous detail, that proposes the who, when, and why the Pentateuch was written. Gmirkin argues on a number of grounds for an early 3rd century BC _terminus a quo_ (no earlier than) date of production of the Pentateuch. These arguments would stand whether or not there was a viable scenario at that time, but it happens there is an excellent one: the traditions surrounding production of the Greek Septuagint. Like Sherlock Holmes solving a vexing mystery, Gmirkin snaps the conclusion into place: the Hebrew Pentateuch was produced as a sort of cultural studies project/grant from the Egyptian ruler Ptolemy II, who gave Jewish scholars access to the famous Library of Alexandria, from which these Jewish scholars wrote their history of the Jewish people. The traditional source analysis of J, P, E, and D, Gmirkin argues, reflects collation of input into the final documents, like the production of work done by a committee. (That is, Gmirkin accepts multiple sources going into the Pentateuch, but dates each of them to early 3rd century BC, on the basis of argument.) In this revolutionary thesis of how the Pentateuch was written, Gmirkin argues, for example, that the biblical exodus story was a Jewish response to Manetho's anti-semitic story of the expulsion of lepers from Egypt, and not the other way around as has traditionally been supposed.

Gmirkin then argues that the Hebrew version of the Pentateuch was translated into Greek contemporary with its Hebrew production. (Compare Josephus's later publication of his 1st century AD _Wars_ first in Aramaic and then in Greek, nearly simultaneously, as a later parallel.) The legendary tradition of the Septuagint's production in the _Letter of Aristeas_, Gmirkin argues, is actually a garbled tradition of the production and publication of the Pentateuch itself. That is, a known tradition of the Pentateuch's time, place, and circumstances of production has been in plain view all this time, but has heretofore not been recognized as such.

Note that Gmirkin's thesis on the date of composition of the Pentateuch does not address issues of historicity of the contents of the Pentateuch, which could contain accurate information concerning the past or be highly legendary or some mixture thereof, depending on the quality of the 3rd century BC Jewish scholars' sources in the Library of Alexandria. That is a distinct set of issues, separate from the issue of date and place of production and publication.

Gmirkin addresses matters such as linguistic dating, illusory reasons why the Pentateuch has been thought to have been in existence prior to 3rd century BC, and so on. Gmirkin's thesis is stunning in its simplicity and coherence, such that informed readers are sure to ask after reading it, "Why didn't I think of that?" There is sure to be a wild ride of scholarly discussion and controversy over Gmirkin's thesis and argument. This is one of the most important studies of this decade for those interested in historical-critical questions concerning the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.

http://www.amazon.com/Berossus-Genesis-Man...


Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:10PM
Adam Fate
There are many pages reproduced at my first link. Much information about the origin of the Jews (Egyptian colonists) themselves, in addition.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:22PM
Adam Fate
this is a whole different link !
see if you can see any simulates
AN HISTORICAL ACCOUNT OF THE SEPTUAGINT VERSION.
A writer, who calls himself Aristeas, says that when Ptolemy Philadelphus was engaged in the formation of the Alexandrian Library, he was advised by Demetrius Phalereus to procure a translation of the sacred books of the Jews. The king accordingly, as a preliminary, purchased the freedom of more than one hundred thousand Jewish captives, and he then sent a deputation, of which Aristeas himself was one, to Eleazar the high-priest to request a copy of the Jewish Law and seventy-two interpreters, six out of each tribe. To this the priest is represented to have agreed; and after the arrival of the translators and their magnificent reception by the king, they are said to have been conducted to an island by Demetrius, who wrote down the renderings on which they agreed by mutual conference; and thus the work is stated to have been completed in seventy-two days. The translators are then said to have received from the king most abundant rewards; and the Jews are stated to have asked permissions to take copies of the version.

Other additions were subsequently made to this story: some said that each translator was shut into a separate cell, and that all by divine inspiration made their versions word for word alike; others said that there were two in each cell, accompanied by an amanuensis; but at all events miracle and direct inspiration were supposed to be connected with the translation: hence we cannot wonder that the authority attached to this version in the minds of those who believed these stories was almost unbounded.

The basis of truth which appears to be under this story seems to be, that it was an Egyptian king who caused the translation to be made, and that it was from the Royal Library at Alexandria that the Hellenistic Jews received the copies which they used.

In examining the version itself, it bears manifest proof that it was not executed by Jews of Palestine, but by those of Egypt: -- there are words and expressions which plainly denote its Alexandrian origin: this alone would be a sufficient demonstration that the narrative of Aristeas is a mere fiction. It may also be doubted whether in the year 285 B.C. there were Jews in Palestine who had sufficient intercourse with the Greeks to have executed a translation into that language; for it must be borne in mind how recently they had become the subjects of Greek monarchs, and how differently they were situated from the Alexandrians as to the influx of Greek settlers.

Some in rejecting the fabulous embellishments have also discarded all connected with them: they have then sought to devise new hypotheses as to the origin of the version. Some have thus supposed that the translation was made by Alexandrian Jews for their own use, in order to meet a neccesity which they felt to have a version of the Scriptures in the tongue which had become vernacular to them.

There would be, however, many difficulties in the way of this hypothesis. We would hardly suppose that in a space of thirty-five years the Alexandrian Jews had found such a translation needful or desirable: we must also bear in mind that we find at this period no trace of any versions having been made by Jews into the languages of other countries in which they had continued for periods much longer than that of their settlement at Alexandria.

The most reasonable conclusion is, that the version was executed for the Egyptian king; and that the Hellenistic Jews afterwards used it as they became less and less familiar with the language of the original.

If the expression of Aristobulus does not designate the whole of the books of the Old Testament as translated in the time of Ptolemy Philadelphus, the question arises, When were the other books besides the Pentateuch turned into Greek? To this no definite answer could be given: we may however be certain that various interpreters were occupied in translating various parts, and in all probability the interval between the commencement and the conclusion of the work was not great.

The variety of the translators is proved by the unequal character of the version: some books show that the translators were by no means competent to the task, while others, on the contrary, exhibit on the whole a careful translation. The Pentateuch is considered to be the part the best executed, while the book of Isaiah appears to be the worst.

In estimating the general character of the version, it must be remembered that the translators were Jews, full of traditional thoughts of their own as to the meaning of Scripture; and thus nothing short of a miracle could have prevented them from infusing into their version the thoughts which were current in their own minds. They could only translate passages as they themselves understood them. This is evidently the case when their work is examined.

It would be, however, too much to say that they translated with dishonest intention; for it cannot be doubted that they wished to express their Scriptures truly in Greek, and that their deviations from accuracy may be simply attributed to the incompetency of some of the interpreters, and the tone of mental and spiritual feeling which was common to them all.

One difficulty which they had to overcome was that of introducing theological ideas, which till then had only their proper terms in Hebrew, into a language of Gentiles, which till then had terms for no religious notions except those of heathens. Hence the necessity of using many words and phrases in new and appropriated senses.

These remarks are not intended as depreciatory of the Septuagint version: their object is rather to show what difficulties the translators had to encounter, and why in some respects they failed; as well as to meet the thought which has occupied the minds of some, who would extol this version as though it possessed something resembling co-ordinate authority with the Hebrew text itself.
http://www.ccel.org/bible/brenton/intro.ht...
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Welcome Anita...pleasure to have you. I will assume you have intimated yourself with the preceeding dialogue so as you are commensurate with the historical orientation we are proceeding from. Again...an honor to have you.

At this point...most of you will began to proffer up the training given you by those ignorant of the historical record as it has been elucidated up to this point.
In an effort to avoid the 'planned confusion' inherent and attendant in those instructions we will proceed directly to the answers. I would love to play the guessing game at this point, as there are points where it will be appropiate to do so. Momentarily perhaps. Thus far Adam has posited the answer which would most accurately by confirmed by the historical record.

Adams answer: "It appears though that the Masoretic text is based on the Septuagint. What were the sources for the Septuagint, what became part of the Septuagint and what was left out?"

Anita's answer was substantive but the nature of the substance is "planted". it is part and parcel, part of the intentional subterfuge designed to misorient you.
I will demonstrate; notice the first part of her response:

"Written over a long period of time (1500-500 B.C.?) in several different forms of Hebrew (with passages in Aramaic). Little definite indication of who wrote what when.Transmitted by Jewish scribes (Masoretes) who took great care to make exact copies, counting words and letters..."

My response: In her statement there are no exact answers as reflected by an unbroken historical record, as there should be. Mankind has a monogenetic history therefore so too should the historical record. The historical record must reflect the monogentic reality of the humans that produced it, as they themselves are a product of monogeneticism. In other words It must begin in a straight conforming line....until 'mutation' occurs. To defeat a persons understanding of a subject, those who seek to decieve will introduce 'variance' & 'polymorphisms' (polite euphemisms for 'mutation', which is exactly what happened to the historical record with the inaugaration of Ptolemaic Egypt....in other words this is where the deceit began, so it is there where it must be resolved, this again is why Adam continues to be correct in his assertion....Alexandria is the Key you must unlock); 'variance' again, this is deceit par ecellence, as it is the most subtle way to dilute, and disorient.
It is for these express purposes that 'Hebrew' and 'Aramaic' (descendants of the fictional 'Proto Canaanite') are introduced into the equation by 'established' institutions of 'higher' learning. Or what I refer to as....'educated fools'. They abound in number I assure you. This is in no way a reflection upon Anita in any way whatsoever.
Just an observation of the facts as reflected by the historical record. It is from the historical record, and nothng else whereby we will be instructed.


David i love you Brother...I sincerely do but you got poo poo all over your shoes with that last answer (lol). Why? You have yet to be introduced to the nature of the emnity between the fictional Jews and the historical Greeks. I will explain. There is a competition that exists between these two parties of interests as regards the creation of the 'earliest' Bible. The Greek know that the Bible was created by them. Remember...the Greeks are not known for their obstaining from taking credit for things they have convinced themsleves that they have in fact created. Here's the historical irony. Consider all of the things the the Greeks wrongly took credit for, and then consider the one thing they did create...the Bible....and yet they remain ALMOST silent on their role in it's creation. Why? Because if they concede creating it...then they have to explain the SOURCE MATERIAL (REMEMBER THOSE CONFISCATED AFRICAN SCROLLS). So they allow a fictitious people to come along about a thousand years later and take credit for it. Therefore David....you went to a Jewish/Hebrew website to gather information about the creation of the first Bible, from the very people who have fought tooth, hand, and nail to deprive the actual creators of it, of their historical credit....THE GREEKS. Therefore you literally went and asked a Jewish source to please continue seeling you the lie that they were the ones who created the first Bible....when in fact they did not. That infamous accolade belongs to the 'subterfuge' prone Greeks. You must really understand the nature of the beast you are dealing with and the fact of the matter is that none of you do save perhaps....Adam. Poetically Ironic. He gets it before I've even delivered it. Your close David....very, but you should have never gone to a Hebrew source looking for the origin of the first Bible...that's like asking the Greeks how they invented Geometry....they will give you a lengthy answer on how they did it...when in point of fact they did not. This question of who produced the first Bible is a very sore sticking point with Jews....because the best scholars know that they did not. They know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was the Greeks. I've taught you all about Ptolemy I. Soter (SAVIOUR), and then we skipped to his grandson, Euergetes who built the Serapeum, a worship temple to the Ptolemaic God of Resurrection and eternal life, Serapis; BUT YOU NEVER ASKED WHY WE SKIPPED PTOLEMY'S ACTUAL SON...THE FATHER OF EUERGETES; THE SON OF PTOLEMY I.,THE MAN WHO'S IMAGE AND LIKENESS WAS USED IN THE CREATION OF THE CREATURE SERAPIS! LET US LOOK AT THIS MISSING LINK WE HAVE YET TO ENCOUNTER. LET US LOOK AT THE SON OF PTOLEMY I SOTER (SAVIOUR), ONE.....'PTOLEMY II PHILADELPHUS', AND LET US BE INSTRUCTED BY THE HISTORICAL RECORD:


"Ptolemy deified his parents and his sister-wife, after her death (270 BCE)."
Scullard, H.H The Elephant in the Greek and Roman World
Thames and Hudson. 1974 pg 125


"Callimachus, keeper of the library, Theocritus, and a host of lesser poets, glorified the Ptolemaic family. Ptolemy himself WAS EAGER TO INCREASE HE LIBRARY AND PATRONIZE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. He had exotic animals of far off lands sent to Alexandria. Although an enthusiast for Hellenic culture, HE ALSO ADOPTED EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS which helped to bolster his image as a sovereign."

Theocritus: Encomium of Ptolemy Philadelphus


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Ph...

THIS MAN, PTOLEMY II PHIALDELPHUS, SON OF PTOLEMY II SOTER (SAVIOUR IE. SERAPIS), WHO HAD BOTH OF HIS PARENTS (SOTER AND THE SAVAGE WHITE WOMAN BERENICE AND HIS WIFE WHO WAS ALSO HIS SISTER) LEGALLY DEIFIED AND MADE A GOD AND GODDESSES TO BE WORSHIPPED BY THE MASSES (INCLUDING THE THEN DISENFRANCHISED, AND DISPOSSESSED, THEN LANDLESS BLACK AFRICANS OF ANCIENT EGYPT, YOUR ANCESTORS), and who ADOPTED EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS is the very SAME MAN (who actually existed) that THE HISTORICAL RECORD STATES.....PAID FOR THE BIBLE TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE. Those who sought to rewrite history and confuse you,,,,throw you off of the ANNEX BUILDING TRAIL (so to speak), inserted into the historical record that PHILADELPHUS simply had it TRANSLATED. THAT is a lie and the best historians know it. He had it brought into EXISTENCE under his own patronage($). The story of the 72 Jewish elders coming to Egypt from Jerusalem is a LIE. This can be proven...easily.


"The tradition preserved in the pseudepigraphical Letter of Aristeas which connects the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament into Greek with his patronage is probably overdrawn. However, Walter Kaiser says, "There can be little doubt that the Law was translated in Philadelphus's time since Greek quotations from Genesis and Exodus appear in Greek literature before 200 B.C. The language of the Septuagint is more like Egyptian Greek than it is like Jerusalemite Greek, according to some." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Ph...





1. look at the source of the myth concerning the jewish contribution; it is none other than the...'.PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL Letter of Aristeas'. What does this word 'PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL' mean. That will tell you the nature and validity of this so called source:

Pseudepigrapha are f FALSELY ATTRIBUTED WORKS, texts whose claimed authorship is UNFOUNDED; a work, simply, "whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past."[1] The word "pseudepigrapha" (from the Greek: ψευδής, pseudēs, "FALSE" and ἐπιγραφή, epigraphē, "inscription"; see the related epigraphy) is the plural of "pseudepigraphon"



2. IF 'HEBREW ELDERS STRICTLY 'FROM JERUSALEM 'TRANSLATED' THE SEPTUAGINT INTO EXISTENCE THEN WHY DOES THE ABOVE PASSAGE SAY:
"The language of the Septuagint is more like Egyptian Greek than it is like Jerusalemite Greek".


THEREFORE WHEN READING THE ABOVE ALL THAT CAN BE VALIDATED BY THE HISTORICAL RECORD IS THAT THE SEPTUAGINT CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN ALEXANDRIA AT THE BEHEST AND UNDER THE PATRONAGE OF THE SON OF SOTER (SAVIOUR) WHO WERE BOTH HEAVILY IMMERSED AND CONSUMED BY EGYPTIAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.


THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF YOUR BIBLES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BRUTHA'S AND SISTAH'S....AND RESIDENT SAVAGE...WHO WE HAVE COME TO CONSIDER A ....FRIEND.


LOOK AT THE LIFE AND THE NATURE OF THE MAN WHO PAID FOR YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE TO BE WRITTEN....LOOK AT HIS NATURE, HIS BELIEFS, HIS LIFE, HIS ACTIONS AND HIS LINEAGE. THIS IS WHERE YOUR PRECIOUS BIBLE CAME FROM! The historians say the account of the legend is 'over-drawn' but they never tell you what part of the account is 'over-drawn'. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT PART OF THE ACCOUNT IS 'OVER-DRAWN'....THE PART ABOUT 'HEBREW ELDERS' BEING 'SUMMONED FROM JERUSALEM' TO 'TRANSLATE' IS NOT JUST 'OVERDRAWN' ...IT IS AN 'OUT AND OUT BONA FIDE LIE'. READ FOR YOURSELF...AND LEARN. WE KNOW WHERE THE SOURCE MATERIAL CAME FROM....CONFISCATED / STOLEN AND STORED LITERATURE BELONGING TO YOUR BLACK AFRICAN ANCESTORS IN ANCIENT EGYPT.


YOU WILL ALSO DISCOVER THAT IT WAS PHILO AND JOSEPHUS WHO SUBSCRIBED 'DIVINE INSPIRATION' TO IT'S CREATION...AND NO ONE ELSE.
EVERYONE ELSE JUST MIMICKED WHAT THEY SAID...AS YOU STILL PARROT TO THIS VERY DAY. QUOTING PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.

READ IT!!!!!! OVER AND OVER....AND SEE THROUGH THE MISINFORMATION.
I'VE GIVEN YOU THE KEYS TO HELP YOU DO IT!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint




Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:31PM
Christine Govenor
OK im going back in i want to get all of this ! i got a d- today but i will make it up i im determine to get it right winners never quit and quitters never win im going in !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
im going to delete that i dont want to confuse anyone !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 10:59PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ok i will leave it for that reason
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Oh by the way...this is for those of you who'd like to verify the fallaciousness of the 'pseudepigraphical Letter of Aristeas'


"Philological analysis by Luis Vives, published in XXII libros de Civitate Dei Commentaria (1522), detected that the letter was a forgery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_Ari...
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:28PM
Christine Govenor
The Tanakh (Hebrew: תַּנַ"ךְ‎, pronounced [taˈnaχ] or [təˈnax]; also Tenakh, Tenak) is a name used in Judaism for the canon of the Hebrew Bible. The Tanakh is also known as the Masoretic Text or the Miqra. The name is an acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Masoretic Text's three traditional subdivisions: The Torah ("Teaching", also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings")—hence TaNaKh. The name "Miqra" (מקרא), meaning "that which is read", is an alternative Hebrew term for the Tanakh. Elements of the Greek translation, the Septuagint, are incorporated in various forms in Christian Bibles, in which, with some variations, it is called the "Old Testament". Significant differences exist between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint text. The Old Testament typically is not printed with the traditional Hebrew subdivisions, though the distinction "Law and the Prophets" is used several times in the New Testament.[1]
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
t, Bishop Alexander seemed unsure of what to do about Arius. The question that Arius was raising had been left unsettled two generations previously; if in any sense it could be said to have been decided, it had been settled in favor of opponents of the homoousion (the idea that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are of the same exact substance and are co-equally God; the position adopted by the Trinitarians who opposed Arius). Therefore, Alexander allowed the controversy to continue until he ultimately came to believe that it had become dangerous to the peace of the Church. Once he reached this conclusion, he called a local council of bishops and sought their advice. This council decided against Arius and Alexander deposed Arius from his office, excommunicating him and his supporters. Later, Alexander would be criticized for his slow reaction to Arius and the perceived threat posed by his teachings.[15]
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON
By the way...the people they are referring to as Jews in Ptolemaic Egypt were simply Southern Syrian immigrants to Ptolemaic Egypt in search of resources....the first resource is an 'identity'....try moving throughout a centralized government without ID and you will see how much of a resource it is. Enjoy. Eventually we get to textual criticism, text-types and codexes.....but in the end..it doesnt matter...why? Because ALEXANDRIA is always the ...........smoking gun.

If you all would like to say hello to the person who taught me how to use the historical 'keys'.....here he is....my older brother whom I simply adore, SHAKKA AHMOSE

( http://urlm.in/gccx )
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:42PM
Christine Govenor
It was then Saturday, and...going out of the imperial palace, attended by a crowd of Eusebian [Eusebius of Nicomedia is meant here] partisans like guards, he [Arius] paraded proudly through the midst of the city, attracting the notice of all the people. As he approached the place called Constantine's Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror arising from the remorse of conscience seized Arius, and with the terror a violent relaxation of the bowels: he therefore enquired whether there was a convenient place near, and being directed to the back of Constantine's Forum, he hastened thither. Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died. The scene of this catastrophe still is shown at Constantinople, as I have said, behind the shambles in the colonnade: and by persons going by pointing the finger at the place, there is a perpetual remembrance preserved of this extraordinary kind of death.[27]
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:45PM
DAVID JOHNSON
You know David...seriously, I always wondered how he died....I never even thought of poison....I always imagined a more physical type of attack....swords and assasins.
One things for sure...those Alexandrian Bishops did not play when it came to protecting their Serapis. Not at all. Not at all.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:59PM
Christine Govenor
In explaining his actions against Arius, Alexander of Alexandria wrote a letter to Alexander of Constantinople and Eusebius of Nicomedia (where the emperor was then residing), detailing the errors into which he believed Arius had fallen. According to Alexander, Arius taught:

That God was not always the Father, but that there was a period when he was not the Father; that the Word of God was not from eternity, but was made out of nothing; for that the ever-existing God (‘the I AM’—the eternal One) made him who did not previously exist, out of nothing; wherefore there was a time when he did not exist, inasmuch as the Son is a creature and a work. That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his works and creatures, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom, since he was himself made of God’s own Word and the Wisdom which is in God, whereby God both made all things and him also. Wherefore he is as to his nature mutable and susceptible of change, as all other rational creatures are: hence the Word is alien to and other than the essence of God; and the Father is inexplicable by the Son, and invisible to him, for neither does the Word perfectly and accurately know the Father, neither can he distinctly see him. The Son knows not the nature of his own essence: for he was made on our account, in order that God might create us by him, as by an instrument; nor would he ever have existed, unless God had wished to create us.[41]


Thursday, November 18th 2010 at 12:20AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Very good David...excellent. Why? The most important line in the passage you quoted above from Pope Alexander in Egypt to Alexander and Eusebius is:

"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom"




Read the following and educate yourselves people:



Arius' Letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia
c 319 CE
(from Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, I, IV. LPNF, ser. 2, vol. 3, 41.

To his very dear lord, the man of God, the faithful and orthodox Eusebius, Arius, unjustly persecuted by Alexander the Pope, on account of that all conquering truth of which you also are a champion, sendeth greeting in the Lord.

Ammonius, my father, being about to depart for Nicomedia, I considered myself bound to salute you by him, and withal to inform that natural affection which you bear towards the brethern for the sake of God and His Christ, that the bishop greatly wastes and persecutes us, and leaves no stone unturned against us. He has driven us out of the city as atheists, because we do not concur in what he publicly preaches, namely, God always, the Son always; as the Father so the Son; the Son co-exists unbegotten with the God; He is everlasting; neither by thought nor by any interval does God precede the Son; always God, always Son; he is begotten of the unbegotten; the Son is of God Himself. Eusebius, your brother bishop of Caesarea, Theodotus, Paulinus, Athanasius, Gregorius, Aetius, and all the bishops of the East, have been condemned because they say that God had an existence prior to that of his Son; except Philogonius, Hellanicus, and Macarius, who are unlearned men, and who have embraced heretical opinions. Some of them say that the Son is an eructation, others that He is a production, others the He is also unbegotten. These are impieties to which we cannot listen, even though heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But we say and believe, and have taught, and do teach, that the Son is not unbegotten; and that He does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by His own will and counsel He has subsisted before time, and before ages, as perfect God, only begotten and unchangeable, and that before He was begotten, or created, or purposed, ot established, He was not. For He was not unbegotten. We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning. This is the cause of our persecution, and likewise, because we say that He is of the non-existent. AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED; the rest you know. I bid thee farewell in the Lord, remembering our afflictions, my fellow-Lucianist, and true Eusebius.



The most important line in the above passage of Arius' letter is:

"AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"






Now....let us take both of these important lines from Alexander's letter and Arius' letter and combine them...and what do we see?


"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom" "AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING.
FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"

Now let us discuss what has been hidden from you my Black people....what you have been miseducated into thinking is this (those of you who were even aware of the African Brother Arius); you have been falsely taught that the 'Son' that Arius was talking about was your 'Jesus the Christ'; it was in point of fact .....not.
The topic of his argument was never 'Jesus the Christ', as no such person by that name existed. The topic of Arius' argument and both letters quoted from above was ........the created creature 'Serapis'. The 'Father' or 'God' Arius was referring to was 'Osiris'. Those Bishops born in Egypt, ie. Arius and Origen (remember...."His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born".......), and many others.....knew the Truth of what had taken place between Ptolemy I. Soter (Saviour) and the Ancient Egyptian Priests of Memphis Egypt. The strong statement by Arius (which was one of the main things that brought the Council of Niceae, in 325 AD into being) "STATED THAT THE IMAGE OF SERAPIS WAS A 'CREATED CREATURE' , ALIEN AND DISSIMILAR IN ALL THINGS FROM THE FATHER (OSIRIS), A PERFECT CREATURE ABOVE ALL OTHER MAN-MADE CREATURES, BUT A CREATURE NEVERTHELESS". This resistance started the Arianist and Monophysite movement against the Serapis image (shown here http://urlm.in/gcuc ) and continued with the coming of the European Arab Monophysite in the seventh century (after the beginning of Christianity, which began with the Council of Chalcedon in the 5th century AD). The Arabs continued the resistance after being taught and introduced to Monophysite Christianity by the Coptic Egyptian (Jacob Baradaeus aka James Baradai). Eventually this led to the iconoclasm controversy which caused the Council of Niceae II to be convened in 787 AD. and continued into the Photius - Filioque schism 869-870 AD. and the tenth century Bogomil schism.

You are witnessing elements of a 921 year argument you know absolutely nothing about. It is time for that to change. Arius and many others lost their lives.....sacrificed their lives trying to tell you the Truth......and idiot uneducated Pastors have stood in the way of you ever gaining a clue as to what actually happened.


Thursday, November 18th 2010 at 4:11PM
Christine Govenor
The controversy over Arianism began to rise in the late 3rd century and extended over the greater part of the 4th century and involved most church members, simple believers, priests and monks as well as bishops, emperors and members of Rome's imperial family. Yet, such a deep controversy within the Church could not have materialized in the 3rd and 4th centuries without some significant historical influences providing the basis for the Arian doctrines. Many historians define and minimize the Arian conflict as the exclusive construct of Arius and a handful of rogue bishops engaging in heresy. Of the roughly three hundred bishops in attendance at the Council of Nicea, only three bishops did not sign the Nicene Creed. However, to minimize the extent of Arianism ignores the fact that extremely prominent Emperors such as Constantius II, and Valens were Arians, as well as prominent Gothic, Vandal and Lombard warlords both before and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and that none of these groups was out of the mainstream of the Roman Empire in the 4th century.[citation needed]
Thursday, November 18th 2010 at 6:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The focus of the Council of Nicaea was the divinity of Christ (see Paul of Samosata and the Synods of Antioch). Arius taught that Jesus Christ was divine and was sent to earth for the salvation of mankind but that Jesus Christ was not equal to the Father (infinite, primordial origin) and to the Holy Spirit (giver of life). Under Arianism, Christ was instead not consubstantial with God the Father [10] since both the Father and the Son under Arius were made of "like" essence or being (see homoiousia) but not of the same essence or being (see homoousia).[10] Ousia is essence or being, in Eastern Christianity, and is the aspect of God that is completely incomprehensible to mankind and human perception. It is all that subsists by itself and which has not its being in another.[11] God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit all being uncreated.[12] According to the teaching of Arius, the preexistent Logos and thus the incarnate Jesus Christ was a created being; that only the Son was directly created and begotten by God the Father, before ages, but was of a distinct, though similar, essence or substance to the Creator; his opponents argued that this would make Jesus less than God, and that this was heretical.[10] Much of the distinction between the differing factions was over the phrasing that Christ expressed in the New Testament to express submission to God the Father.[10] The theological term for this submission is kenosis. This Ecumenical council declared that Jesus Christ was a distinct being of God in existence or reality (hypostasis), which the Latin fathers translated as persona. Jesus was God in essence, being and or nature (ousia), which the Latin fathers translated as substantia.
Thursday, November 18th 2010 at 6:37PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christianity was first brought to the geographical area corresponding to modern Greece by the Apostle Paul, although the church’s apostolicity also rests upon St. Andrew who preached the gospel in Greece and suffered martyrdom in Patras, Titus, Paul’s companion who preached the gospel in Crete where he became bishop, Philip who, according to the tradition, visited and preached in Athens, Luke the Evangelist who was martyred in Thebes, Lazarus of Bethany, Bishop of Kittium in Cyprus, and John the Theologian who was exiled on the island of Patmos where he received the Revelation recorded in the last book of the New Testament. In addition, the Theotokos is regarded as having visited the Holy Mountain in 49 AD according to tradition. Thus Greece became the first European area to accept the gospel of Christ. Towards the end of the 2nd century the early apostolic bishoprics had developed into metropolitan sees in the most important cities. Such were the sees of Thessaloniki, Corinth, Nicopolis, Philippi and Athens.[1]

By the 4th century almost the entire Balkan peninsula constituted the Exarchate of Illyricum which was under the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome. Illyricum was assigned to the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Constantinople by the emperor in 732. From then on the Church in Greece remained under Constantinople till the fall of the Byzantine empire to the Turks in 1453. As an integral part of the Ecumenical Patriarchate the church remained under its jurisdiction up to the time when Greece won her freedom from Turkish domination.[1] During the Ottoman occupation up to 6,000 Greek clergymen, ca. 100 Bishops, and 11 Patriarchs knew the Ottoman sword.[2]
Thursday, November 18th 2010 at 7:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David...choose your sources more carefully. Your source mentions 'Paul' as if he was an historical figure. This is a faux pas on your part. Biblical figure heads are ficticious, incarnated ....characters, loosely asscociated with historical figures in a literary effort to lend credence to their existence. When using a 'source' that speaks of a fictional biblical character in the 'historical' sense you have contaminated your efforts at elucidating the historical record. A true historical text will never mention 'Paul' as there was never a 'Paul'. A Christian apologist piece of literature diguising itself as an objective historical text...will mention 'Paul', in an historical sense; just as they will Jesus and the rest of the 'Biblical cast' from Abraham on down. In all of the historical record that I have exposed on this page in this blog you have never once heard the names of ANY of the biblical characters mentioned. Why? Because as far as the historical record is concerned....NONE OF THESE PEOPLE EVER EXISTED. Martin Luther tried to tell you about that during the reformation when he attacked the Catholic Church and their efforts at trying to pass off the New Testament as 'historical'.

Friday, November 19th 2010 at 2:48AM
Christine Govenor
im still here... im just moving slow.... I'll be better prepared later today.....
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 3:30AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Take your time S'star!!
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:13AM
Christine Govenor
SEE ALL OF YOU WHEN I GET BACK.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:19AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
I figured by now we'd have have a Pastor or two jump in. Probably never done this much reading in their life....they'd better run for Strobel's 'A Case for Christ'.
That stuff in there is so remedial it's not even funny. Figured sombody'd pulled it out this deep into the dialogue (smile). I'm patient. I;msure someone will slipup and go there with me....not a bright move though I welcome the moment they choose to (smile). Hope my Muslim brothers and sister's on here don't get too comfortable; when I'm done with Christianity and Judaism....your precious Allah, Muhammad, Quran and Islam are next(smile). I take no prisoners. Just thought you should know.
Who's next? Where were we?
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:25AM
Christine Govenor
Christine, do you think John the Baptist is historical? He is described in Josephus, but I'm not aware of any other source. Jesus is also described in Josephus but neither citation appears authentic. I have no doubt Christianity originated in Alexandria, but how did it come to be associated with Palestine, or southern Syria, whatever we choose to name that region? Whre did the sayings of Jesus originate? I have a hypothesis that they may have originated with John the Baptist.

This region, Palestine was in the middle of two great civilizations, and was constantly contended for. At the time of the Septuagint it was between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid empires. Is this why Ptolemy II had the Septuagint written, to gain favor with the inhabitants of that region, those we call the Jews?. Were the gospels written for the same reason?

Who are the true writers of the gospels and the epistles of Paul? Where did the sayings of Jesus come from? Do we have any clues?. This genesis of a Jesus centered cult has got to be the most obscure part of ancient history I know of.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 10:56AM
Adam Fate
I don't mean to say that I don't see the connection between Serapis and Jesus, but just like we can trace Serapis from Osiris/Apis/Memphis, where is the connection from Serapis/Alexandria to Jesus/Palestine?
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 11:24AM
Adam Fate
And I might add that now I am reading the introduction to the New English Translation of the Septuagint, and it is amazing to see the biblical scholars discussing the differences between the Septuagint and Masoretic texts, on the assumption that the Hebrew came first. And I'm thinking, where is the proof for this assumption, and how different it would be if we assumed that the Septuagint came first.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

Friday, November 19th 2010 at 11:35AM
Adam Fate
The Septuagint was also the Bible of the early Greek Fathers, and helped to mold dogma; it furnished proof-texts to both parties in the Arian controversy. Its language gives it another strong claim to recognition. Uncouth and unclassical as much of it appears, we now know that this is not wholly due to the hampering effects of translation. "Biblical Greek," once considered a distinct species, is now a rather discredited term. The hundreds of contemporary papyrus records (letters, business and legal documents, etc.) recently discovered in Egypt illustrate much of the vocabulary and grammar and go to show that many so-called "Hebraisms" were in truth integral parts of the koine, or "common language," i.e. the international form of Greek which, since the time of Alexander, replaced the old dialects, and of which the spoken Greek of today is the lineal descendant. The version was made for the populace and written in large measure in the language of their everyday life. (1)

This is of special interest: "many so-called "Hebraisms" were in truth integral parts of the koine".

http://www.bible-researcher.com/isbelxx01....

Friday, November 19th 2010 at 12:12PM
Adam Fate
Christine, could you point me to where Martin Luther discusses the question of historicity of the New Testament? Okay, I'm not trying to be lazy, I'll see if I can find it.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 12:22PM
Adam Fate
adam see if this link can help you find what your looking for
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 3:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
My teacher...the person who has taught me ALL that I know is my brother SHAKKA AHMOSE of the Nile Valley Movement http://urlm.in/gccy

He is better than even I. He is coming to this site, today....seek him out. Add him as a 'friend' if you wish to know more. All that you have learned here you owe to Him.
Never forget him. it was his sacrifice of many years of study and initiation into the Truths that made this knowledge available. His favorite teacher is Walter Williams...but he knows even more than Walter. My brother Shakka Ahmose....seek him out http://urlm.in/gccx)


Good bye....I love you all. And I mean ALL...I left no one out.

Hotep.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 3:58PM
Christine Govenor
Christine, I will follow the links, thank you. As an aside, only because I have nowhere else to ask this, may I comment on your blogs? I read with great interest your blog on MAAT HOTEP RECORDS.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:23PM
Adam Fate
Thanks for the link David, I am now reading here as well as where Christine pointed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_%28Roma...

Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:34PM
Adam Fate
Adam...you are always welcome. You have shown strength of character.....much more important than knowledge will ever be.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:35PM
Christine Govenor
Thank you Christine. But I am somehow blocked at the moment.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 4:44PM
Adam Fate
@Everyone

Adam Asked/said:

"I don't mean to say that I don't see the connection between Serapis and Jesus, but just like we can trace Serapis from Osiris/Apis/Memphis, where is the connection from Serapis/Alexandria to Jesus/Palestine? "



I never said my testimony was complete Adam (smile). I'm basically just taking a break to get other things done. I'll be back. Hope you didnt think I was finished (smile).....we gotta get David's blog 1 million hits. That's a significant number of black minds that will be set free the lies of Christianity, Judaism....and yes, Islam.

Monday, November 22nd 2010 at 9:23PM
Christine Govenor
HARRY YOUR BS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED ON THIS BLOG ! YOU HAVE BEEN DELETED !
Monday, November 22nd 2010 at 10:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hermes Trismegistus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trisme...

Hermes Trismegistus (Greek: Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος, "thrice-great Hermes"; Latin: Mercurius ter Maximus) is the representation of the syncretic combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth.[1] In Hellenistic Egypt, the Greeks recognised the congruence of their god Hermes with the Egyptian god Thoth.[2] Subsequently the two gods were worshipped as one in what had been the Temple of Thoth in Khemnu, which the Greeks called Hermopolis.
Contents
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* 1 Origin and identity
* 2 Thrice Great
* 3 Hermetic writings
* 4 Hermetic revival
* 5 In Islamic tradition
* 6 In the Bahá'í writings
* 7 New Age revival
* 8 See also
* 9 Notes
* 10 References
* 11 Further reading
* 12 External links

[edit] Origin and identity

Both Thoth and Hermes were gods of writing and of magic in their respective cultures. Thus, the Greek god of interpretive communication was combined with the Egyptian god of wisdom as a patron of astrology and alchemy. In addition, both gods were psychopomps; guiding souls to the afterlife. And there is also a connection with the Egyptian Priest and Polymath Imhotep[citation needed].

Tuesday, November 23rd 2010 at 9:22AM
Adam Fate
Despite the rivalry of his fellow priests, Imhotep's reputation was such that he came to be worshiped as a god during later dynasties, particularly during the "New Kingdom." Imhotep was regarded as a god of healing. In Memphis and Thebes he was revered as divine Son of the God Ptah. He became the patro god of scirbes, and the clerks sacrificed to him before beginning to write any work: to him was offered a drop of ink, from each document written. During the Ptolemaic period when the Greeks ruled Egypt, Imhotep came to be associated with the Greek god of healing, Asclepius. Imhotep was a popular deity, and many prayed for his help in the affairs of everyday life. The anniversaries of his birth, death, and funeral were celebrated throughout Egypt.

http://www.egyptpast.com/pyramids/imhotep....

Tuesday, November 23rd 2010 at 10:22AM
Adam Fate
"Homage to thee, Osiris, Lord of eternity, King of the Gods, whose names are manifold, whose forms are holy, thou being of hidden form in the temples, whose Ka is holy. Thou art the governor of Tattu (Busiris), and also the mighty one in Sekhem (Letopolis). Thou art the Lord to whom praises are ascribed in the nome of Ati, thou art the Prince of divine food in Anu. Thou art the Lord who is commemorated in Maati, the Hidden Soul, the Lord of Qerrt (Elephantine), the Ruler supreme in White Wall (Memphis). Thou art the Soul of Ra, his own body, and hast thy place of rest in Henensu (Herakleopolis). Thou art the beneficent one, and art praised in Nart. Thou makest thy soul to be raised up. Thou art the Lord of the Great House in Khemenu (Hermopolis). Thou art the mighty one of victories in Shas-hetep, the Lord of eternity,
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 12:02AM
DAVID JOHNSON
INSTRUCTIONS FROM PETOSIRIS:
You, the
living who are on earth, who will see this dwellling of eternity and will walk
...by it, come, and I will guide you in the way of life. If you listen to my
words, if you understand and observe their meaning, you will find that this
attitude will be beneficial to you.

Great is
the Law of Ma-at, Its efficiency lasting. The Law has not been disturbed since
the time of Osiris. When the end comes, The Law will remain.

Keep
closed to the law, Never overstep it.

Injustice
exists in abundance, But evil can never succeed in the long run.

Punish
with principle, Teach meaningfully. The act of stopping evil leads to the
lasting establishment of virtue.

Follow
your heart all your life, Do not commit excess with respect to what has been
ordained. Do not cut short the time for following your heart. To waste a single
moment of actions of the heart is an insult to the Ka, your soul. Do not divert
your daily routine excessively to support your household. When things happen,
follow your heart. The negligent will never profit.

If he
who listens, listens fully, Then he who listens becomes he who understands.
When hearing is good, speech is good. He who listens becomes the master of what
is profitable. Listening benefits the listener. To listen is better than
anything. Thus is perfect love born.

As for
the ignorant man who does not listen, He accomplishes nothing.

Do not
be proud of being wise. Consult with the ignorant as with the wise. The limits
of art have not been attained; there is no artist fully equipped with his excellence.
Perfect speech is concealed, more than turquoise; yet it is found among the
maids at millstones.
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 12:31AM
DAVID JOHNSON
AMENEMOPE:

Read these texts well: They inform and they educate. If you read them to an ignorant man, He will be enlightened thanks to them. Fill yourself with these texts, Keep them in your heart.

THE INSTRUCTIONS OF AMENOPE:

Beginning of the teaching for life, the instruction for well being, every rule for relations with elders, for conduct towards magistrates; knowing how to answer to one who speaks, to reply to one who sends a message. So as to direct him on the paths of life, to make him prosper upon earth; to let his heart enter his shrine, steering clear of evil.

2. Beware of robbing a wretch, of attacking a cripple; don't stretch your hand out to touch an old man, nor open your mouth to an elder. Don't let yourself be sent on a mischievous errand, nor be as friends with one who does it. Don't raise an outcry against one who attacks you, nor answer him yourself. He who does evil, the shore rejects him, its floodwaters carry him away. The north wind descends to end his hour, it mingles with the thunderstorm, the storm clouds thunder, the crocodiles are vicious, You Heated Man, how are you now?

3. Don't start a quarrel with a hot-mouthed man, nor needle him with words. Pause before a foe, bend before an attacker, sleep on it before speeking. A storm that bursts like fire through straw, such is the heated man in his hour. Withdraw from him, leave him alone, the God knows how to answer him.

4. The truly silent, who keeps apart, He is like a tree grown in a meadow. It greens, it doubles its yield, It stands in front of His lord. Its fruits are sweet, its shade is delightfull, Its end comes in the garden.

5. Cling to be silent, then you'll find life. Your being will prosper upon earth.

6. Better is poverty in the hand of the God, than bread in a storehouse; Better is bread with a happy heart, than wealth with vexation.

7. Do not set your heart on wealth, there is no ignoring Fate and Destiny; do not let your heart go straying, every man comes to his hour. Do not strain to seek increase, what you have, let it suffice you. If riches come to you by theft, they will not stay the night with you. Comes day they aren't in your house, their place is seen but they are not there: Earth opened his mouth, levelled them, swallowed them.

8. Keep your tongue free from evil words, and you will be loved by men. Put the good remark in your tongue, while the bad is concealed in your belly.

9. Do not befriend the heated man, nor approach him in conversation. Swift is the speech of one who is angered, more than wind over water. He tears down, he builds up with his tongue, when he makes his hurtfull speech.

10. Do not sever your heart from your tongue, that all your strivings may succeed. You will be weighty before the others, and secure in the hand of God. God hates the falsifier of words, he greatly abhors the dissembler.

11. Where there is fraud, success is feeble, the Bad spoilts the Good.

12. If a man is observed on a fraudulent errand, he will not be sent on another occasion.

13. Do not cheat a man through pen upon scroll, the God abhors it; do not bear witness with false words, so as to brush aside another with your tongue. Do not asses a man who has done nothing, and thus falsify your pen. If you find a large debt against a poor man, make it into three parts; forgive two, let one stand. You will find it a path of life.

15. Do the good and you will prosper, do not dip your pen to injure a man.

16. What good is one dressed in finery, if he cheats before the God? Faience, disguished as gold, comes day, it turns to lead.

17. A measurer who indulges in cheating, His Eye seals the verdict against him.

18. Do not lie down in fear of tomorrow: "Comes day, how will tomorrow be?" Man ignores how tomorrow will be; God is ever in His perfection, Man is ever in his failure.

If one strains to seek perfection, in a moment he has marred it. Keep firm your heart, steady your heart, do not steer with your tongue; if a man's tongue is the boat's rudder, the Lord of All is yet its pilot.

The words men say are one thing, the deeds of the God are another. Do not say: "I have done no wrong and than strain to seek another quarrel.

19. Do not go to court before an official, in order to falsify your words; do not vaccilate in your answers, when your witnesses accuse.

20. Do not confound a man in the law court, in order to brush aside on one whose right. Do not incline to the well dressed man, and rebuff the one in rags. Don't accept the gift of a powerfull man, and deprive the weak for his sake.

21. Broadcast not your words to others, nor join one who bares his heart. Better is one whose speech is in his belly than he who tells it to cause harm.

22. Indeed you should not know the plans of God, and should not weep for tomorrow.

23. An official is great in his office, as a well is rich in drawing water.

24. The heart of a man is a gift of God, beware of negleckting it.

25. Man is clay and straw, the God is his builder.

26. The pilot who sees from far, he will not wreck his boat.

27. Do not revile one older than you, he has seen Ra before you.

28. God prefers him who honors the poor to him who worships the wealthy.

30. Look at these thirty chapters, they inform, they educate; they are the foremost books, they make the ignorant wise.








Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 1:16AM
DAVID JOHNSON
DOESENT THIS LOOK LIKE THE BIBLE !
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 4:23AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The declaration of innocense.



Hail to thee, great lord of justice. I have come to you, my lord, that

thou may bring me so that I may see your beauty, for I know thou and I

know your name, and I know te names of the fourty-two Gods of those

who are with thou in this Hall of Justice. Lord of Truth is thy name.

Behold, I have come to you, I have brought you truth, I have repelled

falsehood for you. I have not done falsehood against men; I have not

impoverished my associates; I have done no wrong in the Place of

Truth, I have not learned that which is not; I have done no evil; I

have not daily made labor in excess of what is due to be done for me;

my name has not reached the offices of those who control slaves; I

have not slandered a servant to his master; I have not caused pain; I

have not made hungry; I have not made to weep; I have not killed; I

have not commanded to kill; I have not made suffering for anyone.

I am pure, pure, pure.



Ten of the 42 commandments, 1500 years before Moses

I have not done inequity.

I have done no murder; I have done no harm.

I have not committed fornication.

I have not defiled the wife of any man.

I have never cursed or opposed Neter.

I have not polluted myself.

I have not acted with insolence.

I have not stirred up strife.

I have not plundered the Neter.

I have not spoken lies.
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 4:24AM
DAVID JOHNSON
4555 Hits... great!
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 8:59AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Welcome back Steve!!! Where's Adam?? Personally I have read the Gnostic Bible... I find it abit off!! The Nag Hammadi Library.... is interesting!! David's been posting some information from the The Septuagint Bible .... It's very interesting!!
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 5:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I've got four days to catch up to where everyone is.... Powell Robert.... no female bashing aloud!
Wednesday, November 24th 2010 at 5:05PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
The story of the "Great Flood" in the Hebrew bible was taken from the
chronicles of Gilgamesh in ancient Persia. Very little in the biblical
accounts are original. The Hebrews took many of their stories from the
Egyptians, the Persians, and the Canaanites. And Christians took elements
of the story of Horus (Eygpt) and tranmogrified them into Jesus tales.
Ancient myths evolved into stories from Mithra (Persia) and Krishna
(India). That virgin births, resurrections of the dead, and gods came down
to Earth in human form are from antiquity.

The myth of Osiris has been important to other cultures as a death and
reserrection mth, the notions of dying and rising saviour and the gift of
immortality sought after by ordinary people and by kings and pharaohs and
Osiris became a great symbol of eternal persistence of LIFE and
"immortality."

Thursday, November 25th 2010 at 12:16AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ra was one of the most important god since Pre-Dynastic Period
- The only important god who was worshiped with consistency through all history
- Father and the King of All gods,
- One Of The Creators of the World along with Ptah and Amun
- Pharaohs of the Old Kingdom venerated Him as their family patron, and called themselves "sons of Ra" in official titles and constructed sun- temples and pyramids.
- His popularity in Egypt was immanent as sunlight itself, continued throughout history, even great Names as Amun and Ptah had to "share the spotlight" with him
- In Amun's case, during the New Kingdom, a composite Name Amun -Ra was created to avoid slighting either cult,
- He lives within the actual physical disk of sun, described in myth as the " boat of Millions of Years" which rises and sets each day, riding from horizon to horizon on the back of Night, and traversing during the hours of darkness the underworld where his enemies reside.
Thursday, November 25th 2010 at 12:26AM
DAVID JOHNSON
* Egyptians believed that human soul was composed of two parts, the Ka (physical soul) and Ba (conscience)
* The Egyptians also believed in the concept of akh which was the transformation of some of the noble dead into eternal objects.
* The nobles were often conceived of as being transformed into stars, thus joining in the cosmic universe.
Thursday, November 25th 2010 at 12:29AM
DAVID JOHNSON
- Eternal life was only granted to those who had a proper tomb and funeral, thus rich men had greater chance of achieving eternity - this idea of justice by modern standards seems unjust by itself!!
- The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles.
- Tombs were often visited by the family, who brought new offerings. The practice of feeding the dead continues in Egypt even in our own day!!
- Proper precautions and care for the dead were mandatory to insure immortality. - The first Christians likely followed the national customs of the people among whom they lived,
- Funerals provide hope and support for the family and friends, but has no lasting effect in determining the fate and future afterlife of the deceased
Thursday, November 25th 2010 at 12:41AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Whassup Family! Looking Good Looking Good!

Christine if you were within my reach I will hug you...you are a blessing my sister!
Friday, November 26th 2010 at 5:53PM
Siebra Muhammad
I will supplement the absence of my presence with excellent lectures.
Start with this one as it is the best Walter Williams available and it is different from the original one I posted:




Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmuX4dmLJeo

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQRG4POYLE

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1Me2klkPY


.Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mOcb8wMZOo

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QcoZkvJ4Rw

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8_li3DjLrU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Xl1xyDAAE...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AooQrLydYdw...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i1pcz1vfzU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOp-rAZT_E4...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlcEd0VbxiU...

Dr. Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buE2u9qVKcE...

Dr.Walter Williams Euro-Man's Religion 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUKaiRuE9k...




Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 6:46PM
Christine Govenor
Hi Princess.... no offense, but I don't particularly find Dr. Williams interesting.... Sorry
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:08PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
@David (((The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles))) in the tombs right? I know they buried their jewelry and gold in the walls of the tombs.... Ummm let me go read....
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:12PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Queen Cynthia that's fine, there are those who will. He is in point of fact the source of 99% of the accurate information on this page. He taught my brother, my brother taught me....I taught all of you. The information speaks for itself and is verified by the historical record. It is this man who should rightfully be credited with retrieving the historical record on behalf of his people. Many don't like the fact that he sounds like a country bumpkin who rubs their erroneous religious assumptions the wrong way. That's fine as well....why? Because it is scholarship that is unassailable. Therefore if you are here to learn and that is your primary objective I highly reccommend that you reconsider and listen to what he has to say....because there is no one alive who knows the historical record as does he, except for my teacher, my brother Shakka Ahmose of the Nile Valley Movement.
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:18PM
Christine Govenor

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXnniTcHA_k...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation-pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg331CVx7I...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation-pt.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJsJq-ElaI...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerKNBm80XI...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6Pc3Q6nTA...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZMS13_6f4...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECkUi-sbbU...

Dr.Walter Williams / Afrikan Liberation pt. 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t8n2bgdYY...


Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:19PM
Christine Govenor

"Slavery was way back then" Prof Amos Wilson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoi-5HnBlDE

Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:21PM
Christine Govenor
Rkhty Amen pt 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSv7RfAPHCg

Rkhty Amen pt 2 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW0DkpwXado...

Rkhty Amen pt 3 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOI4gblIYFU...

Rkhty Amen pt 4 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am62hJ99yRA...

Rkhty Amen pt 5 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzAOS0GIU0...

Rkhty Amen pt 6 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg8_sH71UFE...

Rkhty Amen pt 7 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxGHqLgvxyk...

Rkhty Amen pt 8 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf2K7At-wDc...

Rkhty Amen Part 1 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3l9wxOWRs...

Rkhty Amen part 2 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axv_7OcIAX0...

Rkhty Amen part 3 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgcSBiBJJus...

Rkhty Amen part 4 of 4.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD9H0PoiyYk...

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpmCzB0Q4A

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfyNxMZypMM

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7VodaAIFtQ

Rkhty Amen Breaking Down the Pert Em Hrw Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiMS4A_hb1w

Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:23PM
Christine Govenor
ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS COURTESY OF: NILEVALLEYMOVEMENT.COM
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:24PM
Christine Govenor
ok.... ok... I must remain open and objective.. I followed and listened to the first links you posted .... I found his information to enlightning. I think where I feel of the hair with his presentation... He seemed to be very descriptive for a man who was not around during that Era...
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 7:27PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Queen Cynthia, I myself was not around during any of the eras we've thus far referenced. This in no way has any impact whatsoever on the accuracy of the historical record. The historical record speaks for itself in it's entirety and is above the opinion of anyone of us, myself included. The historical record and the historical record alone allows one to speak authoritatively should they so choose to do so, just as a prosecuting attorney may so speak if he or she has the corroborating testimony of an expert air-tight 'witness'. It is not necessary for us to hypothesize about the color of the people of Ancient Egypt when references to such matters are substantiated by the historical record. The historical record moves us from the low standards of 'opinion' to the reliable, fertile, plateau of facts. In other words when we reference the historical record....we know what we are talking about....we are not guessing. It is no less a mathematical approach to the elucidation of the past than longitude and lattitude are to cartography (ie.the science of map making). Therefore all of our respect is for the historical record, not for the old prejudices of our miseducation at the hands of those who were and are ignorant of the historical record themselves. Rather than superimpose your opinion of Dr Williams on to the man himself (which of course you have every right under the sun to do so) might I suggest that you invest time and study into the historical assertions made by Dr Williams? There and there alone, in your own research will have found him to either be in error, or as accurate as I have found him to be.
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 9:24PM
Christine Govenor
wow this is a lot im going to study and report ! thank you !!
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 10:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ David

Spoken like a true Son of Afrika....keep on.
Monday, November 29th 2010 at 8:08AM
Christine Govenor
i got 5 full pages i wrote so far and i am getting a real good understanding i am in study mode
Tuesday, November 30th 2010 at 5:57PM
DAVID JOHNSON
this blog is pack with useful info !
Tuesday, November 30th 2010 at 10:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Better times com'n
Wednesday, December 1st 2010 at 1:44AM
Christine Govenor
i am studying the Christians and the Muslims wow this is a wake up call and the writings are a eye opener this blog is really a place where you can find your black history from a black prospective now this is really on going for 2010 it could last for years ,,,,,thats the concept of this information to stay alive ! thats my job !!!
Wednesday, December 1st 2010 at 4:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
First, let me greet you all in Peace! I will answer the question as succinctly as possible.
Q: what was the religion of Africa before slavery ?
A: Black practiced many religions: Animist, Islam, Hebrew (NOT Judaism) and Coptic Christianity (NOT the Christianity that is practiced in America and that is why the Muslims, Hebrews & Black Christians were able to live together in Peace). The Original "religion" that Adam practiced had no name, however if it were to be given a name it would be called: Obedience, Obey, Submit to the Will of Allah (God). That is at the root of every religion!

Q: when the Europeans came to Africa Was slavery a religious issue?
A: Slavery was not condoned by any religion until the Europeans used Christianity to justify enslaving the Black Africans. Till then, no true Muslims, Christians & Hebrew practice Slavery, although individuals in the religion did. The difference is when the Pope sanctioned the practice of Slavery and would even bless the slave ships with safe passage. The Fist slave ship was called the 'Good ship Jesus' another was called 'Holy Mary.'

Q: Did Christianity support slavery?
A: White Christianity did. White Christianity is (=) White Supremacy is (=) Capitalism; where you see one in the world, you see the other and you will recognize white ruling the darker people under injustice even though they claim Jesus. The practice of religion is NOT submitting to the Will of Allah, but to their own will. ei White Supremacy is there religion.

Q: What year did slavery start?
1555, that is in the Congressional Library. It did not start in 1619
NOTE: The Black man & woman are the fulfillment of Abraham's Prophecy (Genesis 15). That is NOT the Jews in Israel, they were NEVER in bondage in Egypt, that was Prophecy too.

Q: What were the historical roots of African-American slavery?
A: The historical roots start 6 thousand years ago with the appearance of the white man on the planet. He was made to enslave the Black man until the coming of God (see Genesis 15). Before that time slavery was never meant to be perpetual, without end. Slavery was actually serfdom or servitude were the individual would at some point in time be integrated into the society. Blacks were NEVER meant to be integrated. It was sanctioned by the Queen of England who got permission from the Pope.

Get 'MESSAGE TO THE BLACKMAN & OUR SAVIOUR HAS ARRIVED.
Thursday, December 2nd 2010 at 4:35PM
Steven Muhammad
Peace Family, In addition to the books that Brother Steven mentioned above, I encourage you to check out the book Black Arabia and the African Origin Of Islam by Dr. Wesley Muhammad, Phd.

Thanks for stopping by Brother Steven! As-Salaam Alaikum!
Thursday, December 2nd 2010 at 4:53PM
Siebra Muhammad
Hello everyone, I'm back. I need to catch up.
Thursday, December 2nd 2010 at 7:29PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
welcome back ms JOHNSON !
HOPE ALL IS WELL !
Thursday, December 2nd 2010 at 8:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Y'all really don't want me to step in this one....Enjoy.
Thursday, December 2nd 2010 at 8:44PM
Christine Govenor
yes we do want you to open the eyes of the blind ! teach sister teach !
Saturday, December 4th 2010 at 2:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
wow this is deep .
Saturday, December 4th 2010 at 5:25PM
David Johnson jr
@ David


It's about to get alot deeper.
Saturday, December 4th 2010 at 5:46PM
Christine Govenor
Steven Mohammad
You said, the Pope sanctioned the practice of Slavery and would even bless the slave ships with safe passage. The first slave ship was called the 'Good ship Jesus' another was called 'Holy Mary.'

Can this information be verified, I am in total shock!
Saturday, December 4th 2010 at 9:29PM
Helen Lofton
Anyone want to go to war (scholarship wise)...I'm wit it. Bored. Don't mind crushing some more nonsense. My people seem to have it coming out of their ears.
Saturday, December 4th 2010 at 11:32PM
Christine Govenor
Thanks Christine I just wanted to have a reference to refer to for my religious fanatic sister and brothers, who think I,m not as faithful as they are. This information should shield a lot of light on their condition.
Sunday, December 5th 2010 at 2:45AM
Helen Lofton
In Christian Western Europe, down to the 13th century or so, there was a mistaken Medieval Christian view of Muhammad belief among some, that Muslims worshiped Mahomet, while some considered him a heretic.[4] Other Middle ages European literature referred to Muslims as "pagans" or by sobriquets such as the paynim foe. Depictions, such as those in the Song of Roland, represent Muslims worshiping Muhammad as a god, or worshiping various deities in the form of "idols", ranging from Apollo to Lucifer, but ascribing to them a chief deity known as "Termagant".[5] When the Knights Templar were being tried for heresy, reference was often made to their worship of a demon Baphomet, which was notable by implication, for its similarity to the common of the Islamic prophet's name, "Mahomet", that was used by Christian writers of the time.[4]

These and other variations on the theme were all set in the "temper of the times" of the Muslim-Christian conflict as Medieval Europe was becoming aware of its great enemy in the wake of the quickfire success of the Muslims through a series of conquests shortly after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, as well as the lack of real information in the West of the mysterious east.[6]
Sunday, December 5th 2010 at 11:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
European literature from the Middle Ages often referred to Muslims as pagans, or by sobriquets such as the paynim foe. These depictions naively represent Muslims worshipping Muhammad as a god and depict them worshipping various deities in the form of idols (cult images), ranging from Apollo to Lucifer, but their chief deity was typically named Termagant.

The origin of the name Termagant is unknown, and does not seem to derive from any actual aspect of Muslim belief or practice, however wildly distorted. W. W. Skeat in the 19th century, speculated that the name was originally "Trivagante", meaning 'thrice wandering', a reference to the moon, because of the Islamic use of crescent moon imagery. An Old English origin has also been suggested, from tiw mihtig r ("very mighty"), referring to the Germanic god Tiw. Another possibility is that it derives from a confusion between Muslims and the Zoroastrian Magi of ancient Iran: thus tyr-magian, or "Magian god".
Sunday, December 5th 2010 at 11:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
paynim (plural paynims)

1. (archaic) A pagan or heathen, especially a Muslim or Jew.  [quotations ▼]
. paynim - a heathen; a person who is not a Christian (especially a Muslim)
Mohammedanism, Muhammadanism, Muslimism, Islam, Islamism - the monotheistic religious system of Muslims founded in Arabia in the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as laid down in the Koran; "
gentile, heathen, infidel, pagan - a person who does not acknowledge your god

Islam Is Paganism In Monotheistic Wrapping Paper.
Muhammad chose one god, from among hundreds of pagan gods, to be his one monotheistic god.
Islam is "Polytheism with a monotheistic veil". Islam is Repackaged Polytheism.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:00AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually
unchanged.Arab Pagan worship 500-610 AD


As Muhammad developed Islam he borrowed from the other regional religions present in the Mideast. These religions include Judaism, Christianity, Sabeanism, Zoroastrianism, and forms of paganism. Judaism is the largest contributor to Islam, followed by Christianity, then followed by the various pagan religions, and Muhammad’s mind. These pagan borrowings constitute significant facets of Islam and this article details some of these pagan contributions.







1) PAGANISM IN ISLAM



Islamic theology has some of its roots in various pagan beliefs. Primary to Islam is it's most holiest shrine: the Kaba.





THE KABA

The Kaba is now the most revered sanctuary of Islam. It is located in Mecca. Muslims throughout the world direct their prayers toward the Kaba.





PHYSICAL SHAPE

The Kaba's shape is somewhat cubical. Of note in the Kaba's structure is a black rock built into the wall in its eastern corner. The black rock's diameter is about 12 inches. It is reddish black in color, and has red and yellow particles. The black rock is kissed during the perambulation, (the circulation of the Muslims around the Kaba). The Kaba is about 50 feet high, and the walls are about 40 feet long. The facade contains the door, which starts at 7 feet off the ground, and faces N.E.. To enter the Kaba, a ladder must be used. Also built in the eastern corner, is another stone called "lucky". This stone is only touched, not kissed.





KNOWN PAGAN HISTORY

Apart from Muslim myths, little is really known about the history of the Kaba. About 60 years before Christ, the Roman historian Diodorus Siculus commented that there was in Arabia a temple greatly revered by the Arabs. It is probable that he had the Kaba in mind. It was later mentioned to have existed in the 2nd century; Ptolemy, the geographer mentions it in his work, calling it the 'macoraba'. The Kaba was a sanctuary dedicated to one or more pagan deities. The accounts of the campaigns of Abraha note that it was a place of pagan worship in the 6th century. Information on the distribution of the offices among the sons of Kusayy show that the worship of the sanctuary had developed into a regulated cult several generations before Muhammad.

One historian (Hurgronjes) said that sacred worship may have developed around the area because the Zamzam spring was found in this waterless place.



Pre-Islamic history tells us that many Arabian tribes were stone worshippers. This is also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol 5, #661. The Old Testament even talks about Mideast pagan groups that worshipped stones. Muhammad incorporated the Kaba's paganistic roots into Islam to give the Muslims a sense of identity, legitimacy, and uniqueness. He also wanted to ease the Arab's strain of moving from paganism to Islam, by continuing the practices of their fathers.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:08AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Bedouins of the Hijaz on their caravan journeys to Syria and other Christian centers undoubtedly carried back with them a superficial knowledge of Christian beliefs and customs. Dissident Christian sects, mostly of the Monophysite confession, and numerous monks turned ascetics had their retreats in the steppes of north Arabia along caravan routes. As a caravan leader, Muhammad is supposed to have befriended a Christian monk, Babira; it is said that he even wore tunics which were the gifts of other Christian monks. Two Christianized Arab tribes, Judham and `Udhra, roamed the Hijaz. According to local tradition, there were even Christian religious artifacts in the Ka`bah at Mecca. It is not unlikely that Muhammad may have exchanged religious views with monks, even with Christians who possessed some formal knowledge of Christian theology. Jacobites and Nestorians. are known to have conducted active missionary activities among the pagan tribes of Arabia; indeed, priests and deacons were assigned to each tribe, and in Najran the Monophysites had established churches which, when persecuted by dhu-Nuwas, invited Abyssinian intervention. Monasteries astride caravan routes were open day and night to traveling caravans and roaming Bedouins. Here, besides receiving food and shelter, they undoubtedly had occasion to 'observe such practices as praying, fasting, and alms giving three of the five basic injunctions of Islam. The Nestorians had established schools and some churches in many of the towns frequented by Arab tribesmen of the Hijaz. (Islam, Beliefs And Observances, Caesar E. Farah, p2-7, 26-35)
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:21AM
DAVID JOHNSON
* The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.
* "Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).
* "The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
* The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).
* The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.
* In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.
* The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).
* It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:27AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Praying 5 times a day

1. Polytheistic worshippers prayed 5 times a day towards their local kaba’s.
2. "The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab, Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi, Vol 1, p 121-122, Muslim)

1. Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (
2. The Encyclopedia of Islam p. 303) Worshippers in pagan Sabian religion that worshipped stars were "obliged to pray three times a day" (
Preliminary Discourse to the Koran, Sale, 1801)

1. At first, Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews, started directing his prayers towards Mecca. Today, monotheistic Muslims pray 5 times a day towards Mecca to Allah. Muhammad grafted this pagan practice into Islam.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:29AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).

He adopted such pagan rituals as:

* Worshiping at Kabah
* Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).
* Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:38AM
DAVID JOHNSON
“THE BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY”
Will Durant in his The Story of Civilisations, describes the Muslim invasion of India as “probably the bloodiest story in history.” The North Western region of India is called the Hindu Kush (“the slaughter of the Hindu”) as a reminder of the vast number of Hindu slaves who died while being marched across the Afghan Mountains to the Muslim slave markets in Central Asia. The Buddhists were also targeted for destruction. In AD 1193 Muhammad Khilji burned to the ground their famous library and the Buddhist stronghold of Bihar.

Shah Jahan is remembered as the builder of the Taj Mahal. What few Westerners know is that the builder of the Taj Mahal launched 48 military campaigns against non-Muslims in just 30 years. In AD 1628 he killed all his male relatives. Shah Jahan had 5,000 concubines in his harem but also indulged in incestuous s*x with his daughters. In just one town, Banares, Jahan destroyed 76 Hindu temples. He also demolished Christian churches at Agra and Lahore. When he captured Hugh, a Portuguese enclave near Calcutta, he had 10,000 inhabitants “blown up with powder, drowned in water or burned by fire.” Another 4,000 were enslaved and offered Islam or death. Those who refused to convert were killed.

SPAIN UNDER THE MOORS
Neither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In AD 920 all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.

In AD 1009, Kalif Hakem of Egypt ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre and all Christian places of worship in Jerusalem. Christians were persecuted cruelly and pilgrims were attacked.

CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLE
Under Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, AD 1453, waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 12:52AM
DAVID JOHNSON
ISLAM IS THE BEAST 666
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqKJhETKYEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpknKv3CmK4

The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.

"Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages" (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).

"The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad" (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).

The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad's day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).

The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.

In what is called the "Rip Van Winkle" story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)!

This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.

The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad's time (Sura 2:260).

It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra'ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.

Jewish Sources

Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.

This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran -- Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).

1. The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion's James the Lesser.

2. The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.

3. The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.

4. The fantastic tale that God made a man "die for a hundred years" with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).

5. The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).

6. The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.

7. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98).

It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.

8. The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther.

9. The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).

10. The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.

11. The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer.

12, The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah.

13. Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).

Heretical Christian Sources

One of the most documented and damaging facts about the Quran is that Muhammad used heretical "Christian" Gnostic gospels and their fables for material in the Quran.

Encyclopedia Britannica comments:

"The gospel was known to him chiefly through apocryphal and heretical sources" (15:648).

This has been demonstrated many times by various scholars (Richard Bell, Introduction to the Quran, pp. 163ff. See also: Bell, The Origin of Islam in Its Christian Environment, pp. 110ff, 139ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 216ff. See also Tisdall and Pfander).

For example, in Suras 3:49 and 100:11O, the baby Jesus speaks from the cradle! Later on, the Quran has Jesus making clay birds come alive.

The Bible tells us that the first miracle Jesus did was at the wedding at Cana (John 2:11).

Sabean Sources

Muhammad incorporated parts of the religion of the Sabeans into Islam (Encyclopedia off Islam (ed. Eliade), pp. 303ff.; International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pp. 1:219ff.).

He adopted such pagan rituals as:

Worshiping at Kabah

Praying five times a day towards Mecca (Muhammad chose five of the same times the Sabeans prayed).

Fasting for part of a day for an entire month.

Eastern Religious Sources

Muhammad derived some of his ideas from Eastern religions such as Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. All of these things were in existence long before Muhammad was born.

The Quran records the following things which are ascribed to Muhammad but in reality were previously known stories now attributed to him for the first time (Sell, Studies, pp. 219ff.).

The story of a flying trip through seven heavens.

The Houries of paradise.

Azazil and other spirits coming up from Hades.

The "light" of Muhammad.

The bridge of Sirat.

Paradise with its wine, women, and song (from the Persians).

The king of death.

The peacock story.

Arab Racism

According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black faces will be damned.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 1:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 2:00AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I went to the Vatican. It was quite interesting as t hey retold the fabrication of their fokelore and explained the idolic bellief that some God ordained all of the scenes depicted in the paintings. The art is beautiful, like the pictures in my fairytale books when I was a child. You could even get a piece of bone from Sainte Peter. He mustbe regenerating bone matter as he ages lol. Forgive my spelling. My head is still recording Italian. I'm in the process of catching up. The information is great.
Monday, December 6th 2010 at 10:30AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
GOOD I SEE EVERYBODY IS STUDYING !
Tuesday, December 7th 2010 at 11:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thought by now I'd find a Muslim challenge to my posts. Guess I wasn't controversial and 'explosive' enough. You see the way it works is, there are those who are following this dialogue to see where it goes, to see what's being said.....to see what I know. They are not foolish...what they are is cautious....not to be baited, yet looking for bait, supplying bait but only to ....bring the fish out into the open. Only one problem....I'm not a fish. I'm a different creature of a completely different nature. I didn't come to swallow just the bait...I came to eat everybody in the f*cking boat. On this very page for all to see and bare witness to....I have destroyed the 'Christian illusion' and I have equally destroyed the 'C thru Hebrew' illusion. My soon to be disillusioned Islamic family members have remained quietly on the sidelines sharpening outdated swords. Dull blades son't deter me....so let's get it poppin. I'd like to welcome you all to THE DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM. Though my command of the historical record as regards Islam is not as potent as it is with regards to 'Christianity', I am still more competent than the most learned 'Muslim' of any background, Wesley Muhammad included; why? They all suffer the same achilles heel as does the rest of the people psycho-Spiritually incarcerated by and in, the Abrahmic faiths.
In truth Islam is really not even worth debating as it is a hand me down, bastard religion readily obliterated by the obliteration of the lying religion that preceeds it and the lying religion that comes after it...ie. Christianity and Judaism respectively. Once those two doctrines are proven to be the fallacy they have already been so proven to be, then by proxy and osmosis Islam is summarily ....dismissed. But if someone wishes to debate the historical record with me...then let's dance (smile).
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 3:50AM
Christine Govenor
Let's start with this....I'll throw the first volley...see who's got the b*lls to respond. Number one...David you're wrong; Muhammad did not pick Allah (the moon god) from amongst 365 different dieties, regardless of what you've read. Why? Because MUHAMMAD NEVER EXISTED!!! End of discussion, now who wants to kick up dust? Make sure you contact all of the 'true believers' (and some Imam's too) for help, cause youre gonna need it. And if I didn't take any prisoners with Christianity or Judaism then please don't think for one solitary single moment that I'm going to give 'Islam' a 'get out of jail free' pass. If Christianity is a lie, AND IT IS; and Islam is nothing more than Reformed Christianity coming out of Syria...then it too, by the very nature of the beast that it is, must also be A LIE AS WELL. I didn't studder. Next?


PS. Sorry guys ...I'm in the mood for a fight. Happens once every month (smile).
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:09AM
Christine Govenor
David...open the flood gates...let them in. Let them test their 'scholarship' against someone like myself. I'm sure they'll be contacting those of their 'faith' who they believe can debate competently....thats the one I want (smile).
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:13AM
Christine Govenor
David I'm quite positive there are some Muslim folks on here who have been wanting to challenge me for a while. Please...go get them.
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:17AM
Christine Govenor
I'll wait patiently...
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:18AM
Christine Govenor
I'll take thebate. Who invented muhammad and how did ehe or they explain his late arrival. What did people do before him (according to Him).
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:00PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Interesting.... and what about all of these stories I've heard about the prophet... having children with this young female? And I read something horrific about him keeping his dead mother/aunt and sleeping with the corps (I only read this sometime back) and is it true that he was said to have some neurological problems and when he would have fits from siezures, his claim was that he was be instructed by Allah? I don't wanna get to much into the he say.. but truth is he was a man...
just like Noah (who love the spirits and would drank until drunkness) King Solomon (who loved the ladies and had many ... many... wives...
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 4:22PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
I was just wondering if there was actual historical proof on the existence of Muhammad?

Was he real or was he like Jesus where the only proof of their existence is in spiritual writings?
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 10:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
christine you are going to wake up a lot of people on this one im sure a lot of people are wondering how are you going to pull this off im looking for info on the matter and its out there !
this is going to be real good !
Wednesday, December 8th 2010 at 10:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
How the picture changes. It is amazing that all of the men and most of the women in Michaelangelo's works look alike. Just like Ptolomy and Alexander. Even though I knew that the characters were made up, I never noticed that they were clones. All of the apostles resembled each other except Judus and the women looked alike too, even Mary of Maggdela.
Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 11:14AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
MS JOHNSON that is some good info make me want to see why is that ? hum im going in ! be back with some answers !
Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 12:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
We will teach with questions now....


Who was the historical figure that actually lived in the 12th and 13th century upon who's actual life the mythical figure of Muhammed was based. Good Luck. I'll give you a hint:

He was born in the Spanish township of Murcia.
Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 12:41PM
Christine Govenor
Upon the death of the Prophet, Abu Bakr, the friend of the Prophet and the first adult male to embrace Islam, became caliph. Abu Bakr ruled for two years to be succeeded by 'Umar who was caliph for a decade and during whose rule Islam spread extensively east and west conquering the Persian empire, Syria and Egypt. It was 'Umar who marched on foot at the end of the Muslim army into Jerusalem and ordered the protection of Christian sites. 'Umar also established the first public treasury and a sophisticated financial administration. He established many of the basic practices of Islamic government.

http://www.barkati.net/english/#06
'Umar was succeeded by 'Uthman who ruled for some twelve years during which time the Islamic expansion continued. He is also known as the caliph who had the definitive text of the Noble Quran copied and sent to the four corners of the Islamic world. He was in turn succeeded by 'Ali who is known to this day for his eloquent sermons and letters, and also for his bravery. With his death the rule of the "rightly guided" caliphs, who hold a special place of respect in the hearts of Muslims, came to an end.
Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 5:57PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)
Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 7:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
@ Princess: ((Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers))
http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-qu...
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Thursday, December 9th 2010 at 11:20PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
hey....
Saturday, December 11th 2010 at 1:16PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr as-Siddiq was one of the seven most famous jurists in Madinah, and wa considered as the most knowledgeable among them.

He was a pious imam and was very knowledgeable in the narration of the Traditions. Abu Zannad said, “I never saw anyone better than him in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (s). In our time no one is considered perfect until he is perfect in following the Sunnah of the Prophet and Qasim is one of the perfected men.”

He learned hadith and fiqh from his aunt and from Ibn Abbas. He was a transmitter of hadith and criticised the use of a hadith if its text was put before the Quran and established Sunnah.[2]

He was among "the seven fuqaha' of Medina" [2] who were largely responsible for the transmission of knowledge from Medina and were the source of much of the information of Islam and the Sunnah available today. His grandson was Imam Jafar as-Sadiq.

in his last days He left and went to al-Qudayd, a place between Makkah and Madinah on the 9th of Muharram, where he passed on to the next life. The year was 108 (or 109) AH/726 CE, and he was seventy years old.

Abdu r-Rahman ibn Abi Zannad said that his father said, “I did not see anyone who knew the Sunnah better than al-Qasim.”

Abu Nuaym said of him in his book Hilyat al-Awliya: “He was able to extract the deepest juristic rulings and he was supreme in manners and ethics.”

Imam Malik narrated that Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz , considered the fifth rightly-guided caliph, said, “If it were in my hands, I would have made al-Qasim the caliph in my time.”

Sufyan said, “Some people came to al-Qasim with charity which he distributed. After he distributed it, he went to pray. While he was praying, the people began to speak negatively about him. His son said to them, ‘You are speaking behind the back of a man who distributed your charity and did not take one dirham from it for himself.’ Quickly his father scolded him saying, ‘Do not speak, but keep quiet.’” He wanted to teach his son not to defend him, as his only desire was to please God. He had no concern for the opinion of people.

Yahya ibn Sayyid said, “We never found, in our time in Madinah, anyone better than al-Qasim.” Ayyub as-Saqityani said, “I have not seen anyone better than Imam Qasim. He left 100,000 dinars behind for the poor when he passed away, and it was all from his lawful earnings.”
Monday, December 13th 2010 at 2:51PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Qasim
Monday, December 13th 2010 at 3:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
- Eternal life was only granted to those who had a proper tomb and funeral, thus rich men had greater chance of achieving eternity - this idea of justice by modern standards seems unjust by itself!!
- The dead were provided with food and drink, weapons, and toiletry articles.
- Tombs were often visited by the family, who brought new offerings. The practice of feeding the dead continues in Egypt even in our own day!!
- Proper precautions and care for the dead were mandatory to insure immortality. - The first Christians likely followed the national customs of the people among whom they lived,
- Funerals provide hope and support for the family and friends, but has no lasting effect in determining the fate and future afterlife of the deceased
Wednesday, December 22nd 2010 at 1:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Muhammad seems to have thought of himself as in the succession of the Old Testament men of faith, sent on his mission by the one and only Lord of all. Like Noah, Jonah, and Elijah he preached a religious message in the name of this Supreme Lord, and like Moses he also issued legislation in His name, for like Abraham he was not only a maintainer of righteousness but the founder of a community o£ the righteous. Like neighboring religious communities, this community of his has, as its most precious and distinctive possession, a Book, a Scripture which sets forth his preaching and legislation for the community and the essential themes of his faith. Such material of this nature as his followers could gather together after his death and publish has come down to us as the Qur'an.
Wednesday, December 22nd 2010 at 2:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
So, now that we have disected the major religions, where does that leave those who NEED a power greater than man to blame thing on and give credit for all that we don't know yet? All of these teachers gave advise to live by and what are we going to do with all of that? I also want to hear from those who have had their eyes opened, how they will reconcile what they have been taught with what history has documented? We have to remember, what we know today was inconceivable during Biblical times. They didn't know about earthquakes etc. then. And as time progresses, we will learn more.
Wednesday, December 22nd 2010 at 3:17PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Christine, I'll answer your question by saying it is King Alfonso X of Castille, here's an excerpt from Wikipedia encyclopedia:

In keeping with his desire to elevate the tastes of the Spanish common man, one of the literary works that Alfonso X had translated was La escalera de Muhammad (Muhammad’s Ladder). The fantastic descriptions of Heaven and Hell influenced Dante in writing his Inferno. On top of intellectual works, Alfonso X also oversaw the production of more everyday literature. Calila e Dimna is a collection of stories originally from Asia. This work had a huge popular impact in Spain and also influenced the entire development of European fiction. Alfonso also had Libro de ajedrez, dados, y tablas (The Book of Games) translated into Castilian from Arabic and added illustrations with the goal of perfecting the work
Thursday, December 23rd 2010 at 2:41PM
Siebra Muhammad
The last Muslim power in Spain

The Nasrids held the only viable Muslim state on the peninsula in the south known as Granada. Early in this period the former Muslim seats of power such as Valencia, Seville, and Cordova all fell to the Castillians. More than ten leaders with the name Muhammad ascended to the throne in this dynasty, some more than once. Granada paid tribute to the Castillians until internal turmoil allowed the latter to take complete control of the last vestige of the Muslim political unit in Spain.
Sunday, December 26th 2010 at 12:44PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Now where are we in absorbing the truth of how deception works? Have we learned anything new about where we sit in the universe? Are we still going to perpetuate the fraud used by our conquorer and oppressors to keeps us under control? Are we willing to think for ourselves and to disect the truth from the fiction?
Thursday, December 30th 2010 at 9:33PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
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Hmmm... Slavery? How many of us/you are walking around with the yoke of DENIAL around your necks...excuse me, BRAINS?

"Take a stroll through your mind...you'll be surprised as to what you might FIND!"

Okey... I've said it before, so I'll say it again...

RELIGION IS MAN-MADE! RELIGION IS MAN-MADE!
IT IS DESIGNED TO CONTROL THE IGNORANT!
IT IS DESIGNED TO ENSLAVE...
BUREAUCRACY, MISCONCEPTION, and CONFUSION IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL!

It's worked! Slavery is what Slavery Does...

Thank you David, Christine, Siebra, Thomasena, and ALL OF THE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTORS to this enlightening educational forum...it's been real!

Peace and Love,

Greg.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/8140...
http://ezinearticles.com/?expert_bio=Grego...
http://www.blogger.com/profile/10910946197...
http://www.BoulwareEnterprises.com
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Friday, December 31st 2010 at 5:56PM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
happy new years and hope all is well GOD BLESS YOU ALL !!
Saturday, January 1st 2011 at 3:21PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The word Egypt means "Land of burnt faces" because thats what the sun did to them when they came into the garden (africa).
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 1:45AM
DAVID JOHNSON
1. Join the effort
If you’re on facebook become a member of the “A Million Voices Against Global Racism” Group. Here’s the link http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_...

Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 1:46AM
DAVID JOHNSON
In Europe there has generally been a taboo on reducing members of one's own group to slavery. From time to time (up to about 1550) there were condemnations of the practice of selling prisoners of war into slavery, but it's not clear how widespread this practice was.

At various times gypsies were kept as slaves in Europe - in fact till the 1850s in Wallachia and Moldavia (in what is now Romania and Moldova). One of the biggest slaveowners was the Romanian Orthodox Church ...
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 2:01AM
DAVID JOHNSON
the Valley Of Kings' represents another creative leap for Sway & King Tech's WAIL, the burgeoning art imprint committed to giving the hip-hop pioneers the chance to immortalize themselves on canvas as well as wax. Sway & Tech personally handpick every artist in the WAIL series, and act as intermediary between them and WAIL's team of graphic designers as they work together to create a portrait worthy of a legend. The creation of "The Valley Of Kings" from conception to sign-off of the final artist proof took 12 months and involved everything from greenscreening to drawing to Egyptian iconography. WAIL brought the Hiero crew members to the table with famed aerosol artist Eaz One to brainstorm and flesh out the creative core of the piece, which is said to represent the crew's 20-year journey, as well as the "supernatural" union between the members. More information at www.whenartimitateslife.com.
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 2:15AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I REMEMBER WHEN CHRISTINE SAID !

The link above is the missing annals of your history black people. I return it to you. But what does it matter if you do not care to even find out what you went through together as a people, black people ...in Ancient Egypt the blessed Ancestral lands of your people? Compare all that you have learned since we've started and not once have you come across any of the biblical nonsense ignoramuses would try to pass off as the 'historical record'. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TAUGHT HISTORY!!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN FURTHER DUMBED DOWN!!!! YES ESPECIALLY IN COLLEGE WHERE THEY FINISH THE FRONTAL LOBOTOMY SO IDIOTS LIKE YOU THINK YOU SALVATION LIES IN DEMOCRATES OR REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!! NO SUCH ANIMALS EXISTS!!!!! THEY ARE JUST WORDS!!! NOTHING MORE. IT IS STILL A EUROPEAN POWER STRUCTURE DEFINING REALITY FOR YOU ON THEIR OWN TERMS NO MATTER HOW BLACK THE FACE IS THAT SITS IN THEIR TEMPLE/WHITEHOUSE. IT IS STILL PTOLEMY'S HOUSE!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 8:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON
there has been some video deleted from you tube by Walter Williams - Part 1 and they are Paramount to this study i have found them and will post them right now !
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 12:23AM
DAVID JOHNSON
CHRISTINE POSTED THIS INFO AND YOUTUBE DELETED IT I HAVE FOUND THEM AND REPLACED THEM SHE ALSO STATED :: I highly suggest you watch this video featuring Professor Walter Williams. What is important about this video is that the gentleman interviewing Professor Williams is Minister Clemson Brown of Attorney Alton Maddox's United African Movement based in NYC. Minister Brown has the largest video and audio repository of the finest Black minds in existence (ie.Trans Atlantic Productions). He does not film 'lightweights' as his reputation would be at stake. I suggest you watch the eniire interview. I will be happt to answer any questions once you have done so. I've no doubt you will enjoy Professor Williams as few have researched as intensely as he. You've all been lied to about Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Judaism being the last one to come into existence as is kept secret from all......don't freak out David...smile). Watch the video and listen for yourself. Don't be fooled by his akward speech, his scholarship is impeccable as I own both of his texts and have mastered much of the information. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXnniTcHA_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg331CVx7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJsJq-ElaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerKNBm80XI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6Pc3Q6nTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZMS13_6f4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECkUi-sbbU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3t8n2bgdYY


Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 12:39AM
DAVID JOHNSON

Islam -Dr.John Henrik Clarke
YOU REALLY NEED TO HEAR WHAT THIS MAN IS SAYING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOYOXjR_8-4


Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 1:50AM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpkBW8E-Dw
WE HAVE BEEN ROBED OF OUR SPIRITUALITY THROUGH RELIGION !
THE WORD GOD ITSELF IS MAN MADE
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 2:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAswUoRbfMo
Africans didn't own any of our people, because I think you these people are completely lost, Africans would never get inolved in the nastiness of this crime.

What I understand these devils force us to give them our people and not only we didn't given to them, but we would rather they kill us, then to sell each other to these beasts.

Bilal was a prophet and he dedicated his life amongst his people in the Cush kingdoms.
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 2:22AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Jesus Mohammad and Abraham never historically existed on this planet. I know my ancestor in Africa in the Nile valley civilization existed historically because they left plenty of bodies and evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshZrQotFvY
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 2:30AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Truth is truth and is infinite..  Truth doesn't change only man's perception of it. Islam had a beginning as did Kemetology. The Most High doesn't need a man to define it, it want man to define it through the varied experiences of life of which Islam is one understanding. Islam was born from the mind of men in and around the Nile Valley/Indus Kush regions.. It would serve us well to understand what came before.
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 2:36AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Real Proof that Jesus was NOT real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY
Tuesday, January 11th 2011 at 3:08AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Real Proof that Jesus was NOT real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRKhZ81aqY
Friday, January 14th 2011 at 4:27AM
DAVID JOHNSON
the white man came in and changed our pure spirituality into a slave mind set that most blacks believe in to day i have studied religion and its all man made from Jesus to Mohammad its all man made !
in my quest to know the truth i have found it amazing that knowledge is truly powerful and when you look back in history and understand how they tried to destroy black history in its original form Africa is our pathway to the truth and they did not want you or i to know this truth so they went as far as to publish books that rewrote our pass and and deny us the god given right to serve the GOD of our ansesters if we choose too !

i believe if this information gets in the minds of our people then we will have a real foundation to build on because they will have a better understanding of where we came ,,i believe we will begin to see each other in a different light as oppose to the way the powers that be has turned us into ! the reason why black America is so messed up is they have no ideal where they came from and the fact of the matter is most blacks think that there history started and ended with slavery !
i believe all this ties in with the dropout rate ,aids,black on black crime and more !

Saturday, January 15th 2011 at 1:09AM
DAVID JOHNSON
truth is truth and is infinite..  Truth doesn't change only man's perception of it. Islam had a beginning as did Kemetology. The Most High doesn't need a man to define it, it want man to define it through the varied experiences of life of which Islam is one understanding. Islam was born from the mind of men in and around the Nile Valley/Indus Kush regions.. It would serve us well to understand what came before.
Saturday, January 15th 2011 at 1:13AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
You are so right in so many ways. That is the reason I said that we need to get our children way from the liers and teach them what we want them to k now. That is the only way they will get the information. My cousin in Arizona told me that there is a movement in Arizona to rewrite the history books and include the information about us to set the records straight. The originator of this movement is catching hell and receifing death threats.

When I told Harry that we needed to do some debriefing and unlearning before we could become independent, that is what I meant. We as a people have to believe that we can be independent before we strike out. The only way for the youth to know what can be done is to know what has been done.

We also need to remember that everybody will not be able to make the transition because we have always had those who did not come along, since the beginning of time. How much progress can be made if we spend seven days a week in one place listening to the same old speech? That is what religion does. If we wait until we die to enjoy happiness then what is the use of living? Everybody enjoys life here on earth but if you are of color you have to wait until you die ?

We need to build strong family ties, men teaching boys how to be men and women teaching girls how to be Women. We need to build our communities again so that the youth can see what they are suppose to do once they become adults. They need to understand that they are obligated to ill vacated shoes.
Friday, January 21st 2011 at 11:49PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Damn I miss this page.
Monday, January 24th 2011 at 4:23PM
Christine Govenor
Thomasena
I like what you said you told Harry. We have all heard the phrase, "The truth will make you free." but people don't want to hear the truth, every time you tell the truth you find others getting mad or upset about it. You can't even tell your family member that their dress is too tight without them getting mad (lol).
Monday, January 24th 2011 at 6:35PM
Helen Lofton
if you notice harry is not allowed on this blog !
Monday, January 24th 2011 at 11:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
LOL!
Wednesday, January 26th 2011 at 3:30PM
Siebra Muhammad
Has anyone read this book? It looks interesting.

THE PAGAN CHRIST
http://www.tomharpur.com/books/books_thepa...

Sunday, March 6th 2011 at 4:47PM
Steve Williams
What I find really interesting is the word pagan. The premise of the book is that the pagan Christ is the real Christ, and to me, that makes the orthodox Christ really the pagan Christ, hence paganChristianity. But this goes way back to the 3rd and 4th centuries CE.
Tuesday, March 8th 2011 at 10:02AM
Steve Williams
ROBERT AND HARRY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO POST COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG !
I WILL NOT ALLOW TRASH TO BE POSTED BY THE TWO DUMPSTERS !

SO ROBERT AND HARRY KEEP IT MOVING THIS IS FOR THE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO RESPECTFULLY ENGAGE IN TOPICS THAT STIMULATE THOUGHT ,,,NOT THE MADNESS THAT YOU BOTH PROJECT !
Sunday, May 8th 2011 at 12:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
a lot of people don't like the facts but they are here for you to learn and grow !!
Thursday, April 12th 2012 at 4:31AM
DAVID JOHNSON
What were the historical roots of African-American slavery?
Slavery was introduced to the "New World" but Dutch traders in the Carribean island of Hispanoila. Slavery was brought to the new world almost as soon as it was discovered. While several European countries actually outlawed slavery, they did support the slave trade as a means of raising tax revenue. England banned slavery prior to the revolution, but not in colonies. The Portuguese, Spanish, French and Dutch all transported slaves purchased from tribal Africans, but the Dutch were given the worst name. The Portuguese and Spanish transported the most. The French the least.


Saturday, July 14th 2012 at 1:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Bible: An African Origin

Africa did not only give the world monotheism but actually authored the Bible. Blackness was never associated with evil. Then, the image of God was black before it was carved or Europeanized in 1499 by Michelangelo's Pieta, a statute that shows Jesus’ body on the lap of his mother Mary after his death. Depicting God as Black with African hair texture is seen in these gods: Fuhi China; the Xaha of the Japan; the Quetzalcoatl of Mexico and Buddha of India—a continuation of African religion and civilization. See the work of Ghanaian author, scholar, professor and Akan king, Nana Banchie Darkwah, “The Africans Who Wrote the Bible”. For four years Darkwah analyzed Egyptian and African history, culture, archeology, religion, and linguistics, as well as Jewish history, biblical history and DNA evidence. More importantly, Jesus’ preaching with concrete and live words showed that he an African. For example, the description “hair like the pure wool” (Rogers, 1995) is a description of a man of African ancestry. Secondly, Europeans are not people who use parables in their communications. The corridors of history is strew with evident that Europeans are ‘lineal talkers’, straight, get to the point speakers, not parables users.

The moral ancestry of Africa is older than the Hebrews and European who are now trying to bring African salvation. Nations such as Egypt and Ethiopia are directly mentioned in your Bible to show that historical genesis or what came first. As Prof. Breasted, a leading Egyptologist, puts it, “The ripe social and moral development of mankind in the Nile Valley which is 3000 years older than that of the Hebrews, contributed essentially to the formation of Hebrew literature!

I guess that when you have been raised to feel smugly & condescendingly superior to someone not even considered HUE-MAN then find yourself in the same boat it is rather mind blowing. When folks prefer to live in a state of denial, their minds are reprobated & they will not be moved. They will twist your words, intentionally take things out of context, and vilify you in an effort to hold onto their delusions of superiority rather than embrace the Black Man as "brother"...or equal. Cain will continue to destroy Abel until God's day of reckoning.

When asked by Whites what difference does it make whether Jesus was black or White...I simply smile & reply... If it doesn't make any difference, why did you make Him white? Can YOU handle the Truth?
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 10:41AM
DAVID JOHNSON
there are those that are blind and still preaching the white mans bible ! we need to help them get their mind right !
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 10:45AM
DAVID JOHNSON
"My purpose is to create dialogue in the
community."
Issa said that the subject is more than just an academic exercise.
"First it's a story about human beings, and it's a story very few people know about, that the origins
(of the Bible) actually come from Africa," he said. "We have a lot of preconceived notions of
Africa.
We are so race-biased; I think if we talk about things like this we can help heal some of these
things."
Issa also is involved in a nonprofit organization, Building Libraries for Africa. As the name implies,
the group's mission is to build libraries that will serve as information centers.
According to the organization, the libraries will have satellite Internet capabilities, allowing African
communities access to institutions and educational opportunities around the world.
In December, Issa will travel to Ghana to meet with the U.S. ambassador there to discuss funding
for the program. Issa also is working to bring college and high school students from this area to
work on the Ghana project in July.
"The U.S. is really focused on Africa right now, (the government) is really paying attention to
these type of programs," he said.
More information about Building Libraries for African may be found at www.librariesforafrica.org.
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 10:55AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Jesus Christ was indeed a black man. The original hebrews were a group of black people descended from Y'srael(Jacob)whom was from the line of Shem;Shem was a black man just like his parents and his two brothers,Ham and Yapheth:Remember that pure black cannot come from pure white. He was from the tribe of Yahuda(Judah)so therefore he was a "Jew" but not the kind of jews you see around Israel today;they are either Khazars or some type of European converts and/or imposters. The black people who have lived in the Holy Land for centuries still live there today but in a much smaller population than in the past. The media won't show Americans these people nor will they reveal to them who GOD'S chosen people are. There was and is no nation of people known as "Jews" because they were and are only a portion of the Nation of Israel, which was and is comprised of 12 tribes.All the original nations were dark or what people today would call black! People don't seem to understand this and it's pretty sad but it's a part of the Bible's prophecy.
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 11:29AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Think you could get Christine to come back?
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 1:45PM
Steve Williams
me and her talk from time to time,,,,she is on a different site where the feed back comes in bunches !
today she sent me this ,,,,
'THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ORIGIN OF THE BIBLE: SUBSTANTIATED BY ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWKuF-_dbPk
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 2:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Well I miss her. Never would have gotten to where I am today in my studies without this blog. Thanks for the link.
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 2:06PM
Steve Williams

Christine Govenor Pt.2

The ineptitude of scholarly acumen in the face of the mountainous evidence supplied by the study of comparative religion, especially since the recovery of Chaldean and Egyptian antiquities, surpasses all belief and flouts all conscience. It has been exhibited on so colossal a scale with consequences of the direst nature, that the question whether ignorance or deliberate chicanery engineered the total suppression of truth that has glared it's overwhelming obviousness in the face of studentship, inevitably rises to the foreground of thought. It must be assumed that both ignorance and disingenuousness combined to produce the catastrophic result. A thousand big and little items of comparative religion, many of them sufficient in their single weight to clinch decisive determinations fatal to Christian claims, conspire to erect a positively impregnable fortress of proof of Christian errancy. This mass of data has been blithely ignored, brazenly flouted, or damned with slighting notice, by the ecclesiastical regime which would lose it's easy hold on the masses by honest recognition of the truth.

The lesson of European Renaissance history has not been assimilated in it's full import . Christian Europe, groping in early Medieval darkness for centuries following the violent extinction of Platonic Academies and schools of esoteric philosophy and religion, regained a portion of the lost light in the fourteenth century when re-established contact with Greek literature brought to the light the long buried works of classic hellenic wisdom. This recouping of cultural status went far to illuminate the night of Christian gloom. But it can be seen now that it did not go far or deep enough to effect a complete restoration of the full glory of ancient intellectual brilliance. Greece had much to offer to a Europe blinded by theological obscurantism. But it's gift was a secondary and derived product, not the original and genuine treasure. That had been lost in the silence of Egypt's desert expanses. Now, in the fullness of time, the Occident is destined to enjoy it's final renaissance to the full heritage of ancient culture. once again Christian Europe will experience a "Revival of learning," as the lingering smudge of Medieval obfuscation is wafted away by the pure breath of a recovered Eastern civilization. This time it is Egypt, whose hidden wisdom is released by the finding of the Rosetta Stone, that will enlighten the last areas of Medieval nescience"

Dr. Albert Churchward PhD (Columbia University)
'WHO IS THIS KING OF GLORY?"
Tuesday, October 23rd 2012 at 2:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ROBERT POWELL IS NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON THIS SCHOLARSHIP INFORMATION ,I WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE TAINTED WITH HIS BULL**** NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ! AND THATS MY WORD SON !
Wednesday, October 24th 2012 at 12:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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It saddens me to know that men of such knowledge, wisdom, and scholarship continually stab one another. However, Brother David, I commend you on this report. The knowledge and truth is exceptional as it truly bursts the bubble of lies that have evolved and expanded throughout the world as we know it. No need for the mass media to publish and/or report our history...with the advent of 'self-publishing' and social media - WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES!

Brother, I hope you have no quams about this expose' being posted to my "Twitter-Page!" The information herein, is to powerful to keep all to ourselves. A brother who is a friend of mine, who happens to be a boisturous but knowledgeable Hebrew Israelite, made me aware of his visit to the Franklin Institute, here in Philly. He was highly impressed with the exibition of the "Dead Sea scrolls." He says he can't wait to tell of his experience of his visitation. It's a good thing. I'd welcome the story from a Man Of Color as opposed to men who have manipulated the truth for mammon and self gain.

Peace and Love,

Greg.
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Wednesday, October 24th 2012 at 11:14PM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
brother Greg I truly want to thank you for your kind words ,most of all I want to thank your for sharing this study with our brothers and sisters that are still blind to there history and stuck in a religion that has our people perplexed and brain washed. by all means spread this to the masses ...and lastly I want to thank all the people that have commented on this blog and given light to the truth and help keep light In a world fill of darkness !

thank you all and my God truly bless you !
Thursday, October 25th 2012 at 2:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ROBERT POWELL CANNOT COMMENT ON THE BLOG EVER !
Thursday, October 25th 2012 at 9:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
CHRISTINE POSTED THIS INFO AND YOUTUBE DELETED THEM ,I HAVE FOUND THEM AND REPLACED THEM SHE ALSO STATED :: I highly suggest you watch this video featuring Professor Walter Williams. What is important about this video is that the gentleman interviewing Professor Williams is Minister Clemson Brown of Attorney Alton Maddox's United African Movement based in NYC. Minister Brown has the largest video and audio repository of the finest Black minds in existence (ie.Trans Atlantic Productions). He does not film 'lightweights' as his reputation would be at stake. I suggest you watch the eniire interview. I will be happt to answer any questions once you have done so. I've no doubt you will enjoy Professor Williams as few have researched as intensely as he. You've all been lied to about Christianity, Islam and Judaism (Judaism being the last one to come into existence as is kept secret from all......don't freak out David...smile). Watch the video and listen for yourself. Don't be fooled by his akward speech, his scholarship is impeccable as I own both of his texts and have mastered much of the information. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXnniTcHA_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg331CVx7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJsJq-ElaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerKNBm80XI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6Pc3Q6nTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZMS13_6f4

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Thursday, October 25th 2012 at 11:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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You're very much welcomed Brother. The message(s) projected on this subject is so HOT that I had to go to my notebook to load it! The desktop PC couldn't handle the soup. :-) Go figure...

Peace and Love,

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Friday, October 26th 2012 at 1:17AM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
The Historical Origin of Christianity" by Dr. Walter Williams according to him he is offering 5000 cash to someone that can deputes there never was a man who walk the earth named Jesus Christ there never was a man who walk the earth called prophet Muhammad he goes on to say,you have every right to be a christian or a Muslim ,he says Im not telling you what to be , what this shows me is CHRISTINA was 10000 % right in her teachings on religion !

all the answers you want to know about it is in the post i will ad the links ,but first here is the link to Dr. Walter Williams http://youtu.be/gKUMAsUE0FI this is good also remember the name ''Soto'' Ican real teach on the topic from there because while everyone else was talking in class i was doing research and studying for mts
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 4:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Bible starts with the first five books, known as the 5 BOOKS OF MOSES .........

could this all be a LIE , PLAGIARIZED !

BEFORE YOU ANSWER STUDY ,,,ALL BLOCKS ARE OFF AND THIS IS OPEN FOR DEBATE !
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 5:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
(The Isis Papers and Hidden Colors
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 6:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
the only time growth comes is when you step outside your comfort zone and learn things you dont already know ,,,,,,come out from among the blind and see the truth !
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 6:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON
CHRISTIAN ROOTS IN THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT OF SERAPIS

The basis of Egyptian salvation beliefs was the divine nature that Egyptians attributed to their king, who was looked upon as the human son of Ra, the cosmic god. This special relationship between god and the king was manifested in the three special events in the ruler's life—his holy birth, his anointing at coronation, and his resurrection after death. It was an essence of Egyptian belief that, while the spiritual element left the body at death, it would return at some point in the future if the body could be kept safe and protected, which is why Egyptians devoted such care to mummification and secure tombs. Osiris was regarded as an ancient king, slain by his brother Seth, who dismembered his body. However, his wife/sister Isis was able to collect his remains and, using a magic ritual, assemble his body again and restore him to life, not on earth but in the underworld, where he became the god and judge of the dead.

Following the suppression of the Amarna monotheistic religious revolution—of Akhenaten and Tutankhamun in the mid 14th century BC—new theology developed within the cult of Osiris. Initially, the promise of eternal life was confined to kings and nobles who could afford the expensive burial rite. After the death of Tutankhamun, however, a long process of change in the Osiris theology began, which resulted in the emergence of the cult of Serapis, whose followers could obtain the right to eternal life without the need for mummification if they confessed in the deity and went through an initiation ritual.
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 6:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Heretic Pharaoh

Akhenaten, a powerful mid-14th century B.C. pharaoh also known as Amenhotep IV or Amenophis IV, had a heretical devotion to Egypt's sun god.

He decreed that Aten, the divine embodiment of the sun's life-giving warmth, was Egypt's one true god and that the pharaoh was the earthly incarnation through which Aten must be worshiped.

Akhenaten banned ancient festivals and closed temples that had honored other deities for centuries. He also founded a new capital city, Akhetaten (now Amarna), to honor Aten and break from the past.

But the radical new religion came crashing down with Akhenaten's death. Aten's temples were razed and Egyptians once more worshiped a full pantheon of favored gods.

The Amarna era ended with the disappearance of the royal family's mummies, leaving an enduring mystery for scholars.


"There are probably as many theories about what's going on in the Amarna period as there are Egyptologists who have taken an interest in that period," said Aidan Dodson, an archaeologist at the University of Bristol in England.

The newly scanned mummy's tomb held some clues, however.

The face and cartouche, or nameplate, of the mummy's coffin had been hacked out. But traces of gold leaf, along with hieroglyphics surrounding the cartouche, hinted over the years that the body might belong to the heretical leader.

"I think the alteration of the coffin in KV 55 suggests it must be a male member of the Amarna royal family and most likely Akhenaten," said Peter Lacovara, an archaeologist for the Amarna Royal Tombs Project, which is affiliated with England's Durham University.
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 6:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Egyptians once more worshiped a full pantheon of favored gods. Philenos has a unique set of Gods. A large portion of them were mortals at one time.
At the time of The Arrival, there were only two deities, Dartos and Lightonia, and the 4elemental spirits. Lightonia and her consort grew tired of settling the squabbles between the new arrivals and the established races. They combined their vast powers and created the God Gems, and scattered these across the lands.
As mortals found the gems and discovered how to fully unlock the powers in the gems, they become deities themselves. Each gem was of a different color, shape, and power level. Many of the mortals discovering these gems, didn't know what they had until they actually
unlocked the power.
It has been many centuries since a gem was found and unlocked, but none think they have all been found. Dartos and Lightonia refuse to tell anyone how many they created and have them hidden from magical detection, even by the other gods and goddess.
Although each deity is fully a god or goddess, Dartos and Lightonia made sure that they could never been overthrown by not creating any gem that would give a mortal as much power as they themselves had.
The Lesser and Elemental dieties do not generally have organized churches, but they do have
clerics scattered around the realms
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 7:01PM
DAVID JOHNSON
It was Ptolemy I Soter (304-284 BC), who introduced Serapis. The Apis bull was sacred at Memphis, where the deceased APIs was known as Osiris-Apis, or "Oserapis," from which he derived the name of his new deity, "Serapis." Ptolemy built a temple for Serapis in Alexandria, where he placed a statue for the god: a man with curly hair, benign expression, and a long beard, in the same style used later for the representations of Christ in Coptic churches. Other than his temple at Alexandria, Serapis had another centre in Memphis, where, on the necropolis of Sakkara, the Serapeum became one of the most famous sites in the country.
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 7:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
REMEMBER THIS is scholarship information coming forth and any one wants to challenge it I suggest you study extra hard because if you come with anything less you will be no match ! its going to get real good so pay close attrition !
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 7:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
NOW LETS GET TO FOR A better understanding The Bible starts with the first five books, known as the 5 BOOKS OF MOSES .........

could this all be a LIE , PLAGIARIZED !

BEFORE YOU ANSWER STUDY ,,,ALL BLOCKS ARE OFF AND THIS IS OPEN FOR DEBATE !
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 5:10PM
Sunday, October 28th 2012 at 8:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,

Again, Serapis, the man/god. Alexander at the oracle. Is this what you wish to claim as Egypt?

Monday, October 29th 2012 at 2:39AM
Steve Williams
im trying to add the fact,,,,,, CHRISTIAN ROOTS IN THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT OF SERAPIS
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 1:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Serapis was turned into today's Jesus Christ !

Monday, October 29th 2012 at 1:47PM
DAVID JOHNSON
lets look deep into how this took place The First Council of Nicaea (naɪsi:ə; Greek: Νίκαια) was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[5][6]
Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Trinitarian issue of the nature of The Son and his relationship to God the Father,[3] the construction of the first part of the Creed of Nicaea, settling the calculation of the date of Easter,[2] and promulgation of early canon law.[4][7][8]
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 2:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The council settled, to some degree, the debate within the Early Christian communities regarding the divinity of Christ. This idea of the divinity of Christ, along with the idea of Christ as a messenger from God (The Father), had long existed in various parts of the Roman empire. The divinity of Christ had also been widely endorsed by the Christian community in the otherwise pagan city of Rome.[9] The council affirmed and defined what it believed to be the teachings of the Apostles regarding who Christ is: that Christ is the one true God in deity with the Father.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 2:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
notice this was the first The First Council of Nicaea,,it is important to note who was at this meeting Constantine had invited all 1800 bishops of the Christian church (about 1000 in the east and 800 in the west), but a smaller and unknown number attended. Eusebius of Caesarea counted 220,[19] Athanasius of Alexandria counted 318,[20] and Eustathius of Antioch counted 270[21] (all three were present at the council). Later, Socrates Scholasticus recorded more than 300,[22] and Evagrius,[23] Hilary of Poitiers,[24] Jerome[25] and Rufinus recorded 318. Delegates came from every region of the Roman Empire except Britain.
The participating bishops were given free travel to and from their episcopal sees to the council, as well as lodging. These bishops did not travel alone; each one had permission to bring with him two priests and three deacons; so the total number of attendees could have been above 1800. Eusebius speaks of an almost innumerable host of accompanying priests, deacons and acolytes.
A special prominence was also attached to this council because the persecution of Christians had just ended with the Edict of Milan, issued in February of AD 313 by Emperors Constantine and Licinius.
The Eastern bishops formed the great majority. Of these, the first rank was held by the three patriarchs: Alexander of Alexandria, Eustathius of Antioch, and Macarius of Jerusalem. Many of the assembled fathers—for instance, Paphnutius of Thebes, Potamon of Heraclea and Paul of Neocaesarea—had stood forth as confessors of the faith and came to the council with the marks of persecution on their faces. Historically, the influence of these marred confessors has been seen as substantial, but recent scholarship has called this into question.[26]
Other remarkable attendees were Eusebius of Nicomedia; Eusebius of Caesarea, the purported first church historian; legends attest and circumstances suggest that Nicholas of Myra attended (his life was the seed of the Santa Claus legends) but none of the ancient rolls include him; Aristakes of Armenia (son of Saint Gregory the Illuminator); Leontius of Caesarea; Jacob of Nisibis, a former hermit; Hypatius of Gangra; Protogenes of Sardica; Melitius of Sebastopolis; Achilleus of Larissa (considered the Athanasius of Thessaly)[27] and Spyridion of Trimythous, who even while a bishop made his living as a shepherd.[28][29] From foreign places came John, bishop of Persia and India[30], Theophilus, a Gothic bishop and Stratophilus, bishop of Pitiunt of Georgia.
The Latin-speaking provinces sent at least five representatives: Marcus of Calabria from Italia, Cecilian of Carthage from Africa, Hosius of Córdoba from Hispania, Nicasius of Dijon from Gaul,[27] and Domnus of Stridon from the province of the Danube.
Athanasius of Alexandria, a young deacon and companion of Bishop Alexander of Alexandria, was among the assistants. Athanasius eventually spent most of his life battling against Arianism. Alexander of Constantinople, then a presbyter, was also present as representative of his aged bishop.[27]
The supporters of Arius included Secundus of Ptolemais, Theonus of Marmarica, Zphyrius, and Dathes, all of whom hailed from the Libyan Pentapolis. Other supporters included Eusebius of Nicomedia,[31] Eusebius of Caesarea, Paulinus of Tyrus, Actius of Lydda, Menophantus of Ephesus, and Theognus of Nicea.[27][32]
"Resplendent in purple and gold, Constantine made a ceremonial entrance at the opening of the council, probably in early June, but respectfully seated the bishops ahead of himself."[17] As Eusebius described, Constantine "himself proceeded through the midst of the assembly, like some heavenly messenger of God, clothed in raiment which glittered as it were with rays of light, reflecting the glowing radiance of a purple robe, and adorned with the brilliant splendor of gold and precious stones."[33] He was present as an observer, and did not vote. Constantine organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate. Hosius of Cordoba may have presided over its deliberations; he was probably one of the Papal legates.[17] Eusebius of Nicomedia probably gave the welcoming address.[17][34]
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 2:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,

I think the key concept to consider is whether God could be a man. Did it start in Egypt? Maybe so. But we know it was common throughout the ancient world, and codified at Nicea (God in three persons, blessed trinity), and still in 2012 believed by many. But if it is not correct, we need to leave it behind. So I don't disagree about Serapis, or understanding history (and it certainly gives us an amazing insight into the origin of Christianity), but a correct understanding of history (to the extent we can have have a correct understanding) should propel us forwards.

Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:02PM
Steve Williams
Again keep in mind all the top religious people from all over the world was at this meeting, we are talking about heavy weights ,the main guys ,the cream of the crop ,,im sure your asking yourself ''why was this meeting called in the first place'', what was so big that all the religious people from all over the world HADTO BE THERE ,,,what was the agenda ?????? Im glad you asked !

They where called for debate, answers to compliant about world religion and the direction the people should go ,,,,, there was question the top religious people wanted answers to

the First Council of Nicea.

The agenda of the synod included:

The Arian question regarding the relationship between God the Father and Jesus; i.e., are the Father and Son one in divine purpose only or also one in being?

The date of celebration of the Paschal/Easter observation

The Meletian schism
The validity of baptism by heretics

The status of the lapsed in the persecution under Licinius[citation needed]

The council was formally opened May 20, in the central structure of the imperial palace at Nicea, with preliminary discussions of the Arian question. In these discussions, some dominant figures were Arius, with several adherents. "Some 22 of the bishops at the council, led by Eusebius of Nicomedia, came as supporters of Arius. But when some of the more shocking passages from his writings were read, they were almost universally seen as blasphemous."[17] Bishops Theognis of Nicea and Maris of Chalcedon were among the initial supporters of Arius.
Eusebius of Caesarea called to mind the baptismal creed of his own diocese at Caesarea at Palestine, as a form of reconciliation. The majority of the bishops agreed. For some time, scholars thought that the original Nicene Creed was based on this statement of Eusebius. Today, most scholars think that the Creed is derived from the baptismal creed of Jerusalem, as Hans Lietzmann proposed.
The orthodox bishops won approval of every one of their proposals regarding the Creed. After being in session for an entire month, the council promulgated on June 19 the original Nicene Creed. This profession of faith was adopted by all the bishops "but two from Libya who had been closely associated with Arius from the beginning."[18] No historical record of their dissent actually exists; the signatures of these bishops are simply absent from the Creed.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
STEVE ,,ok you got that point across but im trying to expose info based on my study of religion ,im going step by step , also on two different sites there is a scholarship discussion /debate going on right now and im pulling info from that and posting it here Christine and I are on skype going over the info right now
this is real deep ! i will be back soon ! the storm is reeking havoc on the NYC internet !
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Is it true no historical record of their dissent exists, even in Eusebius? I will need to look into this. And though the majority opinion prevailed, maybe Arius was closer to the truth. Of course by labeling him a heretic they were able to shut him down.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:17PM
Steve Williams
The Arian controversy was a Trinitarian dispute that began in Alexandria between the followers of Arius (the Arians) and the followers of St. Alexander of Alexandria (now known asHomoousians). Alexander and his followers believed that the Son was co-eternal with the Father, and divine in just the same sense that the Father is. The Arians believed that the Son shared neither the eternity nor the true divinity of the Father, but was merely the most perfect of the creatures.[35]

Position of Arius (Arianism)
Arius maintained that the Son of God was a Creature, made from nothing; and that he was God's First Production, before all ages. And he argued that everything else was created through the Son. Thus, said the Arians, only the Son was directly created and begotten of God; and therefore there was a time that He had no existence. Arius believed the Son Jesus was capable of His own free will of right and wrong, and that "were He in the truest sense a son, He must have come after the Father, therefore the time obviously was when He was not, and hence He was a finite being,"[38] and was under God the Father. The Arians appealed to Scripture, quoting verses such as John 14:28: "the Father is greater than I", and also Colossians 1:15: "Firstborn of all creation


Position of St. Alexander
Alexander and the Nicene fathers countered the Arians' argument, saying that the Father's fatherhood, like all of his attributes, is eternal. Thus, the Father was always a father, and that the Son, therefore, always existed with him. The Nicene fathers believed that to follow the Arian view destroyed the unity of the Godhead, and made the Son unequal to the Father, in contravention of the Scriptures ("I and the Father are one"; John 10:30). Further on it says "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me"; John 17:21.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST /SPIRIT

The Council declared that the Son was true God, co-eternal with the Father and begotten from His same substance, arguing that such a doctrine best codified the Scriptural presentation of the Son as well as traditional Christian belief about him handed down from the Apostles. Under Constantine's influence,[39] this belief was expressed by the bishops in the Nicene Statement, which would form the basis of what has since been known as the Nicene Creed.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 3:46PM
DAVID JOHNSON
REMEMBER WHEN I POSRED A PASSAGE ,,HERE IS WHAT CHRISTINE HAD TO SAY ,,,

from Pope Alexander in Egypt to Alexander and Eusebius is:

"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom"




Read the following and educate yourselves people:



Arius' Letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia
c 319 CE
(from Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, I, IV. LPNF, ser. 2, vol. 3, 41.

To his very dear lord, the man of God, the faithful and orthodox Eusebius, Arius, unjustly persecuted by Alexander the Pope, on account of that all conquering truth of which you also are a champion, sendeth greeting in the Lord.

Ammonius, my father, being about to depart for Nicomedia, I considered myself bound to salute you by him, and withal to inform that natural affection which you bear towards the brethern for the sake of God and His Christ, that the bishop greatly wastes and persecutes us, and leaves no stone unturned against us. He has driven us out of the city as atheists, because we do not concur in what he publicly preaches, namely, God always, the Son always; as the Father so the Son; the Son co-exists unbegotten with the God; He is everlasting; neither by thought nor by any interval does God precede the Son; always God, always Son; he is begotten of the unbegotten; the Son is of God Himself. Eusebius, your brother bishop of Caesarea, Theodotus, Paulinus, Athanasius, Gregorius, Aetius, and all the bishops of the East, have been condemned because they say that God had an existence prior to that of his Son; except Philogonius, Hellanicus, and Macarius, who are unlearned men, and who have embraced heretical opinions. Some of them say that the Son is an eructation, others that He is a production, others the He is also unbegotten. These are impieties to which we cannot listen, even though heretics threaten us with a thousand deaths. But we say and believe, and have taught, and do teach, that the Son is not unbegotten; and that He does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by His own will and counsel He has subsisted before time, and before ages, as perfect God, only begotten and unchangeable, and that before He was begotten, or created, or purposed, ot established, He was not. For He was not unbegotten. We are persecuted, because we say that the Son has a beginning, but that God is without beginning. This is the cause of our persecution, and likewise, because we say that He is of the non-existent. AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED; the rest you know. I bid thee farewell in the Lord, remembering our afflictions, my fellow-Lucianist, and true Eusebius.



The most important line in the above passage of Arius' letter is:

"AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"






Now....let us take both of these important lines from Alexander's letter and Arius' letter and combine them...and what do we see?


"That he is neither like the Father as it regards his essence, nor is by nature either the Father’s true Word, or true Wisdom, but indeed one of his WORKS and CREATURES, being erroneously called Word and Wisdom" "AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING.
FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED AND THIS WE SAY, BECAUSE HE IS NIETHER PART OF GOD, NOR OF ANY ESSENTIAL BEING. FOR THIS WE ARE PERSECUTED;"

Now let us discuss what has been hidden from you my Black people....what you have been miseducated into thinking is this (those of you who were even aware of the African Brother Arius); you have been falsely taught that the 'Son' that Arius was talking about was your 'Jesus the Christ'; it was in point of fact .....not.
The topic of his argument was never 'Jesus the Christ', as no such person by that name existed. The topic of Arius' argument and both letters quoted from above was ........the created creature 'Serapis'. The 'Father' or 'God' Arius was referring to was 'Osiris'. Those Bishops born in Egypt, ie. Arius and Origen (remember...."His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means "child of Horus" (from Ὡρος, "Horus", and γένος, "born".......), and many others.....knew the Truth of what had taken place between Ptolemy I. Soter (Saviour) and the Ancient Egyptian Priests of Memphis Egypt. The strong statement by Arius (which was one of the main things that brought the Council of Niceae, in 325 AD into being) "STATED THAT THE IMAGE OF SERAPIS WAS A 'CREATED CREATURE' , ALIEN AND DISSIMILAR IN ALL THINGS FROM THE FATHER (OSIRIS), A PERFECT CREATURE ABOVE ALL OTHER MAN-MADE CREATURES, BUT A CREATURE NEVERTHELESS". This resistance started the Arianist and Monophysite movement against the Serapis image (shown here http://urlm.in/gcuc ) and continued with the coming of the European Arab Monophysite in the seventh century (after the beginning of Christianity, which began with the Council of Chalcedon in the 5th century AD). The Arabs continued the resistance after being taught and introduced to Monophysite Christianity by the Coptic Egyptian (Jacob Baradaeus aka James Baradai). Eventually this led to the iconoclasm controversy which caused the Council of Niceae II to be convened in 787 AD. and continued into the Photius - Filioque schism 869-870 AD. and the tenth century Bogomil schism.

You are witnessing elements of a 921 year argument you know absolutely nothing about. It is time for that to change. Arius and many others lost their lives.....sacrificed their lives trying to tell you the Truth......and idiot uneducated Pastors have stood in the way of you ever gaining a clue as to what actually happened.

Monday, October 29th 2012 at 4:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the regional First Synod of Tyre,[1] and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.[2] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians.
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It's interesting how both sides found support in John's gospel. I will just go back to the very beginning of Genesis, "let us make man in our image". And speaking of Genesis, where and how do you think Berossus fits?

Monday, October 29th 2012 at 4:28PM
Steve Williams
IM GOING TO BRAKE IT DOWN FOR LIKE THIS FROM THE BOOK The Historical Origin of Christianity" by Dr. Walter Williams THIS WILL GIVE YOU

A BETTER UNDER STANDING !

that changed the modern world.


Source: "The Historical Origin of Christianity" by Dr. Walter Williams

Images of the "Created Creatures:

1. Serapis

2. Virgin Mary

2. Jesus, The Christ


It only took 5 meetings and 228 years to mold the spiritless creature of Serapis into Jesus, The Christ and the sordid ridden organization known as false religion.

A: 325AD The Council of Nicea
B. 381AD The Council of Constantinople I
C. 431AD The Council of Ephesus
D. 451AD The Council of Chalcedon
E. 553AD The Council of Constantinople II

These 3 "historical" events lead up to The Council of Nicea were: (a) The Donatist Schismatic Controversy; (b) The Donation of Constantine; (c) The Strong Statement of Arius

1. Constantine, the Greek was baptized into the Melechite Coptic religious community in order to merge politically with that group.

2. Constantine, the Greek then gave Sylvester I imperial power and deemed him the infallible and inerrant "Head Papa" over the Melechite religious community. The Melechite religious community were Coptic Egyptians who created and accepted the European icon/image of Serapis as a God, as opposed to the the Coptic Egyptians who did not accept Serapis as God and were thereafter known as the External Coptic Religious Community causing a split with the Internal Coptic Religious Community.

3. Sylvester I became the imperial power over the External Coptic Religious Community who accepted Serapis as the link between the Ancient Egyptians god "Osiris" and the sacred bull of Memphis, "Apis" created by the priest society of Memphis, Egypt (320BC).

4. The union between Constantine and Sylvester I (eg. He was African, btw) placed Sylvester the Vicar of the Serapis image. As the "Head Papa" of the Exterior Melechite Coptic Religious Community his purpose was to get Serapis accepted by the Interior Coptic Religious Community.

5. The union between Constantine and Sylvester I put into place the "Apostles; Creed -- a reform creed (eg. not to be confused with the A/C used today in Christian theology.) to worship the European spiritless creature: Serapis.

6. The man/bull Serapis, henceforth --considered a donation-- made Sylvester I equal to the false prophet Peter. Sylvester I began to set up his own council of bishops, clergymen and priests.

7. The Edict of Milan is a fallacy.

8. Arius, the Alexandrian Presbyter (eg. ah, so this is where the denomination known as the Presbyterians come into the world arena) refuted the Exterior Melechite Coptic religious community, as representative speaker for the Internal Melechite Coptic Religious Community. It was he who stated that Serapis was a "created creature" (eg. note that Arius is also an African) by stating "that the image of Serapis was "a created creature, alien and dissimilar in all things from the Father (Osiris), a perfect creature nevertheless."

Hence, the purpose of the Council of Nicean meeting of 325AD was to insert the image of the man/bull Serapis in the Ancient Egytpian Divine Triad to make it the son of Osiris instead of Horus thereby giving it a man-made divine spirit.

By the time the second meeting of 381AD for the Council of Constantinople I was ready the "Head Papa" was now Damasus. These tenets were brought forth and ratified:

1. reaffirmation of the "Nicean Homoousious Creed" and make it the official creed of the Byzantine Roman Government.

2. issue a decree to disown Arius, the Presbyter and his Arianist ideals.

3. make certain all future meetings include the recitation: "God the Father, God the Son, the same"

4. elevate Constantinople as the "First See" of honor and dignity,

5. Theodosius, now Emperor (eg. remember him?) began his seizures, pillages, and bloody massacres

6. Enter Theophilus, of the Internal Melechite Coptic Religious Community -- It was his actions that caused the destruction of "The Great Library of Egypt".

The Council of Ephesus (eg. the 3rd ecumenical council) in 431AD is the most important meeting. It is here that Poof! Viola' the man/bull Serapis is transfigured into Jesus, The Christ.

1. the created creature the Virgin Mary was inserted here after Nestorius (eg. also an African) fervently preached that the man/bull Serapis image was living w/o the human component.

2. the Emperor was now Theodosius II and Clementine I was the "Head Papa".

3. Again the "Nicean Homousious" Creed was re-affirmed.

4. Nestorius was condemned.

5. Bishop Cyril decreed that the "Son of Man" become flesh with and divine spirit by creating the Virgin creature Theotokos "Mother of God" and proclaiming Serapis as her birth child and Poof" Viola Serapis becomes flesh and instantly becomes Jesus, The Christ.

Now don't forget that when Alexander, the Greek invaded Ancient Egypt, he failed to become the Soter (eg. savior) and instead his general Ptolemy I Lagi was granted that title This title passed thru the man/bull Serapis to Jesus, The Christ.

Twenty years later enter the 4th ecumenical council of 451AD, The Council of Chalcedon,

1. once again the NHC was re-affirmed.
2. Nestorians, the Arianists and Monophysites were repudiated b/c they all rejected the created creature the Virgin Mary.
3. the "Head Papa" was now Leo I.
4. the man/bull Serapis was proclaimed the anointed as the Messiah
5. Jesus, the Christ was confirmed as One Perfect Father and One
Perfect God (eg, Father and Son were combined).

The last and 5th ecumentical council was called The Council of Constantinople II.of 553AD and went to work to disown the written instructions in the "3 Chapters" (eg. Edict of Justinian, 544AD) of the deceased African Bishop Theodore Mopsuestia-Bishop Theodoret of Cyr and Bishop Ibas of Edessa. Emperor Justinian was encouraged by his advisor, Theodore Ascidas, to take full ecclesiastical power from the then "Head Papa" Vigilius and establish himself as the head of the first christian church called Hagia Sophia (eg. hey, I remember this building! Its in my Sims City game, LOL) -- note here that this had been Emperor Justinian and Empress Theodora aim all the time, consequently fulfilling Constantine, the Greeks secret plan to take back the temporal powers he'd given to Sylvester I in the first dayum place -- note also that was here that the Euro pre-plan to remove all the Black African Saints began (eg. hmmm I do remember saying that before). Hence, Justinian became Pope and "Head Papa" went away quietly into the night.

In summary, all the Africans in this drama were just pawns in "spiritually dead organization of white supremacy that became the Roman Catholic Church.

Facts

Arius (256 - 336 AD) was a Libyan theologian and of Berber descent.

Coptic Christian - An Egyptian who accepted the Dyophysitic union at the third ecumentical meeting

Dyophysitic Union - combined nature of divinity and humanity first in Serapis who then became Jesus, the Christ

Head Papa - This was the name first given to Sylvester I as head patriarch over the External Melechite Coptic Religious Community

Nicean Homoousious Creed - a creed developed at the first ecumenical meeting holding the theory that God the Father (eg. Osiris) and God the Son (Serapis) are identifical in substance.

See - physical location of the patriachal center of authority. The first was Hagia Sophia; today it is The Vatican

Theotokos - the title given the created creature the Virgin Mary who evolved thru Serapis and became the mother of JC, the Christ
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Monday, October 29th 2012 at 4:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Wow, great to hear from Christine! But now I've got another homework assignment, damn!
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 4:43PM
Steve Williams
The Historical Origin of the Name Jesus


The origin of the name Jesus is from the Greek god Zeus who is the same as the

Roman god Jupiter. Jesus or Iesus is the Greek and Latin spelling of the name. Prior to

the invasion of ancient Kemet by Alexander the great in 332 B.C.E, the Greeks had no

alphabet or written language. Greeks at this time were warlike barbarians fascinated by

the intellect of the people of ancient Kemet (Egypt). The Greek invaders wanted to

be included in the secret Egyptian spiritual system but there was a problem; the priest

teachers could not accept the Greeks into the spiritual system because human form could

not be worshipped as Gods in ancient Kemet. People in ancient Kemet paid homage to

ancestors and tried to stay in tune with the universe through the principles of Maat. The

Greek invaders eventually convinced a group of priest teachers in the city of Memphis to

accept the worship of a god in human form in 320 B.C.E.

One of the first task of the traitor priest also known as the Melchite Coptics, due

to Memphis being their home, was to take one part of the Medu Netcher writing system

and adopt it to the Greek language. This is called the Hieratic Demotic, proof of this act

can be seen later when the Rosetta stone was used to decipher a small portion of the

Medu Netcher. Alexander’s general Ptolemy took control of Kemet after Alexander’s

death. He was the person who convinced the Mechite Coptics to accept him into their

spiritual system and to be worshipped as a god in 320 B.C.E. Amazingly, Ptolemy’s

other Greek name was Soter which means savior. This title was given to him due to his

military conquest.

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In order to make Soter into a god, the Melchite Coptics fused Osiris, who was

worshipped as a god with the sacred Apis bull of Memphis. These two words combined

give you Osirapis or Serapis, which means the savior and leader of souls to the light. He

was also called the one who raises the dead and protector in the after life. This figure of

Serapis was later forced upon all of the people of Kemet to worship and was placed

alongside Isis, breaking the link between Osiris and Isis. Those who did not

accept the image worshipped secretly in their homes.

The Romans later conquered Kemet and by 543 A.C.E. the first Roman church

was built in Kemet, called the Coptic monophysite church. The Roman emperor

Justinian appointed Baradai a priest from this church to evangelize among the Arabs, this

led to Mohammed receiving information concerning this new religion and creating Islam.



196- 197 B.C.E. Ptolemy V Epiphanes Eucharistos (Ruler of Egypt) celebrates a holiday to honor the Melchite Coptic Egyptians who created Serapis and worship him as a god. This was called the Eucharist and is used in the Catholic Mass. (Notice the Christ in the name.)

325 A.C.E. After Constantine made Christianity an official religion the only title given to the Christ image was Serapis. The Greeks continued to call him Zeus (Iesu) in their language or Serapis when in Egypt and the Romans called him Jupiter (Iupiter).

431 A.C.E. The council of Ephesus introduced the Christ Serapis as the Messiah, during this event Isis was stripped of her attributes turned into the virgin Mary to appease the Romans. During this time there is no letter J. The capital Latin I and small i functioned as the g or j sound. For the next 800 years the I or z as in Iesu or Iupiter took the form of the sound we call the letter j. All of these letters have their root in the Egyptian alphabet.

1240 A.C.E. The monophysite Christians developed a new name for the human god or Christ Serapis due to the outdating of the name. The Romans and Greeks only used the name Serapis when in ancient Kemet. A new international name needed to be created to
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suit all of the Christians. Part of the idea to create a new name was due to Muhammed being accepted as leader of the religion Islam.

1245 A.C.E. At the first Ecumenical Council of Lyons, under the leadership of Innocent the IV. The name Iesu or Zeus was chosen as the official name for the Christ. Iesu was
known as the Nur Muhammed Haqiqa (to sing praises) or new Muhammed, one who was divine and to worshipped as god, unlike the human faceless prophet Muhammed.

1245 A.C.E. The characters Serapis 320 b.c.e. and the mythical Jehoshua ben Pandira 120 B.C.E. were put together to form the character Jesus. This was done because Serapis had no official history and Jehoshua ben Pandira had no official name. Both were mythical figures who needed a foundation.

1630 A.C.E. The letter J is used to replace the I and Iesu becomes Jesus. The Je meaning I in French and sus referring to zeus, can be referred to as “I am Zeus” In French Je never stands alone.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 5:04PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Here's my problem. If we take Nicaea 325 as historical fact, and they quoted scripture about Jesus the Christ, how do we get to this being a later construct? Or is the history (specifically Eusebius) of Nicaea 325 a forgery?
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 5:30PM
Steve Williams
Nicaea (/naɪˈsiːə/; Greek: Νίκαια) was a Hellenic city in northwestern Anatolia, and is primarily known as the site of the First and Second Councils of Nicaea (the first and seventh Ecumenical councils in the early history of the Church), the Nicene Creed (which comes from the First Council), and as the capital city of the Empire of Nicaea.Nicaea or Nikaia (Greek: Νίκαια) may be:
The ancient name of several places, including:
Nicaea - formerly capital of the Empire of Nicaea current location of İznik, Turkey
Nice, France
Nicaea, Locris, a fortress city of the Locri Epicnemidii
Nicaea, Punjab, city in the Punjab, built by Alexander the Great
Nikaia, Illyria, an ancient Greek colony in Illyria
Modern places
Nikaia, Attica, a suburb of Athens, Greece
Nikaia, Larissa, a town in the Larissa regional unit, Greece
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 7:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Nikaia, Illyria, an ancient Greek colony in Illyria
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 7:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
But again, can we trust the history of the Council of Nicaea 325 CE? Can we trust Eusebius? What other evidence do we have for the Council of Nicaea and what was really decided there, if anything? Not being lazy, just haven't had time to look into it yet.
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 10:16PM
Steve Williams
its all in the last 10 post
Monday, October 29th 2012 at 11:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Constantine and Eusebius

http://books.google.com/books?id=LGDjJK-Je...

Tuesday, October 30th 2012 at 12:03AM
Steve Williams
im trying to show the CHRISTIAN ROOTS IN THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT OF SERAPIS
Tuesday, October 30th 2012 at 1:58AM
DAVID JOHNSON
And I believe you. It's just that I'm not getting the timeframe for that. And many parallels can also be drawn with Horus.
Tuesday, October 30th 2012 at 10:30AM
Steve Williams
http://www.ftarchives.net/foote/crimes/con...
Tuesday, October 30th 2012 at 10:58PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The earliest formation of human society which can be distinguished from the gregarious horde with its general promiscuity of intercourse between the s*xes is now beginning to be known by the name of totemism, a word only heard the other day. Yet nothing later than the totemic stage of sociology is fundamental enough as ground to go upon in discussing sign-language, mythology, and fetishism, or in tracing the rootlets of religion; and the study of the subject has but just commenced. It had been omitted, with all its correlates and implications, from previous consideration and teachings concerning the prehistoric past and present status of the scattered human family. On this line of research the inquiries and explorations which go back to this tangible beginning are now the only profitable studies. The results of these alone can be permanent. All the rest were tentative and transitory. But 'no satisfactory explanation of the origin of totemism has yet been given.' So says the writer of a book on the subject .

Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 1:39AM
DAVID JOHNSON
So ancient was totemism in Egypt that the totems of the human mothers had become the signs of goddesses, in whom the head of the beast was blended with the figure of the human female. The totems of the human mothers had attained the highest status as totems of a motherhood that was held to be divine, the motherhood in nature which was elemental in its origin. So ancient was totemism in Egypt that the tems were no longer mere groups, clans, or brotherhoods of people, or a collection of huts like the tembs of the Ugogo. The human groups had grown and expanded until the primitive dwelling-places had become great cities, and the burial-mounds of still earlier cities; the zootype of the motherhood and the brotherhood had become the blazon of the kingdom. If we take the city to be the Egyptian temai, the lion was the totem of the temai in Leontopolis; the hare was the totem of the temai in Unnut; the crocodile was a totem of the temai in Crocodilopolis; the cat in the temai of Pi-Bast (Bubastes); the wolf was the totem of Lycopolis; the water-cow of Teb; the oxyrhynchus of Pi-Maza; the apis of Ni-ent-Hapi; the ibis of Hermopolis; the bull of Mendes; the eel of Latopolis; the dog-headed ape of Cynopolis.
Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 1:50AM
DAVID JOHNSON
ANCIENT EGYPT

TOTEMISM, AS FORMS OF SIGN-LANGUAGE
Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 1:51AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION CONSTANT.

The chief features of the Egyptian religion remained unchanged from the Vth and VIth dynasties down to the period when the Egyptians embraced Christianity, after the preaching of St. Mark the Apostle in Alexandria, A.D. 69, so firmly had the early beliefs taken possession of the Egyptian mind; and the Christians in Egypt, or Copts as they are commonly called, the racial descendants of the ancient Egyptians, seem never to have succeeded in divesting themselves of the superstitious and weird mythological conceptions which they inherited from their heathen ancestors. It is not necessary here to repeat the proofs, of this fact which M. Amineau has brought together,[1] or to adduce evidence from the lives of the saints, martyrs and ascetics; but it is of interest to note in passing that the translators of the New Testament into Coptic rendered the Greek {Greek a!'dhs} by ###, amenti, the name which the ancient Egyptians gave to the abode of man after death,[3] and that the Copts peopled it with beings whose prototypes are found on the ancient monuments.
Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 2:37AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ah, yet more history to study. Happy Thanksgiving David.
Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 1:51PM
Steve Williams
thanks steve ,same to you to ,,,you are cool with me ,,,,,
Thursday, November 22nd 2012 at 2:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Greetings to all my name is David Johnson ''The Blog King'' one of the senior members of ''BLACK IN AMERICA'' take a minute and read and understand what im about to say I thank you in advance for reading and your feedback, this is for every black person in america .

Here is a serious question im bringing to the community of ''Black In America'' HBCU and black people all over the United States.

Since President Barack Obama achieved what most Blacks (if not all Blacks) thought was impossible, this call for “Black unity” has been an overarching theme of everything the African American community (multiple and singular) desires to achieve in the 21st Century. People who have never agreed on the same thing, at the same time, EVER, since someone suggested we just walk away from slavery, suddenly got this “lovin’ feelin’,” conditional – of course.

The divide in Black America is as large as ever. The “my way or the highway” mentality is prevalent, despite Obama ‘s name being invoked at every turn. Stuff like, “If Barack Obama can be elected President of the United States, we mostly certainly can come together.” It’s sickening, largely because it’s most commonly voiced by many who didn’t believe Obama could be elected President in the first place.

The vision behind his candidacy was absent in many that now have had an epiphany. Most had to be run over, literally, by the change they were standing in front of. That epiphany is that “some people” realized they were about to be left behind, and Black people never met a bandwagon they couldn’t catch. Opportunities for change are often lost in the “debate” (if you want to call it that) of what change is and who is really capable of change.

Whether the debate is generational or ideological, neither side of the debate really believes that the other has the answer to bring real change into reality. The “age of Obama” has changed one reality about America, but whether it changes the state of Black communities has yet to be seen.

When you look into some of the things Harry has been trying to push on the members of this site ''black people need there own land ,and black AMERICA needs a prophet'' we got to many high priced prophets now that pass around the offering plate every 5 min in a 3 hr span by the time I leave church im worst of then when I got there because we need the community churches to open there doors everyday. Harry said we need our own land it made me think .why does it take something bad to happen for black people to come together ,look at Travon Martin killing and how black people came together yes white people came out and support the cause but it was a black thang now just the other day a 17 year old got killed by another white man for playing his music to loud, im sure there will be a cry of black unity if the Justice system dont act properly Al Sharpton , Jesse Jackson and all of the so called freedom fighters will join hand again singing we shall over come !

The fact is, if we had waited for Black unity to come about on the simple question of whether Barack’s candidacy was credible before we supported him, Obama would have never been elected, because the divide was in evidence and deeply entrenched. One side had to do what they had to do. The other side jumped on the bandwagon after the outcome was in evidence. That’s a fact. The call for Black unity is often a call to disrupt the opportunity for change. So when certain people call for change, why don’t I believe them?

Whether it was the runaway or the enslaved, the freedman (emancipated slave), or the free man (Blacks who had never been enslaved), the emergence of the so-called “Black leader” voice in Frederick Douglass or Martin Delany, Booker T. Washington or W.E.B. DuBois, Marcus Garvey or A. Phillip Randolph, Walter White or Charles Houston, Martin Luther King or Roy Wilkins (or Thurgood Marshall), Elijas and Malcolm, the Panthers and US, Farrakhan and Jesse, the Baptist and the Methodists, Christian and Muslims, the Crips and Bloods, Rich and poor, dark skinned and light skinned and the examples go on and on, Black America never operated from a single united point of view.

The largest (and most disruptive) divides in the history of Black America stemmed out of questions of when it was time to change, why we needed to change, how the change would occur, and of course something we can never ignore, who would lead the change. Many times, most change agents were of the same ideology, all wanting to change our realities. Others were just agents…period. Change was no where on their agenda, though disruption was. Provocateurs are as common as activists in our community and we don’t recognize interlopers like we once did.

There is no test for “change agents.” Just like there is no test for change. It just happens when it happens, but change is stonewalled more times than not. Blacks in America just have never agreed on how the progress we say we all want can ever come about. The divide often stems from realities of what’s real versus the realities of what could be. There’s always someone who either can see the new reality or won’t see the new reality. The investiture in the status quo always seems to conquer the idealism that encompasses change. The call for unity is often a fraudulent call to accept compromised realities. At other times, the call is made by false prophecies and even more false prophets. The legitimacy questions of who’s more legitimate than whom. And, of course, legitimacy is defined by no construct of one’s own.

Whatever the reason, ideas about progress somehow never give way to unity. It’s never about unity, but the “winners” and “losers” in the cause of change. Rarely, change is the winner because of the mindset that if we all can’t win, none of us will win. We can’t move the ball up the field ten yards at a time. It’s a touchdown or interception on a “Hail Mary” pass. Some of us can’t win now and others win later. Because those at the bottom of the well don’t trust that there will be a later. So nobody goes anywhere. Just look at the absence of change in every city in America. The evidence of “lost battles” are in evidence. Change is not in evidence.

Every organization, group, cluster, “movement” I’ve ever been involved in, over three decades, was undermined on the “unity” tip. Even in the 21st Century “change movement,” the vestiges of Black disunity that causes the Black divide in the 19th and 20th Centuries continue to persist. It doesn’t mean change won’t occur. It just means some will catch the bandwagon on the other side (if they ever catch it at all). The call for unity is the toughest challenge for Black America. It’s almost as impossible as electing a Black President. At least I can say I’ve seen one of them in my lifetime.

Now let me ask your ,what are your thoughts towards unity ,real unity in black america ,,Put all religion aside RIGHT NOW and lets brainstorm this thing called UNITY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY !

Liston to the words of unity by MALCOLM X Wake Up, Clean Up and Stand Up !
Thursday, November 29th 2012 at 8:59PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...
Thursday, November 29th 2012 at 9:00PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Americans and Europeans assume that the Bible is about them, but the Bible is about my ancient ancestors and me…
Modern-day Jews see the Bible as a record of their history because the King James Bible is centered on the history of Israel.
The Jewish people of Europe and America still carry African Tribal names. They carry the names of their ancestors who were Africans.
Statistically, the Lemba people from Southeast Africa are more Jewish than European Jews. In a particular Lemba Clan known as the Buba Clan, 53 percent of the males carry the unique DNA signature of Jewish priests. Males form the Lemba Tribe carry a higher incidence of the Jewish priestly DNA signature than the European and American Jewish population.
When the police have the fingerprints of a wanted man, they know the man whose prints match those they have is the one they seek. The same thing can be said here.
The early Roman Catholic Church portrayed Jesus and his mother in the original Black images of the Jewish people at that time--The Black Madonna. What African tribe were they from? The time period of the early Catholic Church is closer to the Jews leaving Africa and going to Europe than the Renaissance Painters who painted Jesus White.
What Europe did not count on was that Africans would still know their past.
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Africans Who Wrote The Bible
This book contains the most fascinating revelations ever made about the Bible and the people of the Bible in the past two thousand years. Jews originated from black African tribes. That makes Jesus and the people of the Bible black people. The names of authors of the Old Testament are African tribal names and modern Jews still carry tribal names. Did you know that the word Israel is an African word? These are some of the ancient secrets this book reveals to readers.
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT RELIGION YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THE TRUTH MIGHT MAKE YOU RUN FROM WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS TRUE !


BE CAREFUL TRUTH NEED NO ANSWER IT STANDS ALONE ,,,,,,

TAKING ABOUT THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST ,,,NOW READ THIS THEN TELL ME IF YOU CAN HOW THE TOOK A BLACK JESUS AND MADE HIM WHITE !

The Ancient Egyptian priests and priestesses (your Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt) who capitulated to Ptolemy I SOTER (SAVIOUR) were located in Memphis ('Mem-Nefer'.....'the place of beauty') Egypt. It was this sacerdotal indigenous African 'sell out' community that went into the Divine triad of their Native country in Africa...'Ancient Egypt') and extracted from it two different expressions of the same God figure in that Divine Triad; God Osiris and his another aspect of himself as the Apis Bull thereby syncretizing these different expressions of the one and same God Osiris now personified by the hybrid name indicating the marraige between these two divine natures rendering one...Asar(Asaru or Osiris) - Hapi (ie. Apis)....culminating in the image of the white God Serapis. This was the first time in the history of black people's existence that they were forced to worship the IMAGE OF A WHITE MALE GOD:

They (the disloyal priests of Egypt) later created (on behalf of Ptolemy I SOTER, SAVIOUR) a devotional ritual to Serapis; he was spoken of as "THE SAVIOR AND LEADER OF SOULS, LEADING SOULS TO THE LIGHT AND RECIEVING AND RECIEVING THEM AGAIN". The ritual goes on to say " HE RAISES THE DEAD, HE WILL SAVE US AFTER DEATH AND WE WILL BE PROTECTED IN HIS PROVIDENCE".

Outline of History , by H.G. Wells Vol.1


At this point if you know nothing about Osiris, the Black God of your African Ancestors of Ancient Egypt, who so iincensed the white savage envious Greeks simply because they could not see in him their reflection as a result of the paleness of their own skin, I highly, highly .....highly suggest you take a moment to familiarize yourself with this 'God of the Blacks' as it is he whom this whole story centers around as you will eventually come to see. His very title was 'Lord of the Perfect Black':
Before we proceed any further (and we will) I cannot let you proceed any further until your mind is equipped with this information, or all else will be 'Chinese' to you (so to speak).

Read this information...count how many times the allusion is made to 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'.

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/osiri...


Read this information, and out of respect for your Black African Ancestors,(who you have been trained not even to consult or consider anymore in your homogenized lives), and even for your own very selves, I ask you to consider the historical facts as reflected by the historical record, the daily REALITY in their lives of terms such as 'resurrection', 'eternal life' and 'Lord'. Then and only then will you just begin to understand why the greatest white savages of their day wanted to be associated and affiliated with him BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. And then I will tell you what happened when your African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt helped one of the white savages (Ptolemy I. SOTER/SAVIOUR) achieve this 'life shattering' goal. Because it was our Black lives that were shattered as a consequence of this. Alex Haley gave you the rated G version of 'Roots'. I'm giving you the rated X version.....because X marks the spot and this is where it all began. Introduce yourselves to the God of your Great Black African Ancestors in Ancient Egypt
......God Osiris.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:27PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"The death of the grain and the death of the god were one and the same: the cereal was identified with the god who came from heaven; he was the bread by which man lives. The resurrection of the god symbolized the rebirth of the grain." (Larson 17) The annual festival involved the construction of "Osiris Beds" formed in shape of Osiris, filled with soil and sown with seed.[22] The germinating seed symbolized Osiris rising from the dead. An almost pristine example was found in the tomb of Tutankhamun by Howard Carter.[23]
The first phase of the festival was a public drama depicting the murder and dismemberment of Osiris, the search of his body by Isis, his triumphal return as the resurrected god, and the battle in which Horus defeated Set. This was all presented by skilled actors as a literary history, and was the main method of recruiting cult membership. According to Julius Firmicus Maternus of the fourth century, this play was re-enacted each year by worshippers who "beat their breasts and gashed their shoulders.... When they pretend that the mutilated remains of the god have been found and rejoined...they turn from mourning to rejoicing." (De Errore Profanorum).
The passion of Osiris was reflected in his name 'Wenennefer" ("the one who continues to be perfect"), which also alludes to his post mortem power.[13]
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:28PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OK if you gone this far then you need to take one more step to the facts Biblical scholar Bruce M. Metzger notes that in one account of the Osirian cycle he dies on the 17th of the month of Athyr (approximating to a month between October 28 and November 26 in modern calendars), is revivified on the 19th and compares this to Christ rising on the "third day" but he thinks "resurrection" is a questionable description.[25]
Egyptologist Erik Hornung observes that Egyptian Christians continued to mummify corpses (an integral part of the Osirian beliefs) until it finally came to an end with the arrival of Islam, and argues for an association between the passion of Jesus and Osirian traditions, particularly in the apocryphal gospel of Nicodemus and Christ's descent into Hades. He concludes that whilst Christianity rejected anything "pagan" it did so only at a superficial level and that early Christianity was "deeply indebted" to Ancient Egypt."[26]
David J. MacLeod argues that the resurrection of Osiris differs from Jesus Christ, saying:
Perhaps the only pagan god for whom there is a resurrection is the Egyptian Osiris. Close examination of this story shows that it is very different from Christ's resurrection. Osiris did not rise; he ruled in the abode of the dead. As biblical scholar, Roland de Vaux, wrote, 'What is meant of Osiris being "raised to life?" Simply that, thanks to the ministrations of Isis, he is able to lead a life beyond the tomb which is an almost perfect replica of earthly existence. But he will never again come among the living and will reign only over the dead. This revived god is in reality a "mummy" god.'... No, the mummified Osiris was hardly an inspiration for the resurrected Christ... As Yamauchi observes, 'Ordinary men aspired to identification with Osiris as one who had triumphed over death. But it is a mistake to equate the Egyptian view of the afterlife with the biblical doctrine of resurrection. To achieve immortality the Egyptian had to meet three conditions: First, his body had to be preserved by mummification. Second, nourishment was provided by the actual offering of daily bread and beer. Third, magical spells were interred with him. His body did not rise from the dead; rather elements of his personality - his Ba and Ka - continued to hover over his body.'[27]
Saint Augustine wrote "that the Egyptians alone believe in the resurrection, as they carefully preserved their dead bodies."[28]
A. J. M. Wedderburn further argues that resurrection in Ancient Egypt differs from the "very negative features" in Judaeo-Christian tradition, as the Ancient Egyptians conceived of the afterlife as entry into the glorious kingdom of Osiris.[29]
Marvin Mayer notes that some scholars regard the idea of dying and rising deities in the mystery religions as being fanciful but suggests this may be motivated by apologetic concerns, attempting to keep Christ's resurrection as a unique event. In contrast he argues that the ancient story of dying and rising in the divine, human and crops, (with Osiris as an example), is vindicated and reaches a conclusion in Christianity.[30]
[edit]Ikhernofret Stela ,,,,,
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
people say what is the big deal about the color of JESUS I say if ti is not such a big deal them why did they make him white ,,,I cant see my self bowing down to a white JESUS and all manking started in a black land ,,,my GOD ,,HAS TO BE BLACK IN SPIRIT !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christ_My...
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE EXISTENCE IN HEAVEN.

The life of the Osiris of a man in heaven is at once material and spiritual and it seems as if the Egyptians never succeeded in breaking away from their very ancient habit of confusing the things of the body with the things of the soul. They believed in an incorporeal and immortal part of man, the constituent elements of which flew to heaven after death and embalmment; yet the theologians of the VIth dynasty had decided that there was some part of the deceased which could only mount to heaven by means of a ladder. In the pyramid of Teta it is said, "When Teta hath purified himself on the borders of this earth where Ra hath purified himself, he prayeth and setteth up the ladder, and those who dwell in the great place press Teta forward with their hands." In the pyramid of Pepi I.

The king is identified with this ladder: "Isis saith, 'Happy are they who see the 'father,' and Nephthys saith, 'They who see the father have rest,' speaking unto the father of this Osiris Pepi when he cometh forth unto heaven among the stars and among the luminaries which never set. With the urs on his brow, and his book upon both his sides, and magic words at his feet, Pepi goeth forward unto his mother Nut, and he entereth therein in his name Ladder." The gods who preside over this ladder are at one time Ra and Horus, and at another Horus and Set. In the pyramid of Unas it is said, "Ra setteth upright the ladder for Osiris, and Horus raiseth up the ladder for his father Osiris, when Osiris goeth to [find] his soul; one standeth on the one side, and the other standeth on the other, and Unas is betwixt them. Unas standeth up and is Horus, he sitteth down and is Set." And in the pyramid of Pepi I. we read, "Hail to thee, O Ladder of God, hail to thee, O Ladder of Set. Stand up, O Ladder of God, stand up, O Ladder of Set, stand up, O Ladder of Horus, whereon Osiris went forth into heaven . . . . . . This Pepi is thy son, this Pepi is Horus, thou hast given birth unto this Pepi even as thou hast given birth unto the god who is the lord of the Ladder. Thou hast given him the Ladder of God, and thou hast given him the Ladder of Set, whereon this Pepi hath gone forth into heaven . . . . . . Every khu and every god stretcheth out his hand unto this Pepi when he cometh forth into heaven by the Ladder of God . . . . that which he seeth and that which he heareth make him wise, and serve as food for him when he cometh forth into heaven by the Ladder of God. Pepi riseth up like the urs which is on the brow of Set, and every khu and every god stretcheth out his hand unto Pepi on the Ladder. Pepi hath gathered together his bones, he hath collected his flesh, and Pepi hath gone straightway into heaven by means of the two fingers of the god who is the Lord of the Ladder." Elsewhere we are told that Khonsu and Set "carry the Ladder of Pepi, and they set it up."

When the Osiris of a man has entered into heaven as a living soul, he is regarded as one of those who "have eaten the eye of Horus he walks among living ones, he becomes "God, the son of God," and all the gods of heaven become his brethren. His bones are the gods and goddesses of heaven; his right side belongs to Horns, and his left side to Set; the goddess Nut makes him to rise up as a god without an enemy in his name "God"; and God calls him by his name. His face is the face of Ap-uat, his eyes are the great ones among the souls of Annu, his nose is Thoth, his mouth is the great lake, his tongue belongs to the boat of right and truth, his teeth are the spirits of Annu, his chin is Khert-khent-Sekhem, his backbone is Sema, his shoulders are Set, his breast is Beba. etc.; every one of his members is identified with a god. Moreover, his body as a whole is identified with the God of Heaven. For example it is said concerning Unas:-- t'et-k t'et ent Unas pen af-k af en Unas pen Thy body is the body of Unas this. Thy flesh is the flesh of Unas this. kesu-k kesu Unas pen seb-k seb Unas pen Thy bones are the bones of Unas this. Thy passage is the passage of Unas this. seb Unas pen seb-k The passage of Unas this is thy passage.

Further, this identification of the deceased with the God of Heaven places him in the position of supreme ruler. For example, we have the prayer that Unas "may rule the nine gods and complete the company of the nine gods," and Pepi I., in his progress through heaven, comes upon the double company of the gods, who stretch out their hands, entreating him to come and sit down among them.
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
According to Christian apologists, the alleged fulfillment of the messianic prophecies in the mission, death, and resurrection of Jesus proves the accuracy of the Bible and that Jesus is the Son of God. However, according to Jewish scholars, Christian claims that Jesus is the textual messiah of the Hebrew Bible are based on mistranslations[43][44][45] and Jesus did not fulfill the qualifications for Jewish Messiah. An example of this is Isaiah 7:14. Christians read Isaiah 7:14 as a prophetic prediction of Jesus' birth from a virgin, while Jews read it as referring to the birth of Ahaz's son, Hezekiah.[46][47] They also point out that the word Almah, used in Isaiah 7:14, is part of the Hebrew phrase ha-almah hara, meaning "the almah is pregnant." Since the present tense is used, they maintain that the young woman was already pregnant and hence not a virgin. This being the case, they claim the verse cannot be cited as a prediction of the future.[47][48]
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:31PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Makes You Think

Many elements of the 'Passion' make no sense historically.

A trial for Jesus, when suspected rebels were habitually arrested and executed by the Romans without trial? Philo of Alexandria (On the embassy to Gaius, XXXVIII) speaks of Pilate's 'continual murders of people untried and uncondemned.'

And why would the Romans have allowed a convicted felon to be almost immediately removed from his cross and put in a tomb? Crucifixion was chosen precisely to make a public point that the most cruel and humiliating form of punishment awaits those who oppose Rome's will. Roman disposition on this point was perhaps best summed up by Quintilian (AD 35-95, Decl. 274) when he wrote that:

"Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where most people can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not so much to retribution as to their exemplary effect."


A century earlier, after the 'slave revolt' led by Spartacus, 6,000 prisoners were thus crucified along the Via Appia between the cities of Rome and Cappua, as a gruesome deterrent to further rebellion. Doubtless the corpses were left on their crosses to rot or to provide food for wild beasts and birds of prey.

But of course if the 'Passion' were really a pageant of a re-born sun-god it makes perfect sense that the 'sacrificed' actor be taken off-stage, subsequently reappearing in a later act, 'reborn'…

Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Where Did They Get Their Ideas From?



Asclepius

Asclepius. Believed by the Greeks to have once lived as a man and raised to a god after death. He was fathered by a god – Apollo – but with a human mother (Coronis, a beautiful maiden of Thessaly). He was raised by the centaur Chiron in a cave and from him learned the art of healing. But Asclepius committed the unpardonable sin of raising a man from the dead, enraging Hades for cheating him of dead souls. Zeus, afraid that Asclepius might render all men immortal, slew him with a thunderbolt. Apollo interceded on behalf of his son and persuaded Zeus to make Asclepius the god of medicine. As an immortal, Asclepius was able to cure the sick from the realm of the gods.

Certainly, for centuries, sick people went to the temples dedicated to Asclepius hoping for a cure. It was said that those who came to Asclepius on crutches went away dancing happily. Famous temples of the god were at Pergamum, Epidaurus, Cos and Rome. Full participation in the healing program involved sleeping inside the temple compound – in effect, the first hospitals – where 'holistic' treatment involved massage, baths and dream interpretation. Fortunate individuals did indeed experience a "healing miracle" and gave testimony to the cure effected by this Greek god.

The early Christians attacked the cult of Asclepius with great venom, indicating a close rivalry between the two cults and a certain embarrassment among Christians repeatedly being told that Asclepius had already done all of Jesus' tricks – and had done them better.

Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Death
Zeus killed Asclepius with a thunderbolt because he raised Hippolytus from the dead and accepted gold for it.[14] Other stories say that Asclepius was killed because after bringing people back from the dead, Hades thought that no more dead spirits would come to the underworld, so he asked his brother Zeus to remove him. This angered Apollo who in turn murdered the Cyclopes who had made the thunderbolts for Zeus.[15] For this act, Zeus suspended Apollo from the night sky[16] and commanded Apollo to serve Admetus, King of Thessaly for a year. Once the year had passed, Zeus brought Apollo back to Mount Olympus and revived the Cyclopes that made his thunderbolts.[13][17] After Asclepius' death, Zeus placed his body among the stars as the constellation Ophiuchus ("the Serpent Holder").[18]
Some sources also stated that Asclepius was later resurrected as a god by Zeus to prevent any further feuds with Apollo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Spirit in the Sky

For early Christians, Christ had NO physical existence. For them, he was not born, nor did he die.

"Jesus" in the early Gnostic gospels (Gospel of Thomas, Odes of Solomon, etc. ) is a teacher, a guide to spiritual development. He is placed in no historical context nor is he crucified.

Christ was the spirit or wisdom of God, present in all things. To attain self knowledge was to know "Christ."
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:32PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Making a Saint out of Peter

It seems curious, to say the least, that a Galilean fisherman, a married Jew and the designated ‘apostle of the circumcision’, should become the iconographic, patronising and protecting hero-figure at the heart of Roman Catholicism. With Jesus, Mary and the Father already in the pantheon, why did the church need another celestial hero?

The answer is: politics. The politics of power. In the first three centuries of the Christian era, Rome was not an especially important centre for the Faith. The great sees of the early Christian world were Alexandria, Ephesus and Antioch – each a centre of early proselytising and of a large Christian community. Each claimed some justifying link to an apostle. Paul had lived in Antioch, for example and John, it was said, had seen out his days in Ephesus. Mark was associated with Alexandria. Rome, in contrast, had no direct apostolic connection.

Jerusalem, the original Christian ‘centre of the world’ and anticipated venue for Christ’s descent from the clouds, had been destroyed in 70 AD. To the pious mind, the pagan ‘new town’ of Aelia, built upon its ruins, had lowly status and was subordinate to the see at Caesarea. Again, Caesarea could claim an apostolic connection: here, ‘Philip the evangelist’ had supposedly lived. In these eastern cities, the early church produced its first leaders, the Fathers who made the earliest attempts at defining doctrine and establishing the uniqueness of their faith. These were the ‘apologists’ who engaged in debate with Greek philosophers and competed with the priests of Mithra and other mystery religions. It was their stylii that wrote the earliest Christian scripture. For centuries, schools of philosophy, mystics, prophets and magicians had speculated on reality. Now that were joined by speculators in Christ, many themselves trained in rhetoric and classical philosophy.
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
What DID the Early Christians Believe?

There never was just one Christianity. Out of the milieu of religiosity that infected the Roman world, dozens of competing and conflicting Jesus/Sun-god/Mystery cults emerged.

The first believers in Jesus maintained he was an ethereal spirit, much like other sky/sun-gods. Only later did he acquire a human death, a human life and finally a human birth.

The composite 'Jesus Christ' character – god, man, king, carpenter, conqueror, peace-maker, dispenser of justice, advocate of love – was assembled to try to unify a fragmented and fractious messianic religious movement.

In the mid-2nd century the Jewishness of the faith was purged but apologists had little to say about a human Jesus. They took comfort in noting similarities between their own ideas and pagan myths.

The Christians remained a minority until well after one particular faction formed a political alliance with the Roman State.

The orthodox creed remained unpopular for centuries and persecution of its critics was necessary to impose its will.
Tuesday, December 25th 2012 at 8:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
OHHH ,,,robert powell you are not allowed to comment on this blog ! lmao ,,,got that ,,,you are not allowed to comment on this here ,right har no no you will not !
Wednesday, December 26th 2012 at 6:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
25490 hits" THIS WAS THE BEGINNING! THE LARGEST BIA BLOG.... THE MOST COMMENTS AND REPLIES....

I REMEMBER THIS DAY!
Saturday, February 2nd 2013 at 8:42PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
..... THE BEGINNING OF JAKE'S MADNESS!
Saturday, February 2nd 2013 at 8:43PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
cHRISTINE gave Jake No Diggity! He got's No Love!

She gave him some "Get Ready Cause Here I Come" and some You Can't Touch This"

I get it David this must have had to be a serious "attack" on his manhood...
Saturday, February 2nd 2013 at 8:48PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
http://www.brightmoments.com/blackhistory/
THE ANSWERS ! LEAVE YOU SCORE OVER AT THE BLOG !
Wednesday, February 6th 2013 at 10:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
How did the Rosetta stone provide the key to deciphering ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics?
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Rosetta Stone-Key to Egyptian Hieroglyphics
It was the year 1799. Four miles from the small Egyptian town of Rashid, or Rosetta, a corps of French soldiers was hard at work making alterations on Fort Julien. Thrown onto the defensive by the victory of the British fleet under Nelson, the French army under Napoleon was preparing for a last stand.
Suddenly, one of the soldiers came across a most unusual stone. It was black and had a metallic ring when struck by the workman's pick. Three of the corners had broken away. Looking more closely, he noticed that it was covered with curious writing. An officer named Boussard recognized the stone's value. Unquestionably the writing was very old. What was more, there were different types of writing making up the inscription, one of which included Greek characters.
When Napoleon heard about the stone, he ordered that copies of it be made, and later, when the stone was surrendered as part of the spoil of war, it was taken to England. By the end of 1802 it was on exhibition in the British Museum, where it still occupies the most prominent position in the Egyptian Sculpture Gallery.
The Rosetta Stone is of importance to linguists because its inscription is in two languages, Egyptian and Greek. At the top, the intriguing hieroglyphic characters are incised on the stone, and below this appears the demotic, or more popular simplified form, the writing of the people in general. The last band at the bottom contains the Greek translation.
Early Work on This New Key
Unknown writing has always attracted the curiosity of man. But cracking the most difficult and secret of codes has often proved simple by comparison with some ancient scripts. In the past, Egyptian hieroglyphics had been mistaken for mere ornamentation. Somehow the Chinese were thought to be involved with them, and at best they were viewed as a purely pictorial symbolism. But during the eighteenth century more serious attempts were made to unravel their mysteries, and ideas and theories began to take shape.
The Rosetta Stone was quickly recognized as a find of immense value to students of Egypt's history. The translation of the Greek portion had appeared in French and English by 1802, and, armed with this, scholars in several countries began to study the Egyptian texts. David Akerblad, a Swedish Orientalist, identified all the Greek names in the demotic section and formed a partial alphabet of sixteen letters. His error, however, was in thinking that the demotic script was exclusively alphabetic.
In 1814 an English scientist, Thomas Young, began to make some progress with the hieroglyphics. He began by dividing up the whole of the texts to correspond with the Greek. He noticed something that other investigators before him had commented upon. Six groups of signs were enclosed in an oblong ring called a cartouche, and this made them stand out prominently from the other signs. Their positions corresponded with a name in the Greek text, that of King Ptolemy. Young tried to break down the signs into the letters and syllables of his name. The result was as follows:
Another Englishman, W. J. Bankes, discovered an obelisk on the island of Philae, on the river Nile, and identified the cartouche of Cleopatra. It contained three of the signs found in the cartouche of Ptolemy. With other hieroglyphic texts to help him, and some judicious guessing thrown in as well, Young had a list of more than 200 words by around 1818, but only about a third of these were right. In addition, however, he was the first to realize that many of the signs had a phonetic or syllabic value.
At this point, Young lost interest in his studies, and faded from the scene. The field was left open for the man who was to crack the secrets of Egypt's ancient past in the most decisive and final manner.
Champollion Presses the Search
Jean François Champollion was not yet nine when the Rosetta Stone was found. At an early age he realized that the ancient Coptic language had descended from the still older Egyptian language, and so he set about mastering Coptic. That this was a vital stepping-stone was demonstrated when his knowledge of Coptic led him to his first success with the hieroglyphics.
As various signs yielded up their meanings through the intensive and painstaking efforts of Champollion, a simple but important idea struck him, in 1821. He added up the number of hieroglyphic signs on the Rosetta Stone, and found them to total 1,419. But the Greek text contained only 486 words, so clearly the hieroglyphics could not be just ideographs or symbols, as there were three times as many of them.
He returned to the name Ptolemy, already partly deciphered by Young. Correctly he now read it as 'Ptolmis' as follows:
With the discovery of the Bankes obelisk, Champollion could also correct his own suggested reading of the cartouche for Cleopatra. Having analyzed these two names letter by letter, Champollion studied every royal cartouche within reach.
As name after name was spelled out, it was noticed that they always seemed to belong to the later declining period of Egyptian history, in Ptolemaic and Roman times; too, none of the names were genuinely Egyptian, but foreign. Would his interpretation also open up the secrets of the more ancient Pharaohs? One day a different cartouche appeared. The first sign he knew to be the sun, which in Coptic is 'Re.' At the end was a double 's.' If the middle sign was an 'm,' why, the name must be 'R - m - s - s,' Rameses! The hieroglyphics had not changed radically for hundreds of years.
Now at last Champollion was certain that he had found the key to unlock the secrets of Egyptian history, but the excited and relentless search, carried on often against his physical needs, had left him weak and exhausted. For nearly a week he was too ill to set down his findings in a presentable manner. When his evidence was made known in 1822 it aroused much skepticism in certain quarters, and until his death from a stroke in 1832 he was unable to shake off the controversial storm that his decipherment had evoked.
The Stone Tells Its Story
But the way was now open. Other scholars took up the work where Champollion left off. In particular, Karl Richard Lepsius, a German, stolidly set himself to elucidate every detail, and in 1837 provided a thorough treatise on the matter. Another inscription found at Tanis (in Lower Egypt) in 1866 was like the Rosetta Stone. This stele contained a hieroglyphic and Greek text; a demotic text was in the margin. It has come to be called the Canopus Decree. Lepsius read the hieroglyphic and Greek texts at his first attempt.
Now that the Rosetta Stone could be read completely, along with thousands of other Egyptian inscriptions, what is the story it has to tell? It contains a decree made by the priests of Egypt in the ninth year of Ptolemy V Epiphanes, which corresponds to 196 B.C.E. Because of the king's beneficial acts during his reign, the honors paid to him as "Savior of Egypt" would be increased. His statue would be set up in every temple in Egypt, and gold figures used in processions. His birthday and coronation-day anniversaries would be festivals "forever," and all priests would take on a new title, "Priests of the beneficent god Ptolemy Epiphanes, who appears on earth." Lastly, the decree was to be cut on basalt slabs and erected alongside his statue in the temples, and incised in the "writing of the speech of the god"-the hieroglyphic language.
Nearly two thousand years later, as the Rosetta Stone was unearthed from near oblivion, the temples of Egypt stood in ruins. The glory of Egypt was a legend, her kings and Pharaohs long since dead. The gods and statues had tumbled from their niches, powerless to assist their priests in the celebration of Ptolemy's festivals "forever." Even the language of the god was lost and forgotten, and the search for the clues to open again the secrets of the past was to prove a challenge calling for the ingenuity of more than one generation of scholars.
A Stone That Solved a Mystery
In the British Museum in London, you will often find people in the Egyptian Gallery, staring at a black basalt slab. Why does it intrigue so many? For centuries, experts were baffled by the complex picture writing (hieroglyphics) they had found in Egyptian tombs and on monuments. That slab became the key to understanding those writings and inscriptions. It came to be known as the Rosetta Stone (from Rashid in Egypt, translated Rosetta).
The stone has the same text in three different scripts. One of them is Greek and could be translated. Another is ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, and the third, a cursive form of the same. It took Frenchman Jean François Champollion 23 years to decipher the inscriptions. And what does the stone say?
Dated to the ninth year of Ptolemy V (about 196 B.C.E.), it is yet another inscription glorifying a ruler. Among other things, it proclaims the piety of Ptolemy V toward the gods, praises him for restoring "the temples of the Apis and Mnevis Bulls, and of the other sacred animals," and describes him as "Ptolemy, the ever-living god."-The Rosetta Stone, Trustees of the British Museum.
The decipherment of the ancient hieroglyphs, "writing of the speech of the god," helped to expose more fully the animal worship that was rampant in Egypt. As the British Museum catalogue states: "Almost all sculpture was produced for religious purposes, to promote the worship of deities, to glorify the power of specific kings," as well as for funerary reasons. And most of the sculptures and monuments include hieroglyphs, which, thanks to the Rosetta Stone, can now be understood.

Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
INTRODUCTION

The pick that struck the Rosetta Stone in the loamy soil of the Nile delta in 1796 also struck a mighty blow at historical Christianity. For it released the voice of a long-voiceless past to refute nearly every one of Christianity’s historical claims with a withering negative. The cryptic literature of old Egypt, sealed in silence when Christianity took its rise, but haunting it like a taunting specter after the third century, now stalks forth like a living ghost out of the tomb to point its long finger of accusation at a faith that has too long thriven on falsity. For that literature now rises out of oblivion to proclaim the true source of every doctrine of Christianity as Egyptian, the product and heritage of a remote past. The translation of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Pyramid Texts, and the Book of Thoth lays on the table the irrefutable data which show that, far from being the first gleam of true light in a world previously benighted in heathenism, Christianity was but a poor and crippled orphan, appearing--after the third century--without evidence of its true parentage and sadly belying in its outward form the semblance of its real ancestral lineage. The books of old Egypt now unroll the sagas of wisdom which announce the inexorable truth that not a single doctrine, rite, tenet or usage in Christianity was a new contribution to world religion, but that every article and practice of that faith was a disfigured copy of ancient Egyptian systematism. Christianity, it proclaims, not only did not register a single advance in any line of wisdom or truth, but deplorably vitiated and disfigured the beautiful structure of religion which it ignorantly adopted and so wretchedly purveyed as its own alleged new creation. The shadow that pursued the faith with the semblance of outward similarity for sixteen centuries, now resolves into the substance of veridical proof of original identity. The entire body of Christian doctrinism is now seen to be nothing but revamped and terribly mutilated Egyptianism. Through the chance stroke of a trench-digger’s pick Christianity is brought to book to face its Nemesis. The heathen parentage that it strove so desperately to deny and the marks of which it so sedulously endeavored to obliterate in the early centuries now

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Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
adored a Christ who had raised the dead and healed the lame, halt, blind, paralytic, leprous and all afflicted, who had restored speech to the dumb, exorcized demons from the possessed, dispersed his enemies with a word or look, wrestled with his Satan adversary, overcome all temptation and performed the works of his heavenly Father to the victorious end. Egypt had long known a Jesus, Iusa, who had been born amid celestial portents of an immaculate parenthood, circumcised, baptized, tempted, glorified on the mount, persecuted, arrested, tried, condemned, crucified, buried, resurrected and elevated to heaven. Egypt had listened to the Sermon on the Mount and the Sayings of Iusa for ages. Egypt had known a Jesus who long antedated the Gospel Messiah and who presents to the student some one hundred and eighty items of identity, similarity and correspondence in word, deed and function with his later copy.

But Egypt’s Christ was not a living person. It would have been equally fatal to Christianity if he had been. But the fact of his non-historicity rises now out of the past that Christianity thought it had sealed in oblivion forever, to strike the death-knell of a false and spurious religion. The Gospels’ "life" of Jesus turns out to be nothing but the garbled and fragmentary copy of an Egyptian prototype who never lived, but was a purely typal dramatic figure, portraying the divinity in man. With this one revelation of lost truth the structure of historical Christianity topples to the ground. It must be replaced by a purely spiritual Christianity. In the splendid light of ancient Egypt Occidental religion can now find its way from Medieval darkness to sunlit truth. The Dark Ages can be brought to their dismal end at last.

The ineptitude of scholarly acumen in the face of the mountainous evidence supplied by the study of comparative religion, especially since the recovery of Chaldean and Egyptian antiquities, surpasses all belief and flouts all conscience. It has been exhibited on so colossal a scale, with consequences of the direst nature, that the question whether ignorance or deliberate chicanery engineered the total suppression of truth that has glared its overwhelming obviousness in the face of studentship, inevitably rises to the foreground of thought. It must be assumed that both ignorance and disingenuousness combined to produce the catastrophic result. A thousand big and little items of comparative religion, many of them sufficient in their single weight to

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clinch decisive determinations fatal to Christian claims, conspire to erect a positively impregnable fortress of proof of Christian errancy. This mass of data has been blithely ignored, brazenly flouted, or damned with slighting notice, by the ecclesiastical regime which would lose its easy hold on the masses by honest recognition of the truth.
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The lesson of European Renaissance history has not been assimilated in its full import. Christian Europe, groping in early Medieval darkness for centuries following the violent extinction of Platonic Academies and schools of esoteric philosophy and religion, regained a portion of the lost light in the fourteenth century when re-established contact with Greek literature brought to light the long-buried works of classic Hellenic wisdom. This recouping of cultural status went far to illuminate the night of Christian gloom. But it can be seen now that it did not go far or deep enough to effect a complete restoration of the full glory of ancient intellectual brilliance. Greece had much to offer to a Europe blinded by theological obscurantism. But its gift was a secondary and derived product, not the original and genuine treasure. That had been lost in the silence of Egypt’s desert expanses. Now, in the fullness of time, the Occident is destined to enjoy its final Renaissance to the full heritage of ancient culture. Once again Christian Europe will experience a "Revival of Learning," as the lingering smudge of Medieval obfuscation is wafted away by the pure breath of a recovered Eastern civilization. This time it is Egypt, whose hidden wisdom is released by the finding of the Rosetta Stone, that will enlighten the last areas of Medieval nescience.

The primary truth of human culture which is presented by all sage religions of antiquity is the fact that there resides deeply embedded in the core of man’s constitution a nucleus of what, for want of a better designation, must be called a divine spark or sun. The glow of Christliness--a thing at once both chemically radio-active and intellectual--in us is indeed the hope of our glory. Modern science, through the work of Dr. George W. Crile, late head of the Cleveland Medical laboratories, has rediscovered what the ancient sages were familiar with--the radiant SUN in man. "Every man," proclaimed the ancients and the Medieval "Fire Philosophers," "has a little SUN within his own breast." This sun is the Christ in man, a nucleus of fiery divine spirit-energy. All the Christs in antiquity were denominated "Sun-

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Gods." The names of nearly all of them are the immediate words for the sun, or epithets appropriate to the solar orb. "All things are the products of one primordial Fire," assert the Chaldean Oracles. Life nucleates glowing centers of this fire throughout the universe in the radiant cells of its physical body, which are the suns. Every creature that his life shares a portion of this pervasive fire, which is the rock of its hope for evolution to its greater glory. St. Paul avers that Christ--in man--is the Rock. And so ancient drama represented the Christ figure himself as saying to Peter, whose name means "Rock" in Greek, "Thou art Peter and on this Rock will I build my church." There is no other enduring Rock in man’s life on which the assembly of deified mortals--the church--could be founded. And obviously the community of Christified beings could not be established on any spiritual Rock external to man’s own immanent subjectivity.
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:14PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The rock of human culture thus being established as a fiery power within man’s own breast, Christianity becomes chargeable with the most opprobrious of all possible accusations. It can be indicted for the crime of being the only religion that in large measure destroyed the force of man’s inspiration and incentive to cultivate this divine solar light within his own bosom. It did this by diverting the direction of its followers’ effort from the inner self-culture of a purely subjective consciousness to the worship of the Christ as embodied in one man in history. Granted that there is a powerful and effective psychology in the adoration of an ideal model of perfection, the main issue here involved can never be dodged. No matter how emotionally, how fanatically the worshipper pours out adoration to a person in objective life, the work of his own evolution is not accomplished until he effectuates the ultimate divinization of the nuclear potentiality of deific fire within his own self-controlled area of consciousness.

The balanced forces of human uplift would be thrown into immediate chaos if it were in the end possible for a man to achieve his apotheosization vicariously, or in any other way than through his own effort. By virtue of the fact that man was provided from the start with the presence of a unit of divine fire within the heart of his conscious being, he was adequately equipped to fight his own way to the goal of glory. The only treason of which religious devotion could become capable was the setting up of a fetish outside the life of consciousness, which would divert a single iota of resolute will from the

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culture of the resident deity. Christianity is the only religion in the civilized world that has perpetuated this treason. The point is inexorably established by logical thought as well as demonstrated by the historical sequel. The matter is beyond debate. By so much as the exaltation of a personal Jesus has beguiled human devotion away from the inner direction in the individual’s task of perfecting his own innate divinity, by precisely that much has the outer presentation weakened the strength of mortal struggle to the light. It is psychological, but it is mathematically measurable. The amount measured is the item that ends all argument. If the worship of a Judean carpenter has taken any time and absorbed any psychic effort that could have been expended in the culture of divine graciousness within the heart of humanity, it has by so much held back the evolution of the race.

Christianity has taught its adherents, so to say, to play around the fringes of the cultural problem instead of bearing with all their psychic force directly upon its heart. It has hypnotized their devotional mentality under the spell of a promise of vicariousness which is itself subtly conducive to the weakening of the native nobility of man’s true selfhood. It has made of its millions--what Nietzsche so thoroughly detested--groveling beggars, reveling in the turpitude of sin-confession and praying for God to have mercy on their unworthiness. It has made them wretches pleading piteously to be saved. How it has ever been assumed that a God of good sense would enjoy seeing his creatures, whom he has himself divinely endowed with a portion of his own Mind, writhing in worm-of-the-dust sycophancy at his feet, is beyond rational understanding. It is naturally to be presumed that he would take far greater delight in seeing them standing up in the might of their incipient divinity and making a fight of it. The morbid cast of mentation generated in millions of Christians over sixteen centuries by the doctrinal falsification of the esoteric meaning of "sin" is perhaps the most lamentable spectacle presented to the world in all time. That a religion could so far lose touch with sober sanity as to expect that it could exalt and edify man’s spirit by grinding it down into the dust is evidence at once of its complete divagation from basic sound truth.

It is a grave question whether the ecclesiastical system and movement known as Christianity has any right to its name. So far from being the cult that brought in a true Christ-worship for the first time

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in "heathen" darkness, it was indeed--after the third century--the one system that destroyed such a true worship. Ancient cults bent all effort upon the cultivation of the god within man. This is the nucleus of the only true Christianity. In its genuine sense there has been no Christianity in the Occident since that fatal third century. Historical Christianity has substituted a personal fetish for the real Christos, the inner Fire of Love. No matter how appealing the figure substituted, it never can do the work of actual soul culture. And history has sealed this verdict. It is almost certainly true that in no quarter of human life has history so obviously and glaringly demonstrated the want of mankind’s reliance upon the god instinct in the heart of the nations as has been evidenced by the horrifying spectacle of inhumanity and animal savagery put on display by the so-called Christianized nations. Christianity has never led the fight for culture. On the contrary, it has hung like a drag-wheel on the car of real cultural and scientific advance for many centuries. It has struck at every pioneer in the progress of true culture. Its highest practical aim has rather been to maintain an average level of decency in traditional forms of social life. Much incidental good of course has emerged from an effort to which millions of good people, in more or less ignorance of historic truth, have consecrated their life’s devotion. But never has it been the single aim and objective of the Christian ecclesiastical system to ground the aspirational life of its devotees upon the one-pointed quickening of the Christ within all hearts.
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:15PM
DAVID JOHNSON
A fairly considerable number of books have been written to defend the thesis of the non-historicity of Jesus, George Brandes’ Jesus a Myth being a typical example. All of them have advanced data of weight and validity. But none of them has presented the real argument in the case. This springs from the material now available from ancient Egypt’s fount of sage sapiency. From a hoary civilization comes the literature that ends all debate by offering the incontrovertible evidence that the Gospels are not and never were histories. They are now proven to have been cryptic dramas of the spiritual evolution of humanity and of the history of the human soul in its earthly tabernacle of flesh. The thesis, universally held by Christian theologians, that these Gospel books were "written" after Jesus lived and from the eye-witness record of his objective "life," must yield place to the knowledge that they first appeared in the second century, having long been held in the secret

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background of esoteric religionism. The allegation that the publication of the Gospels can not be explained or accounted for unless a great Teacher had lived whose life inspired their writing, must give way before the understanding that their appearance was due to the breakdown of esotericism, or the violent popular incursion into the secrecy of esoteric polity, and the dragging forth of the arcane books and the dramas of the occult spiritual life from the Mystery holy of holies.

A noted present-day clergyman in New York City, the eminent Dr. John Haynes Holmes, has declared in a printed sermon--Christianity’s Debt to Judaism; Why Not Acknowledge It?--that Christianity drew its Founder from the Jewish people, along with five-sixths of its Bible, the Hebrew Old Testament, as well as everything that the character Jesus has spoken in the New Testament. Practically every word uttered by the Christ figure in the Gospels is to be found in the Mishna, the Gemara, the Talmud and the Hagadoth of the Jews, he asserted. But what now must be the astonishment of the eminent minister to be confronted with the mountainous evidence that all the material of both Christian and Hebrew systems has emanated from ancient Egypt’s crypts of secret wisdom! Truly the Rosetta Stone is to be the Nemesis of a falsity that has shrouded religion in gloom and obscurity and shot it through with insincerity and dishonesty for some twenty-four centuries.

It is a sign of the aberration in religious thinking now prevailing that the presentation of the case for the non-historic Christ will run afoul of many persons of general probity who, even when measurably convinced that the Jesus story is a fable, as Pope Leo X so glibly asserted, will still adhere to the persuasion that it is better to suppress the bald and revolutionary truth and prolong the "beautiful illusion" of the Christ’s personal existence. The original perpetration and now the perpetuation of blank falsehood concerning the fact of Jesus’ existence is argued to be morally justifiable, even highly good, on the ground that it has wrought a prodigious psychological and moral beneficence. But this is, at bottom, to argue that Christianity can be better promoted by a lie than by the truth. We are adjured by the holy scriptures of that same faith that our only freedom comes from knowing the truth. While the world is hoping and planning to establish the better course of its life upon four fundamental freedoms, it might

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be well to remind ourselves that in a democracy there is a fifth freedom upon which the salutary influences of the four and all other freedoms are dependent and contingent, and that is the freedom of all to be put in possession of the truth, to the farthest limit of its availability. In minor situations it often appears both judicious and beneficent to withhold the truth. But the justification is always secondary to larger objectives and temporary. Every situation must ultimately be resolved by a facing of the truth. Final issues ever demand that life be met on its own terms. The extensive concealment of historical truth at once argues something unlovely and sinister. A great world faith, soliciting the loyalty of millions, could offer no surer evidence of its integrity than an unbroken record of instant eagerness to examine and accept every sincere presentment of the truth. This work is given forth with no other motive than to present the available evidence beating upon an issue of transcendent importance. In the hurly-burly of human affairs truth is not always welcome or pleasant. That is understandable. But far more vital is the understanding that it must be faced. Our attitude toward truth-seeking is one of the supreme tests of our worthiness to take on the responsibilities and enjoy the liberties of a democracy.

Lest it be assumed that the author’s implied charges of dishonesty in Christian leadership spring from a personal animosity against Christianity, he takes the liberty to insert here a few sentences taken from a brief article in The New York Times of present date (Nov. 29, 1943) reported from a sermon of the Rev. Bernard Iddings Bell, eminent Episcopalian clergyman, preached in St. Paul’s Chapel of Columbia University on Nov. 28. By inference Dr. Bell charges the Church with dishonesty, and nobody believes that he does it from "spleen." He said that present-day civilization "needs above all things a restored humility and a renewed honesty in two high places--the universities and the churches." "From kindergarten to the Ph.D. degree," he added, "our educators help their students to run away from ultimate decisions. . . . The universities have become resorts for the pursuit of instrumental tricks rather than of fundamental and immutable truth. And then our educators, having abdicated from their ancient and honorable post as keepers of the sanctities of truth, cry out in their pride their all-sufficient greatness.

"The churches, too . . . make of themselves pious clubs, daring not

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to rebuke the brazen multitudes for fear of loss of membership and money; and having sunk to the low estate of men pleasers, insist they hold the future of mankind in their proud hands."

The sun of man can not be too long beclouded with the fogs of hypocrisy and bigotry. Its mighty power will dispel them in due season. A new day of its shining arises with the accidental stroke of a soldier’s pick on a slab of stone.

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Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 4:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The logical point of departure for the investigation is the study of ancient methodology in the writing of sacred literature. It has been quite largely due to modern ignorance of a special methodology employed in such writing, one bearing no relation or kinship to any known technique in our period, that misinterpretation of arcane books has come about. In spite of voluminous authentic testimony to the fact of such an extraordinary literary method, scholars down to the present day have failed to take note of the evidence for it, and have with unmitigated obduracy flouted the claims for the fact and its overwhelming implications for our understanding the whole of ancient lore. The consequences have been disastrous over the whole range of religious interest. It is therefore necessary to begin with a scrutiny of the peculiar style of representation which was indigenous to the ancient mind and its approach to the grasp and expression of religious truth.

If it can be shown that the ancient sages wrote their great books of wisdom in a form that was purely typological or representative, and in no sense objectively historical, a presumptive argument of nearly clinching force will be established in favor of the non-existence of Jesus, as far as the New Testament is concerned. If practically the only documents in which his "life" is recorded are proven to be non-historical literature, the presupposition is well grounded from the start that he was not a living man but a typical personification of the god in man. The entrenched interests of ecclesiastical orthodoxy have persistently withstood the claims and the evidence for the correctness of this thesis, but it can be said in the face of such resistance that the case for it is established beyond the point of speculation or further controversy. If this is still controverted, it is designed to present in the work at hand a volume of data that will render the case virtually impregnable at last.


Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 5:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Alright, give me a minute or three.
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 6:40PM
Nebrod Chous
Why Was the Rosetta Stone So Important?
The ancient Egyptians used a form of picture-writing known as hieroglyphics. Writing from Egyptian times has survived, but until a few centuries ago no one knew what it meant, because no one was able to translate these symbols.

Then in 1799, French soldiers found a slab of stone near the Egyptian town of Rosetta. The stone contained three kinds of writing: Greek, hieroglyphics, and another later form of Egyptian writing known as demotic.

Language experts realized that the three kinds of writing on the stone bore the same message. So they compared the Greek writing with the Egyptian writing, and, piece by piece, they learned how to translate the ancient symbols.

Because of the Rosetta stone, experts were able to translate all the Egyptian writing that had been unreadable for centuries!
Wednesday, February 13th 2013 at 7:42PM
DAVID JOHNSON
it was forbidden for the enslaved Africans to
read, if “massa” sent a preacher to tell them that God
was white and they were a cursed people who had no
soul, or if he told them that they were blessed to
have been enslaved because if it wasn’t for slavery,
they would still be “heathens” who never would have
gotten to know “tha lawd”—they believed it. Most
damaging was the teaching that to rebel against
slavery was to rebel against God.

What is most tragic is that this mentality is still in
the hearts and minds of Black people today. Instead of
seeing the Bible as a book to be read and understood,
many see it as a magical good luck charm and if we
place it under our pillows at night, we would learn
“the word” by osmosis.

Because many of us use the King James version of the
Bible, written in Old English, many feel that if
“Jesus” talked like that surely he must have looked
like one of those Shakespearean actors from TV.
Hollywood has also pushed this lie that the people of
the Bible were European, by allowing white actors to
play Moses and Jesus but making Black actors play
muggers and junkies.

As we look at the condition of Afrikan people today,
we can attribute the drugs, the Black on Black
violence and poverty to our being brainwashed by
European “nationalism” under the guise of religion.
How else can you account for our perpetual misery? How
else can you account for the state of mind of our
young Black boys who think that they are thugs and
gangbangers. Or our Black girls who think that they
are “Ho’s”, unworthy of respect. No one has told them
that they are the people of God. No one has told them
that the “Jesus” that they hear about in church was
the same color as the one that they see staring back
at them in the mirror.

Can we really expect to reach out for the Hip Hop
generation with one hand while clutching a figurine of
a lily white “Jesus” with the other?

How else can you explain our inability to respond
effectively to the problems that have faced our people
for the last 400 years. Why do we accept racism,
economic exploitation and racial profiling? With all
our fancy jobs and college degrees, we still cannot
find a way to stop crack from coming into our
communities or AIDS from spreading at an alarming
rate.

The reason that we tolerate such injustice is that we
are looking for a white man to come down from heaven
and save us and if we can’t have “Jesus” right now,
any white man will do.

What we need is Afrikan Liberation Theology; a
theology that reveals the TRUTH that will make us
free. Afrikan Liberation Theology gives us a
theological foundation to fight the battle for the
upliftment of Afrikan people. This theology teaches
that the fight for Justice is not against God, as the
white man has taught us, but is your religious duty if
you are truly a follower of Yeshua, the Black
Revolutionary Messiah.

Afrikan Liberation Theology recaptures the scriptures
from the white supremacist system and brings it back
home to the African people upon which they were based.
Most importantly Afrikan Liberation Theology
challenges us to finally confront the question, “Can a
white Jesus save Black people?” Our current condition
answers that question loudly and clearly.
Friday, February 15th 2013 at 1:47AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Imaginary Freedom (Part2 of 3): Na'im Akbar Speaks on the Illusion of Freedom
http://youtu.be/eu4zynuREdM
Friday, February 15th 2013 at 1:51AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Gee wiz... did I do all of that? Lol!!!!!
Friday, February 15th 2013 at 9:25PM
Christine Govenor
HI ,lady ,,yes you left a powerful impact on this site that has been carrying on for 3 years now and running
Friday, February 15th 2013 at 9:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ORIGIN OF THE BIBLE... BACKED BY SCHOLARSHIP AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA"

http://youtu.be/GWKuF-_dbPk
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 12:07AM
DAVID JOHNSON
robert powell's comments have been deleted
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 1:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
'disputation'
no indication or reflection of correct information.'
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:01PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://youtu.be/DA450Yesuqw
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON
David asked me to come back, I'm here; heard the Jew guy had some more fantasies he wanted to share (an intrinsically Jewish trait). So Flaky Jakey...what gives?
Friday, February 15th 2013 at 9:34PM
Christine Govenor
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
1. "I’ll nail down a few facts about the Bible, okay. Firstly, the Bible is about the modern day Jewish people." Harry Watley



Harry that is a factually incorrect statement. So-called 'modern day Jewish people' are not the subject matter of the Biblical text. Modern day Jewry came to Biblical affiliation in relatively recent times after the crusades of Europe and the decline of Moorish Spain, so we're talking between the 10th and 12th centuries CE.






2. "The Jewish people wrote the Bible." Harry Watley


"... scholars have found out that the biblical documents were mostly Ancient Egyptian documents and stories. Yet Christians have believed for over two thousand years that God-inspired Jewish prophets wrote the biblical documents when they were actually written by Ancient Egyptian priests and edited and rewritten by Jewish Scholars"

Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D.
"The Africans Who Wrote the Bible' (Introduction pg. xx)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Africans-Who-Wro...
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 10:23PM
Christine Govenor
3. "The Bible is the testimony of the Jewish to the world how God helped them in their times of trouble with other people and how God personally helped them." Harry Watley



"The publication of papyrus in the British museum revealed the author, Amenenope (the Ancient Egyptian scribe)! ALL OLD TESTAMENT SCHOLARS OF ANY WEIGHT OR STANDING NOW RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE SECTION OF ABOUT A CHAPTER AND A HALF OF THE BOOK OF PROVERBS 'IS LARGELY DRAWN VERBATIM FROM THE WISDOM OF AMENENOPE (the Ancient Egyptian scribe); THAT IS THE HEBREW VERSION IS PRACTICALLY A L.I.T.E.R.A.L. T.R.A.N.S.L.A.T.I.O.N. FROM THE E.G.Y.P.T.I.A.N.. It is also likewise O.B.V.I.O.U.S. that IN N.U.M.E.R.O.U.S. O.T.H.E.R. P.L.A.C.E.S. in the O.l.d. T.e.s.t.a.m.e.n.t. not o.n.l.y. in the Book of Proverbs, but A.L.S.O. in the HEBREW LAW, in JOB, as we already noticed in SAMUEL and JEREMIAH, AMENENOPE'S WISDOM IS THE S.O.U.R.C.E. of i.d.e.a.s., f.i.g.u.r.e.s., moral standards, and especially certain warm and humane spirit of kindness"


Professor James H. Breasted
Egyptologist & Profess.
THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE
OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO



plagiarize |ˈplājəˌrīz|
verb [ trans. ]
take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own.
• copy from (someone) in such a way.

New Oxford American Dictionary

This then is ....p.l.a.g.i.a.r.i.s.m.



*Now Pay Close A.t.t.e.n.t.i.o.n. Harry (and the rest of the Bible thumpers allergic to r.e.a.d.i.n.g.)


"H.E.B.R.E.W. literature is P.E.R.M.E.A.T.E.D. with CONCEPTS and FIGURES D.E.R.I.V.E.D. from the didactic treatises of E.G.Y.P.T."

Williams 1971, 276-277.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_...


I know you probably don't understand what that means, but take little bites and I'm sure you'll digest it just fine.
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 10:33PM
Christine Govenor
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The fact that people are what I call 'stupid by choice' is made quite clear in the fact that with all of the verifiable historical references I left on David's post 3 years ago, we still encounter people who participated in that dialogue who have made it quite clear that their collective IQ is far too low for new and accurate information to even permeate the barriers of ignorance inherent in their 'a-historical' worldviews; I can only sum that up to being... 'stupid by choice'. Hey' it's your choice, no one has the right to disarm you of that choice. You say something on this post without documenting it... consider it automatically d.e.l.e.t.e.d.. I've no interest in your ''opinions' as I have offered none of my own. I am here merely to expose others to what the historical record says by referencing the documented evidence and authoritative scholarly consensus. Period. Play at your own risk.
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 10:40PM
Christine Govenor
Harry as this is my post you will address me, or you will address no one. This is not a democratic process. I am removing David's posts as I am not here to 'compete with his posts for attention'.
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 10:43PM
Christine Govenor
Robert Powell I've equally deleted your posts. I don't suffer nonsensical jibberish on my posts. People have to read through all of that to get to the good stuff and it's unfair to them. There are numerous posts on this site I'm sure that such nonsensical jibberish would be welcomed, this however is not one of them. If you're going to post here then please make your posts intelligible to people other than yourself.
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 10:52PM
Christine Govenor
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN ORIGIN OF THE BIBLE... BACKED BY SCHOLARSHIP AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA"

http://youtu.be/GWKuF-_dbPk
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
as far as the story of David and Goliath being plagiarized from the Book of the Dead is concerned; it doesn't have to be to prove any point thus far made. What has been maintained in fact is that the Greeks wrote the first Bible (not the Hebrews as is falsely and incorrectly taught), and if the Greeks wrote the very first Bible then not only did they plagiarize ancient Egyptian texts in doing so but they also plagiarized Greek texts in the process such as a presumed 'Homer's Illiad & the Odessy'. So all we have to do is find out from which culture they plagiarized the story of David and Goliath:



'David and Goliath plagiarized from Homer’s Iliad'
http://www.holyblasphemy.net/was-david-and...
Saturday, February 16th 2013 at 11:25PM
Christine Govenor
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Here's the whole article just for your own enjoyment Harold... say good bye to your Passover Fairy Tale: whose next?



"Here's a question for you: what do actor Charlton Heston, DreamWorks animation studios and Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin all have in common? Well, they've all, at one time or another, perpetuated the myth that the Jews built the pyramids. And it is a myth, make no mistake. Even if we take the earliest possible date for Jewish slavery that the Bible suggests, the Jews were enslaved in Egypt a good three hundred years after the 1750 B.C. completion date of the pyramids. That is, of course, if they were ever slaves in Egypt at all.

We are so quick to point out the obvious lies about Jews and Israel that come out in Egypt – the Sinai Governors claims that the Mossad released a shark into the Red Sea to kill Egyptians, or, as I once read in a newspaper whilst on holiday in Cairo, the tale of the magnetic belt buckles that Jews were selling cheap in Egypt that would sterilize men on contact – yet we so rarely examine our own misconceptions about the nature of our history with the Egyptian nation.

We tend, in the midst of our disdain for Egyptian, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, to overlook the fact that one of the biggest events of the Jewish calendar is predicated upon reminding the next generation every year of how the Egyptians were our cruel slave-masters, in a bondage that likely never happened. Is this really so different from Jaws the Mossad agent?

The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.

It is hard to believe that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it. It is remarkable that Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time. No rapid departure from traditional pottery has been seen, no record or story of a surge in population.

In fact, there's absolutely no more evidence to suggest that the story is true than there is in support of any of the Arab world's conspiracy theories and tall tales about Jews.

So, as we come to Passover 2012 when, thanks to the “Arab Spring,” our relations with Egypt are at a nearly 40 year low, let us enjoy our Seder and read the story by all means, but also remind those at the table who may forget that it is just a metaphor, and that there is no ancient animosity between Israelites and Egyptians. Because, if we want to re-establish that elusive peace with Egypt that so many worked so hard to build, we're all going to have to let go of our prejudices."

Josh Mintz is completing his degree in International Relations and Middle Eastern studies and is the communications director at Friend a Soldier, an NGO that encourages dialogue with IDF soldiers.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-je...

*By the way Harold... the author of the article Josh Mintz is an ISRAELI JEW who has more than just a HS diploma and two years at a local community college (just sayin'). Nothing wrong with community colleges though, great places to start out. Just putting things in context for ya.
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 12:34AM
Christine Govenor
"The Invention of the Jewish People (Hebrew: מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי?‎, Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?, literally When and How Was the Jewish People I.n.v.e.n.t.e.d.?.) is a study of the historiography of the Jewish people by Shlomo Sand, P.r.o.f.e.s.s.o.r. of H.i.s.t.o.r.y. at Tel Aviv University."




"a 'nation-race' of Jews with a common origin n.e.v.e.r. e.x.i.s.t.e.d."
Dr. Shlomo Sand, University of Tel Aviv






The Invention of the Jewish People (*The Text)
http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-Peo...

Shlomo Sand studied history at the University of Tel Aviv and at the École des hautes études en sciences sociales, in Paris. He currently teaches contemporary history at the University of Tel Aviv. His books include The Invention of the Jewish People, L'Illusion du politique: Georges Sorel et le débat intellectuel 1900, Georges Sorel en son temps, Le XXe siècle à l'écran and Les Mots et la terre: les intellectuels en Israël.





*There you go Harold, another J.E.W.I.S.H. PERSON... A FREAK'N PROFESSOR AT A JEWISH UNIVERSITY IN A JEWISH COUNTRY (*I mean you can't get anymore J.e.w.i.s.h. than that for Christ's sake, if you'll pardon the pun) TELLING THAT NOT ONLY IS THE STORY MADE UP... BUT THAT THE VERY IDENTITY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE IS A M.A.N.U.F.A.C.T.U.R.E.D. ONE IE. 'FALSE'/ 'PROPAGANDA'.



And yet watch, still, miseducated Negroes will persist in their own miseducation to no end, even when the facts come from the sources very own highly credentialed mouth.
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 12:47AM
Christine Govenor
Here you have the Jewish newspaper the Hareetz AGAIN... articulating the Jewish professors observations:


"...the "m.y.t.h." of a Jewish people as a group with a common, ethnic origin has been summarized as follows: "[a]t a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace."

Ilani, Ofri (March 21, 2008). "Shattering a 'national mythology'". Haaretz. Retrieved November 18, 2009.


Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 12:55AM
Christine Govenor
As I said Harold... your mind, devoid of any real education whatsoever to speak of, doesn't have the slightest clue of which you're attempting to proclaim as 'historical fact' or 'truth', religious or otherwise. Enjoy the show Yaiqab. I'm keeping it light until you get here... so I can finish you for good this time :-) This doesn't even come close to the good stuff I have in store for you, however it's little to no fun dismantling something that was never established to begin with, except for on a plagiarized, poorly built, paper thin house of cards sitting on the edge of historical thin air. Black people are the Truth and Ancient Egypt is that evidence...with no apology needed or one forthcoming.
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 1:04AM
Christine Govenor
Yaiqab... choose your adversaries carefully, as in this case, you might find one... unassailable. Don't you know what Black Widow Spiders do to Jewish males like yourself? We Africans studied nature (God) and we learned from it, that's why we have spider stories like Anansi the Spider. Well, let me show you what the Black Widow Spider does to little C-thru Hebroos:

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/...
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 1:21AM
Christine Govenor
PLUS FACTS AND AGAIN ACTUAL DISCOVERYS IN EGYPT HAS PROVEN THE PYRMIDS WERE NOT BUILDED BY 'SLAVES' ANY WAY...I WILL ALLOW IT WAS ONLY DISCOVERED A FEW YEARS AGO...

BUTWE ARE STILL IN DENIAL OF THE EARTH IS NOT VERY OLD...AND CREATED BY ______ NOT TIME AND CHANGES MADE LIKE THAT STONE HITTING OUR PLANET TODAY.(SMILE)

ACTUALL I CAME BACK TO REPORT ABOUT JAKE'S BLOG POSTED AND IT JUST SCREAMS HE CAN NOT JUST CONTINUE TO STAND BACK AND NOT SAY ANY THING REMOTLY ON THIS POST (SMILE)
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 1:40AM
Irma Robinson
Irma... Satan Jacob (as we used to call him back in the seminary... LOL!!) aint com'n to this party until thinks he can make a grand entrance. I look forward to it. When my wannabe adversaries answer; the bigger and more audacious their response, the more chopping wood it gives me for the fire... and I'm looking forward to making an inferno (smile).
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 2:49AM
Christine Govenor
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Hi Christine, great to have you back!

My studies (continued as a result of our discourse on David's blog) have led me to the conclusion that the Septuagint predates the Hebrew text and that the 9th-10th century Hebrew text is a translation of the Greek and not the other way around.. The extant Greek is centuries earlier than the oldest Hebrew text. There is also the fact that most of the quotes in the NT don't match the Hebrew OT, they match the Septuagint. For example:

Romans 15:12
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
12 and again Isaiah says,

“The root of Jesse shall come,
the one who rises to rule the Gentiles;
in him the Gentiles shall hope.”

Isaiah 11:10
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Return of the Remnant of Israel and Judah

10 On that day the root of Jesse shall stand as a signal to the peoples; the nations shall inquire of him, and his dwelling shall be glorious.

But the NETS (New English Translation of the Septuagint) has:

10 And there shall be on that day the root of Iessai, even the one who stands up to rule nations; nations shall hope in him, and his rest shall be honor.

The Septuagint was not a translation. It was a compilation drawn from the many sources at the Library of Alexandria. We don't know what all those sources are of course, because they were destroyed.

Book Description
Publication Date: May 15, 2006 | Series: Library Hebrew Bible/Old Testament Studies (Book 433)

Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus proposes a provocative new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. Gmirkin argues that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273-272 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen. 1-11 on Berossus' Babyloniaca (278 BCE) and of the Exodus story on Manetho's Aegyptiaca (c. 285-280 BCE), and the geo-political data contained in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, drawing on literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Septuagint translation, provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria's Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a late, 3rd century BCE date for major portions of the Hebrew Bible which show literary dependence on the Pentateuch.

http://www.amazon.com/Berossus-Genesis-Man...

Now that still leaves the question, what were the sources Berossus and Manetho used, and in general the Greek dependence on Egyptian sources. I know you've talked about that before, but maybe you could refresh my memory.

Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 6:53PM
Steve Williams
Google of course has sample pages from the above referenced book. Harry of course will not bother to read any of it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=noKI6Asqn...

Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 7:53PM
Steve Williams
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Nun


According to the theology of the Ogdoad the universe was formed from the interaction of eight elements (instigated by one of a number of possible gods including Thoth, Amun, Horus and Ra); water, nothingness or invisibility, darkness and infinity. Water was represented by Nun and Naunet (the female form). Although the Egyptians had many different creation myths, they all agreed that the universe came from the primordeal waters of Nun, and many legends suggested that everything would slip back under these waters at the end of the world. There were no priests or temples devoted specifically to Nun, but he was represented by the sacred lake of each temple and was frequently referred to in religious inscriptions. Nun existed in every particle of water and formed the source of the river Nile and the yearly innundation. The god was also associated with the laying of foundations for all temples, possibly because the Egyptians used simple and effective technique which took advantage of the fact that water will always form a horizontal level in order to ensure that the foundation layers of structures were flat.

Nun is often associated with the forces of chaos. When Ra decided that the people were not giving him the respect he was due, it was Nun who suggested that Re should send out his 'eye' to destroy mankind and end the world. However, unlike the water serpent Apep (who was the enemy of Ra and a purely destructive force) Nun had a positive aspect. Nun protected Shu and Tefnut from the forces of chaos, as represented by demonic snakes. According to one myth it was Nun who told Nut to transform herself into a solar cow and carry Ra across the sky because he had become old and weary.

Nun was represented as a frog or a frog-headed man (as a member of the Ogdoad) but could also be depicted as a bearded man with blue or green skin (reflecting his link with the river Nile and fertility). In thie latter form he can look fairly similar to Hapi, the god of the Nile, and often appears either standing on a solar boat or rising from the waters holding a palm frond (a symbol of long life) Occassionaly he appears as a hemaphrodite with pronounced breasts.

In Memphis, Nun was associated with the creator god, Ptah in the form of the composite deity Ptah-Nun. Both gods were described as the father of the sun god (Ra or Atum), However, rival priests claimed that Thebes was the place where the primeval mound first rose above the waters of Nun. As Amun was both the creator god of Thebes and a member of the Ogdoad they suggested that Nun had been a powerful, but inert force until Amun turned himself into the primeval mound and thereafter created the other gods.

copyright J Hill 2010

http://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/nun.html

Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 9:05PM
Steve Williams
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ra was often described as the father of the gods. He was sometimes thought to be married to Hesat or Hathor although the latter is usually referred to as his daughter. As his worship was pre-dated by that of some of his "children" (such as Hathor and Horus) it seems likely that he took on this role when he was associated with the creator god Atum.


According to the Pyramid Texts, Ra (as Atum) emerged from the waters of Nun as a benben stone (an obelisk-like pillar). He then spat forth Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture), and Tefnut in turn gave birth to Geb (earth) and Nut (sky). Ra tried to separate Geb and Nut by placing Shu between them and decreed that Nut could not give birth on any day of the calendar. However, Thoth won an extra five days from the moon so that Nut could give birth to Osiris, Set, Isis, Nephthys and Horus the Elder.

It was thought that Ra "died" or was swallowed by Nut every evening as the sun dipped below the horizon. He travelled through the world of the dead by night and was then reborn in the morning (making Nut both his granddaughter and his mother). At sunset he was linked to Horakhty (Horus on the Horizon) and Atum and at dawn he was linked to the scarab beetle, Khepri ("the Emerging One") and Nefertum

Ra-Horakhty-Atum was associated with Osiris as the manifestation of the sun at night. When Osiris was murdered by his brother Set, he became the God of the Underworld. Thus the Pharaoh was the son of Ra who ruled as the living Horus and who became Osiris on his death.

According to another myth, Ra ruled on earth as Pharaoh until he became old and weary. The people had lost respect for him and no longer obeyed his laws and so Ra decided that they should be punished. He sent his "Eye" to teach them a lesson, but then had to arrange to get her drunk to prevent her killing everyone. Once the danger had been averted, Ra decided it was time for him to leave the world to Horus ( who took his place as the king) and travel across the sky on Nut's back.
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 9:34PM
David Johnson | delete
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Ra was often described as the father of the gods. He was sometimes thought to be married to Hesat or Hathor although the latter is usually referred to as his daughter. As his worship was pre-dated by that of some of his "children" (such as Hathor and Horus) it seems likely that he took on this role when he was associated with the creator god Atum.


According to the Pyramid Texts, Ra (as Atum) emerged from the waters of Nun as a benben stone (an obelisk-like pillar). He then spat forth Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture), and Tefnut in turn gave birth to Geb (earth) and Nut (sky). Ra tried to separate Geb and Nut by placing Shu between them and decreed that Nut could not give birth on any day of the calendar. However, Thoth won an extra five days from the moon so that Nut could give birth to Osiris, Set, Isis, Nephthys and Horus the Elder.

It was thought that Ra "died" or was swallowed by Nut every evening as the sun dipped below the horizon. He travelled through the world of the dead by night and was then reborn in the morning (making Nut both his granddaughter and his mother). At sunset he was linked to Horakhty (Horus on the Horizon) and Atum and at dawn he was linked to the scarab beetle, Khepri ("the Emerging One") and Nefertum

Ra-Horakhty-Atum was associated with Osiris as the manifestation of the sun at night. When Osiris was murdered by his brother Set, he became the God of the Underworld. Thus the Pharaoh was the son of Ra who ruled as the living Horus and who became Osiris on his death.

According to another myth, Ra ruled on earth as Pharaoh until he became old and weary. The people had lost respect for him and no longer obeyed his laws and so Ra decided that they should be punished. He sent his "Eye" to teach them a lesson, but then had to arrange to get her drunk to prevent her killing everyone. Once the danger had been averted, Ra decided it was time for him to leave the world to Horus ( who took his place as the king) and travel across the sky on Nut's back.
Sunday, February 17th 2013 at 9:34PM
David Johnson | delete
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christina ,Steve and sis i found this info to be interesting makes you think humm

Ogdoad of Hermopolis (Khmunu)

Hermopolis means "the city of Hermes" in Greek. The Greeks gave it that name because it was a major cult centre of the god Thoth who they associated with their god Hermes, but the Egyptians knew it as Khmunu ("the City of the Eight").

The Ogdoad was a system of eight deities, four gods and their consorts (the number four was considered to represent completeness). Each pair represented the male and female aspects of the four creative powers or sources. Nun and Naunet represented the primeval waters; Heh and Hauhet represented eternity; Kuk and Kuaket represented darkness; and Amun and Amaunet represented air (or that which is hidden). The gods were all depicted with frog´s heads, while the goddesses had the heads of serpents. Only Amun went on to be considered as more than a primeval force. While Nun was still referred to often, it was only as the representation of the waters of Chaos.

These eight elements interacted causing an explosion (the Big Bang?) and the burst of energy which was released caused the primeval mound (located at Hermopolis, but originally known as the "Isle of Flame") to rise from the water. It was thought The gods and goddesses of the Ogdoad then ruled the earth during the Golden Age. When they died they took up residence in the "Duat" (or "Tuat" - the Underworld). The ensured that the Nile continued to flow, that the inundation would come every year and caused the sun to rise each day.
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 1:02AM
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Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
here are four central creation myths. The first held that the world was born from a cosmic egg created by the gods of the Ogdoad. It was invisible as the sun had not yet been born. When it opened, it revealed the "bird of light", an aspect of the sun god Re (occasionally the egg was said to contain air, associated with Amun and Amaunet). Alternatively, the egg was laid by a celestial goose called the Gengen Wer (the primeval goose who was associated with Amun who took this form as a creator god). When Re hatched from the egg, he created the world and everything in it. The second version says that the egg was laid by an ibis, (a bird sacred to Thoth). However, the cult of Thoth developed after the original myth of the Ogdoad, so it is probable that this story was an attempt to incorporate Thoth into the pre-existing Ogdoad (who were sometimes known as "the souls of Thoth").

The third myth states that a lotus flower emerged from the waters of "the Sea of the Two Knives" (a lake near to the temple in Hermopolis). The petals opened to reveal Re who then created the world. The fourth myth is similar, except it held that a scarab beetle (Khepri - the symbol of the rising sun) was revealed when the petals opened. The scarab transformed into a young boy whose tears formed the first human beings. The boy is generally considered to be Nefertum ("young Atum") but once Re and Horus had been merged as Re-Horakhty the boy was sometimes considered to be the infant Horus.

The Hermopolitans claimed that their theory of creation was older than any other in Egypt and that it was the Ogdoad who gave birth to both the sun and Atum . It is also interesting to note the similarity between the Ogdoad and the description of the creation of the world found in the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament).
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 1:07AM
David Johnson | delete

Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:40PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Harry,

I made two conclusions, both backed up with evidence.

"My studies (continued as a result of our discourse on David's blog) have led me to the conclusion that the Septuagint predates the Hebrew text and that the 9th-10th century Hebrew text is a translation of the Greek and not the other way around.. The extant Greek is centuries earlier than the oldest Hebrew text. There is also the fact that most of the quotes in the NT don't match the Hebrew OT, they match the Septuagint."

That I backed up with two considerations.

1) The NT quotes match the Septuagint, not the Hebrew text, and I gave an example. Look at the New Testament quotes and compare them with your Hebrew bible and with the Septuagint and prove that I am wrong. The New English Translation of the Septuagint can be accessed here:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/

2) I referenced a scholarly work which you will just have to read yourself. If you disagree with the author of that work then give your reasons based on what the author says.

The second conclusion is "Harry will not read".

That is backed up by empirical evidence.

Monday, February 18th 2013 at 11:19AM
Steve Williams
David,

The Pyramid Texts are a collection of funerary inscriptions written on the walls of nine Fifth and Sixth Dynasty pyramids (generally dated to around 2350 B.C.E). The oldest of the texts is from the pyramid of Unas, but it is generally thought that the texts were already very old at that time. It is often suggested that they were composed around 3000-3100 B.C.E, making them the oldest sacred texts in the world. For example, Utterances 273-4 (also known as the Cannibal Hymn) refer to a funerary cult that predates the pyramids (thought to have been constructed around 2500-2560 B.C.E).

On the other hand, the Enuma Elish is a Babylonian creation story from the 14th to 12th centuries BCE. Berossus appears to have drawn from this source.

Berossus wrote in the 3rd century BCE, and the earliest parts of the Septuagint were also written in the 3rd century BCE.

So the Egyptian creation stories are the earliest ones that tell that the earth was covered by the ocean and a creative force caused the dry land to appear. Just as we have in Genesis.

Monday, February 18th 2013 at 11:38AM
Steve Williams

Monday, February 18th 2013 at 9:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts - James Peter Allen
http://books.google.com/books?id=6VBJeCoDd...
Monday, February 18th 2013 at 12:20PM
Steve Williams
Wednesday, February 27th 2013 at 10:05AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Here's the link to a PDF copy of that book.
http://cotw.us/files_/Writings%20From%20Th...

Wednesday, February 27th 2013 at 10:57AM
Steve Williams
David,

This book is very thorough. It includes an extensive glossary and index. For example, Nu in the index lists all the spells that reference Nu and the glossy gives the definition of Nu.
Wednesday, February 27th 2013 at 11:14AM
Steve Williams
robert powell keep out !
Tuesday, March 5th 2013 at 1:20PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Very interesting that Asar. Aset, Black Buddha, Buddha, Christianity, Gerald Massey, Horus, Imhotep Black, Is Jesus Horus, Isis, Ivan Van Sertima, jesus, Jesus is Horus, Krishna is Black, Osiris, religion, The Black Madonna, The Madonna and Child, The Trinity, Virgin Mary and Jesus

Lets get real people The Brahma Samhita is a Sanskrit Pancaratra text composed of verses of prayer spoken by Brahma glorifying the supreme Lord Krishna or Govinda at the beginning of creation.
The lyrics, chapter 5 verse 38 reads: “I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who plays on His transcendental flute. His eyes are like lotus flowers, He is decorated with peacock plumes, and His bodily color resembles the color of a fresh black cloud, although His bodily features are more beautiful than millions of Cupids.”
Chapter 6, verses 1-2 reads: “The Lord was dressed in yellow garments and had a blackish complexion.”
The Sanskrit word “Krishna” has the literal meaning “black,” ”dark” or ”dark-blue.” Krishna is also called “Śyāma,” the blackish one, or the beautiful dark boy with a blackish color.

In a two-volume work entitled, “A Book of the Beginnings,” originally published in 1881, author Gerald Massey recorded:
“It is not necessary to show that the first colonizers of India were black, but it is certain that the black Buddha of India was imaged in the Africoid type. In the black [African] god, whether called Buddha or Sut-Nahsi, we have a datum. They carry in their color the proof of their origin.

The father/god of medicine was deified two thousand years after his death.
James Henry Breasted, an American archaeologist and historian, says of Imhotep:
“In priestly wisdom, in magic, in the formulation of wise proverbs; in medicine and architecture; this remarkable figure of Zoser’s reign left so notable a reputation that his name was never forgotten. The people sang of his proverbs centuries later, and 2,500 years after his death, he had become a god of medicine in whom Greeks, who call him Imouthes, recognized their own Asklepios.”

According to Stephen Benko, author of “Pagan Rome and the Early Christians,“ ”The Black Madonna is the ancient earth-goddess converted to Christianity.”
Ivan Van Sertima in “BLACK MADONNAS OF EUROPE: Diffusion of the African Isis” added:
“The Black Madonnas of Europe have a tradition which goes back hundreds of years, before the advent of Christianity. The African Isis [Aset] was prototype for the Black Madonnas of Europe. As the worship of Isis was suppressed, the Virgin Mary was elevated into the European Christendom. The African Isis was worshiped under the name of the Virgin Mary.”

Thomas Inman affirms the Egyptian roots of the Christian trinity in his work, “Ancient Pagan and Modern Christian Symbolism.”
Inman writes: “The Christian trinity is of Egyptian origin, and is as surely a pagan doctrine as the belief in heaven and hell, the existence of a devil, of archangels, angels, spirits and saints, martyrs and virgins, intercessors in heaven, gods and demigods, and other forms of faith which deface the greater part of modern religions.”
Egyptologist Erik Hornung noted in “The Secret Lore of Egypt: Its Impact on the West:” “There was an obvious analogy between the Horus [Heru] child and the baby Jesus and the care they received from their sacred mothers; long before Christianity, Isis [Aset] had borne the epithet ‘mother of the god.’”

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/09/25/bla...

Monday, October 7th 2013 at 3:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
robert powell you not allowed to comment on this blog ! got it !
Monday, October 7th 2013 at 9:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
let me up date these files

The bible says its an ALLEGORY ???? you mean its a LIE ! (305 hits)
the language and culture of Islam is Arabic most Arabs are Muslims I really want you to get this so read well my people read well THE BLOG KING is about to showcase his skillz’s this is something you never took the time to realized until now ,,,

,understand most people belong to the religion of their geographical location in other words people born in Japan are not Muslims they are not Christians because the religion the culture religion of that geographical location is Buddhism, stay with me ok

Someone go get Yacob,Robert ,and Harry so I can bust their bubble
People born in India are Hindus by in large because of the geographical location people born in americakkk or Europe are Christians because that is the cultural religion of the white man or the European I said all that to say most Arabs are Muslims but most Muslims are not Arabs there are more black Africans that are Muslims then Arabs in the world !

It is believed that Arabs came from Ishmael right? All Arabs will tell you that theIr genealogy comes from Ishmael who was the son supposal of Abraham ,,,are you still with me this is going to get good follow the BLOG KING to the land of truth and be set free !
Ishmael who was the son supposal of Abraham, Ishmael according to what they put in our head , Ishmael is the 14 year old older brother of someone they call Isaac who is the other son of Abraham according to the BIBLE where it says ‘’ vs 22 for it is written Abraham had 2 sons one by a bondmaids
And the other by a free woman but he who is of the bondwoman was born after the flesh ,,,born out of lust but he of the free woman was born out of the promise GOD made to Abraham notice vs 24 says which things are a allegory to explain these two covenants,,,,, what ? WAIT!!!

An ALLEGORY,,,, al•le•go•ry MEANING ; fable, parable a. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
b. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby **** are allegories.

Again the bible says in other words this story about Abraham and his two sons and everything in between is An ALLEGORY a made up story ,,a lie ok lets call it what it is it’s a lie ! don’t get mad at The Blog King hell its in the bible ok but if the bible is telling the truth then it is saying ,Abraham historically and physiologically never existed read it for yourself Harry, Robert,jacko and anyone who miss the boat !the truth is some powerful people wrote their fabricated story in the bible and we believed it we believed the lie ! Christianity ,Islam ,Judaism ,,religion ,,we believed the lie !

As a result to try and a pontifice a allegory they taught something as history that never happen we are looking at the historical records (the bible)and it is saying it never happen now here is the lie in details
You can find this in the torah ,bible and the Koran !

Open your bibles to gen 16 where iT reads ,,,,now Sarah Abram’s wife bear him no children ‘’ she could not have kids ,,,,,we already read that this did not historical happen keep that in mind as you read this is a allegory (this is real deep I have studied this all the way through)
Sarah Abram’s wife bear him no children and she had a handmaid a Egyptian( PAY CLOSE ATTITION **** GETS REAL GOOD FROM HERE )
she had a handmaid a Egyptian, Not a Arab ,Islamic, Jewish woman but a Egyptian woman who’s name was Hagar and Sarah said unto Abram wait before we go on ,,,Harry ,Robert Yacob ARE YOU 3 STOOGIES READING she had a handmaid a Egyptian, Not a Arab ,Islamic, Jewish woman but a Egyptian woman who’s name was Hagar This is the woman who had Ishmael, Hagar a Egyptian woman according to the lie in the bible an allegory she never existed but based on the lie Hager was Egyptian woman now how the hell did Ishmael become a Arab ????

Read and Sarah said unto Abram behold now the lord has restrained ne from having kids I pray thee go into my maid ,,,,that I may have children through her ,,,and Abram listen to her then SARAH gave Hagar to Abram to be his wife ,she gave the maid to her husband to marry not as a concubine but a wife ,after Hagar got pregnant she hated Sarah and thought you might be his wife but im carrying his baby something you cant do and Sarah said unto Abram’’ I Messed up and I should not have done what I DID
When this maid saw she was having your baby I was despised in her eyes Abram said to Sarah that’s your maid your servant ,,yea she might be carrying my baby but that is your servant do whatever you want to do with her and Sarah dealt with her and she left vs 11 and the angle of the lord said to her tho are with child and shall bare a son and shall call him Ishmael ! again this never happen this is all a ALLEGORY you know this never happen I know this never happen but those that don’t know this to them this is history because they don’t know better like you and me if the read this like you they gone learn today lol

For those that don’t know any better this is what GOD did and what is interesting the bible is from a Jewish prospective and the same story is in the Koran notice what the Jewish prospective says about Ishmael ..vs 14 he will be a wild man he will not get along with any man and he shall dwell in the presence of his brothers vs 15 and she had a son and named him Ishmael , Abram was 86 years old ,,,,,

Right now im going to give yall a chance to digest all this information ,,there is more it took me about 2/4 hrs to study all this but again keep in mind this never happen its all an ALLEGORY say it with me ‘’ its an ALLEGORY,,, I say all this with love for my people ,,,,THE BLOG KING !!!

Posted By: David Johnson
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:10AM
DAVID JOHNSON
This study comes from Christianity and Islam A Strategy For Our Division Part 3 Dr Ray Hagins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0onR_PtMr...
this will blow your mind
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:11AM
DAVID JOHNSON
RELIGION IS THE ART OF OCCUPYING LIMITED MINDS WITH THAT WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMPREHEND!!!

No religious system can be founded otherwise than upon the nature of God and humans, and upon the relations they bear to each other. But in order to judge the reality of these relations, we must have some idea of the divine nature. But, theology tells us that the nature and essence of God is incomprehensible to man; after all how can the finite comprehend the infinite? Yet, at the same time theologians (and their religions) do not hesitate to assign attributes to this incomprehensible God, and then convince their adherents that man cannot dispense with a knowledge of this God so impossible to conceive of!

How is it that we have succeeded in persuading reasonable beings that the thing most impossible for them to understand is the most essential for them? Why is it that the most important thing for man is that which is impossible for him to comprehend?

I repeat, RELIGION IS THE ART OF OCCUPYING LIMITED MINDS WITH THAT WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COMPREHEND!!!



Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:16AM
DAVID JOHNSON
MORE INFO HOW THEY USED JESUS CHRIST TO KEEP THE BLACK AFRICANS SUPPRESSED
HERE IS THE NAME OF THE BOOK "Golden Stool" -- Edwin W. Smith
READ
--page 173
" to win a people to Christ it is necessay to Europeanize them. Behind all
systems of administration lies the fundamental question of what we intend to make
of the Africans. One policy is that of repression."

--186
"The first method is to destroy their institutions and religions. Since a civilization is the expression of the mind of a people the African must first be endowed with a European mind if he is to be civilized.

"...what a web they have weaved for to deceive..."

Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:23AM
DAVID JOHNSON
RELIGION ........EYES WIDE OPEN !!!!
once the eye of the mind has been open to the truth it will never be the same ,,thats me i will never be the same I came here looking for truth because something in my spirit was not right for the last 2 years through study and more study with DR. RAY HAGINS Im where i need to be I dont need the ball and chain of religion to to be spiritually connect to GOD !
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:30AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
you better sit down this is the prime rib of information ,,,it is mind blowing ,,trust me your going to need a drink of water after this !!


These are the people that run the world the ruling party that the government don't know about if the do they cant touch them because the are the religous elders of ZION

These people put the pope in office ,the president, they rule the world !

look at the lie they have told ,,this is going to blow your mind !

Im going to show you the lies that came from the elders of Zion

these are the religious leaders at the highest im are talking about leaders that put the pope in position dont take my word read for yourself they are the ones that have created these religions knowing it was a lie A Strategy For Our Division ,,,,,,

they got together and had a meeting and this is what they said

The term "Goyim"

Meaning GENTILES or NON-JEW, is used throughout the Proto-cols

read :PROTOCOL NO. 5 section 5
For a time perhaps we might be successfully dealt with by a
coalition of the GOYIM of all the world: but from this danger we
are secured by the discord existing among them whose roots are so
deeply seated that they can never now be plucked up. We have set
one against another the personal and national reckonings of the
goyim, religious and race hatreds, which we have fostered into a
huge growth in the course of the past twenty centuries.
This is the reason why there is not one State which would anywhere
receive support if it were to raise its arm, for every one of
them must bear in mind that any agreement against us would be
unprofitable to itself. We are too strong--there is no evading
our power. The nations cannot come to even an inconsiderable
private agreement without our secretly having a hand in it.

the past twenty centuries 2000 years they have lied

and spawn discord of hate and false religion !

PROTOCOL NO. 9 section 10

We have fooled, bemused and corrupted the youth of the goyim
by rearing them in principles and theories which are known to us
to be false although it is by us that they have been inculcated.
Above the existing laws without substantially altering them,
and by merely twisting them into contradictions of
interpretations, we have erected something grandiose in the way
of results. These results found expression first in the fact that
the interpretations masked the laws: afterwards they entirely hid
them from the eyes of the governments owing to the impossibility
of making anything out of the tangled web of legislation.
This is the origin of the theory of course of arbitration.
You may say that the goyim will rise upon us, arms in hand,
if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the
West we have against this a manoeuvre of such appalling terror
that the very stoutest hearts quail -- the undergrounds,
metropolitains, those subterranean corridors which, before the
time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence
those capitals will be blown into the air with all their
organizations and archives.

people there is a system in place that has fooled us all ,,,its all a lie

read for yourself !!

http://d****erson.igc.org/The_Protocols_of...

Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:31AM
DAVID JOHNSON
read :PROTOCOL NO. 5 section 5
For a time perhaps we might be successfully dealt with by a
coalition of the GOYIM of all the world: but from this danger we
are secured by the discord existing among them whose roots are so
deeply seated that they can never now be plucked up. We have set
one against another the personal and national reckonings of the
goyim, religious and race hatreds, which we have fostered into a
huge growth in the course of the past twenty centuries.
This is the reason why there is not one State which would anywhere
receive support if it were to raise its arm, for every one of
them must bear in mind that any agreement against us would be
unprofitable to itself. We are too strong--there is no evading
our power. The nations cannot come to even an inconsiderable
private agreement without our secretly having a hand in it.

the past twenty centuries 2000 years they have lied

and spawn discord of hate and false religion !
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:32AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Christianity and Islam A Strategy For Our Division Part 2 Dr Ray Hagins
http://youtu.be/4kt3Hw33GX4
watch all the videos I thing there are 7 videos on this subject !
good learning material
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:35AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands, of Jews
have died because of this infamous forgery."
http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:42AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Why are churches, pastors, evangelists, members, saints and friends spending so much time trying to preach the gospel and win souls to Christ? According to the bible, there is no longer a need for that!!!

Hebrews 8:10-11 clearly states, Now, this is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel in the days to come, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. None of them will have to teach their friends or tell their neighbors, ‘Know the Lord.’ For they will all know me, from the least to the greatest.

So (according to this passage), we understand the following 3 things:

1. God will put his laws (i.e., precepts, ways, guide, etc.) in people's minds and write them in their hearts.

2. That the relationship will be personal (not corporate or congregational).

3. No one will have to teach others about God or about getting to "know the Lord" because EVERYONE will know him regardless of who you are.

So, if you believe the bible to be true, and you follow what it says, then why are churches, pastors, evangelists, members, saints and friends still trying to do what their bible says there is no longer a need to do?

Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:46AM
DAVID JOHNSON
I would like to share a bit of advice... When your religious beliefs are incompatible and irreconcilable with verifiable and undeniable historical facts, please have enough sense to at least consider the possibility (if not the probability) that your religious beliefs are incorrect. To do anything less would only declare you a fool and incapable of common sense.
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 12:59AM
DAVID JOHNSON

Pastor Ray Hagins, SPEAKS !..Calvary, Who & What It Is ! video

When you can not validate the truth of something, then you have to believe. The book tiltled the bible have to be believed because there is no evidence outside of its pages in world history that can validate it's truth. Ancient Kemet pre-dates the christian religion,bible and jesus by thousands of years BC and you can see the evidence of its existance today. You can't find one shred of evidence grave sites, etc. validating any person in the bible. only belief.

Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 1:02AM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://youtu.be/YCs6ITNf_Bo
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 1:03AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David,
One of the thing you must remember is that none of that was written to us or the white people of ourtime. We are not hebrews, we speak engllish. The writers of the old and new testament did not know anything about the Americas and the people here. They did know about Africa. If you will notice, there are specific messages for many of the people of that time ie. Hebrews, Romans Thesselonians, Ephesians, Colossiuns, Philippians, etc. all ofwho were waiting for a savior. We also need to remember that the death of Jesus ws a political assassination. The Jews were in a struggle with Jesus for power. It was also prompted by fear ofthe Romans.
Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 6:19PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
I've been saying that all along. Where have you been lol.

Saturday, December 28th 2013 at 6:27PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
2014 the best is yet to come !!
Sunday, December 29th 2013 at 1:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/lo...
Sunday, January 5th 2014 at 11:49AM
DAVID JOHNSON
DELETED !!
Sunday, January 5th 2014 at 11:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
HERE WAS NO SPIRITUALITY IN CHRISTIANITY UNTIL THE SLAVES GOT A HOLD OF IT !!

religion can be put to different uses but has no intrinsic immutable absolute purpose.

Hmmm, I don't think that religion can be said to have a purpose as such. It is simply a successful meme that plays upon some of our deepest instincts. For example, a fear of death is natural and instinctive, but the idea of an eternal afterlife could become a successful meme because it allows us to trick ourselves into not being scared. Similarly, if a society has a cosmic law-giver, it supports co-operation and homogeneity within this society, which allows it to prosper over more spiritually anarchic societies. Religion is humankind's first attempt at law, at science, at moral philosophy... and it worked to our advantage for a while.

Black people were not brought to this country to be given education, citizenship or democracy. They were brought here to serve, to labor and to obey. When the American promise was made originally, it was not meant for us. When the American dream was dreamed originally, it was not dreamed for us. And yet we, the pathological American patriots, have never been able to accept this. And when they said, "Liberty and justice for all," we ran to the place where the "all" was being given out, only to discover that we were not part of that "all." And when they draw the picture of the "all," we discover again to our heartbreak that we are not in the picture. WE ARE SLAVES TO AMERICAS ,,,,,RELIGION

IT WAS CREATED FOR POLITICAL REASONS AND POWER,,,, POINT BLANK !

THERE WAS NO SPIRITUALITY IN CHRISTIANITY UNTIL THE SLAVES GOT A HOLD OF IT !!

if Heaven is a good place, if everyone wants to meet God, then how comes that nobody wants to die?
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 6:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
We are America's contradiction. We are a free citizen in a democracy, and yet the sores of racism, inherited from slavery, are still with us and lingering, in the black communities, especially the black urban communities. Black urban communities are the servants' quarters that were created because after the servants had served the master the latter did not want to look at them until he wished to be served again. These communities are old in America. The early freed blacks and escaped slaves lived, in most cases, in the first black urban communities. When servants were educated at all they were educated to serve and not to share power. This is the basic dilemma in black education. Black people were not brought to this country to be given education, citizenship or democracy. They were brought here to serve, to labor and to obey. When the American promise was made originally, it was not meant for us. When the American dream was dreamed originally, it was not dreamed for us. And yet we, the pathological American patriots, have never been able to accept this. And when they said, "Liberty and justice for all," we ran to the place where the "all" was being given out, only to discover that we were not part of that "all." And when they draw the picture of the "all," we discover again to our heartbreak that we are not in the picture.

I think our misunderstanding of America is a misunderstanding of its design. If we could understand its design we would understand its education and its miseducation. To understand its design we must go back to its roots and look at the religion of each one of its founding fathers. Go back and look at the property holdings of each of these founding fathers and you will understand what is so very apparent every day, namely, that this country was designed for free, white, protestant males, preferably those who own property and agree with the prevailing political status quo. Everyone else in America is second to that group, although some people choose to dream otherwise. This country was founded on a particular pecking order with the protestant male property owners at the top of the peeking order. I draw the following example from my sharecropper's background. The rooster in the conglomerate of chickens is the king, and when he gets bored he pecks at one of the hens. In turn the hen, by whatever motivation propels hens, pecks at a smaller hen until it gets down to the smallest chick. The smallest chick does not peck back because he is the end of the pecking order. In the pecking order of power in America, black people stand at the end of the pecking order. What disturbs America now is that there is a revolt at the end of the pecking order. The people in between, especially the white ethnic minorities are in a panic, because if we move from the bottom—who is going to take that last peck without pecking back?

What we have to do in America is to end the whole system of the pecking order and to do this we will have to deal with the white, protestant, maledominated society in order to end this system and bring about a semblance of democracy which could ultimately lead to true democracy. When this happens black people will be able to go where the "all" is given out and get their share of the "all," and they will be able to look at the picture of the "all" and see themselves. Until this happens this country is unworthy of the name Christian and unworthy of the label Democracy.

Another contradiction in America for us is the contradiction in education. We are seen as powerless people and powerful people never educate powerless people in how to take power from them. When education is given to powerless people, the main function of that education is to control them. And this is the tragedy of education for the blacks and for the education of the poor in this country. One can be formally educated and still be a fool where he does not know how to handle himself vis-a-vis the power that controls him.

We need to re-cast education in its entirety. A child going to school needs to be taught how to live in the world that he lives in and how to change that world when it is needed. Somebody needs to take a child's coat or shirt and tell him what process cloth has to go through chemically and scientifically from the field to the shirt, and how one can take a piece of cotton and through different processes turn it into a napkin, a sheet, a towel, and mixed with another kind of fabric into a coat.

We need to sit a child down before his class so that the entire class can see him and be educated by the lesson. We start with his shoes, explainlng that Jan Matzeliger, a black man, invented the lathe that revolutionized shoemaking in America, and that the process of leather tanning was old among us before Europe was born, and that the famous Moroccan leather craved by the kings of Europe did not come from Morocco at all, but came from the same place it still comes from, Northern Nigeria. And that the tanning process in Morocco was in the hands of African craftsmen who made the gloves and the saddles for the horses of the kings. And when we are through with his shoes, we can deal with his cotton socks. He must learn that Eli Whitney did not really invent the cotton gin but tipped the balance laid out by an illiterate slave and developed it into the cotton gin, and then we can deal with cotton itself and the relationship of blacks in America to cotton.

We could ask him how he arrived at school that day. He would tell us that he walked through the streets. We could tell him the contributions of blacks to roadbuilding, long before Europe had its first road. We could mention that the stoplight was a black invention. What we need to do is draw from day-to-day knowledge to teach our children that all history is a current event and that nothing man ever does in the world ever leaves the world, and the first man that sneezed is still influencing the atmosphere, and that all things are here for all time to come, and that if you extract from America the contributions of blacks to this society, the American society would come to a halt.

We could tell this child how the expression, "The real McCoy" developed in our society. The coupling that goes into holding trains together, and the lubrication system that revolutionized American industry was invented by Elijah McCoy, a black man. Elijah McCoy invented so many things and white inventors stole so much from him that when they went to the patent office to register a lubrication system, he was asked, "Did you steal this directly from McCoy, or is this the real McCoy?

By the things that touch the young child's life every day we can try to show him that there moves the genius of his people. The electrical system between the trains was invented by a black man. The very fluorescent light in our room was invented by Louis Latimer who assisted Edison in more ways than Edison cared to admit. Edison's light bulb kept going out until Louis Latimer came up with the filament that made the light burn and bum and bum. This same Louis Latimer drew up the plans for the telephone and he did one other thing that I wish he had not done, he improved the old Gatlin gun which became the forerunner of the rapid-fire machine gun. This same Gatlin gun in the hands of the British, helped to build the British Empire.

In talking about education and struggle, I have been alluding to street education versus formal education and how to communicate with the child whose education is more on the street than in the classroom. My point here is that the institutions of the powerful are limited when it comes to educating powerless people, no matter what the purpose of those institutions happens to be. The one thing powerful people cannot afford to say to powerless people is, "We were wrong." They cannot afford to make this admission without giving the impression that they are unworthy of handling the power that they have. They must always give the illusion of forever being right no matter how disastrous this illusion might turn out to be.

In talking about struggle and formal education we must start with the New England states. At the turn of the century newly freed blacks produced leaders like Frederick Douglass, and strong, black radical ministers who established the first black newspapers, the first labor organizations and the first independent black churches. Now the white missionaries from the North were assisting in black education. Something happened that was very unique in American history and it is unfortunate that this is now forgotten. The first large group of white women who went to school were educated in the New England states. The New England man, a high school graduate if he was that, a good craftsman, a good manager of a factory, but a man not too intellectually endowed, did not know what to do with this college-bred woman. They surely were not going to marry them. In fact, they acted as though they were afraid of them. Large numbers of these women were sent to the south to teach in the newly established schools for blacks. They were called New England schoolmarms, and made a major contribution to black education at a time when we had only a small number of trained black teachers.

Although we have to be thankful for their presence, some of their teaching proved disastrous. Some of these teachers came from New England finishing schools and began to train the black girls accordingly. They began to train black children from farm communities, where they did not have enough forks to go around, how to set a table for a banquet, when they would never have a banquet. If these New England women knew what we did have, like tent meetings, collective eating, mass church picnics in a setting where everything was finger food and no forks were needed, perhaps they could have adopted a more realistic approach to educating the children. They began to teach our girls what gloves to wear with what gown, and our girls often did not own gowns. This was a waste, as all improper education is a waste. One of the notable subjects they taught were Latin and Greek. Their best contribution to our education was the training of black teachers in the structure, design and methodology of teaching the English language. Soon after Reconstruction the southern man must have gotten used to them. He no longer seemed to panic over them, although he remained in awe of them, and eventually began to marry them. Many of these women remained in the South and became Southerners. Some of them returned to New England to live out the last of their days. In the turbulent period of the Reconstruction and its aftermath, when black colleges and new black institutions were established, the schoolmarms were either marrying Southerners or going back to New England, and there was a terrible struggle to keep alive these institutions without their support.

Early in the twentieth century black institutions were still in trouble and vying for a new kind of education and only partly winning the fight. The racially motivated raids in the South and the struggle against these raids caused blacks to migrate from the South in increasing numbers. They came to communities like Harlem, Boston, Philadelphia. and Chicago looking for a new way of life, a new home for themselves and new opportunities for their children. They came looking for something better than what they left behind only to discover that they were to meet new troubles in these places that had to be dealt with in different ways.

We arrived at this present point in our history again facing change. We are increasingly facing a world that will be run, in the main, by science, technology and the ideology that will maintain these forces. Education for the African world of tomorrow must first and foremost take this fact into consideration. When our youth are properly trained to face this reality there should not be a single child, male or female, in the African world, over the age of ten, without a basic knowledge of the computer, some sciences and the accompanying technology. Great emphasis needs to be placed on ending the dependency on others which started during slavery. We must, increasingly depend on ourselves and exchange goods and services between ourselves and others. We should look realistically at the state of the world and build the kind of state that can be the container for our culture, our hopes, our aspirations and the land base of our true sovereignty. All education should be education to assume responsibility
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 6:51PM
DAVID JOHNSON
DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE - YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS
http://youtu.be/5h5ENxQWx9E
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 6:52PM
DAVID JOHNSON
here is a profound statement;
PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD..!

AND DR,RAY HAGiNS WILL PAY ALL YOUR LIVING EXPENSES FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE UNTIL HE DIES........ RIGHT NOW HE IS 54 YRS OLD AND DOES NOT PLAN TO DIE ANYTIME SOON ,,,,, SEE THE VIDEO YOU CAN GOT TO 15;26 on the video and start there or right from the start !!
http://youtu.be/5w19Ppifw7s
NOTE this is going to shock a lot of you ,,we are not trying to hurt or insult you we are trying to stop the LIES ,,,,, RESURRECTION SUNDAY IS FAKE !!
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 6:59PM
DAVID JOHNSON
TELL ME WHAT DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF
How DID AN ANCIENT Egyptian get INTO THE After Life?
The gods judged how the dead person had led their life to decide if they
deserved to be given eternal life and enter the afterlife. The dead person’s
heart was weighed on a set of scales against the feather of truth. If the scales
showed the dead person was free from evil, they were declared ‘true of voice’
and admitted to the afterlife. If not, their heart would be eaten by the ‘Devourer’
monster and they would cease to exist – forever.
THIS STORY IS 85000 YEARS OLD
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Harlem Renaissance[edit]


Zora Neale Hurston was a prominent literary figure during the Harlem Renaissance
Main article: Harlem Renaissance
The first major public recognition of African-American culture occurred during the Harlem Renaissance. In the 1920s and 1930s, African-American music, literature, and art gained wide notice. Authors such as Zora Neale Hurston and Nella Larsen and poets such as Langston Hughes, Claude McKay, and Countee Cullen wrote works describing the African-American experience. Jazz, swing, blues and other musical forms entered American popular music. African-American artists such as William H. Johnson and Palmer Hayden created unique works of art featuring African Americans.[16]
The Harlem Renaissance was also a time of increased political involvement for African Americans. Among the notable African-American political movements founded in the early 20th century are the United Negro Improvement Association and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The Nation of Islam, a notable quasi-Islamic religious movement, also began in the early 1930s.[18]
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
This article is about the "history of the controversy" about the race of the ancient Egyptians. For discussion of the scientific evidence relating to the race of the ancient Egyptians, see Population history of Egypt.
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The question of the race of ancient Egyptians was raised historically as a product of the scientific racism of the 18th and 19th centuries, and was linked to models of racial hierarchy based on skin color, facial features, hair texture, and genetic affiliations.[1] A variety of views circulated about the racial identity of the Egyptians and the source of their culture.[2] These were typically identified in terms of a distinction between the "Black African" (Sub-Saharan African) and Caucasian (including European and Middle Eastern) racial categories. Some accounts argued that Egyptian culture emerged from more southernly African peoples, while others pointed to influences from the Middle East, and yet others proposed that at least the upper classes originated from Europe.
Since the second half of the 20th century, anthropologists have rejected the notion of race as having any validity in the study of human biology.[3][4] Typological and hierarchical models of race have increasingly been rejected by scientists in favour of models of societal development based on geographical origin.
However, the question of the phenotypical characteristics (skin color, facial features, hair texture) and genetic affiliations of the ancient Egyptians remains a point of study, discussion, and debate,[5] especially in the domain of African scholarship. Recent DNA studies of mummies of the Ramesses dynasty and the Armana dynasty of the New Kingdom state that these dynasties carried the Haplogroup E1b1a, which is common in modern Sub-Saharan African populations.[6][7] However many experts in the DNA field dispute these conclusions, and claim instead that DNA sequencing from ancient material is unreliable and prone to contamination.[8]
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:06PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Find Your Ancestors
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic...

http://realhistoryww.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
African American Genealogy Records and Research
Most people seeking their African American genealogy can trace their ancestry to slaves who were brought to this country from Africa and from the Caribbean Islands. FamilySearch provides free access to valuable African American historical records. These include military, census, and vital records, slave ownership records and bank records. Research guides and instructional videos are also available to help you learn how to use these records to find your ancestors.
https://familysearch.org/african-american-...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
This article is about the "history of the controversy" about the race of the ancient Egyptians. For discussion of the scientific evidence relating to the race of the ancient Egyptians, see Population history of Egypt. NEW Descriptive Lists of Colored Volunteer Army Soldiers 1864
NEW Register of U.S. Colored Troop Deaths
During the Civil War 1862–1865
NEW Danish West Indies, Slave Records,
1672–1917
NEW Negro Newspapers from the Library of Congress, 1829–1947
NEW St. Croix, V.I., Free Colored Censuses, 1815–1832
NEW U.S., Buffalo Soldiers, Returns from
Regular Army Cavalry Regiments, 1866–1916
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U.S., Interviews with Former Slaves, 1936–1938
U.S. Colored Troops Military Service Records, 1861–1865
U.S. Freedmen’s Bureau Records, 1865–1878
New Orleans, Louisiana, Slave Manifests,
1807–1860
Slave Ads and Abstracts, 1823–1849
Slave Owner Petitions, 1862–1863
Slave Emancipation Records, 1851–1863
U.S. Southern Claims Commission, 1871–1880
U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules, 1860
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
FREE Download Uncle Tom's Cabin as PDF
http://www.classicly.com/library
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:08PM
DAVID JOHNSON
ALL PART OF WILLIE LINCH MOVE TO DISPEL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CRADLE OF LIFE STARTED WITH AFRICA .....NOT WORTH EVEN LOOKING AT !!

we got to fight the sellouts ,,,wanna be black but hating on us !!
trailer park black .....
African American Genealogy Records and Research
Most people seeking their African American genealogy can trace their ancestry to slaves who were brought to this country from Africa and from the Caribbean Islands. FamilySearch provides free access to valuable African American historical records. These include military, census, and vital records, slave ownership records and bank records. Research guides and instructional videos are also available to help you learn how to use these records to find your ancestors.
https://familysearch.org/african-american-...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON
all attempts at discovering, refurbishing, clarifying and qualifying our history are simply cogent efforts to establish and relocate ourselves in the continuum of human history and to place them alongside of the narratives of other peoples of the world. The celebration of black history then becomes a concerted effort to help people of African descent and others to rediscover and relocate themselves and their true contributions to world civilization and development. There is something empowering about knowing and rediscovering that history and re-establishing one's rightful place in it. Contrary to some longheld assumptions, these efforts do not preclude African-Americans from seeing and valuing the contributions of other peoples of the world.

Thus the full story of our history is still being revealed. The narrative forms of that history are also morphing into new narratives that both disclose who we are and what we will yet become, and shed even more light on our journey; its joys and sorrows, its successes and failures, its victories and defeats and the
numerous ways in which the chaos of human existence has been ordered and harmonized into triumphant cultural patterns and vibrant life forms that still live with us today.

Important in understanding the history of any people is to truly know not only what they have done for survival, sensibility and achievement but how they have achieved that existence. How we have accomplished those great things is nearly as important as what we have accomplished, and such lessons
are important not just for African-Americans but for all people and students of history interested in discovering the ways and means in which various tribes and aggregates of humans have managed to come through the many dangers, toils and snares of their earthly odyssey and sojourns.

By undertaking as serious evaluation of black history and its strengths, by finding ways of discovering what we achieved and how we achieved it under various conditions of oppression, we can learn something more about how we have overcome which can be invaluable lessons not only to present and future generations but to all people everywhere. By focusing our strengths and overcoming our weaknesses, we have fashioned a legacy of hope and survival that should be an inspiration for all human kind and that is another of many reasons why black history is so important. see my video !!
David Johnson
http://youtu.be/Q8wNM6jO38c





Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:10PM
DAVID JOHNSON
STOP TELLING LIES PART 2 ,,Carbon dating relics on the walls on statutes in Egypt or anywhere else is 'BOGUS' (78 hits)
Why do pople tell lies and try to mislead the people ?
thank God we have real people on this site that know how to research and bring out the facts ,to kill these lifeless lairs .....

some mad man names YACOB JAKES ,SAINT WHO HAS BEEN EXPOSED OVER 1000 X FOR ALL HIS LIES AND FAKE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BLACK HISTORY HAD THIS TO SAY ,,,,


You can talk to doomsday and the truth will not illuminate with some people.

Most of our people think that dark-skinned people dated back millions of year with faulty radio-carbon dating by the so-called whiteman (EDOMITES).

Carbon dating relics on the walls on statutes in Egypt or anywhere else is 'BOGUS' science and has been refuted by scientific experts.

Don't believe me look-it-up in the scientific journals ??????????



But the "Black Consciousness" movement believes this mess without referring to chemistry journals in the literature about radio-carbon techniques to determine an age of a relic or a human body!

Most people on this site believe that human kind started in Africa despite the United Nations and worldwide archeologists stating that it was Iraq or Mesopotamia.

That archeological evidence was ratified by all nations within the United Nations.

Many also believe that Africa is our homeland and every other dark-skinned people on earth.

That belief is totally out of order and shows their lack of research and no travel into Asia or Africa as proof!

Lastly David Johnson and Thomasena Johnson are the number one supporters of the Black African movement, why???

Black Hamites know that we are not from the same nationality"' AS US Negroes' and if asked they will tell you so!

The so-called whiteman refers to us as so-called Negroes and Africans as Africans for a reason??

They know we ain't the same people or nationality despite being dark-skinned.

Jen Fad's husband provided substantial proof that the "Negroes" put on those cargo ships to the America's were Hebrew Israelites by descent, rituals, spiritual worship and custom.

Even the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said the same thing as well as Farrakhan.

Kahlid Muhammad was educated at the One West Hebrew School on 125th street and 5th Avenue and Malcolm X was getting Biblical breakdowns from High Priest Arayha while he was the lead Minister in the Mosque on 127street and the corner of Lenox Avenue in Harlem.

Despite history, personal documented accounts of individual's some people on this site will close their eyes to the truth.

Best of luck Harry because if you are unwilling to do the research and believe someone who has not traveled internationally, lack knowledge of nationalities and nations, and devoid of languages and meaning of words, well consider yourself lost!

They will believe what that want to believe............

Remember you want to save the 2/3rds, RIGHT?????

The so-called whiteman say he measures the density of a female skull and say that Lucy lived 1 million years ago in Ethiopia???
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
THEN what the hell is this dummy ?????

African American Genealogy Records and Research
Most people seeking their African American genealogy can trace their ancestry to slaves who were brought to this country from Africa and from the Caribbean Islands. FamilySearch provides free access to valuable African American historical records. These include military, census, and vital records, slave ownership records and bank records. Research guides and instructional videos are also available to help you learn how to use these records to find your ancestors.
https://familysearch.org/african-american-...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON
JUST HOW DID THE ETHIOPIANS BECOME DESIGNATED AS THE "FALASHA" OR "BETA JEWS"?

According to biblical mythology, a beautiful Afrikan woman named the Queen of Sheba journey's to judaica because she's heard about, and wants to see this brilliant man named King Solomon, hoping he could cure her, because according to legend she had feet like a calf's hove.

NOTE: notice how the actual name of this "queen" of Sheba is never mentioned.

Sadly...people think sheba's her actual name LOL!! The name "sheba" (which is the name of the land by the way), literally means "sabien", which translates into "ethiopian"

Well anyway, according to the story, once Solomon laid eyes on her, he falls in love and impregnates her. She returns back to Ethiopia and has a baby by the name of "Menelik".

Now since he's the son of Solomon, his lineage/offspring is the alleged beginning of the falasha or beta jews starting in Ethiopia.

Rule #1: HISTORICALLY none of that sh*t ever happened. There's NO SUCH THING as a "historical israelite/jew/hebrew".

Rule #2: they ONLY exist within the pages of judeo-christian literature.

Ethiopia was NEVER a judeo-christian country until the middle of the 19th century, when christian missionaries went over there and FORCED their dyophysitic chrisitian ideology on them. This is also a time when there was a HUGE influx of european imperial powers that sent their missionaries into Afrika, and forced/indoctrinated them with biblical teachings.

So how exactly did Ethiopians became the "beta/falasha jews"?

Here's how:

The israelite universal alliance of paris france sent a scholar by the name of Joseph Halevi into Ethiopia in 1867, for the SOLE purpose of connecting with the beta jews.

But when he got there he found christians instead of practicing jews LOL!!

So he went to the Ethiopian elders to inquire about the falasha jews, and they had NO IDEA of what he was talkin' about. So he with the financial backing of the universal alliance of paris, began basically "creating" this beta jew faction in ethiopia.

Halevi thoroughly documents ALL of this in his memoirs!

In 1900 this same group (israelite universal alliance), sent a turkish rabbi by the name of Naheem Nahum, to investigate how well Halevi's efforts were in changing the culture from that of christianity to judaism.

His reports indicated that Halevi's efforts weren't very effective at all. So in 1913 they sent another guy by the name of Josh Falevic to correct this.

He stayed in Ethiopia doing this from 1913-55 (until his death).

Now here's where I need y'all to think family:

If our people in Ethiopia at that time, i.e. these "falashas" or "beta israel jews", were already jews in practice, then they would've ALREADY had their own synagogues and jewish teachings when these judeo-christian white folks arrived!

They wouldn't have saw a NEED to force upon them the so called "jewish" customs/teachings from the Old Testament, if they were already jews!

This forced tradition on our people in Ethiopia, is HOW this "black hebrew/israelite" nonsense came into our cognitive awareness!

I guarantee you that you won't EVER find ANY HISTORICAL EVIDENCE of ANY group of Afrikan/black people that ever called themselves "hebrews", "israelites", or "jews, PRIOR TO our contact with white folks and their judeo-christian literature!

Nor will you ever find any of our ancestors that ever called themselves by these terms in ANY of their "original language(s)" either!

That's how you know that the old: "we're (black folks) the original jews/hebrews/israelites" claim is total horse sh*t!

Religious mythology/tradition/beliefs won't ever give you this kinda information.

Only the researching of what HISTORY dictates will..
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
MÜNSTER, Germany -- Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany's first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn't like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.

So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.

Theology Without Muhammad
Read a translated excerpt from "Islamic Theology Without the Historic Muhammad -- Comments on the Challenges of the Historical-Critical Method for Islamic Thinking" by Professor Kalisch.

Muslims, not surprisingly, are outraged. Even Danish cartoonists who triggered global protests a couple of years ago didn't portray the Prophet as fictional. German police, worried about a violent backlash, told the professor to move his religious-studies center to more-secure premises.

"We had no idea he would have ideas like this," says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. "I'm a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I'm not a Muslim."

When Prof. Kalisch took up his theology chair four years ago, he was seen as proof that modern Western scholarship and Islamic ways can mingle -- and counter the influence of radical preachers in Germany. He was put in charge of a new program at Münster, one of Germany's oldest and most respected universities, to train teachers in state schools to teach Muslim pupils about their faith.

Muslim leaders cheered and joined an advisory board at his Center for Religious Studies. Politicians hailed the appointment as a sign of Germany's readiness to absorb some three million Muslims into mainstream society. But, says Andreas Pinkwart, a minister responsible for higher education in this north German region, "the results are disappointing."

Prof. Kalisch, who insists he's still a Muslim, says he knew he would get in trouble but wanted to subject Islam to the same scrutiny as Christianity and Judaism. German scholars of the 19th century, he notes, were among the first to raise questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible.

Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad's life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad's existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus.
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Dr. John Henrik Clarke - The Rise of Islam ''TELL THE TRUTH IN 2014 ''
http://youtu.be/_bcaixpLBgE
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Black Hebrews?
The very words cause many people to grin at what appears to be simply a play on words. No one reads about such people in european authored history books and there are only a few references to “Ethiopian Jews” in white Jewish sources. Yet Black Hebrews have existed since biblical times. In fact, they are the original or proto-typical Hebrews.

Their story begins with the Patriarch Abraham (2117-1942 B.C.), a native of the Sumerian city of Ur in ancient Mesopotamia. Archaeological discoveries have proven that the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia were members of the “Brown Race,” i.e., the Negroid branch of humanity.

It has been confirmed that the ancient Sumerians were akin to the modern Black Dravidians of India. The Sumerians also had an affinity with a people known as the Elamites, the very first Semitic group mentioned in the Bible (Gen. 10:22). The Elamites were a black-skinned and woolly-haired people as the colorful glazed artwork on the royal palace walls of the ancient Persian city of Susa clearly show.Thus Abraham, the native of Sumerian and the founding father of the Israelite nation, was a black man. The black racial origins of the Patriarchs is not based on mere conjecture, it is in completeagreement with the picture one gets from examining the identity of the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia.

This truth is grossly neglected, suppressed, and distorted in most European and American historical texts which are flavored with race prejudice. Fortunately, however, there are enough well authored and highly researched works by Black historians that challenge the Eurocentric revisions of history and correct the various erroneous views regarding the ethnic identity of the Hebrews.

Biblical history relates that the descendants of Abraham, namely Jacob (Israel) and his twelve sons and their wives, 70 in all, migrated from Canaan to Egypt around the year 1827 B.C. During their sojourn in Egypt the Children of Israel multiplied from being a family of 70 souls to a nation of over 3 million people at the time of the Exodus which took place in 1612 B.C.

This astounding number of people in so short a time can only be adequately explained by intermarriage between the family of Jacob and the native Egyptian populace. It is an established fact that the ancient Egyptians were a black African people. Thus, even if the Hebrews were not black before they arrived in Egypt, which is unlikely given Abraham’s background, they were definitely black by the time they left Egypt under Moses

The biblical Hebrews were indistinguishable from native Egyptians and Ethiopians. The Bible is full of examples which demonstrates this, and even ancient secular historians remarked of the physical appearances of the Hebrews. The historian Tacitus, for example, stated that it was a common opinion among the Romans that the Jews “were an Ethiopian race.” In Roman times PalestinianIsraelites were classed among Black Africans because it was almost impossible to tell them apart.

Hence, the Eurocentric notion of the Black Hebrew as a kind of Johnnie-come-lately in Hebraic history does not accord with the facts. On the contrary, the historical record is abundantly clear that the majority of white European Jewry are not Hebrews in the biological sense but are actually the descendants of converts to Judaism during Greco-Roman and Mediaeval times. Professor Roland B. Dixon states emphatically that: “The great majority of all Jews [Ashkenazi] to-day are ‘Semites’ only in speech, and their true ancestry goes back not so much to Palestine and Arabia as to the uplands of Anatolia and Armenia, the Caucasus and the steppes of Central Asia, and their nearest relatives are still to be found in these areas to-day” (Racial History Of Man, p. 175).

Caucasian Jews are not the lineal descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Nor do they constitute a separate race but rather a religious fraternity which adheres to the ethnic tradition of a people whose origins are inextricably linked to Black Africa.

But if the original Hebrews were black where are their descendants in the world today? Are all black people Hebrews? The answer to the latter question is obviously no. The Israelites were only one of several black people existing in ancient the ancient world. Nevertheless, it is certain that the ancient Hebrews customs and practices who’s legacy orginated in Africa, were adopted by that of white Jews in Europe. Very little is heard about the hundreds of thousands of Black Hebrews living in various parts of the world such as Africa, Asia, India, Arabia, the Caribbean islands, South America, and North America.

The history of Black Hebrews in North America is perhaps one of the most important chapters in US history which has yet to be fully written. The ancestors of African Americans came from West Africa during the era of slavery. That particular region of Africa was once home to a number of Black Hebrew tribes that migrated from North and East Africa over many centuries. In speaking of these migrations, Dr. Yoseph A. A. ben-Yochannan writes that: “In North Africa, just before the period of Christianity’s legal entry into Rome – due to Constantine “the Great” conversion in the 4th century – there were many Hebrew (Jewish) ‘tribes’ that are of indigenous African (the so-called ‘Negroes’) origin.

These African Jews, as all other Romanized-African of this era, were caught in a rebellion in Cyrene (Cyrenaica) during 115 C.E. against Roman imperialism and colonialism. This rebellion also marked the beginning of a mass Jewish migration southward into Soudan (Sudan or West Africa) along the way of the city Aer (Air) and into the countries of Futa Jalon and Senegal (Sene-Gambia) which lie below the parabolic curve of the Niger River’s most northern reaches, where the City of Tumbut (Timbuktu, Timbuctoo, etc.), Melle (Mali) presently stands.” (“African Origins of the Major Western Religions,” 1970, p. 76).

Dr. Ben goes on to relate that Black Israelite immigrants from northern and eastern Africa merged with indigenous groups in western Africa to become the Fulani of Futa Jalon, Bornu, Kamen, and Lake Chad. They also formed the parent-stock of groups such as the Ashanti, the Hausa, the B’nai Ephraim (mentioned in earlier posts), and the Bavumbu (Mavumbu or Ma-yomba). All of these groups suffered tremendous population decreases during the years the Atlantic slave trade was in operation, others were completely eliminated.

Thus, every so-called African American has Israelite ancestry in their family tree whether he or she knows it or not. Even in the very crucible of slavery the descendants of West African Hebrew captives in America struggled to keep their heritages from being obliterated by forced assimilation and acculturation. Their distinctive traditions became submerged in Christianity but always remained a part of the oral tradition via the so-called Negro Spirituals which praise the memory of ancestors and kinsmen like Moses, David, Joshua, and Daniel.

Since the African-American conviction of having Israelite ancestry antedates the Civil War it is not surprising that the earliest Black Hebrew congregation to be established in North America was founded in the 1880s in Chattanooga, Tennessee by F. S. Cherry (the group later moved to Philadelphia). Cherry was a railroad worker and seaman who was fluent in both Yiddish and Hebrew. He adamantly preached that so-called American Negroes are really the lost sheep of the House of Israel whose true legacy was stolen from them during slavery. He urged his hearers to investigate their history in order to rediscover this truth and reclaim their heritage.

In 1896, a man by the name of William S. Crowdy established another Hebrew congregation in Lawrence, Kansas. In 1899, Leon Richlieu established the Moorish Zionist Temple in Brooklyn. To date there are literally hundreds of uncharted Black Hebrew congregations in North America. They do not exist because of an aversion for mainstream American Protestantism or an attraction to white Jewish culture. As stated earlier, Black Hebrews have always been in the world; and they repudiate the notion that they are usurpers of the heritage of white Jews.

The great proliferation of Black Hebrew groups occurred after World War I during the Great Migration of Blacks from rural areas in the South to urban centers in the North. There were at least nine Black Hebrew congregations in New York in the early 1900s, one of which was founded by a West Indian named Arnold Josiah Ford called “Beth B’nai Abraham Congregation.” In 1918, another West Indian born Israelite named Wentworth Arthur Matthews founded the “Commandment Keepers,” and emerged as one of the leading Black Israelite rabbis in Harlem. Born in 1892 of African Hebraic parentage in Lagos, West Africa, Matthews moved with his family to St. Kitts in the West Indies before coming to America in 1911.

Branches of the “Commandment Keepers” exist in many American cities such as Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Cincinnati, Chicago, Ohio, Virginia, and New Jersey. In 1965, the “House of Judah” was founded by William Lewis in Wetumpka, Alabama. The group later purchased a twenty-acre tract near Grand Junction, Michigan where they practice a communal life-style. Black Hebrews feel that by reclaiming their Israelite identity they have also recovered an important part of their ancestral heritage. They hold to the conviction that their “Hebrewness” is directly traceable to their African forebears of Israelite extraction who were brought to this country during slavery. They are cognizant and proud of their non-Hebrew African heritages but like many other people with mixed backgrounds they opt to give certain of their forebears a more pronounced place in their identity.

Black Israelite groups in America are decentralized and varied in ideology.Unlike white Orthodox Jews, Black Hebrews reject the Talmud, a collection of commentaries, as being on a par with the Bible and so they do not conform to rabbinical judgments which emphasize the need of conversion to Talmudism in order to be considered “truly” Jewish.

Since the Bible recognizes patrilineal as well as matrilineal descent, Black Hebrews (like Reform Jews) do not place any special significance on having a “Jewish” mother as do Orthodox Jews. Another major reason why the Talmud is rejected is due to its role in creating the so-called Hamitic Myth which is the doctrine that teaches that all black-skinned people are the cursed descendants of Ham in the Bible.

It was the promulgation of this erroneous myth, passing under the guise of “Jewish” talmudic scholarship, which provided the moral pretext for European slavery of Africans. The Talmud was not the product of ethnic Hebrews but of proselytized Babylonian sages who worked on editing it from the 3rd to in the 6th century A.D. It should not be used as the litmus test on Hebrew identity, particularly since it was of men who were clearly prejudice of Blacks, Israelites or otherwise.

A major dilemma facing many Black Hebrews who wish to settle in Israel has to do with the Talmud and the fact that conversion is a mandatory prerequisite for gaining Israeli citizenship. The Black Jews from Ethiopian were not allowed to immigrate to Israel until they agreed to undergo a ceremonial conversion to white Judaism (which was tantamount to a denial of their own Hebrewness) and embrace the Talmud. However, many Ethiopian Jews, particular in the aftermath of the recent blood scandal in Israel, are seriously rethinking their decision to adopt the Talmud because it has not given them equal status with other white Israelis.

Ethiopians Jews occupy the bottom rung of Israeli society today because they are black and are not considered “true” Hebrews because of their blackness. American Black Hebrews wanting to join their Ethiopian brethren feel that the Israeli Law of Return is unjust because it forces recognition of a racist text (the Talmud) in order to be considered eligible for citizenship It is truly ironic that the descendants of the original Hebrews are not considered to be Hebrews even in their own land because they happen to look like their distant forebears.
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON

BLACK AFRICANS OF ANCIENT EGYPT WROTE THE HOLY BIBLE-AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS HIDING AND SUPPRESSING THIS TRUTH.

African Man and Woman: "And Ye Shall Know The Truth, and The Truth Shall Make You Free." Holy Bible-John 8 : 32. According to a Ghanaian writer and researcher based in the United States of America (USA), Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D., emphatically states this as fact in his book: 'The Africans Who Wrote The Bible-Ancient Secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told', Aduana Publishing Co., 2000, P.O. Box 2781, Russellville, AR. 72802, USA. " However, the worst lie and sin of the Church was the premeditated transformation of the racial and ethnic identities of Jesus Christ, his mother and the entire people of the Bible from black people they were to white people to satisfy emerging European racist sentiments against black people"(Nana Banchie Darkwah, ibid. introduction, page i).

First of all, for one to understand the truth of the above statement and accept it as a fact, that Black Africans of Ancient Egypt Wrote The Holy Bible, thus, one must dispel the erroneous notion and fabricated lies that Christian Europe, particularly the Catholic Church, have done in painting the Ancient Egyptians as pagans, heathens and devils. Also, one must understand that Christian Europe's and the Catholic Church's motives for attacking Ancient Egypt in such a negative vein, is due to the fact that Ancient Egyptian Priests were the Scribes who wrote what we have come to know today as the Holy Bible. Moreover, Ancient Egypt from its pre-dynastic period up to its Golden-Age of pyramid building was a an unadulterated predominately Black race of people (3500-2100 B.C.E.).

The descendants of these Ancient Egyptians are living throughout Sub-Saharan Africa, today, particularly in the nations of Ghana, Nigeria and Cote d'Ivoire. The very first "Bible" or "Scroll" on record produced by man, with regards to paying honour and divine respect to a "Creator of all Mankind" was that of African people of the Nile Valley and Great Lakes regions of Central, East and Northeast Africa. The Book was called by its African Creators and developers..."The Book of The Coming Forth By Day and Night." It was translated from its original hieroglyphic text into the English language by several Europeans since the latter part of the 19th Century A.D. The easiest one to read is called.."The" (Egyptian) "Book of the Dead." This work was translated by British Egyptologist Sir Ernest A. Wallis Budge, London, 1895 A.D. This Original Bible was produced by Black Africans approximately 3,400 years before the Old Testament, and more than 4,200 years before the New Testament, and countless Versions of it have been written and published (Dr. Ben Jochannan, A Chronology of the Bible-Challenge To The Standard Version, USA.).

-NKWA(ANKH)-

"This Ancient Egyptian cross is the earliest and most ancient sacred symbol of religion. Egyptologist that believe they have successfully deciphered Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics say it is called the ANKH, meaning LIFE. The meaning is correct, however, that is not what the Ancient Egyptians called it. The original Ancient Egyptian word that Egyptologists tried to decipher was NKWA. The language from which this word originated is Akan and it actually means LIFE. This symbol was the Ancient Egyptian sacred religious symbol that reinforced the cross on which Jesus was crucified, as a sacred Christian symbol. How did this happen? The early Christian Church of Ancient Egypt adopted the NKWA symbol as the symbol of their Church and called it Crux Ansata. From here, it was taken to Rome, and there it became a Christian symbol with only a slight variation in design. The symbol of NWKA below was excavated from the tomb of the Akan King Tutu Ankoma, the boy king of Ancient Egypt whose name Europeans have corrupted to Tutankhamun. He ruled from 1336-1327 B.C." (Nana Banchie Darkwah, Ph.D.). Picture of The NKWA (ANKH-CROSS) -Picture of Akan King Tutu Ankoma-Boy King of Ancient Egypt(Name Europeanized to Tutankhamun)- -Ethnic (Tribal) Groups and Intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt- Nana Darkwah (The Africans Who Wrote The Bible) says that the intelligentsia of Ancient Egypt was headed by such ethnic groups as the Akan, Ewe, Ga-Andangbe, Hausa and Ibo. However, he asserts that the Akan was the main ruling class in Ancient Egypt since the majority of Ancient Egyptian kings had Akan names. He gives an example of the Egyptian king of the fourth dynasty who built the Great Pyramid was "Akuffu" and not "Khuffu". Also, Nana Darkwah gives the correct Akan name of the younger son of Akuffu as "Dade Afre" and not "Djedefra", and his elder son was"Okyere Afre" and not "Chephren". He goes on to cite the western scholars incorrect naming of the Ancient Egyptian city Memphis. He says Memphis was an ancient African city and it is still a modern African city called Mamfe. He says Mamfe is located today in the eastern region of Ghana of the Akuapem people. "These are the people of Ancient Egyptian kings Akuffu, Dade Afre, and Okyere Afre and others" " (Nana Darkwah, The Africans Who Wrote the Bible, page xii). -Ga-Adangme In Ancient Egypt & Israel-

The history of Ancient Egypt also has numerous Ga-Adangme names, confirming that the Ga people were in Ancient Israel (Kanaan) and Ancient Egypt. Also, one can find Ga names amongst today's so-called Jewish people. "The most popular of the Ga-Adangme names used by today 's so-called Jewish people is the name of the former Prime Minister of Israel, called Netanyahu. This name was derived from the two Ga-Adangme names "Natey" and "Nyaho"-Neteynyaho" (Nana Darkwah, The Africans Who Wrote The Bible, page 31). -Ewe People In Ancient Times- Around 2700 B.C.E., the Ewe people were among the African ethnic groups that lived in the region of modern day Syria, stretching down to the estuary of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. In the book Civilization Before Greece and Rome, H.W. F. Saggs stated that Egyptian documents mentioned a major international power in north Syria called Kheta, and the cuneiform inscriptions knew of a land of Hatti linked to Carchemish on the Euphrates in north Syria. Hatti and Kheta were evidently the same name .(1989, page 10). Incidentally, the ancient name Carchemish on the Euphrates River in north Syria reveals that the Ga ethnic group lived in this region. The name Carchemish derives from the Ga language. It is derived from the Ga words Kaa Kee Mi-meaning do not tell me. Note: "Mi" in the Ga language is the same semantically and phonologically as the English word "M" (Nana Darkwah, The Africans Who Wrote The Bible, page 123). Now, the Ewe ethnic group. The international power that was in the region of north Syria was the Ewe people.

This fact can be discerned because they left their language. The words and names Hatti and Khetta are from the Ewe language. These are names that are still used by Ewe people, today. Ancient Kheta was a geographical location of a place of the Ewe people in North Syria. Today, the Ewe people have established a city named Keta located in the Volta Region of Ghana. The Ewe people were later in Ancient Egypt where they were also Kings and Priests along side the Akan and Ga-Adangme. "They were linked to the El Amarna Letters found in 1887 in modern Egypt. These letters are believed to have been the correspondence between Amenofe III (an Ewe name) and his son Akenten from 1370-1349 B.C. The name Amenophis is the Greek corruption of the modern Ewe name Amenofe (ending pronounced with an aspirant p)." "The Ewe people were therefore not only established in the region of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, they were also established in Ancient Egypt and their story was part of Ancient Egyptian history, literature, and folklore. It was from there that their story also became a part of the biblical story" (ibid. page 124).

"The early apostolic fathers of Christianity and the Church knew of many things that they did not want Christian masses to know about the background history, content and people of the Bible. As a result, the very design of Christianity was based upon protecting the Bible from the lay masses. Until the Reformation, therefore, the Bible was secretly guarded and its content was known to only a few in the Church. Because of the perceived need to protect the Bible from the masses, the earliest design and practice of Christianity was based upon placing a cadre of priests between the Bible and the people" (ibid. page i). -Aryan-Whites Know Well of The Black African Origin of Judaism & Christianity- The African origin of Christianity was common knowledge among western scholars and early apostolic fathers of the Church long before the European Renaissance. This was common knowledge known by Aryan-Whites in the past and is still known, today.

There have been numerous European scholars who have known and written about the falsehoods, fabrications and false assumptions in the foundation of Christianity. One such European-American researcher and writer was Gerald Massey, Volume 1 of 'The Natural Genesis: A Book of the Beginnings (1883). Massey called the story and practice of Christianity the legendary lying lore. In 'The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalistic Ideas in Europe, Leon Poliakov revealed that knowledge of the people of the Bible as Black people was common in Europe and in early European scholarship. James Cowles Prichard, by far the most popular anthropologist of the first half of the 19th century, elaborated around 1810 implying that Adam and Eve were Blacks (1996, page 211 see also Histoire Naturelle, pages 146-7, 151). In 1836, a knighted and renowned British orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higggins wrote 'The Anaclypsis, or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions. He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all the early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as his mother, are described in their old pictures to be black (peoples). The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes and drapery white , is himself perfectly black" (1836 page 7, see also Was Jesus Christ A Negro and The African Origin of the Myths and Legends of the Garden of Eden, page 14). -More Proof of Black Jesus and His Mother Mary- In 1875, Kersey Graves wrote a book entitled 'The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors'. Graves pointed out from clear evidence in Europe, that Jesus was Black and the people of the Bible were originally Black people. He wrote the following below:

There is as much evidence that the Christian Savior was a black man, or at least a dark man, as there is of his being the son of the Virgin Mary, or that he once lived And moved upon the earth. And that evidence is the testimony of his disciples, who had nearly as good an opportunity of knowing what his complexion was as the evangelists who omit to say anything about it..In the pictures and portraits of Christ by early Christians he is uniformly represented as being black (from The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, cited in Was Jesus Christ A Negro.reprinted in 1987 by Curtis Alexander, ed.) Note: Jesus (Christ) said before his execution by the Romans that "Whatsoever Is Bound On Earth Is Bound In Heaven-And St Peters Has The Keys To Heaven." The statue of St. Peters inside St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy is a Black man. St. Peters was a Black man. Thus, Jesus' last words before his execution was that a Black man has the keys to Heaven. This statement implied that all humanity must come through the Black race to enter Heaven. A similar statement was said by the Muslim Prophet Mohamed. Mohamed saw the feet of Bilal enter Heaven before himself. In Islamic teachings, Bilal was a Black Ethiopian slave before being liberated and subsequently becoming one of the 'first' converts to the Islamic faith. . -European Hatred of Jews And Blacks-Deeply Rooted In Religious Jealousy- Historically, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black African origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe.

Due to the negative anthropological ideas and theories of early European scholars against Black Africans, thus, the knowledge and reality that Judaeo-Christian foundations of Europe actually originated from African theosophy and philosophy, has surely been a major source of social-political embarrassment for Europeans. The racist and extremist Europeans had always seen the so-called Jewish people with suspicion and contempt vis-à-vis their same contempt and ill-feelings they had towards Sub-Saharan Africans. That is to say, historically, the Europeans had no genesis of religion to claim as their own, other than what came up 'out of Africa', Christianity, which was brought to them by the so-called Jews. This fact has left the European (Aryan-Whites) with bitterness, enmity and jealousy against the so-called Jewish peoples and Africans.

Also, this fomented ill feelings among Europeans that the so-called Jewish people had deliberately deceived them so that the Jews would dominate Europe. "This is also the reason no credible reason has been given for the most atrocious massacre of blacks and Jews in human history" (Nana Darkwah, ibid. page 23). Finally, one must know that Aryan-White (European and American) tradition, Apostolic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500 years, trying to disconnect Black Africans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt. In essence, what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by 'high-jacking' Ancient Egypt: The strategy has been to kill the "Messenger" (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the "Message" of the messenger for themselves (the Holy Bible text). It is important to know that Western curiosity and interest in Ancient Egypt, wanting it to be recognized at its genesis as an Aryan-White or Asian Civilization, thus induced Western scholarship to create the discipline science called Egyptology.

The Aryan-White race's main objective in establishing Egyptolgy is to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, and give the world a counterfeit analysis of this Great Civilization as being a creation of the Aryan-White race. However, the late Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese), who was a Physicist-Scientist, Egyptologist, Palaeo-anthropologist and World Historian, eloquently sums up the essence of the Aryan-White race's futile attempts to 'white-wash' Ancient Egypt. Diop: "Mankind trying to destroy the Black African genesis of Ancient Egypt, is like trying to drown a fish in the vast ocean!" BY THE MASTER TEACHER H.M. MAULANA.

Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:33PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The Book of The Coming Forth By Day and Night.
http://il.paganfederation.org/files/2013/0...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The very first "Bible" or "Scroll" on record produced by man, with regards to paying honour and divine respect to a "Creator of all Mankind" was that of African people of the Nile Valley and Great Lakes regions of Central, East and Northeast Africa. The Book was called by its African Creators and developers..."The Book of The Coming Forth By Day and Night." It was translated from its original hieroglyphic text into the English language by several Europeans since the latter part of the 19th Century A.D. The easiest one to read is called.."The" (Egyptian) "Book of the Dead." This work was translated by British Egyptologist Sir Ernest A. Wallis Budge, London, 1895 A.D. This Original Bible was produced by Black Africans approximately 3,400 years before the Old Testament, and more than 4,200 years before the New Testament, and countless Versions of it have been written and published (Dr. Ben Jochannan, A Chronology of the Bible-Challenge To The Standard Version, USA.).

http://il.paganfederation.org/files/2013/0...
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
European-American researcher and writer was Gerald Massey, Volume 1 of 'The Natural Genesis: A Book of the Beginnings (1883). Massey called the story and practice of Christianity the legendary lying lore. In 'The Aryan Myth: A History of Racist and Nationalistic Ideas in Europe, Leon Poliakov revealed that knowledge of the people of the Bible as Black people was common in Europe and in early European scholarship. James Cowles Prichard, by far the most popular anthropologist of the first half of the 19th century, elaborated around 1810 implying that Adam and Eve were Blacks (1996, page 211 see also Histoire Naturelle, pages 146-7, 151). In 1836, a knighted and renowned British orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higggins wrote 'The Anaclypsis, or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions. He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all the early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as his mother, are described in their old pictures to be black (peoples)
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:34PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Sir Godfrey Higggins wrote 'The Anaclypsis, or an inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations, and Religions. He pointed out that the people of the Bible were Black and that in all the early Catholic Churches of Europe: "the God Christ, as well as his mother, are described in their old pictures to be black (peoples). The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes and drapery white , is himself perfectly black" (1836 page 7, see also Was Jesus Christ A Negro and The African Origin of the Myths and Legends of the Garden of Eden, page 14). -More Proof of Black Jesus and His Mother Mary- In 1875, Kersey Graves wrote a book entitled 'The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors'. Graves pointed out from clear evidence in Europe, that Jesus was Black and the people of the Bible were originally Black people.
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
n the pictures and portraits of Christ by early Christians he is uniformly represented as being black (from The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, cited in Was Jesus Christ A Negro.reprinted in 1987 by Curtis Alexander, ed.) Note: Jesus (Christ) said before his execution by the Romans that "Whatsoever Is Bound On Earth Is Bound In Heaven-And St Peters Has The Keys To Heaven." The statue of St. Peters inside St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy is a Black man. St. Peters was a Black man. Thus, Jesus' last words before his execution was that a Black man has the keys to HeavenThis statement implied that all humanity must come through the Black race to enter Heaven. A similar statement was said by the Muslim Prophet Mohamed. Mohamed saw the feet of Bilal enter Heaven before himself. In Islamic teachings, Bilal was a Black Ethiopian slave before being liberated and subsequently becoming one of the 'first' converts to the Islamic faith. . -European Hatred of Jews And Blacks-Deeply Rooted In Religious Jealousy- Historically, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black African origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe. This statement implied that all humanity must come through the Black race to enter Heaven. A similar statement was said by the Muslim Prophet Mohamed. Mohamed saw the feet of Bilal enter Heaven before himself. In Islamic teachings, Bilal was a Black Ethiopian slave before being liberated and subsequently becoming one of the 'first' converts to the Islamic faith. . -European Hatred of Jews And Blacks-Deeply Rooted In Religious Jealousy- Historically, the aristocracy of Europe has always shown hatred against the so-called Jewish people, since it was well known in their socio-political and economic circles that these people were of a Black African origin, who migrated out of Ancient Egypt up into Europe.
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON
one must know that Aryan-White (European and American) tradition, Apostolic fathers of the Church, theosophical teachings and writings, as well as the Arabs, have all laboured over the past 500 years, trying to disconnect Black Africans from Ancient Egypt, in order to hide the true identity of the original authors of the Bible and the origin from whence the Bible originated, which was Ancient Egypt. In essence, what the Aryan-White race has attempted to do by 'high-jacking' Ancient Egypt: The strategy has been to kill the "Messenger" (Black Ancient Egyptians), but save and embrace the "Message" of the messenger for themselves (the Holy Bible text). It is important to know that Western curiosity and interest in Ancient Egypt, wanting it to be recognized at its genesis as an Aryan-White or Asian Civilization, thus induced Western scholarship to create the discipline science called Egyptology.
Monday, January 13th 2014 at 7:35PM
DAVID JOHNSON

after 81 Deletions

So you FINALLY after 46000 hits and 3 1/2 YEARS you OPEN this Title to a MUSLIM...

WOW how generous of a Christian psuedoPharoahNIC to USE ISLAAM in the TITLE yet NOT allow a Muslim to comment

your IDEA of STUDY of religion at the highest level FINALLY unBLOCKED the comments of one small Muslim Writer

I graciously say thankYou

mr. THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR

YOUR SUBJECT on misconceptions and stereotypes---your Question?

1400's or700 AD
what was the religion of Africa before slavery ? ----- from 700-1492 the Religion of Spain, n/wAfrica was AlIslaam

when the Europeans came to Africa Was slavery a religious issue? ------- YES

Did Christianity support slavery? --- YES

What year did slavery start? ------ columbus brought slaves in 1492 to AMERICA

What were the historical roots of African-American slavery? ---- Columbus coming to America

i know you will delete History,Scholarship and Science and my attempt at IntelligenceThought --- Ok---- you have til now

we understand that you have PUT the KING in front of your Name- --- OK

yet you use INACCURATELY your references to AlIslaam and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) -- so you are NO king of Intelligence, to me

1. YOUR most GLARING misconception and statement is to equate the slaverAmericana 1492-1864 paganChristian concept with the Spoils of preEmpted War against the Muslims

2. Muslims do not have OR ever has a slaverAmericana 1492-1864 system where kidnapping, torture, pedophilia and sale of ones' offspring for the same are practised --- this is an ONLY in n/sAMerica concept..................

3. BIA is a wwwebSite for African American men/women and Families not a 'black'Site

4. 'black' --- a paganChristian classification of the African, africanEuropean mix, africanNative mix, africanArab mix, etc. mix ONLY

5. AlIslaam does not designate the Family of Adaam(as) as a FALSE color.............


Thursday, January 2nd 2014 at 9:18PM
powell robert | delete




Friday, January 17th 2014 at 9:10AM
powell robert
A fool will go around saying they know everything with no proof leave that fool alone get with some people that want to prove what thy say is real so you can have the records of facts true or false but never ever allow a fool to convince you of anything without proof !
never argue with a fool because from a distance you cant tell who is who !!!

Where did the Islamic writings come from ?? THE Koran is not written in Arabic ? SCHOLARSHIP INFORMATION Lets shed light on a few things some say the Koran means ''recite'', not true,the word Koran means '' pentateuchal reader ,,WHEN YOU go to where the word originally came from (Syriac) that is what Koran means......

ok lets see what im getting at ..because I want you to get all im about to say
The Nabataean alphabet is a consonantal alphabet (abjad) that was used by the Nabataeans in the 2nd century BC.[1] Important inscriptions are found in Petra, Jordan. The alphabet is descended from the Aramaic alphabet via the Syriac alphabet. A cursive form of it in turn developed into the Arabic alphabet from the 4th century,[1] which is why its letter forms are intermediate between the more northerly Semitic scripts such as the Arabic.

notice what im talking about ,,,,,see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_alp...

Type Abjad
Languages Nabataean language
Time period 2nd century BC to 4th century AD
Parent systems
Proto-Sinaitic alphabet
Phoenician alphabet
Aramaic alphabet
Syriac alphabet
Nabataean
Child systems Arabic alphabet

NOTICE Parent systems,,,,Syriac alphabet

Child systems Arabic alphabet

THIS PROVES THAT ARABIC alphabet COMES FROM Syriac alphabet

Syriac or Syrian Christianity (Syriac: ܡܫܝܚܝܘܬܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܬܐ / mšiḥāiūṯā suryāiṯā), the Syriac-speaking Christians of Mesopotamia, comprises multiple Christian traditions of Eastern Christianity.

This article is about the Classical Syriac language. For contemporary "Syriac" dialects, see Northeastern Neo-Aramaic. For other uses, see Syriac this is where Arabic comes from !(disambiguation).
Syriac
ܠܫܢܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ Leššānā Suryāyā
Syriac - Estrangelo Nisibin Calligraphy.png
Leššānā Suryāyā in written Syriac (Esṭrangelā script)
Pronunciation /lɛʃʃɑːnɑː surjɑːjɑː/
Native to Mesopotamia, Aram, Roman Syria
Ethnicity Assyrian
Extinct Disappeared as a vernacular language after the 14th century.[1]
Language family
Afro-Asiatic
Semitic
Central Semitic
Northwest Semitic
Aramaic
Eastern Aramaic
Syriac
Writing system Syriac abjad
Language codes
ISO 639-2 syc
ISO 639-3 syc
SEE THE WRITINGS IS HEBREW AND CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE the vehicle of Syriac Christianity and culture, spreading throughout Asia as far as the Indian Malabar Coast and Eastern China,[4] and was the medium of communication and cultural dissemination for Arabs and, to a lesser extent, Persians. Primarily a Christian medium of expression, Syriac had a fundamental cultural and literary influence on the development of Arabic,[5] which largely replaced it towards the 14th century.[1] Syriac remains the liturgical language of Syriac Christianity.
Syriac is a Middle Aramaic language, and, as such, it is a language of the Northwestern branch of the Semitic family. It is written in the Syriac alphabet, a derivation of the Aramaic alphabet.

This is all christian nation at the time the Koran was written
the writers where Jews and Christians look at the geographical location they where in a christian nation
Syriac (ܠܫܢܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ leššānā Suryāyā) is a dialect of Middle Aramaic that was once spoken across much of the Fertile Crescent. Having first appeared as a script in the 1st century AD after being spoken as an unwritten language for five centuries,[2] Classical Syriac became a major literary language throughout the Middle East from the 4th to the 8th centuries,[3] the classical language of Edessa, preserved in a large body of Syriac literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_langua...

WHO WROTE THE KORAN THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_th...
History of the Arabic alphabet

Syriac language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_langua...

Sureth dictionary
http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/cuneiform.la...

Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:43AM
DAVID JOHNSON
robert until you can refute my the scholarship information I just posted for the sake of maintaining an orderly and comprehensible blog... I will be deleting all incomprehensible diatribe, be it from the pro biblical side or the antiIslam I've a zero tolerance policy for poor performance on my blogs.
You say something on this post without documenting it... consider it automatically d.e.l.e.t.e.d.. I've no interest in your ''opinions' as I have offered none of my own. I am here merely to expose others to what the historical record says by referencing the documented evidence and authoritative scholarly consensus....

Robert Powell I've equally deleted your posts. I don't suffer nonsensical jibberish on my posts. People have to read through all of that to get to the good stuff and it's unfair to them. There are numerous posts on this site I'm sure that such nonsensical jibberish would be welcomed, this however is not one of them. If you're going to post here then please make your posts intelligible to people other than yourself.
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:49AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Brother David, of course you know this material is indeed a book for the present and future of Our Children, Their Children, All of the Adults, and so-called masters of the world... This material would serve as a masterful correction and reprimand to those who have corrupted the correct history of the world! In it's current pristine state, it's damn near perfect!

I've been wondering and waiting for someone to mention the Black Movie of Jahshua / Jesus, "The Color of The Cross" released more than a few years back. Has anyone seen it? If so, what's your opinion of it? If you haven't seen it, please do - I would encourage everyone and anyone to view it...you'll probably have another appreciation of the Savior's life story as well as becoming a better person too. David, the flick is in direct tandem with this blog posting and your analogy as well.

Congratulations on a job well done...

SANKOFA

Peace and Love,

Greg.
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Friday, January 17th 2014 at 11:26AM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
yes brother GREG now you see the vision ,this is why I am so protective of this information and will not allow fighting and jibberish that Harry and Robert bring to the table Its good to see you really understand where im going with this
thanks 100 !
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 11:33AM
DAVID JOHNSON
GREG , my wife is trying to get the right to black wall street ,madam Cj walker ,.

Friday, January 17th 2014 at 11:42AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THIS PROVES THAT ARABIC alphabet COMES FROM Syriac alphabet

qryn is the spelling of the Koran in its original text

now look at this

look at this Syriac Orthodox Church,,,The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch (ܥܕܬܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܬܐ ܬܪܝܨܬ ܫܘܒܚܐ‎) is an autocephalous Oriental Orthodox church based in the Eastern Mediterranean, with members spread throughout the world.

The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch claims the status as the most ancient Christian church in the world. this prove that when you speaking Syriac your speaking the christian langue, Christians (as well as the few remaining Jews in the country) engage in every aspect of Syrian life. this proves the Koran was written by Christians and Jews !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthod...


Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
between the 1st and 7th C.E Syriac Christianity was the language for the Arabs look at the word this Syriac Orthodox Church used for GOD

now look at the Syriac Orthodox clergy and some devout laity follow a regimen of seven prayers a day
Evening or Ramsho prayer (Vespers)
Night prayer or Sootoro prayer (Compline)
Midnight or Lilyo prayer (Matins)
Morning or Saphro prayer (Prime or Lauds, 6 a.m.)
Third Hour or tloth sho`in prayer (Terce, 9 a.m.)
Sixth Hour or sheth sho`in prayer (s*xt, noon)
Ninth Hour or tsha` sho'in prayer (None, 3 p.m.)

dont this look like the same as Islam the mane of the GOD the Syriac Orthodox Church worshiped was called ala,,ha /a la ha thats GOD in the christian language not Arabic this shows how ALLAH got in the Koran it came from the Syriac Orthodox Church the oldest church in the world !
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Type Abjad
Languages Nabataean language
Time period 2nd century BC to 4th century AD
Parent systems
Proto-Sinaitic alphabet
Phoenician alphabet
Aramaic alphabet
Syriac alphabet
Nabataean
Child systems Arabic alphabet

NOTICE Parent systems,,,,Syriac alphabet

Child systems Arabic alphabet
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
at this time Arabic was not even a language the universal language was Aramaic not Arabic in order to do business you had to speak Aramaic and the grate grand father language was Nabataean language Time period 2nd century BC to 4th century AD
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:54PM
DAVID JOHNSON
http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/cuneiform.la...
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
the origins of the Quran have an ASTOUNDING lack of verifiable biographical material. until now you see the truth before your eyes
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
most of the biographical information we have about Mohammed doesnt come from the Quran but from texts written fully two centuries after Mohammeds death. Its not until the ninth century that Muslim writers claim that the Quran contains the revelations given to Mohammed. The year 622-which Muslims mark as the year Mohammed and his followers made the Hijira, a fateful journey from Mecca to Medina-was not originally connected with Mohammed at all. Before there is any record of Muslims dating time from the Hijra, Arabic Christians dated the beginning of the Arabic era to 622, when they gained independence from Persias Sassanian empire.
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:56PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I was reading other early Islamic texts that support the notion that Islam emerged not as a new religion but as a novel development within a Syriac Christian milieu. In his contribution to Hidden Origins, Luxenberg applies his method to the inscription on the Dome of the Rock, which seems to contain a straightforward Islamic confession: “There is no god but God alone . . . Mohammed the servant of God and messenger.” Luxenberg points out that Mohammed, usually understood as a proper name, means “exalted be” or “praised be,” and also notes that Syriac Christians, who were skeptical of the Nicene doctrine of Jesus divine sonship, preferred Isaiahs title “Servant” for Jesus. He contends that the inscription should read: “There is no god but God alone . . . Praised be the servant of God and his messenger.” This makes better sense of the sequel, which explicitly identifies “Messiah Jesus, son of Mary” as “the messenger of God and his Word.” An inscription about Jesus was later reinterpreted as a confession of a different faith entirely.
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:57PM
DAVID JOHNSON
When the Quran is placed in the context of Syrian Christianity and the debates over Arian, Nestorian, and Monophysite Christology that wracked eastern Christianity in these centuries, its debt to Christianity becomes plausible. The Quran includes passages, for example, that reflect Syrian attacks on Monophysite Christology. Ohlig claims in his concluding essay to Hidden Origins that “most of the theological statements in the Quran-for example, the conception of God, Christology, and eschatology-arose from Syrian traditions of Christianity.”
Friday, January 17th 2014 at 10:58PM
DAVID JOHNSON
I admit that I only read to Oct 27th 2010, where Christine Governor returns after dinner. I realize that the Black race refuses to believe that they were captured and made slaves in the name of Jesus. The mind controlling methods that makes man love the process of slavery(smile). The fact that the first slave ship was called the "The Good ship Jesus" proves that man turned Jesus into a kidnapper. David you can delete this statement after reading it.(smile)
Sunday, January 19th 2014 at 2:12AM
Helen Lofton
Helen this blog offer a lot of scholarship information it would take years to follow ,,im protecting this post from people trying to derail it with information that is not verifiable every one has a opinion and i respect that but here ,,right here is where i draw the line when someone cant verify what they write like if you tell me Jesus was a Muslim and you dont have any proof then it is not worthy to be in the mist of all this scholarship anything on this page you can go to the links and trace back to the records this is recorded for the youth to one day read it in a book or see it in a movie !
Sunday, January 19th 2014 at 2:38PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Congrats on all of the comments.
Monday, March 3rd 2014 at 8:40PM
Will Moss
Thank you brother I plan on pining this info into a book soon !
Tuesday, March 4th 2014 at 4:13AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Yo David! This is Glorious! To have back all the really good stuff that we have all cherished and deeply needed!

Now, I wonder how long it will take for the disrespect to settle in once again...I hope NEVER! The removal of one of our greatest resources should teach us one and all about RESPECT and the RESPECT OF and FOR OTHERS, here on BIA and elsewhere. I would hope that all the negative postings and vulgar ramblings have all departed from BIA... We can all agree to disagree while remaining friends and LOVING BLACK PEOPLE who simply have something to say.

I hope this has proven to be A GREAT AND VALUABLE LESSON - Humility and Subtlety...Big Brother is Watching!

Congratulation to US ONE AND ALL!

Peace and Love,

Greg.
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Tuesday, March 4th 2014 at 11:25AM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
Greg ,I sent Mr. Moss a email asking about the comments and if there a way for them to return I am glad we can now look and reflect back on the history of this site ,I have always tried to post information that is built for the up lifting of our people and avoid negativity but I will not sit by and watch a attack on our sisters and myself, I am not built that way .Other then that I am all for peace !
Wednesday, March 5th 2014 at 8:46AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The pick that struck the Rosetta Stone in the loamy soil of the Nile delta in 1796 also struck a
mighty blow at historical Christianity. For it released the voice of a long-voiceless past to refute
nearly every one of Christianity’s historical claims with a withering negative. The cryptic
literature of old Egypt, sealed in silence when Christianity took its rise, but haunting it like a
taunting specter after the third century, now stalks forth like a living ghost out of the tomb to
point its long finger of accusation at a faith that has too long thriven on falsity. For that literature
now rises out of oblivion to proclaim the true source of every doctrine of Christianity as
Egyptian, the product and heritage of a remote past. The translation of the Egyptian Book of the
Dead, the Pyramid Texts, and the Book of Thoth lays on the table the irrefutable data which show
that, far from being the first gleam of true light in a world previously benighted in heathenism,
Christianity was but a poor and crippled orphan, appearing--after the third century--without
evidence of its true parentage and sadly belying in its outward form the semblance of its real
ancestral lineage. The books of old Egypt now unroll the sagas of wisdom which announce the
inexorable truth that not a single doctrine, rite, tenet or usage in Christianity was a new
contribution to world religion, but that every article and practice of that faith was a disfigured
copy of ancient Egyptian systematism. Christianity, it proclaims, not only did not register a
single advance in any line of wisdom or truth, but deplorably vitiated and disfigured the beautiful
structure of religion which it ignorantly adopted and so wretchedly purveyed as its own alleged
new creation. The shadow that pursued the faith with the semblance of outward similarity for
sixteen centuries, now resolves into the substance of veridical proof of original identity. The
entire body of Christian doctrinism is now seen to be nothing but revamped and terribly
mutilated Egyptianism. Through the chance stroke of a trench-digger’s pick Christianity is
brought to book to face its Nemesis. The heathen parentage that it strove so desperately to deny
and the marks of which it so sedulously endeavored to obliterate in the early centuries now

Wednesday, March 12th 2014 at 7:17PM
DAVID JOHNSON
rises from the dead past to charge its ungenerous offspring with faithlessness and deceit. And
Christianity, as Edward Carpenter so frankly asserts, must now acknowledge its parentage in a
pagan past or, failing to do so, must perish.
The entire Christian Bible, creation legend, descent into and exodus from "Egypt," ark and flood
allegory, Israelite "history," Hebrew prophecy and poetry, Gospels, Epistles and Revelation
imagery, all are now proven to have been the transmission of ancient Egypt’s scrolls and papyri
into the hands of later generations which knew neither their true origin nor their fathomless
meaning. Long after Egypt’s voice, expressed through the inscribed hieroglyphics, was hushed in
silence, the perpetuated relics of Hamitic wisdom, with their cryptic message utterly lost, were
brought forth and presented to the world by parties of ignorant zealots as a new body of truth.
The only new thing about it was the pitiable exegesis that inspired and accompanied the
reissuance. But the sheer fact that even amid the murks of ignorance and superstition the mere
ghost, shell, husk and shadow of Egypt’s wisdom inspired religious piety to extremes of faith
and zealotry is singular attestation of its original power and majesty. Only by acknowledging and
regaining its parenthood in that sublime pagan source will Christianity rise at last to its true
nobility and splendor.
Wednesday, March 12th 2014 at 7:18PM
DAVID JOHNSON
There can be no question of this necessity on its part. Almost alone one significant item enforces
it. From the scrolls of papyri five thousand to ten thousand years old there comes stalking forth
to view the whole story of an Egyptian Jesus raising from the dead an Egyptian Lazarus at an
Egyptian Bethany, with two Egyptian Maries present, the non-historical prototype of the incident
related (only) in John’s Gospel. From the walls of the temple of Luxor, carved there at a date at
least 1700 years B.C., there faces Christianity a group of four scenes that spell the non-historicity
of four episodes purveyed as history in the Gospel’s recital of the Christ nativity: the angel’s
pronouncement to the shepherds tending their flocks by night in the fields; the annunciation of
the angel to the virgin; the adoration of the infant by three Magi; and the nativity scene itself.
Egypt had used the symbol of a star rising in the east as the portent of coming deity for millennia
anterior to the Christian era. Egypt had knelt at the shrine of the Madonna and child, Isis and
Horus, for long centuries before a historical Mary lifted a historical Jesus in her arms. Egypt had
from remote times
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adored a Christ who had raised the dead and healed the lame, halt, blind, paralytic, leprous and
all afflicted, who had restored speech to the dumb, exorcized demons from the possessed,
dispersed his enemies with a word or look, wrestled with his Satan adversary, overcome all
temptation and performed the works of his heavenly Father to the victorious end. Egypt had long
known a Jesus, Iusa, who had been born amid celestial portents of an immaculate parenthood,
circumcised, baptized, tempted, glorified on the mount, persecuted, arrested, tried, condemned,
crucified, buried, resurrected and elevated to heaven. Egypt had listened to the Sermon on the
Mount and the Sayings of Iusa for ages. Egypt had known a Jesus who long antedated the Gospel
Messiah and who presents to the student some one hundred and eighty items of identity,
similarity and correspondence in word, deed and function with his later copy.
But Egypt’s Christ was not a living person. It would have been equally fatal to Christianity if he
had been. But the fact of his non-historicity rises now out of the past that Christianity thought it
had sealed in oblivion forever, to strike the death-knell of a false and spurious religion. The
Gospels’ "life" of Jesus turns out to be nothing but the garbled and fragmentary copy of an
Egyptian prototype who never lived, but was a purely typal dramatic figure, portraying the
divinity in man. With this one revelation of lost truth the structure of historical Christianity
topples to the ground. It must be replaced by a purely spiritual Christianity. In the splendid light
of ancient Egypt Occidental religion can now find its way from Medieval darkness to sunlit truth.
The Dark Ages can be brought to their dismal end at last.
The ineptitude of scholarly acumen in the face of the mountainous evidence supplied by the
study of comparative religion, especially since the recovery of Chaldean and Egyptian
antiquities, surpasses all belief and flouts all conscience. It has been exhibited on so colossal a
scale, with consequences of the direst nature, that the question whether ignorance or deliberate

chicanery engineered the total suppression of truth that has glared its overwhelming obviousness
in the face of studentship, inevitably rises to the foreground of thought. It must be assumed that
both ignorance and disingenuousness combined to produce the catastrophic result. A thousand
big and little items of comparative religion, many of them sufficient in their single weight to
clinch decisive determinations fatal to Christian claims, conspire to erect a positively
impregnable fortress of proof of Christian errancy. This mass of data has been blithely ignored,
brazenly flouted, or damned with slighting notice, by the ecclesiastical regime which would lose
its easy hold on the masses by honest recognition of the truth.
The lesson of European Renaissance history has not been assimilated in its full import. Christian
Europe, groping in early Medieval darkness for centuries following the violent extinction of
Platonic Academies and schools of esoteric philosophy and religion, regained a portion of the
lost light in the fourteenth century when re-established contact with Greek literature brought to
light the long-buried works of classic Hellenic wisdom. This recouping of cultural status went far
to illuminate the night of Christian gloom. But it can be seen now that it did not go far or deep
enough to effect a complete restoration of the full glory of ancient intellectual brilliance. Greece
had much to offer to a Europe blinded by theological obscurantism. But its gift was a secondary
and derived product, not the original and genuine treasure. That had been lost in the silence of
Egypt’s desert expanses. Now, in the fullness of time, the Occident is destined to enjoy its final
Renaissance to the full heritage of ancient culture. Once again Christian Europe will experience a
"Revival of Learning," as the lingering smudge of Medieval obfuscation is wafted away by the
pure breath of a recovered Eastern civilization. This time it is Egypt, whose hidden wisdom is
released by the finding of the Rosetta Stone, that will enlighten the last areas of Medieval
nescience.

Wednesday, March 12th 2014 at 7:20PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The primary truth of human culture which is presented by all sage religions of antiquity is the
fact that there resides deeply embedded in the core of man’s constitution a nucleus of what, for
want of a better designation, must be called a divine spark or sun. The glow of Christliness--a
thing at once both chemically radio-active and intellectual--in us is indeed the hope of our glory.
Modern science, through the work of Dr. George W. Crile, late head of the Cleveland Medical
laboratories, has rediscovered what the ancient sages were familiar with--the radiant SUN in
man. "Every man," proclaimed the ancients and the Medieval "Fire Philosophers," "has a little
SUN within his own breast."" This sun is the Christ in man a nucleus of fiery divine spirit
energy. All the Christs in antiquity were denominated "Sun-
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Gods." The names of nearly all of them are the immediate words for the sun, or epithets
appropriate to the solar orb. "All things are the products of one primordial Fire," assert the
Chaldean Oracles. Life nucleates glowing centers of this fire throughout the universe in the
radiant cells of its physical body, which are the suns. Every creature that his life shares a portion
of this pervasive fire, which is the rock of its hope for evolution to its greater glory. St. Paul
avers that Christ--in man--is the Rock. And so ancient drama represented the Christ figure
himself as saying to Peter, whose name means "Rock" in Greek, "Thou art Peter and on this
Rock will I build my church." There is no other enduring Rock in man’s life on which the
assembly of deified mortals--the church--could be founded. And obviously the community of
Christified beings could not be established on any spiritual Rock external to man’s own
immanent subjectivity.
Wednesday, March 12th 2014 at 7:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The rock of human culture thus being established as a fiery power within man’s own breast,
Christianity becomes chargeable with the most opprobrious of all possible accusations. It can be
indicted for the crime of being the only religion that in large measure destroyed the force of
man’s inspiration and incentive to cultivate this divine solar light within his own bosom. It did
this by diverting the direction of its followers’ effort from the inner self-culture of a purely
subjective consciousness to the worship of the Christ as embodied in one man in history. Granted
that there is a powerful and effective psychology in the adoration of an ideal model of perfection,
the main issue here involved can never be dodged. No matter how emotionally, how fanatically
the worshipper pours out adoration to a person in objective life, the work of his own evolution is
not accomplished until he effectuates the ultimate divinization of the nuclear potentiality of
deific fire within his own self-controlled area of consciousness.
The balanced forces of human uplift would be thrown into immediate chaos if it were in the end
possible for a man to achieve his apotheosization vicariously, or in any other way than through
his own effort. By virtue of the fact that man was provided from the start with the presence of a
unit of divine fire within the heart of his conscious being, he was adequately equipped to fight
his own way to the goal of glory. The only treason of which religious devotion could become
capable was the setting up of a fetish outside the life of consciousness, which would divert a
single iota of resolute will from the culture of the resident deity. Christianity is the only religion in the civilized world that has
perpetuated this treason. The point is inexorably established by logical thought as well as
demonstrated by the historical sequel. The matter is beyond debate. By so much as the exaltation
of a personal Jesus has beguiled human devotion away from the inner direction in the
individual’s task of perfecting his own innate divinity, by precisely that much has the outer
presentation weakened the strength of mortal struggle to the light. It is psychological, but it is
mathematically measurable. The amount measured is the item that ends all argument. If the
worship of a Judean carpenter has taken any time and absorbed any psychic effort that could
have been expended in the culture of divine graciousness within the heart of humanity, it has by
so much held back the evolution of the race.
Christianity has taught its adherents, so to say, to play around the fringes of the cultural problem
instead of bearing with all their psychic force directly upon its heart. It has hypnotized their
devotional mentality under the spell of a promise of vicariousness which is itself subtly
conducive to the weakening of the native nobility of man’s true selfhood. It has made of its
millions--what Nietzsche so thoroughly detested--groveling beggars, reveling in the turpitude of
sin-confession and praying for God to have mercy on their unworthiness. It has made them
wretches pleading piteously to be saved. How it has ever been assumed that a God of good sense
would enjoy seeing his creatures, whom he has himself divinely endowed with a portion of his
own Mind, writhing in worm-of-the-dust sycophancy at his feet, is beyond rational
understanding. It is naturally to be presumed that he would take far greater delight in seeing them
standing up in the might of their incipient divinity and making a fight of it. The morbid cast of
mentation generated in millions of Christians over sixteen centuries by the doctrinal falsification
of the esoteric meaning of "sin" is perhaps the most lamentable spectacle presented to the world
in all time. That a religion could so far lose touch with sober sanity as to expect that it could
exalt and edify man’s spirit by grinding it down into the dust is evidence at once of its complete
divagation from basic sound truth.
It is a grave question whether the ecclesiastical system and movement known as Christianity has
any right to its name. So far from being the cult that brought in a true Christ-worship for the first
time in "heathen" darkness, it was indeed--after the third century--the one system that destroyed such
a true worship. Ancient cults bent all effort upon the cultivation of the god within man. This is
the nucleus of the only true Christianity. In its genuine sense there has been no Christianity in the
Occident since that fatal third century. Historical Christianity has substituted a personal fetish for
the real Christos, the inner Fire of Love. No matter how appealing the figure substituted, it never
can do the work of actual soul culture. And history has sealed this verdict. It is almost certainly
true that in no quarter of human life has history so obviously and glaringly demonstrated the
want of mankind’s reliance upon the god instinct in the heart of the nations as has been
evidenced by the horrifying spectacle of inhumanity and animal savagery put on display by the
so-called Christianized nations. Christianity has never led the fight for culture. On the contrary, it
has hung like a drag-wheel on the car of real cultural and scientific advance for many centuries.
It has struck at every pioneer in the progress of true culture. Its highest practical aim has rather
been to maintain an average level of decency in traditional forms of social life. Much incidental
good of course has emerged from an effort to which millions of good people, in more or less
ignorance of historic truth, have consecrated their life’s devotion. But never has it been the single
aim and objective of the Christian ecclesiastical system to ground the aspirational life of its
devotees upon the one-pointed quickening of the Christ within all hearts.


Wednesday, March 12th 2014 at 7:26PM
DAVID JOHNSON
HI Doc, you are so correct in taking in what your "objective" professor is saying...Mozell and Thomasena trying to get so much to make comon sense for teh every day person more interested in learning than making a point in one's own favor is so almost impossiable to do, but I love how the both of you do this...

I have read almost every comment and am still lost to how it all fits into any of the original questions posted because there has been everything but this most simple answers to all of them...

every group, tribe, city, town ect. has then as they do now the best thing they could use to answer the unknown...from what caused the crops to not produce to what caused the headache...they had a different crops, a different language (or commuication method)...and, because of human behavior , yes tehy had this back them that mine is right and better then yours as we do today...

and, they tried to prove it by getting along under the same God or a different God or the winner of the latest war, ect...today we have a different language, and a different way of communicating who is right and who is wrong just like they did...

now I will repeat once again ...AMERICA IS STILL THE ONLY COUNTRY TAHT HS EVER HD cHATEL sLAVERY OR SLAVERY FROM BIRTH TO DEATH...ALL OTHER FPRMS PF SLAVERY GAVE A WAY TO GET OUT OF SLAVERY BECAUSE THESE PEOPLES WERE SEEN AS HUMAN BEINGS NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY...

CHRISTINE, YOU POINTED OUT ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS ABOUT ORIGINAL AFRICAN RELIGIONS (AND MUCH OF THIS WE SEE TODAY (IN OUR CHRISTIAN CHURCHES)(ESPECIAL RELIGIOUS STATUES AND PICTURES AND RITUALS)AND THAT IS THE BOTH s*xES OR EQUALITY SOMETHING TAHT THE ONE GOD RELIGIONS COULD NOT ABIDE BY WHICH IS TREATING THE FEMALE WITH EQUAL WORTH AND RESPECT AS THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN NATURAL THINGS OR RESPECT FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HELPED THEM TO STAY ALIVE AND PROVIDED THEM WITH FOOD, WATER, AIRE AND SHELTER...THAT THESE WERE SACRATED AND MUST BE PROTECTED BY GIVING BACK TO THEM NOT JUST MAKING TAKING A ONE WAY STREET TO DISTROYNG THE PLANET FOR SPORT, GAIN OR ENTERTAINMENTS. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
......AND, before anyone jump all over me try to look at this...life is a precess taht has the more we change the more we remain the same in trying to answer the unknown and how things work...

some people still will believe in someone telling them they are God or God's messanger...

some people will not see a doctor but will pray away their pain, illness and troubles...

some people like me will say I am responsiable for myown actions and some will say this is ll in God's hands...

but then there are some like me and Doc and even david can disagree and agree over some things hilwe some will go out and kill others for their religiious beliefs or even the way they walk...

again I call tis human behavior and believe taht because truth and reality is up to the individual persoanlly "I" don't deal in right or wrong as it for me is all realtive. (smile) EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!AND NEVER STOP TRYING TO STEP INTO THE OTHER PERSON'S SHOES ANS STT THINGS FROM THEIR POINTS OF VIEW. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...so sORRY IF i HAVE MISLED ANYONE...today is the first time I ahve been to this blog as it was not related to me in name...but it was very interesting as it does not seem to be going negative on religion it self or the blogger's comments but is more about the progress and changes in religious relationships...plus it has some anthropology in it and thit is one of my favorite sciences. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Well as the saying go, all good things must come to an end...I did enjoy what I was able to get on the site...and taking a chance on being accused of attacking this blog foe seeking more information on this subject for the BIA members????...was this blog only an ad ? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
At Helen, the purpose of any education SYSTEM that demands the we believe we are machines (not human beings) having still going out of our way to seeking / believeing we must still refuse to accept that we arenot like anyone else in being of A-L-L human make ups ...we can learn..no we can relearn things like this...

Helen HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE SONG " SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT' IS ,there is a BIA history, REASON WE STILL SING THIS SONG ANY YET WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT TIES DIRECTLY INTO THE STATEMENTS YOU JUST MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENTS JUST ABOVE THIS ONE OF MINE.and, I am willing to bet I will be rejected for saying this eventough I learned it in a BIA history class in my major study as a university (AFRICAN AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN DEPARTMENT) major in our history...(smile)

THANKKS YOU SO MUCH CHRISTINE FOR ALLOWING ME TO OFFER THIS TEACHINGS O HOW WE ARE SURVIVERS OF LSAVERY AND NOT THE VICTIMS WHO MUST STILL ACCEPT THESE SOCUAL, POLITAL, EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS STILL OUT TO TEACH US HOW AND WHY WE MUST CONTINUE TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN WE ARE STILL TO THIS DAY L-E-S-S THAN...AND THANK YOU SO MUCH MOZELL FOR BEING JUST LIKE ME IN REFUSING TO ACCEPT THE ROLE OF 'LESS TAHN' WITHOUT AT LEAST ASKING W-H-Y / P-R-O-V-E I-T AT LEASE TO ME. (SMILE)


Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Now David to answer the rest of the quwstions in the theme of this blog will take time andx patience and tru and actual interest in wanting the answers..."I" say this because in our 4 year teaching instutions there exist someting called NATIVE-AMERICAN HISTORY...because America is a PLACE, slavery existed before, after and the day before Africans were put into CHATEL slavery actually not to do harm to Africans, but to get them to be able to become humans with souls so they could go to heaven...Slavery can into being hundreds and thousands of years before we were put into 'slavery' dis pite many Christians don't believe th earthitself is that old!...tis is because Native-Americans had slaves...

Much like the religions of America was determined by the separate Native_American nation's beliefs much like there are different Christian beliefs and for the same reasons...sort of like a social control, and like Christianity, changing as needed to retain tis status...

but then this theme of the blog is to have the answers accepted by only two choices...
1. Subjectively (emotionally)
2. Objectively (with facts)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@David, "I" hope this will help answer some of the questions in the theme of this post...

1. As a practicing Buddhist for the pat 25 years, "I" always say I am a (NDB)Nichiren Daishonin Buddhist because here in America there are 142 different Buddhist practices.
2.Religions as well as history tends to be recorded and most studied by a given society, nation that has created by the dominate beliefs , religion of the conquoror of said nation.
3. Every culture will never loose most of its origianl history, beliefs, because each has its own way of passing on their own UNIQUE history.
4. Religions just as cultures history will forever have the need to change in order like all things must so it can survive.
5. A Christian can take its own Bible and see that it has almost no elemints of their society today...from marriage, to the way they eat/ dress or even thelaws of their lands because they can not work today in 2012. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
thank you maMA IRMA !
Thursday, July 17th 2014 at 2:43PM
DAVID JOHNSON
rip
Thursday, July 17th 2014 at 6:02PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The point o the creator generating life was NOT to learn religion but rather to grow civilization on the planet we reside. As a way to guard against evil religion is important in that the creator of the universe subscribes to the GOOD. When religion thwarts the progress of human civilization, it has deviated outside its boundary. The study, understanding and utilization of science has a direct effect of progressing civilization. The original researchers of the sciences were the dark inhabitants of the planet earth. They were concurrently concerned about the preservation of the environment of our planet.

As religion began to dominate black culture in Africa, it began to dominate developments in science until the truth became obscure with mysticism. In African society, for example, it was customary to be absorbed with ancestoral traditions which tended to favor the supernatural(occult) instead of pure science and math. People feared to question or debate many of the spiritual teachings for fear of being cursed. It turns out that a "questioning" attitude is paramount in the development of science. So while the black African civilization was falling behind due to supernatural teachings, European civilization in the 1700s were developing the steam engine.

White civilization treated science much differently than the darker civilization. They stole and learned the sciences, understood and utilized results to "grow" their civilization. they were NOT concerned about the environment. So what they innovation polluted the air, water and disturbed the natural habitats of the plants and animals. they did not care. David Livingston was a famous English missionary who explored Cape Colony and the Zambezi River from 1840 to 1851. With the continued improvements to industrial engines, the time and extent of human travel had changed. Livingston traveled the coast of Mozambique, spanning ALuanda then down pass the Zambezi River, marking the first white man to cross the African continent. WHY...becuause of their understanding of the truth of the science and how to utilize its power to grow their civilization. Religion was not a hindrance to the advance of their civilization...to the contrary...it was an aid

Even today....Religion among the black Americans, black Africans hinder black people from growing their civilization. We argue about religion waisting valuable time when really religion should help maintain a moral fiber about our people so as not to kill and abuse one another......more later
Thursday, July 17th 2014 at 7:40PM
jamal Abraham
yacob saint ,,has been banned from posting on this blog he ran like a b''''''h now he wants to post information that is non factual on all accounts GTFOH
NOT ON MY POST ,,,SUCKER !
Thursday, July 17th 2014 at 9:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Support for science innovations were encouraged by European leaderships. In contrast, African rulers disinterested in natural science research but in self glory, wanted to use their science specialist to carve out oracles, idols and special crafts like canes and ugly masks. the outcome speaks for itself....African rulers and kings made a mistake and black culture suffered because of it. Religion was never mean't to defeat culture integrity. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are neither the author of social dissemination; each has a viewpoint to foster growth thru moral adherence. Its only man's interpretation mixed with vane desire that puts religion against academia. When religion is on the same side as industrialization does that civilization prosper.
Thursday, July 17th 2014 at 9:39PM
jamal Abraham
The fact that Africans are notoriously religious is no longer an issue for debate among scholars today. This is because various peoples of Africa own a religious system and a set of beliefs and practices which bind them together to their Ultimate. This is why A. C. Leonard argues that The religion of these natives [Africans] is their existence and their existence is their religion. It supplies the principle on which their law is dispensed and morality adjudicated. The entire organization of their common life is so interwoven with it that they cannot get away from it. Like the Hindus they eat religiously, drink religiously and sing religiously.This fact of the intertwining of religion and secularity in Africa has created a problem when trying to understand the thought and reasoning of Africans. This is why the process of establishing a well thought-out philosophy in Africa for Africa by Africans has taken a long
time in becoming widely accepted, though so many African Philosophers such as Mbiti, Onyewuenyi, Asouzu, Omoregbe, Wiredu and so many others are doing their best.
Friday, July 18th 2014 at 12:59AM
DAVID JOHNSON
When it came to the acquisition of knowledge, Kemet was the center of most, if not all, ancient learning. At the center of this learning was the Mystery School, a secret learning center (until c. where one went to become a whole person, and thus help mold civilization and its philosophy. Its curriculum was a rigid and lengthy process designed to ensure an educated leadership, and peace among the populous via effective leadership.
As a result, students from around the world came to study the secrets/mysteries of Kemet, the learning center of medicine, science, astronomy, mathematics, and other subjects taught by African master teachers,ancient prophets studied at Kemet (the home of monotheism, salvation, etc.) before introducing the world to religion and religious study.

Friday, July 18th 2014 at 8:23PM
DAVID JOHNSON
The first observable Truth that the ancient Kamitic/Kemetic philosophers could all acknowledge and agree upon was on the power of man and woman’s will, along with the fact that we all live and we all will physically die. So, to help people to come into their divinity, governing their own “selves” and to prevent people from just making up spiritual paths as they go along to fit their whims. The Kamitic philosophers created the 7 Codes/Laws of Maat, These codes/laws have been adapted and modified to contemporary times but generally speaking they are:http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/.../the-seven...

Friday, July 18th 2014 at 8:25PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Since this blog is about the study of religion, one thing for sure is there a common denominator to success in God's eyesight looks like and it centers around one(1) word and that word is "prosperity". Does not make a difference what scripture we use, they all agree that prosperity is state that all people should seek. For the sake of the majority of Christians, let look at several passages in the Bible

Nephi, 1:31 Wherefore, because thou hast been faithful thy seed shall be blessed with his seed, that they dwell in prosperity long upon the face of this land; and nothing, save it shall be iniquity among them, shall harm or disturb their prosperity upon the face of this land forever.

Psalms, 118:25 Save now, I beseech thee, O Lord: O Lord, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

Job, 36:11 11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

Jeremiah,33:9 And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.

So if prosperity is a desirable condition for a nation, then the lack of it is certainly cause to make amendments. The lack of prosperity of most African nations like the lack of prosperity of most African Americans are largely based on bad decisions. It is one thing to obtain knowledge but it is how you use that knowledge. A man can give two sons the same assortment of tools and materials; a saw, a drill, a hammer, nails, paint, brackets, a screwdriver, screws, a ruler, wire, wire cutters, bolts,a 100 pc socket set and a book on how to build a garage. After a month, the man finds that one son has made necklaces and a pit for cooking chicken using the pages of the book for starting the fire. While the other son has a built a 15 ft garage fainted with a door and able to fit 2 cars. What's the difference when both sons had the same source of knowledge and tools. It is utilization of the knowledge which has all to do with prosperity. White people utilize knowledge given to them differently than black people decided to use the same knowledge. this has to change....this must change....this will change




Friday, July 18th 2014 at 9:37PM
jamal Abraham
@ Jamal Abraham
It has to, it must, and it will change, However sad for me to say but until black people decided to take that book call the bible for what it is just fiction so their minds can be set free That prosperity that is in several passages in the Bible is what keeps the poor from harming the rich

Monday, July 28th 2014 at 12:53PM
Sylvainy R
@Sylvainy Sosa.....Prosperity from Almighty God is a blessing out of His mercy and there is no strings attached....but prosperity coming from the devil is generally a trick to control and maintain meaning their is strings attached.
Saturday, August 2nd 2014 at 11:36AM
jamal Abraham
D... Don't delete Robert's comments... He is adding substance from his religious views. I can't believe this blog has gotten this many hits. We all have different ideologies... Let's allow this blog to contain the many different beliefs... That's scholarship....
Saturday, August 2nd 2014 at 10:27PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
robert powell and harry the fool are not allowed to comment on this post I will never allow dumb down stupidity ti get in the way of great scholarship ,,,NEVER !
Tuesday, August 12th 2014 at 10:12AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Okay.... David... but I disagree... Scholarship comes from deep rotted beliefs In one's own self" Alexander the Great for example. Hotep!!
Tuesday, August 12th 2014 at 10:36AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Sorry typos... I hate smart phones..
Tuesday, August 12th 2014 at 10:38AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
SCHOLARSHIP TO ME IS learning; knowledge acquired by study; the academic attainments of a scholar. a sum of money or other aid granted to a student, because of merit, need, etc., to pursue his or her studies. the position or status of such a student. a foundation to provide financial assistance to students.
Monday, September 8th 2014 at 5:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Some of the "great" Church fathers, such as historian Eusebius (c. 263-339), were determined by their own peers to be unbelievable liars who regularly wrote their own fictions of what "the Lord" said and did during his alleged sojourn upon the earth. According to renowned historian Edward Gibbon, in one of his works,
Evangelical Preparation
(bk. 12), Eusebius provides a handy chapter entitled, "How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived."
5
Wheless calls Church fathers Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165), Eusebius and Tertullian (c. 160–c. 220) "three luminous liars,"
6
while Bronson Keeler concludes, "The early Christian fathers were extremely ignorant and superstitious; and they were singularly incompetent to deal with the supernatural."
7
In addition, of the dozens of gospels, those once considered canonical or genuine were later rejected as "apocryphal" or spurious, and vice versa. So much for the "inerrant Word of God" and "infallible" Church! The confusion exists because the Christian plagiarists over the centuries were attempting to amalgamate and fuse practically every myth, fairytale, legend, doctrine or bit of wisdom they could "borrow" from the innumerable different mystery religions and philosophies that existed at the time. In doing so, they forged, interpolated, mutilated, changed, and rewrote these texts for centuries.
Monday, September 15th 2014 at 2:55AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The assertion that Jesus is a myth can be demonstrated not only through the works of dissenters and "Pagans" who knew the truth—and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and Church fathers fooling the masses with their fictions—but also through the statements of various Christians themselves who disclosed that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. Illustrating this contention, in his play from 1564, Bishop of Ossory John Bale (1495-1563) appears to be suggesting that Pope Leo X (1475-1521) was privy to the truth based on his high rank, when the bishop recounts an alleged exchange between Cardinal Bembo (1470-1547) and Pope Leo X, with the latter supposedly exclaiming, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"8 Even if the Pope himself did not express such a sentiment, Bale—a high-ranking Church official—certainly is acknowledging someone's viewpoint, which means that at that time there were doubters in the gospel story as a fable . Since I have been online, beginning in 1995, many individuals have written to me about having been ministers, seminarians, Catholic clergymen, Jesuits, Presbyterians, et al., relating that, in the higher levels of the Church educational institutions, "they know it is all myth." As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvelously easy.
Monday, September 15th 2014 at 2:59AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The earliest use of the word Ethiopia, as far as pres¬ent records reveal, is found in lhe Iliad and the Odys¬sey of Homer, dating from the ninth century lit.; henceforth, il was a very familiar expression in classical literature. Among lhe famous post-Homeric poems and dramas in which references to Ethiopia or the Ethiopians occur, to mention only a few, are Hesiod's Theogarry and Works and Days, A eschyl us' Prornetheu$ Bound, Aptillonius' A rgonautica, Quintus' Posthomericii, Virgil's Aened and the Aeridopis of Arctinus of Miletus. In the field of prose, both terms are repeatedly men¬tioned by the hislorians, Herodolus, Diodorus, Josuphus, and Dio Cassius; by the geographers, Hecalaeus, Ephorus, Eratos-thnnes, Agatharchides, and Shaba; by the naturalist Pliny; and by the romancers, Collislhenes and Tieliodorus.
Theories concerning the etymology of the term Ethiopia vary somewhat among different writers. Pliny stated that it was derived from Aethiops, son of Vulcan, the god of metal-working and of fire, and who was, it may be pointed out, a kind of Creek counterpart of the Ethiopian god Des. Other writers have pointed out that Aethicts, meaning 'the Glow-ing” or "the Black;' was a surname of Zeus, under which this god was worshipped in the island of Chios.
Wednesday, September 17th 2014 at 2:53PM
DAVID JOHNSON
"A man with a (sun) burned or black face." Although the Wad and the Odyssey con¬tain the earliest known use of the word Ethiopia, it is hardly likely, to quote Sir F.. A. Budge, "that Homer invented the name Ethiopia or Ethiopians." We may assume, said this dis¬tinguished antiquariedi, "that both terms were well known ap-pellations mid were already in existence" when the WM and the Odyssey were being crystallized into definite form. IL may be pointed out in passing that this view finds considerable support in archeological discoveries, in that Ethiopians were known to have been domiciled in and otherwise in contact with the Aegean area hundreds of years before flomer's Lime.
The territory included by the Greeks under the designa¬tion Ethiopia varies somewhat from age to age. Writers of the earlier period, particularly those composing the epic cycle, ap¬plied Ethiopia and Ethiopians to lands and peoples in both Africa and Asia; the Wier continent was included apparently with good cause. for more recent discoveries and research have established that in ancient thaws a blackskinned people, or Aethiops, constituted an important part of the populations or Arabia, Mesopotamia, Persia, and India. Homer alluded to the Ethiopians of the two continents, noting that one division was situated towards the sunrise and another towards the sun¬set; for the Ethiopians are, says the poet:
A rave divided, whom the siv7.fing rays The rising and the selling at SttriteyS.

Wednesday, September 17th 2014 at 2:55PM
DAVID JOHNSON
This article should answer the question about whether or not the bible or any other jewish folklore manuscripts are exact parrallels of translations from African mystery systems or are they mistranslations in order to build an empire......

Origen was just one of the early christians who was condemned by the Holy Roman Church, along with Macedonius, Arius, Apollinaris, Euthyches, and Nestorious.
Origen looks to be Arabic but he lived in Alexandria Egypt and wrote in Greek. Also studied the Greek philosophies and literatures.
In 250 a.d. Origen wrote about the pre existing soul. He taught that the souls source was god and that the soul was traveling back to oneness with god via the lessons learned in multiple lives. This was widely believed even before Origen was born. It was constantine who made the belief in reincarnation illegal.
In the 6th century, Emperor Justinian and pope Vigilius disagreed on these teachings again. This pope refused to sign the papal decree and Vigilius was arrested.
The cardinals and bishops around Justinian explained to him that it was NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE EMPIRE for citizens to believe in African mystery systems. When people believe that all souls pre existed with god, then christ wasnt anything special to have come from god. They convinced the caesar that if people believed they were children of god (which is what jews consider themselves) they would see no need for an emperor, pay taxes or obey the holy church. They say this is why satan rebelled against god, because he considered himself a god. They claim that god made new souls during conception and only the holy church can bring these souls to god and without the protection of the holy church, your soul will live in hell. (Not my idea, this is coming from the people who manufactured christianity).
The fifth ecumenical council as instructed by emperor Justinian without the pope, produced the 14 new anathemas and condemned reincarnation and the notion that all souls pre existed with god.
Even though all of these things are written in history modern christianity treats the doctrine as if jesus never tauht it.
Levi, who wrote the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is considered the lost storied of Jesus youth and travels, explains in a esoteric sort of way that Jesus taught African mystery systems including reincarnation and souls pre existing with god. Almost like Jesus was trying to return people back to the African way of seeing the universe. Bit Levi's sources do not come from the accepted cannon of christianity instead by Akashic records aka hall of records. Which means science can not deduce these types of records only the soul mind can and one must be of high caliber even to conprehend the records. These records are said to be underneath the sphinx in Egypt, but are still undiscovered. There must be something more to the location of these records since Flanders, another European anthropologists fascinated with Africa said the American government restricted the area of the sphinx and prohibited digging around it.
St. Jerome later wrote to Avitus after translating greek works of Origen and said he really did teach of reincarnation and souls pre existing with god and it was distorted in the writtings that came from the fifth ecumenical council in the sixth century when pope vigilius was arrested for not condemning the reincarnation belief.
St. Jerome was a latin priest and lived from 347 - 420 ad. About one hundred years after Origen.
This should answer the question on "is christianity or hebrew belief mythology based on parallels of translations or is it revised to the point of mistranslation?"
Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
This article should answer the question about whether or not the bible or any other jewish folklore manuscripts are exact parrallels of translations from African mystery systems or are they mistranslations in order to build an empire......

Origen was just one of the early christians who was condemned by the Holy Roman Church, along with Macedonius, Arius, Apollinaris, Euthyches, and Nestorious.
Origen looks to be Arabic but he lived in Alexandria Egypt and wrote in Greek. Also studied the Greek philosophies and literatures.
In 250 a.d. Origen wrote about the pre existing soul. He taught that the souls source was god and that the soul was traveling back to oneness with god via the lessons learned in multiple lives. This was widely believed even before Origen was born. It was constantine who made the belief in reincarnation illegal.
In the 6th century, Emperor Justinian and pope Vigilius disagreed on these teachings again. This pope refused to sign the papal decree and Vigilius was arrested.
The cardinals and bishops around Justinian explained to him that it was NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE EMPIRE for citizens to believe in African mystery systems. When people believe that all souls pre existed with god, then christ wasnt anything special to have come from god. They convinced the caesar that if people believed they were children of god (which is what jews consider themselves) they would see no need for an emperor, pay taxes or obey the holy church. They say this is why satan rebelled against god, because he considered himself a god. They claim that god made new souls during conception and only the holy church can bring these souls to god and without the protection of the holy church, your soul will live in hell. (Not my idea, this is coming from the people who manufactured christianity).
The fifth ecumenical council as instructed by emperor Justinian without the pope, produced the 14 new anathemas and condemned reincarnation and the notion that all souls pre existed with god.
Even though all of these things are written in history modern christianity treats the doctrine as if jesus never tauht it.
Levi, who wrote the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is considered the lost storied of Jesus youth and travels, explains in a esoteric sort of way that Jesus taught African mystery systems including reincarnation and souls pre existing with god. Almost like Jesus was trying to return people back to the African way of seeing the universe. Bit Levi's sources do not come from the accepted cannon of christianity instead by Akashic records aka hall of records. Which means science can not deduce these types of records only the soul mind can and one must be of high caliber even to conprehend the records. These records are said to be underneath the sphinx in Egypt, but are still undiscovered. There must be something more to the location of these records since Flanders, another European anthropologists fascinated with Africa said the American government restricted the area of the sphinx and prohibited digging around it.
St. Jerome later wrote to Avitus after translating greek works of Origen and said he really did teach of reincarnation and souls pre existing with god and it was distorted in the writtings that came from the fifth ecumenical council in the sixth century when pope vigilius was arrested for not condemning the reincarnation belief.
St. Jerome was a latin priest and lived from 347 - 420 ad. About one hundred years after Origen.
This should answer the question on "is christianity or hebrew belief mythology based on parallels of translations or is it revised to the point of mistranslation?"
Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
WHERE THE HELL IS JESUS AT? WHERE THE HELL IS MOHAMMAD ? (1 hits)
One of the gravest threats to the security of black children is the growing prison industrial complex. Rahiem Shabazz has put together a group of experts to make the film, “Elementary Genocide,” which deeply explores the complexity of this problem, and how a prison cell is built for nearly every black child in America from the day they are born.
“The prison industrial complex is the reason for the spike in single parent households, the increase in urban violence, and the vast urban decay we’ve been seeing in the black community over the last 40 years. This is our holocaust, we’re right in the middle of it, and it is going to take determined action in order to stop the systematic slaughter of our young people.” – Dr Boyce Watkins
Elementary Genocide consists of candid interviews and voice-over narration culled from original interviews from professors, teachers, best selling authors, children, parents, celebrities, etc. A few notable appearances are made by Dr. Umar Abdullah Johnson, Dr. Boyce Watkins, SupremeUnderstanding, Dr. Torrence Stephens, Tracey Syphax, Killer Mike, Kadidra Stewart, Edward M. Garnes Jr., Okorie Johnson and Sistah Iminah.
http://www.yourblackworld.net/elementary-g...
Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE CHURCH THINKS ITS PROMOTING African Essence BUT IN FACT IT IS GIVING RISE TO THE ANCESTORS THAT ENSLAVE US WHEN WE WORSHIP OUR ENEMIES GOD WE BECOME THE ENEMY, ANYTIME YOU WORSHIP THE GOD OF OUR ENEMY YOUR BRING FORWARD YOUR ENEMIES ASPIRATIONS NOT YOUR OWN NOT YOUR CULTURE GOD ,,,SO YOU THINK YOUR WORSHIPING YOUR GOD ,THE GOD YOU FEEL WHO IS UNIVERSAL ALL KNOWING ,ALL LOVING ,BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS IS THE GOD OF GODS ?
WHERE DO YOU GET THESE FACTS FROM BESIDE RELYING ON YOUR FAITH
OR THE BELIEF SYSTEM YOU WAS RAISED ON ,,HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE WORSHIPING THE REAL /RIGHT GOD ?

YOU MUST LOOK AT THE GOD YOUR ANCESTORS WORSHIPED
AS A AFRICAN AND I HEAR PPL SAY WHEN IT COME TO RACE ,YOU ASK THEM WHAT RACE ARE YOU PPL SAY IM MIXED WITH AND BLACK ,INDIAN AND BLACK ON AND ON BUT IF YOU NOTICE THERE IS NO CELEBRATION FO THESE MIXED CULTURES SO IN BLACK AND WHITE YOU GOT THE BASIC CULTURES CELEBRATION THEIR CUSTOMS AND FOR BLACK PEOPLE IT IS THE AFRICAN CULTURE ,WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM AND INCORPORATED THE EUROPEAN LIVE STYLE AND CUSTOMS WE EVEN WORSHIP THE EUROPEAN GOD ! BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUT A BAD RAP ON THE GOD OF AFRICA AND WE AS BLACK PEOPLE FELL FOR IT ,

,THE VOODOO GOD IS OUR BLACK AFRICAN GOD BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT VOODOO WE SEE SPELLS AND DOLLS ,WE SEE BLACK MAGIC WE SEE BLOOD OF CHICKENS ,AND DUCK FEET SHAKING AND DANCING ,,BUT WHEN WE READ IN THE BIBLE PPL WORSHIPING A GOLDEN CALF ,OR CUTTING A BULL IN HALF AND LAY IT ON THE ALTER ,WHILE DRINKING THE BLOOD OF GOATS IT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR GOD TO THE AFRICAN AND THEIR GOD THE DIFFERENCE FOR 400 YEARS THE FORCED THEIR GOD ONTO US THE BEAT US ,RAPED OUR WOMAN KILLED OUR CHILDREN FOR 400 YEARS IN THE NAME FOR THEIR GOD THE BEAT US TO THE POINT THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT OUR AFRICAN GOD AND NOW WE WORSHIP THEIR GOD

WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED ,,THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR ANCESTORS DID AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE WE HAVE BELIEVED THE LIES THE TOLD ABOUT OUR GOD THE LIES THY TOLD ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND TODAY WE ARE LIVING THOSE LIES ! WE DONT CARE TO INVESTIGATE OR LOOK INT WHAT IM SAYING BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF YOU COMFORT LEVEL IT WILL MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE YOUR HAPPY TO WORSHIP YOUR ENEMIES GOD WITH YOUR GOSPEL AFRICAN ROOTS YOU SUBMIT TO THEIR GOD ,,,VOODOO RAISING SPIRITS FROM THE DEAD BUT WHEN JESUS RAISED THE DEAD YOU WORSHIPED HIM !!


HOW DO WE GET RIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHWPX6xCob...
http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/2014/06...

Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:40AM
DAVID JOHNSON
THE CHURCH THINKS ITS PROMOTING African Essence BUT IN FACT IT IS GIVING RISE TO THE ANCESTORS THAT ENSLAVE US WHEN WE WORSHIP OUR ENEMIES GOD WE BECOME THE ENEMY, ANYTIME YOU WORSHIP THE GOD OF OUR ENEMY YOUR BRING FORWARD YOUR ENEMIES ASPIRATIONS NOT YOUR OWN NOT YOUR CULTURE GOD ,,,SO YOU THINK YOUR WORSHIPING YOUR GOD ,THE GOD YOU FEEL WHO IS UNIVERSAL ALL KNOWING ,ALL LOVING ,BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS IS THE GOD OF GODS ?
WHERE DO YOU GET THESE FACTS FROM BESIDE RELYING ON YOUR FAITH
OR THE BELIEF SYSTEM YOU WAS RAISED ON ,,HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE WORSHIPING THE REAL /RIGHT GOD ?

YOU MUST LOOK AT THE GOD YOUR ANCESTORS WORSHIPED
AS A AFRICAN AND I HEAR PPL SAY WHEN IT COME TO RACE ,YOU ASK THEM WHAT RACE ARE YOU PPL SAY IM MIXED WITH AND BLACK ,INDIAN AND BLACK ON AND ON BUT IF YOU NOTICE THERE IS NO CELEBRATION FO THESE MIXED CULTURES SO IN BLACK AND WHITE YOU GOT THE BASIC CULTURES CELEBRATION THEIR CUSTOMS AND FOR BLACK PEOPLE IT IS THE AFRICAN CULTURE ,WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM AND INCORPORATED THE EUROPEAN LIVE STYLE AND CUSTOMS WE EVEN WORSHIP THE EUROPEAN GOD ! BECAUSE THEY HAVE PUT A BAD RAP ON THE GOD OF AFRICA AND WE AS BLACK PEOPLE FELL FOR IT ,

,THE VOODOO GOD IS OUR BLACK AFRICAN GOD BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT VOODOO WE SEE SPELLS AND DOLLS ,WE SEE BLACK MAGIC WE SEE BLOOD OF CHICKENS ,AND DUCK FEET SHAKING AND DANCING ,,BUT WHEN WE READ IN THE BIBLE PPL WORSHIPING A GOLDEN CALF ,OR CUTTING A BULL IN HALF AND LAY IT ON THE ALTER ,WHILE DRINKING THE BLOOD OF GOATS IT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR GOD TO THE AFRICAN AND THEIR GOD THE DIFFERENCE FOR 400 YEARS THE FORCED THEIR GOD ONTO US THE BEAT US ,RAPED OUR WOMAN KILLED OUR CHILDREN FOR 400 YEARS IN THE NAME FOR THEIR GOD THE BEAT US TO THE POINT THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT OUR AFRICAN GOD AND NOW WE WORSHIP THEIR GOD

WE HAVE BEEN FOOLED ,,THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR ANCESTORS DID AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE WE HAVE BELIEVED THE LIES THE TOLD ABOUT OUR GOD THE LIES THY TOLD ABOUT OUR HISTORY AND TODAY WE ARE LIVING THOSE LIES ! WE DONT CARE TO INVESTIGATE OR LOOK INT WHAT IM SAYING BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF YOU COMFORT LEVEL IT WILL MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE YOUR HAPPY TO WORSHIP YOUR ENEMIES GOD WITH YOUR GOSPEL AFRICAN ROOTS YOU SUBMIT TO THEIR GOD ,,,VOODOO RAISING SPIRITS FROM THE DEAD BUT WHEN JESUS RAISED THE DEAD YOU WORSHIPED HIM !!


HOW DO WE GET RIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHWPX6xCob...
http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/2014/06...

Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:41AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Who Is Jesus, will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up
Document Transcript

RBG Spirituality 101 Page 1 of 5"Who is Jesus-Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up"Including a poem by RBGStreetScholarIcebreaker mp3s/DownloadsSpiritual Enslavement-Ashra KwesiThe Jesus Story-Dr. Yosef A.A. Ben-Jochannan"Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up" RBG Street Scholar
RBG Spirituality 101 Page 2 of 5 Isis, the Divine Mother was worshiped throughout the Greco-Roman world. She was venerated as inventor of agriculture, law and medicine, the Mother who placed the Sun God Ra in the sky. According to Egyptian scriptures, "In the beginning there was Isis, Oldest of the Old." She married her husband-brother Osiris and conceived Horus, the original Son of God. Her "Mother of God" role was later assumed by the Virgin Mary.RBG-Principles of MAÁT and Book ofGoing Forth by Day WHO CREATED JESUS CHRIST? Dr. John Henrik Clarke "Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up" RBG Street Scholar
RBG Spirituality 101 Page 3 of 5 "Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up"RBGStreetScholar Who is Jesus, Hair like Lambs Wool, Skin of Bronze and Feet Like Coal, Or Blond Hair, Blue Eyes and Pale Skin, Born in the birth-place of David Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up, They say He was born in a mainger in Bethlehem Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up, You know, Bethlehem / Nazareth / Nile River area, Do you mean Bethlehem of the Arabian peninsula,Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up,Was not the Arabian peninsula considered part of what we now call Africa,(not "the Near East" or "the Middle East").Who is Jesus, Blond Hair, Blue Eyes and Pale Skin,Or was He Brunette wit da buttermilk complexionWill the Real Jesus Please Stand Up,You mean the Jesus whos family escaped the fate of his death by fleeing to EgyptWho is Jesus, Blond Hair, Blue Eyes and Pale Skin,Or was He Brunette wit da buttermilk complexionWill the Real Jesus Please Stand Up,You mean the Jesus who lived as a child in Egypt where his appearance did notmake him stand out.Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up,Blond Hair, Blue Eyes and Pale Skin in AfricaOr was He Brunette wit da buttermilk complexionWho is Jesus,You know,the one being held by Mary/ the Black Madonna/Black VirginWho is Jesus,Son of the pre-Christian mother and earth GoddessesWho is Jesus,You mean Ancestor-Goddess Isis Son Horus,Oh Yaaah Asets Son Heru, thats who Jesus is.Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up.--------------"Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up" RBG Street Scholar
RBG Spirituality 101 Page 4 of 5 Aset and Son, Heru 9:00 RBG-Dispelling the Myth of Judeo-Christian Mythology 1 of 3 8:48 RBG-Dispelling the Myth of Judeo-Christian Mythology 2 of 3 6:00 RBG-Dispelling the Myth of Judeo Christian Mythology 3 of 3"Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up" RBG Street Scholar
RBG Spirituality 101 Page 5 of 5For further pursuit of the subject see:http://www.odwirafo.com/nkommere.pdfMAAKHERU A webcast facilitated by Kwesi Ra Nehem Ptah Akhan /"Who is Jesus, Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up" RBG Street Scholar
Monday, September 22nd 2014 at 12:42AM
DAVID JOHNSON
we have proof PAUL IS A LIE ,,,,THE books are forgeries,,,,

ccording to renowned biblical scholar Bart D. Ehrman, Paul only wrote seven of 13 books attributed to him in the New Testament

The remaining books are forgeries, Ehrman says. His proof: inconsistencies in the language, choice of words and blatant contradiction in doctrine.

For example, Ehrman says the book of Ephesians doesn’t conform to Paul’s distinctive Greek writing style. He says Paul wrote in short, pointed sentences while Ephesians is full of long Greek sentences (the opening sentence of thanksgiving in Ephesians unfurls a sentence that winds through 12 verses, he says).

The scholar also points to a famous passage in 1 Corinthians in which Paul is recorded as saying that women should be “silent” in churches and that “if they wish to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home.”

Only three chapters earlier, in the same book, Paul is urging women who pray and prophesy in church to cover their heads with veils, Ehrman says: “If they were allowed to speak in chapter 11, how could they be told not to speak in chapter 14?”
Friday, October 3rd 2014 at 2:54AM
DAVID JOHNSON
The christians believe the bible is the word of god and god makes no mistakes
The christians believe the bible is the word of god and god makes no mistakes really ? then tell me why Matthew and Luke are a Plagiarized Version of Mark?

Although it is unknown exactly how the four canonical Gospels were composed, a popular theory among scholars is the two-source hypothesis.

The hypothesis puts the Gospel of Mark being written first and then the authors of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke using Mark and a hypothetical Q document, in addition to some other sources, to write their individual Gospels. The three Gospels are called the Synoptic Gospels since they are so very similar.

The Q document, also called the Q source, Q Gospel or Q (from German: Quelle, meaning “source”) is a hypothetical written collection of sayings from Jesus (the Beatitudes and the Lord’s Prayer) that is believed, by some scholars, to be the source of the material found in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke but not in the Gospel of Mark.

According to this hypothesis, verbal agreements between Matthew and Luke suggest the non-Markan material must have been taken from a written, not oral, source. Since Q does not contain any Passion story, this has led some researchers to conclude that whoever first wrote the document must have regarded Jesus as a teacher of wisdom and nothing more.
Friday, October 3rd 2014 at 2:55AM
DAVID JOHNSON
he so called writers of the gospels ,,,,,,are not real
The Gospels Are Not Eyewitness Accounts?
The four canonical Gospels in the New Testament were originally anonymous. The names of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not attached to them until the second century.
As is the case with all the Gospels, it is unknown exactly when the Gospel of Mark was written. Most scholars believe that it was written by a second-generation Christian, around or shortly after the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Second Temple in year 70.
Numerous early sources say that Mark’s material was dictated to him by St. Peter, who later compiled it into his Gospel. The Gospel, however, appears to rely on several underlying sources, which vary in form and in theology, and which go against the story that the Gospel was based on Peter’s preaching.
Biblical scholars generally hold that Matthew was composed between the years c. 70 and 100 and the author was probably a Jewish Christian writing for other Jewish Christians.
As is the case of the Gospel of Luke, scholars have proposed a range of dates from as early as 60 A.D. to as late as 90 A.D. and it was penned by the same author who wrote Acts of the Apostles.
A majority of scholars find it unlikely that John the Apostle wrote the Gospel of John because the Gospel is a deeply meditated representation of Jesus’ character and teachings rather than a plain account of Jesus’ ministry.
Friday, October 3rd 2014 at 2:57AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Even in antiquity people like Origen and Eusebius raised doubts about the authenticity of other books in the New Testament such as Hebrews, James, John 2 & 3, Peter 2, Jude, and Revelation. Martin Luther rejected the Epistle of James calling it worthless and an "epistle of straw" and questioned Jude, Hebrews and the Apocalypse in Revelation. Nevertheless, all New Testament writings came well after the alleged death of Jesus from unknown authors (with the possible exception of Paul, although still after the alleged death).

Epistles of Paul: Paul's biblical letters (epistles) serve as the oldest surviving Christian texts, written probably around 60 C.E. Most scholars have little reason to doubt that Paul wrote some of them himself. However, there occurs not a single instance in all of Paul's writings that he ever meets or sees an earthly Jesus, nor does he give any reference to Jesus' life on earth. Therefore, all accounts about a Jesus could only have come from other believers or his imagination. Hearsay.
Epistle of James: Although the epistle identifies a James as the letter writer, but which James? Many claim him as the gospel disciple but the gospels mention several different James. Which one? Or maybe this James has nothing to do with any of the gospel James. Perhaps this writer comes from any one of innumerable James outside the gospels. James served as a common name in the first centuries and we simply have no way to tell who this James refers to. More to the point, the Epistle of James mentions Jesus only once as an introduction to his belief. Nowhere does the epistle reference a historical Jesus and this alone eliminates it from an historical account. [1]
Epistles of John: The epistles of John, the Gospel of John, and Revelation appear so different in style and content that they could hardly have the same author. Some suggest that these writings of John come from the work of a group of scholars in Asia Minor who followed a "John" or they came from the work of church fathers who aimed to further the interests of the Church. Or they could have simply come from people also named John (a very common name). No one knows. Also note that nowhere in the body of the three epistles of "John" does it mention a John. In any case, the epistles of John say nothing about seeing an earthly Jesus. Not only do we not know who wrote these epistles, they can only serve as hearsay accounts. [2]
Epistles of Peter: Many scholars question the authorship of Peter of the epistles. Even within the first epistle, it says in 5:12 that Silvanus wrote it. Most scholars consider the second epistle as unreliable or an outright forgery (for some examples, see the introduction to 2 Peter in the full edition of The New Jerusalem Bible, 1985, and [3]). In short, no one has any way of determining whether the epistles of Peter come from fraud, an unknown author also named Peter (a common name) or from someone trying to further the aims of the Church.
Of the remaining books and letters in the Bible, there occurs no other stretched claims or eyewitness accounts for a historical Jesus and needs no mention of them here for this deliberation.
As for the existence of original New Testament documents, none exist. No book of the New Testament survives in the original autograph copy. What we have then come from copies, and copies of copies, of questionalbe originals (if the stories came piecemeal over time, as it appears it has, then there may never have existed an original). The earliest copies we have came more than a century later than the autographs, and these exist on fragments of papyrus. [Pritchard; Graham] According to Hugh Schonfield, "It would be impossible to find any manuscript of the New

Testament older than the late third century, and we actually have copies from the fourth and fifth. [Schonfield]


Friday, October 3rd 2014 at 3:14AM
DAVID JOHNSON
David
I try not to concentrate on the reality of Satan because it only gives him or it more power. Obsessive thought patterns can drive our emotions into a stressful state and make our life miserable. Continuous obsessive thinking leads to feelings of anguish or discuss because they just won't leave you alone with a peaceful mind.
Our minds sometimes get struck in a repetitive position like a record, but we can break the obsessive train of thoughts by just simply alternating positive and negative thought patterns. By giving your mind a few extra positive suggestions can get you back on the right track.
I know you might say that we all need to deal with the reality of devils, but the way I see it, let God fight the devil, cause his spirits’ been around as long as God has so why should I be the one to call him out (lol).

Monday, October 6th 2014 at 12:23AM
Helen Lofton | delete | block member
good info Helen ,I was trying to compare how the christian are praying to a deity that is man made as to the principals,statutes, laws and commandments of our ancestors remember in the bible story where a man cleaned of evil spirits had nothing to replace them so they came back making him 100 x worst ,this to me is what the christians are doing worshiping a deity that is not real and need to be replaced with what is real ,,,so i would want to know what did our african ancestors worship .at one time africans worshiped over 700 gods in spirit ,,then as they evolved they worship Amun RA and learned to principles of MA'AT.,THIS IS WHERE IT GETS GOOD ,,,,Amun (Amen, Amon) was a relatively modern god within the context of ancient Egyptian religion. His worship at Thebes, where the earliest known Temple dedicated to him was located, is only documented from the 11th Dynasty onward,,http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/2014/05/amun-and-amun-ra-new-face-of-african.html?q=alexander

Monday, October 6th 2014 at 12:41AM
David Johnson | delete
HERE IS THE LINK
http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/2014/05...
Monday, October 6th 2014 at 12:43AM
David Johnson | delete
the development of virtues OF '' Maat ''
(the kosmic order).

Control of thoughts;
Control of actions;
Devotion of purpose;
Have faith in the ability of your teacher to teach you the truth;
Have faith in yourself to assimilate the truth;
Have faith in yourself to wield the truth;
Be free from resentment under the experience of persecution;
Be free from resentment under the experience of wrong;
Cultivate the ability to distinguish between right and wrong; and
Cultivate the ability to distinguish between the real and the unreal
Maat

Maát is ethical principles that govern the Kosmos, galaxies, universe and the world(s) collectively embracing the values of truth, justice, harmony, balance, cosmological order, reciprocity, charity and propriety.

http://wwwtheblogking.blogspot.com/2014/05...



Monday, October 6th 2014 at 12:45AM
David Johnson | delete
THESE ARE SOME OF THE PRINCIPLES OUR AFRICAN ANCESTORS LIVED BY ! THIS IS WHAT BLACK AMERICA NEEDS TO REPLACE CHRISTIANITY WITH ,,THERE IS MORE

NOT TO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS

Codes/Laws of Maat or Principles were never meant to be Commandments or Laws because life is not black and white. Only spiritually immature individuals that have a limited understanding of who they are (Knowledge of Self) would see life as being so rigid, which is why they see the need for having Laws. These individuals feel that if they didn’t have commandments or laws given to them by the Almighty God that they will not follow them.
So, when you compare the 7 Codes/Laws of Maa with the 42 Declarations (incorrectly called the 42 Laws of Maat or 42 Negative Confessions) and the whole Pert em Hru (the so-called Egyptian Book of the Dead which translates literally to The Book of the Sun/Day) we can easily see that the Declarations and the book itself is actually someone’s spiritual diary with their favorite scriptures, spells and so forth.
The first observable Truth that the ancient Kamitic/Kemetic philosophers could all acknowledge and agree upon was on the power of man and woman’s will, along with the fact that we all live and we all will physically die. So, to help people to come into their divinity, governing their own “selves” and to prevent people from just making up spiritual paths as they go along to fit their whims. The Kamitic philosophers created the 7 Codes/Laws of Maat, These codes/laws have been adapted and modified to contemporary times but generally speaking they are:


I. The Principle of Psychokinesis
"MIND is, thought; the universe is a mental creation. This first great Principle embodies the idea that "All is Mind." It explains that (which is the substantial essence underlying all the outward manifestations and appearances which you know under the terms of "the material universe," "the phenomena of life," "matter," "energy," "space-time," "distance," "speed," "relativity," and, in short, all that is apparent to your material senses) is SPIRIT. This SPIRIT may be considered and thought of as A UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND.

This living MIND performs gastrulation, which is a turning of itself inside out, manifesting its esoteric NATURE outwardly. Therefore, all the phenomenal worlds and universes are simply a mental creation of (MIND), subject to the laws of created things, and the universes, as a whole and in their parts or units, have their existence in the Mind. It is in this Mind that we "live and move and have our being." This SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATION of CREATION is the Principle which establishes the mental nature of the universes and easily explains all of the varied mental and psychic phenomena. Without such explanation these phenomena are not understandable and defy scientific inspection. An understanding of this first great Principle of Psychokinesis empowers the individual to comprehend the laws of the mental universe, and to apply the same to his or her well being and RHYTHMED advancement. The serious student is empowered to apply intelligently the great mental laws, instead of using them in a haphazard manner. With the Master Key in his or her possession, the student may unlock the many doors of the mental and psychic sanctuaries of knowledge and enter the same freely and intelligently. This Principle explains the NATURE of matter, energy, space-time, and why and how all these are subordinate to the mastery of mind. Those who understand the knowledge of the mental nature of the universe are well advanced on the path to mastery. Without this master key, mastery is impossible, and the student knocks in vain at the many doors of Creation.
The lack of knowledge of this principle is why modern man thinks that the Pyramids were built by aliens. This knowledge can't be acquired or developed by going to church or reading old desert based religious books full of religiosity and denominational benightedness.


II. The Principle of Correspondence
"As above, so below; as below, so above." This Principle embodies the idea that there is always a correspondence or correlation between the laws and phenomena of the various levels of being and life. This aphorism, "As above, so below; as below, so above," gives one the means of solving many a mysterious paradox and hidden secrets of nature. There are levels beyond your knowing, but when you apply the Principle of Correspondence to them you are able to understand much that would otherwise be unknowable to you. This Principle exists at the various levels of the material, mental, and spiritual universes and is of universal application. This Principle has been considered to be one of the most important mental instruments by which humankind is able to set aside the obstacles which hide the unknown from view. Its use can even remove the "Veil of Isis" (death) so that one can catch a glimpse of the other side. Just as a knowledge of the principles of geometry empowers the astronomer to measure distant suns and their movements while seated in an observatory, a knowledge of the Principle of Correspondence empowers you to reason intelligently from the known to the unknown. All the Principles have an interrelationship with Correspondence. Correspondence draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION. Studying the monad, one is studying the universe.


III. The Principle of Vibration
"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates." This Principle embodies the idea that everything is in motion; everything vibrates; nothing is at rest; facts which science endorses and which each new scientific discovery tends to verify. Yet this Principle was enunciated thousands of years ago by masters of old. This Principle explains that the differences between various manifestations of matter, energy, space-time, mind, and even spirit result largely from varying rates of vibration. From CREATION'S copulation which is pure spirit, down to the grossest form of matter, all is in vibration. From the "in and out of bond infinite times in a finite moment" (CREATION'S copulation), to the expansion and collapse of a universe, the rate of vibration is observed as states of "proper" time. The higher the vibration, the higher the position in the scale. The vibration of spirit is at such an infinite rate of intensity and rapidity that it is seemingly at rest -- just as a rapidly turning wheel seems to be motionless. At the other end of the scale, there are gross forms of matter whose vibrations are so low as to seem at rest. Between these two opposing points, there are billions upon billions of varying degrees of vibration. From quark, squark, lepton, slepton, electron, atom, and molecule, to planets and universes, everything is in vibratory motion. This is also true in the fields of energy and force (which are but varying degrees of vibration); and also at the mental levels (whose states depend upon vibrations); and even at the spiritual levels. All the Principles have an interrelationship with Vibration. Vibration draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION. An understanding of the Principle, with the appropriate application, empowers the student to control their own mental vibrations as well as those of others. The masters also apply this Principle to the conquering of natural phenomena in various ways. "Those who understand the Principle of Vibration have taken hold of the scepter of power."

IV. The Principle of Opposition
"Everything is dual; everything has an opposing point; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes bond; all truths are but partial truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."
This Principle embodies the idea that everything is dual; everything has two opposing sides; everything has its pair of opposites, of which all are ancient aphorisms. It explains the paradoxes that have perplexed so many and have been stated as follows: "Thesis and antithesis are identical in nature, but different in degree"; "opposites are the same, differing only in degree"; "the pairs of opposites may be reconciled"; "in and out of bond NOTHING and POSSIBILITY meet"; "extremes bond"; "everything is and is not at the same time"; "every truth is partially false"; "all truths are a paradox"; "there are at least two sides to every story," etc. It explains that in everything there are two opposing points or opposite aspects (complementarity), and that opposites are really only the two extremes of the same event, with many varying degrees between them. To illustrate, "hot and cold," although opposites, are really the same phenomenon, the differences consisting merely of degrees of the same "event." Look at your thermometer and see if you can discover where hot terminates and cold begins! In actuality, there is no such thing as absolute hot or absolute cold -- the two terms "hot" and "cold" simply indicate varying degrees of the same event, and that same event which manifests as hot and cold is merely a form, variety, and rate of vibration. So "hot" and "cold" are simply the two opposing points of that which you call "temperature" -- and the phenomena attendant thereupon are manifestations of the Principle of Opposition. The same Principle is involved in the case of "light and darkness," which are the same event, the difference consisting of varying degrees between the two opposing points of the phenomenon. Where does darkness leave off and light begin? What is the difference between "large and small," "hard and soft," "black and white," "sharp and dull," "noise and quiet," "high and low," "positive and negative?" The Principle of Opposition explains these paradoxes.
The same Principle operates on the spiritual and mental levels. Take an example from the mental level -- that of "love and hate" -- two mental states apparently totally different. Yet there are degrees of hate and degrees of love, and a middle point in which you use the terms "like or dislike," which shade into each other so gradually that sometimes you are at a loss to know whether you like or dislike or neither. All are simply degrees of the same event as you will find if you will but feel it for a moment. More than this (and considered of more importance by the students), it is possible to change the vibrations of hate to the vibrations of love in one's own mind and in the minds of others. Many of you who read these lines have had personal experiences of the involuntary rapid transition from love to hate, and the reverse, in your own case and that of others. You will therefore realize the possibility of this being accomplished by the use of the Will, by means of knowing the Will. "Good and evil" are but opposing points of the same event, and the student understands the art of altering evil into good by means of an application of the Principle of Opposition.
In short, the Art of Immersion becomes a phase of Psychokinesis known and practiced by the ancient and modern masters. All the Principles have an interrelationship with Opposition. Opposition draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION -- the Big Bang if you will. An understanding of the Principles will empower one to change their own vibration as well as that of others, if they will devote the time and study necessary to master the art.

V. The Principle of Rhythm
"Everything flows out and in; everything has its season; all things rise and fall; the pendulum swing expresses itself in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates." -- 16 This Principle embodies the idea that in everything there exists a measured motion to and fro; an outflow and inflow; a swing backward and forward; a pendulum like movement; a tide like ebb and flow; a high tide and a low tide. All things "come in and out of bond" between the two opposing points which exist in accordance with the Principle of Opposition described previously. There is always an action and a reaction; an advance and a retreat; a rising and a sinking. This is in the affairs of the universe, suns, worlds, humankind, animals, mind, energy, and matter. This law is established in the creation and destruction of worlds; in the rise and fall of nations; and finally in the mental states of humans. The students that realize this Principle find its universal application and discover the means to overcome its effect upon themselves. They apply the mental Law of Neutralization. They cannot annul the Principle or cause it to cease its operation. They do not escape the effect the Principle will have on them at one level, but they have learned how to escape its effects upon themselves to a certain degree. They have learned how to USE it, instead of being USED BY it. In this and similar methods consist the art of the masters. The masters immerse themselves at the point at which they desire to rest, and then neutralize the rhythmic swing of the pendulum which wants to carry them to the opposite point. All individuals who have attained any degree of self mastery do this naturally, more or less unconsciously, but the masters do this consciously by the use of their Will. They attain a degree of poise and mental firmness beyond belief of the masses who are swung backward and forward on the pendulum of Opposition. All the Principles have an interrelationship with Rhythm. Rhythm draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION. This principle and that of Opposition have been closely studied by the masters, and the method of counteracting, neutralizing, and USING them forms an important part of Psychokinesis

VI. The Principle of Cause and Effect
"Every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause; everything happens according to Law; Chance is just a name for Law not recognized; there are many fields of causation, but nothing escapes the Law of Destiny
This principle embodies the idea that there is a cause for every effect; and an effect from every cause. It explains that "everything happens according to law"; that nothing ever "merely happens"; that there is no such thing as chance; that while there are various fields of cause and effect, the higher dominating the lower fields, still nothing ever entirely escapes the Law (destiny). The masters understand the art and method of rising above the ordinary field of cause and effect, and by mentally rising to a higher field they become causers instead of effects. The masses of people are carried along obedient to environment, the wills and desires of others stronger than themselves, heredity, suggestion, and other outward causes moving them about like pawns on the chessboard of life. But the masters, rising to the field above, dominate their moods, character, qualities, and powers as well as the environment surrounding them, and become movers instead of pawns. They help to PLAY THE GAME OF LIFE, instead of being played and moved about by the environment. They USE the Principles instead of being used. The masters obey the causation of the higher fields, but they help to RULE on their own level.
All the Principles have an interrelationship with Cause and Effect. Cause "comes in and out of bond" with Effect; all EVENTS are between the cause and effect. Cause and Effect draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION. In this statement there is condensed a wealth of knowledge.

VII. The Principle of Gender
"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; Gender manifests on all levels." This Principle embodies the idea that there is GENDER expressed in everything -- the masculine and feminine principles ever at work. The NATURE of the copulation of CREATION displays in this principle. This is a fact not only of the physical level, but of the mental and even the spiritual levels. On the physical levels the Principle presents itself as s*x; on the higher levels it takes higher forms, but the Principle is ever the same. No creation, physical, mental, or spiritual, is possible without this Principle. An understanding of its laws will throw light on many a subject that has perplexed the minds of humans.
The Principle of Gender works ever in the direction of generation, re- generation, and creation. Everything and every person contains the two elements or aspects of this great Principle within it, him, or her. Every male thing has the female element as well; every female contains also the male principle. If you are to understand the philosophy of mental and spiritual creation, generation, and re-generation, you must understand and study this Principle. All the Principles have an inter- relationship with Gender. As the NOTHING "comes in" and the POSSIBILITY "out of bond," Gender is created. Gender draws its NATURE from the copulation of CREATION. It contains the solution to many mysteries of life.
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the reason why the answer is so easy is the bible writers stole almost word for word the ways of the black egyptians they tried to destroy the black race ,rewrite black history they never thought about what would happen if they failed !...... the truth would come out they still dont care because the black mind set is 100% jesus jesus jesus jesus ,,,,its going to take generations after generations to change this jesus lie

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Monday, October 6th 2014 at 4:30PM
DAVID JOHNSON
While you still following a ghost fictional character named jesus ,more information is out that proves that there was never a man on earth NAMED JESUS THE CHRIST ! NEVER !

Jesus Never Existed Says New Report That Finds No Mention Of Christ In 126 Historical Texts

Jesus never existed. That is the conclusion of a researcher who says he has combed 126 texts written during or shortly after the time Jesus is supposed to have lived — and found no mention of Jesus whatsoever.

The claim that Jesus, the messianic figure at the center of the world’s largest religion, Christianity, was simply a fictional character is not a new one. Advocates of the “Mythical Jesus” theory have been around for years, arguing that the story of Jesus bears a close resemblance to numerous other mythological stories of ancient gods who were born of virgin mothers and performed miracles.

In a new article entitled “The Fable of the Christ,” Michael Paulkovich summarizes his findings, or lack of findings, which lead him to believe that Jesus never actually existed, but is instead a fictional character, made up to give followers of the religion founded in his name a central icon worthy of their worship.

Paulkovich says that only one of the 126 texts he combed through contains any mention of Jesus — and that, he says, is a forgery. That text is the first-century history book The Jewish Wars by the Roman historian Josephus Flavius, who wrote his work in the year 95 CE.

But, despite making his home just one mile from Jesus’s supposed hometown of Nazareth, Josephus appears totally unaware of the famous miracle worker who later went to Jerusalem where he became such a political threat that the Romans found it necessary to execute him by crucifixion.

The few mentions of Jesus in The Jewish Wars, Paulkovich argues, were added by later editors, not by Josephus himself.

Otherwise, says the author, despite the remarkable feats Jesus is alleged to have performed and the great deal of political unrest caused by his arrival in Jerusalem, not a single writer from the time and place of Jesus’s life finds that Jesus so much as rates a footnote.

“Emperor Titus, Cassius Dio, Maximus, Moeragenes, Lucian, Soterichus Oasites, Euphrates, Marcus Aurelius, or Damis of Hierapolis. It seems none of these writers from first to third century ever heard of Jesus, global miracles and alleged worldwide fame be damned,” Paulkovich said in a recent interview.

The Dead Sea Scrolls, also known as the Qumran texts, also contain no mention of Jesus. Even the Apostle Paul, the New Testament figure credited with spreading the new religion that came to be called “Christianity” shortly after the supposed death of Jesus, never says that Jesus was a a real person — even in the Bible itself.

“Paul is unaware of the virgin mother, and ignorant of Jesus’ nativity, parentage, life events, ministry, miracles, apostles, betrayal, trial and harrowing passion,” Paulkovich states. “Paul knows neither where nor when Jesus lived, and considers the crucifixion metaphorical.”

While today Christianity has become the most popular religion in world history, with 2.2 billion human beings calling themselves Christians, Paulkovich points out that as late as the the Fourth Century, Christianity was still a small and widely persecuted cult.

The invention of a mythical figure for followers of the cult to rally around gave the early Christians the strength to survive, according to this theory. On the other hand, another recent advocate of the “Mythical Jesus” believes that Christ was invented by the Romans as propaganda to pacify the public.

“When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not — and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumran and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions,” Paulkovich writes, “I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character.”


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