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Pagan Sun Worship { Siebra your thoughts on this?}

Pagan Sun Worship { Siebra your thoughts on this?}

· Thursday, June 9th 2011 at 11:33PM · 916 views
At right is a pagan sun wheel in the temple at Kararak India, which is associated with occultism and astrology. It resembles a chariot wheel doesn't it?

Note the following verse-

2 Ki 23:11 And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which was in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire.

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When Israel apostatized, they made chariots dedicated to the sun god, who it was thought, traveled across the sky in a great chariot. Hence the origin of the sun wheel.

Siebra:

Here is your previous quote and perhaps Dr. Wesley Muhammad reference to the name Kiakiak maybe in fact be the worship of the Sun Wheel called Kararak?
Your quote:

Thank you both...Before posting this, I was watching a video on Youtube of Dr. Wesley Muhammad's lecture at the National Black Theatre in Harlem, in it he deals with P.N. Oak's claims.

Interesting thing is, in that lecture, he also talked about the sleeping Buddha in Asia, one of its names being Kiakiak. And here in North America was a so-called Native American Indian popularly known as Black Hawk. His tribal name was also Kiakiak.



This data explains sun-worship in more detail and yes the 10 lost tribes of Israel worshiped Baal, Ishtar, and Shamash. Some of the Native Americas Native Indians worshiped idolotry, particularly the Aztecs, Mayans. I stated in a previous blog that the Northern Kingdom was heavy into idol worship in the land of Israel after the split with the southern Kingdom (Judah, Benjamin, Levi) and brought this form of pagan worship to Arsareth (America) 2700 years ago.

Note reference material as follows:

The Akkadian Ishtar is also, to a greater extent, an astral deity, associated with the planet Venus: with Shamash, sun god, and Sin, moon god, she forms a secondary astral triad. In this manifestation her symbol is a star with 6, 8, or 16 rays within a circle. ...

Source: Encyclopedia Britannica Online, article on Ishtar.


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The Star of Ishtar

Because some astronomical objects move through the sky in repeated and known intervals of time, the behavior of the celestial gods associated with them can be symbolized numerically. Ishtar, as the planet Venus, perhaps was handled this way in the eight-pointed star that usually stands for her on Babylonian boundary stones.

References to Venus as early as 3000 BC are known from evidence at Uruk, an important early Sumerian city in southern Iraq. One clay tablet found at the site says "star Inanna," and another contains symbols for the words "star, setting sun, Inanna." Inanna is Venus, known later as Ishtar, and the Uruk tablets specify her celestial identity with the symbol for "star": an eight-pointed star.

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Comments (11)

Steve Williams Friday, June 10th 2011 at 8:07AM

It makes sense that the earliest forms of religion deified the heavenly bodies, the sun chief among them. We must put ourselves in their shoes to understand the ancients' observation of Nature, and what they made of it. The modern mind has trouble grasping this because of the current state of scientific knowledge. But look at how much superstition is still in vogue today. The religions followed today are rooted thousands of years in the past, and still corrupt otherwise scientific minds. And that is because the human mind has difficulty living with uncertainty. It is too hard to just say simply "I don't know".

Steve Williams Friday, June 10th 2011 at 8:10AM

And the modern religions have tried and failed innumerable times to answer the question, why does God allow evil?

Steve Williams Friday, June 10th 2011 at 9:42AM

But if God created Evil doesn't that make God evil?

Siebra Muhammad Friday, June 10th 2011 at 10:23AM

Hold that thought Jake...I'll be back with my verdict shortly!!!

Siebra Muhammad Friday, June 10th 2011 at 11:03AM

Jake, Dr. Wesley may or may not have been actually referring to the worship of the Sun Wheel called Kararak, however as Muslims we are told specifically by God in the Holy Qu'ran to not worship the moon, sun and stars, we are told to worship God and God only. Now there were pagans who took over Mecca (from the monotheists before the pagans even were there) and the pagans worshipped a number of different gods, including sun and moon gods, but this was not Islam.

Abraham who built the kabba in Mecca built it to worship God and God only, not a sun god nor moon god, the pagans sort of moved in after the fact. Then Prophet Muhammad cleansed the kabba of all those pagan idols and pagan gods and brought back the faith to the true God.

There is NO clear evidence that Muslims worship a sun god or moon god. Especially when there IS CLEAR EVIDENCE that God in the Quran says otherwise.

Siebra Muhammad Friday, June 10th 2011 at 11:19AM

Also, the Kaaba with its black stone, was revered well before the preaching of Islam by Prophet Muhammad. By the time of Prophet Muhammad, it was already associated with the Kaaba, a pre-Islamic shrine that was revered as a sacred sanctuary and a site of pilgrimage.

The black stone is there representing the black man, the lost seed of Abraham, through Ishmael's seed. Abraham set it up because he knew his seed would fall into a strange land for a time (slavery for 400+ years).

The idol worshipers (Hindus) in the time of Prophet Muhammad know that they are not Ishmael's seed but they lie, they lie just like the Jews lie about being the real children of Isreal.

Siebra Muhammad Friday, June 10th 2011 at 12:26PM

Correction, he rejected some forms of worship of Arabs that are rooted in pagan origins AS taught by Fard whom was of Arabic descent. This was done because many of the Blacks that were brought to North America during slavery were made pagan by their slavemasters and he wanted to restore Blacks to their ORIGINAL LOVE keeping the Most high first in what they did.

Also when Prophet Muhammad was raised to guide his people, he also taught them the correct way to pray (standing up with both hands pointed upright)!

Siebra Muhammad Friday, June 10th 2011 at 6:25PM

Naturally, the story of Ishmael in the Bible is of great interest to Muslims. So this particular issue comes up ever so often and the contradiction perceived from some less careful translations. In Genesis 16:16 we see that Abraham was 86 years old when Hagar bore Ishmael.

Abraham was 100 years old (and Sarah was 90) when Isaac was born. Since Abraham was 75 when he entered Canaan, the promise was fulfilled 25 years later. Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born, so Ishmael was 13 or 14 years old at this time.

There are no documentations on how old Hagar was when Ishmael was born. My analysis is that Hagar could have been the same age Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus (between 13 and 16) since that's the ages a young girl would marry in those days.

powell robert Tuesday, June 14th 2011 at 3:03PM

saint,

you and I both know that siebra contains, NO Islaamic Thought---

maybe as many of 'her kind' , like drWesMuhammad, have this infatuation with paganPharoahnism, Ok -- stay with pagans

but to blend that foolishness, with the greatness of Monotheistic Thought given by The Creator of Adaam(as) is a SHAME.............

but you ask her for an opinion?

I guess you enjoy cartoons..........

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Jake, when I first started to read this blog and saw the name India, I thought of a Buddhist practice in India (I don't know the name of this Buddhist practice) but they always go to a wheel shaped object that sounds like bells as they turn it is what came to my mind...interesting. (smile)

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

...OOPS ALMOST forgot the main point...The christians although this has been done so long most have not only forgoten it and most don't know it unless you can never stop wanting to learn. lol the Christians will never forgive the Muslims for messing up their almost total control of teh world. Yes educationis the magic bullet for getting free of a master and be in control of your own body and mind...that part most are not willing to do...the bible and most man made religion says women must be second class son't they? lol (smile)

good night for real tis time...see you tomorrow...

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