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FOR MANY LATINOS, RACIAL IDENTITY IS MORE CULTURE THAN COLOR (2992 hits)

NEW YORK TIMES, January 14, 2012 -- Every decade, the Census Bureau spends billions of dollars and deploys hundreds of thousands of workers to get an accurate portrait of the American population. Among the questions on the census form is one about race, with 15 choices, including “some other race.”

More than 18 million Latinos checked this “other” box in the 2010 census, up from 14.9 million in 2000. It was an indicator of the sharp disconnect between how Latinos view themselves and how the government wants to count them. Many Latinos argue that the country’s race categories — indeed, the government’s very conception of identity — do not fit them.

The main reason for the split is that the census categorizes people by race, which typically refers to a set of common physical traits. But Latinos, as a group in this country, tend to identify themselves more by their ethnicity, meaning a shared set of cultural traits, like language or customs.

So when they encounter the census, they see one question that asks them whether they identify themselves as having Hispanic ethnic origins and many answer it as their main identifier. But then there is another question, asking them about their race, because, as the census guide notes, “people of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin may be of any race,” and more than a third of Latinos check “other.”

This argument over identity has gained momentum with the growth of the Latino population, which in 2010 stood at more than 50 million. Census Bureau officials have acknowledged that the questionnaire has a problem, and say they are wrestling with how to get more Latinos to pick a race. In 2010, they tested different wording in questions and last year they held focus groups, with a report on the research scheduled to be released by this summer.

Some experts say officials are right to go back to the drawing table. “Whenever you have people who can’t find themselves in the question, it’s a bad question,” said Mary C. Waters, a sociology professor at Harvard who specializes in the challenges of measuring race and ethnicity.

The problem is more than academic — the census data on race serves many purposes, including determining the makeup of voting districts, and monitoring discriminatory practices in hiring and racial disparities in education and health. When respondents do not choose a race, the Census Bureau assigns them one, based on factors like the racial makeup of their neighborhood, inevitably leading to a less accurate count.

Latinos, who make up close to 20 percent of the American population, generally hold a fundamentally different view of race. Many Latinos say they are too racially mixed to settle on one of the government-sanctioned standard races — white, black, American Indian, Alaska native, native Hawaiian, and a collection of Asian and Pacific Island backgrounds.

Some regard white or black as separate demographic groups from Latino. Still others say Latinos are already the equivalent of another race in this country, defined by a shared set of challenges.

“The issues within the Latino community — language, immigration status — do not take into account race,” said Peter L. Cedeño, 43, a lawyer and native New Yorker born to Dominican immigrants. “We share the same hurdles.”

At a time when many multiracial Americans are proudly asserting their mixed-race identity, many Latinos, an overwhelmingly blended population with Indian, European, African and other roots, are sidestepping or ignoring questions of race.

Erica Lubliner, who has fair skin and green eyes — legacies of her Jewish father and her Mexican mother — said she was so “conflicted” about the race question on the census form that she left it blank.

Ms. Lubliner, a recent graduate of the medical school at the University of California, Los Angeles, in her mid-30s, was only 9 when her father died, and she grew up steeped in the language and culture of her mother. She said she has never identified with “the dominant culture of white.” She believes her mother is a mix of white and Indian. “Believe me, I am not a confused person,” she said. “I know who I am, but I don’t necessarily fit the categories well.”

Alejandro Farias, 23, from Brownsville, Tex., a supervisor for a freight company, sees himself simply as Latino. His ancestors came from the United States, Mexico and Portugal. When pressed, he checked “some other race.”

“Race to me gets very confusing because we have so many people from so many races that make up our genealogical tree,” he said.

Yet race matters. How Latinos identify themselves — and how the census counts them — affects the political clout of Latinos and other minority groups. Some studies have found that African-Latinos tend to be significantly more supportive of government-sponsored health care and much less supportive of the death penalty than Latinos who identify as white, a rift that is also found in the broader white and black populations.

This racial effect “weakens the political effectiveness of Latinos as a group,” said Gary M. Segura, a political science professor at Stanford who has conducted some of the research.

A majority of Latinos identify themselves as white. Among them is Fiordaliza A. Rodriguez, 40, a New York lawyer who says she considers herself white because “I am light-skinned” and that is how she is viewed in her native Dominican Republic.

But she says there is no question that she is seen as different from the white majority in this country. Ms. Rodriguez recalled an occasion in a courtroom when a white lawyer assumed she was the court interpreter. She surmised the confusion had to do with ethnic stereotyping, “no matter how well you’re dressed.”

Some of the latest research, however, shows that many Latinos — like Irish and Italian immigrants before them — drop the Latino label to call themselves simply “white.” Astudy published last year in the Journal of Labor Economics found that the parents of more than a quarter of third-generation children with Mexican ancestry do not identify their children as Latino on census forms.

Most of this ethnic attrition occurs among the offspring of parents or grandparents married to non-Mexicans, usually non-Hispanic whites. These Latinos tend to have high education, high earnings and high levels of English fluency. That means that many successful Latinos are no longer present in statistics tracking Latino economic and social progress across generations, hence many studies showing little or no progress for third-generation Mexican immigrants, said Stephen J. Trejo, an economist at the University of Texas at Austin and co-author of the study.

And a more recent study by University of Southern California researchers found that more than two million people, or 6 percent of those who claimed any type of Latin American ancestry on census surveys, did not ultimately identify as Latino or Hispanic. The trend was more prevalent among those of mixed parentage, who spoke only English and who identified as white, black or Asian when asked their race.

James Paine, whose father is half Mexican-American, said it never occurred to him to claim a Latino identity. Mr. Paine, 25, the owner of a real estate investment management company in La Jolla, Calif., spent summers with his Mexican-American aunt and attends his father’s big family reunions every year (his mother is white of Irish and French descent). But he says he does not speak Spanish or live in a Latino neighborhood.

“If the question is ‘What’s your heritage?’ I’d say Irish-Mexican,” he said. “But the question is ‘What are you?’ and the answer is I’m white.”

On the other side of the spectrum are black Latinos, who say they feel the sting of racism much the same as other blacks. A sense of racial pride has been emerging among many black Latinos who are now coming together in conferences and organizations.

Miriam Jimenez Roman, 60, a scholar on race and ethnicity in New York, says that issues like racial profiling of indigenous-looking and dark-skinned Latinos led her to appear in a 30-second public service announcement before the 2010 census encouraging Latinos of African descent to “check both: Latino and black.” “When you sit on the subway, you just see a black person, and that’s really what determines the treatment,” she said. The 2010 census showed 1.2 million Latinos who identified as black, or 2.5 percent of the Hispanic population.

Over the decades, the Census Bureau has repeatedly altered how it asks the race question, and on the 2010 form, it added a sentence spelling out that “Hispanic origins are not races.” The change helped steer 5 percent more Latinos away from “some other race,” with the vast majority of those choosing the white category.

Still, critics of the census questionnaire say the government must move on from racial distinctions based on 18th-century binary thinking and adapt to Americans’ sense of self.

But Latino political leaders say the risk in changing the questions could create confusion and lead some Latinos not to mark their ethnicity, shrinking the overall Hispanic numbers.

Ultimately, said Angelo Falcon, president of the National Institute for Latino Policy and chairman of the Census Advisory Committee on the Hispanic Population, this is not just a tussle over identity, it is a political battle, too.

“It comes down to what yields the largest numbers for which group,” he said.
Posted By: Richard Kigel
Saturday, January 14th 2012 at 9:25PM
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Again, an EXCELLENT reading and of great value

especially from the language/culture, that gave USA

jesus(transliteration) and negro(the color)



Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 8:32AM
powell robert
I think this is one more piece of evidence that shows how racial identity is more complicated than simple skin color--lots of other factors go into it including individual preference.


Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 11:09AM
Richard Kigel
“Race to me gets very confusing because we have so many people from so many races that make up our genealogical tree,” he (Alejandro Farias, 23, from Brownsville, Tex., ) said. ...

For me, I agree with the above comment from Farias which is why I use ethnicity most of the times rather than Race to define myself ... I believe like Brother Steve being there is only one Race... the Human Race. I think it makes life easier. The Government complicates most things when they try to define or get their hands in stuff.




Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 11:15AM
Jen Fad
Right, Jen--and put me in there too with you and Steve. There is ONE RACE: HUMAN!!!

Period.

Keep in mind the reason why government has to determine and tabulate the various ethnic and racial identities of our 300 billion citizens. Every ten years census data is used to form voting district boundary lines to insure than certain ethnic/racial groups are fairly represented.

That is the main reason why the information is so important.




Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 11:27AM
Richard Kigel
Saint Jake: Great point. I am with you on that! The idea of something called "race" is bogus. It is based on a fiction.

People generally identify themselves by many factors--their communities, language, religion, ethnic origin--and lots of other factors. But, in my opinion, everyone has the absolute right to associate themselves with whatever group they choose!!!


Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 12:18PM
Richard Kigel
Saint Jake: Exactly right.

My own two grandkids are in the same situation. They claim various ethnic identities--Irish/European heritage and Trinidad/West Indian heritage. They are bi-racial and are taught to celebrate that fact.
It is an added strength!!!



Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 2:10PM
Richard Kigel
@ Saint,

You forgot to mention that we are Humans and not Reptiles, Insects, or Aliens beings. I am an American who has a culture rooted in elements of Africanism thus, African American. I don't know anything about being an Israelite, but I am by faith a Catholic Christian so I will have to agree to disagree with you on that notion. I am above all a Human being that shares like things in common with all other humans ... the need for air, water, food, and shelter.





Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 2:29PM
Jen Fad
... However I do agree that skin color is something that causes confusion and I am trying to help my son to understand the differences... I was fortunate to check out a book from the library called, Shade of You which put the issue into context by talking about all the shades of people. I still have a ways to go, because my son see other people in shades rather than calling them by their name. He'll say mommy look at that brown boy. I get so embarrassed sometimes because he hasn't learned how to whisper.


Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 2:36PM
Jen Fad
Jen--OF course!!! What a fascinating response! Imagine--reporting on a person's actual color! Brown! That is exactly what he sees--a brown person.

Kids are totally honest. And he is also correct. The person's color was probably a shade of brown.

But what exactly does that mean? Is that the totality of who the person is? Does the fact that a person's skin is shaded in a certain tone tell you anything at all about the person, his values, his character, his heart--or even his family?

My two grandkids, Olivia and Chris have a white dad and a black mom. Their parents have taught them--wisely--to value and celebrate all aspects of their heritage. They view themselves as bi-racial because that is the most honest description of who they are. They are both.

As far as the heritage and ancestry that they value, they honor their Irish heritage--they have been to Ireland and visted with their dad's Irish family AND they have been to Trinidad with their mom's family to celebrate the West Indian part of their heritage.

The main thing in their lives is that they are part of a larger multi-racial family who loves and adores them. And that family love and support is what will live and grow in them and make them strong!!!





Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 3:47PM
Richard Kigel
@ Brother Rich,

Absolutely! Children can be trusted to say what they see and I do appreciate that about them. I have learned to embrace people's culture and values rather than trying to impose a particular set of values and culture upon them. It's wonderful that your grandchildren have been given room to embrace all that they are both Irish and West Indian. I feel its very important. Not meaning to cause further debate here, but as much as I love actress Halle Berry, I think she's got a real problem labeling her child as Black when her daughter has another entire French Canadian Heritage. It's ignorant and wrong on her part. Although slavery no longer exists in America... it does however still exists in the mind's of people and thus in Berry's heart. Nahla deserves to embrace and appreciate both her cultural heritages.


Moreover in certain societies like those in the North West Territories of Canada the Native People of the Land have suffered horrible breaches in their ethnic fabric when the Canadian Govt. attempted to indoctrinate them into Canadian society. Children were taken from their parents, families, communities, and way of life... to be hauled off to English speaking schools. They were forbidden to speak in their native langauges and severely punished if they did. Many of these children never saw their communities again. The Canadian Govt has since given a formal apology to its Aboriginal Peoples communities, but the trauma and damage is long lasting.





Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 4:26PM
Jen Fad
@ Saint,

I can appreciate and respect your view, but we are still all human beings which makes everyone have commonalities. An Israelite if he needs a blood transfusion can't possible know whether or not the blood he's receiving came from a Black, White, Brown, Or Yellow man. All that matters is that the Type and Cross Match done on his blood matches the blood donor's blood. I can't receive blood from a pig, but can receive from another human being irrespective of his Nationality or Ethnicity. What's important is that I receive the life saving treatment from another human. We can debate for days about who's right and who's wrong, but for me human is good.


Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 4:33PM
Jen Fad
This turned out to be a really interesting conversation. Love it!!!


Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 4:53PM
Richard Kigel
I second that Jake!
Sunday, January 15th 2012 at 5:16PM
Siebra Muhammad
@ Sister Irma,

I know right. I am trying to get him to learn people's names rather than merely knowing shades. At least he got that part down, but now for the learning of names and the getting to know children. Ha!


Tuesday, January 17th 2012 at 12:33AM
Jen Fad
...AND, SPEAAKING OF 'CONFUSION'...

here in Ca. where the majority race is Latino, the JELLO products now (the latest to) have English and Spanish written on it...

is it this way in your state? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
It is too bad, we must do every thing the hard way in order to avoid the truth/ facts...

Native-American is no more then what the person who "discovered' the peoples here and falsely named them INDIANS...something we must not allow these peoples to hold on to, correct?!? The Native-American's culture got lumped all into one also while they are as distinct as the English from the Germans and Euorpe is as different as Asia and the Middle-east.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Jen, please don't be too hard on your son...I have had a white friend of mine tell me about how she was in the emergancy room with her son and this lady swore up and down that she was lying about him being her son because his skin was too dark. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
and, the Native- American children in America were taken from them to be having the Indian taught out of them by our federal in many of their living life time...and lets not forget a few years ago how the Mormons in Tx. were takaenaway from their parents to achieve the same means to an end!

Yes, these are some of the reasons those ethnic classes must be banned from our public schools, because like me, the ylearn this in taking classes in the Native-American departments in college. I learnde about all of this in my lae 40s and these children today are learning this in the prime of their adult lives.(smile)

These relults of these teachings is that like Ameerica, CAnada is having to give back a lot ot the land taken from the Native-Americans by these illegal treaties...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Rich, here is a Native-American custom in their culture that could have come straight from the Bible about loving you neighbor as you love your self...

It is called Potlatch in Canada and I can't remember what it is called in south America (and a ew years ago the media ran a story on tis of how a man came hrere to work an dsend money home so he coould become mayor of his city...

AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE YEAR THER IS A CONTEST RUN TO SEE HOW MUCH OF YOU WEALTH YOU CAN GIVE AWAY TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE ONE WHO GIVES AWAY THE MOST IS THE HERO UNTIL THE NEXT TIME THIS IS DONE.

Now, I don't have to tell you that this has been going on for ,for ever but it must be banned, this giving unconditionally habit. LOL (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
I understand Jen. Children are not little adults and their memories is as long as two seconds. So give him a big hug for being such a bright young man. I would say hug and akiss but he problable believe he is too much of a big boy for kisses still.LOL (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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