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Now we know what an Identitarian is.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 12:54AM
Steve Williams
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If you really want to find out who is this person, you have my number.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 1:01AM
Steve Williams
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P.S. I've never voted for a Libertarian Party candidate, but I have voted for a Green Party candidate, who in 2012 advocated for government funded college education, who in 2016 was derided by the feckless Democratic Party, who were happy nevertheless to APPROPRIATE and ABUSE her 2012 proposal.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 1:11AM
Steve Williams
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Have some courage Ron, I don't bite.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 1:12AM
Steve Williams
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P.P.S. I'm unable to access your video.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 1:15AM
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I have sent no video for you to watch associated with this blog Steve and I never thought you bite. Is this a decent description or assessment of what a libertarian is?
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 10:43AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I see a link at the top of this blog post that says "play the clip using the stand-alone player". This link does not work, for me.
The text I see is not an accurate description of a Libertarian, for me. The number one reason I am REGISTERED Libertarian is because of ballot access laws.
Illinois Libertarians explain injustice of restrictive ballot access laws
https://www.lp.org/illinois-libertarians-e...
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 11:46AM
Steve Williams
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I have no idea why that link came up, Disregard that link there is no video in relationships to this blog.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 3:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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By the way Steve how many times have you read Ayn Rand novels, The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged?
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 8:00PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I've read both. I don't often read any novel more than once, and these two are no exception.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 9:15PM
Steve Williams
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How many times have you read them Ron?
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 9:17PM
Steve Williams
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The Fountainhead is my favorite, because that's what I am.
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 9:19PM
Steve Williams
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I'm very familiar with Ayn Rand works, I wrote a paper on both books in college.
Why did you like Fountainhead as your favorite?
Sunday, October 29th 2017 at 11:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Because I like architecture. Because I was one of the architects of the Internet, an innovator not an imitator. And in 2017 I like it because of President Donald J. Trump.
Trump described himself as an Ayn Rand fan. He said of her novel The Fountainhead, “It relates to business (and) beauty (and) life and inner emotions. That book relates to ... everything.” He identified with Howard Roark, the novel's idealistic protagonist who designs skyscrapers and rages against the establishment.
When I pointed out that The Fountainhead is in a way about the tyranny of groupthink, Trump sat up and said, “That’s what is happening here.” He then recounted a call he received from a liberal journalist: “How does it feel to have done what you have done? I said what have I done. He said nobody ever in the history of this country has done what you have done. And I said, well, if I lose, then no big deal. And he said no, no, if you lose, it doesn’t matter because this will be talked about forever.
"And I said it will be talked about more if I win.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/201...
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 8:52AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, can you tell me in what country in the world that libertarianism ever worked?
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 9:29AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The United States of America 🇺🇸
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 10:50AM
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Libertarian
1789, "one who holds the doctrine of free will"
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 2:48PM
Steve Williams
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In your own words, Please elaborate Steve.
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 3:33PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What is a libertarian?
Libertarian
LIBERTA'RIAN, adjective [Latin liber, free; libertas, liberty.]
Pertaining to liberty, or to the doctrine of free will, as opposed to the doctrine of necessity.
Remove from their mind libertarian prejudice.
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictiona...
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 6:27PM
Steve Williams
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You are no Webster. I asked you to elaborate what is a libertarian, using your own words and now you bring me Webster's words. WOW!!!
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 7:14PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm looking for original thinking from you Steve.
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 7:18PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Here's my original thought Ron. I'm not defined by you. Not compelled by you. I have free will to use Webster's words to describe myself, as "pertaining to liberty, or to the doctrine of free will, as opposed to the doctrine of necessity." I have free will to describe myself with the Buddha's words, "I am without limitation or hindrance."
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 8:07PM
Steve Williams
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Then, In your own words, Please elaborate Steve. Can you do that?
Monday, October 30th 2017 at 9:30PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Sure Ron. It means I'm a free man, not enslaved by party ideology and religious fatalism, as you are.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 7:01AM
Steve Williams
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Being a libertarian means that you are FREE. FREE to do what? You mentioned: " Trump described himself as an Ayn Rand fan. He said of her novel The Fountainhead, “It relates to business (and) beauty (and) life and inner emotions. That book relates to ... everything.” He identified with Howard Roark, the novel's idealistic protagonist who designs skyscrapers and rages against the establishment."
Now if you are using Trump as your roll model as a libertarian, can't you see that this so-called libertarian / republican administration has been under investigation from day one for lying against the people of The United States, can't you see that? Or do you want to see that?
Follow the money.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 11:16AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I don't have a roll model Ron, libertarian or otherwise. I cited Trump as a reason why in 2017, I like The Fountainhead and need to read it again.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 11:22AM
Steve Williams
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Being a libertarian means that you are FREE. FREE to do what? Freedom to often call for the restriction or to dissolve coercive social institutions.
Yes Sir, I would denounce Trump too as a role model too Steve because you too see the failing of Trump.
As the American people lose rights and freedoms under this libertarian / republican administration.
libertarians also views private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty, is that what you want Steve, to have the POWER AND FREEDOMS TO DO, TO TAKE MY PROPERTY AND THE FREE LANDS OF THE UNITED STATES, TO CONVERT THOSE LANDS TO PRIVATE USE, TO PRESERVE YOUR FREEDOMS AND YOUR WAY OF LIFE?
That is not what the founding fathers wanted for this country.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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No Ron, I did not denounce Donald J. Trump in any way, shape, or form. I love President Trump.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:39PM
Steve Williams
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Being libertarian means my mind is free. Your mind Ron is not.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:41PM
Steve Williams
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Being libertarian does not mean I view property as a barrier to freedom and liberty. Speak for yourself.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:45PM
Steve Williams
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Being libertarian does not mean being lawless. I subscribe to the Constitution of the United States of America 🇺🇸
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:48PM
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And lastly, you have no clue what the founding fathers wanted for this country.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 2:51PM
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YOUR WORDS: No Ron, I did not denounce Donald J. Trump in any way, shape, or form. I love President Trump.
What makes you love Trump?
YOUR WORDS: Being libertarian means my mind is free. Your mind Ron is not.
You still have not answered my question: Being a libertarian means that you are FREE. FREE to do what?
YOUR WORDS: Being libertarian does not mean I view property as a barrier to freedom and liberty. Speak for yourself.
Steve, according to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the reference point which you love to quote:
" Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,[7] such as in land, infrastructure and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists,[8] seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.
This is apart of the libertarian platform or definition.
An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists and anarcho-capitalists propose to completely eliminate the state.[13][14]
Which one are you?
YOUR WORDS: Being libertarian does not mean being lawless. I subscribe to the Constitution of the United States of America 🇺🇸.
Ayn Rand don't, who's ideology runs strong all throughout the philosophy of libertarianism which you claim to be. So Steve, you are saying that you are not a die hard libertarian?
YOUR WORDS: And lastly, you have no clue what the founding fathers wanted for this country.
Steve, Coming to the service of this country that I love, even with people like yourself in it, I was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to uphold what I believe what the founding fathers wanted for this country. I just want to highlight "WILLING TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE."
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 3:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Which one am I? None of the above.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 4:38PM
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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizens’ protection against the government.
“The Nature of Government,”
The Virtue of Selfishness, 114
Ours was the first government based on and strictly limited by a written document—the Constitution—which specifically forbids it to violate individual rights or to act on whim. The history of the atrocities perpetrated by all the other kinds of governments—unrestricted governments acting on unprovable assumptions—demonstrates the value and validity of the original political theory on which this country was built.
“Censorship: Local and Express,”
Philosophy: Who Needs It, 181
A complex legal system, based on objectively valid principles, is required to make a society free and to keep it free—a system that does not depend on the motives, the moral character or the intentions of any given official, a system that leaves no opportunity, no legal loophole for the development of tyranny.
The American system of checks and balances was just such an achievement. And although certain contradictions in the Constitution did leave a loophole for the growth of statism, the incomparable achievement was the concept of a constitution as a means of limiting and restricting the power of the government.
“The Nature of Government,”
The Virtue of Selfishness, 113
The clause giving Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce is one of the major errors in the Constitution. That clause, more than any other, was the crack in the Constitution’s foundation, the entering wedge of statism, which permitted the gradual establishment of the welfare state. But I would venture to say that the framers of the Constitution could not have conceived of what that clause has now become. If, in writing it, one of their goals was to facilitate the flow of trade and prevent the establishment of trade barriers among the states, that clause has reached the opposite destination.
“Censorship: Local and Express,”
Philosophy: Who Needs It, 184
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/constitu...
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 4:48PM
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Back - up for a moment. Steve, did you understand what I said to you?
YOUR WORDS: And lastly, you have no clue what the founding fathers wanted for this country.
Steve, Coming to the service of this country that I love, even with people like yourself in it, I was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to uphold what I believe what the founding fathers wanted for this country. I just want to highlight "WILLING TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE."
Help me, to understand you! You are going to make an allegation that, your words: "And lastly, you have no clue what the founding fathers wanted for this country," and when I correct your last thoughts, then you want to run away from my living history as proof that I have better then a CLUE what the founding fathers wanted for this country.
Do you think I have enough proof?
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 5:18PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I didn't run away from anything Ron. You threw a barrage of questions at me and I answered 2. To answer your last question then. Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders. Let's take George Washington, since President Trump correcly predicted there would be those who would try to erase him from our American 🇺🇸 history, and now we have the Episcopal Church, CHRIST CHURCH, doing just that!
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 5:55PM
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"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
FAREWELL ADDRESS | SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 1796
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 6:01PM
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Is THIS what you are willing to die for Ron?
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 6:03PM
Steve Williams
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Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders.
How do you know this Steve?
Let's take George Washington, since President Trump correcly predicted there would be those who would try to erase him from our American 🇺🇸 history, and now we have the Episcopal Church, CHRIST CHURCH, doing just that!
I 'am sorry Steve, run on back to this conversation, on this blog is not about The Episcopal Church! (LOL)
OH!!! I love this FAREWELL ADDRESS but that too is a distraction from this topic.
I really want you to focus on what you said, OK?
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 6:31PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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How you know this, "what the founding fathers wanted for this country". Give me one quote of ONE founder and let's see what you know.
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 7:10PM
Steve Williams
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No! No! Steve, it was you who made this allegation that, I have no clue of what the founding fathers wanted and I told you that I believe I know what the founding Fathers wanted so much, I was "WILLING TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE." With my life.
Just to think of it, I fought for your rights of Free speech to say this foolish statement: "Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders
Foolish man, I and every other serviceman and servicewoman was trained to protect the rights and the Freedoms of every Man, Woman and Child, who is an American citizen, that includes you and yours, according to the founding fathers.
Do you think I have enough proof?
Tuesday, October 31st 2017 at 8:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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No Ron, it's not sufficient proof that you understand the Constitution, that you were in the Army during the Vietnam War. I was 17 years old when that war ended, so of course I didn't fight in it. That doesn't give you some kind of moral superiority on questions of history and law and government. Here is my proof. You wail about the tax plan, that it's going to take from the poor and give to the rich. That's an absurd claim, that NO Founding Father would ever have supported. No Founding Father would EVER have supported the 1913 income tax law. And if you put your life on the line to defend the 1913 income tax law, that was your choice, but not one that I would have made even If I had been of age.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 2:14AM
Steve Williams
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Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders.
Steve, if it wasn't for the knowledge and for the love of the Constitution, I would not made that decision to leave everything I knew and loved, to go to a foreign country under the Gerald Ford administration, risked all that I had, "MY LIFE" so, all Americans can have FREEDOM. if I did not believe, loved and understood what the Constitution is, I may not have gone.
I love your pitiful excuse of being only 17 years old, that was about the time I finished High School and I was excepted into Service to The United States of America. So please, spare me that one please. What happen when you turned 18 or 19 the Armed Forces still needed able bodies, to fill the vacancies left when the Vietnam Vets came home?
Let me tell you something and I want you to understand me well. This country is my country and this country is your country, one thing out of many, the United States citizen are asked to do, is pay taxes, so the country can pay its bills.
This too was the provisions and the powers the the founding fathers made real clear under Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: Spending Clause, The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Défense and general Welfare of the United States.... and if you had a better grasp of the intent of the founding fathers, you too would have a greater appreciation of the Constitution.
Now we can get into the history of the 1913 and how the rich complained that they was paying to much in taxes, at a later time. I just wanted you to know that I can pass a Constitution Test if need be. Also, don’t you ever tell me no BULL💩 like this again: YOUR WORDS: Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 10:42AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Let's set the record straight Ron. In 1980-1981 I applied to the United States Air Force Officer Training Program. I was qualified for that program because I had gotten my B.A. in 1979. I knew I wouldn't qualify for pilot training because of my eyesight so I applied for navigator. I went through the whole process, passed every test, until the final one when I failed the hearing test. Don't you lecture me on patriotism!
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 11:15AM
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"libertarians also views private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty, is that what you want Steve, to have the POWER AND FREEDOMS TO DO, TO TAKE MY PROPERTY AND THE FREE LANDS OF THE UNITED STATES, TO CONVERT THOSE LANDS TO PRIVATE USE, TO PRESERVE YOUR FREEDOMS AND YOUR WAY OF LIFE?
"That is not what the founding fathers wanted for this country."
When the income tax was instituted by the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913, the founders were long gone. It was "not what the founding fathers wanted for this country".
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 11:40AM
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How is it from what you said has anything to do with your statement of: Service to you"r country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders?"
Thank you for your attempt to serve this country.
Trump would not like you very much because he loves HERO's. Isn't that what Trump told the world about John McCain? Another man who did not serve this country, passing judgement on another who did. WOW!!!
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 11:48AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You've got a couple subjects in front of you Ron.
1. What Ayn Rand thought of the Constitution.
2. What the Founding Fathers wanted for this United States of America 🇺🇸 versus what the States decided in 1913.
And if you need another one,
3. What the Founding Fathers wanted for this United States of America 🇺🇸 regarding War and Conscription.
Since you know so much about the founders.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 1:28PM
Steve Williams
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I know that Ayn Rand's concept of governing is not complete, self centered and have never worked in any country in the world, including The United States of America. It have been proven that the rich in this country will not help the poor and don't like paying a fair share in tax's
As far as, what the Founding Fathers wanted for this United States of America. One main issue that the founding Fathers wanted for the country was? They understood that the citizens should have a say in their government and that the government only derives its legitimate power from the consent of the governed.
Steve, when Thomas Jefferson penned those timeless, eloquent words of freedom in the Declaration of Independence it sent political shock waves, a shot heard around the world that continue to reverberate in the minds of revolutionaries everywhere and for all times, which made is country a superpower in modern times.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
These words still sparks energy throughout my being when I wrote those words in response to you.
Steve, did you see my question to you? Did you understand what I am asking you?
How is it from what you said has anything to do with your statement of: Service to you"r country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders?" I want to know what your purpose was by saying such words?
Service to your country is not the same as understanding the thoughts of the founders.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:10PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Libertarian comes from Liberty.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends..." e.g Liberty. The two-party system has destroyed Liberty, and you are complicit Ron, no matter your service in War.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:29PM
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Look at you Ron. THE RESISTANCE!!! ONE YEAR LATER AND YOU STILL WANT NOTHING MORE THAN TO OVERTURN THE HIGHEST LAW OF THE LAND, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 🇺🇸!!!
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:38PM
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P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
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Steve, did you understand these words: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Steve, This is what I am about! That what you are talking about in bold letters, don't require comment. Excuse Me...
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 6:55PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Your quote itself proves that the Southern States' secession was lawful. As does the Constitution itself.
First, three of the original thirteen states-Virginia, New York, and Rhode Island-ratified the U.S. Constitution only conditionally. Each of these states explicitly retained the right to secede. By accepting the right of these three states to leave the Union, has the United States not tacitly accepted the right of any state to leave?
Second, over the years numerous states have nullified acts of the central government judged to be unconstitutional. These instances where national laws have been nullified give credence to the view that the compact forming the Union has already been breached and that states are morally and legally free to leave.
Third, and most importantly, the U.S. Constitution does not forbid a state from leaving the Union. According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede.
http://vermontrepublic.org/the-constitutio...
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 7:13PM
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P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous.
Think About it.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 7:46PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I keep coming back to this claim of yours.
"That is not what the founding fathers wanted for this country."
Let me list another subject that you are now avoiding.
4. What was the intent of the Founding Fathers regarding Secession?
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 7:56PM
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The so-called Civil War was just one of MANY unjust wars waged by the United States of America 🇺🇸
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 8:00PM
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Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous. Don't you think so?
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 9:00PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I said nothing about slavery, nor any other cause of secession. I also think Vietnam was an unjust war, but I still stand with hand over heart, when we remember ALL who served and died, when our flag is displayed and the anthem is played. The fact is Ron, in 2017 the United States of America 🇺🇸 is far removed from "what the founding fathers wanted." And not least of the proof, is your disrespect for the President and the Constitutional process of the "founding fathers" that LAWFULLY installed him in office.
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 3:04AM
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P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
Is this YOU?
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 10:00AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I respect warriors because I respect bravery, and I respect history. There was nothing honorable about the Vietnam War, but there was much bravery.
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 12:21PM
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The question is:
P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
Is this YOU?
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 1:02PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Since you want to talk about white supremacist, a far cry from libertarian, explain what you mean by "Is this YOU?"
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 3:06PM
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Did you post this:
P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
Is this YOU?
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 6:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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If my name and photo appear Ron, you can be sure it's ME.
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 7:10PM
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Since this is what you posted: P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
My response to your posting was this: Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous. Don't you think so?
WELL!!!!
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 7:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I didn't say fighting to maintain slavery was courageous. I said nothing about slavery. I said nothing about white supremacy. I did say that President Lincoln acted unconstitutionally by declaring war against those States that seceded.
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 8:03PM
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Steve, you did not say anything about President Lincoln acted unconstitutionally by declaring war against those States that seceded.
I didn't say fighting to maintain slavery was courageous." Robert E. Lee though fighting to maintain slavery was courageous."
I said nothing about slavery. " Robert E. Lee though killed many Americans for what he believed about slavery.
So now you are saying: I did say that President Lincoln acted unconstitutionally by declaring war against those States that seceded. As you see President Lincoln was correct to make this country, UNITED by breaking up and outlawing slavery.
Don't you think so?
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 11:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Here's what I said Ron, which you have yet to refute. True, I did not explicitly reference President Lincoln, but you are a smart guy. If secession is Constitutional then Lincoln acted unconstitutionally. Duh.
Your quote itself proves that the Southern States' secession was lawful. As does the Constitution itself.
First, three of the original thirteen states-Virginia, New York, and Rhode Island-ratified the U.S. Constitution only conditionally. Each of these states explicitly retained the right to secede. By accepting the right of these three states to leave the Union, has the United States not tacitly accepted the right of any state to leave?
Second, over the years numerous states have nullified acts of the central government judged to be unconstitutional. These instances where national laws have been nullified give credence to the view that the compact forming the Union has already been breached and that states are morally and legally free to leave.
Third, and most importantly, the U.S. Constitution does not forbid a state from leaving the Union. According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede.
http://vermontrepublic.org/the-constitutio...
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 7:13PM
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Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 7:27AM
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The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] It expresses the principle of federalism and states' rights, which strictly supports the entire plan of the original Constitution for the United States of America, by stating that the federal government possesses only those powers delegated to it by the United States Constitution. All remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people.
The amendment was proposed by Congress in 1789 during its first term following the Constitutional Convention and ratification of the Constitution. It was considered by many members as a prerequisite of such ratification[2] particularly to satisfy demands by the Anti-Federalism movement that opposed the creation of a stronger U.S. federal government.
In drafting this amendment, its framers had two purposes in mind: first, as a necessary rule of construction; and second, as a reaffirmation of the nature of the federal system of freedom.[3][4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amen...
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 7:45AM
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What is a libertarian?
......Based on 'blackHebrewIsraelite' deacon and selfProfessed 'whiteMan' steveAdams Writings here
I believe the Majority of Libertarians are 'blackPeople'....... 'whitePeople'
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Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 8:13AM
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The Tenth Amendment is similar to an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."[6] After the Constitution was ratified, South Carolina Representative Thomas Tudor Tucker and Massachusetts Representative Elbridge Gerry separately proposed similar amendments limiting the federal government to powers "expressly" delegated, which would have denied implied powers.[7] James Madison opposed the amendments, stating that "it was impossible to confine a Government to the exercise of express powers; there must necessarily be admitted powers by implication, unless the Constitution descended to recount every minutia."[7] When a vote on this version of the amendment with "expressly delegated" was defeated, Connecticut Representative Roger Sherman drafted the Tenth Amendment in its ratified form, omitting "expressly."[8] Sherman's language allowed for an expansive reading of the powers implied by the Necessary and Proper Clause.[8][9]
When he introduced the Tenth Amendment in Congress, James Madison explained that many states were eager to ratify this amendment, despite critics who deemed the amendment superfluous or unnecessary:
I find, from looking into the amendments proposed by the State conventions, that several are particularly anxious that it should be declared in the Constitution, that the powers not therein delegated should be reserved to the several States. Perhaps words which may define this more precisely than the whole of the instrument now does, may be considered as superfluous. I admit they may be deemed unnecessary: but there can be no harm in making such a declaration, if gentlemen will allow that the fact is as stated. I am sure I understand it so, and do therefore propose it.[10]
The states decided to ratify the Tenth Amendment, and thus declined to signal that there are unenumerated powers in addition to unenumerated rights.[11][12] The amendment rendered unambiguous what had previously been at most a mere suggestion or implication.
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 8:30AM
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Bottom line, the United States of America 🇺🇸 is in irreversible decline. It will never be "United Again."
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 9:07AM
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Steve, not once have you addressed in your reply what Robert E. Lee stood for but yet you LIED on president Lincoln in order to distract from the main purpose for the civil war and the was the freeing of slavery in this country.
These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
I like to highlight this from what you wrote: "Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
You respect Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy." Robert E. Lee and the Confederacy was about maintaining their white privilege to keep and to hold the black man, the black woman and the children in the form of slavery as a way of life.
It is not my intent or my conversation to engage in the Tenth Amendment which was ratified on December 15, 1791.The Civil War began April 12, 1861 and ended May 9, 1865, which the civil war was fought over some 70 years afterward, which is not my conversation, that was your LIE that you introduce to this conversation Steve.
Bottom line, the United States of America 🇺🇸 is in irreversible decline. It will never be "United Again."
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 9:07AM
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Anytime you have white supremacist and neo- Nazis marching together in in unity with the Nazi flag and the confederate flag marching to uphold the memoirs of Robert E Lee and his mission to stand for the right to own slaves is appalling in modern times.
Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous. Don't you think so?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 10:15AM
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I've answered YOUR question Ron. What is a Libertarian?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 11:57AM
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That was not my last question I had for you Steve.
Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous. Don't you think so?
That's it!!!
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 12:52PM
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No Ron, I don't think so. There are no emboldened white supremacists on BIA, and the only one on BIA saying that the Civil War was about slavery is YOU.
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 1:39PM
Steve Williams
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Then what, was the Robert E. Lee part in the Civil War was all about?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 2:15PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What did you mean by this statement:
These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
What are you saying here on Black In American?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 3:26PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You mean what am I saying here on your twitter feed? I've been here on BIA for 8 1/2 years Ron, while you've been hawking your wares here on BIA for less than half that time. You've got nothing on me, understand?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 5:12PM
Steve Williams
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It is not my intent to have anything on you Steve. Could it be the simplicity of this question:
What did you mean by this statement:
These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
What are you saying here on Black In America?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 6:20PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
What are you saying here on Black In America?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 6:20PM
Deacon Ron Gray
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I say...." P.S. I DO NOT respect ALL of those racistlyIgnorant paganChristian Americans
who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee, his slaves
and the racistlyIgnorant soldiers of the Confederacy and their EVIL purpose . "
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 6:36PM
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See Steve, even Robert gave an answer.
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 6:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Here's my simple answer Ron. 758 hits, 29 likes.
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 8:06PM
Steve Williams
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All you did their was to show how how Shame you are of your own words. Just take a look at what you said and now running like hell from:
These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
What are you saying here on Black In America?
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 8:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Here's what I'm saying Ron. Just like you I'm playing the numbers game. Your viewers are eating it up. You've got another hit show.
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 8:46PM
Steve Williams
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If is that is true, then you are truly the star of this show. WOW!!!
Friday, November 3rd 2017 at 10:10PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm afraid not Ron. I still haven't been able to get one of "them" to make a peep.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 12:28AM
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Those 31 "likes" sure as hell aren't for "me".
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 12:31AM
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All you did their was to show how Shame you are of your own words. Just take a look at what you said and now running like hell from:
These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Focus on these last words of yours: "Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
What are you saying here on Black In America? Is this your support of Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy?"
Have you came to Black In America to show your support to Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy?"
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 9:12AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The last thing I am is ashamed. What I think Ron is that you know nothing about the Civil War but knowing nothing about a subject never gets in the way of you talking as if you do. How many BOOKS have you read on the subject?
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 10:30AM
Steve Williams
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Why are you now, ducking your own words: hese are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Focus on these last words of yours: "Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
What are you saying here on Black In America? Is this your support of Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy?"
Have you came to Black In America to show your support to Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy?"
That's all I asked you Steve.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 12:14PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I came here in 2009 Ron, and it wasn't to show my support for Robert E. Lee OR ANYONE ELSE.
P.S. I NEVER USED THE WORD "SUPPORT"
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 2:13PM
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I came here in 2009 Ron, and it wasn't to show my support for Robert E. Lee OR ANYONE ELSE.
P.S. I NEVER USED THE WORD "SUPPORT"
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 2:13PM
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.....thank you for your support..mr.Williams...Robert E. Powell
BUT aren't we ALL Libertarians?
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 2:53PM
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Then why did you post these words of yours: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
Why did you post these words Steve?
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 3:22PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm here Ron. I'm thinking.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 6:00PM
Steve Williams
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You are not this slow, are you? I will stand by.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 7:09PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm thinking about Robert's 3 questions over the past 2 days. I'll take as much time as I need.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 8:29PM
Steve Williams
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Sorry Steve but Robert made a statement to your response. Answer my question about your comment: Then why did you post these words of yours: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
Why did you post these words Steve?
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 8:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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This is BIA Ron. There are THREE questions on the floor from a senior BIA commentator, that deserve consideration, and I have answered YOUR question numerous times already.
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 11:23PM
Steve Williams
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I must have missed what you wrote about this: Then why did you post these words of yours: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
Steve Williams | delete | block member
I must have missed your answer, what was it?
Saturday, November 4th 2017 at 11:44PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You didn't miss it Ron, you ignored it.
Since this is what you posted: P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
My response to your posting was this: Steve, It’s irresponsible & dangerous, especially when white supremacists feel emboldened, to make fighting to maintain slavery sound courageous. Don't you think so?
WELL!!!!
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 7:39PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I didn't say fighting to maintain slavery was courageous. I said nothing about slavery. I said nothing about white supremacy. I did say that President Lincoln acted unconstitutionally by declaring war against those States that seceded.
Thursday, November 2nd 2017 at 8:03PM
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Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 3:49AM
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You foolish acting man. I never once asked you about what you did not say period, that is not answering my question to you.
What I' am asking you to answer is what you did say:
Then why did you post these words of yours: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
HIGHLIGHTS: Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy. Why did you write these words?
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 9:46AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You are correct Robert, we are all libertarians.
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 10:50AM
Steve Williams
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Hey Ron, did you see Donna Brazile just now on This Week?
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 10:54AM
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Hey Steve, try answering my question, instead of trying change the subject.
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 12:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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So Steve, is that all you got? It comes down changing the subject. WOW!!!
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 8:08PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy.
Wednesday, November 1st 2017 at 5:44PM
So Steve, is that all you got? It comes down changing the subject on your own words, now you don't want to stand up for your own words. Steve, if you don't stand up to explain what you said, how in the world do you expect someone else too. WOW!!!
That is truly a low bar in life to be at. I will pray for you.
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 8:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Don't belittle the power of prayer Ron. Prayer is not for winning stupid arguments.
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 9:26PM
Steve Williams
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You are right especially when a prayer is about somebody who can't stand by his own words. Misanthrope people like yourself, just don't get it.
Sunday, November 5th 2017 at 9:58PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Misanthrope is for someone who can't explain what 44 LIKES is about.
Monday, November 6th 2017 at 12:41AM
Steve Williams
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Who or what are these spectators cheering?
Monday, November 6th 2017 at 12:49AM
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If you were a philanthrope you'd pick up the phone and give me a call.
Monday, November 6th 2017 at 1:09AM
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Douglas Southall Freeman:
R. E. Lee
Robert E. Lee is one of the larger-than‑life figures in American history, and a key figure at a defining period of that history, yet despite a fair amount of superficial interest in him, the Web had very little serious material on his life. This site repairs that: Douglas Freeman's biography, in its 4 volumes and 2421 pages, is not only comprehensive, but remains to this day the best life of Lee ever published, even if sometimes producing the impression the man could walk on water; at any rate, in this equally defining period of our history, I felt that bringing it online was both useful and appropriate.
For technical details on how the site is laid out, see below.
I am not a historian, and certainly not a military expert: what you have in front of you is thus a simple transcription.
Freeman felt the need to point out in his foreword that the last thing he wished to do was to glorify war. I in turn will point out that I hold no brief for any romanticized view of secession. Yet although I was born in Switzerland and have only lived six months in the American South, my view is substantially Lee's (see Vol. IV, Chapter 17). As an American constitutional problem, that question remains unsolved: solution by arms is hardly testimony to the rule of law.
Thus the War between the States was a disaster for America, for all the obvious reasons, but also, not least, because it created a very dangerous precedent: had I lived at the time, I would fervently have wished that Lee's honor might have found any other way out of its dilemma. Lee's tragedy, and ours as Americans, was that he held firmly and correctly to Duty, Honor, Country — when "Country", thru a failure of the framers of our Constitution, had not been defined.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gaze...
Monday, November 6th 2017 at 9:48AM
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Was Robert E. Lee purpose in fighting for the Confederacy, was to maintain the southern way of life in slavery?
Tuesday, November 7th 2017 at 5:44PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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No it wasn't. Robert E. Lee freed his father-in-law's slaves in 1862.
Tuesday, November 7th 2017 at 7:58PM
Steve Williams
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Robert E. Lee wanted to free my people some, five years more, after the death of his father-in-law.
Steve, for me, what did you mean, when you posted this: These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
I really want to know why?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 3:18PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Robert E. Lee was the executor of his father-in-law's estate, who in his will had stated that his slaves were to be freed in 5 years.
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 3:52PM
Steve Williams
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What I would like to know is why your likes only go up when you tweet updates.
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 3:54PM
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OK!!! I can see that. First Steve, for me, what did you mean, when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
I really want to know why?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 4:26PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Now we are going to the Will of George Washington Parke Custis, why?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 6:13PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I thought you knew who he was.
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 7:19PM
Steve Williams
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How does this helps your case why you posted when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this helps your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 7:37PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You are the only one with a case Ron. You have yet to prove that Robert E. Lee fought to defend slavery.
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 7:58PM
Steve Williams
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I never brought Robert E. Lee, to this blog Steve, you did, don't you remember?
NEWS FLASH... How does this help your case why you posted when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this help your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 12:40PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Here's my case Ron. The reason why you made an issue that it took 5 years for Robert E. Lee to emancipate those slaves is because you are too lazy to study history.
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 1:29PM
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What!!! NEWS FLASH... How does this help your case why you posted when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this help your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 3:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Wow Ron, it was less than 24 hours ago and you have already forgotten your question?
Now we are going to the Will of George Washington Parke Custis, why?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 6:13PM
Deacon Ron Gray
I thought you knew who he was.
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 7:19PM
Steve Williams | delete
How does this helps your case why you posted when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this helps your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Wednesday, November 8th 2017 at 7:37PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 4:47PM
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How does this helps your case to tell me why you posted these words?
How does this help your case why you posted when you posted this? : "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this help your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 5:44PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm talking about this question.
"Now we are going to the Will of George Washington Parke Custis, why?"
Thursday, November 9th 2017 at 11:21PM
Steve Williams
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That is right, Now you want to being up the Will of George Washington Parke Custis, why?"
I want to know why you posted this? These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this help your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
I see that you have not found any words to explain why you brought those words to Black In America, why is that?
Steve, we all know, that, what you want to talk about is Pure BULL💩, a smoke screen, a con, a deception and you really want to misdirect this conversation from these words of yours" " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
How does this help your case why you posted those words? Is this what libertarians do?
Focus your attention right here on those words of yours and if you don't, we all will know what kind of person you are.
"First Steve, for me, what did you mean, when you posted this: "These are your words: " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
I really want to know why?
Friday, November 10th 2017 at 12:41AM
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First of all Ron, respect for a soldier is common sense. My "case" is about your ignorance of the cause of the War Between the States. Your ignorance that says the General that led the Confederate States of America, who freed slaves in the middle of that war, was fighting to defend slavery.
Friday, November 10th 2017 at 9:45AM
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What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for?
Did you know that this man was not a citizen of the United States of America?
Gen. Robert E. Lee In 1865, after the war, Lee was paroled and signed an oath of allegiance, asking to have his citizenship of the United States restored. Lee's application was misplaced; as a result, he did not receive a pardon and his citizenship was not restored.
So, why are you supporting a man who fought against the United States of America?
Sunday, November 19th 2017 at 12:29PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Support? Where'd you pull that from Ron?
Sunday, November 19th 2017 at 4:24PM
Steve Williams
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Support!!! Steve, are these your words that you wrote?: P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
Where did I pull this from, YOUR VERY OWN WORDS.
What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for?
Sunday, November 19th 2017 at 7:59PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Respect and support are two different things. If Chicago were to erect a statue of Deacon Ron Gray, Vietnam War veteran, I would know that he deserves respect, but it doesn't mean I would support him.
Sunday, November 19th 2017 at 8:20PM
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The question was: " What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for? "
Sunday, November 19th 2017 at 9:01PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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He was fighting for the state of Virginia, a member state of the Confederate States of America, for their right to self-determination.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 4:45AM
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Just as his father had fought in the American Revolution for the same right.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 4:47AM
Steve Williams
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Was part of this fighting for the state of Virginia, a member state of the Confederate States of America, for their right to self-determination, included OWNING SLAVES?
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 9:57AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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There were some who said so. You can see their words at the Wikipedia article.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 10:34AM
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I am not talking to some who said so. Can you say "SLAVERY?"
I am talking to a person who call himself "Steve Williams" while on Black In America.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 11:12AM
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That's correct Ron. Steve Williams lives 150+ years after the events you claim to know so much about. But Steve Williams has not studied the causes of the Confederate States of America, nearly enough to be as certain of the truth as you are. P.S. I have made no statement of support for causes. I have said I RESPECT Robert E. Lee and the monuments memorializing him.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 11:23AM
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You must have just got off the boat, for you not to know what the Confederate States was fighting for. Yes their way of life was to prefer SLAVERY as their way of life. The Confederate States lost that war Steve. By the way Steve, you did not have to live life some 150 plus years to know what the Confederate States way of life was all about. All you have, to have is a working command of The Constitution of The United States of America and taken The Constitution of The United States of America test in 8th grade and then again in your senior year in High School. That education would have lasted the rest of your life. Now if you did not get that far in education, I am sorry for your dim education.
I never said that you supported Gen. Robert E. Lee. My question to you was: What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for?
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 1:00PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Excuse me Ron, but it's you who is ignorant of the Constitution. I have ancestors who lived in Texas at the time they seceded, and that secession was legal. President Lincoln was wrong to declare it illegal.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 2:57PM
Steve Williams
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You think Lincoln had some noble mission. He didn't, it was all about economics. The Northern states needed the agricultural production of the Southern states. It was purely Nothern self interest.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 3:01PM
Steve Williams
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My question to you was: What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for?
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 3:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Your question is a subterfuge. I've already told you the Confederate States of America were fighting for their sovereignty.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 3:28PM
Steve Williams
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Did that also include SLAVERY Steve?
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 3:37PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Your misconception is that the citizens of those Southern states were all one monolithic identity. That misconception doesn't exist for a Libertarian. You Ron are a Democrat, and among your people that misconception is rampant. Ask the individual citizens of those Southern states why they fought for their sovereignty.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 5:00PM
Steve Williams
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I asked you about one thing, "Did fighting for their sovereignty also include SLAVERY Steve?"
These are your words Steve, I can't make this up: "Your misconception is that the citizens of those Southern states were all one monolithic identity. That misconception doesn't exist for a Libertarian. You Ron are a Democrat, and among your people that misconception is rampant. Ask the individual citizens of those Southern states why they fought for their sovereignty."
Just look at your last line. Steve, you are asking me to talk to the dead, why would I do that? When I have you Steve?
Still trying to find ways to duck this question: "Did that also include SLAVERY Steve?"
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 8:10PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Your question is only to get hits Ron. You can look up the answer easily enough. I did.
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 9:11PM
Steve Williams
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What is a libertarian?
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AGIAN......We are ALL LIBERTARIANS......as our comments show......
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"..Your misconception..........duck this question: "Did that also include SLAVERY.....?"
Monday, November 20th 2017 at 8:10PM
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---- deacon of 'blackHebrewIsraelite'....ENABLES robertLEE E. and All that RACISM is.....
slaverAmericana SHOULD NEVER be taken so lightly by African American Families or you
.....It obviously is still the MAIN America Great Again Issue.....
slaverAmericana was a GENERATIONAL 1776...1864...1964..MAKE AMERICA GREAT RACIST view..... OF
----- rape, torture, pedophilia, murder as an American AFFAIR..to Greatness.....of 'whiteSUPREMACY'
COLORED.... 'whiteSUPREMIST' ...DOCTRINE done in the Name of kingJames and his latinJesus Version...
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 8:18AM
robert powell
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I don't have to look up a damn thing Steve. Did you look up this statement P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy," when you posted it?
I must I look up the reason why your ass posted anything, I am man enough to come right to the source but now if the source is to weak to have a one on one conversation like two grown men, then you must be hiding your hands when asked the question of ""Did that also include SLAVERY Steve?"
Keep this in mind: The Confederate States of America (CSA or C.S.), commonly referred to as the Confederacy, was an unrecognized country in North America that existed from 1861 to 1865. The Confederacy was originally formed by seven secessionist slave-holding states – South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas – in the Lower South region whose regional economy was heavily dependent upon agriculture, particularly cotton, and a plantation system that relied upon the labor of African-American slaves.
Steve, would like it better if The Confederate States of America would have won The Civil War?
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 11:59AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Are you really prepared to move on to this new question Ron?
"Steve, would like it better if The Confederate States of America would have won The Civil War?"
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 12:10PM
Steve Williams
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Robert, you are sounding real foolish now. I don't have the power or that white power structure behind me to cause racism to flourish in this country, to promote hatred, against our fellow Americans nor do I want to promote that ignorance because we are on a higher playing level and life in this country is to important to me and my family to stoop to such a low level of existence, as you have adopted.
I must keep vigilant to keep aware that people just don't like you because you are a child of The Most High. And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth.
That is a covenant made by YAH / God to his people and we as a people should understand who we are and not just a people that submits himself to The Jim Crow laws in this country.
These people was not born in those days but yet their children want to keep that sad legacy of Robert E Lee going. Just look at how many times I had to ask the question of: P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy." The reply was: " I 've already told you the Confederate States of America were fighting for their sovereignty. I came back with: "Did that also include SLAVERY?" I got no answer yet.
Now here comes ROBERT, with this smoke screen to try and protect LIER. WOW!!!! He will not answer me or you if you was to ask him, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THESE WORDS: "P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy." You will get the same run around, that you see in this post, right here and you knows this to be a FACT!
STOP RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR THAT MAN Because I believe him now, he has convinced me by his own words. Do you believe him?
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 12:48PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Steve, you have not answered the question yet, what is the matter for you?
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 12:54PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I need more information so I can prepare Ron, because we are talking about virtual time travel. And honestly, it would be easier to consider the question "would I be happier if the Civil War had not been fought?"
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 3:38PM
Steve Williams
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You need more information about what? It looks like you are trying to find a hole that you can run into but you see that your way is BLOCKED in your tracks.
What is the matter Steve, what is your answer to this: I 've already told you the Confederate States of America were fighting for their sovereignty. I came back with: "Did that also include SLAVERY?" I got no answer yet.
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 6:17PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Don't regress Ron. The question on the floor is "Steve, would like it better if The Confederate States of America would have won The Civil War?" I will let you know after I research this cause and condition of the Civil War:
In 1860 the Democratic Party split into northern and southern factions over the issue of slavery in the territories and Stephen Douglas' support for popular sovereignty.
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 8:18PM
Steve Williams
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No break that down for me, can you tell me, why you have reached so far off topic, when my simple question was about what you was expressing WOW!!!
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 8:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You asked a new question Ron.
"Steve, would like it better if The Confederate States of America would have won The Civil War?"
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 8:50PM
Steve Williams
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In your 8th grade Constitution test and 12th grade Constitution test, did they teach you about this Ron?
The Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 (10 Stat. 277) created the territories of Kansas and Nebraska and was drafted by Democratic Senator Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois and President Franklin Pierce. The initial purpose of the Kansas–Nebraska Act was to open up thousands of new farms and make feasible a Midwestern Transcontinental Railroad. The popular sovereignty clause of the law led pro- and anti-slavery elements to flood into Kansas with the goal of voting slavery up or down, resulting in Bleeding Kansas.[1]
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...
Wednesday, November 22nd 2017 at 3:05AM
Steve Williams
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What is a libertarian?
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AGAIN......We are ALL LIBERTARIANS......as our comments show......
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Thank you steve Williams .
....who has NEVER in these BIA pages stated that he is an
Enabler of the RACISTLY IGNORNAT kingJamesVersions of paganChristianity...
....who has NEVER in these BIA pages Denigrated the African Asian Monotheistic Belief
of the Creator of Adaam(as).....or the Words of the Creator of Adaam(as)
FOR this REALITY of American LIFE.....and American -texASS HISTORY
"......Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated
Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace
and liberty to her people........
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution
known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits
-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race,
and which her people intended should exist in all future time.
......But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities
of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them? ..."
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yet COLORED by euroPEON supremacy, 'blackHebrewIsraelite' -kingJames Deacon of kingJames euroVersions
......WHO
1. Who has claimed the euroCENTRIC RACIST COLORED nonsense that established slaverAmericana
2. Who has consistently ATTACKED the African Asian Monotheistic History, Scholarship and Science of
4000+ years of recorded TEXT, like TORAH
3. Who has constistently ...at BIA, LIED, and Misconceived oldeEuropean notions of the African Asian
Monotheistic belief Defined in the Majority of Africa Asia on Earth for past 2000+ years.. as AlIslaam
4. Who has NEVER, EVER at BIA....selfDescribed self as African American
-------OFF SUBJECTS himself with...... another LYIN, Ignorant Misconception...and asks ME...?
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"......Robert, you are sounding real foolish now. I don't have the power or that white power structure behind me
to cause racism to flourish in this country, to promote hatred, against our fellow Americans nor do I want to promote
that ignorance because we are on a higher playing level and life in this country is to important to me and
my family to stoop to such a low level of existence, as you have adopted.
I must keep vigilant to keep aware that people just don't like you because you are a child of
The Most High. ................
Now here comes ROBERT, with this smoke screen to try and protect LIER. WOW!!!!
He will not answer me or you if you was to ask him, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THESE WORDS:
"P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including
STOP RUNNING INTERFERENCE FOR THAT MAN Because I believe him now, he has convinced me by his own words.
Do you believe him? ....."
Tuesday, November 21st 2017 at 12:48PM
Deacon Ron Gray
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FACTS of African Asian Monotheistic BELIEF recorded in African Asian Languages for 4000+ years
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1. AlAzeez, AlKhaleeq, AlMaaleek CREATED Mankind......Adaam(as)
2. Al Bari, AlAwaal, AlHakim, AlAakeerah..............has no children
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Now to your Question to me !
--- I believe steve REALIZES that slaverAmericana 1776-1864-1964 was the most EVIL done in America save
genocideAmericana ...... I SURE do....!
--- I have asked steveAdam fateWilliams many times to leave BIA, so that he does NOT have to be bored,
confused and misconceived by the RACIST NONSENSE of negroSlave kingJames COLORED enablement by
'theBlacks' like deacon and other Monsters that accept 'whiteSupremacy' in America defined by paganChristianity
-----AND as We are ALL LIBERTARIANS at BIA....I READ his opinions....I Even read your Racist Enabling....
Wednesday, November 22nd 2017 at 9:10AM
robert powell
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Robert, this only happens in your small little world.
Thursday, November 23rd 2017 at 3:04PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What is a libertarian?
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AGAIN......We are ALL LIBERTARIANS......as our comments show......
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..writes ME?.....what after some oldeEnglish at a Thursday, November 23rd 2017 at 3:04PM supper table?
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".....Robert, this only happens in your small little world...."
Thursday, November 23rd 2017 at 3:04PM
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THAT slaverAmericana 1776-1864-1964 was the most EVIL done in America save genocideAmericana ..?
THAT 'theBlacks' like deacon.. accept RACIST Ignorance in America defined by paganChristianity ......?
AND............. in MY world
---I am one African American Family BUT not the only one in my WORLD in America
---I am one African Asian Monotheistic Believer in the WORLD of Majority African Asian JudeoIslaamic Believers
'blackHebrewIsraelitism' or 'blackRussianHebrewIsraelitism'---lives on small ghettoLIBERTARIAN corners
Friday, November 24th 2017 at 10:17AM
robert powell
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You don't know what a Black Family had to go through in before 1776-1864 this is all just pure unsuccessful BULL💩 THAT YOU SPEW All over Black In America when you have nothing else to say... Professor FuFu, I am no LIBERTARIAN.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 3:43AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Who Fought for the Confederacy?The Soldiers of Walker’s Texas Division
http://www.pstx.org/index.php?option=com_c...
Older, more likely to be married, and more oriented to farming than most Confederate soldiers, and more likely to be natives of the lower South than most Texans, the men of the Greyhound division were distinctive in another way as well—they were of generally modest means. On average, the soldiers owned only about half as much property as heads of household in Texas and were much less wealthy than the prosperous elite of the 3rd Texas Cavalry Regiment. On the other hand, the Texas foot soldiers were younger than the average head of household in the Lone Star State and had not had as much time to accumulate property as the typical Texas family head. When wealth is controlled for age (that is, when the soldiers are compared to Texas household heads in their twenties), the men of Walker’s Division fall into line as average wealth holders ($3,484 for men in the division and $3,091 for household heads of comparable ages).
Not surprisingly when one considers these wealth holdings, soldiers in the division were less likely to own slaves than the average Texas family. Slightly more than one-fourth (27.3 percent) of all families in the Lone Star State owned slaves in 1860, but only about one-fifth (21.6 percent) of these soldiers. Once again, the relative youth of the military population helps to explain the difference: younger men simply had not had as many years to accumulate wealth and slaves.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 7:57AM
Steve Williams
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What is a libertarian?
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".....You don't know what a Black Family had to go through in before 1776-1864 this is all just pure unsuccessful BULL💩 THAT YOU SPEW All over Black In America when you have nothing else to say... Professor FuFu, I am no LIBERTARIAN....."
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 3:43AM
Deacon Ron Gray
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1. I agree with you .... "don't know what a Black Family had to go through in before 1776-1864"
...a. I for the 2,089,279th time am not 'aBlack' of paganChristian Belief....
...b. REREAD my comment....I WROTE in ENGLISH
.......'theBlacks' like deacon.. accept RACIST Ignorance in America defined by paganChristian slaverAmericana...?
.......AND---"I am one African American Family that Believes African Asian Monotheism of African Asian ORIGIN"
2. AGAIN for the 11th time FuFu IS MY FAVORITE African Asian MEAL....and Favorite of MAJORITY of African Asians in the WORLD
3. the 'blackHebrewIsraelite' writing of FILTH ... " BULL💩 THAT YOU SPEW" ... is NOT GOOD for African American Families
--- STOP IT, STOP your LYIN, Filthy, Disrespectful LIBERTARIAN American 'blackHebrewIsraelite' FAKE NEWS paster!
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 8:53AM
robert powell
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Steve, you have not answered the question yet, what is the matter for you? " P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
"Did that also include SLAVERY Steve?"
What cause was Gen. Robert E. Lee fighting for?
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 11:32AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I answered all your questions Ron. My great-great-great grandfather served and laid down his life, and I respect him and all those Americans who have done likewise. Did he fight for slavery? I have no way of knowing if he owned slaves or what he thought of slavery. I'm not an identitarian as you are.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 1:49PM
Steve Williams
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My great-great-great grandfather and his Parents before him was slaves in a land his father knew not of and people fought to keep him and my family slaves. You are the first person in all of my life to say that he was proud of a man who wanted to preserve the confederate we of life which also includes owning slaves. Your people you respect were not citizens of The United States of America, they fought against soldiers that stood for the right and freedoms that all men were created equal and this is what I want for my Grand children and beyond.
I fought for freedom and not slavery for all United States citizens. And you can’t even tell me what Robert E Lee stood for.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 3:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Your great-great-great-grandfather in 1865 was a free man.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 3:28PM
Steve Williams
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Still running from what Robert E Lee fought for but yet you respect is Man who turned his back to this country, why?
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 4:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You don't know anything about Robert E. Lee. When and why did Virginia vote/not vote for secession?
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 5:22PM
Steve Williams
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Since you do, then you can answer this question: Did Robert E. Lee want to retain for the Confederacy to keep and to sell Slaves and to keep slavery as a way of life in The South?
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 6:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The seceding states seized numerous Federal properties within their boundaries, including buildings, arsenals, and fortifications. President James Buchanan protested but took no military action in response. Buchanan was concerned that an overt action could cause the remaining slave states to leave the Union, and while he acknowledged there was no constitutional authority for a state to secede, he could find no constitutional authority for him to act to prevent it.[7][8]
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 6:48PM
Steve Williams
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By the way Steve, you don't know, what I know and your last statement was Pure BULL💩. Now since you do know Robert E Lee, then you can answer this question: Did Robert E. Lee want to retain for the Confederacy to keep and to sell Slaves and to keep slavery as a way of life in The South? Was this his legacy?
Hey Steve, What was the purpose of the confederacy?
This is far to easy, WOW!!!!
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 8:05PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Why do you want me to answer a question Ron and you never answer a question?
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 8:15PM
Steve Williams
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You don't have to answer, I already know.
James Buchanan Jr. (/bjuːˈkænən/; April 23, 1791 – June 1, 1868) was the 15th President of the United States (1857–61), serving immediately prior to the American Civil War. He is the only president to remain a lifelong bachelor. A member of the Democratic Party, he was the 17th United States Secretary of State and served in the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives.
Saturday, November 25th 2017 at 8:17PM
Steve Williams
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The Question still goes unanswered. Did Robert E. Lee want to retain for the Confederacy to keep and to sell Slaves and to keep slavery as a way of life in The South?
Instead you came back talking about James Buchanan Jr.
Stevie boy,, Stay focus on the question about Robert E. Lee.
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 7:53AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What is a libertarian?
SUBJECT
AGAIN......We are ALL LIBERTARIANS......as our comments show......
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yet COLORED by Racism.. 'blackHebrewIsraelite' - and steveWilliams Both seem, in my opinion
-----TOO LIBERTARIAN about their thoughts on SlaveryAmericana 1776-1864(1964)
---- the Generational RAPE, TORTURE, S/M Pedophilia, MURDER and NON EDUCATION of the African By paganChristian ALABAAMA LIKE
folk....a tribal community of genociders, thieves and IMMORAL Monsters of the Highest EVIL, nature....
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---- this is 2017/2018.....BIA, an African American Family Site....STOP your Libertarian Racistly Ignorant Views.....
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 8:14AM
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Hey Robert, do you support what Robert E Lee legacy?
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 9:23AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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If you wanted to continue this argument Ron, you shouldn't have taken 11 days to reply. I agree with Robert.
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 2:39PM
Steve Williams
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What is a libertarian?
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".......Hey Robert, do you support what Robert E Lee legacy?....."
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 9:23AM
Deacon Ron Gray
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".......Hey Robert, do you support what Robert E Lee legacy?....." ..... ??????????????????
DO YOU MEAN do I support what slaveRapist, Torturer, Murdering Traitor General Robert E. Lee left as Historical Legacy?
------------------SAME answer as Above....
I say...." P.S. I DO NOT respect ALL of those racistlyIgnorant paganChristian Americans
who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee, his slaves
and the racistlyIgnorant soldiers of the Confederacy and their EVIL purpose . "
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You agree with Robert about what Steve?
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 7:05PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I agree with Robert's post here.
What is a libertarian?
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yet COLORED by Racism.. 'blackHebrewIsraelite' - and steveWilliams Both seem, in my opinion
-----TOO LIBERTARIAN about their thoughts on SlaveryAmericana 1776-1864(1964)
---- the Generational RAPE, TORTURE, S/M Pedophilia, MURDER and NON EDUCATION of the African By paganChristian ALABAAMA LIKE
folk....a tribal community of genociders, thieves and IMMORAL Monsters of the Highest EVIL, nature....
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---- this is 2017/2018.....BIA, an African American Family Site....STOP your Libertarian Racistly Ignorant Views.....
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 8:14AM
robert powell
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 7:42PM
Steve Williams
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Can you think for yourself?
Can you use your own words?
What a shame...
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 8:23PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Robert is correct and I agree with him. You are free to disagree Ron, but you haven't.
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 8:37PM
Steve Williams
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You agree with Robert about what Steve? In your own words.
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 9:54PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Who says, in my own words? State your own position Ron.
Wednesday, December 6th 2017 at 10:55PM
Steve Williams
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Just look at you. You can't even make a case using your own words. Now you are running behind Robert, like he has a chain around your neck. You actually copied and paste his hold entire post as you claim it to be yours. Steve, you don't have to ask that question of Who says, in my own words? You know well who asked the question, I DID!!!
State your own position Ron.
P.S. I respect ALL those Americans who have SERVED, who have laid down their LIVES. Including Robert E. Lee and the brave soldiers of the Confederacy."
I don't respect Robert E Lee because of actions to fight for a system that wants to keep my people slaves.
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