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****, Please! by - Anna Renee Is Still Talking

Posted By: anita moore on September 09, 2011

Why is it that white youngsters safely esconced in the outerlands of suburbia, (a magical place that their parents have fashioned just to protect them from the evil influences of people of color, especially black people crime and blight), go on to betray their parents and all they’ve done for them by turning their faces toward the hip hop culture of black and latino youth?

Robert A. Clift, a young white man has created the film documentary “Blacking Up” to tackle this very touchy and multifaceted subject. He says he got the idea while he was a graduate student at Indiana University. While he was in his dorm one day he overheard the noise of a frat house that was having its “Annual Hip Hop battle”, so he presciently grabbed his camera and ran out to film the spectacle, which has since become a critically acclaimed PBS documentary. Here’s what he saw on that fateful day:

“…It was like the setting for the ending of “8 Mile,” except the racial dynamics were totally inverted. Instead of a mostly black crowd with a black emcee as the crowd favorite—and with the underdog, Eminem, overcoming the racial obstacles to beat the black emcee—the crowd was mostly white with a white emcee as the crowd favorite and a black emcee that was trying to win over the racial animosity of the white crowd. The results were also the opposite of the movie – not only did
the black battler not overcome the racialized sides of the audience as Eminem did, but played right into it, almost causing a huge fight and causing the crowd to jeer at him when he accused the white battler of wanting to be black. It got pretty tense. The crowd didn’t think it was fair for the black rapper to bring race into the battle. It was fine to talk about women and mothers and penises, but not about race.” (interview with Mediasaurs)
What’s interesting to me is not so much that a group of white kids on the all-white campus of Indiana University staged a “hip hop battle”. What IS surprising to me is Robert’s reading of the racial dynamics of the crowd of white hip hoppers. His statement is full of clues about the minds of white folks. Maybe this is why most white folks really don’t like talking about their deep seated issues with race, not even amongst themselves, as Mr. Clift admits. Maybe it’s that they are deeply afraid of their issues, or worse, they simply can’t understand their issues. But, as issues tend to rise to the surface just to spite us, Robert Clift revealed some of his stuff right here.

He says that “Eminem overcame racial obstacles to beat the black emcee” in talking about the movie “8 Mile”. In real life, there aren’t any real “racial obstacles” that white Americans have to overcome. They don’t exist. But the movie “8 Mile” managed to create this idea of a white man’s racial oppression? But what’s even more interesting in “8 Mile” is the white man’s triumphing over that oppression. Slim Shady overcame, y’all. (BTW, Eminem can rap. Everybody knows that. Enuf said.) I haven’t figured out how to read anything into that yet. Is it that blacks are more fair minded? Or is it that white people are really and truly fair minded, and not blinded by racism? Or is it that the content of one’s character, or skill is all that’s truly necessary to succeed?

But then snatching back with the left hand what he gave with with the right, Clift subtly accuses that lone black hip hop battler of not being as smooth in real life as Eminem was in his movie. Because brotherman didn’t choose to ”overcome” the racialized sides in the college campus battle, “as Eminem did”, but played right into their racism by playing the dreaded race card, thus getting what he deserved in causing the white kids to want to fight him for unfairly bringing up race in the battle!

White kids rapping can be subversive, but it’s not inherently so. In many cases, it plays right into race, class, and gender hierarchies. But the question of when it is subversive and when it is not, of what the white hip-hop fan or performer means, politically speaking, is what the whole film is about. It’s central to the film. Is it, as you asked, subversive? If so, when? In what circumstances and why? (Robert A. Clift)

All that I’ve seen of the video is a couple of 2-minute long clips, but I get the feeling that Mr. Clift is an apologist for all white rappers, no matter where they fall in the white rapper continuum–whether they “pay homage” and have true rap skills, and deal with hatred from other whites, or they are simply racists who are mocking black culture. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

There’s one last aspect of this entire thing. Those people like the Robert A. Clifts and Tim Wise’s who commodify ”this thing” within the white culture of appropriation. Just in the telling of it, it becomes a commodity to be sold to an eager audience, whether that was the intention or not. I suppose it’s easier to hear about your issues from someone who will be kind and gentle, holding up a rose colored mirror, that casts a rosy glow upon fellow brethren. So I can’t really be mad at them.
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****, Please! by - Anna Renee Is Still Talking

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@Sis Irma, you are a hoot, but only speaking the truth
My take on this quote: “Is it that blacks are more fair minded? Or is it that white people are really and truly fair minded, and not blinded by racism? Or is it that the content of one’s character, or skill is all that’s truly necessary to succeed?
Yes blacks are more fair minded because they’ve been processed to be that way and except what’s being dished out to them. Whites are not what I would particularly call fair minded. They just know they are excepted as superior, which isn’t the case, so they don’t have to have an opinion one way or another. They expect the norm of taking what belongs to another culture and making it their own. Look at our history! Lastly, I don’t think it had to do completely with Eminem’s skill, although I heard its quite good. Any other white guy with skills could have done what he did. Surround himself with someone who was deeply embed into the rap game. (Dr. Dre) who was open to him, his skill and his disposition, which helped to make him acceptable and lift him to phenomenal levels within the rap game. So those kids were just doing what they do best, be who they were being taught to be. The brother in my eyes (I didnt watch the video) didn’t loose because he claimed racial discrimination. He lost when he walked up onto the stage with a white crowd and went up against someone with a little skill and a few bars in their pocket.
Friday, September 9th 2011 at 5:45PM
I concur Brother Clark. Yes there have been a few exceptions, but not the standard. For some reason, Vanila Ice or Eminem or any of the others ever made me into a follower. I cannot tell you one song created by one of these guys that I know any words to other than ice, ice baby and what the heck is that. LOL!
Yes its true we are cultural leaders, but when does giving away the mansion for a room at the ghetto hotel make any sense. Most of these rappers who started rap have absolutely nothing to show for it, and millions of dollars are still being made off of their artistry, because rapping is indeed an art form of expression.

Saturday, September 10th 2011 at 9:35PM
I understand how you feel sis Irma, but some things have to be talked about. I mean what do we have to be proud of or what can we claim as our own anymore. We are a diverse culture and I don't have a problem with anyone feeling our music and even rapping, but when you start to claim it, I have problems with that. There is nothing in any other nationality that I can point my finger to and say I want to be like that. I absolutely love my blackness. Period!
Saturday, September 10th 2011 at 9:38PM
@Sister Irma. I think I’ll call you my authentic sis, because you are indeed one of a kind. Smile!
I feel this way about the word claim. First off I have no allusions about who discovered America or freed the slaves. I know that when we stand up for something, we almost always succeed and freedom was one of our successes. That’s what we haven’t done since Martin Luther King passed, Stand for something.
We dropped the ball. I don’t see you as anti-anything. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs.
This is what I was taught about the bible. The bible claims or inspires to be from God. The word inspiration in 2 timothy 3:16 says that the scription was given by inspiration, therefore, it claims to be from God. It is ones own belief whether that is true or not. I say that to say this. I claim it to be the word of God. I claim my blackness. I claim that I live for my children. See what I mean. If I don’t claim that little portion of happiness, it will be swiped from me and that’s not an option.
Rev. Wright has much intelligence in that nogun of his. If he used it differently, more people would listen to his words and not his anger. Walk softly and carry a big stick. I agree with most of what he says and more people would too.
I hear you sis, I fear nothing but the Creator. I always say that fear is an unacceptable emotion. Love Ya!

Sunday, September 11th 2011 at 11:31AM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
NOw when rev. Wright starts to be happy learning alout our culture and start being happy and not angry about our objection to being considered as not human but property because the Bible says the more we suffer the greater our reward will be in heaven, then I will start with my self not him for not being happy about this back then and still today about us not being worthy of equaly bof daring to believe that we are ll God's children who have been made in god's own image..I only keep referencing to Rev. Wright because this was taught in my BIA history major at UCD (more tahn 20 years before I heard Rev. Wright say these thing, and yes I also believe that anger is a major, major tool in our survival kit. smile) and it is the same things taht the state of Arizona is trying to ban, because we tend to get upset over how we should not learn things like slaves could read and write and left many written documents to show how true our oral history is. (smile)

we claim to be victime..."I" cose to say I ama not a victim, but one who helps the next gereration to reject tis victim role..(smile)

NAD, YES MY TRUE SISTER IN SPIRIT ANITA, I RULLY UNDER SAND YOUR "CLAIM" BECASE I TO HAVE STAKED MY'CLAIM OT THE SAME VERY THNGS YOU HAVE"...AFRICAN -CENTERED AS IN OUR ANCIENT MOTHER CENTERED CULTURE IS NOT HE SAME AS THE EUROPEAN-CENTERED FATHER GREATER TAHN, MOTHER LESS THAN CULTURE. LOL!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
...AND in conclusion as in what "I" am always trying to say is...I chant (pray) hope that one day "WE SHALL OVER COME" THE NEEDS TO SAY, I CLAIM/ WE CLAIM- INTO

I AM / WE ARE...AND PROUD OF IT. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
@My beautiful sister in spirit Anita...what you just said about "CLAIM" is one of our greatest obsticles that we must UNLEARN much like we have to unlearn Columbus discovered America / Lincoln freeded the slaves, because neither are the truth...example, "I" myself reject any and all claims that I am not responsible fo rmyown actions that I was no tborn in sin no more tahn any of mypeople were born as personal propeertyof any man , woman or child, because if I did less tahn that I would still be attenting Mass for someone to give me permission to live myown life being the best person I can be!

Now before I am accused of bin ganti-christ let me explain...because when rev. Wright said we dance to a different drummer, I had no reason to say he is anti-christ nor anti-america because scientificly we do just that...I have said all of taht to ay this Our minds are different and we see in round, white people see in squares therefore we don't have to CLAIM any form of music, because w4e know (should unlearn that we are different which is we are unique therefore our mucis is unique...as rev. Wright siad we hear in 4,4s music sounds and others can not, but there are excetions as in we must mutate (mix and match) so the best of the gene pool surivies...

and here is where riligions (some come in and over rule natural human behaviors of survival of the fittest with things like:social restrictions, sin, the earth is flat and we will kill anyone who comes up with something called science, evolution , I am somebody wo loves and respect myown self ...this is not someting just started to be taught to mankind then and now, because we are born with a language that evey human is born with CRYING ? SMILING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now taht i don't fear going to hell, i can accept that I am here to help the human species survive and not to control mankind by killing htem off in the name of any god, Creator, Education system, ect. in othe words, before me there was no me and after me there will be no me or not as I know me at tis momen tin time. lov ya all (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
Actually Anita, I am often very uncomfortable putting things into the context of skin color, but some things must be put this way. example, I find it just priceless to see Skin heads trying to look , sound, dress and act Black to show just how much they hate us because we are inferior to them...I don't waste my time on them, I just shake my head and go on. LOOOOOOOOOO. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
Lets hope that one day they will be able to originate something for themselves, on their own.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
UC, Davis class of 1992
...oops, too late to be the first to learn how to walk up right on only two legs, we have already done that...maybe how to get along with your fellow man, oops again we have already invented this as something else for them to use and abuse like rap...

Oh, well we must not allow this to stop us from trying to get it across taht we are all God's children, as in different is not deficient. lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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