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I wrote this back in 2004 due to the frustration of so many actors and acresses losing immense amounts of weight and amidst the climax of America's obsession with being way too thin. Not only that, the pressures that caused bulimia and anorexia to run afoul through our communities and with our young girls trying to look like the images in the magazines and darn near killing themselves to get there. It's amazing to me how much things have changed in 4 years. Now, I do see plus size models in some retail stores and there are some thick chics on tv and in ads. It's refreshing, so there still should be more of it. Well...here it goes... Imagine this: you walk into a major women's department store and the mannequin is a size twelve. She has visible hips and thighs and a full derriere. She's adorned in a gray, double-breasted pants suit. The colorful mint green camisole worn underneath shyly peeks through at her neck line. The suit drapes where it should and accommodates the contours of her silhouette in like manner. She sure looks good, doesn't she? The painful truth is that until society opens its eyes, we will never know. Until advertisers start using someone who looks like me to advertise the clothes they sell in my size, society will never get a wide stream, accurate depiction of the beauty in the woman I affectionately call the Thick Chic. Think about this: are advertisers who refuse to put my likeness in their commercials or catalogs trying to suggest that I can buy their clothes but they can't successfully use me as a medium to sell their clothes? If truth lives in that question, then why do advertisers sell their clothes in my size? I already know the answer to that. Money. It's the bottom line. The harsher truth is that if I continue to purchase their products though I know I'm severely under-represented, advertisers lose any motivation to even consider utilizing my likeness. (It's like the old adage that references getting the milk without needing to purchase the cow). As for the Thick Chic, who is she? Among others, I am the Thick Chic. It's the name I gave myself for those who dare use the word 'fat' to describe me or anyone who looks like me. To correct some and educate others, there are fundamental differences between thick and fat. Thick is tone, and the Thick Chic's wealth of healthiness is evenly distributed. She carries her thickness with confidence and is not secretly trying to find a way to get rid of it. She celebrates her curves, holds her head up high and understands that beauty resides within her and exudes out. She uses exercise as a means of further toning and maintaining what she has, not to get rid of it. She does not secretly wish to be a size six nor does she secretly starve herself or binge and purge in an effort to fit the mold of what others find beautiful. She knows that size six does not fit the mold of her true reality. Her confidence convinces her of who she is and what she has to offer. She does not need society's stamp of approval to determine her value for she identifies herself as a priceless commodity. Her wisdom reminds her that some magazine images are airbrushed to look perfect and that women who depend on a popular, unattractive media and print-driven image tread on dangerous ground-- they are easily manipulated, and as a result, make unwise decisions and lose their true selves in others' expectations. The Thick Chic is relieved by her abundance of self-love and looks in the mirror to envision beauty staring back at her in the form of her own reflection. Finally, she considers any valid opinion as one based primarily on her character, integrity and intelligence, not merely on shallow, surface-level observations. On an even more serious note, the Thick Chic's weight does not threaten her health and safety; she's not struggling to breathe because her weight is smothering her heart. She has not been advised to have, for example, a gastric bypass or other surgical or medicinal procedures to potentially combat morbid obesity. To phrase it bluntly, obese and fat are synonymous with each other. If a woman’s weight is killing her or causing her a host of medical dilemmas, it is, arguably, a wise idea to lose weight. However, whether thick or fat, taking the weight loss goal to the extreme is highly unhealthy, unwise and unnecessary. If at any time, the desire or necessity to shed excess weight leads a woman to the Pit Stop of Starvation or Binge and Purge Boulevard, she should seek professional help because her self-image and reasoning skills need adjustment. Look around you. Thick Chics are EVERYWHERE! Queen Latifah is the Thick Chic. Oprah Winfrey is the Thick Chic. Jennifer Hudson is the Thick Chic. Beyonce Knowles is the Thick Chic. Kate Winslet is the Thick Chic. Tyra Banks is the Thick Chic. America Idol finalist, Kimberley Locke, is the Thick Chic. Serena Williams is the Thick Chic. America’s Next Top Model finalist, Toccara Jones, is the Thick Chic. America Ferrera from television hit, “Ugly Betty,” is the Thick Chic. All of these women are the Thick ChicS and they are ALL absolutely gorgeous. On a purely personal note for women: am I suggesting that a woman who starves herself is unreasonable? Am I suggesting that a woman who binges and purges is unreasonable? YES, I AM. I realize that it's a strong statement, but it is an absolutely necessary one. If any part of you can convince you to starve yourself, your reasoning has traveled more than a bit afar off. If compelled, for any reason, to stuff yourself with as much food as possible for the sole purpose of jamming your finger or like object down your throat to throw it up, your actions clearly suggest reasoning deficiency. Regardless of the reason, no justification exists for what only amounts to self-destruction. Frankly, it proves a sad commentary when we promote the ideology that beauty is the emaciated appearance of a size two frame, with thin skin clinging to the rib cage and the back bone just an inch from breaking through the surface. My grandmother used to say, "Don't nothin' want a bone but a dog!" And I aptly added, "...and he doesn't want it for too long after he realizes there's no meat on it. He'll eventually bury it in the backyard and forget about it." Obviously, this line of dialogue is meant as light-hearted banter between my grandmother and me. To avoid misunderstanding, I do not take issue with the woman who is naturally thin. She likely has a high metabolism and cannot help being thin; my grandmother was naturally thin her whole life, but she celebrated the beauty in me at every opportunity. To continue, if the woman who is not naturally thin becomes thin through diet and exercise or even via a surgical procedure, as long as she has not done so primarily to please others, I do not take issue. In short, if she has lost weight for herself or for her health but has not endangered her life in any way, I do not take issue. If thin is comfortable for one and thickness is comfortable for another, it's a non-issue—or at least it should be. If a woman can be truly content is either skin, I harbor no ill will because we all have the right to make choices. However, I harbor plenty of ill will toward the divisiveness of media, print and peer groups who suggest that only the thin woman is beautiful or has value. As women, we all have beauty and grace. Each of us has something grand to offer the world. Our size should not sit at the top of the list of attributes that people utilize as a form of our remembrance. I'd like to be remembered as a spiritually sound woman, exemplary daughter and mother and a phenomenal wife. It would sadden me if anyone used my thickness or thinness as a primary mode of recollection. It's equally important to recognize that severity lies on both sides of the spectrum; being morbidly thin presents as many problems as being morbidly obese. A woman who drops from 180 pounds to 95 pounds could well stand as much of a chance of cutting short her life as the woman who tops off at 300 pounds, since the human body is not designed to function successfully if she sits contently at the extreme end of either spectrum. As for a woman's appearance, it can be easily argued that being severely underweight is just as difficult to look at as being severely overweight. Sure, I wonder about severely overweight women when I see them out and about, sometimes barely holding on because they're understandably out of breath or quickly exhausted by the physical constraints that come with bearing more weight than a human skeleton was meant to support. However, I am equally, if not more so, astounded when I set eyes on a woman who is so thin that her collar bone, knee caps and rib cage bulge out. It's appalling that there are those who actually think it's attractive to have completely sunken cheekbones and sagging skin where muscle once inhabited. Give the following some serious thought: if we saw a dog's ribcage bulging out or a horse with a severely thin frame, what would we think? Most likely, we would think the animals have been starved or neglected in some way. It would likely disgust us that the owner of the animal would allow it to happen and some of us would quickly attempt to intervene on behalf of those animals. Given that, the question becomes this: if we hold such regard and reverence for animals, should we not hold ourselves to the same, if not even higher, standards? © Copyright, 2004
Posted By: Dee Gray
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 6:34PM
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I've heard fat chicks describe themselves as "curvy". Curvy women have "curves". That (ideally) means large breasts, smaller waistline, larger buttocks, outward hips & thighs and meat on their calves. Or at least it used to mean that. Now, when women say they're "curvy, it usually means that they are either "box" shaped or just plain obese -- which is neither s*xy nor healthy. I'm all for "a little something to grab onto", and I certainly don't want bones poking my eye out at night, but let's not overlook certain truths that have hurt us collectively. Obesity is a serious epidemic in the Black and Hispanic communities. We live shorter, unhealthier lives of nearly everyone else on the planet. Japanese and French women have nearly no fat. Where I live, I see White and Asian women out jogging, walking, doing what they can to stay fit. Rarely do I see a Black or Hispanic woman doing the same. Yet they'll go to online dating sites and claim they're "curvy" all the wile attemping to disguise the fact that they are FAT and lazy. Not saying you, Dee, but many do. Case study: Years ago (when I was doing that sort of thing...) I met a lady through Yahoo! Dating who proceeded to tell me that Black men no longer appreciated a "shapely" Black woman anymore. I assured her that I was all about "shapely" Black women and agreed to meet for dinner. WHOA ... I should have known she was about to enter the restaurant when the bus boys all stopped to grease the door down so that her enormous, ENORMOUS fat ass and hips could slide in. As a people, we all need to suck it up and get healthier. Young people are larger than ever. I've got a niece not even 20 yet and well over 200#; and an in-law -- in her mid 20s -- more than 300#! Most of my in-laws struggle to get off the sofa. And the 300 pounder? She used to be skinny! So, of course Madison Avenue isn't going to celebrate fatness, it ain't s*xy, and we live in a sociey where s*x-y sells. I was sent a press release recently about some fat women who wanted to be celebrated. Did I run it? Hell no! Then I saw them on a local news program, and while the Black male anchor tried to convince himself and others that he thought they were "hot", one could see right through him. Those chicks were FAT!
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 8:21PM
Craig Amos
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You're right Craig...and I said it, just not the way you have. Check it out: "On an even more serious note, the Thick Chic's weight does not threaten her health and safety; she's not struggling to breathe because her weight is smothering her heart. She has not been advised to have, for example, a gastric bypass or other surgical or medicinal procedures to potentially combat morbid obesity. To phrase it bluntly, obese and fat are synonymous with each other. If a woman’s weight is killing her or causing her a host of medical dilemmas, it is, arguably, a wise idea to lose weight. However, whether thick or fat, taking the weight loss goal to the extreme is highly unhealthy, unwise and unnecessary." And here's the part about the haggles of being overweight: "Sure, I wonder about severely overweight women when I see them out and about, sometimes barely holding on because they're understandably out of breath or quickly exhausted by the physical constraints that come with bearing more weight than a human skeleton was meant to support." See? It's in there. I didn't overlook. I will say that this piece was not to go into depth about the issues that you raise, but to encourage women who are in double digit sizes to celebrate their womanness because society doesn't define our beauty-- the way we take care of, nurture ourselves, carry ourselves and feel about ourselves DOES. Thanks so much for the commentary. You are right...people be lying their behinds off. I've experienced quite a few BROTHAS out there testlyin' to get in. LOL. Blessings...
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 9:32PM
Dee Gray
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Dee, I so enjoy your posts. In America, "mostly" very skinny, very gay (non-African American) males determine what is and is not the ideal s*xy heteros*xual female look. I think most of us straight guys would like their women to be a little bigger than what is presented in print. I agree with Craig, and think most of us Brothers like sisters that are phat...not fat. For me, even a little extra thickness can be good. But if there is too much meat...watch out there now. I like Steve Harvey's toilet seat test. Steve suggests every one put a mirror beside your toilet. If you look okay in that position...then you are alright. If you have to ask yourself what this or that is hanging over or rolled up...work it out. I think our people not only have health risks, we also miss out on so much that life has to offer. Many of our people are too large to ride roller coasters, take a hike, ski, parasail, etc... If we work on getting healthy, there is a whole word out there for us to conquer....
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 9:47PM
Dr. Ahmad Glover
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Yo, Craig, I'm buggin rite now, lol! Now thats some real talk. Although I had a laugh for a moment this problem is a serious issue for the United States :( Obesity is on the raise and has been for a long time. There are some real health concerns with people who have more than enough adipose tissue in their bodies. I mean, hypertension, diabetes I & II, etc. are the ill effects of being a + + size. We should not celebrate the overweight condition or advertise it, like it's the hip thing to aspire to. We should work to get rid of it, excess body fat that is. In may humble opinion, Beyonce and Serena are definitely "THICK" and depending on what Oprah is going through could be considered in that catergory but not Latifah; and Tyra I haven't seen her in a while but I would say she lacks "overall Thickness." I would put Latifah in the Big Bone catergory. The other chics you mentioned I really can't remember at the moment. Beyounce and Serena are very curvy and I don't think any designer could make clothes that fit them perfectly. Their clothes require alot of precision. I only have a problem with a person masquerading around as if she is THICK, but is fat. Fat girls need love too. And the one's that carry it well, are a gem. But lets not confuse the two. Thick is what you get when you workout and fat is what you get when you sit on the couch all day. Unless you have health condition, and there's nothing you can do about it. Dee, I agree the "bulimia" thin chics is unhealthy and not a very attractive site, I might add.
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 11:22PM
Kenneth X
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Dee, your right, that goes for us dudes, as well.
Thursday, August 14th 2008 at 11:28PM
Kenneth X
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Right on, Felicia. And Kenneth, I hear you. You're so funny. Dr. Glover, that toilet test is something else!!!! ...never heard of that one before. LOL. And Dr. Glover, I never really thought about this, but you are SO RIGHT: " so enjoy your posts. In America, "mostly" very skinny, very gay (non-African American) males determine what is and is not the ideal s*xy heteros*xual female look." SO SO SO right! LOL.
Friday, August 15th 2008 at 4:13PM
Dee Gray
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Oh, and these days, Tyra is DEFINITELY a thick chic. And so is Oprah. Have you seen Oprah these past years> She thick because she is TONE. Yes, that sistah is TONE. LOL. I think Queen Latifah is a thick chic because her breasts are what give the illusion otherwise. I saw a recent pic of her on the beach and she was thick and TONE. She's hippy, but Latifah is actually one of the most beautiful women I've seen because she's confident and she's not trying to look like the Laura Flynn Boyle's of the world. Notice that I didn't list Mo'Nique. Why? Because even though I dig her, too, she is where thick crosses over to fat. I still think she's attractive but she does have a few health issues that are centered around her weight.
Friday, August 15th 2008 at 11:22PM
Dee Gray
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As a woman, being thin, or smaller sized, I honestly respect your view, as a well as many others on the topic. However its a little different in my view that the smaller girls get the better end of the stick. Most of the guys I've dated, would prefer me to gain weight, or date women who "have more meat on there bones". Being fat to me is unnecessary thickness, because a women (health wise) should not gain that kind of weight. Everyone knows what too big is and eating good (not dieting or starving yourself) and walking around the block once or twice won't hurt anyone. Thickness is beautiful to me. Thinking on what a designer might possibly say, the answer might be something similar to "I don't want to encourage weight gain", and the truth is, people everyone has someone who loves them and don't want to see them harming their bodies. Men love women, and if a person can not look themselves in the mirror and honestly say "I would do me" the same way they want men to, then maybe the love inside themselves is not real.
Sunday, August 17th 2008 at 3:42PM
La Tia Lauderdale
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La Tia, you're right. Being fat is unnecessary thickness. But fat and thick are not the same things as I mentioned in the blog. I know a lot of men who prefer thick women, but my blog is more about how the media and print-driven images encourage an unhealthy loss of weigt, which ushers in bulimia and anorexia, very huge issues in communities country-wide. And your last sentence is true, although I don't think of my beauty based on whether or I would "do me" or whether or not a man would "do me." My self-image is not about THEM. It's about me and how I feel about myself as a beautiful, wonderfully and fearfully made woman of God. I never use a man's view of me to gauge who I am or what I'm worth. Ever. Thank you so much for you comments, La Tia. I look forward to seeing you again. Blessings...
Sunday, August 17th 2008 at 8:57PM
Dee Gray
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Irma, I don't think anybody questioned, Latifa's beauty, or her personality.
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 11:58AM
Kenneth X
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Being healthy does not have to do with size. That's a common misconception. There are a lot of unhealthy skinny people. Just like there are a lot of healthy big/fat people. Yes, certain health problems increase when a person's weight increases, but to be healthy, no matter your size, you have to live a healthy lifestyle. I know a lot of unhealthy skinny people. People who are naturally skinny yet live the same life style as someone who weighs 300 pounds. Just because a person is skinny doesn't mean they are healthy. I agree that obesity is a big problem and we need to stop trying to condone and placate it. It's not healthy to be so big that walking up a flight of stairs, or getting off the couch winds you. I'm a big person; but I exercise 2 times a day, I dance(yes big people can dance too), I watch what I eat, and I drink nothing but water. I'm never gonna be skinny; that's not my body type; but I am aware that I need to be smaller than I am now. However, when discussing weight, beauty and/or attractiveness should never be put into the equation. A person weight does not determine their attractiveness or their beauty. I'm a beautiful woman. My beauty does not depend on my size. I was born beautiful, so no matter my size I will be beautiful.
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 1:12PM
Ebone Evans
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No, it wasn't, Kenneth. But the post is all the same welcomed. Since you did come in (thankfully...good to see), do you think Latifa is fat or phat?
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 1:12PM
Dee Gray
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Ebone: "A person weight does not determine their attractiveness or their beauty." That's pretty much the whoe point. And frankly, you summed up the points marvelously. Thanks for peeking in and leaving your stamp!!!
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 1:23PM
Dee Gray
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Ebone: "A person weight does not determine their attractiveness or their beauty." That's pretty much the whoe point. And frankly, you summed up the points marvelously. And I've never been skinny either. That's a part of the reason I wrote this back in 2004. I'm thick and proud of it. And frankly, I wouldn't look right as a skinny girl, which is why I've never desire to be skinny. I lost so much weight due to stress in my very early 20s that my friends asked me if I was on drugs or something. LOL. It wasn't funny THEN but I can laugh about it now. I looked ill. I didn't see it buth my family did and so did my friends. My head looked HUGE and my bones bulged out, I'm told. That doesn't sound attractive and it certainly doesn't look attractive. It's scary actually. But it's like I said in the blog, "It's equally important to recognize that severity lies on both sides of the spectrum; being morbidly thin presents as many problems as being morbidly obese." There are extremes on both sides of the spectrum. Ebone, thanks for peeking in and leaving your stamp!!! Come back anytime!!! Blessings...
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 1:29PM
Dee Gray
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Thank YOU, Mister Johnson!!!! (giggle) ;-0
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 1:30PM
Dee Gray
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Dee, I already gave my assessment of Latifa in a ealier post in this blog. Just scroll up and check it out. Mister, nobody is "misconstruing" thick and fat (or obese). In a anatomy & physiology book I have it reads, a person over 20% of their ideal weight is obese. I guess the question is what DO YOU think is ideal for you, I guess. But that wasn't the question of this blog. I think it comes down to what you personally perceive thick is. I just gave my opinion on a few ladies the Dee mentioned. A few people might agree, many will not. Its as simple as that.
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 5:26PM
Kenneth X
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Actually, Kenneth, this blog wasn't originally posted to ask a particular question, but more to encourage women, who, in the mainstream, are not celebrated in the same manner as their counterparts. As well, it was to shake my finger at the institutional discrimination beset women who are not skinny or frail. I wrote this piece four years ago to encourage women to celebrate themselves...thin, thick, whatever. (And yes, I posted the blog for feedback and dialogue, of which all has been greatly appreciated, but not to answer any particular question). I also wanted societal recognition of the fact that the unhealthy balance exist on both sides of the house, not just with fat people. In essence, as this was quite timely back in 2004, I was (and still do) stand for the ones nobody else will when it comes to defining what is beautful...what is treasure and what is trash. And frankly, none of it is trash. We're ALL treasure. It's just up to US to see it. Blessings...
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 5:42PM
Dee Gray
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MJ, no problem, I kinda like this blog. Do you think women have a different definition of thickness then most men? To tell you the truth, my friends were shocked when I got with the woman I'm with now because she is on "thick-less" side. I was known to have a taste for big-bone and chubby ladies. Its funny how it all works out. I miss my big girls. :)
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 5:52PM
Kenneth X
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LOL, KX!!!!
Monday, August 18th 2008 at 7:10PM
Dee Gray
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Love your title! I definitely have a little meat on my bones----but it's all the other stuff that I am trying to account for.
Tuesday, August 19th 2008 at 6:07PM
Dr. Carolyn Clansy Miller
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Yetunde, I agree! Thanks so much for posting... Blessings...
Wednesday, August 27th 2008 at 8:12PM
Dee Gray
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...I am 4 feet, 11inches, by the way. so I was fat!!!!!!I sure did not like buying all of those new clothes.All I did to lose 65 pounds in less than a year was to stop taking the medcine.I am always active and I eat very little food. I eat like a bird my husband always says.Plus I did not gain all of the weight slowly. It was fast.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Dee, I agree with you about Queen Latifa. That female is as close to perfect as a person can get. She has grace and charm and she has the most beautiful,relaxing smile.Nothing about her seem phoney or put on.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Some people who I know treated my different when I was 130 or should I say much better than they did when I was 195 pounds. But, me, I treated myself the same at each weight. I treated the doctor who gave me the medicine that caused me to gain all of the weight different. I stop seeing him after ten years of being his patient. So be forewarned by me on this one. If there is a medicine you begin to take and it says "it may cause SLIGHTweight gain" be very careful. Mine weight started with snacking and doing a few things I neved did before not even when I was with child.Most of the time, I just had to be nobbling on some kind of junk food.But, only at night did I do this. I tracked my weight down problem, over what my doctor was saying about it was the medicine. Before this I had never gained or lost weight very much eiter way.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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