First of all, my name is not Rachel, it is Racquel.  Secondly, I know ther is a difference between segregation and sovereignty, what I said in my profile pertained solely to Black people, not Black an White America.  Thirdly, the difference between Chinese people and Japanese people is not race, same with bolivians and peruvians....you are speaking nationalities here.  Black and Whites in America are the same nationality and therefore your comparison is entirely inaccurate.  Yes Blacks and Whites are 2 different races, but race is a socially constructed concept created as a way to categorize people.  Therefore, most of these behaviors etc. are learned.  How can you expect to have a sovereign nationa within a nation, that is ridiculous on a number of levels; one being the fact that the U.S. would never grant such a thing.  But on another note, you compare this to Moses leading his people out of Egypt....exactly, he led his people out of Egypt, not to a corner and set up shop.  To accomplish what you say would solve our problems would be to lead Black people out of this country to establish themselves elsewhere which has been tried and does not yield the desired results.  We are not as different from White people as we think we are.  Currently the difference lies in who has the power and the color of the skin, which even that becomes blurred.  When you understand that my mindset is not a roadblock to healthy dialogue and may even be beneficial for your stimulation, then we can actually move on and make this discussion worthwhile.

To be honest, I believe some blacks want the same as whites, some blacks want things that is not realistic, and some blacks are just clueless no matter how much a solution is provided.  That is where the dreamcrushers/haters come into play, which you must try to ignore and use it against them and build strength.  I hope that makes a lot of sense. I for one, want a better society and fairness for all, but I also want our mothers and fathers to own up to their responsibility before allowing their children to get out and cause havoc on the communities.  This is why I get involved by volunteering, lobbying and motivating people to go for the unusual. 

Very interesting harryw,  I do believe it will happen.  It is written, but in order to get there I believe we must stay humble and not become hostile as we approach those days.  I know people thought just because we have a black president that they do not have to be responsible, that is unfortunate.  However we should be doing more and understand ourselves better before taking on something and sounding hostile in the process.  In order to learn and express ourselves with each other and to the world we cannot continue fight against each other, but learn from each other.  I think this is why our ancestors had a difficult time because everyone was not willing to sacrifice.  We also, have to understand we still need each other no matter in the south or north of the US, it is just how we each as responsble individuals communicate.  No matter where we live, we will always deal with whites in some form of fashion, whether it is food, industrial, financial, education, etc.  The key thing is to not think like they do, but learn from their behavior the way they have learn from us to use it against us.  Good example, is discplining children, destroying education and building jails.  All these are havoc on our communities that will force us further away that you speak of if we do not take back our own first.  Sovereign will not exist if we do not get a handle on the examples I pointed out.   

Man oh man, I don't know where to start.  WE have to change US, we have to teach ourselves as Black People, to take care of our own.  Yes intelligent young black people in the streets with no guidance, that's gotta come from us. The greatest journey starts with a single step.  Let's start now...everyone reading these threads, how can we start making a difference?  Let's get a plan...let's do, not talk let's do.  Talk to other members of your family that feel the same way, your coworkers, friends.