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The Devil's Devil's Advocate (response to Irma and Earl) (776 hits)

I tried to post this to your comments Irma but they didn't seem to be going through. Might've been too longwinded. If it appears more than once, please delete it. This is the note that I intended.

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I happened to see a few comments between Earl and Irma. A few of the other comments kinda missed me though. I'd have to do the research regarding the swearing on holy literature. I wasn't aware of any of that going on with Barack or the lack thereof. Many people have their own beliefs in regards to swearing on anything.

I would like to know, Earl, what YOU mean regarding the pathetic people on this site and the black community that is not up to your standards. I agree with a portion of your comment. The state of the black community needs to rise to new heights. Plain and simple, we need to pull our pants up. They continue to get lower and lower. Simultaneously, our stature in America is falling. We made a considerable contribution by helping to elect our current president. However, since the death of Rev. King the Civil Rights movement has not been worth mentioning. True there are people that have played their positions but no one has had the gumption to become the coach. I understand that many things died when Martin died. Many things died when Malcolm died. At the rate that we have gone over 40 years, it has been in vain. It's still not considered cool to be educated among our black men. Women have trumped us in college for years. There are people that still don't realize the contributions that music has brought us along with the detriment that it can create when taken out of context. We are still oppressed. At this point, we are bowing to oppression of ourselves rather than what another race does to us.

It has been years since we bowed to what the white community said to us but we still haven't made the progress that is necessary. There are plenty of powerful people in athletics, education, music, communications, engineering, and other places. We still don't have the impact yet. Why? There's not just one culprit. But if we look on the surface a lot of it stems from not being able to trust each other. In some cases it isn't warranted but in many cases we have become our own enemies. We stab each other in the back and pull others back into the barrell. For clothes, for jewelry, for vehicles, and for status. There is too much to go around for us to do that. I'm not saying we should like everybody that we meet. As the Devil's Devil's Advocate I'd be a stone cold lie if I said that I did. I don't HATE anyone though. My measure is simple. If I see someone flowing downstream that can't swim I'm going to try to help them even if they have a white hood on their heads. (sidenote: I wouldn't be the DDA if I didn't mention this also. I'm not sure if I'd do it just yet if they killed my family members. More than likely I'd drag them out and beat them. Different story though.)

After being longwinded my point is this. We need to do better without waiting on Obama to try and make it better. There will be millions of Americans that won't agree with his decisions. There's no way to combat that. I read somewhere that he inherited the worst job in America. Look at it this way. If you can't lead your company of 5 or 10 people, you wouldn't survive a week in the Whitehouse. If you can't lead your family, the same applies. He has to do all of that and then some. We need to be leaders in our own right. If we have kids at a young age then the world isn't over. That means that you need to bust your tail even harder. We need more business owners. That means that some of us need to know math and literature so that we don't believe what everyone else hands us. This is too important for us to continue to mess up.

I should've placed this in a blog...I will.

Tieuel Legacy! aka Shawnre'...The Devil's Devil's Advocate.
Posted By: Tieuel Legacy
Wednesday, November 5th 2008 at 11:25PM
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And realize that I'm not trying to put Earl on blast. I just thought that his position should be explained. He might've written things just to stir it up. I'm supposed to be the DDAdvocate here. He can't be taking my position. LOL.

Tieuel Legacy! DDAd
Wednesday, November 5th 2008 at 11:27PM
Tieuel Legacy
I'm learning all kinds of things right now. I didn't realize that Kevin Johnson was still in the race. Very smart mathematician, he is. Tieuel Legacy! DDA
Thursday, November 6th 2008 at 12:02AM
Tieuel Legacy
Earl I have taken the time to read some of the comments that you have made on several blogs. I could be wrongs, but it appears that you are a Moor and follow those principles. Which is your choice.

I expect Obama to do his job at the best of his abilities. No one is responsible for my education nor that of my childrens but me. Public Policy is reason for many of the ills of this country that our community and many others are in such a disaray, but that has not stopped many grassroot organizations from working hard to fill in the gaps of the needs of the community. Too many people look for an excuse not to do instead of reasons to keep pressing on despite all things. Too many people assume that something and someone owes them something instead of realizing each person owes it to themselves to prove the nay sayers wrong. As Public Enemy once said " Don't Believe the Hype". You appear to have a defeatist (speeling could be wrong) attitude and to be pessimistic in your views, which you are entitled to. That's the thing about an opinion, it is not wrong or wrong, but just an opinion.
Thursday, November 6th 2008 at 3:25PM
Marquerite Burgess
Brother Earl are you saying that the history of the United States founders is built upon Free Mason's ideals? Is this little g (goat) what the founders were trusting in?
Thursday, November 6th 2008 at 9:00PM
Jen Fad
It's not simple though. We have to be informed and also participate in more than just an election every four years. He will need help from the other committees for any change to occur. Technically, it is possible that no new laws go into effect and no new bills get signed. Unlikely but possible.
Friday, November 7th 2008 at 1:27AM
Tieuel Legacy
Earl, I believe that this document is saying that the presidency comes second to Freemasons. Therefore anyone President that has taken the oath will listen to someone higher than them.
It's an interesting dissection of Washington. Someone dug really deep for that. 6 main roads and so forth. I am an untrained eye so it was hard for me to view the connection at first. I see a few of the things but it's a long shot on this one. So are Freemasons evil? That's what I am gathering from the article. I always assumed that Freemasons were a part of the Masonic lodges and that they coincided with Eastern Stars. Maybe I need to research that.

DDAd
Friday, November 7th 2008 at 1:48AM
Tieuel Legacy
Earl is talking about the New World Order and that it originated long time ago. In order for it to work, the people of this country must give up their own rights, willingly and freely. Ex. Everytime one is about to board a plane, we give up our right to illegal search and seizure.

Earl I did not say you were a defeatist, but that you have a defeatest attitude that you have a pessimistic view. I true realist is not narrow minded and your views appear to be that way. You see the information that you are referring to only tells one side of a story and with anything, it can always be framed in a way to make it far more believable than not. Just like statistics. I am a realist and to be such, I must accept that everyone may not want to see things for what they are nor do some what to hear the opinions of others.

There is an always will be good and evil, it is what creates a balance, but Earl for you to state that others are not up to your standards makes me wonder how low your standards are. Because from where I am sitting and from what I reading in your comments. I could care less about how others will view the adverse comments about Obama, what is more important is how he will handle the situations. Everyone is subject to some form of ridicule because you can't please everyone and decisions have to be made that will benefit the many and not just a few.

Tieuel: The Eastern Stars are the sisters (so to speak) to the Freemasons.
Friday, November 7th 2008 at 3:44AM
Marquerite Burgess
I was pretty sure that I was right on that one. I just call them Masons. It made me wonder whether there was a difference as the Muslims have with 5 percenters.

Do we really give up our right to illegal search and seizure to board the plane? Once you give it up, it's not illegal anymore. Plus they have valid reason to search due to the circumstances of being in a confined area where other lives are at stake. I think that it depends on how we look at it. I'd rather them search my shoes before I have to wrestle a man down before he lets a bomb off. That's a reasonable exchange.
And let me correct something. I believe that I asked Earl about others being pathetic and I assumed that they weren't up to his standards on this site. Actually, I don't remember him saying that he WASN'T pathetic himself. After all, he is on this site as well.
TL aka Shawnre'...DDAd
Friday, November 7th 2008 at 3:56AM
Tieuel Legacy
Tieuel pertaining to the example that I used, that is just one area of which the New World Order functions. It basically strips you of your rights with your permission, thereby giving you no recourse if in the event a major mistake is made. Same as your right to plead the 5th, enabling one not to self incriminate.

Have you ever seen a film titled " Loose Change" If not, I would suggest you give it a view. You can view it right online.
Friday, November 7th 2008 at 2:18PM
Marquerite Burgess
And, a direct response from Irma.As, I am from North Carolina, Earl will have to go back to the first sit sown strike in North Carolina's drug stores about 50 years ago just to even be able to start with me in this matter.Or to try and stop the original beginnings of many of Dr. Kings speeches, etc. or to know what is going on in the Obama movement in this new century...thanks Tieuel for bringing up Earl's attempt to attack or to get a rise out of the Black community!!!

The Clintons nor McCain-Palin still have not caught on tho why there will be so few Republicans in D.C. or even local as a Black man just became the first Black mayor of Sacramento, Ca. Kevin Johnson formerly of the Suns basketball fame...get it basketball??????
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Yes, he stuck it out. I live about 35 miles north of Sac. At first the mayor would not say that he had won but she finally gave in over the matter.I do wish him well as he ran on the Change ticket of Obama's.He will have all of the Black backings and others(if you know what I mean in this Obama era...(smile)

When will they learn that the worst thing they can do to themselves is to piss the Black community off as this is when we become as one!!!!Oh, well...Now all I have to do is to wait for the impeachments of Bush and Palin.No, it will be governor Sarah Palin and then former president G.W. Bush. Do you hear that Carl Rove and Earl????
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Like myself Obama's skin is Black, but unlike Obama, I have not felt the pain that he has all of his life as I never lived among White people looking down on me within my own family.

I am so glad that the two most powerful people on the planet, Obama and Oprah had the same mentor (Rev. J. Wright) to teach them that they came from Kings and Queens and people whose pride in the Mother land,Africa has cause us a a people to be able to survive every thinn the White man has thrown at us!!So for them to never ever believe that the White man can /do set their worth, or accept them as equal no matter how far the get up on the social ladderthey are able to climb. Thank the universe that they have listened to this,their direct ties to the Mother land!!!!!.

Do you get this (the Earls and McCains and Bushs? I gather the Bush family are still waiting for the results of that study they paid for at UC Berkeley to find out if we in the Black community are human. "Black in America" African-centered public school education and not European-centered Black in America...I have much, MUCH more of this...Like local, state and federal tax paid for Black study...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Earl, you have the same problem as most of the Conservatives seem to have. You just ignore what anyone else says and just put your spin on it for what, to make me not know what is a fact or is it just because this is your conclusion about all Black people are stupid? for example, you just removed I had said the the Bush family had financed a study at UC Berkely to see if Blacks were humand and you came our of left field with WHAT...does this have to do with what I said in the first place????Never mind as this comment is not for you any way. It is ABOUT YOU...(smile)Good nite...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Now, the founding fathers wrote the Constitution to protect the few(them) from the many(the American citizens).

The Constitution changes as society changes and the masses get more educated as to what is a Civil Right! That the educated is no longer confined to the rich land holding White males has a lot to do with these changes also.

Wait to see the new changes with this B-L-A-C-K skinned American led Congress or better know as a Congress for the "mass have nots"....(smile)Me, I see no need for the blame game except in those still left in office trying to get themselves out of this mess this country is in because of them leading our government.

Obama has asked all of us to help him take back our government...Not just sit and compalin and point fingers as this behavior is not change it is just more of the same... It is all up to you the individual and your willingness to work along side our new President...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Tieuel, as in all thing in America, there is a White and a black, ask Warl which is his info from/about?There is a major difference in themO.K?How do I know this also, well there is a female version of it.(smile)

earl is making me tired and I so not even have to check where he gets his bull from as I know the whole point is to change it all around just to prove his version, been there, done that!
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
President 'elect' Obama has said that he has been called every thing except a child of God...well there is something that too many of us do not call him also, and this is Barack Hussein Obama (Constitution)Attorney at Law.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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