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...is just as bad as things I read on republican/conservative web sites, and even hate sites. Practically VERBATIM. From anti-semitism to anti-gay rheotoric, we should know better than to say some of the things being said and I think it's bad form when black people begin to sound like the people who discriminated against them. Is that who you are? Who we are? A few melanin pigments darker than that which we fought against? TOLERANCE people, TOLERANCE. EVOLVE.
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Friday, November 14th 2008 at 3:40AM
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Seems like this converstion was better made to each other via email. Where is the objectivity? on the one side we have E who only asked a question about our perspective as African American socially conscious people who sound like the racist hate field folks we are trying to be separated from. Then we have M Fleming who wants to voice his opinion on a rather complex and personal subject to him.
Here's the objectivity.... We can sit here and blog and comment all day, but how many of us have decided to act and ensure HOPE and CHANGE befall all of us in a manner equal to the trails anf tribulations our ancestors endured to make Merika (spelling is correct) what the "founders" of this country wanted it to be? The power of words had Germans who allied themselves with Hitler kill over 6 million people... Words had over 65 million Americans vote for CHANGE! Words got Malcolm and Martin killed, as well as 2 brothers from MA!
BUt in each of those incidencies above those words caused millions of people or even a small group of them to ACT!!!!
We need to be honest in our blogs and if the writer is hate filled, they should understand that HATE BEGAT HATE... so in their hate filled blogs, if the comments they get are hateful then so be it....
E I agree we should be mindful or our actions, but M at least your honest about your words... lets hope others decide to show integrity and do what they feel within their hearts...
HOPE and CHANGE is not going to come without ACTION
Friday, November 14th 2008 at 10:20AM
GREGORY GULLEY
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This blog is so un-necessary.
Friday, November 14th 2008 at 11:29AM
Jen Fad
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Thanks for this discussion, and to everyone who shared their thoughts. This is a discussion that we need to have not just on BIA, but as a Black community.
I won't comment on the issue of same s*x relationships, because I think that's a separate discussion. My issue is whether we as Blacks practice what we preach.
I completely agree that we should be free to say and believe as we choose. Whether that belief is White supremacy, religious conservatism, extreme liberalism, or any other ideology I do not infringe upon their rights because I wouldn't appreciate them infringing upon mine.
However, there are some uncomfortable things we need to address in the Black community, and racism is an important one. We insist on "diversity", and other cultures accepting us into their families and institutions but I've found that many African Americans are not willing to reciprocate.
If a White family walked into your church, would your congregation look at them strangely, or make inappropriate comments? How many of us have close friends of a different race or religion? If you were to adopt a style of dress or music favored by another race, how would the people you know respond? Do we make preconceived judgments about Latinos, Asians, Arabs, or Jews? When someone around us makes a racist comment or joke, do we take a stand?
We cannot expect to be seen as equals if we hold others to a different standard than we hold ourselves.
Friday, November 14th 2008 at 11:40AM
Jon C.
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E, I couldn't agree with your original post more. I used to believe that we, as members of an historically oppressed minority could never hold some of the views people espouse here. As I have grown and my thinking has evolved, I now understand that the need to be oppressive and divisive has nothing to do with the color of one's skin, or even one's own life experience; it has to do with the content of one's character.
Sunday, November 16th 2008 at 4:04PM
Dr. S. Maxwell Hines
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Mo, with all due respect, your comment on gay being a choice is only partially correct. For some, it is a choice, but for the vast majority is has been scientifically found that it is a genetic disposition, in other words, they are born that way. I think that it is wrong for us, who were once, and still, discriminated against because of a perceived difference to turn around and oppress another group for the same reasons. I suggest that you google and read 'The Gay Gene Debate'. There are several articles on the topic, I suggest the frontline site. You don't have to agree, but at least you will be informed.
Sunday, November 16th 2008 at 4:31PM
George Milliken
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I look at this gay rights issue as why do they even want to have the "same" anything that the straights have any way?Please allow me to explain(if I can).Same s*x marriage is totally different, right? so why should the name be the same? Just for the sake of 'equality' there is nothing EQUAL or even similar in two men and man and a female now is there?!?
This is going to go at the rate it is going will end up like the death pendilty. It is legal today -It is not legal tomorrow.
Me. I was expecting in San Francisco the father and daughter and the aunt and the nepew sister brother coming in to get married under the male and female are the only ones to marry.
but out here in California, I believe that they are only going to pay half of their taxes to get the case before the supreme court as fast as possible. The "No taxes withour representation" is the way they pland to settle this case here.
One music theather had it's director resign, He is a Mormon and gave a $1,000 donation for prop 8. Here they are now going after individuals who donated. I am sure it will get worst before it gets better. It is some what quieting down some.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I can understand the equal rights demands but, why not just try and do something to try and come to some kind of agreement so the all can be happy in the end.Civil Unions is a proper name for the gays to have, but I know what it is like to be made to feel as a second class citizen. So I guess not being able to have it called marriage is second class. This is bull****and we all know it.
There should be some kinds of civil rights meetings about this as I am sure it is not going to go away.The first thing is going to have to be taught how these same s*x are different, period, end of story......then turn all of this into something that all sides can respect and then agree on.
Education, Dialogue, and then more of the same......Even better if Religion is left out of this all together...just human beings respecting each others a EQUAL human beings trying to live and work and be in the social society with each other. Do you think this can happen?????!!!!???Ido and right here on this post...on this site...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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