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The Black Experience in America is Unique By Peter I. Rose Unique Americans The black experience in America is unique—it has no real parallel. And black Americans are unique. Paradoxically, blacks may well be at once the most estranged and the least foreign of all the citizens: most estranged because of their special history, which began in subjugation, continued in separation, and persists to this day under various forms of segregation; least foreign because, ironically, having been cut off from their native roots, they had few guides but those of the master and his agents. This is not to say no “Africanisms” survived. Of course they did. Still, most black Americans, for good or ill, were imbued with many of the same goals and aspirations of those of the dominant group. Many of their cultural traits were similar too. What they said and what they ate, what they believed and, in some ways, the way they worshiped, were heavily southern Americana. And so with their names. And in these names one finds the true paradox of being both a part of and apart from society. Names are labels by which others know you. Black people’s names are those of whites, usually white masters. It is little wonder that one of the symbolic gestures in the new search to assert both self-hood and people-hood by young blacks is to cast off their “slave names” and to adopt African ones—or simply to call oneself “X.” By and large this assertion did not come about until quite recently. For years black people—named Smith and Jones and Brown and Washington—quested often the American Dream and sought to take their place with whites. For many, the venture proved quixotic. Some succeeded, however, and became black equivalents of the white nouveaux riches, with all the material trappings to indicate having arrived. Others eschewed such life styles and sought other benefits in the dominant society, especially through higher education and work in the professions. They often found smoldering bitterness and exacerbated doubts about the rightness of seeking to integrate in the first place. They sometimes proved more akin to the Arabs in French Algeria than the Italians or Jews or Irish-Americans with whom they were so often compared. As Raymond Aron points out: The French never established an integrated society in Algeria. Ironically, the young Algerians who came closest to being French, by education and training, were usually the most hostile. But this is understandable, because they were the most sensitive to their rejection by the French ruling class. Persistent relegation to inferior status and the internalization of values regarded as most typically American (such as the idea of individual achievement through hark work) have led, especially in recent years, to a different sort of response on the parts of blacks compared with members of most other American ethnic groups. Some began to argue that the more they learned about the wider society and its members’ unwillingness to honor its own lofty ideals, the less they should encourage their “brothers” and “sisters” to accept its basic tenets. Since whites appeared eager to maintain their position of preeminence, many blacks began saying that integration was, in fact, highly dysfunctional for blacks—just as it was in Algiers. These observations are not to suggest that all social scientists who see blacks as the latest immigrants are white supremacists. But they may be quite naïve in assuming that admitting black children to white schools, opening neighborhoods, saying, in effect, “You’re as good as I a,” will solve the problem. Assimilation may have been the goal at one time but it is being severely challenged (see Chapter Seven). http://www.nathanielturner.com/blackexperi...
Posted By: Steve Williams
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 2:51PM
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Hello Steve, Your blog is pure nonsense. I will not allow Black Americans who are my people to be tied up in your irrational nonsense. Since you support Peter I Rose, his rhetoric and nonsense is the same as your rhetoric and nonsense Black Americans who are descendents of slaves will become a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. The time has come that black Americans will have their hands on the helm of their own destiny. Black Americans must come to brave the natural obstacles that nature hurls at every sovereign people and country to be sovereign. Black Americans must experience that close quarter interacting with each other. To have such a relationship we develop our own civilization, culture and other qualities we could never obtain through your nonsense. Black Americans must be sovereign free and will be sovereign free. When this happens then Black Americans could interact with White America and any other race because we will have our own. Do you understand where I am coming from Steve? I am the way for Black Americans as Moses was the way for the Hebrew people. God inspired Moses with a permanent solution of the Exodus. Likewise, God have inspired me with a permanent solution of Sovereignty for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 7:10PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, Please examine your assumption as to why I posted this.
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 7:49PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, You said this, “Please examine your assumption as to why I posted this.” Steve, you have taken the wrong approach. You should be telling me right out what is your assumption for posting this blog. So, why do you not do that? I am not good at mind reading. All that I am is Black Americans first genuine prophet to lead us out of subjugation and into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. What say you?
Tuesday, November 10th 2009 at 10:02PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, I posted this blog because someone asked me to research a certain subject and this is one of the pages I found. I found it thought provoking and posted it for that reason. Not from any agenda other than to present something for open consideration. I have not said I agree or disagree with anything said by the author. I do not have the experience of being black Harry but that doesn't mean I am disinterested. Maybe you could explain what you find so offensive. Hopefully you read the remainder at the link I posted.
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 5:52AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, Now you say the views of your post do not necessarily represents your opinion. However, every post a person would post would be that person’s views unless the person specifically declares a disclaimer. Anyway, Steve, I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Therefore, there are no negotiations or wiggling room to prevent our sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Look at it this way Steve, if they were room for negotiations about the Exodus when Moses was given the same task that I have what would have been the sense of God intervening. When God intervenes, the decision to how things will be has been rendered. Now, if you believe that there is an entity higher than man there is no way you could say that I am wrong, am I right. Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 7:45AM
Harry Watley
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excellent reading and scholarship Steve--- I did not want to get into this piece; but IrmaSiebra made me blink--and now john and I can read an 'irma' posting- but I did learn a new concept"diunitalism'---which I guess means that Americas- slaves and masters descendants are the same-irmasiebra nathan glazer and daniel P. moynihan, asserted that; “the Negro is only an American and nothing else. He has no values and culture to guard and protect.” washington, jefferson, jackson, etc,; fathered children and sold their own boys and girls to be fathered by robinsons, whites, powells, etc.- as part of their own unique American Religion. William James--thought;- "Thus America constantly added the experience and thought of older traditions to its shore; yet at the same time these traditions were themselves profoundly altered by the new habitat.” (Kurtz, American Thought Before 1900, pp. 17) european settlements in America: puritans of Plymouth, anglicans of jamestown, french of the midwest, the hollywood dutch jews and the irish cops---------are American coReligionists- As an American I must believe then that there is no Racialism or racialist distinction between harry, glen beck, dolly parton, irma, daveletterman or beyonce;----negro-white-scot-creole-black-appalacia-newenglander-swede-westerner are all the same folk and coreligionists. That Unique American Expericence is being Changed by a child of Africa------Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama---
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 10:46AM
robert powell
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[The black experience in America is unique—it has no real parallel.] Excellent blog Brother Steve, but I think there are parallels that can be drawn with the Black American experience and others with similar histories. For example, I'm finding that Black Southern, West African, and Carribean cultures and traditions are interrelated because of the Transatlantic Trade Triangle [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_tr... ] with Charleston, S.C. being a major slave port. West Africans eat some foods with their fingers and this is the same for Southern Blacks particularly the old tradition of eating collard greens and cornbread. There is also a working West African Village in Beaufort, South Carolina ( http://www.rootsandrooted.org/?p=247 ) . If you were to visit there you will find no difference from the villages in West Africa. http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charles... . Thanks again Brother Steve for this blog!
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 12:06PM
Jen Fad
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Hello Harry, I decline to disclaim. You use God as your ultimate authority. Do you agree that God created man in his image? That that image involves a mind that can create on its own? If so, is humankind responsible to solve it's own problems? So again, what specific issues to you have with this piece?
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 5:10PM
Steve Williams
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Thanks for the link sister Jen.
Wednesday, November 11th 2009 at 6:17PM
Steve Williams
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[I called her geech only one time. She did take the time to tell me if I value my live, I would let this be the first and the last time I called her this.] Sister Irma that is so funny, but I'm sure it wasn't at the time for you! While I was attending the Univ of S.C., I dated a guy from N. Charleston whose grandparents spoke Gullah. I never truly understood a word. The guy would have to always interpret for me. South Carolina has such a rich history and I am so intrigued the more I learn.
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 3:11AM
Jen Fad
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Hello Steve, You said this, “You use God as your ultimate authority. Do you agree that God created man in his image? That that image involves a mind that can create on its own. If so, is humankind responsible to solve it's own problems?” Yes, God is my ultimate authority. For you to say this Steve you have come a long ways with me. I remember when you assumed that the Bible was my authority as well as authors. Whether it is unbelievable, nevertheless you have come to understand that God is my ultimate authority by constantly inspiring me. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that would lead Black Americans into sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Your obligation is to determine if the things I say are plausible and rational. Now, I understand the phrase that God created man in his own image. However, that is not accurate. What the author is really implying is the ability that man has to rationalize on such a high scale from animals. Now, because we know that God is also known to man as the Intelligent Designer man’s ability to rationalize is close to God’s intelligence, if you will. However, nothing is comparable to God and that is why I say the statement that man was created in the image of God is not accurate. Steve, it is also inaccurate to believe that man could create anything. The notion of creating is reserve only for God. To create is one of God’s attributes. Man’s mind could never create anything since man is a created creature himself. So, is man responsible for solving his own problems? Yes, but with reservations. When the problem overwhelms man then God is obligated to solve the problem for man. For instance, the problem between the Hebrew and the Egyptian people overwhelmed these two people to the extent that God was obligated to resolve it. The Egyptian people did not want to let the Hebrew people go and the Hebrew people wanted to be let go. Likewise, the problems between White America and Black America overwhelm these two people to the extent that God is obligated to resolve. White America do not want to let Black America go and Black America do not have the sense at the moment to want to be let go so God has given Black America their first genuine prophet as God did give the Hebrew people Moses to bring about Black America’s permanent solution of sovereignty on the portion of this continent that Black Americans will inherit from our ancestors. Tell me what you think.
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 11:42AM
Harry Watley
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Stevee, yea my dad was geechie but his greatgrandfather left the islands and came to south carolina mainland. No irmasiebra---the Gullah were original slaves from some say The Cameroon that escaped and developed themselves separately for 200 years, on the islands off of south carolina--away from Americans. irmaSiebra, what is your sudden fascination with farrakhan--it seems since I revealed that he is the berniemadoff of "blackness'-pass the bucket foolishness; you want him as leader-spokesman ---- over President Baraka Hussein Obama. by the way Gullah----west africa alcameroon--alguinea-Islaamic african nations.
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 12:03PM
robert powell
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This is America, we got Ebonics, we got gullah, we got a simple old negro lady and a simple old follower of: Our Leader President Baraka Hussein Obama
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 12:41PM
robert powell
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Hello Harry, If you'd rather discuss God. Okay. Your God is the God of the Israelites. Which is to say, you have the mind of an Israelite.
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 6:03PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, You said this, “Your God is the God of the Israelites. Which is to say, you have the mind of an Israelite.” Steve, do not be silly. Moses God is also Prophet Mohammed’s God, which is also my God. Are you so ignorant to think that we all have our individual Gods? It seems that you really do not understand or have common sense to work with ironing out your wrinkles. Steve, the God of Moses is to Creator or Intelligent Designer of all the worlds. I am still a Black American and not an Israelite. You are extremely stupid. Why do you put yourself in this position for me to label you with these ugly attributes? I took it for granted that since you are White and not a descendent of slaves you would have a bit more intelligence than an average Black American who is a descendent of slaves. But, the more I talk to some of you Whites is the more I am beginning to realize that you all are ignorant too. What say you?
Thursday, November 12th 2009 at 10:05PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, You follow Moses, a descendant of Levi, a descendant of Jacob. You are Israelite. Ask Jeremy.
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 5:45AM
Steve Williams
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And you are right Harry, Ignorance is no respecter of color. Neither is Enlightenment.
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 5:56AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, You said this, “You follow Moses, a descendant of Levi, a descendant of Jacob. You are Israelite. Ask Jeremy.” I do not understand, did Jeremy ask this question of you, or are you inquiring if Jeremy had asked this question of me? Please clarify what you are saying. What say you?
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 8:12AM
Harry Watley
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Irmasiebra, we all can tell when siebra writes for you and when you write irmaEbonicNonsense--- Harry is actually correct---The Creator is the Creator............... Language, definitions, understanding, evolution and level of Comprehension is important in the Sons/Daughters of Adaams idea of The Creator. The Uniquiness of the negro experience is that godTheCreator was defined to slaves through the Dictionary of the master of slaves---this has given the negro a uniquiness in understanding his/her purpose in life----and Who are we? Harry said The Creator that spoke to mosesMusa is the same Creator that inspired jesusIsaIbnMaryam and Mohamed(as)--- That Creator to moses was not blond haired and blue-eyed, that Creator was not a man, a spirit, a holy ghost---- That Creator to jesus was not blond haired and blue-eyed, that Creator was not a man, a spirit, a holy ghost---- That Creator to Mohamed was not blond haired and blue-eyed, that Creator was not a man, a spirit, a holy ghost---- but to the negros unique experience, in their belief; The Creator Was blond haired and blue-eyed, that Creator Was a man, a spirit, and a holy ghost-
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 10:31AM
robert powell
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Hello Harry, Jeremy would say you are an actual descendant of Jacob I'm sure he will make an appearance in good time. The story of the Israelites really begins with their settling in Egypt, the growth of the twelve tribes there, and the Exodus led by Moses. Their religion was the religion of the book of Genesis. All your arguments proceed from the religion of the descendants of Jacob. You are a follower of the Israelites, led by Moses. This will be the starting point for your new religion.
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 4:34PM
Steve Williams
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Robert, In most of the pictures I've seen, he looks Italian.
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 4:46PM
Steve Williams
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Lago de Napoleaon in Northern Italy.
Friday, November 13th 2009 at 4:56PM
robert powell
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Hello Stave, You said this on November 11 in one of your comments to me, “You use God as your ultimate authority“. Now, you say this today, “All your arguments proceed from the religion of the descendants of Jacob. You are a follower of the Israelites, led by Moses. This will be the starting point for your new religion.” Steve, the two comments cannot be true since they are opposite to each other. Your reasoning encourages me to believe that you are a damn fool. Now, the religion of Black Americans is, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are Descendents of Slaves” Just by the name of my religion does it seem to you it has anything to do with Moses? When was Moses ever a Black American? I have an IQ of 68, which is just daily above the threshold of retardation. You have an IQ of above average and yet you are not able to rationalize as straight as I do. Something is mentally wrong with you if in fact you are not a damn fool. When I speak of Moses, it is only for the purposes of comparison and contrast. Moses is Moses. Harry is Harry. Moses was anointed for his Hebrew people. Harry is anointed for his people, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. Am I making things clear to you? Tell me what you think.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 12:09AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, I think it's time to move on again. But I think Clark's comment is on the money.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 7:58AM
Steve Williams
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You are right steve--from Lago de Garda you look to the northeast and see Naso(nose) of Napoleone.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 11:21AM
robert powell
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again irmaSiebra. To be a Muslim--one must bear witness that There is no diety, but Allaah and that Mohamed is the slaveservant of Allaah---- Siebrairma in her own words on this BIA site does not believe that Mohamed of the 1st Century or christian7th Century is the deliverer of the perfection of the sons/daughters of Adaams life journey.---siebra chooses to give divinity to AsSayeed Abdullah Fard Muhammad-- and prohethood to Our father Elijah Muhammad- that type of statement in any Muslim country would get the speaker separation of neck from body. siebra believes her silly thoughts only because the berniemadoff or "blackness"--farrakhan is cute-lightskinned and maybe she likes light articulate men like myself.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 11:32AM
robert powell
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Hello Steve, You said this, “But I think Clark's comment is on the money. “ I am lost. What it is about Clark’s comment that you would say his comment is on the money? Please explain? Okay.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 3:07PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert, You said this, “To be a Muslim--one must bear witness that There is no diety, but Allaah and that Mohamed is the slaveservant of Allaah---- “ This comment is correct since, it could only apply to the Arab race, and this is why. Prophet Mohammed was an Arab man. Prophet Mohammed invented the word Muslim, which means submission to the will of Allah. Prophet Mohammed gave the Arabian people their religion of Islam, which means God’s, will. Prophet Mohammed spoke Arabic and the Quran is written in Arabic. The Quran speaks of the life and doings of Prophet Mohammed and his Arabian people. The Quran clearly states that Allah only raises up prophets from among their kind. Consequentially, the only true Muslim ethnically speaking in the world could only be a person of Arabian descent. Anyone else of a different race claiming to be a Muslim is a counterfeit Muslim. Now, that is not such a difficult needle that a blind man could not thread. Then you said this, “siebra chooses to give divinity to AsSayeed Abdullah Fard Muhammad-- and prohethood to Our father Elijah Muhammad-” Siebra is wrong and so are you, Robert. This is why; Siebra is clearly a Black American woman who is a descendent of slaves. Robert, you are also a descendent of slaves and both of you claims to be Muslims. At this point, it does not matter what type of Muslims you all say you are both of you all are not Muslims since you all are not of Prophet Mohammed’s kind. If I am wrong pull me out in the open and rip me to pieces. However, if I am right, submit to what I say. I am Black America’s first genuine Prophet. What say you?
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 3:41PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, There is only one post by Clark above and one specific comment to you. I see nothing confusing about it.
Saturday, November 14th 2009 at 4:49PM
Steve Williams
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Harry, you and siebra are christians. you both use europeanThought; you believe in the same thing-red color, blue color, yellow color and black color. I am a Muslim. I believe in the color of the dirt that made Adaam only.
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 8:49AM
robert powell
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Hello Steve, I understand the spirit of your blog Steve and I understand why Clark seems to think that the blog supports my position of sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. However, this blog is not any of the legs that would support my position. The only incident that has happened in humanity that supports my position of sovereignty is the comparison and contrast of Moses and the Hebrew people dilemma in Egypt. Now Steve, if I am wrong then you should be able to draw a clear line that would show the Algerian and French differences resemble the same as the Hebrew people in Egypt. If you could do that then the Algerian and French situation is the same as Black Americans and White Americans and I would then admit to you that I am wrong. Otherwise, the only incident that compares and contrasts to Black Americans would be Moses and the Hebrew people. In other words, the two people resolved the Algerian and French conflict. On the other hand, it took an act of God to resolve the conflict between Moses and Pharaoh. The Algerian people had the wherewithal within them selves to push back the French. The Hebrew people had no wherewithal to push back Pharaoh. Black Americans have no wherewithal to push back White America. Black America must rely on the help of God. White America does not want to let Black America go and neither did Pharaoh wanted to let the Hebrew people go. The first sign of God intervention is when God sent Moses to the Hebrew people. Likewise, the sign of God’s intervention is when God sent me to Black America. Are you seeing some comparison and contrast that is worthy of consideration? Now, tell me what you think.
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 11:27AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert, Robert you are not responding to the things I said in my blog about you in your belief in Islam. Let me explain to you what I mean. I adamantly said to you that only Arabian people are real Muslims since Prophet Mohammed was Arab and he came to his own Arabian people. This means that any one else who is not Arabian is a phony Muslim. Genuine prophets that God has risen up could only address their own people. If they do, otherwise they will meet the ends that Jesus did, which was crucifixion or death in some form. Now, this is your response, “Harry, you and siebra are christians. you both use europeanThought; you believe in the same thing-red color, blue color, yellow color and black color.” Robert, how in the hell does this response of yours relates to what I said that you are a wannabe Muslim since the race that you were born into is not Arabian. You believe what you want to believe while I believe what I have to believe. Why I and compel to believe as I do is because truth, common sense, logic, reasoning and rationale forces me to believe what I believe. I could only believe what is true and can be proven. On the other hand, since you believe what you want to believe, your belief is your personal choice. Your belief of making yourself a Muslim is not within the parameters of reasoning, rationale or common sense since you are not an Arab man. It is not a difficult to thread this needle that Islam is specifically for the Arab people since Prophet Mohammed was Arab, spoke Arabic, the Quran is written in Arabic, when Allah began to give Prophet Mohammed revelations it was in the Arabic language as well and Prophet Mohammed invented the word Muslims specifically for his people to identify those who were convert from paganism to Islam. Now, as an intelligent man that you claim you are, your obligation is to show me that I am wrong. Do not tell me any stupid nonsense about Siebra and I are Christians, about colors, or about Adaam. I want to hear what you have to say about the charges I made against you wanting to believe you are a Muslim when in fact you are not. You are not an Arab man. Prophet Mohammed is not your Prophet. I am your Prophet. I have openly declared that I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim. I am a believer and follower only in God, since I am a genuine prophet of God. The Quran clearly tells you that Allah raises up prophets from among their own kind and you are not of Prophet Mohammed’s kind. What say you?
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 12:05PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, "It is impossible to discern what historical events lie behind the book of Exodus, given the lack of contemporaneous evidence outside the Bible. Reconstructions run the gamut from identifying the Pharaoh of the plagues with Rameses II (1279-1213 BCE) to asserting that the entire story is metaphorical, and Israel was never in Egypt." The New Oxford Annotated Bible, Third Edition
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 12:22PM
Steve Williams
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Irma, Egypt is still in Africa..Near Canaan to be sure. Not so near West Africa.
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 1:27PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, I do not understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the story is not true? What are you saying? What do you believe based on whatever? I believe and I know that the story is true. Now Steve, you have to pick one or the other. I cannot argue in good faith with you while you are straddling the line. I have definitively said I believed the story because I know the story is true and can prove it. So again, what is your position? What say you?
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 2:14PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, The story is largely metaphorical. I would not go as far as to say that Israel was not enslaved in Egypt. Slavery was common back then.
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 2:28PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, Again, you have to stop straddling the line. Either it is metaphorical or it is not, it cannot be a little of each. Pick which position that you will stand on so the dialogue can move forward. I have picked my position. I am not straddling the line. Now, I have an IQ of 68 just barely passed the threshold of retardation and I am not having any problems standing on my position ready to prove it. While you who are above average intelligence is having cognitive difficulty. What say you?
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 2:48PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert, You said this, “Harry says Mohamed(as) made up the Arabic word Muslims.---” Yes, I said that and I explained why. Prophet Mohammed invented the word Muslim to call the new converts to Islam among his Arabian people from paganism to Islam. Furthermore, since Prophet Mohammed spoke Arabic it would be obvious that the word he invented would be Arabic. You would not have expect Prophet Mohammed to invent an English word, would you, dummy? English speaking people invents English words all the time to describe new incident. Therefore, there is expected and common sense that Prophet Mohammed would invent an Arabic word since he speaks Arabic to call his converts. Stop being dumb Robert. Robert you need to stop being a dumb ass and think a little. What you need to do Robert is to prove that Prophet Mohammed did not invent the word Muslim. However, the preponderance of the evidence says that he did invent word Muslim since the word Muslim never was used in the Arabic language before Prophet Mohammed. The word Muslim, Islam and the holy Quran are all tied into Prophet Mohammed. As much understanding that, you have about Islam you should have the same amount of understanding to realize that you are championing the Arabian people customs, ways and rituals while you are a Black American. You are championing nothing about whom and what you are. That is typical of the understanding of my blog that Black Americans void of intelligence. Now, how intelligent could you be? You Robert are nothing but dumb ass. Next, you said this, “No, harry, Mohamed did not invent the arabic language” Dumb ass, I did not say Mohammed invented the Arabic language. Idiot I said that he invented the word Muslim. Inventing a word is very different from inventing a language, dummy. Now I have a 68 IQ and I can figure all this out why you cannot? The bottom line is how you could be a Muslim when you are not an Arab man. I told you before, that I am your prophet and not Prophet Mohammed. Prophet Mohammed was the prophet of the Arabian people. Are you Arab, dummy? Since you know that, you are not Arab you need to get out of the Arab mind and find the line that your people are in and getting to that line, dummy. Likewise, if the teacher were taken the entire class to the bathroom would you line up in the girl’s line? I should hope that you would know your gender since you do not know what race you belong. What say you?
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 7:29PM
Harry Watley
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again, Muslim is in the arabic language, and the hebrew language and probably sumerian language; AS MUSLIM--- I know that in the hospital there; you may not have a library but there is in 2009--internet. My lintage as a Monotheistic Believer started with Adaam and eveHowah.--- I am not a christian that believes in the Racilistic Ignorance of europeanchristian origin.
Sunday, November 15th 2009 at 9:40PM
robert powell
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Hello Robert, You do not seem to understand that the word Muslim originated with Prophet Mohammed in the Arabic language. Therefore, if you see a like word (Muslim) in another language, it may be spelled differently to conform to that language, but it did not originate in that language. The word Muslim originated in the Arabic language since Prophet Mohammed is Arabian and he spoke the Arabic language. For instance, the English-language has Latin words and modified in spelling when possible. Nevertheless, these English words originated in other languages. Likewise, when you see the word Muslim in another language the word nevertheless originated in Arabic. How difficult is that for you to understand? Next, you said this, “My lintage as a Monotheistic Believer started with Adaam and eveHowah.--- I am not a christian that believes in the Racilistic Ignorance of europeanchristian origin.” Robert, I am not talking about you being a Monotheistic Believer. I am saying to you that since you are not an Arab man, but instead a Black American why do you believe in Islam as your religion? You are confused. For instance, my religion is, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are Descendents of Slaves.” My religion is Monotheistic, but it is not Islam. The religion, Judaism is Monotheistic as well, but it is not Islam nor is it, The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are Descendents of Slaves. Therefore, your argument about monotheism is pointless. The question I have presented to you is that since you are a Black American your religion should be, The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are Descendents of Slaves and not Islam since Islam is specifically for the Arabian people. Black America’s religion is specifically for Black Americans. Prophet Mohammed is not show prophet. I am your prophet whether you like it or not. Prophet Mohammed had the same problems among his people as I am now having with you. Religions are directly tied to the problems of that particular people that the Prophet has been risen up by God to resolve. In other words, Allah rose up Prophet Mohammed to convert his people from paganism to Islam since paganism was the specific problem of the Arabian people. The problem of Black Americans is not paganism, but instead it is our sovereign freedom. That is what I am trying to get your thick head to understand and you have not said that I was wrong. What you do is try to sidestep what I am saying with monotheism. What say you?
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 4:12AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Irma, I am sorry to hear about your sister. Give her my blessing, please. Okay.
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 4:16AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve, By the way, Steve, from your perspective since you are not Black and a descendent of slaves what it is that you find unique about Black America’s experience. Tell me what you think.
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 4:20AM
Harry Watley
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based upon my expericence in America. Monotheistic Belief of course is judeochristanAlIslaamic----all I have said from day one ---- is that science, scholarship and history teach men Evolution--- AlIslaam is the Scholastic, Scienctific and Historical Evolution of Monotheistic Belief----
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 9:48AM
robert powell
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/* By-the-by, Thankyou, Brother Steve...the piece is well recived and appreciated, by ME as it is by others...well written and researched piece, My Brother! Peace Be Unto You, Greg. */
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 11:15AM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
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Hello Robert, You said this, “AlIslaam is the Scholastic, Scienctific and Historical Evolution of Monotheistic Belief----” This is an incorrect statement. Abraham’s belief monotheism and it was before Al Islam. What you are trying to say is that Al Islam started monotheism and you all wrong. Al Islam came along to be counted with other monotheistic beliefs in God. Again, the religion of Black Americans, The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are Descendents of Slaves is monotheistic, yet it is neither Al Islam nor Judaism. Next, you said this, “Monotheistic Belief of course is judeochristanAlIslaamic” Christianity is not monotheism since they believe in a deity of a human man. Christianity is really an idolatry religion since they believe in a human man. They mask their belief in Jesus as somehow being God in human at the same time. Perhaps the White Christians knows better since the Black Christians are void of intelligence. For these reasons and more, I have come to get Black Americans who thinks they are Muslims and the Black Christians that believes a man could be God. You, Robert is among the ignorant since you believe that you are an Arabian Muslim. What say you?
Monday, November 16th 2009 at 12:10PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry, You stated on Brother Greg's blog that black and white has served you well for 65 years. It does not however serve me well. When I say the story is largely metaphorical it does not preclude me from considering the historical fact behind it, And as metaphor it doesn't need to be historical to have meaning. Remember it was the beginning of a bigger story. Just a thought: What if the civil rights era were considered the Exodus, and the current age the conquest of Canaan? Mr. Obama as a modern day Joshua.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 4:27PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Harry. "what it is that you find unique about Black America’s experience." What it is, that Black America is one of those constructed entities that would have 41 million or so American Citizens considered One. What I find unique are all the individuals claiming African American descent or Black American descendant of Slaves. Or simply American regardless of descent.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 5:59PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve, You are going a little too fast for me. I had asked you do you believe the story of Moses is true, or do you believe that it is metaphorical? Please give me a definitive answer or say you do not know and I will take over. Because I see, things in black-and-white and you know that I need a definitive answer from you since you were the one that suggested the story is a metaphor. Again, please give me a definitive answer if you believe that the story of Moses is a metaphor so the conversation can move forward. Okay.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 6:10PM
Harry Watley
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I believe the story of Moses is a metaphor
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 6:30PM
Steve Williams
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Oh, oh, some where along the line of this reasoning I got lost, if the Prophet Mohammed is in any the one of the Muslims...because if so then Harry maybe this can be used by the family and friends of this soldier for being so upset over him speaking out the name of his God.... That is if I have not been lead off course as a fact about what I "believe" Harry has been saying about 'his God"....
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I Steve, I believe that to this extent that this post goes it is correct and for these reasons.but, hopefully at the risk of offending any religion, what "I" see as the greatest divide of us African-Americans is our out look on what we are taught to believe. and, this is the European-centered of who and what we are or the African-centered of who and what we are:(Me I believe we are both as African-Americans) Lets take someone like Ministers Farrakhan and Wright their teachings/preachings come in the form of African-cented or Black in America's direct ties With Africa then and now.And, their version of our actual history is what I have chosen for me. Those who like me believe the African-centered version true history must and do resist that our history began in America only when the Christians used their faith/Bible to make us HUMAN, people with souls so that we can appreciate suffering as our ticket into the presents of THEIR VERSION OF HEAVEN(again no disrespect only version of what our president was refering to when he went to Africa)...and as long as those like me believe that the ships slave being brought to America by Jewish money were not praying to the same God, as those in chains and dying from inhuman treatment were not praying to the same God; just from my plain every day sense and the records of this , I believe this when they say it.Those who do not, have the right to call them anti-christian, Anti-American and also to call our black president the anti-christ as they do beause he listens to this. I do not believe that I am a new form of human who had no culture, language, cities, villiges and were able to do many many things that humans could/did do befor they came to the new world with all of this intact...but, they did not have white skin...they were more interested in not doing any things to damage Mother Nature(the whole planet)than abusing their religion to go forth and conquor... I believe that like every other color, religions, financial statis of the human is this AMERICA is /was this way because of mixings of race, creed and color except the ones from Africa (?!?)...this is the divide and only us as proud of where we came from as a proud, constructive members of the human race, then there will always be a divide...PREJUDICE...Mine is better than your______________and because this is a natural instince of survival or all of mankind will be, an example... like my not likeing pineapple or even some members of my own family will always play a leading role in this play called living in a community no matter what...and, if mankind do find creactchers of any kind,any place in the Univers, be it human or like the :ants, trees, waters, land, air, they will do is do what they have been taught to do and just like they did the Native-American, either rule over or try to distroy their form of what they have deemed not being CIVILIZED....(they will do tis because they can use the tired and true metod of making them like them or die... thank you my brother Steve, I have never read this before, but it has helped me farther learn moresomething that I had not looked at relating to my race before.Things like this go so far in my desire to learn as much about my race as possiable so that I can contiue to grow more enlightened as this is my goal.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Steve, "There are non so blind as those who refuses to SEE" "the pot calling kettel black","those in glass houses should not throw stones" to name only a few efforts used to try to explain the behaviors of the roberts of the world. example, a person so determined to convince the world that to pay attention to what Siebra/Irma, Farrakhan/wright have to say is an idiot while in the same breath are saying,"trust that every thing they say is true and good for us is my complete belief".(smile) this very post and the responses from and what was said by brother Clark and Sister Jen I also offer as farther proof of the value and wisdom you have shown Steve for making this blog...again thanks...YES WE CAN...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Steve becaue you provided the tool for Jen to add to it and because the two of you may not know it this is exactly why in your generation doing this has become a new science in America.(smile) Many, many programs have been set up to record history like this for the future .our ORAL form of passing on BIA we now want passed on intact with less loss of knowing about it...for example, being born in the south, we ate cornbread and collards with our fingers. We did this as learned behavior, but had no idea why we did this but White people did not.(smile) Again a reason why e hae been TAUGHT to hate those like Farrkhan and wright because the white majority see this as a way to farther keep the majority doing what they themselves can not do...like Michael Stelle.(smile) why these people of the PURE conservative are really intended to get president Obama out of the White by any mans necessary...but they must get us on their side, using rev. Wright and farrakhan did not do this...WAKE UP...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Steve, your question to what gullah and geech means is very interesting and here is the story I have told before on this site...One day a scientist doing study of some african-americans who had gone so unnoticed by society at large(whoses lands an property they had until the outside world until WWII are now loosing it to the very rich major almost all of this in this short time...speak "Gullah". In a sense use Standard African without almost no contamination from Stand english into the language of the part of Africe their ancestors came from. W hen the sicietist took them to Africa neither the Africans or them who spoke GULLAR need no translation...Actually this is why the Oral history of our peoples actually went into full force on recording our BIA in actual words of our time for the future began...with Gullah...much like the discovery of Tut's tomb to this science.(smile) Now Geech is a difinition of the black people from S.C.but an outsider calling these people from S.C. this is a way to get you dead quicker than the word *****, be you black , red, blue or white! but like the word "*****" it is best for the Geeches to call them self this...a geech is a Black person born in S.C who speaks English or Ebonics with the same accent as the Ntive-Africans...now this is the things I have personally experienced and I learned about Gullah in a black history class, Steve here is an experience of not calling them Geech.A lady name Mary was so close to our family until I called her my second mom. She was from Spartenburg S.C. and because she spoke Geech, I called her geech only one time. She did take the time to tell me if I value my live, I would let this be the first and the last time I called her this.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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THE MIND IS A TERRIABLE THING TO W-A-S-T-E.(smile) ......................................"E-G-O.................WE SHALL OVER COME SOME DAY. PEACE OUT.lol
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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iT IS TOO BAD HOW WE CAN NOT HAVE EBONICS NOR GULLAH. Any thing that goes to show that people with black skin truly aRe not human by way of saying they have not one ability of those who are not classified as African-American. THEIR LOSS.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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THIS IS AMERICA, WE HAVE MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS OF MINISTER FARRAKHAN with unconditional love and respect and trust.This is why all of his followers do not belong to the NOI....YES WE CAN...yes we do...(smile) THIS IS AMERICA, THIS IS WHY WE CAN NOW HAVE '2' REPUBLICAN AND '2' DEMOCRAT POLITICAL PARTIES. ONE MADE UP OF "THE PURE" who will not recoginize "our leader BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA" BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN...the other ones can follow at their own RISK.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Boy Steve that comment of yours sure packed a powerful reality check.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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oh Harry, it may help to lessen your stresss if you can learn to accept these two truths... Color of the skin is not a "belief" it is a discription/ idenification... The Arabians are decendances of the Jewish identity... ....................................(smile)............................
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I am so grateful that so many I have met on this site has been able to get me to see that it is not the fault in the religions that are not Buddhist that so , so ,so many peoples use their religions to spend their lives uning their religion to commit assault and battery on our open society. YOu on the site White, black blue red, yellow have made me so reasured, I may just begin to call my Buddhist "practice' a religion.(smile) And, my thanks to all of you and you know exactly who you all are.(smile) My step -mother just died and my sister may be dying maybe soon from cancer...I will be off site for a short time, but you all will still be on my mind...I a proud to call you my friends and site family...this means you also Harry, robert and JW... Much love and I will miss all of you.good night...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Thanks Steve as I never thought I would live to see the day they would CHANGE this back on all of the maps.(smile)That is if you mean on all of the maps of today...but, some is still good...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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robert, you have no way to know how comforting and assuring and reassuring your belief that Siebra and I can write so close to the unique Black experience that we can fool SOME PEOPLE on who really wrote it......I am even more moved because of the 'theme' of this post epecially, and, because She is speaking about the Black experience from the eyes of someone who practices Islam and is a Muslim. Me, I am a N.D. Buddhist and yet until coming to the site I never have ever know that this member of the Nation,siebra existed... She maybe did not know that an African-American and expecially one who grew up as a Catholic was or could be a Buddhist... and even better your statement goes to show that W-E the human beings have more in commen than we know unless we reach out beyond the MINE IS BETTER THANYOURS...that I am always talking against... Thanks Steve forever for this post as it has been a way to be able to show what the Words of your Bible really means...much lov, my brother in spirit.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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robert, each year my sisters and brothers and I meet for thanksgiving at my step mother's home...I am the only one wo is nt there every year...The brother I got off the phone with just before I came on this site,is in Philly right now for a special reason,lives in N.Y. and is a member of the NOI... I am mentioning this because I have a lot of sisters and brothers although we all started out as Catholic if you were to come to Thanksgiving in my stepmother's home this year for the traditional Thanksgiving dinner, you would see us join in a Catholic grace before we eat,in actuality there will be 4 generations and any religious faiths you can name...At this time, we are truley because we know that we repesent the unity that can be reached some day...you will also see short, tall people, rich people and not so rich people...every skin color, natueal hair color and eye color and we are united as one, we have always been this way...one of my sisters is a nondemonital preacher and former drug addict and if she had never got pregnant with her first child she may still be a Catholic, and a drug addict, while the others do not smoke, drink or have ever been in jail...all have finished school, college or still trying to graduate...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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WE SHALL OVER COME SOME DAY...to live and think as only the powers of others as haveing the ablilty to make our personal choices to be the best person that we can be under our own God and man given civil rights/ legal rights to do these vrey things ourselves.(smile) My brother in spirit Steve, I grow to love the theme and the unity of this post each and every day...YES WE CAN...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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....and EGYPT was AFRICAN UNTIL ABOUT A CENTURY AGO.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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