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The problem I have with the reparations argument is the lack of accepting responsibility on the parts of Blacks. I can see why whites are reluctant and are scared of pushing reparations with any vigor. It's because we will not acknowledge that Slavery was invented by Blacks and we killed more of our own invading neighboring countries than died in the Middle Passage. We were the ones whom divided the slaves by tribe and language so as they will make good product to our buyers whom feared slaves uniting and overthrowing ships. We navigated the ships that traveled back and forth in the Atlantic. African prophets long ago foretold we would sink to such a low we would enslave our own and traffic them all over the world in the name of greed and ambition. So when you look at the some of the whiteman's reluctance to offer reparations it makes sense. Slavery was a legal system and the treatment of slaves was the business of it's owners not it's descendants whom are now angry with how the process went. Under this new light I hold no bitterness towards slavery. What I am upset and you should be too is what happened after slavery. The Jim Crow era was illegal and since we were free people we were entitled to certain rights that were violated and that is the only legal argument we have for reparations. The burning down of Black towns all across America in the early 1920's and late 1800's with government assistance and cover up is what caused our current condition not slavery. I don't think no condition is so severe a people can not recover from it. But we still are oppressed as millions of us sit in prisons and locked in ghettos throughout America. We are economically squeezed and our progress is thwarted at every level of society. But I still feel that we can overcome that with the help of noble whites and other groups including our own people from other countries. But we have to take responsibility to see that security and justice reigns in our communities. We must stamp out anti-socialism and incompetence in leadership and in our homes. We must bring to justice killers, rapists, drug dealers, pimps, child abusers and even crooked churches and mosques must be handed justice as well. I know religion is a touchy issue to some of you but it must be cleaned up in order to prove to the world we are a civilized people who wants to progress with the rest of the world. We can't claim we are broke economically while we pour out our life's blood to make wealthy crooked preachers and ministers. We have to start using religion strictly for enlightment and teaching of the people rather than using it to self grandize a few greedy ambitious souls whom find it difficult to earn an honest living like the rest of us. I know God has created good noble people in all races including our own that are willing to help us but we must show more responsibility and integrity as a people. At any case we rule ourselves we must decide upon a just government or chaos will rule us and we will be back were we started. Thank you for reading.
Posted By: John Washington
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 11:30PM
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I think that it's just to offer Blacks what they lost during the times we were a free people. I can be broke but if I hit your car and total it I'm still required to pay up not matter my circumstance. America owes us for the era when we were free and they conspired to make us into an oppressed group within their borders. We are owed for all we lost as free people! Regardless of others issues with it. They came into the situation knowing it was unfair but didn't care that we were victims and that they would be living off of our oppression. So **** them.
Thursday, November 19th 2009 at 8:18AM
John Washington
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Greetings to All,
Let me tell you something about reparation.
Reparation is not something that is applicable to Black Americans who are descendents of slaves, and this is why.
The second people right after White Americans on this continent was Africans. Africans were sold to Whites and therefore Africans became the responsibility and property of Whites.
Next, Whites began to breed themselves with the Africans, which produced 41 million people that I refer to as Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. Black Americans are neither Africans nor Caucasians. Now and historically speaking, Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery.
Black Americans are White America’s biological relatives and property since Black Americans came from the loins of White Americans. Black Americans were also White America’s economy, which catapult White American people in this country on the road to becoming a superpower that it is today. In addition, Black Americans fought alongside White Americans against the Native Indians and other ethnicities that had staked out claims on the real estate of this continent. Black Americans were many vital things to White America that they had a Civil War not because they meant our ancestors any good, but because their conscience was bothering them. The right thing was to have been done was to follow through with the 40 acres and a mule concept. However, they step away from that but will face the concept of our sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. God knows that justice delayed is justice denied. Our time has come; we are the apple of God’s eye. I am the anointed one.
Next, White America opened its borders and encouraged emigrants to occupy the land as White America was rapidly annihilating the native Indians. The Oklahoma land rush is a part of White America’s history, am I right? Black Americans are more than slaves or property of White America. Black Americans are White America’s children and relatives. I said all that to say this about RAPARATION.
Black Americans are not entitled to reparation. Reparation is compensation, usually monetary giving to a people that has been wronged.
For instance, what President Roosevelt did to the American Japanese citizens during World War II comes within the parameters of reparation. Black Americans are entitling to a portion of the real estate of this continent. By virtue of all the things that I said above Black Americans will inherit a portion of this continent from both of our ancestors, African and White ancestors. Our African ancestors no longer exist today as they did when they marched off the slave ships. However, our White ancestors exist today. White America has control over our inheritance and I cannot say with any certainty now that White America will block our inheritance. We will know for certain at some time in the near future.
Just as when Moses began, he did not know for certain that Pharaoh would not let his people go. However, Moses gut feelings were that Pharaoh would not let his people go and therefore it was necessary for God to convince Pharaoh it was best on his part that he let the Hebrew people go.
Since we are not immigrants, we are not entitling to reparations. We will inherit a portion of this continent. As hard pressed as I anticipate White America to be I do not think that White America is ignorant to suffer the same faith as Pharaoh did. Consequentially, the wise learns from the errors made by those in the pass.
Right now, White America is holding off the inevitable by offers of things will get better. In other words, a shrewd businessperson as White America is will offer you (A) to void having to give you (B). What I am saying is this, it does not matter what White America offers and what Black Americans accept, and the inevitable is that Black Americans will inherit a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way.
Tell me what you think.
Friday, November 20th 2009 at 6:46PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Mr. Weston and Mr. Clarke,
Mr. Clark said, “Reparations for slavery would be problematic for some of the reasons Murphy mentioned, and others.------ But there should be reparations for blacks who were denied access to government programs that all whites were allowed to participate in, due to discrimination. The best example is the GI Bill.”
Mr. Weston said, “I agree with Mr. Maxwell on this one”
Now, let me put some colorful rhyme and reasoning to both of you all inferior thinking of yourselves.
Let us begin with the known fact that Mr. Murphy is White, he sees things White, and that shows he has a psychologically healthy mind. In other words, any psychiatrists will tell you that a person speaking up favoring his own ethnicity is psychologically healthy. On the other hand, anyone not favoring his own ethnicity as a sovereign entity, but sees themselves inclusive in Mr. Murphy’s ethnicity, such a person psychologically dead. To think as you, Mr. Clark and Mr. Weston the chances of your race ever becoming something has no chance. Since you insist with in Mr. Murphy’s ethnicity, you could only grow as Mr. Murphy’s ethnicity allows you. Our youths recognize that you all are some sorry individuals.
My next point is that ground zero for both of you is White American people system. Both of you are no better than the experiment done many years ago when a Black female child was giving a Black doll and a White doll and was asked which doll do she wants to have? The Black female child 10 out of 10 times picked the White doll. Do you suppose there are strong similarities with this child picking a White doll and you two grown educated men see yourselves through White people’s eyes with this White G.I. Bill concept instead of desiring to be a sovereign people governing yourselves? Do you suppose Black Americans will always exist in White America’s world?
In other words, the G.I. Bill is White America’s thing. The government that Blacks are denied access to is White America’s thing. Therefore, everything that comes out of the sick minds of the both of you, Mr. Clark and Mr. Weston is White America’s thing. None of you seems to have the innate imagination to say what if we, as a people had our thing?
In other words, what if we had a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders that we had our hands on the helm of our own destiny we could have a G.I. Bill for our own people and immigrants in our country. However, this type of autonomy thinking is difficult to conceive even by those that possess advanced educational degrees. Why is that so, Mr. Weston and Mr. Clark?
Please tell me where I have gone wrong since you all feel that you are right.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, November 21st 2009 at 2:25PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Mr. Clark,
Mr. Clarke this blog of Mr. Washington is about reparations for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves.
You, Mr. Clarke, feels that Black Americans are entitling to reparations and you went on to give your reasons why. Mr. Weston concurred with you.
I came on board and disagreed with all of you. I said that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are not entitling to any form of reparation since Black Americans are co-owners with White Americans to the real estate of this continent. I gave a detail explanation how Black Americans are co-owners to this continent and that we want our portion of this continent to make into our country that we could become a sovereign people or have complete independence.
Now, Mr. Clarke, what you are faced with is to tear apart my rationale and premise that Black Americans are not co-owners to the real estate of this continent. We have a very good dialogue here that will tell the sharpness of our minds. This has nothing to do with ego but more so how we rationalize. So, if you could show that Black Americans are not co-owners I will go along with your White people G.I. Bill.
Many things are at stake, your slave mentality of being stuck to White people and my relentless pursue to pull you away from White people to become a real man. I do not want to see you as White man’s man. It is about time you begin to entertain the thought of having your hands on the helm of your own destiny. You belong to the race of Black Americans. Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery and we must become a sovereign people to depend on ourselves that tomorrow we could become the world’s superpower as White America are today. Okay.
Let us first start with my claim that Black Americans’ ancestors were Africans slaves and White Americans of British descent. Is this claim wrong or is it right? After giving your answer, then we will move on to my next claim and the next claim until a comprehensive picture emerges that will support Black Americans are co-owners of this continent and in so being Black Americans are not entitling to reparations.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, November 21st 2009 at 9:12PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Mr. Mozell,
Let me start out by mentioning how much annoyed and frustrating it is to me that none of you knuckleheads would quote just what I say. I have always been saying I promote and advocate the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders, to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. I further stated that Black Americans must come to have their hands on the helm of their own destiny.
Now Mr. Mozell, you as well as many others always say the same stupid ****, and that is this, “Mr. Watleys idea of his seperate but equal state is just as wrong as racism.”
Mr. Mozell, I neither promotes nor advocates a separate and equal state for Black Americans. What you are saying is entirely different from what I am saying about sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
In addition, my concept, which is Black Americans’ only permanent solution, will eliminate all the nonsense about reparation and the ridiculous reasons that you all give to justify reparation. Black Americans are not entitling to reparations. We are co-owners to this continent as White Americans are. We are not immigrants. Half of our ancestors, African slaves were bought with real money by White English people. The other half of our ancestors is White people. Again, we are not immigrants.
Black Americans belongs to White American people. Chinese, Mexicans, Italians and others do not belong to White American people as Black Americans does. Chinese, Mexicans and Italians have their own sovereign country they immigrated from to this country.
Black Americans are a people that were made on this continent by the breeding of Whites with Blacks. Black Americans sovereign country is a portion of this continent that we will inherit by divine means in due time. Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. Why is this so difficult for you all to understand, especially when you cannot show that I am wrong? Why is it that you all do not want to flex your brain muscles to see what you could do with out the aid of White America? I know why, it is because you all are mentally dead and dread depending on yourselves. You all have the mentality of children that when you see the mother walks away from a child, the child begins to scream and cry running to catch up. Well, that is natural for a child to do. But, it is not natural for an entire race of people to have the mentality of a child.
You all are the same way the Hebrew people were when Moses came on the scene and just as the Hebrew people frustrated and annoyed Moses, you all frustrates and annoys me the same. Even though we are both prophets, nevertheless we are human and can be annoyed and frustrated.
I am going to tell you all again, you need to embrace the concept of becoming a sovereign people because it is going to happen anyway.
What say you?
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 9:56AM
Harry Watley
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LOL...I have honest to Almighty God been uncontrolably laughing my quite well clothed behind off!!!
LOL...I was going to leave a comment on this blog but what the HELL do I stumble across much to my shock and amazement????
LOL...Harry, have you resorted to cussing on the blog now???
LOL...I can hardly get through this post for the inability to stop crackin up!
LOL...I aint exaggeratin or kiddin in the least yall!
LOL..I'm clearing my throat right now as I type!
LOL...Oh my God I have fallen out of my chair somebody please hand me a tissue to dry my eyes!!!
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 8:08PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Ms. Siebra Mr. Mozell,
You all are making something out of nothing. The word, **** is equivalent to a little white lie. It is not a heavy-duty word as the F word is. I am human and sometimes you all get under my skin as the Hebrew people got under the skin of Moses. Nevertheless, you all are my people and I love you all.
Now, tell me why one word, would cause you all not to focus on my entire comment?
What say you?
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 9:18PM
Harry Watley
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The funny thing about you is, usually a person with foul body odor doesn't smell themselves. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU NEED HELP SERIOUSLY...
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 9:36PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Ms. Siebra,
You said this, “YOU NEED HELP SERIOUSLY…”
Now, you tell me what sort of serious help I need when I promote and advocate the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
Now, Mr. Elijah Muhammad turned out to b a perverted man screwing as many young sisters as he could because of how the NOI came to believe that he had good morals. So, tell me if Mr. Elijah needed serious help as well as yourself and the father who followed and believed in him as well.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 9:58PM
Harry Watley
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Again Harry,
Insanity is not a reason to LIE about a man who has been dead for 35 years.
Elijah Muhammad was a believer and a believer can have 4 wives.
Sunday, November 22nd 2009 at 10:03PM
robert powell
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Hello Robert,
You said this, “Elijah Muhammad was a believer and a believer can have 4 wives.”
Perhaps Elijah Muhammad would have been entitled to have four wives if Black Americans were a sovereign people or had complete independence on the portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders and that was our law as a people. Otherwise, Mr. Elijah Muhammad was immoral man in a perverted man.
One of the disciplines of intelligence and integrity is to know and knowledge when a law is broken irrespective to whom ever broke the law, since no one is to be above the law. Now, if you could bend the law because of your love for Elijah Muhammad you intelligence, trust and integrity are worth little to nothing.
When King David realized that, he was immortal, perverted and a murderer he fell on his face in front of the Prophet Namath and ask God’s forgiveness. How it is you could still see Elijah Muhammad without sin? You need to be thrown into hell’s fire in front of Elijah Muhammad because you are worse than he was to protect his sin, am I right.
The Black Americans that I would need into sovereignty will be on new people entirely different from you present ignorant Blacks that has no integrity as you, Robert are one of these ignorant Blacks without integrity.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, November 23rd 2009 at 1:04AM
Harry Watley
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MOZELL YOU'RE A BABY BOOMER AND YOU PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON EDUCATION. There is certainly enough educated Blacks that could educate the other uneducated Blacks when is this going to happen? Why are churches not like the Temples of Egypt where they taught math, science and civilizations? Instead we got this hooting and hollering all the way to heaven just to go into the pockets of the poor?
As far as Harry you're nutz man. You stole that portion of this continent crap from the N.O.I and the you're a prophet from the same teachings. You're an old fool dying for some attention. Lol. Go and watch Jerry Springer and get off the internet and enjoy what little time left of your life.
Slaves have no rights. Slavery is over. The only true legal case for African Americans is to prove the government had a hand in our oppressed condition and free people. Free people have rights. That's why the Native Americans, Jews and Japanese received reparations idiots. Mozell and some of Baby Boomers constantly ramp on education but you need it yourselves. Learn the law. Slavery was legal. I repeat Slavery was legal and therefore Whites aren't entitled to pay back any of that that happened to slaves. Only free people are entitled to rights and therefore can bring a legal suit as victims. That's why the Armistad prisoners where freed because they proved they were free people and thus entitled to the right to defend themselves and regain their freedom. Only free people have rights and that's worldwide law.
Thursday, November 26th 2009 at 12:46AM
John Washington
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Hello Mr. Washington,
Let me open by saying that criticizing me Mr. Washington is not going to make the day. You need to prove that I am nutz by showing what I am saying is crazy.
I understand your mindset and your argument about reparation. Therefore, I may be able to unwind you and give you the right perspective about reparations.
It is apparent to me that the water your boat is floating on is White American water. I say that because your argument is based on White American law.
For example, you said this, “Learn the law. Slavery was legal. I repeat Slavery was legal and therefore Whites aren't entitled to pay back any of that that happened to slaves.”
Psychologically speaking, you are voluntarily accepting that White America is superior to you whether you win or lose the argument since they will be deciding the faith of your argument. I believe that your argument is in the wrong court.
For instance, suppose Moses had taken his argument before Pharaoh to let his people go, do you think the Exodus would have ever happened. It was a higher entity than Pharaoh that decided the fate of Moses and the Hebrew people. Black Americans will follow the same precedents.
Black Americans are not entitling to any forms of reparation. You need to drop and forget about reparation altogether.
Black Americans are co-owners to this country. In other words, White Americans and Black Americans jointly own this country. Black Americans will inherit a portion of this continent from our ancestors who were the original African slaves and present day White America. Black America’s portion will become our sovereign country with borders that we may pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
Black Americans must come to have their hands on the helm of their own destiny. No form of reparation could afford this ever happening for Black Americans.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world.
White Americans will be hard-pressed, but they will be happy about our sovereignty.
Tell me what you think.
Thursday, November 26th 2009 at 9:56AM
Harry Watley
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