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Mr. Maxwell the video is there. It's the very first one.
I never said that anything is exclusive to one group and that's the point of the video. I just started a new cub scout pack in my town and had to hear 2 or 3 times that "black kids don't do scouting.".
You often hear other foollishness concerning hockey, ball room dancing, science fiction ( which I love ), classical music etc.
Sunday, December 20th 2009 at 5:58PM
George Cook
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Hello to all,
Mr. Cook said this, “I just started a new cub scout pack in my town and had to hear 2 or 3 times that "black kids don't do scouting.".”
I do not think that any of you all including Mr. Cook sees far enough to understand the significance of what those Black kids are saying at the entry level. In other words, at the entry level they are saying that race or ethnicity matters am I right.
In addition, you all as the elders being blind do not know how best to handle this kind of situation, so what you do is force the Black kids in one way or another to be White anyway, am I right.
I posted a blog and a few weeks ago entitled, “Does Race Matters”. Of course, it does matter.
When my daughter was graduating from high school I found out that, many of the Black kids were not going to attend the prom and it was because of the country music. The Black kids were not into country music and the school could have cared less until they were confronted.
So, does race matter? Of course, it matters.
Am I wrong to promote and advocate the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders? You all know that I am not wrong.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, December 20th 2009 at 7:15PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Clark,
Assuming that your post is addressed to me, what is the point that you are making. What I understand is that you had liked scouting. I do not have any problems with your likeness for scouting, but how does that connect to what Mr. Cook’s church Cub Scout kids are saying that they see Cubs Scouting as a White thing?
Supposing that Black Americans were a sovereign people, with the same setting for Cub Scouting, do you think that those same Black kids would think that scouting is a White thing or a Black thing? Incidentally, our church, but our religion would not be Christianity. Instead, our religion would be, “The Salvation of God for the Sovereignty of Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”. Our religious book would tell of how God came to me and how things happened that we became a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. In fact, our religious book would have people in it, such as King, Elijah Muhammad, and President Jimmy Carter etc. Again, do you think life would be different for those Black kids, Clark?
However, what I really want from you in addition to what I have just said above is what are Mr. Cook’s kids saying? In other words, what are Mr. Cook kid’s problems that they would think Cub Scouting is a White thing? Okay.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, December 20th 2009 at 10:02PM
Harry Watley
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hey I was a scout, learned to shoot, my kids love the woods, too
and I still love Lawrence Welk-only safe song lyrics for children left on tv.
my polka is bad though
And of course I love the Change of President Baraka Hussein Obama
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 8:59AM
robert powell
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Hello Mr. Clark,
Mr. Clark, even though your post was addressed to Mr. Cook I noticed that your response to the concern of the Black kids is that they are ignorant and knuckleheads, am I right.
You said this, “My post makes clear from my experience that Scouting is not a “white thing,” ---------”Scout troop that was organized by the church were ever confronted with such ignorant, knuckleheaded nonsense.”
Mr. Clark, I do not think that these Black kids are ignorant and knuckleheads. By far, what they are saying is not nonsense either. I believe that how these children are seeing things today is like the canary in the coal tunnel. They are telling the elders how ignorant and a knucklehead they have been for hundreds of years.
Anyway, how would you best handle this situation? Would you tell these children that they are ignorant while these children are trying to tell you that they want something of their own and you elders cannot provide it?
Please Mr. Clark, do not miss my point. Try to understand what I am saying.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 10:00AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert,
You all have your eyes shut tight that you cannot see the forest for the sake of the trees. Scouting or having fun outdoors is good for children. I myself personally like the outdoors. However, that is not the point. The point is that these children and remember that they are just children are saying that scouting is a, “White” thing. I find it very interesting that these Black children would say scouting is a White thing. Therefore, I am asking what is it that these Black children are communicating about themselves to you adults.
For example, if there were two dolls to pick from, one Black and the other White and the girl child refuses the White doll, what is it that she is telling you? I do not think she is telling you that there is something wrong with dolls per se. I think that she is telling you something more significant. I think that she is telling you that she wants something of her own, am I right.
Likewise, I do not think that these Black kids are saying that there is something wrong about scouting per se. I believe the kids are saying something more significant that you adults do not see, am I right.
How it is that I see and understand what these children are saying and you all do not? I believe the time is upon us that it is imperative we begin to think about and desire to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
I would suppose that when Moses came into the picture the Hebrew children were the same way. The Hebrew children were pressing the Elders that they wanted out of Egypt and something of their own. God answered the children’s requests.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 11:30AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Mr. Clark,
Please let me bring you back into focus since you said this, “The times I have heard this, those who made this claim of “acting white” left it at that without making any indication, directly or implied, that they “wanted something of their own.”
Clark your comment is too sophisticated for these children. Your response is more in-line with how an ignorant adult would think. These are just children we are talking about and therefore their thinking is honest and coming from their hearts.
Again, these children are placing a hefty burden and responsibility on us who are adults to find a way to give them something that personally belongs to them. They want a life of their own and that means that they want to be sovereign. The Hebrew children in the days of Moses did and wanted the same of their parents.
Again, I do not think that these children are saying that something is inherently wrong with scouting. When they say that scouting is a White thing they are pounding their fist on the table in a manner of expressing that they want something of their own. They are saying that they want to be sovereign or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that they could call their very own country with borders.
However, the ignorance of us adults who are stiff neck and White dye, mentally speaking in the White way of things does not see what you own children are telling you. It is the same scenario as when the 13 year old Black slave girl is returned to her mother and father in the morning after being screwed all night by the old slave master, the mother would console her daughter since there was nothing else the mother could do. However, today God has intervened.
Now, back to the issue. Our children are not saying that White for White is wrong. They are saying that they want to have their own, am I right.
Incidentally, you have not answered my question. How would you best handle the thinking of these Black children now that I have told you what they really want? Would console them as the slave mother consoled her daughter that the next time around the daughter would become more accustom to this style of life?
Tell me what you think.
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 12:02PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Clark,
I do not want to make an argument with you of this issue. You said that I was wrong that these kids once something of their own since they felt that scouting was a, “White” thing. In other words, a White thing belongs to Whites and obviously, a Black belongs to Blacks. The steam rising from the boiling water is not about scouting it is about what is mine as opposed to what is theirs. The problem is you do not see that and I can only go as far as your limit of wisdom and understanding.
You said this, “Harry, you have "told" me what they really want,” and this is because I have been clear with you.
However the closest you came to telling me what they want is this, “The idea that “their own” was simply to do the opposite of whatever it was perceived to be white, is not something that is a fleshed out concept, and beyond simplistic, kind of like defaulting to “I will do the opposite of whatever you do” and substituting that for a real, fleshed out concept of who they are.”. You are not as clear as I have been. What you have explained here could not be in these children’s minds because it is too sophisticated.
Firstly, these children are not sophisticated enough to hoodwink you. These kids are speaking honestly and from their hearts. When they tell you that something is a White thing they are asking you for a Black thing. They are looking for identity.
If they were sovereign children, their minds would never conceive a Black or a White thing.
Anyway, do you think that you could convey to those children your explanation to me and they buy it? Because really, you would not be telling them anything except trying to hoodwink them as well.
Do you think those children do not know and feel that they are inferior to Whites? Do you not think that these children inner-senses know that the real estate of this country belongs to White American people and they have nothing of their own?
So the bottom line is that you do not think that these kids wants to have something of their own rather than in existing in the atmosphere of Whites?
Tell me what you think.
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 3:01PM
Harry Watley
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I like country music..
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 9:21PM
Jen Fad
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Hello Jen,
I understand that you like country music and there is nothing wrong with that. However, did you comprehend the point that I was making about my daughter and her friends?
Practically all the Blacks that were graduating felt that country music a “White” thing and a Texas thing at that.
My point is that when are you older adults going to understand that our young children are smarter than we are and they want something of their own.
The Hebrew children were coming off the same way 4000 years ago to their Elders.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, December 21st 2009 at 11:05PM
Harry Watley
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George, your question was so 'opened ended' until the first thing that came to my mind was, "Oh, oh, P.H. you now have some competition coming from George! LOL
NOw to answer your question...Yes "I" do have some conclusions that some African-Americans are :violent, usless, worhtless, lazy, not productive...
but, "I" did say SOME and "I" am sure this disqualifies my Yes answer? SMILE ?!?
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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