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The Scam That is Our Health Care System (184 hits)

Today I came across this article in the LA Times:

"Insurers See Banking Future"

"Many have found that managing customers' money is more profitable than underwriting medical coverage."

"WellPoint Inc., the nation's largest health insurance company, ran into a snag last year while pursuing an important new business initiative. Federal banking regulators insisted on classifying WellPoint as a healthcare company. And that was interfering with its efforts to open a bank."

"The Federal Reserve Board eventually agreed that the company's core insurance business could be considered financial services. But what about its mail-order pharmacy and its program for managing chronic diseases, which was overseen by WellPoint doctors and nurses? Wasn't that healthcare?"

"WellPoint finally convinced the Fed that those activities were merely "complementary" to its main business -- financial services. It pledged to limit them to less than 5% of total revenue.
That a medical insurer would agree to keep a lid on healthcare expenditures so it could get approval to open a bank illustrates a fundamental change in the industry: Insurers are moving away from their traditional role of pooling health risks and are reinventing themselves as money managers -- providers of financial vehicles through which consumers pay for their own healthcare."

"This is a turning point," said Jacob Hacker, a professor of political science at UC Berkeley who has written extensively on healthcare reform. "It's a fundamental shift away from the idea of broadly shared risk. It's going to lead to a complete transformation of the health insurer, which will be increasingly focused on providing management of money."

"The company also stands to collect fees for maintaining the accounts, handling some disbursements and investing the balances -- and for overdrafts, electronic transfers, even printed checks and monthly statements."

Read the rest of the article here:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/22/bu...

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So in essence, the insurance companies will "manage" health savings accounts the same as banks manage checking accounts, and nickle and dime these accounts to death with fees and practices that put them in the best possible to take more of the money in fees and profits, rather than spend them on health care. And if fees take money that you can't now put towards uncovered costs, oh well.

But the following was what brought me up short. This is a correction to the Times made to a previous article on health care:

"Insurance firms' revenue: A chart accompanying an article in Wednesday's Section A on health insurance companies opening banks incorrectly gave figures on revenue from premiums for the four largest firms in millions of dollars rather than billions of dollars. The correct totals: WellPoint, $55.9 billion; UnitedHealth, $68.8 billion; Cigna, $8.7 billion; and Aetna, $23.5 billion."

Now, consider what this means: the total profits for the big insurers mentioned in this correction was $156.9 billion. This is for one year. This is money that is being extracted for health care, that does not go to health care. This goes into the pockets of the insurance company shareholoders, directors and managers. The cost for the latest health care bill, which opponents are crying about because its about $100 billion more than the last bill scored before the dems lost the 60th vote in the senate, is a little less than $1 trillion dolars, but over 10 years. (The media never makes this clear; they only refer to the 10 year amount rather than the annual amount.) This amounts to about $100 billion per year. So the cost of the health care bill, e.g. what the government is going to spend per year to subsidize almost everyone to have health insurance, is about $56 billion dollars less per year than what the health insurance companies curently rake off the top in profits.

This says a lot, but what it really says is that the current for profit system using insurance, is not only broken but is not the best model for health care delivery. Its damn near akin to my using a car rather than a boat to try and sail across the ocean. It just does not work. And the costs of trying to do this, we will never be able to maintain over time, as the costs will continue to rise.
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Now I know you two brothers ain't gone like me saying this but the bill (or proposal) going through the Senate right now is crazy. No...let me take that back and call it what is: Bull****!

There are almost no pros, nothing but cons and I do mean "cons". Not only are they giving the same private insurance institutions that have been screwing so many Americans out of their money and health for decades more power over the American people but they are now trying to force all Americans to buy into the scam.

I read somewhere there was a fine and possibly a penalty of 5 years in prison for those who don't sign up with the program. The Democrats should have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever gave up on the Public Option.

The only halfway appealing part of this proposal is that people have the option of "buying" into Medicare as early as 55. But notice you have to BUY into it.....it's still not free or universal. And what about those of us under 55?

We need leaders in Congress who are gonna stand up and pass a Universal healthcare plan in the United States once and for all like every other Western nation. Times is hard, and it's sad how there are people trying to squeeze money out of your asses that they don't deserve.



Sunday, February 28th 2010 at 5:14PM
Siebra Muhammad
GOOD QUESTION!!!
Sunday, February 28th 2010 at 5:52PM
Siebra Muhammad
"N-O" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What we need is for brother Clark to sTay right here so we can ask questions like this of him...Clark..

It is bad enough to have that , that "YO" monkey IS on my back, and now thanks to you "I" now have the "Brainwashing " monkey of my back so much so my having had to come back to my computer with you with this one I got watching CNN about "if" what I am about to come to you wiith to find out if this was tCNN's trying to brainwash their viewers in favor of the insurance co or tryin to better educated its viewers by way of this segment with their "resident" doctor medial exert contributor.from an actual walking showing instruments often used in an opreation while giviing out these huge expences paid out to use them. Talking about : the bed costing $2000 and the I.V. j,ust the, bag cost hunderds of $$$ and how they have to pay the hospital for uninsured patients,ect...as I watched this as he said how the insurance sometimes payout more than the bill calls for and why this is,ect.

And , guess what?????? THAT DAMNED BRAINWASHING MONKEY JUMPED RIGHT ON MY BACK AND I BEGAN TO WONDER...

WILL OUR GOVERNMENT EVER, EVER HAVE A FEDERAL HEARING ABOUT THE KICK BACK THE INSURANCE CO. IT MAY BE GETTING BACK FROM THESE REGULAR ARREST (at least here in Ca. on a regular basis) OF DOCTORS FOR BILLING MEDICAL AND MEDICARE FOR THINGS THEY NEVER DID FOR , ON , OR TO THE PATIENTS WHO DON'T GET A WRITTEN BILL NOR AN ESTIMATION OF THAT ASPRIN COSTING $200 YEARSA GO SO NO TELLING HOW MUCH IT COST TODAY!!!!!!!!!??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE LATEST SCALDAL ON BILLING FOR NON SERVICE IS ABOUT PSYCHRIST BILLING FOR VISITS WITH PRISONERS IN PRISON WHEN IN REALITY THAT HAD NOT EVEN BEEN THERE FOE EVEN O-N-E OF THE VISITS THEY HAD BEEN PAID FOR FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MEDIA WILL NOT TELL YOU THIS BUT EDMOND BROWN IS OUR STATE'S ATTORNEY AND HE IS THE ONE WHO STARTED PUTTING OUT THERE ABOUT THAT 39% INSURANCE HIKE IN CA. WHAT THEY RAILED TO DISCLOSE IS HOW HE IS A FORMER DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE AND HE IS GOING TO GO BACK TO TAHT GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND NOT BACK TO BEING THE MAYOR OF OAKLAND.(SMILE)

AND, YES THE WHOLE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN KNOWING THIS ALL THE TIME...THIS HE MAY HAVE WANTED TO SAVE UNTIL CAMPAING TIME BUT AT THE RATE IT IS GOING HERE OUR GOVERNOR MAY GO OUT THE WAY THE GOVERNOR HE REPLACED...WE WILL BE HAVING A VOTING IN JUNE HERE. (SMILE) THUS THIS BRAINWASING MONEKY HAS ME COMING TO YOU FOR SOME KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT THISLITTLE MATTER.(SMILE)

you have already told us taht when we coplain we should dend in the BILL'S NUMBER ALONG WITH THE COMPLAINT...HOW IN THE H________WOULD ONE EVEN KNNOW WHER TO SSEND SOMETING LIKE THIS AS I DOUBT IF THERE IS EVEN A BILL #.(SMILE)

OH, A ND CLARK OUR PRESIDENT HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON HOW HE SHOULD THELL THEM WHANTS DONE, PERIOD AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T...I AM SURE THAT WE GOT THIS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TRAINED ATTORNEYS NOT LISTENING BECAUSE WE ARE TOO BUSY TRYING TO FIGHRE OUT A WAY TO LEGALLY BY THE CONSTITUTION HOW TO GET BY THE TRAINED CONSTUTION ATTORNEY USING YOU BUSINESS LAW DEGREES AGAINST THIS PRESIDENTS BRILLANT MIND... BUT ,THEN ALL BLACKS ARE STUPID AREN'T THEY looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
SIEBRA, please try to take these tow tings in if nothing else wheather this bill pass or not...

1.If you vote legally of if you are born in this country you are an Amrican citizen, no matter what you put down as __________ - American.
A. you are the American government.
B. if you draw a pay check, from the first pay check to the verylast pay check, you pay the expenses of SOCIAL SECURITY THEREFORE YOU ARE PAYING FOR MEDICARE THIS BILL IS TO TRY AND MAKE SUER YOU GET AND NOT THE INSURANCE COMPANYS (AND HE DRUG COMPANYS) (SMILE)

2. THIS IS WHY EVERY ON PAYS INCOMETAXS EVEN THOSE WHO NEVER LIVE TO USE IT THE MONEY IS STILL THERE AND IF DEAD PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY THEN WHY SHOULD THE INSURANCE BE MADE TO PAY THE LIVINGS THE MONEY THEY PAID TO THAT INSURANCE COMPANY TO GET AND OT HAVE IT GO TO BONUS, THE 3RD AND 4TH MANSION CAR, YHATHS HIGH ROLLER POKER GAMES, MISTRESS APT. ETC. oR JUST DO SOMETING AS SIMPLE AS NOT GETTING AWAY WITH BREAKING THE L-A-W? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Hey Clark, as this goes directly to wards this blog's theme and how I am just going to give up on those right-wingers acting like they are more brainwashed thaN we could ever be(THIS STUDK ON STUPID) if we WERE given 400 more years as being in America in THESE PEOPLE going out of their way to force this bill to pass.example...

Last week on the floor of congress one of them had to go to a basketball game so thousands of needy citizens had to suffer...and, today on the floor yet another right-winger used the floor of congress to say how this holding up of unemployment chech was a good thing because those checks are ,maybe, keeping them from looking for work...

NOW, CLARK ARE THESE PEOPLE IN THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY THAT KEEPS SAYING HOW BAD THE JOBS MARKET IS IN THIS COUNTRY AND HOW IT IS ALL OUR PRESIDENT'S FAULT...AGAIN NOT ONE rEPUBLICAN IS UNEMPOLYED.loooooooooooooooool(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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