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Sigmund Freud believed that man's personality consisted of three structures, which he called the id, the ego, and the superego. I thought that I'd put a question out there to see if anyone has a viewpoint, since I've read a few blogs that contained terms used in psychology. I just took a course in The Science Of Psychology and I was wondering if anyone felt that Freuds theories about the Id, ego, and superego were symbolism of the three in one trinity?
Posted By: Helen Lofton
Saturday, May 1st 2010 at 4:20PM
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Helen... I believe Freudan Therory of the Unconscious/Conscious/Preconscious mind... Unconsiously people may walk in their sleep... Talk in their sleep... Text book analysis within psychology.... Conscious people do things of habit... Compulsive disorders... hand washing, cleaning, phobias....
The Trinity is more within Theology.... Philosophy .... more generally, the study of religious faith, practice, and experience, or of spirituality.... So I don't think I would say there are comparisons or symbolic reasonging between the two.
It's like Psychology is the thoughts or actions of man....
Theology is the practice, faith, spiritual beliefs in man....
Does this make sense? I'm also taking classes... I find this subject interesting...
Saturday, May 1st 2010 at 6:01PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Helen:
Fascinating question!!! It makes me really think about it.
Freud was a giant in the history of the development of the field of psychology because he was a pioneer. Nobody before him suggested that something like a subconscious mind existed.
However, as you can imagine, some of his theories have been supplanted by actual emprical research. His writings are now viewed almost as a primitive beginning of the science of psychology.
But, I do believe the three elements he names have validity in truth. We see them operating in our own lives. ID--uncontrolled primal desire. EGO--our image of oursevles. SUPEREGO--restraining and controlling rampant desire by morality and conscience.
But, I do not think it represents the whole picture of our psychological life.
And I think Cynthia had it right--Theology and PHilosophy are very diferent disciplines than Psychology. So I don't think they translate at all.
But...it is interesting to think about it!!!
Good luck with your studies!!!
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 11:45AM
Richard Kigel
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I got the impression that psychology is somehow connected to the belief system because Cartoonist and movie producers sometimes depict personal conflict showing an individual with an angel speaking into one ear and a devil speaking into the other ear. The angel represents Freud's idea of the _____ and the devil represents Freud's idea of the _____.
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 1:36PM
Helen Lofton
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Very interesting!!!!
And I think it is more real than a cartoon. I have those same devils and angels whispering in MY ears!!!
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 2:55PM
Richard Kigel
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Sounds very interesting, I think the mind deals with these two elements of psychology all the time. Going with the angel is usually a good one to follow. This is very insightful and educationing. I learn as I go. Never too old to learn.
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 3:26PM
MIISRAEL Bride
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Helen... VERY... VERY... Interesting...... I have to use Rich's quote on this...
"SUPEREGO--restraining and controlling rampant desire by morality and conscience"
The little voice in your head.... The Super-ego can be thought of as a type of conscience that punishes misbehavior with feelings of guilt. For example: having extra-marital affairs
That's the beauty of Psychology... One trying to understand the ways one might think...
Again.... Very Interesting!!
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 3:26PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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What a fascianting conversation!! We need to be sitting at a table together sipping some wine....and talking all night long!!!
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 4:17PM
Richard Kigel
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LOL.... Rich I do agree........... and yes Miisrael... each day is a learning day... Helen you really picked a good Topic for Discussion....
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 6:41PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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When I first started college I had to take Psychology.... and Humanities... I hated those two subjects... Psychology is the study of human and animal behaviors... Humanities is the study of human condition....
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 7:39PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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And keep in mind there are so many schools of thought and many facets and areas within both Psychology and Sociology. Some of it is theoritetical and some of it is practical.
I think it depends on the professor--they can be fascinating...if the professor knows what he or she is talking about.
A bad teacher can ruin even the most fascinating subject!
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 9:20PM
Richard Kigel
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Wow!!!!
Dr. Artis...that was BRILLIANT!!!!!
You have a natural affinity for academic study.
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 10:32PM
Richard Kigel
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Thank you Rich..... and that Dr. Artis sure sounds good to me.... I really enjoy topics like this... Helen really picked a good topic...
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 11:16PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Rich; What really interests me... is how a psychologists creates a profile on a person, from broad based type question.... ie. what's your favorite color.. what time of day, you feel at your best..... It's amazing
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 11:23PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Helen... I sure hope I'm not confusing you and that all of this information makes sense...
Sunday, May 2nd 2010 at 11:27PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Hey Dr. Artis:
It's not junk science--they use well researcehed trends, statistics and probability.
BUT...all they can do is spot tendencies. I don't think they can make definitive predictions. You have to go to the old Gypsy Ladies for that.
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 7:46AM
Richard Kigel
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LOL!! Gypsys....
Dr. Artis.... Rich I'm getting there.... so far 3-A's waiting for two more Instructors to submitt.....
I'll be taking Anatomy and Bio II this summer!!
YYYYEEESS!!! Dr. Artis fits me just right (smile)
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 10:32AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Hey Dr. Artis:
Well, congratulations!!!! Job well done! I am sure you worked very hard to earn all those A's. They don't fall out of trees, you know!!!
What is your eventual goal for yourself in all these academics??
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 11:16AM
Richard Kigel
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Rich it was hard work.... I'm still in the Pre-Med Program... I'm thinking about applying this summer semester instead of waiting for the fall semester for admissions in the School of Nursing... My goal... graduate spring 2011... work get my masters... 2013... Do One Year of Community Service... (like: Africa, Haiti, Jamacia)..... My special gift from GOD is Helping People!!!
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 11:37AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Cynthia...you are a GEM!!!
I mean...Dr. ARtis!!!
I see a world of determination in you.
Ii would love for you to check out the story I posted yesterday about a young woman with a congenital spinal disease who is currently teaching in the Bronx. She shows a level of determination i have never seen. It is called BROKIEN NOT BENT and it comes with a link to a video.
It is one of the most amazing, inspiring stories I have evern heard!!
Love to know what you think!!!
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 12:30PM
Richard Kigel
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ok.... I sure will.... and thanks for the compliment.... I'm Humbled ...
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 1:06PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Hey--you EARNED IT!!!
You did all the work!!!
You are entitled to the fruits of your labor!!!!!
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 2:29PM
Richard Kigel
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The textbook used for Psychology-200 course was written by Laura A. King. I really enjoyed how she tried to cover a wide variety of theories. I myself, think that I might take my next course in the study of Paranormal Psychology. The paranormal should have some answers as to why strange things happen when you don't stay focused.
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 8:02PM
Helen Lofton
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Irma... I know.... Scientist cannot figure out the brain.... It's a miraculous organ.... If injured it can actually repair itself (depending on the injury)
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 8:34PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Paranormal Activity..... Ummm Helen I will not be able to help you there.... Im not too keen on the paranormal psychology.... TOO SPOOKY....good luck on that one!!:-0
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 8:36PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Irma.... it's spooky.... NO Irma.... I don't do scarey spooky thoughts....
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 9:14PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Yes we all need to be enlightened.... BUT NOT SPOOKED!! okay....
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 9:15PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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No spooky stuff ok :-0...... 8-0..... 8-(.... okkkkk
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 9:17PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Hey guys (gals!!!) ...and DOCTORS!!!
Paranormal means "beyond the norm".
By definition, it's not normal. It does not lend itself to empirical evidence or scientific study.
And yet...who can say totally that it does not exist?
Yes, Helen...fill us in.
Monday, May 3rd 2010 at 9:19PM
Richard Kigel
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Thanks, Irma. Very astute!!!
There will always be things that science can't explain.
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 8:51AM
Richard Kigel
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Irma... Yes we fear it (the unknow)..... And I'm ok with it :~).... I don't like the supernatural... never will...
Somethings are better left alone....
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 9:03AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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And Rich.... when science can't explain it....
I believed that certain "works" are works from the Devil..... OK just call me plain ole
scared....
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 9:05AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Irma...
With our children it is something (psychologically) that gives parents (especially mother's) an intuition. Since conception, the unborn child is feed, protected, by the mother....
Twins.. some how carry the same/similar feelings.. still a psychological process....
Paranormal.... Part Abnormal... Something science cannot explain...
9 When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. .
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 9:16AM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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I think that we are all guilty of picking and choosing which verses from the bible that we want to incorporate in our lives. I, myself search for the verses that speech of protection from evil. Like "when mine enemies come against me, let them stumble and fall into the traps they set, they themselves get caught".
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 4:23PM
Helen Lofton
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Yea... Yea.. Yea... I'm finding one to detour you from wanting to talk about spooky stuff (Smile).... But I'm for real about the spooky stuff
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 4:42PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Sigmund Freud a wonderful jewish fellow born in The AustroHungarian Empire,his mothers pregnancy developed with Him in a Caul.
In those times paganChristians believed that the Caul birth was a sign that the child might be born a vampire. Also born in Austria was Adolph Hitler who took the pupils of Sigmund Freud and burned them like vampires.
Many scientists consider his work unScientifically tested and I am one to despise vampires and snake oil doctors.
Tuesday, May 4th 2010 at 9:24PM
robert powell
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Irma you asked: Cynthia, now I will ask you two things...
1. What is witchcraft? .....................WORKS OF EVIL... IT'S MORE associated with PSYCH
2. Have you ever been to a Christian funeral? Yes... and personally I don't like them..
I grew up listening to those old stories about witches, the devil, roots, voodoo, unsettled spirits, exorcisim.. demonic possession.. As I got older and recognized the good and the evil... I just separated myself from all of those beliefs that some of my family members ... practice, believe, witnessed....
Like Psychology... the brain is so incredible... It's massive, yet delicate and fragile. Neuro Psychology, teaches one that the brain is a dynamic organ... It's away from the rest of the internal organs, alone, but it's the most essential part of the human existance. And Doctor's are baffled with the design and functions of the brain....
Theology teaches ... The mind of a man is only known to GOD... Therefore as a believer in Faith Healing and Gifted Hands... I don't get into the "unknown" I just know in my hearts of heart.... GOD IS A MASTER DESIGNER.... smile
Wednesday, May 5th 2010 at 1:39PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Cynthia:
I think you really put your finger on it. You acknowledge the incredible reach and possibility of the human brain and how doctors are baffled.
So there is a great mystery about how the human mind works. And you are calling this mystery DIVINE.
And you are so right.
Theologians and mystics from various religious traditions, Chrsitian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish--so many have come to the same conclusion: GOD IS UNKNOWABLE BY HUMAN FACULTIES. HE IS A GLORIOUS MYSTERY.
That is why the best way to praise him is to keep silent in awe and adoration of His Supreme Power!!!
Wednesday, May 5th 2010 at 2:47PM
Richard Kigel
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Rich... I call the mind BEAUTIFUL... My Native family(My Dad's Cherokee) talks of "Spirit GODS".... And the Spirit world... I just listen... I don't say anything... That's a part of my culture, I have to learn.... Right now I'm not trying to learn all of this... I know I have a DIVINE HIGHER POWER... WHOSE EVERYTHING!
I have an uncle who is Jehovah Witness.... Pentecostal Aunt... Catholic Uncle... my closet fired is Yaweahan... similar to Jewish... Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal... Im familiar with religion... Not much knowledge of Buddhism... But Im learning...
That's why meditation is so important in my life... quiet/still...
Wednesday, May 5th 2010 at 3:01PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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GOD IS UNKNOWABLE ..... do you remember the story of the Babylon Tower?
Wednesday, May 5th 2010 at 3:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Thanks Irma... I Buddhism...Every since I saw the movie about Tina Turner... And the Buddah Images... I never had anyone to share information with me... YES I have an inquisitive mind.. And I have respect for other religions... I told Rich that... I try not to put a label on myself... I'm spiritual and I attend different churches for spiritual peace, love and wisdom.... True .. facing fears..... I guess I better continue walking by faith and not by sight.....
Wednesday, May 5th 2010 at 6:12PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Chynthia, I asked you those two questions, because you do have a seeking mind..what you just said in your comment to Rich seem to me to be more of the true and actual Cynthia's open mind...than when you were using QUOTES about withcraft and not dealing with the dead...(smile)
You can try as I do and it always work for me...
Try to replace "the unknown (fears) with "seek and ye shall find" (smile)
AN HOUR / MINUTUE FROM NOW IS ALSO UNKNOWN, BUT IT DOES NOT STOP ME FROM PLANNING TO FIX DINER FOR A WEEK AHEAD WHEN I GO TO THE MARKET OR BUYING CHRISTMAS CARDS FOR 2011 AS SOON AS THEY WENT ON SALE AFTER CHRISTMAS 2010...LOL..ITS TOO MUCH FUN...plus, I live for that word "sale". lol
I love scary movies, but a lot of the time I so regret I had watched them later. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Cynthia, the one thing that all of the Buddhist religions have in common that Christianity does not have is YOU THE INDIVIDUAL HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY /UNHAPPY...WE ARE ALL UNITED WITH EACH OTHER, NATURE AND THE UNIVERSE AT LARGE AND NEVER STOP TRYING TO LEARN BECAUSE NO ONE HAS ALL OF THE ANSWERS/ have asked all of the questions...
BUT, MOST OF ALL CYNTHIA, WE HAVE A SEEKING MIND, WE HAVE THE POWERS To BE HAPPY/ UNHAPPY WITHIN OUR OWNSELVES... TO DO RIGHT / WRONG...( IN BUDDHISM THIS IS CALLED B-A-L-A-N-C-E) THIS MY FRIEND IS BUDDHISM IN A NUT SHELL..SO SIMPLE IT IS REJECTED, by so many. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Sorry Cynthia..T.T. has no "Buddah images" in her practice...this would require her to just have another Ike to determine her self worth in her life for her, NOT her, and she would not be an "equal". lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Cynthia...the definition of BUDDHA is ENLIGHTENED ONE. (smile) Anyone who will not allow anyone, any thing, any place to stand between them and happiness and bringing peace, believe it or not is a Buddha...Cynthia which have you been told more of
1. You have power, control over Cynthia
2. Cynthia has not power and she must always be dependant on someone, someting, some place? ISN'T ( N. D. ) BUDDHISM SOMETHING TO FEAR?!? T. T. doesn't. LOL (SMILE)
# Helen, as this is about the human's ablility to think and Psychology is about the individual mine...I hope this is not off topic. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Cynthia, Tina Turner and I have the same practice...Tina once she learned that she had her own power she was free although she only had 46 cents of her own...She chose to be happy on her own terms and so far has not met another OB LTICLE SHE ALLOWED TO STAND BETWEEN HER AND HER GOALS to survive and be happy doing it. (smile)
T. T. and I are from the generation when a woman who had the nerve to respect and to love her ownself was to be selfish...and, things like doing anything like believe we had power would gurantee we went straight to H-E-L-L...some people still do. (smile)
BUT, THEY ARE ALSO THE ONES WHO F-E-A-R ...and, Cynthia you fear no one / thing when it comes to your wanting to be ENLIGHTENED.lol...you go girl. Your two sons are truley blessed.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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There is a saying that goes...THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE LAUGH AT IT FEAR IT(and, there is more to it, but I can not remember it. lol (smile)
Cynthis, maybe you should watch some of these people who helo out our police to solve cold cases using the powers of their minds...no not the forturne tellers of tose movies and getting a scam going, ect...but, even they came from out of some kinds of knowledge, I am willing to bet. (smile)
Oh, and if we have children, we can read their minds by their pattern of behaviors as Rich says because a lot of our parents did the same things with us....we can often sense when someone (our own selvesare ) close to us are in danger...and, who can explain identical twins, ect. (smile)
"DIFFERENT" should be a beautiful thing...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I am sure that many of us have had that feeling that you have done this before or seen that or been there before...
that enenthough you know you are the only one there you still know someone else is there with you... a friend and I were taking about this a few days ago. Things that we experience and have no way to be able to explain it or find anyone to do this for us...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Helen, I would love for you to keep us posted on the Paranormal..."I" have always believed that we are all born with this ability, and, much like our eyesight is not as good now as it was say before mankind was able to continue light after the sun went down...I believe that some of us still have this stronger than others to retain and put this natural ability to work still... and some of us only have it as children to a certain degree, ect....
We never should give up or allow our bias to cause us to limit any kinds of knowledge as a civil and moral and legal right in this need to know / to be enlightened. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Helen, by now I hope you know me as only going to stick with logic as emotions changes with each subject / situation, ect, As the idea, belief of 'enemy' works both ways would not this same be used against you, and you are happy with this because this is GOD's words that that person who see you as their enemy should do the same thing?!?
Now Helen, I will ask you a question...What religion do you practice and is your religion the only correct, right or is those who practice the Muslim faith or no religion at all correct and right?
My answer to this is that we are all GOD"S children and G-O-D could not make a mistake therefore we are all equal, as individuals. (smile)
"I" don't believe that God sent his only son to die on the cross for anyone to do harm or even think about doing anything against any of his children...Yes, I am not a Christian as the label goes, but I will only treat another person as I want to be treated, period..."I" have no kind of excuse to do otherwise and still be the best person "I" can be. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Cynthia, how soon we forget, I am a N.D. Buddhist..."I" am the one who is responsible for me...EVERY PLACE i AM IS A BUDDHA LAND...and, if I were a Christian, this would be said as EVERY PLACE I AM IS A HAPPY PLACE. "I" make sure it is. (smile)
Cynthia, now I will ask you two things...
1. What is witchcraft?
2. Have you ever been to a Christian funeral?
"I" ask these two questions because 1. because women were better medical doctors than men were they were called witches.F-A-C-T...2. I have been to many Christian funerals...get my point?
but, I also see religion and the parnormal as two different things...plus the only two things that have ever had me fear, the unknown or anything was the devil and hell...now I fear neither...but, also I now do my own thinkings without fear or permission or worry about any kinds of social blacklash. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Also, Dr. Artis, you can check out if your state has a program like we have here in CA....if you sign a contract to go work in a distressed area they will help pay all, part of your field of education's tution and, pay your doing research on what you plan to do, ect...it is worth checking out, right???(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Dr. Artis, you kick butt for me in any thing with math formalurs in it...this will make up for my being brain dead when it comes to anything with numbers in them.lol... (everyone needs a nick name. smile)...we all need ENLIGHTENMENT also...
# there is one thing that science so readly and correctly states as a fact...they have no idea how the human brain works. (smile)
# as for any kinds of : data, statistics...man can L-I-E.............
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Helen, as Freud deals in one's mother, (abnormal ?) s*x and what happened in our childhood...personally I can not find the cross over to THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST...F-A-C-T...WE ARE NOT ALL cHRISTIANS, BUT pSYCHILOGY IS A science so who knows...
SO i WILL JUST STICK WITH THE "mask", PART. lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Actually I entered UCD as a Psychology major and a philosophy minor...I said this to say that in community college I had, had Freud, it seemed like for ever and ever and could not take one more class with his nameas the main study...
I guess I had just grown too sick of Freud...I guess I had become like those who had studied under him therefore / maybe his study was just too lacking to be interesting any longer...
PSYCHOLOGY, means INDIVIDUAL PERSONALITY or MASK...
I prefer the way Jung does the id, ego and super ego, but this is my ' individual personality' which does not fit into the Fruedian THEORY FIELD OF the science of Psychology. But, as Rich said Freud must take the full credit for this field of science.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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When I made my last comment about sticking with the MASK, I was refering to what Rich had mentioned about having both the angle and the devil on my shoulders, also. (smile)
Cynthia, I made the mistake of taking a psychology and a socialogy class at the same time..each professor called the other the nut...I learned that one is about learning as an individual and the other was learning from one's society(or by way of the many)...they are just the opposit and one calls the other wrong in claiming they are the correct way...I sure wish my professors had told me this at the time...
but, their EGO I guess got in the way. lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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