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As the story of ROOTs by Alex Haley conveyed, many of the African Slaves brought to America and the Caribbean were Muslims or believers in the occult; voodoo and animalism. Christianity was forced upon the American black slaves as a way of keeping them harmless, useless on top of blind, deaf and dumb. The white slavemasters beat then told the house slaves to take the Bible and go out to the fields and tell the field slaves that GOD sent you. Tell Them, said the white slavemaster, to turn the other cheek when the white boss bust them in the mouth; and pray for those that dispitefully abuse them; and to love their enemy. When in actuality, the white slavemaster sent them. Whites in essence FORCED Christianity onto the Black Slaves. Now, here we are about 500 years later and now the modern day house slave is trying to tell the field slave to follow the WHITE MAN'S RELIGION. My suggestion is to Give the white man back his religion, his culture and his names. This is the dawn of a new day. What sense does it make for intelligent and educated and experienced Black Americans of today to follow the white man's religion NOW THAT WE ARE FREE. www.trafford.com/06-2972 21st Century Vision for Black America
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 6:45AM
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JESUS WAS A BLACK MAN !
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 6:48AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Absolutely....but the Roman soldiers were WHITE......In other words the people that hunted Jesus down to kill Jesus were WHITE. What is the differance between the Roman Soldiers and the American White people......about 2000 years. But the SAME people. The order to crucify JESUS, an honorable man, came from the white Roman Soldiers.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 7:12AM
jamal Abraham
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The White slavemaster would beacon the house slave to his quarters. Yes, Boss....the house slave would say. He would be told to act like he read the Bible..when in reality the black slave could NOT READ the Bible. He would be told to tell the field slave that God sent him. Some of the house slaves refused to blaspheme God. They did not want to tell a lie about God. The White Slavemaster would literally beat them and beat them to death if necessary and some they did. Until, fearing for their life, the house slaves would soon learn they better LIE for the white slavemaster or DIE. This was the beginning of Christianity being forced onto Black Americans.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 7:27AM
jamal Abraham
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I JUST POST SOME INFO THAT I HOPE THAT WILL HELP GIVE MORE LIGHT TO THIS SUBJECT ! YOU ARE SPEAKING OF THE FREDRICK DOUGLAS ERA
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 7:47AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Jamal:
Whenver someone attempts to evaluate a religion they do not personally follow or practice, it leaves a huge opening for misunderstanding, mistaken ideas, misconstruing beliefs and scripture and invalid interpretation.
I would never attempt to evaluate Islam because muy knowledge and understanding is limited.
In the same way, non-Christians cannot possibly fathom faith in Christ.
If you go to a restaurant, stand outside and look through the window, can you make any kind of intelligent evaluation about how the food tastes? NO way.
Even if you read the menu--can you determine how good their dinner is? Sorry.
You have to actually go inside, spend some time, and actually TASTE their food and experience the level of service, take in the atmosphere. Only then can you claim to make any kind of statement about that restautant.
You and some of your friends start off with some blatant errors.
1. Jesus, the man was not African. He was born in Palestine. In his short life he never left the middle east. He died in Jerusalem, as everyone knows.
2. Christ, the Divine, the third part of the HOLY TRINITY, is present here and now--but not as a human person. He has no nationaliaty, no ethnic group affiliation, no size, shape or color. He has no physical body. He is pure SPIRIT. He is ETERNAL PRESENCE.
3. It may be historically true that Christianity was forced on slaves. But...the depth of their faith in Jesus was NOT forced on them. Many slaves saw in the biblical Jesus the same ETERNAL SPIRIT that most Christians feel. Christianity has been a source of strength and comfrot in the AFrican-American community for years. They have made it their own.
4. When they were no longer slaves, many freedmen made the personal decision to take new names of their own choosing. They could easily have adopted a different religion. But faith in Christ remained a powerful source of comfort throughout the years--as it still is.
There was no coercion after 1865. African-Americans may not have had economic freedom. They were certainly victimized by racial terrorism. But...they were free to follow whatever faith they chose. And for those who chose to follow Christ--it was their own personal decision.
Bottom line: Be careful when you comment on somebody's religious beliefs. Just about anything you say is bound to be WRONG!!!
And...as you so eloquently told me in a comment on one of my blogs in response to the controversy of the New YOrk City Islamci Center, we need to be working togethe--both Muslims and Christians--to promote mutual respect and understanding.
So how about it!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:16AM
Richard Kigel
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Hello to All,
I would like to ask a question. Why is it so important that a superior people impose on the lesser people their religion? What do the superior people accomplish?
Later on we will get into whether Jesus was Black as Black Americans are since you all say that Jesus was Black, okay. We will also give in to why we must return Christianity and Islam to their rightful owners, all right.
In the meantime, answer the question. Why is it so important that a superior people impose upon the lesser people their religion!
Tell me what you think.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:17AM
Harry Watley
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And by the way--I just posted two clips from the DAILY SHOW satirizing the Mosque controversy in New York City. I hope you check it out.
It should be good for a few laughs!!!
PEACE AND GOODWILL TO YOU ALL!!!
Submitted in BROTHERLY LOVE!!!
Rich
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:18AM
Richard Kigel
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Dear Saint Jake:
Sorry about that. In my opinion, you are entitled to speak with supreme authority about the Hebrew Israelite religion.
I am sure you will agree that religion is a highly intimate and individual choice. You have made your choice--and God bless you for it.
But because someone in your family was raised in a particular tradition does not mean that they have followed it or understand it. And it definitely does not give you a shred of credibility to speak intelligently about it.
You can say what you NOTICED about your parent's particular beliefs. But you can't say a word about faith in their religion from inside the soul.
When you say you "experienced" the Christian faith, I can say that you are deluding yourself because, clearly you have not experienced Christ in your heart, which is the bedrock of Christian faith.
You have experienced it from the OUTSIDE only. You are still OUTSIDE the door of the restaurant trying to comment about what is going on inside. It has no validity!
I respect your Hebrew Israelite beliefs--and I wish you well with it. I hope it brings peace and prosperity to you and those you love.
But it is not a good idea to speak about things you don't understand.
PEACE,
R
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:25AM
Richard Kigel
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Richard, Always nice to hear from you
No need for me to dwell to deep in the doctrine of Christianity. Primarily, speaking how the religion was forced on the American black Slaves which has nothing to do with the doctrine. Then, where is Christianity as a religion rooted......Europe...and what people are Europeans.....Caucasian. As far as Jesus being Black....he did speak of the color of his feet and hair which supports that he was black.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:46AM
jamal Abraham
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Jamall if we are truly free ...then we are also truly free to choose whom we wish to follow. If one's choice is devoted to Christainity they will not usually depart from it.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 12:32PM
MIISRAEL Bride
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Dear Saint Jake:
"Are you kidding me. I have not experienced CHRIST> That is an observation based on not knowing anything about me."
Well, Mr. Saint Jake, that is where you are mistaken. Your words reveal what is in your heart. And your heart contains the essence of who you are.
I don't have to know you personally to see what is in your heart because you have revealed it for all the world to see.
What your words reveal is a lack of charity. That is the first quality anyone who has experienced Christ reflecfts. Jesus is the substance of LOVE. So knowing Jesus is knowing LOVE.
You are certainly entitled to believe that you have QUOTE--experienced--UNQUOTE Jesus.
You can believe that the earth is flat if you want.
Your insult directed at me and the people who live near me has been duly noted.
That is what I mean when I say that you have revealed to the world what is in your heart.
I hope your religion teahces you how to live with others in peace--and if it does, I hope you learn it. Because the world needs mutual respect and tolerance more than insults and put-downs.
So, my dear SAINT JAKE, I wish you and those you love all the PEACE AND PROSPERITY you wish for!!!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 1:02PM
Richard Kigel
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Hello to All,
All of you are wrong, but especially Richard Kigel. Richard Kigel is ignorant and arrogant. Now let me back myself up.
Mr. Kigel said this, “If you go to a restaurant, stand outside and look through the window, can you make any kind of intelligent evaluation about how the food tastes? NO way.”
Firstly, this scenario does not equate to Black American slaves becoming Christians. Black Americans became Christians of force by the old slave master. We saw that in, “ROOTS” how the African slave Kunta Kenta was tied up to a tree and beaten until he accepted the English name Toby given to him by Mr. Reynolds the slave master!
Furthermore, looking into a restaurant is not the same is because you do not stand a chance of losing your mind as you do when you accept someone else’s religion.
In fact, you can evaluate how the food tastes if you will by the clientele. But, most importantly, you do not stand a chance of losing your mind went you accept someone else’s religion. For instance, you know that Bishop TD Jakes have lost his mind! In other words, once you enter through the doors of Christianity you have lost your mind if that religion does not belong to you. All religions are associated to a people by race. For example, Islam was given to the Arabian people. Judaism was given to the Hebrew people. Life was given to Black Americans. Every race will eventually have their own religion.
Now, Mr. Kigel is arrogant in his attitude to Jake. This arrogance is the attitude Whites has always held towards Black Americans. Mr. Kigel does not want any rebuttal because he is right and because we are descendents of slaves we do not have the abilities to reason as well as he does.
Consequentially, God is not wrong and neither am I when I said that God had inspired me with our only permanent solution and that is the desire that we become a sovereign people on all portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
No one on this blog can sanely say that Christianity is the religion of Black Americans choosing. We know what happened to our ancestors in the era of slavery. You cannot just take a scissors and cut the experiences of our ancestors passed down to us as if you are cutting a ribbon into two halves! Are you all stupid?
We all know that Mrs. Shields has lost her mind in the Christian religion. We know that Jamal has lost his mind in the Islamic religion. We know that Jake has lost his mind with this Black Hebrew Israelite stuff. We have all lost our minds because we are Black Americans mentally buried in other people’s religion. Am I making any sense?
Black Americans are the people that White Americans has made us into being!
What say you?
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 1:15PM
Harry Watley
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Harry
I think you have finally lost your mind,,, And I quote you (In fact, you can evaluate how the food tastes if you will by the clientele) Now please explain how one would evaluate how the food tastes based on someone else taste bud I don’t think you get the point Richard was making
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 1:57PM
Sylvainy R
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Hi Richard
1, I have to disagree with you Jesus was not born in Palestine, He was born in Ethiopia until Constantine under the Roman church change the location, Information on this can be found in the complete works of the Jewish Historian Josephus
2, He was Ethiopian
2 Also please note the story of Jesus is an exact, exact copy of the Egyptian Horus from birth to death Horus was I believe 2000 yrs before Jesus, Also the HOLY TRINITY, came about during the first council of Nicaea 326 under the Catholic Church
So Jesus had nationality, There was an ethnic group affiliation, he had a physical body ( Please refer to Josephus) also The Lost Books of The Bible
3, Historically that Christianity was forced on slaves and Jesus was forced on the them, One of the Slave ship name was The Jesus Christ Of Lobic, And the Hymn that was song during the voyage was You can take the Old World but Give me Jesus, That Hymn is still song today in the Church’s
4, I’ll agree to dis-agree, When you brake the will of a people with wipes Chain murder and instill fear in them all in the name of a Jesus Christ it becomes a hell of a task to choose let alone make a decision to take new names of their own choosing it would be hard if not impossible because of fear
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 3:06PM
Sylvainy R
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Hello Mr. Sylvainy,
I do not think that you understand what, if you will means. If you understand what, if you will means you will know that I am not wrong. “If you will,” means if you could understand in a practical sense. If you will is not literal, but metaphorical. The phrase is used for lack of a better word.
Sure, by the clientele you could taste the food if you will.
Anyhow, my point was that Mr. Kigel’s scenario of looking into a restaurant is entirely without foundation. In other words, it is entirely different from accepting someone else’s religion.
Do you understand Mr. Sylvainy?
Tell me what you think.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 3:25PM
Harry Watley
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Harry Watley : I agree with you
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 3:41PM
Sylvainy R
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Dear Sylvainy:
"I have to disagree with you Jesus was not born in Palestine, He was born in Ethiopia until Constantine under the Roman church change the location. Information on this can be found in the complete works of the Jewish Historian Josephus."
Thank you for offering the source for your contention.
I would very much appreciate it if you could help me locate the text you are reffering to. If it says what you suggest, then I will be happy to change my way of thinking.
Until then, I remain skeptical. But, I am curious to see exaclty what you are talking about.
thank you!!!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 3:50PM
Richard Kigel
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Hello Mr. Sylvainy,
I agree with you on number 3 and 4 of your post in reply to Mr. Kigel. Psychologically Mr. Kigel is speaking from the perspective of not being a slave and he does not realize it. Since he was not a slave he does not understand what slaves felt and what the descendents of slaves feels today.
Steve, talks the same way because he is White. Steve once said to me that because I was not in the cotton fields would difference should it make to me. I could not believe he said that until I was able to understand he is speaking from an ignorant as well as having no experience of being a slave or a descendent thereof.
But what bothers me is that these two White men is constantly intermingling with Blacks on matters that they have no rational sensitivity about, if you will trying to guide Blacks. They are two knuckleheads if you will.
Okay,
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 3:59PM
Harry Watley
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Dear Richard Kigel
I will however please if you will allow me some time as this is a very large book with fine print but thanks for beeing curious
Thank You
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:08PM
Sylvainy R
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Harry Watley I gree with you
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:11PM
Sylvainy R
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Dear Sylvainy:
Sometimes, theological disputes can be interesting and productive--as long as we respect each other's point of view and don't descend into name calling--which is not intelligent or fruitful, or interesting or even courteous.
But, I think you and I can have a mature discussion about serious theological issues.
When you say:
"The HOLY TRINITY, came about during the first council of Nicaea 326 under the Catholic Church'" it makes as much saying as "COLUMBUS DISCOVERED THE AMERICAN CONTINENT IN 1492."
It may be a historical fact that he stumbled on the new continent. And it can be said that he "disdcovered ". But he found something that was already there.
The Faithful Christians who came to the Council at Nicaea in 326 made a valiant attempt to commit to writing their own spiritual insight and experience. They discovered what was already there. They most certainly did not make it all up and write a fictional essay in 326.
Christian theologians have been reflecting and meditating on the Trinity for sixteen hundred years, each time discovering new insights and layers of meaning.
If it was a made up fantasy, none of it would hold true and it would have faded away with so many other marginal ideas.
2: "Historically that Christianity was forced on slaves and Jesus was forced on the them."
Absolutely. This is not debatable. However, how would you account for the vibrancy and durability of Christian faith SINCE emancipation?
Since faith is so personal, clearly each individual found something worthwhile in the Christian teaching, otherwise it would have dropped off and disappeared into obscurity in the black community.
Over the years, the Chrsitian church has been a plllar of strength! Nobody is forcing or intimidating any Christian believers. Christian faith is strong in the black community because of the transformative spitual power of its teaching.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:12PM
Richard Kigel
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Harry
"Steve once said to me that because I was not in the cotton fields would difference should it make to me."
I don't remember ever saying this. Unless it is some form of paraphrase, but I can't imagine what you would be paraphrasing. I think you heard it from someone else.
In any event, it does not accurately portray my belief.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:16PM
Steve Williams
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Hi Steve Williams
Thanks for the link but also remember his name is not Jesus Christ but Emanuel the term Jesus Christ meant King in within
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:21PM
Sylvainy R
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Jamal and Harry, are you saying Richard and I have no place here because of the color of our skin? Why do the majority (at least of those speaking) accept us?
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:24PM
Steve Williams
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Jamal and Harry, could it be you represent a small minority regarding the meaning of brotherhood?
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:27PM
Steve Williams
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Sylvainy, a search for reference to Emmanuel in Josephus does not yield any obvious results. I will wait for your reference.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 4:37PM
Steve Williams
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Dear Richard Kigel
I agree with you when you say we respect each other's point of view and don't descend into name calling--which is not intelligent or fruitful, or interesting or even courteous I like that However I'm leveing the office now I'll pick this up when I get home Thank you
Cheers
S
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 5:13PM
Sylvainy R
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Christianity is about Jesus Christ and saving souls from all cultural backgrounds. Christianity is NOT the white mans religion. Christianity is about Jesus Christ.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 5:18PM
Felice Bois
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I don't believe you are a name caller St. Jake. Yes, we all have our ancestry. Do we see it as good or bad, enjoy our diversity, or put one above the other? I think we are on the same page.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 6:19PM
Steve Williams
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All of you (even Harry LOL) raised some thought provoking questions. But you know one of the reasons that the NOI extracts principles from both the Qu'ran and Bible is that these books were stolen from our ancestors and made into mind controlling instruments and tools to keep them in 400 plus years of enslavement.
My immediate family is Muslim, but the majority of my aunts and uncles are practicing Episcopals and Catholics. Nevertheless, I was raised to keep an open mind and respect all religions even though I may not agree with their customs.
I never was one to denounce a person for their religious affiliation. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, etc. I believe it's all in the way you take God's message (through his Prophets and Messengers) and learn and build and grow from it.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 7:34PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Corey, and as you say, in the end, the bible speaks to Christians on a personal level, it should never be used as a justification to impose Christian belief on anyone else, but the individual believer takes the message for him/her self. And not all Christians get the same meaning from reading it, nor should they. I call myself Christian, but there are many who would tell me I am not. That doesn't matter, any more than the color of my skin.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 8:16PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, There is no Jamal and Harry
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:16PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, my apologies.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:20PM
Steve Williams
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Miisrael....Yes, to be free is certainly free to choose. But, like Bro. Soso said, After a religion has been forced on a people inducing fear....it becomes hard to difficult to break the fear attachment, no matter how wrong it may be. There is nothing Black about Christianity. The Christian theologians that Richard is speaking of is a bunch of "white people". The got together and formed a perfect religion religion to keep black people dependent on them forever since babies.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:20PM
jamal Abraham
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Bro. Corey....sounds like you have a good heart. But, the facts remain. Growing up there is so much information out there, sometimes you wonder what is right and what is wrong. As two brothers we can talk...huh.......OK what works for me is the truth. Only way I know for sure what the truth is about all of this, does it agree with the nature around us ....everyday. OK...white man say they kill jesus and he rose from the grave. Has anything, Corey, in your lifetime ever rose from the grave. Has a wasp rose from death. How about a spider ? How about a bee ? How about a living plant that died ? How about a beetle ? How about a mosquito, brother Corey ? OK, How about a very rich man....have one of those ever rose from the grave ? How about a very poor man ? Now, you do know the truthful answer to all of these questions. Yet, the Christian religion was beat and forced on millions of American black slaves. That is the facts of history. So, not only did they force a religion onto us.....they forced a lie onto us. Please think about the truth of what I say.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:29PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, when I came on this site over a year ago, it was with some trepidation. But I discovered my fears were unfounded. Until I met you.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:32PM
Steve Williams
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Ms. Felice. So nice to hear from you. Certainly black Americans need salvation...so much has been done TO us. We are the victim children of slaves. Keep an animal locked up then let him loose how will they think or act. Not normal, won't you agree. As human animals more advanced and rational than all animals, we much use our power of reasoning to make sense out of all of this. What I suggest is start with the facts and go from there. But, as two intelligent human beings, should not you and I start with the facts ? OK, When we left Africa on slave ships and arrived in America and made slaves.....the religion forced upon us was Christianity which is centers around Jesus Christ. You cannot separate the two. Even though Jesus NEVER Christianity. Never did the man make his lips form the word Christianity. No where in the Bible. So where did the name come from ? White people . Do not hesitate to tell me what is on your mind.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:37PM
jamal Abraham
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Steve, the majority of my people, Black Americans, are absolutely blind, deaf and dumb to their own knowledge and really do not care. I happen to truly love my people, it is as simple as that. there are all kinds of arguments...bottom line is that I speak the truth. Messenger Elijah Muhammad referred to my people as a savage. Being taught this as a child made me want to learn as much as I could and go to school so that I would not end up like what the messenger said Black Americans had become.
Really, is is not up to me as far as your welcome on BIA. I can only speak for myself. My family grew up in the country on the farm. One of our neighbors were white. We got along great with them. They never came inside our house. But, we all played together. They watched over our house and we watched over their house. They would invite us in their house. But, my parents taught us to stay outside. But, the entire family were nice to us...we respected them and they respected us. That was the way that I was raised. But, if any white person disrespect me in any way........then I get at attention.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:51PM
jamal Abraham
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Sis. Siebra..ASA...you are like me in that we have people of all religions in our family. But, the facts remain...that this particular religion was forced upon us.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 9:55PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, I'm very happy on BIA. It's just that you are so damn depressing. But as Irma would say, that's on me.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:03PM
Steve Williams
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Dear Saint Jake:
"You started it, I finished it. "
What???
I don't feel like I started anything but a conversation. Can you hold up your end of a reasonable, respectful and intelligent sharing of ideas?
If you can't do that much, then you are right. You did finish it cause I'm done.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:12PM
Richard Kigel
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JAMAL YOU ARE SO WRONG BRO YOU SURPRISE ME MAN WE THE BLACK KING THE BLACK JESUS the black man, I the son, I the prophet, I the Malcolm X, I the Medgar Evers, I the Martin, I the faceless warrior, plead my cause, you are the image of thee, I shall not let the world darken the spirit of my cause, The eyes of the almighty has breathed upon my trust. The deep breathes from the immensity of the heavens, dreams within the bleeding palms of humanities. Reactions of a divine soul. My spirit shall not die. STAY TRUE TO THE FACT THAT WE RULED ! FIRST FIND OUT HOW DID WE LOOSE OUR POWER THEN FIND OUT HOW THEY TOOK WHAT WE HAD AND USED IT AGAINST US ! THEN TAKE IT BACK !!!
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SON ,,, WHAT IS WILL BE AGAIN !!!
STOP FIGHTING OVER THE SMALL THINGS AND BE THE GREAT KING THAT LIVES,,,ALL THE MEN LOOK LIKE KIDS FIGHTING OVER A GIRL CALLED RELIGION ,,,, I WONDER WHAT YOU MEN COULD DO IF YOU ALL FIGHT FOR ONE COMMON CAUSE ! BLACK WHITE OR OTHER IN GODS EYES WE ARE STILL BROTHERS 1 I LOVE YOU GUYS AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT ! THE LOVE OF GOD !
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Dear Sylvainy:
I am sorry to say that I checked my Josephus and read the paragraph he wrote on Jesus Christ. There was no mention of Ethiopia or of his birth. The only reference to a time and place was the mention that Pilate was the governor who condemned him to the cross. That would put him in Jerusalem.
There is no reliable historical evidence that places Jesus of Nazareth in any place other than the Gallilee area where he lived and preached and Jerusalem where he died.
And if you do have some reliable evidence, please share it. But it's not Josephus.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:20PM
Richard Kigel
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NAMEN ARKBAR !!! HAS A BOOK CALLED ''BLACKMAN OBSOLETE SINGLE AND DANGEROUS''
PLEASE READ THIS BOOK !!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Bro. David....so nice you dropped by. Sounds like you have researched a lot of information in your life...Good for you. But, can two brothers sit down over some lemonade and talk turkey > OK
No matter where and what nation of Africa we came from, as Black Americans, we ended up on the slave block in America...can we agree to that ? And I shut up there !
Ok then from there where did we go and what did we do ? We were sold to this white slave owner and that one. We took on their last names. Meaning we were property of the white man. At that point, a religion was forced upon us. What was it ? and do we still have that religion today ? That is what this blog is about. There are some diehards that love that we were beat to worship the religion of Christianity. Then, there are other black Americans that say "enough is enough" and they want to empty the vessel clean of all the white man's cloak of slavery....his religion, his last name and his opinion of us. At that point, we are free ......and the truth of what I speak..is the truth, bro. David..., that will set you free.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:38PM
jamal Abraham
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Steve, I know what you mean. ....to a white person....I may sound depressing....but this is a black website.......If I wanted to please white people, then I would go to one of the many white websites. But, My mission from Allah, the One God is to the Children of American slaves.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:40PM
jamal Abraham
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BRO ARE YOU MAD AT WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AND WHAT THE WHITE MAN DID AND YOU FEEL HE HAS NO RIGHT TO TRY TO FLEX ON YOU HERE ON B,A , IS THAT THE SHORT ! I GOT THE HISTORY PART !
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:58PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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@ Brother Jamal,
I was not going to comment on this blog because you know exactly where I stand on it~ Need I remind you? I didn't think so. I love White men and the Whiteman's religion. Just my 2 cents worth.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 10:59PM
Jen Fad
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IT WAS A WHITE FAMILY THAT WAS IN THE FOREFRONT THAT FREED THE SALVES REMEMBER THE QUAKER FAMILY !!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “…Harry, are you saying Richard and I have no place here because of the color of our skin? Why do the majority (at least of those speaking) accept us?”
Steve is not a matter of accepting you. What I am saying is that Richard and you cannot speak about or for Black Americans because you are not a Black American.
I remember when I was a young teenager running down the block. The policeman would see us. First thing that would go through his mind is that we committed a crime. Our lives were always in jeopardy! On the other hand, but a White teenager running down the block it was considered that he was jogging.
Many of my friends mothers was afraid to let their sons hang out on Friday or Saturday evening since that is when the police would kill us. Many fathers talk to us about how to conduct ourselves when a policeman stopped us. Young adults as well as grown-ups were terrified about the police. I am sure that mothers and fathers during the days of slavery were generally terrified as well.
Now, you two people come along to tell Black Americans stupid things about our lives including religion when you have not walked in our shoes.
In addition, as far as the majority of Black Americans are concerned, we are some very ignorant people. Black Americans are so ignorant that they would not want to be a sovereign people and have a country of our own. Therefore, relying that the majority accepts you is worth nothing.
However, as I said before is not a matter of accepting you? It is more a matter of you telling Black Americans stupid things on this site about our lives including religion when you have not walked 2 feet in our shoes.
For instance, Richard is saying that Black Americans consciously chose Christianity as our religion. You, Steve have mentioned that you are against our sovereignty because we would be better off as one people, Black and White. Our religion is, “LIFE”! Black America’s first genuine prophet is Prophet Harry and not Jesus. You will come to see that everything I am saying is going to bear fruits.
I am here to speak for Black Americans. Black Americans want to be sovereign free on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Everything that I say is going to happen.
What say you?
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:14PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Ms. Bois,
You said this, “Christianity is NOT the white mans religion.”
Well, could you tell me something about Christianity other than Jesus Christ? Could you tell me how Christianity got started? Could you tell me if Christianity is meant for the all people?
Let’s talk with some intelligence and not through emotions, okay. So, give me some insight on the questions I just asked, okay
What say you?
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:23PM
Harry Watley
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David.... I do not think that a white person should interfere or get in the way of black American's effort to freedom, justice and equality. They have a nation, then they should not get in the way of black people's opportunity to have a nation of their own. If any try, I have plenty to say to them.
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:39PM
jamal Abraham
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Jen, I was wondering where you were. You probably have met a few good white men...there are black men that are better..............that's ALL !
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:45PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Mr. Kigel,
You said this, “2: "Historically that Christianity was forced on slaves and Jesus was forced on the them."
Absolutely. This is not debatable. However, how would you account for the vibrancy and durability of Christian faith SINCE emancipation?
You ask how I would account for the vibrancy and durability of Christianity since emancipation.
Well, as I said before you speak about Black Americans when you have not been a slave. You seem to believe that since emancipation Black Americans could miraculously reverse what was done to them during slavery. Mr. Kigel you need to be educated in one way while Black Americans need to be educated in another way.
This is a time that I am forced to expression heartfelt feelings because of frustration and ask you, what is wrong with you mentally speaking is? I really want to phrase myself another way and use street language or profanity! The reason for the vibrancy and durability of Christianity since emancipation is that the old slave master made Black Americans deaf, dumb, blind and stupid. Black Americans are still deaf, dumb, blind and stupid to this day since you could say that over the years, the Christian church has been a pillar of strength! The Christian Churches is a tremendous impediment to Black America’s progress to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent.
Then you said this, “Nobody is forcing or intimidating any Christian believers. Christian faith is strong in the black community”. Obviously, this is true because the forcing had already been done 300 years earlier on our ancestors during slavery that our ancestors pass down the White man’s Christian religion on us, Black Americans today. Come on, Mr. Kigel and wise up! Would you please!
I know it well just as Moses knew what Pharaoh had done to the children of Israel over 400 years. Moses saw it for himself when he went back to Egypt to lead his people out of Egypt that we know was the Exodus.
God rose Moses and I up to redeem our people out of the hands of the White America as Moses redeemed the children of Israel out of the hands of Pharaoh. Am I telling any lies? Am I being rational?
Do you believe that after 300 years of brutal slavery Black Americans would have a balance mind to reject Christianity? Do not be ignorant Mr. Kigel!
I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Everything that I say is going to happen and is the true. The hand of God if you will is on me as the hand of God was on Moses.
Tell me what you think!
Friday, August 13th 2010 at 11:59PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “I have just posted another King blog:”
Forget about Dr. King! He has passed. Dead people cannot do anything for Black Americans. Have you noticed that God did not send any dead person to the children of Israel? God sent a live man, Moses to the children of Israel. Likewise, God has done the same for Black Americans.
I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead Black Americans out of White America’s subjugation and racism into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that Black Americans could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
Everything that I say is going to happen. God have inspired me to know that Black America’s only permanent solution is that we desire to be a sovereign people. Black Americans are going to inherit a portion of this continent left to us by our ancestors whose labor and suffering entitles Black Americans to a portion of this continent that we could worship God in our own way as well.
What say you?
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 12:10AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Mr. Kigel and Mr. Corey Powell,
I just told you how White America has made Black Americans deaf, dumb, blind and idiots, right.
Now, read Mr. Corey Powell’s post. Why this man is blind, deaf and dumb is because no other people religion could work for one of the people. Each people must have their own religion to work since God is the entity that sheds out blessings, guidance and protection.
Mr. Powell is so dumb and blind that he mistakenly believes that White America is God when he says that he placed his burden on God, but he really placed his burden on White America.
Mr. Powell is in the same predicament that the children of Israel were in as well. The children of Israel told Moses that they have placed their burdens on Pharaoh since they came to believe that Pharaoh was God. It took Moses approximately 30 years to break the children of Israel out of stupidity in order that they accept the Exodus.
What say you?
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 12:21AM
Harry Watley
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Jamal, are you afraid of David?
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 12:32AM
Steve Williams
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Hello to All,
It is amazing to see so many Blacks that are self-haters. They speak so boldly, against what is good for Blacks. Well, the children of Israel did the same. Some speak so boldly about how to love White men.
I know Moses was flipped out when he went back to Egypt to hear and see the self-hatred of the children of Israel had for themselves. He heard from the Hebrew women how much they love the Egyptian men.
When you stand on the outside you could see how blind, deaf, dumb and stupid Whites and Egyptians made Black Americans and the children of Israel.
What the Whites have done to Black Americans is of such that the Whites cannot reverse the damage even if they wanted to do so. The damage would stay permanent unless God raise up a prophet from among Black Americans to reverse the damage as God rose up Moses to reverse the damage that Pharaoh had cause. In other words, the damage that White America is so damaging that if all White America decides to hold classes to undo what the old slave master done, Black Americans will not believe White America should White America tell Black Americans they made us blind, deaf, dumb and stupid. Only God can reverse what has happened.
It is just baffling and painful to Jamal and me to see you all in this condition excludes. Jamal can see. The wall that Jamal still have the scale is the wall of Islam. Islam Jamal must return to the Arabian people. Jamal must also come to understand that the African people that was taken from Africa was transformed into Black Americans because White men bred themselves with those Africans they purchased from the slave traders. So, when Jamal says that Black Americans were taken from Africa is not true. Black Americans did not cross the Atlantic Ocean. Black Americans did not exist in Africa. Black Americans are a new race of people made on this continent by White America.
Anyway, it is amazing to hear Mr. David Johnson, Mrs. Jen and Corey Powell express their self-hatred.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 1:23AM
Harry Watley
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HAY HARRY ,JAMALJEN JAKE GO OVER TO MY WEBSITE AND POST THIS INFO FOR ANOTHER !http://gospelofdavid.ning.com/main/index/addContent?xg_source=msg_wel_nc
Thanks!
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 1:29AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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COPY.V= AND PASTE P_ JUST GO TO THE SITE THEN HIT ME PU
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 1:32AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “Jamal, are you afraid of David?”
I told you before about being stupid and sowing seeds of dissent among Blacks.
Now, state why you believe Jamal is afraid of David? Again, stop being stupid and sowing seeds of discord among us, Blacks.
Steve, Black Americans are going to contain White Americans as well as save White Americans from the rest of the world since White Americans are Black America’s closest relatives.
In other words, do you see how White America is trying to contain the Iranians? Well, Black Americans are going to contain and change White Americans for the better. Everything that I say is going to happen!
What say you?
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 1:32AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, it was another way of asking had he deleted him. Okay?
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 1:47AM
Steve Williams
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Steve......Me....afraid of WHO......NO....I have no need to delete David.
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 8:08AM
jamal Abraham
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@ Sister Felicia~~ I second that notion. Even if men used it (Christianity) to defraud (and still do) others it's still a message and gospel of love (love of God for the world).
@ Brother Jamal~~ Perhaps you could be right, but I didn't meet any good ones when I was single and from the looks of it other sistahs are having the same problem. Why don't you be a good brotha and help the sistahs out. Ha!
Saturday, August 14th 2010 at 3:15PM
Jen Fad
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