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All the remaining parts of the Bible, generally known by the
name of the Prophets, are the works of the Jewish poets and
itinerant preachers, who mixed poetry,* anecdote, and devotion
together- and those works still retain the air and style of poetry,
though in translation.

*As there are many readers who do not see that a composition is
poetry unless it be in rhyme, it is for their information that I add
this note.

Poetry consists principally in two things- imagery and
composition. The composition of poetry differs from that of prose in
the manner of mixing long and short syllables together. Take a long
syllable out of a line of poetry, and put a short one in the room of
it, or put a long syllable where a short one should be, and that line
will lose its poetical harmony. It will have an effect upon the line
like that of misplacing a note in a song. The imagery in these books,
called the Prophets, appertains altogether to poetry. It is
fictitious, and often extravagant, and not admissible in any other
kind of writing than poetry. To show that these writings are composed
in poetical numbers, I will take ten syllables, as they stand in the
book, and make a line of the same number of syllables, (heroic
measure) that shall rhyme with the last word. It will then be seen
that the composition of these books is poetical measure. The instance
I shall produce is from Isaiah:

"Hear, O ye heavens, and give ear, O earth!"
'Tis God himself that calls attention forth.

Another instance I shall quote is from the mournful Jeremiah, to
which I shall add two other lines, for the purpose of carrying out the
figure, and showing the intention the poet:

"O! that mine head were waters and mine eyes"
Were fountains flowing like the liquid skies;
Then would I give the mighty flood release,
And weep a deluge for the human race.

There is not, throughout the whole book called the Bible, any word
that describes to us what we call a poet, nor any word that
describes what we call poetry. The case is, that the word prophet,
to which latter times have affixed a new idea, was the Bible word
for poet, and the word prophesying meant the art of making poetry.
It also meant the art of playing poetry to a tune upon any
instrument of music.

We read of prophesying with pipes, tabrets, and horns- of
prophesying with harps, with psalteries, with cymbals, and with
every other instrument of music then in fashion. Were we now to
speak of prophesying with a fiddle, or with a pipe and tabor, the
expression would have no meaning or would appear ridiculous, and to
some people contemptuous, because we have changed the meaning of
the word.

We are told of Saul being among the prophets, and also that he
prophesied; but we are not told what they prophesied, nor what he
prophesied. The case is, there was nothing to tell; for these prophets
were a company of musicians and poets, and Saul joined in the
concert, and this was called prophesying.

The account given of this affair in the book called Samuel is,
that Saul met a company of prophets; a whole company of them!
coming down with a psaltery, a tabret, a pipe and a harp, and that
they prophesied, and that he prophesied with them. But it appears
afterward, that Saul prophesied badly; that is, he performed his
part badly; for it is said, that an "evil spirit from God"* came
upon Saul, and he prophesied.

*As those men who call themselves divines and commentators, are
very fond of puzzling one another, I leave them to contest the
meaning of the first part of the phrase, that of an evil spirit from God.
I keep to my text- I keep to the meaning of the word prophesy.

Now, were there no other passage in the book called the Bible than
this, to demonstrate to us that we have lost the original meaning of
the word prophesy, and substituted another meaning in its place,
this alone would be sufficient; for it is impossible to use and
apply the word prophesy, in the place it is here used and applied,
if we give to it the sense which latter times have affixed to it.
The manner in which it is here used strips it of all religious
meaning, and shows that a man might then be a prophet, or he might
prophesy, as he may now be a poet or a musician, without any regard
to the morality or immorality of his character. The word was originally
a term of science, promiscuously applied to poetry and to music, and
not restricted to any subject upon which poetry and music might be
exercised.

Deborah and Barak are called prophets, not because they
predicted anything, but because they composed the poem or song that
bears their name, in celebration of an act already done. David is
ranked among the prophets, for he was a musician, and was also
reputed to be (though perhaps very erroneously) the author of the
Psalms. But Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are not called prophets; it
does not appear from any accounts we have that they could either
sing, play music, or make poetry.

We are told of the greater and the lesser prophets. They might
as well tell us of the greater and the lesser God; for there cannot be
degrees in prophesying consistently with its modern sense. But there
are degrees in poetry, and therefore the phrase is reconcilable to the
case, when we understand by it the greater and the lesser poets.

It is altogether unnecessary, after this, to offer any
observations upon what those men, styled prophets, have written. The
axe goes at once to the root, by showing that the original meaning
of the word has been mistaken and consequently all the inferences
that have been drawn from those books, the devotional respect that
has been paid to them, and the labored commentaries that have been
written upon them, under that mistaken meaning, are not worth
disputing about. In many things, however, the writings of the Jewish
poets deserve a better fate than that of being bound up, as they now
are with the trash that accompanies them, under the abused name of
the word of God.

From "The Age of Reason"
By Thomas Paine
Posted By: Adam Fate
Thursday, September 16th 2010 at 6:37PM
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Wasn't Paine a deist?
Thursday, September 16th 2010 at 7:58PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Excellent reading.

Thank You

Adam, as the above article from the American Founding Father that gave us today "The Bill of Rights" talks about old/new testament messenger/prophets/or whatever?---

do these collected events refer to one location, many locations, One Time or what time period?


Thursday, September 16th 2010 at 8:46PM
robert powell
Thomasena, My understanding is he was a Deist. I don't know however if he described himself as such, as The Age of Reason is the first of his works I've read (sad to say), and I have not seen him use the term yet. That work is available at http://www.deism.com
Thursday, September 16th 2010 at 9:56PM
Adam Fate
Robert, in this passage he is restricting himself to the Old Testament. I always wondered just what a prophet was and what they did, and this is the first time I've seen an explanation that makes sense to me. At least in the context of the Old Testament where so many are referred to as prophets, and as prophesying, and often in the context it doesn't make sense to take it as "predicting".
Thursday, September 16th 2010 at 10:03PM
Adam Fate
My understanding of Prophets as The Creator gives a chapter

My best english translation.

Sûrat Al-Anbiyâ’

(The Prophets) XXI

In the Name of Allâah,the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. The reckoning, reality draws nearer, while Mankind turn away in heedlessness.

10. Indeed, We have sent down for you Family of Adaam, AlQur’âan in which there is Dhikrukum, your Reminder and an honour the one who follows the teaching of AlQur’âan and acts on its teachings. Will you not then understand?
91. And Maryam who guarded her chastity: We breathed into the sleeves of her garment; Our Rûh - Jibrîl, and We made her and her son ‘Îsâ a sign for Al-‘Âlamîn (Mankind and jinn).
92. Truly! This, your Ummah (Monotheism) is one religion, and I am your Lord, therefore worship Me, Alone.
93. But they have broken up and differed as regards their religion among themselves. They all shall return to Us.
94. So whoever does righteous good deeds while he is a Believer in the Oneness of Allâah - (Monotheism), his efforts will not be rejected. Verily We record it for him (in his Book of deeds).


Friday, September 17th 2010 at 8:11AM
robert powell
Robert, thank-you. This may or may not be a relevant follow-up, as I read further in this treatise:

Since, then no external evidence can, at this long distance of
time, be produced to prove whether the Church fabricated the
doctrines called redemption or not (for such evidence, whether for or
against, would be subject to the same suspicion of being fabricated),
the case can only be referred to the internal evidence which the thing
carries within itself; and this affords a very strong presumption of
its being a fabrication. For the internal evidence is that the
theory or doctrine of redemption bas for its base an idea of pecuniary
Justice, and not that of moral Justice.

If I owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to
put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and
pay it for me; but if I have committed a crime, every circumstance
of the case is changed; moral Justice cannot take the innocent for the
guilty, even if the innocent would offer itself. To suppose Justice to
do this, is to destroy the principle of its existence, which is the
thing itself; it is then no longer Justice, it is indiscriminate
revenge.

This single reflection will show, that the doctrine of
redemption is founded on a mere pecuniary idea corresponding to that
of a debt which another person might pay; and as this pecuniary idea
corresponds again with the system of second redemption, obtained
through the means of money given to the Church for pardons, the
probability is that the same persons fabricated both the one and the
other of those theories; and that, in truth there is no such thing
as redemption- that it is fabulous, and that man stands in the same
relative condition with his Maker as he ever did stand since man
existed, and that it is his greatest consolation to think so.

Let him believe this, and he will live more consistently and
morally than by any other system; it is by his being taught to
contemplate himself as an outlaw, as an outcast, as a beggar, as a
mumper, as one thrown, as it were, on a dunghill at an immense
distance from his Creator, and who must make his approaches by
creeping and cringing to intermediate beings, that he conceives either
a contemptuous disregard for everything under the name of religion,
or becomes indifferent, or turns what he calls devout. In the latter
case, he consumes his life in grief, or the affectation of it; his
prayers are reproaches; his humility is ingratitude; he calls
himself a worm, and the fertile earth a dunghill; and all the
blessings of life by the thankless name of vanities; he despises the
choicest gift of God to man, the GIFT OF REASON; and having
endeavored to force upon himself the belief of a system against which
reason revolts, he ungratefully calls it human reason, as if man could
give reason to himself.

Yet, with all this strange appearance of humility and this
contempt for human reason, he ventures into the boldest
presumptions; he finds fault with everything; his selfishness is never
satisfied; his ingratitude is never at an end. He takes on himself
to direct the Almighty what to do, even in the government of the
universe; he prays dictatorially; when it is sunshine, he prays for
rain, and when it is rain, he prays for sunshine; he follows the
same idea in everything that he prays for; for what is the amount of
all his prayers but an attempt to make the Almighty change his mind,
and act otherwise than he does? It is as if he were to say: Thou
knowest not so well as I.

But some, perhaps, will say: Are we to have no word of God- no
revelation? I answer, Yes; there is a word of God; there is a
revelation.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD and it is in this
word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God
speaketh universally to man.

Friday, September 17th 2010 at 9:25AM
Adam Fate
What is a prophet? I am surprised Harry hasn't answered that question yet...
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 10:32AM
Siebra Muhammad
Adam,
This is an interesting read. If I didn't know better I would think that my mother wrote it. She always said that man invented the 'God" taught and that it was to control the minds of a thinkers. I just asked young man the other day who was having some questions about how he preceived GOD and his power, did he believe that GOD gave him a thinking mind. He said yes, then I asked him why? He was even more confused. I asked him to think bout that question in light of the questions he was having. We are to talk later. I'm going to let him read this piece for himself.

Thanks so much; I am bookmarking this.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 10:38AM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Siebra, I have invited Harry's comment.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 12:11PM
Adam Fate
Thomasena, I have no doubt you will be a great help to the young man.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 12:12PM
Adam Fate
I try.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 3:20PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
Robert,
Sometimes we have to rise above ignorance. Please, do not leave the site. Intelligent minds are hard to come by sometimes. Do not let anyone drive you away, then they will win. I think I speak for many on this site. Your knowledge adds to the bank of knowledge that people who thirst for knowledge would like to make up a world. Here is what I do. Those who do not fit in my world, I erase them. That is the reason I don't respond to Harry anymore. Hang in and all of us who have will continue to support you even if we don't always agree all of the time. That is how we learn.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 3:28PM
Thomasena Martin-Johnson
I thank you for the time to read and write with you all.

Someone has deleted not only my comments on Blogs but My own Blog that Was #1 of All Time on BIA for Hits.

I guess too much Reality.

But goodbye, I must say I only stumbled on this site because I was looked for the Soledad Obrien.

Dr. DD Culpepper or whoever obviously felt that I have NO KNOWLEDGE.

and to The Djs and other negroid TeaPartiers, I DO NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE.

thanky you.
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 6:55PM
robert powell
But of course we are stuck with David's ignorant garbage!
Friday, September 17th 2010 at 9:43PM
Adam Fate
Wasn't charles manson deemed by his faithful followers as a PROPHET?!? (SMILE)

@ROBERT, I PREDICT THAT THE BILL OF RIGHTS WILL BE CHANGED/ AMMENDED DURING THE NEXT MAJORITY LED DEMOCRAT SUPREME COURT.... DOES HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF MAKE US ALL PROPHETS OR NOT?!? LOL (SMILE)
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