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When dealing with a narcissist (or a person with borderline), we face one major problem, and this is the narcissist's attitude towards lying.

While the majority of people will have learned that not only that lying brings about devastation and destruction, it ultimately leads to total isolation and loneliness. This is, it hinders any sincere communication and hence the narcissist will find her/himself increasingly on the outside and excluded.

However, as much as the narcissist notices this isolation and reacts with increasing panic, it does not bring about a modification of the narcissist's coping strategy.

The attitude of the narcissist towards lying is very childish and simple: If the narcissist lies and gets away with it, (s)he interprets this as being clever and superior to others. In this sense, while common sense clearly sees lying as a social ill, the narcissist views lying as an excellent tool to obtain what (s)he wants and as a means to demonstrate how stupid others are.

A person now, who wishes to engage in real communication and shows openness will be viewed by the narcissist as an utter fool who deserves to be exploited. Willingness to communicate and to show openness will be seen be the narcissist as weakness and stupidity.

When dealing with a narcissist, extreme care must be taken and events need to be recorded. It also is important to communicate with others who have to deal with the narcissist in order to counter-act splitting. This is, the narcissist uses lies in order to set up people against each other. In general, this is quite simple: The narcissist tells a person A that person B doesn't like person A and the same the other way round. This then prevents A from talking to B and hence both parties can be manipulated through the narcissist's lies.

While a normal person will be embarrassed when found out lying, not so the narcissist. The narcissist will see this as a threat to her/his superiority and will straight away think of ways of how to overcome this threat and this is by forming new lies.

To say it in one sentence: For the narcissist lying is fun and a tool, and anybody who doesn't lie is a fool in the eyes of the narcissist. Trying to communicate with a narcissist is therefore pointless.

Dr. Ludger Hofmann-Engl
Posted By: DAVID JOHNSON
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:05AM
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Pathological lying is one of the hallmark characteristics of a narcissist, who does it out of a need to manipulate and maintain control. For the immature narcissist there is an essential emotional truth: lying is an expression of his (or her) mistrust of others; and his (or her) need to maintain a fragile sense of self at all costs.

Being honest (and therefore vulnerable) terrifies the narcissist. Since his primary goal is to control others, through projection he constantly fears that others will try to control him. Thus, lying becomes the modus operandi through which he can maintain his superficial presentation of himself and keep people from learning the truth of who he really is. He never allows himself to be "pinned down", or accountable. More lies are always necessary to cover up a previous lie. And typically, he even begins to believe his own lies and become outraged at any suggestion that he may be lying. Thus he becomes sincere in his lying and others may actually believe the lies because of the sincerity. This is why truly pathological liars (such as sociopaths) are so hard to detect in the population. In general, the lack of an ability to feel guilty about the lies, and the perverse sense that he is "entitled to lie" are standard for the political narcissist.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 11:06AM
DAVID JOHNSON
75% of the 1% that have narcissistic personality disorder are men, more often a firstborn. This is one of the most difficult personality pattern to treat. They are known to manipulate their therapist. Treatment involves teaching them to interpret criticism more rationally and to change their all or nothing style of thinking. So far none of the treatments have been successful.
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 2:34PM
Helen Lofton
well what about the 4th child me how do i stand !
Wednesday, November 17th 2010 at 6:07PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Sunday, November 21st 2010 at 5:02PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
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Pathological lying is one of the hallmark characteristics of a narcissist, who does it out of a need to manipulate and maintain control. For the immature narcissist there is an essential emotional truth: lying is an expression of his (or her) mistrust of others; and his (or her) need to maintain a fragile sense of self at all costs.
Sunday, November 28th 2010 at 2:41AM
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