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In 1992, I took a class at Emory University in Atlanta called Introduction to the Old Testament. As I read the various required textbooks for the course, I saw something I had not noticed before. Many Old Testament scholars, particularly European scholars of the 18th, 19th and early 20th century, had written their books and commentaries on the Old Testament from the perspective that there were no people of color mentioned in the Scriptures.
Puzzled, I began to look into the topic more deeply. I studied intensively for about a year, attending lectures and interviewing scholars. I began to realize that this was a particularly difficult and controversial subject, and it has caused much hurt. Thankfully, times have changed, but some of the wounds remain. So let’s look at it, and put to rest once and for all this biased and unfair distortion of the Bible.
Let me apologize in advance for some of the terms that I will need to use as we discuss this topic. They are not the terms we would prefer today, but they are terms that historians, ethnologists and Bible commentators of past centuries, and even the 20th century, have employed to explain their ideas about the origin of blacks. These ideas, steeped in racial prejudice, were alleged to provide a biblical justification for black slavery and the subjugation of black peoples.
When I first read about these concepts, they brought tears to my eyes. As a white person in a predominantly white country, I also began to gain a better understanding of and a greater appreciation for the black experience in the United States.
Is the Bible a book by a white God for white people? Of course not. God is spirit and does not have "color" in our human and earthly sense. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that people are excluded from God’s saving grace on the basis of ethnic origin or skin color. God is "not wanting anyone to perish" (2 Peter 3:9). Jesus is the Savior of all peoples. Nevertheless, it is a fact that the majority of European artists and Bible commentators painted and described all biblical characters, including God, as white. This had the effect of excluding blacks from being a part of Scripture and has led some people of color to question the Bible’s relevance to them.
Exclusion was only one side of the problem. Where the presence of blacks in the Bible was admitted, primarily among uneducated whites, outrageous myths and fables abounded. This was especially true among white Christians living in the southeastern United States prior to the Civil War. These denigrating tales were believed to support the racist (and unbiblical) notion that the Bible supported a white subjugation of black people.
What do we mean by "black"?
There are several difficulties surrounding any discussion of this sensitive topic. Some are obvious; others are less so. Not least is the question, what do we mean by "black" people? In America today, we mean African-Americans — those with African ancestry and dark skin color. But is that how the people who lived when the books of the Bible were written would have thought?
There are differences between ancient and modern concepts of what "black" means when it is applied to people. For example, in the table of nations in Genesis 10, the word used to describe the people descended from Ham in the ancient Hebrew, Akkadian and Sumerian languages is related to the color black. But what does this mean? Our traditional understanding of the Old Testament is influenced by the ancient rabbinic method of interpretation known as Midrash. These interpretations sometimes take precedence over the literal meaning of the text being interpreted. They also belong to another time with other socio-economic conditions and concerns. When ancient rabbinic literature mentions black people, does it mean ethnically "Negro" or just people of generally darker skin?
Let me give you a modern example. In a congregation I once pastored were two families with the surnames Black and White. The Whites were black and the Blacks were white. Mr. Black, who was white, used to talk about his lovely white grandchildren who were Blacks. And Mr. White talked about his lovely black grandchildren who were Whites. Imagine what someone a thousand years from now would think if they read that.
Just because some people are called by a term meaning "black" does not necessarily prove they were what we now call black. Of course, it does not mean that they were not "people of color" either. In ancient times, just as folks did in the old frontier societies of our country, people often were given names that reflected their personality, where they were from or their appearance. But names like "Slim," "Tex," "Kid," "Smitty" or "Buffalo" tell you nothing of a person’s ancestry.
Some ancient writers say that the Egyptians and Ethiopians were black. But what do they mean? How "black" were they? Were they merely darker than those doing the writing? The wall paintings and hieroglyphics of the ancient Egyptians and Ethiopians picture some people as black in color. But this was a highly stylized art form, and may have nothing to do with their actual skin color.
Some black people are much fairer in skin color than some we classify as "Caucasians." There are also social and legal definitions, based on the percentage of African or "Negro" blood people have in their ancestry. It was not so long ago that certain states had laws that stated that someone was a "Negro" if the person had even a single black ancestor. Physical appearance did not matter.
These are some of the difficulties of trying to determine if people in the Bible are what today we consider black. It is therefore irresponsible to draw superficial conclusions either for or against a black presence in the Scriptures. But this did not stop scholars and theologians (who surely should have known better) from suggesting that all people in the Bible were white, and that the Bible record excludes the Asian and "Negro" races, a conclusion that is not true.
But suppose it were true? What difference would that make? The Bible account focuses on what we now call the Middle East, and in particular the rags-to-riches-to-ruin story of ancient Israel. It is specific to geography and to a historical period. Other people are mentioned as they pertain to the unfolding of that story. So Eskimos (or Inuit) are not included, nor are Koreans. Yet no one seriously believes that they are excluded from the human race. But when it comes to the alleged absence of black people, we encounter a web of cruel deceit that makes a mockery of the true biblical record. Only when you understand this can you begin to get a glimmer of what it has been like to be black in America.
Several views
Among those who have accepted the presence of black people in the Bible, several different views as to the origin of blacks were postulated. Let’s look at some of these.
The pre-Adamite view argues that blacks, particularly so-called "Negroes," are not descended from Adam. This view appears to have its origin in the works of such authors as Paracelsus in 1520, Bruno in 1591, Vanini in 1619 and one of the most prolific writers, Peyrère, in 1655. It reached a high level of development with the 19th-century scholar Alexander Winchell in his book, Preadamites; or a Demonstration of the Existence of Men Before Adam, published in 1880.
These writers (all of them white), argued that blacks belong to a race created before Adam and from among whom the biblical villain Cain found his wife. Cain, by marrying one of these pre-Adamic peoples, the reasoning goes, became the progenitor of all black people. Therefore, it was rationalized, black people, especially "Negroes," are not actually human, because they did not descend from Adam but from some pre-Adamic creation, having entered the human race only by intermarriage, and that with a notorious sinner. As non-humans, therefore, they did not have souls, but were merely beasts like any other beast of the field. And since the Bible says God gave humans dominion over the beasts, it was concluded that these soulless creatures exist to do work for the humans.
This preposterous theological premise was preached in churches across the United States, particularly in the Southeast, to reassure people that slavery was not only acceptable, but the very will of God, rooted firmly in a "proper" understanding of the Bible.
The Cainite view argues that Cain was born white, but after his unacceptable sacrifice and the murder of his brother, Abel, he was turned black as punishment and became the progenitor of all black people. According to some of the rabbinic Midrashim (in both the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud), because Cain offered an unacceptable sacrifice, the smoke from this unacceptable sacrifice blew back on him, turned him black and caused all of his children to be born black. In another Talmudic story, a rabbi says that God beat Cain with hail until he turned black. Stories vary, but it became a common Euro-American belief that God cursed and marked Cain by turning him black.1
The Noahite (or old Hamite) view can be traced to writings suggested in the Talmud and later adopted by Jewish and Christian interpreters (especially among white southerners in the pre-Civil War United States). In this view, Ham violated God’s supposed prohibition against mating on the ark. Because he could not resist, he was turned black. Yet another teaching was that Ham and/or Canaan were turned black as a result of Noah’s curse in Genesis 9:24-27. In this view, because God cursed Canaan, that curse was to go on all of Canaan’s descendants and the curse was, first, that they would all be turned black, and second, that they would be servants to white people. Again, we see here a blatant attempt to interpret the Bible in a way that justifies the institution of black slavery.
The New Hamite view is a 19th-century view that holds that Hamites were all white rather than black with the possible exception of Cush. (Cush is a Hebrew term that means "black one.") Scholars, particularly in 19th century Germany, said that even if Cush were black in color, he must be regarded as a Caucasoid black. Why? Because, in their view, Negroes were not within the purview of the writers of the Bible. Even some modern biblical scholars hold this view. For example, Martin Noth, considered to be one of the most respected Old Testament scholars of all time, states on page 263 of his book The Old Testament World (Fortress, 1966) that the biblical writers knew nothing of any Negro people.
Understandably, there has been a reaction among black theologians and black people to these ideas. Some have tended toward the opposite extreme, arguing that everyone in the Bible was black. Dr. Charles B. Copher, professor of African American Studies at Interdenominational Theological School in Atlanta, says this view is patently outlandish. He believes that this notion is an overreaction that can lead to another kind of extremism.
The Adamite view is the orthodox Jewish, Christian and Islamic view. It is based (for Christians) on Acts 17:26, which states that God made all people from one original bloodline, or one source. This, we emphasize, is the only view that is consistent with the true message of Scripture. Nevertheless, these other hideously distorted ideas have been promulgated, and some still have a degree of influence even today.
So what?
So, where does that leave us? Feeling slightly nauseated, I hope, over the amazing ability we have to delude ourselves and bend the word of God in any direction that suits our purposes.
The overall and surely indisputable message is that God has created us all in his image and has included all members of the human race in the saving work of his Son. Nowhere does the Bible give any indications that black people, or any people, whether "of color" or not, are outside the embrace of his love. But the fact remains that people have believed and taught this error, and sadly, it has been a teaching that still affects the way many of us think about each other, and perhaps even ourselves. The Bible does not focus on skin color as any form of criterion. All have sinned, all have fallen short of the glory of God, and all are recipients of his grace through Jesus Christ.
But what about the question of whether black people are mentioned in the Bible? Admittedly it is difficult to build a definitive case, based on textual evidence, to prove beyond all doubt that black people are mentioned in its pages. But why should we have to? Let’s turn the question around. There is no evidence whatsoever that black people — or any people for that matter — are excluded from the purview of the writers of the Bible. Let us put the burden of proof on those who would teach otherwise.
Evidence in the Bible
The stories of the Bible took place in and around what we now call the Middle East, and people moved on and off its stage based on their relationship with the nations of ancient Israel and Judah. Consequently the vast majority of the world’s ethnic and racial groups are not specifically identified. But some of those who are identified were black.
There is a strong tradition that some of the descendants of Noah through his son Ham were black. Ham had a son named Cush, which means "black" in Hebrew. Cush is the most common term designating color in reference to persons, people or lands used in the Bible. It’s used 58 times in the King James Version. The Greek and Latin word is Ethiopia. In classical literature, Greek and Roman authors describe Ethiopians as black. Archaeology has found these people to be black. In the book of Jeremiah, the question is asked, "Can the Ethiopian change his skin?"
Genesis 10:6-20 describes the descendants of Ham as being located in North Africa, Central Africa and in parts of southern Asia. Psalm 105:23 mentions the "land of Ham" in Egypt, and Psalm 78:51 connects the "tents of Ham" with Egypt.
Other Old Testament evidence
In Genesis 10, Nimrod, son of Cush (whose name means "black"), founded a civilization in Mesopotamia. In Genesis 11, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a land whose earliest inhabitants included blacks. The people of the region where Abraham came from can be proven historically and archaeologically to have been intermixed racially. So it is possible that Abraham and those who traveled with him could have been racially mixed.
Genesis 14 tells how Abraham’s experiences in Canaan and Egypt brought him and his family into areas inhabited by peoples who were very likely black. Both archaeological evidence and the account in 1 Chronicles 4 tell us that the land of Canaan was inhabited by the descendants of Ham.
Further black presence can be found in the accounts of Hagar the Egyptian, Ishmael and his Egyptian wife, and Ishmael’s sons, especially Kedar. The Kedarites are mentioned many times in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Nehemiah, and the word kedar means "blackness."
Still further evidence of black presence in the patriarchal period appears with Joseph’s experiences in Egypt. Joseph married an Egyptian woman, Asenath, who was descended from Mizraim, which made her Hamitic. Thus there is a strong possibility that Asenath was black. She was the mother of Ephraim and Manasseh.
The New Testament
The New Testament also contains ample evidence of a black presence. Acts 8 tells the story of the Ethiopian eunuch, one of the first Gentiles to be baptized. He came from a black region, so he may have been black. In Acts 13 we read of Simeon, called Niger, the Latin term for black. There is also Lucias from Cyrene, a geographical location of black people.
Do these references give us absolute proof? No. But the weight of evidence indicates that blacks were not excluded from "Bible action." Modern scholarly opinion refutes the theologians who argued against a black presence in the Bible. But sadly, the past Euro-centrist interpretation of the Bible, which did recognize a black presence in the Bible, was deliberately used by some in the past to justify the subjugation and enslavement of peoples of color.
I believe it can be argued that there is a black presence in the Old and New Testaments. But either way, what is certain is that the Bible teaches that God has made all people of one ancestry. All humans — male, female, black, white, red, yellow and brown, are God’s children. They are all made in the image of God for salvation through Jesus Christ.
The New Testament makes it clear that no one is excluded from God’s love and purpose. Paul tells us that there is "neither Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Jesus Christ" (Galatians 3:26-29). God’s Word concerns, involves and speaks to all people inclusively.
We could sum it up in the words of the popular song:
Red and yellow, black and white, all are precious in his sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
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Posted By: anita moore
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I have been fighting with myself since Christmas Day whether to post this blog or not, but I gave in to my consciousness and did what I believe to be the right thing. This is a subject to be examined by all and if we are to move further into history and form an understanding, we need to talk about it.
I was sitting at the table with my mom who is a minister and I was sharing my most enlightening experiences through my interactions with my Sista’s and Brotha’s on BIA. She said to me “Anita, we all know that there were black people in the bible” at which time, my mouth fell open. I didn’t push her for more, for I would never disrespect my mother, but I had to go investigate on my own. So I’m searching for answers and came across this posting, and after you finish reading it you’ll see how explosive it is. Please read and give me your comments.
Question? If most bible scholars know that black people are in the bible, why would they hide the truth? Do you think that by teaching God’s children that blacks are in the bible would cause division or bring Christians together?

Lisa C. Jones of Ebony states this: Although film, books and art depict most biblical characters as blond and blue-eyed Europeans, a growing body of research indicates that Blacks or people who would be considered as Blacks today were among the major actors in the Bible, which is generally called "the greatest book of all time."
"Over the years, African-Americans have been introduced to a form of Christianity that was largely recast through the European culture," says Dr. Cain Hope Felder, a New Testament language and literature professor at the Howard University School of Divinity and the author of several books on the subject. "We are not creating something new. We are going back and recovering what was always there."
What was always there, Dr. Felder and other religious experts say, is incontrovertible evidence that noted biblical figures, such as the Queen of Sheba, Moses' Cu****e wife Zipporah, Prophet Jeremiah's right-hand man Ebedmelech, and Sarah's Egyptian handmaiden Hagar, are among the many royal Black personalities mentioned in the Bible.
Although evidence on the presence of Blacks in the Bible dates back to the 18th century, only in the past 25 years have Black scholars and ministers made major breakthroughs on a subject that has been practically ignored or suppressed by White religious authorities. Modern research, however, is based on the findings of Black historians like William Leo Hansberry and W.E.B. DuBois, who identified major Black biblical characters more than 50 years ago.
Moreover, some scholars say, it has taken them just as much time to convince Black Americans of their findings.

Saturday, January 1st 2011 at 10:06PM
anita moore
Sister Anita,

I think first we need to answer the question when was the bible written, and by whom. Suppose it was written starting in the 3rd century BCE in Alexandria? What did the people in and around Alexandria at that time look like? The bible characters were probably a reflection of them.

http://www.amazon.com/Berossus-Genesis-Man...

"Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus proposes a provocative new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. Gmirkin argues that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273-272 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen. 1-11 on Berossus' Babyloniaca (278 BCE) and of the Exodus story on Manetho's Aegyptiaca (c. 285-280 BCE), and the geo-political data contained in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, drawing on literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Septuagint translation, provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria's Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a late, 3rd century BCE date for major portions of the Hebrew Bible which show literary dependence on the Pentateuch."

For more on this book see:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9_7lSWFMC...

Saturday, January 1st 2011 at 10:50PM
Steve Williams
On the Documentary Hypothesis mentioned above see (for example):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_h...

Saturday, January 1st 2011 at 10:58PM
Steve Williams
Irma, I have to say when and by whom it was written is critical. European interpretations were flawed for the very reason that they didn't possess the information we have available today. When the KJV was written they still believed that the Pentateuch was written by Moses.
Saturday, January 1st 2011 at 11:47PM
Steve Williams
Okay. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Jesus were all Black men.
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 4:15AM
Steve Williams
Thanks Sista Irma, this is my mission for 2011. Our president wants us to come together and have open dialogue and that is my goal, especially about religion, politics, love and especially race relations.
@Brotha Steve , its all well and good to know who wrote the bible, but the more deeper question is, where the context of the bible originates from and do we operate on its context, not the context that causes controversy and hatred, because people are people and will use whatever they have at their disposal to cause controversy and hatred to come in and includes using the bible. That’s a given. I’ve taken your link and will look into it a little later. I’ve been studying the Gnostic Bible as I feel I’m getting better sides to all the issues, not just a white or black side. Actually you don’t know who wrote the bible. You only know what historians say, which could or could not be fact.
Sista Irma has hit the nail on the nose. This is not about when it was written, but the changes that have taken place in the bible and why it is people know the truth, white and black, but don’t teach it. European’s interpretations has nothing to do with the information they had. They’ve had the same information we’ve had, they just chose because of racial beliefs not to interpret it the right way.
And Sista Irma has hit upon a subject that definitely needs to be discussed, as we know there were up to 600 books missing from the bible, which a lot of them pertained to women but considered unacceptable to the new doctrine of the church, so were removed by protesting Catholic. Some of this knowledge comes from the existing text itself.
As these discussions get deeper and input comes from all sides, because I definitely don’t know the answers, more knowledge will be obtained for all.

Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 9:00AM
anita moore
Sister Anita,

Let me start with what you said, "Actually you don’t know who wrote the bible. You only know what historians say, which could or could not be fact." I leave off the second sentence. I don't know who wrote the bible, period. No one else does either. This is why I say history is the most difficult science there is. But I study history, and I study others who study history. We did a lot of study with Christine, and I have a ton of bookmarks for the things I found. And from that, I have theories, but they are no more than theories, and the study is ongoing. The link I gave you to that book... that is only one of many I'd like to read. There is a certain amount in the public domain, but not everything. And sadly, I don't have the funds to buy all the books I'd like to.

Now let me jump to Irma's question, why I would call them Black. The word melanin comes from a Greek word which means either "dark" or "black". The interpretation of any word, ancient or modern, depends not only on context, but on the preconceptions of the individual hearing it. Which is to say, if I use the word dark to refer to a skin color, someone may correct me and say I should use the word black. Hence we sometimes hear Black American, sometimes "people of color", but I could never say Dark American, could I? To make things worse, Black now refers to slave ancestry, and not just skin color. So people are very good at making things confusing when they insist on accepting the idea of Race. Now on "people of color", well I am a person of color, but I could not get away with calling myself that, could I? Much less to say I am a "colored person". And finally, no person is really black, no matter how much melanin they have. So I used the word Black in an attempt to satisfy general social consciousness. But I find I can't win for losing.

The bible is a compilation and a selection of ancient writings, and these writings were copied by hand many times over, and we have no assurance as to the validity of these writings after all this copying. We also have no assurance of the identity of the authors who were said to have written them in the first place, when there is an author ascribed. And worse, we don't have the writings that were left out of the compilation, except in a few cases, such as the Nag Hammadi Library. So here are my theories, subject to revision as I continue to study.

First, ethnicities. The oldest known human ancestor, Ardipithecus ramidus, has been found in modern day Ethiopia. We have ancient authors who say the Egyptians came down the Nile from Ethiopia. We have an author (Herodotus) saying the Egyptians had a colony on the east coast of the Black Sea, Colchis, and he says the proof for this was that the residents had dark (or black, if you prefer) skin and wooly hair. And Diodorus says about the Ethiopians the same thing, and also that they had broad flat noses. Now Colchis is in the region of the Caucasus, from which we derive "Caucasian", of all things. We also have Exodus saying that the Judeans came out of Egypt.

So it seems to me that all the people from Ethiopia to the Caucasus and probably Mesopotamia as well, were all related in their physical characteristics. I am going to stop here for now, but I will have more to say later about the origin of both the Old and New Testaments.

Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 12:09PM
Steve Williams
One must first know what the Truth is...Then they must decide on how it will benefit them.
It is obvious that the spiritual life is of no benefit to them personally because of the financial gain acquired through mis-information.
Truth is a luxury they can't afford or they world support it.
TRUTH.... The... Righteous...Us...Through...Honor..
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 12:23PM
Dr. Okpara Nosakhere
Irma, here we have three of the most nebulous topics one could imagine, race, religion, and history, all being discussed simultaneously. If I did not think I was going off topic, I would simply ask, why do the Hawaiians not call themselves anything but Hawaiian?
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 8:30PM
Steve Williams
Yes Brotha Okpara, love it! The truth must be taught to our children, for without that we will no longer exist, and that is their purpose, to extinguish us, for our use has diminished. Imagine a whole identity becoming extinct off the selfishness, greediness and self motivation for financial gain of another. There’s no reason for co-existence not to be obtainable on this planet we call earth. It has since the beginning of time. As Sista Irma has stated, WE ARE WARRIORS AND NOT VICTIMS TO BE TAKEN FROM M YIDENTITY AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN... we will not be muffled. Sista, that is a bad sister coming into your state, and we shall honor her by doing our part as Sister’s in the Struggle. Steve, how beautiful it will be when all know their history and not just a few telling a bunch of lies to benefit themselves. It will give everyone something to be proud of, and not just a few!
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 9:47PM
anita moore
Irma,

I only said two things. I made an observation that race, religion, and history are nebulous subjects. That was not to say they are not valid subjects (in fact my comments were to consider them all together) but only that discussing them together is to multiply nebulous by three. So to try to simplify things, I then I asked why the Hawaiians don't refer to themselves as anything but Hawaiian, though you said they are as dark as Nat King Cole. But of all the things you said, you didn't answer that question (so far as I can tell).

So what exactly is the subject of this blog? Sister Anita?
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 10:10PM
Steve Williams
Sister Anita, this last was being written before I saw your most recent comment.
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 10:12PM
Steve Williams
Irma, same thing I just said to Anita.
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 10:13PM
Steve Williams
Dang Sista Irma, while I was trying to get my words together, you was dropping science. Yes!Yes!Yes! thats some stuff for the members of BIA to chew on and digest. Yall better listen to that woman, she contains more knowledge in her brain than a lot of us put together. Blessings and Honor upon you sister! Whew!
Steve there is no deference towards you, but just a celebration of our history and heritage. We are just some amazing people, and its now time for the whole world to recognize it. Be happy for us and our awakening! It can only bring about peace! Teach On Sista!
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 10:20PM
anita moore
Dahling Irma, you are not missing a thing, you have just expounded on the subject matter, and as this is beneficial to everyone, it is truly welcomed! You have given me some knowledge which I've got to go back to the books for myself and this is a good thing. Just like we knew nothing about Australians, their history in regards to us, I neither knew of history pertaining to Hawaiins, but I will soon! Smile!
Steve this topic is meant to wake up our people in the forefront of Religion and their teachings. If you are going to teach, it should be the whole truth and not just what benefits you. They don't have to be extensive, just truthful, which will give the coming generations something to be proud of knowing they were originators and played an important part in not just African American history, but national history! Its important to us, and our children are loosing their identity. We are the only race, whose children know little to nothing about their history and that must change. A good place to begin would definitely be in the churches, as they have the ears of many, but as I don't see it happening, we will take it to the world, whatever way we have to, until our African American Sista's and Brotha's have arrived to the truth. Everyone Be Blessed!
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 10:56PM
anita moore
Huh, I thought we were talking about the Bible. Everyone else seems to know what it is, but I for one do not.
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 11:09PM
Steve Williams
Of course, we're talking about the bible and what it does and doesn't contain and that is black history, which our churches know of, but won't teach. I don't understand if this is fear of some kind or just plain ignorance. But our children need to know that their heritage did indeed make a difference. Its just like inventors. We have many and guess what, our children don't learn about them in school. Sorry went off topic, but was trying to make a point. See the fact of the matter is, you should be able to teach what you know, fact nor fiction or hearsay and other races should be able to do the same, and somewhere within those teachings the truth will be revealed, but instead the powers that be, have taken something so holy and distorted it for financial gain as well as to control and retain power and that's not right and will not stand the test of time. Look back at history!
Sunday, January 2nd 2011 at 11:32PM
anita moore
Thank you Irma, and Anita, I think ignorance and deceit (or fear as you say) are both at work.
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 12:05AM
Steve Williams
The reason why most of our leaders in religion (with the exception of those such as Reverend Wright and Minister Farrakhan) are hiding the turth is becuase of a fear of losing their congregation. And they are afraid of being labeled as anti-semitic. But they need not be afraid...after all, Jesus himself said, "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 3:31PM
Siebra Muhammad
hide, you dr. okapare are now a blocker

Answer your own question!
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 7:41PM
powell robert
@ Sister Anita,
What a very informative commentary with historical and geographical references and dates that can actually be traced. I believe that it’s important for African Americans especially to know that we are also people of the "Book". For as long as I can remember, I've heard Black Muslims (NOI) say that the Bible is the White Man's Religion when in fact that isn't totally correct. Then I've heard people say that Ham was cursed and therefore all his descendents were turned Black as result of it as well as I’ve heard that the Bible is for the Jewish people alone.

In answering the question you posed;

If most bible scholars know that black people are in the bible, why would they hide the truth? Do you think that by teaching God’s children that blacks are in the bible would cause division or bring Christians together?

These distortions are taught to promote the idea of Europeans/Whites are superior and that Blacks are inferior. Teaching what many have to know intuitively (the continent of Africa is populated with Black people) will cause some to stay separated in their own individual White churches and Black churches, but for those who believe as Paul taught in Galatians 3:26-29 that there is "neither Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Jesus Christ" will embrace all people as equal.
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 7:44PM
Jen Fad
...after all God so loved the world that He gave His only Son to die for it (the people of the world)... John 3:16
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 7:46PM
Jen Fad
ROBERT /hater of humongous NO BODY WANT YOU RANTING ON THERE BLOGS ROBERT POWELL !
Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 8:48PM
DAVID JOHNSON
Amazing Grace, How sweet the sound! Yeah Sista Jen, I just heard bells chiming! Smile! We are of one accord on this subject. My hope in posting this was not to cause discension, but to open minds to the possibilities, and bring about thought and peaceful dialogue. You are right on all accounts, and until our children know that they are represented in the most holiest of holies, will they be able to claim their heritage and know that they have mattered and been a contributing factor since the beginning of time, They need to know that they stood strong as Kings & Queens, leaders, Innovators, Inventors and so much more. If people decide to stay separated, that only shows that they are not open to excepting the truth and don’t really believe in equality. Oh man what a day it will be.
One thing sis, I don’t think that the NOI believe that the Bible is the White Man’s Bible, maybe a misunderinterpretation, as they study from it also, even though there is a sect of Islam that does believes that. They do believe as you stated that the white man wrote the bible to cause all of the things you state above to come about and suppress others, but good insight never the less on your part!

Monday, January 3rd 2011 at 9:11PM
anita moore
Irma, where is this bible study group to be found?
Tuesday, January 4th 2011 at 12:52PM
Steve Williams
Brother Okpara said much when he said ,"Truth is a luxury that they can't afford or they would support it."
In my quest many years ago, pertaining to the Bible,( because inquiring minds needed to know), some of which you're asking in this blog Sister Anita.
In order to recieve the answers to where did the Bible come from, who wrote it, and why it was written stems back to what we all have been saying all along.
ONE NEEDS TO KNOW THE HISTORY!
Know that Africans in Egypt predated Greece by thousand of years and that the great teachers had not sat around doing nothing for hundreds of years waiting for them to hit the scene. They didn't wait in a fog until the arrival of the Greeks before they started thinking, reflecting, and acting on the basis of their cognitions.
In these sacred cities, the priests, who were scribes, assembeled to teach initiates the fundamentals of medicine, law, politics, geometry, architecture, sculpture, mathematics, and astronomy.
To flat out put it plain as day, and as to keep it real... there is no Greek philosophy, only a stolen philosophy!
The Bible, as we know, has authorized versions in English, Latin and Greek.
The Douay Bible, the so-called original one ( that we're probably talking about here ), is considered the original one, an English version of the Bible translated from the Latin Vulgate edition for the use of Roman Catholics; the new testament was published at Reims in 1582, the old testament at Douai in 1609-1610.
( Douai, Douay)- a town in N. France
( Reims)- a city also in N.France
The Vulgate Bible is the popular edition. It is a Latin version prepared in the 4th century, (400 B.C.-through 301 B.C.). This was considered a Septuagint, ( meaning 70, in tradition, done by 72 translators in 70 days, a Greek translation of the old Testament).
Please note that Apocrypha means in Greek, hidden, obscure. Any writtings, anecdotes,etc. of doubtful authenticity or authorship. Fourteen books of the Septuagint, regarded by Protestants as not canonical: they are not found in Hebrew and are entirely rejected in Judaism, but eleven of them are fully accepted in the Roman Catholic canon.
So again Brothers and Sisters, the history can tell us where things originated, knowledge of these things are key, and power is inevitable, so that it can be attainable.
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 2:13AM
Min.Dr.LaDonna Blaylock D.D.
Yes,
we need to tell the truth about it.
It is a collection of writings, considered as a sacred book, so we best to believe where it came from.
Thugs stole it's pages from libraries and correlated it to fit the needs of people they could BENEFIT from with it.
Because of the WORDS from these stolen pages,gave them the power that they needed for generations to come.
This kind of tampering excluded and included those they wanted, but because of it's original power, it still obtains much truth and knowledge.
This they could not touch!

Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 2:58AM
Min.Dr.LaDonna Blaylock D.D.
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http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 3:58AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 4:09AM
DAVID JOHNSON
Are we talking about where the bible came from now? I had the impression from the start of this blog that It was not considered on topic.
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 8:02AM
Steve Williams
Irma, I' not at all nitpicking. I have lots of information if we are going to discuss the bible, Some Europeans did not just sit down one day and decide, hey let's write a bible to deceive all the people. I need to know if I should take the time to recap what I've found, which has already been posted on my own blogs (you know, those 10 hit or less type blogs), as well as on David's Great 6000+ Hitter, not all of which remains. But I've got all the links, just say the word.
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 2:24PM
Steve Williams
I've studied the bible for about 36 years, in Greek, Latin, Hebrew and English. I have copies not only of multiple English translations, including a facsimile edition of the 1560 Geneva bible but I've got the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint, the Greek New Testament, the Latin Vulgate, and I have bookmarks out the wahzoo from the last few months research.
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 2:37PM
Steve Williams
Irma, the first thing we need to unlearn is that the bible is history. Whether Jesus was a Jew can only be determined after we even know if Jesus was a real person. Along with Paul, Moses, Abraham and all the rest. The bible says all scripture is inspired, well who is to say what scripture is? Paul, Constantine or...
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 5:54PM
Steve Williams
And if Jesus ever wrote anything, I have yet to hear of it. Even the Christians would not make such a claim. I find this peculiar, don't you?
Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 6:03PM
Steve Williams
@ Steve,

Of course Jesus was a real person and besides the original blog topic/question from my understanding was:

If most bible scholars know that black people are in the bible, why would they hide the truth? Do you think that by teaching God’s children that blacks are in the bible would cause division or bring Christians together?



Wednesday, January 5th 2011 at 8:25PM
Jen Fad
yoU ARE WELCOME sTEVE...AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO THE BIBLE STUDY GROUP IF YOU LIKE...HOPE WE CAN GET cLARK AND RICH WE ALLL SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SHARE ON OUR BIBLE STUDY...BRAINSTORMING TO HELP aNITA. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Seve...me, I am putting all of this under the heading of the REVOLUTION...which means like you I am asking the same question on where will this study be found...as "I" do believe we are only brainstorming...

am I correct Anita? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@sTEVE THE WAY "i" UNderstand it is it was St. Paul who created the Christian movement away from Jewism...that he said to worship God one did not have to have their things cut off.Even to this day one male must do this to be a Jew...(smile)

and, I see all information as not right now as history.and, as you know on a personal level I don't even like to use teh word religion.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Thanks Mother Goddess, because you have helped me with something I have been thinking about every since brother steve brought up where the Bible study be."I" see this blog as an out of teh box (Revolutionary) Bible Study.lol (smile)

"I" know I am learning a lot about the Bible in bringing different opinions and questions that is almost unheard of. WE SHOULD PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK. LOOOOOOOOOOL. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
THANKS DAVID...DO THEY TALK ABOUT WOMEN AND BLACK PEOPLE/DARKSKINED PEOPLE...WE ARE LOOKING FOR THINGS LOST, STOLEN, REJECTED AND WHY? WE WANT TO DO IT OURSELVES FOR OUR SELVES...WE HAVE BEEN T-O-L-D ALL OF OUR LIVES BUT THIS IS JUST NOT ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.

FEW OF US ARE EVEN NOT WILLING TO EVEN MENTION THE BIBLE IS ONE OF THE MOST VIOLENT BOOKS ONE CAN READ...(SMILE)

WOMEN DID HAVE ALL OF THE MONEY AND POWER UNTIL SAINT THOMAS A QUANIS (PROBABLY MISSPELLED) PROVED TO THE CHURCH THAT THE FEMALES WERE BORN ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON AND TO THIS DAY WHITE EUROPEAN WOMEN HAVE BEEN NOT EQUAL TO MEN...THEY PROCCEEDED TO TAKE ALL OF THE CHURCHES OF THE NUNS THT HAD LOTS OF PROPERTY...LABELED THEM WITCHES BECAUSE THEY WERE THE MEDICAL PEOPLE AND OW THEY GOT THERI RISHES AND MADE THE mONKS THE HEALERS...WHAT THEY DID WITH HERBS AND ROOTS THEY DID NOT CALL VOODOO YOU SEE NO ONE HAD A PHARMACY BACK THEN AND BLACKS BECAME VOODOO AND THE WHITE FEMALES BECAME WITCHES AND THE REST IS HISTORY....THEY WAY THEY IN THE CHURCH WANTS IS LOOKED AT...

HAS IS WORKED...FO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE CHRISTIAN MONKS ARE DOING gOD'S WORK USING HERBS BUT bLACKS ARE WITH THE DIVEL FOR DOING THE SAME THING???? I AM SO GLAD WHEN I SAY I AM BLACK AND PROUD, I MEAN IT...MY PEOPLE ARE THE FORRUNNERS IN MEDCINE BUT WE WOULD NEVER SAY IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONVINCED US VOODOO IS THE DEVIL'S WORK...

WHO CAN MAKE MONEY IF PEOPLE STILL WENT INTO THE WOODS AND COLLECTED FREE MEDS...NOW WE MUST GO TO THE DRUG STORE AND BY IT ALL LOADED WITH CHEMICALS...

only in america and as long as they keep us saying we can't do anything...rapping is not the first and only thing stolen from us and trying to get us to stop someting we have been rapping since slavery...RAP IS BAD....WE ARE SUCH IDIOTS....MY ***** IS UP SO i WILL SHUT MY MOUTH i HAVE SAID TOO MUSH ALREADY BUT i JUST GOT MAD...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve did any of the studies have this "Christian Nation declaring Jesus to be a Jew??? If not then why not is where and way we want the Bible study...not just to learn better what we already know but to unlearn some of this baggage that keeps us from respecting each other by skin color and going to war in the name of a G-O-D of P-E-A-C-E...OR ...

even Buddha himself said, "ALL MY FOLLOWERS SOULDN'T ACCEPT MY TEACHERS OUT OF FAITH, BUT OUT OF CONSTANT INVESTIGATIONS"...AND "i" AGREE 1000% BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS TO DO OUR OWN THINKINGS AND REACHING OUR OWN CONCLUSTION.(smile)

@Steve, we change our thinkings / religious practices every day as we must if we are to not become extenct along with our society...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Stop nit picking and pay close attention. example, Mother Goddess did not say that we must go to one place at one time and that was the beginniing and the end of what is in ont in and what the Bible was about. She covered how the changes are on going in time and understanding and even added as teh Biblical scolars do she they why as in that social period made changes or no changes for teh good of theat time and social needs.

CHANGES AND THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES...MUCH LIKE IN 2011 WE ARE SEEKING WHY THIS NEED AND NOT AN ABSOLUTE FOR ALL TIMES AND ONE MIND SET.....THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT NOR IS IT ROUND. LOL (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve did any of the studies have this "Christian Nation declaring Jesus to be a Jew??? If not then why not is where and way we want the Bible study...not just to learn better what we already know but to unlearn some of this baggage that keeps us from respecting each other by skin color and going to war in the name of a G-O-D of P-E-A-C-E...OR ...

even Buddha himself said, "ALL MY FOLLOWERS SOULDN'T ACCEPT MY TEACHERS OUT OF FAITH, BUT OUT OF CONSTANT INVESTIGATIONS"...AND "i" AGREE 1000% BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS TO DO OUR OWN THINKINGS AND REACHING OUR OWN CONCLUSTION.(smile)

@Steve, we change our thinkings / religious practices every day as we must if we are to not become extenct along with our society...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
At when I listen to the religous scholars discussing the bible and the talk on some programs about the books that were even out of the Bible. And because when they talk about the tower of Bible it was in Iran...Paul I believe is from Afganistan...I know they say the first battle in teh bible was fought btween iraq and Iran...they have them on quite often if you like I will let you know when they are going to be own...they even had the make up of the land wher lot lived thsy sold salt and the pillars of salt may have come from this...

NOw here comes the biggie...has anyone ever heard these people identify as Black of by their ethnic, religious identity...I will only call them what they call themselves...but I do know they are not white...As I watch these shows on the lost books of the bible and why they were may taken out, I get the idea that there is going to be a Bible with the lose stories put back into them...as ususl thd majority books taken out were names for females....the women had the funds the men did not so we know how that goes.

@Steve when did people in the middle start calling themselves Black and why should dthey even want to do this any way...Steve the Hawiians are darker thanNt King cole and these people don't call themselves anything but pure Hawiians...the one not dark can not calim pure...all have their skin color hang up, I guess.

I always heard since I was a child that MOther Mary was ethopiennow that I will say here,,,but I would not go into a Black church around here and say God was Black...i don't have death wishes.loooooooooooooooool

so what is wrong with just calling them people of the middle east...those who are in offices will be lighter of skin that those out tending sheep ad goats. I think religion is more a disunifing thing with them that skincolor any way,
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve, as "I" lived in Hawaii for three years, I learned that they actually don't like Japanese eventhough they ae mixed with Japanese...but this has nothing to do with the Bible, or race or skin color it has to do with WWII...and if you notice when ever you go there you will not see any Japanese in tose resorts...step one lbock from the main strip on Ohah tourist spot's mainstreet and you will be in a slum...oh nad they the OLd don't speak Enaglish and still celebrate each year their King...oh nad yes it is an American state!!!!

and, Steve, we would be much better off if we begin to realize the we are our combined experiences over our whole like...notice how I say abuse of the Christian religion and say teh KKK are the home grown terrorist...notice how I can say chant and prayer...can you steve and really know what I mean by saying chant or only what you have heardf chanting is...

thus Steve, I see talking about race, religion and history as valid or which part of this have you been able to say does not exist as a F-A-C-T????? TIS IS WHY i NEVER DWELL ON EMOTIONAL OUT BURST...OH AND I WOULD NEVER HAVE ANYONE CALL ME DEMEANING NAMES OR LABELS AND SAY THINK YOU TEACH ME SOME MORE...I KNOW WHO I AM AND TIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT...

JUST AS I COME ON ANITA'S BLOGS I COME ON YOUR BLOGS AND NOT TO BE EMOTIONAL ONLY TO BE WHO I AM AS I AM NOT LOOKING FOR AN IDENTITY OR SOMEONE TO PLACE A VALUE ONME NOR TOLIMIT MY ABLITY TO SPEAK ON RELIGION, RACE AND HISTORY BECAUSE THEY ALL EXIST AT LEAST FO RME...

AND MAY I REPEAT WHEN THE WORLD STARTEC TO ADMIT TAHT CIVILIZATION BEGAN ALONG THE NILE THEY TOOK EGYPT OUT OF AFRICA EVENTHOUGH THE NILE RIVER IN NOT LIMITED TO THE BOUNDERY OF EGYPT...AND I WILL REPEAT AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE...MY HISTORY IS RELATED TO AFRICA NOT EGYPT AND THIS MAKES A DIFFERENT THE SAME WAY AS MY KNOWING THAT MY CULTURE DID NOT BEGININ AMERICA NOR DID MY PEOPLE NOT COME FROM CITY STATES OR YOU CAN GO YOUR SELF AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THE JUNGLES THAT THEY SAY WE COME FROM ON HORSE BACK EVEN IN 2011...

EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!! BECAUSE NO ONE HAS TO BUY OR SEND THEMSELVES TO THEPOOR HOUSE TO LEARN ABOUT MY RELIGIOUS PRACTICE...WE HAVE IT ON TEH WWW. AND YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE IF ONE GETS OVER THEIR FEARS AND TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS AS THEIR OWN...NOW TIS IS THE LAST AND I WILL HOPE YOU TRY TO NOT REINVENT ME STEVE BUT TAKE ME AS YOU KNOW I AM A PERSON WO SEE RIGHT AND WRONG AS A BLAANCE TO LEARN FRO EACH OTHER NOT TRY TO DUMB EACH OTHER DOWN...

YES STEVE THIS IS PERSONAL AND I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU WHITE, MALE OR ANY TOHER THING MEANT TO DEMEAN A FELLOW HUMAN BEING. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve, what about the theme of this blog saying about Blacks IN THE B-I-B-L-E IS NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD...NOT BLACKS IN EGYPTIAN, GREEK, MUSLIM OR BUDDHIST OR JEWISH BIBLE BUT THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE?!?

PLEASE LET 2011 HAVE US TALKING ABOUT THE THEME OF THE ANITA'S BLOG.... NOW THAT IS ALL "I" WILL SAY AGAIN OFF TOPIC. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
OR, PROPER EDUCATION IS PRIMARY...

SKIN COLOR IS SECONDARY...SO WE MUST TRY TO GET OVER OUR EUROPEAN-CENTERED AND ABUSE OF THE HOLY BIBLE EDUCATIONS SO WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS PEACE ON EARTH, GOOD WILL TOWARDS MANKIND...I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE GODDESS AND MY SISTA AND MOST OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY LEADERS ARE TRYING FOR IN TIS REVOLUTION...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Anita, pleae, please, please let this be only the begining of coverage of this subject...I will be back as "I" must first go back and reread and reread this....

I only wanted to thank you for following your love and respect for the mission statement of this social newwork and sharing this with us. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve, "I" do believe that the blog is more about the changes in the Bible not when it was written...I watch the Biblical scholars discussing the Bible and by way of the social oreer at the time according to carban datings of the things and teh buildings, ect. during the time mentioned in teh Bible I believe Anita is refering to, and as far as time of the written Bibles amnkind seem to have existed long before mankind even thought of worshiping a single God?!... so this leads me to actually not even bring in time as there was not any actual TIME AS WE KNOW IT BACK THEN...THERE WAS THE SUN / MOON / LOVE ECT. GOD(S) OR MOTHER NATURE BACK THEN...which makes this blog null and void, maybe????(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
MOTHER GODDESS HAS JUST TODAY GIVEN US A LECTURE ON TAKING A BEAUTIFUL POST OF INFORMATION EVERY PLACE BUT A PLACE TO LEARN. AND, IRONIIALY IT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF ANITA'S BLOGS TAHT MOTHER FODDESS WAS SPEAKING THOSE WORDS OF WISDOM ON. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve I went to your links and all there was Bibles to buy...what up? (smie)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@sTEVE, lets go to what Anita her ownself said and is always saying...SHE IS TALKING ABOUT BLACKS IN TEH BIBLE...THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE...SHE IS TALKING ABOUT AS SHE ALWAYS DOES AFRICAN-AMERICAN-CENTERED HISTORY...AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS STEVE IS TO TRY AND GET YOU AWAY FROM THE EUROPEAN-CENTERED BLACK HISTORY AS IN EXISTANCE...
do you follow me this far Steve and if you do this is not off topic because it is directly related to Blacks actually believing they are not in the Bible Steve...or steve when is the last time you attended any Christian church in tis Christian nation and seen a picture of a Black or middle-eastern skin color and not of european skin color...

and as tis blog is seeking...IF NOT THEN WHY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)


AND, IF i AM WRONG i EXPECT aNITA TO ENFORCE WHAT IT IS TAHT IS MISSING FROM WHAT I AM ASSUMIONG SHE MEANS ABOUT WANTING US TO LEARN OR UNLEARN. ABOUT WHAT STARTED OUT AS MALES AND ENDED UP WITH US EXPANDING IT TO INCLUDE THE FEMALE...I DON;T REMEMBER FEMALES BEING MENTIOND BY SKIN COLOR BUT AS MAMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND ANITA DID NOT ASY THIS WAS OFF TOPIC BUT AN ADDITION TO SEEKING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BIBLE BEING MANIPULATEDD TO BE EXCLUSIONARY.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve, correction. "I" asked if these people(s) call themselves" Black"? I ask because the Native-americans call themselves "FAMILY" but because the word tribe just as the word BLACK IS BETTER KNOWN BECAUSE IT IS MEANT TO BE DEMEANING...

THE SAME GOES WITH A GROUP OWNING THE WORD OR NOT...example, before the Civil Rights movement and James Brown's record BLACK AND PROUD...BOTH CALLING US bLACK WAS AS OFFINSIVE AS CALLING US *****...BUT WE TOOK OWNERSHIP OB BOTH OF THESE WORDS...

AND AS I KEEP SAYING THOSE THAT BE SAYS IT IS FINE FOR US TO SAY BLACK BUT NOT ***** THEREFORE WE MUST FOLLOW THIER ORDERS AN SAY THE "N WORD"...WE IGNORE OUR PRESIDENT SAYING DURING THE PRESIENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT TEH WORD ***** IS A PART OF OUR BIA HISTORY...

"I" REFUSE TO ALLOW ANY AND ALL TINGS THAT WE HAVE MANAGED TO OVER COME BECAUSE WE ARE WARRIORS AND NOT VICTIMS TO BE TAKEN FROM MYIDENTITYAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN...

WHICH LEADS ME TO YOUR STUDY WITH CHRISTINE THAT SUTDY IS TO CAUSE DIVISION AND ANITA IS TRYING FOR UNITY..pLUS IT IS NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN -CENTEREDBUT EGYPTIAN AND GREEK-CENTERED , ANITA'S IS ABOUT OUR BEING ABLE TO OVER COME BY WAY OF LEARNING FROM OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS NOT CALLING PEOPLE NASTY, DEMEANING LABELS!!!..."I" WAS NOT GOING TO SAY THIS BUT I DON'T FEAR GOING TO HELL FOR SPEAKING THE GOD'S TRUTH.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@All...in our state our incoming state attorney general is a female of teh same skin complection as our president...and she is bad, bad, bad as she has managed to not only cut downon gang activity but the illegal sales and legal sels of drugs...she had created a program that has gone nation wide on hiring first offended drug conviction's peoples...and I have said all of tis to say...because she defines her own self as "MIXED RACE" NOT BLACK OR WHITE OR ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP/ RACE...I HOPE THAT THOSE OVER ON FOX CABLE NEWS DON'T TRY HER BY USING HER TAKING OWNERSHIP OF WHO SHE IS AS A TALKING POINT TO REINVENT HER...AS OUR STATE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL SHE CAN HAVE THAT NETWORK SHUT DOWNIN OUR STATE UNTIL ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS ON THSI NETWORK REACHES OUR SUPREME COURTS...(SMILE)

# NOT SKIN COLOR / RACISM/ PREJUDICE, BUT THE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY BEING ENFORCED!!!!!!...."YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" LOL (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
hoW DO WE GET STARTED? WITH ONE SUBJECT, TIME, PERSON. i WOULD LOVE TO RESEARCH A FEMALE IN ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUR OF TH EBIBLE...i AM GOING TO CHECK MY TV GUIDE WHEN THAT PROGRAM BOOKS LOST FROM THE BIBLE IS ON IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO WATCH TO GET A BETTER IDEA WHAT i AM TALKING ABOUT...i TRY NOT TO MISS THEM BECAUSE THEY DO THE OBJECTIVELY AND GO BACK TO HOW THE TIME WAS USING THE THINGS FOUND THERE....LAST WEEK THEY DID SODOM AND GOMORAH. tHEY ALSO DID DTHTHEY DEMONISTRATED SCIENTIFICALLY THE PLEGS THE MADE THE KING LET mOSES AND HIS PEOPLE GO...IF YOULIKE i WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WILL BE ON AGAIN. iF WE LIKE THEM WE CAN TAPE THEM AND STUDY THEN.

i HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO STUDY THE BIBLE...NO NOT BE TOLD WHAT IS IN IT i WANT TI KNOW IT SO i CAN HAVE IT MAKE SENSE TO ME AND WHTIOUT FREA OF HELL OR ANYTHING ELSE. i ONLY WANT TO HAVE IT MAKES ENOUGH SENSE TO ME THAT I CANUNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON...NOT A PLACE TO GO TO SOLVE PROBLEMS OR TO PAT MY SELF ON THE BACK OR FEAR'...i JUST WANT IS TO MAKE SENSE...rIGHT NOW PERSONALLY i SEE THE bIBLE AS A VERY VIOLANT AND A SELIFSH TWORDS THE FEMALES.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...oh and since my pure ***** is up...a lot of queations are just to stuck on stupid to ask or answer. example,

Of all of the countless babies born on teh same island as our president (as my oldest child was and the child I miscarried is buried there)is our president the onlyone being said is not an American citizen because of the way their birth is recorded...example, one of my brothers could not go into the military because his birth cirtific in Maryland where he was born got burned down before it could get recored permenantly...DO YOU THINK THAT ALL OF TEH PEOPLE NOW SERVING IN TEH MILITARY CAN BE CALLED LEGAL...LETS SEE WIKILEAKS SAYING OUR COUNTRY HAVE SENT ILLEGALS INTO WAR TO KILL MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????? THINK, THINK, THINK, THINK...(SMILE)

HELL MY CHILD IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN...LOL....
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...oops Steve when I said my NDB practice you can find about...I misspoke...we do not tell people what to think, believe, be, ect.You and only you can decide what it is you want out of life and what you want to offer you and your environment.(smile)

@Clark if we only knew that learning and wisdom are not the same thing. lol (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve to answer your question about the Hawaiians not calling themselves where did you get that from...actually as I said before the Hawaiians are mostly mixed with Japanese...the Hawaiinas are a people that will tell you everyone of their million names (no I am talking about one person telling you this)and what ethnic group these names come from? it is nonhawaiians who says these tings about them or go on oly what theyhave heard...

one moe thing I can say about the people in this america state...they have a smile for everyone they see it is like saying hello and I recognize you as someone worthy or a smile of recognition...and they stop for anyone just waiting in a cross walk...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Steve, have you ever noticed I always say NDBuddhism and never identify my slef as a Buddhist...when I was a practicing catholic, I never called myself a christian but Catholic...it is no different than a baptist not calling themselves a Methodicist...it is like making sure taht I am not called something I am not beecause there are so many different Buddhist and Christians, ect...I have said all of that to say this...look at your comment above this one...and, tis maybe how you got so off tracked in teh first place...

You were ending up talking about you own subject and not Anita's and seh never blamed it on your being a dumb white man...she did what respect for a fellow human being and what dialogue is about...she used it to build on and now we can all see just haow this subjuct got off topic with you disallowing her taling about the Holey Bible and not about race nor skin color as you did...you even went into another peoples historya dn religion which still did not go off into insults but did what dialogue is meant to do...step into the other person's shoes...now we may get back to the subject at hand...THE THINGS LEFT IN AND LEFT OUR OF THE H-O-L-E-Y BIBLE AS RELATED TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS...(SMILE)...

AND MY BROTHER STEVE MY CALLING YOU MY BROTHER IS NOT SALANG IT IS IN A WAY CALLING YOU BLACK AS MY FAMILY IS BLACK. NOT SKIN COLOR STEVE BUT CULTURE IS WHAT IS TRYING TO GET TAUGHT..LOL (SMILE)

"IN THIS REVOLUTION"...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Siebra, you are so correct...but it does give us another chance to learn.example,

If he truth be know about hos correct those who say ethnic study causes us to become angry...it does, because the powers taht be have us turning against the Black church because they siad we should not listen to rev. J.W. and yet they never called rev. J. Lowery anti-semetic because he has written about, spoke about how if the Jews had never financed those slave ships we would have never been brought from africa to south America...and he gave teh pray when our prresident was sworn in...

oh, yes we were not brought straight to North America...we had to go to places to get some of teh fight/ resistance out of us and a little Christianity put into its place before we could be trusted to work for free on those American plantations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH YES THIS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH WHAT IS IN AND NOT IN THE BIBLE................(NUP)

HONOR THY MOTHER AND FATHER (as long as one of them is not a Black single Mother)...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...oops, the CARIBBEAN...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Thanks Anita ans you also Jen, ans I will add myself to this. We have made taht first major and forbidden step...we are seeking answers...WHO, WHAT, WHERE AND WHEN. LOL(SMILE)

nOW TAHT IS U-N-I-T-Y "I" CAN BELIEVE IN.(SMILE)

GREAT, GREAT, GREAT (revolutionary)POST, ANITA.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Get out of our way Satan(and you know who you are)...there is no hiding place for you here. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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