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I'm asking a basic question to ascertain the validity of the word RACE?? This is not intended to be divisive however too challenge words and traditions that were passed done to us historically!!!!!
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Tuesday, May 10th 2011 at 11:22AM
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She looks 100% Black to me...but since her eyes look Asian she could be 50/50...
Tuesday, May 10th 2011 at 12:59PM
Siebra Muhammad
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This reminds me of a question someone asked me about the difference between RACE and NATIONALITY.
AfroAmerican/Black is an NATIONALLY...like Hispanic and AsianAmerican. AfroAmericans/Blacks regardless of how we look or what color we are are bound together by a culture, language, certain music, certain foods that separate us from other Americans and even other Black people around the world.
Now it doesn't matter how much Black ancestry you have or how light or white you are, as long as you have ANY Black ancestry and are born in America then you are an AfroAmerican/Black. Period. And remember, it was Brother Malcolm who first coined the term "AfroAmerican."
Personally, I prefer the term "AfroAmerican" and "Black" in opposition to using the word "Negro."
As far as I'm concerned, Negro is a RACE and if you don't meet certain standards and qualifications concerning your physical features such as getting high, robbing, stealing, having baby after baby for man after man (or woman after woman) YOU AREN'T NEGRO. You may have some Negro in you....just like I have some Cherokee Indian in me on my grandmother's side...but you still ain't Negro.
Tuesday, May 10th 2011 at 1:30PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Is it not true that people - The Populace of The World - eminate, evolve, traverse, relocate from a central (one point - hemisphere) location on the planet? Did they not intermarry within the family of the beginning offspring - Adam/Eve?
Should there be any wonder why we all appear to have received different (but same) features from our forebearers? Do your children look exactly like you - or do they have certain facets of your features? What about the differences in sibling of small and/or large families - do they look the same or do they look like several different members of your family, immediate or otherwise, i.e., cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents - I've been told many times that I look like my Grandfather...I think the family has been blessed with all of the rewards of those who came before us!
Peace and Love,
Greg.
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Thursday, May 26th 2011 at 10:57AM
Gregory V. Boulware, Esq.
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I don't know if she is black, west indian, native american indian, latino, but I can see she is a pretty young lady Jake. You've got a good eye.
Thursday, May 26th 2011 at 6:42PM
Steve Williams
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Thank You again Professor Boulware
You say it SO much better than I can.
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 8:42AM
powell robert
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Hello to All,
The question is race versus nationality, am I right. So, what is the definition of race and what is the definition of nationality.
The definition of race is a group of people that shares more common traits with each other than another group of people having the same traits.
For instance, Japanese people have almond shape eyes and this trait is shared more among themselves then with a different group of people. For example, Nigerians do not have almond eyes. Therefore, Nigerian people and Chinese people are two different races of people. Am I making any sense?
Nationality is where you presently reside. For example, the nationality of a Chinese residing in White America and having citizenship his or her nationality would be American.
Nationality is the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization.
Consequentially, just looking at this woman to determine her race when in doubt is ignorant. You must go further than just relying on her looks. Am I making any sense?
In other words, race and nationality are two different animals! They are not one in the same.
What say you?
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 11:08AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, I think you contradict yourself with the statement "You must go further than just relying on her looks".
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 4:15PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You said this, "Harry, I think you contradict yourself with the statement "You must go further than just relying on her looks."
How could I have contradicted myself when there is no explanation from you as to how I contradicted myself? Am I making any sense with you?
Stop being an unnecessary problem!
All that you said was that I contradicted myself. Well, an idiot can tell a wise man he contradicted himself if the idiot does not have to explain himself, am I right.
What say you?
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 8:36PM
Harry Watley
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Hello to All,
Siebra said this, " AfroAmerican/Black is an NATIONALLY...like Hispanic and AsianAmerican."
Her rationale that Black Americans is a nationality is not true since Black Americans does not have a country or a nation to point to that is of Black Americans. Consequentially, Black Americans are not a nationality; but instead, Black Americans are a distinct race of people as Chinese Americans are subjugated in White America.
Then Siebra said this, " AfroAmericans/Blacks regardless of how we look or what color we are we are bound together by a culture, language, certain music, certain foods that separate us from other Americans and even other Black people around the world."
Now, what she says here is absolutely true and these criteria is what distinguish Black Americans a group of people that is different from another race of people here in White America.
In addition, had Siebra mentioned plantation slavery along with culture and language she would have hit the nail square on the head since no other people in White America and the world are descendents of plantation slaves.
Am I right or am I wrong?
Tell me what you think.
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 8:53PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry,
I'm surprised I need to spell it out for you when it's contained in your very same comment. But here it is:
"The definition of race is a group of people that shares more common traits with each other than another group of people having the same traits."
Monday, May 30th 2011 at 9:40PM
Steve Williams
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Are you having a bad day Harry? If you'd rather not talk to me I understand.
Tuesday, May 31st 2011 at 1:39AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
On the contrary, I am not having a bad day. You are just being extremely stupid and this is why.
When I asked you to explain why you would say I contradicted myself you offered this, "The definition of race is a group of people that shares more common traits with each other than another group of people having the same traits."
Well, these 26 words within the quotation marks are all my words. You offered no words of your own. So, how stupid could you be to claim I contradicted myself without offering words of your own explaining your claim?
For a White person that has not suffered the tragedy of plantation slavery you are ignorant and it is frustrating.
Without your explanation I would be arguing with myself and I don't argue with myself. I need you to explain your claim of contradicting myself.
I am not carrying on this stupid dialogue with you any longer unless you offer something from your own mind why you say I contradicted myself.
Tuesday, May 31st 2011 at 7:56AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jake,
The people of the Bible (Sarah, Rebecca, Esau and Isaac) that you are referring to their descendents are Moses, King David and Jesus all the way to the people that reside in the state of Israel today.
What you are doing is stealing their identity and saying you are them. You are being irrational and a full to the world at large.
The people in the state of Israel have all the records left by Isaac. You and the so-called Black Hebrew Israelites don't have any records connecting you to these people. You and the so-called Black Hebrew Israelites are impostures.
The Jewish people in the state of Israel have government buildings and hotels named after their ancestors such as Moses and King David.
Your so-called Black Hebrew Israelites organization has no country and has no state buildings, am I right.
All you are Jake is a thief stealing the identity of another people because you hate your race. You need psychiatric help.
You are no different from Jamal and Siebra. Jamal and Siebra believes that they are Arabian people. Black Americans are divinely and mentally screwed up.
You all want to belong so badly that you mentally transform your selves into being other people.
What say you?
Tuesday, May 31st 2011 at 8:14AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Saint,
Would you agree that a prophet knows his own people? For incidents do you not think that Moses knew who the children of Israel are? Likewise, I know my own people as well. I am Black America's first genuine prophet.
Now, let's move to the next line. Prophets do not send people to do research because what the prophets say is so common and self-evident that researching is not necessary
For example, I know who Black Americans are and I know when and how Black Americans came into existence.
The correct way of wanting to know who Black Americans are is to start from who they are now as you see them and work your way back in time to see where they came from and when they came into existence.
No one can trace Black Americans existence to any country or place in this world before the beginning of plantation slavery in this country by White Americans.
So, when a so-called common Negro that thinks somehow he is a Black Hebrew Israelite telling me that Black America's ancestors were chased into west Africa in 70 A.D. by the Romans I know that individual Negro is out of the mind.
What say you?
Tuesday, May 31st 2011 at 5:24PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry,
Let's forget about the issue of contradiction then. I see in this picture a young woman with long black hair, brown eyes, medium broad nose, full lips, high cheekbones, full breasts (unfortunately we can't see her nipples and areolas), full hips and a soft little tummy, and light brown skin. What other traits do you need to know to determine her race?
Tuesday, May 31st 2011 at 7:33PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You asked what other traits I need to know to determine her race. I would want to know if she is a descendent of slaves directly or indirectly since plantation slavery is first on the list determining the race of Black Americans.
One thing that all other races did not undergo was plantation slavery in this country beginning 500 years ago, am I right.
What say you?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 3:16AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry,
The question asked was not only if she is Black American but what her race is. So if she is a descendant of slaves that may tell you something, but stick to the larger question. What are the traits IN GENERAL needed to determine her race?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 3:34AM
Steve Williams
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What I mean Harry, is if she IS NOT a descendant of slaves, therefore NOT Black American, then what other traits would you use to determine her race?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 3:44AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Saint,
I believe that in essence what you are asking me to do is to rapidly reach the masses and that you think the highways and byways would accomplish this, am I right. In other words, time is your argument with me, am I right.
Saint, every journey begins with a single step. I have and taken that single step approximately 3 years ago when immediately after I was anointed. Since then I have reached you out of 41 million Black Americans still to be reached. Time is on my side.
BIA is not the only place I promotes and advocates that Black America's only permanent solution is that we must desire to become a sovereign people on a fertile portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. God is with us, Black Americans. Everything that I say is going to happen.
I go to the churches in my locale. At the YMCA I tackle the Muslims and Christians each day with something new to think about. Today they asked me why I do not begin to write my own Bible. Even though I have explained to them that developing our religious book rests on the shoulders of me and my true companions or converts since that is how the Bible and the Quran were developed.
Did not Jesus recruit 12 disciples? Did not Moses recruit his brother and others? Did not Mohammed recruit his companions?
So, where a prophet starts is where the biggest impact must be made before moving up and out to the general masses of his people.
In fact, you all on BIA have come a far way. I know so because many of you all still delete what I say or avoid contact with me altogether because of the stunning truth that I say about Black Americans. Am I making any sense to you?
The so-called Black Hebrew Israelites who are a bunch of ignorant Negroes predicate their rhetoric on the Scriptures and experiences of the Jewish people since it is the Bible they come from, am I right. We know the Bible belongs to the Jewish and European gentiles since they are the people written about in the Bible and not Black Americans. We know that the Quran belongs to the Arabian people because they other people written about in the Quran and not Black Americans. Am I making any sense with you?
I am telling Black Americans that they must have their own. Since Black Americans are descendents of plantation slaves naturally we don't have a clue as to what sovereignty is. Sovereignty begins with the desire of having your own of everything.
That means Black Americans must have their own prophet and not the prophets of the Jewish people. The Jewish people that reside in the state of Israel today are the descendents of the prophets written about in the Bible. The Black Hebrew Israelites are identity thieves when they claim the Jewish prophets as their ancestors. These common dumb Negroes Black Hebrew Israelites are out of their minds.
Black Americans must have and develop our own religious book of guidance specifically for our future descendents to be guided by and to know how God helped us out White America's subjugation and suppression. Am I making any sense with you?
Right now, the so-called common dumb Negro Black Hebrew Israelites are using the Scriptures of the Jewish people to guide themselves. The Scriptures of the Jewish people could never guide these dumb Negroes. Likewise, the Scriptures of the Quran cannot guide the dumb Negro Muslims either because Black Americans are not Jewish or Arabian people.
Scriptures are inspired by God for a specific people whom God has come to help.
What say you?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 3:57AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve,
I said that if her traits is confusing or you are in doubt then plantation slavery would decide the issue since Black Americans are the only people in this country and the world that experienced plantation slavery. Black Americans experienced plantation slavery.
Chinese, Japanese, Nigerians, Ethiopians, Germans, Italians, Mexicans Americans and others did not undergo plantation slavery, period.
What say you?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 4:07AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Harry,
It would decide the issue whether she is Black American, but if not Black American it would not decide the issue of WHAT RACE IS SHE?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 4:41AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You said this, " but if not Black American it would not decide the issue of WHAT RACE IS SHE?"
Then if she is not a Black American what relevancy it would be to me determining her race? What relevance is it to me determining the race of Chinese, Japanese or Caucasian people when I have my own race to be concerned with?
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 5:07AM
Harry Watley
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Oh sorry, I thought we were addressing Jake's question.
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 6:19AM
Steve Williams
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@ Jake, they sure as hell will...just like the NOI (smile)
Wednesday, June 1st 2011 at 10:08AM
Siebra Muhammad
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