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Saturday, June 23rd 2012 at 6:29PM
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Hold that thought while I get a slice of bean pie for a minute...ready?

Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect.

No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Quran describes Jesus' birth as follows:

"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [Noble Quran 3:42-47]

Okay, Bible come first then Quran come later.

That's it.

Saturday, June 23rd 2012 at 7:37PM
Siebra Muhammad

Now as far as whether Islam came before Christianity or not...Islam came first. The 9th Degree in our Student Enrollment states in it's answer, “The Lost Found Nation of Islam has no said birth record, it has no beginning nor an ending, it’s older than the Sun, Moon and Stars”.

This statement alone tells us that Islam didn’t originate in the Koran, Prophet Muhammad or Arabic Culture. Islam (PEACE) is beyond all of this, therefore, Islam came before Christianity.
Saturday, June 23rd 2012 at 7:42PM
Siebra Muhammad

too vague a question -----

there is NO original BIBLE, ask any jew or muslim

Judaism gave us AtTaurat, AzZaboor

AlIslaam gave us AlQur'aan

kingJames gave us the bible.....again ask any jew

koran, or quran or ALQur'aan is the word of the Creator of Adaam(as)

again, "too vague a question" -----

EDIT the TITLE to:

" which is from the Creator of Adaam(as) the bible or the Koran? "

and THEN an Intelligent person can comment, and not Divide the Family of Adaam(as)...

in America we have a usage of bible --- to develop slaverAmericana 1492-1864

all that was done to natives, and africans was in the name of the bible

SO EDIT THE TITLE for the INTELLIGENT, PATIENT BIA commentators

i make it a practice to not comment on commentators to Your Subject Blog out of respect

BUT

YOUR first commentator DOES not REPRESENT any of the 2 Billion Muslims in the World that Believe AlIslaam, AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)!

siebra response represents the the slaverAMericana 1492-1864 paganChristian kingJames Bible understanding, it does not represent the Believers of AlQur'aan

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 9:59AM
powell robert

Im trying to make this real easy the Bible completed by 325. Koran completed by 632.if this is true then the bible was first ,can anyone share some facts out side of there religion because religion, no mater whos it is will always want to be right ,,,so lets look at this from all sides and see if we can get some good results
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 1:16PM
DAVID JOHNSON

The Bible, If you read it, you will notice that it starts with the creation of heaven and earth we all know that is the beginning of time ,,or is it
?
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 1:19PM
DAVID JOHNSON

The bible:
"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures"

The Qur'an:
"but they killed him [Christ] not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not"

How would the Quran know this?? The bible must have been written first!
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 1:24PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Judaism is the African way of life. Judaism was the religion developed in Africa by African people. It was adopted and adapted in a similar fashion to the Yoruba Orisha worship (Vodoun, Santeria, Lacumi, c*ndomble, etc) and is still being co-opted and altered by non-Africans today. To speak of an African influence on Judaism is like speaking of an African influence on Orisha Worship. It is not an African influence. It is still African and represents an African way of life.

Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text to prove his research. He was still challenged by "Europe" and his findings were labeled "untrue" by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal "King James" Version of the Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world. I thought that the following excerpts were extremely interesting. A website visitor suggested that I read the Darkwah's book. Thanks to the website reader who suggested that I limit my research to Sub-Saharan Africa. You’ve started a greater quest to delve deeper into Europe's concealment of our history and to shed more light on how the global world exists in its current state.

The word Israel itself is an Akan word (Ghana). Darkwah points to the story of Jacob in Genesis 32:24-29, where the angel renames Jacob calling him Asrae or the European version, Israel. Asrae, Darkwah declares, is not the name of a nation, but instead means "the first one who visited
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 1:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Hello to all,

Please explain to me how Jesus could have died for the sins of all mankind and we know that mankind consist of Chinese, Japanese and Arabian people but Jesus was a Jew and not a Chinese, Japanese or Arabian.

Prophets can only die for the sake of their own people, dummies. Jesus was not raised up out of mankind, stupid people. Jesus came out of the loins of the house of Israel because he was a Jew, idiots. So, the only people that Jesus can died for are Jewish Caucasian people and you dumb Black *****S are not Jewish Caucasian people.

If Mohammed had to die he would have died only for the Arabian people since he himself was an Arab man. You all as stupid and you think stupidly.

You all need to make sense out of the things you say because what you say is what you are mind believe and that is the direction your stupid feet will walk in, am I right

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 1:51PM
Harry Watley

David,

My question to you is what race are you? Where did your race come from? And how did you race come into existence?

You need to know the answers to these questions before you can tell me anything about other people. We Black ***** are some incredibly stupid people!

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 2:11PM
Harry Watley

stick to the topic harry you are as much a prophet as i am the president of the united states
its just not true !
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 2:36PM
DAVID JOHNSON

IRMA LETS SAY FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME , OR MAN KIND, SO THERE WONT BE ANY MISTAKES ,,

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 2:39PM
DAVID JOHNSON

FEEDBACK FROM ,,,FACEBOOK

Short answer: it's impossible to know. We don't have the ability to travel back in time and see.

Longer answer: it doesn't really matter. Early Christian communities transmitted the story of Christ orally for many many years, even after it was officially written down in the Gospels, simply because of the immense cost of books during that time. However, Christian communities were common throughout the Middle East and Mediterranean by the time of Muhammad. And Muhammad, being a tradesman who traveled the trade routes often, would have certainly heard about, if not spent time among Christian communities. So whether an individual community had the Gospels written down or not (and given the expense of books at the time, it's not a foregone conclusion) the story was preserved.

You may indeed be right in the long run, but what I'm trying to say is that written texts in those days were exceptionally rare and not very portable. Even if the Bible as we know it today, had been collected into one edition in the 7th century (and we know it wasn't, many of the individual books were around, but not collected into the Bible we know today) it would have been extremely unlikely that the average Christian would have seen it, much less read it.

If it helps, it took a couple of centuries for the Quran to be collected into its modern form too.

Ultimately though, being first does not make something more true. But that also doesn't really matter when it comes to religion. Faith, at least in theory, doesn't need empirical proof or for a belief to be true in the sort of archaeological way your question implies.
Source(s):
History classes.
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 2:41PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Robert, I will not waste any time dealing with your Pinky and The Brain philosophy since it isn't doing nothing to benefit us. It is easy for you to resort to name calling to give credit to YOUR stupidity and ass backwards claims...than for you to Goggle and Twitter the truth I have presented to you and research it for your own self.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the Quran verifies the truths of the Bible. So if the Quran verify the truths of the Bible, that means the Bible came first!

Let's look at the following verses from the Qu'ran and see which book came first:

"He has revealed to thee the Book, with truth, verifying that which was before it, and He revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Discrimination (Furqan). Those who disbelieved in the messages of Allah, for them is a severe chastisement." (Holy Quran Chapter 3 verse 3)

The Holy Quran ENCASES the previous scriptures. When the Quran is recited to those who were given knowledge from the previous scriptures, they fall down on their faces, prostrating.

"Believe in it or do not believe. Indeed, those who were given knowledge before it - when it is recited to them, they fall upon their faces in prostration" (Holy Quran Ch. 17 verse 107)

The Quran was sent down in order to proclaim for the Jews and the Christian many things they have concealed in the scriptures, and to overlook plenty more. It settles for them most of the matters, which they are still disputing. It points out for them what they disagree. Ironically, they were the first ones who rejected it, despite clear proofs given to them. This is due to jealousy on their part. God guides those who believe to the truth, which is disputed by all others, in accordance with His will.

"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book..."(Holy Quran Ch. 5 verse 15)

Those who have rejected its proof when it came to them have in fact rejected a Mighty Book. No falsehood could enter it, in the past or in the future; a revelation from the Most Wise, worthy of all Praise. It contains what was said to the previous messengers.

"A Revelation from (Allah), Most Gracious, Most Merciful;-A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand." (Holy Quran Ch. 41 verses 42-43)

God sent the Quran with the TRUTH, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. We shall judge in accordance with God's revelations, and never follow the disbelievers wishes if they differ from the Quranic truth. For each community, God has decreed laws and different rites. If God willed, He could have made us a single community. But God's plan was to test us in the revelations He has given each of our communities. And on the last day, God will inform us of the matters in which we dispute.

"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. (Holy Quran Ch. 5 verse 48)

The Quran is intended to EVERY community. And the prophet Mohammed was sent as a universal Warner. God revealed the best statements in it; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways Heaven and Hell. The hearts of those who reverence God soften up for the Quran when they listen to it. God bestows his guidance upon whom He pleases. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not." (Holy Quran Ch. 34 verse 28)

Why don't we ponder on some more verses:

"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book FULLY DETAILED? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." [Holy Quran Ch. 6 verses 114-115]

"The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide EXPLANATIONS FOR EVERYTHING, and guidance, and mercy and good news for the submitters." (Holy Quran Ch. 16 verse 89)

"..We did not leave anything out of this book.." (Holy Quran Ch. 6 verse 38)

"In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the DETAILS of EVERYTHING, and is a beacon and mercy for those who BELIEVE." (Holy Quran Ch. 12 verse 111)

"This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD.It confirms all previous messages, and provides a FULLY DETAILED scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe." [Holy Quran Ch. 10 verse 37]

"This is the straight path to your Lord. We have DETAILED the revelations for people who TAKE HEED." (Holy Quran Ch. 6 verse 126)

"We have given them a scripture that is FULLY DETAILED, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe." (Holy Quran Ch. 7 verse 52)

"Say, 'Whose testimony is the greatest?' Say, 'God's. He is the witness between me and you that THIS Quran has been inspired to me, to preach to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God.' Say, 'I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry.'"(Holy Quran Ch. 6 verse 19)

The FACTS have been provided, if what I am sharing here is TRULY UNDERSTOOD than there would be ABSOLUTELY NO reason for Robert and/or his cheerleaders to pick a fight that they have not been properly trained for!
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 3:09PM
Siebra Muhammad

again, "too vague a question" ----- "too vague a Subject"

but i will COMMEND you mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR --- this Subject 6/24/2012

---is a departure from your previous; aggressive, defiling intrusions into the Belief and Faith of the Believers of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(as) and your violations toward the Most Respected Man ever known to Mankind, Mohamed(saw)

i also COMMEND you mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR; normally you block or delete ME, one of the few BIA commentators that Believes AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) who is an english speaker and an arabic speaker----thank you for not blocking or deleting my comments, sofar..

NOW

mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR; you write or have researched well, a point of view that has been used before; and i commend your usage of clean, debateable english language.....in representing a common antiIslaamic, antiMonotheistic view.

i will try to go over step by step; simple, quick response and answer to each of your Major questions asked in your comments above....

your written questions:

1. "Christians and Jews did not alter their Scriptures based on historic evidence."
2. "Judaism is the African way of life."
3. "Early Christian communities transmitted the story of Christ"
4. "a fifth of the Qur’anic text is just incomprehensible."
5. "That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur’an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not—"
6. "serious contradiction. Something else must be going on."

my written answers:

1. jews and judaism DOES NOT or has EVER believed in a 'christ'; a messiah; or a JewishRabbi that brings a new RELIGION, christianity;

NO jew or judaism believe IssaIbnMaryam(latinJesus), is or was a three in one godApproach, and they do not BELIEVE in; 'so-called 'new'Testament!

So you mention christians and jews, historical????? THERE IS NO ANCIENT or MODERN Historical truth to base that FalseHood...

2. where?
the last vestiges of judaism were Ethiopians plucked out of Ethiopia by Israelis in "Operation Moses" (1984), "Operation Solomon" (1991) and few of these ethiopians would agree with you 6/2012--that their Belief in the tenets of Sulaimaans Judaism are evident in israel2012.

there IS though a tremendous amount of History, Scholarship and Science that Africa: from Senegal to Egypt; from Morooco to Tanzania to Timbuctuu that reveals that Africa was for over a thousand years BEFORE the bible was scribed WAS following AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)

3. i believe you meant to write, "paganEurope of greece and rome were transmitting the story of christ"

the followers of IsaIbnMaryam in the middleEast, Arabia, Africa, and Asia were transmitting the story of the virgin birth of the Great Monotheistic Prophet, IsaIbnMaryam

4. The text of AlQur'aan, AlHaqqa has been comprehensible to men and women from chicago to jakarta, from meccah to dakar, from oslo to capeTown, from beijing to los angeles, from berlin to mexico city, from baltimore to Islamabad and beyond for 1461+ YEARS to now include 1/3rd of the Human Family of Adaam(as) as a COMPREHENDED original Monotheistic text......

5. PLEEZE, you and others have blocked and deleted my messages from AlQur'aan here even at BIA.....................

deleters and blockers are AFRAID --- i do not run, hide or block............

6. YES, something else other than Monotheism has been the history of the people who gave the world, the bible of slaverAmericana, and colonialEurope for 600+ years?

BUT any Believer of AlQur'aan and Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) 2012, does not run or falsify or contradict the Monotheistic thought of AlQur'aan for the past 1641+ YEARS........

as explained Clearly here:

Sûrat Az-Zumar
(The Different Groups, Communities) XXXIX
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

2. We have sent down AlQur'aan to you Mohamed in truth: So worship Allâah (Alone) by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allâah’s sake only.

3. The religion of worship and the obedience is for Allâah only. Those who take Auliyâ’ (protectors, lords, gods) besides Him say: "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâah." Allâah will judge between them concerning that where they differ. Allâah does not guide a liar, and a disbeliever.

4. Had Allâah willed to take a son or offspring, He could have chosen whom He willed out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! He is above such things. He is Allâah, the One, the Irresistible.

5. He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running on a fixed course for an appointed term. He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.

32. Then, who does more wrong than one who utters a lie against Allâah, and denies the truth of AlQur’âan, the Prophet Mohamed and Monotheism, when it comes to him! Is there not in Hell an abode for the disbelievers?

33. And Mohamed who has received AlQur’âan and Monotheism and the true believers of Monotheism, those are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious)

sorry, mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR;

i do not like to comment on commentators---but since she also is a frightened child deleter/blocker, siebra brings to the discussion of AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) nothing but the paganChristian, 'black/white', racialistic Racists rantings of and the understanding of Our Father Elijah Muhammad in 1929 America........

AND ayah 32-33 should be of concern to siebra; as these Words of Allaah, AlBari, AlMudheel are CLEAR..............in original language or english.

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 4:51PM
powell robert

I gave an explanation of those verses but obviously Robert is too lazy and simple minded to research what I wrote, maybe its because and it is that I am right and your teachings can be proven wrong. Why don't you properly educate yourself before adhereing to a bunch of gobbly goo-goo?

You have been studying and quoting the Quran longer than I have been having breath in my body but you don't understand the very book that you have. So what does that say about you? It shows that you are functionally illiterate and cannot use one bit of math!

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 5:07PM
Siebra Muhammad

@BOb you got to understand where you are getting you information from could be dead wrong because Judaism is the African way of life. Judaism was the religion developed in Africa by African people. It was adopted and adapted in a similar fashion to the Yoruba Orisha worship (Vodoun, Santeria, Lacumi, c*ndomble, etc) and is still being co-opted and altered by non-Africans today. To speak of an African influence on Judaism is like speaking of an African influence on Orisha Worship. It is not an African influence. It is still African and represents an African way of life.

Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text to prove his research. He was still challenged by "Europe" and his findings were labeled "untrue" by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal "King James" Version of the Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world. I thought that the following excerpts were extremely interesting. A website visitor suggested that I read the Darkwah's book. Thanks to the website reader who suggested that I limit my research to Sub-Saharan Africa. You’ve started a greater quest to delve deeper into Europe's concealment of our history and to shed more light on how the global world exists in its current state.
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 5:13PM
DAVID JOHNSON

again,

mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR ---- you can called me BOb, many no History, Scholarship and Science buffs do...............

where is your information coming from?

AFRICA?

EGYPT?

the DNA of BOb in Chicago, will match the DNA of BOb in Ghana or BOb in Berlin, or BOb in the valley of the Kings.............of BOb the eskimo............

Monotheistic Thought Theology is the Thought of the Family of Adaam(as)....WE ALL GOT ADAAMS' DNA......................

as for your GUEST commentator siebra,

I do not have an issue with ANY attempt at TRANSLATING AlQur'aan into english, AlHamdullillaahi RabilAlaameen, Sadakallaah walAtheem

but i do READ and COMPREHEND english---you might want to do the same...................

Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 5:26PM
powell robert

BOB It is always a bit risky to apply terms developed and used in one set of religious traditions to another set of religious traditions with its own insights,
history and way of thinking and talking about religious matters. Such risk
attaches especially to the use of the word monotheism in connection with
the religious traditions of India . There is no comparable word or conception in any of the Indic languages. The idea of there being one and only
one god would seem strange and even perverse to religious people nurtured in the rich, diverse, and densely populated religious world that has
ﬂourished in India for thousands of years. Even the terms that are used
for the supreme god indicate a sense of the plurality of cosmic powers:
god of gods (deva-deva), lord of gods (devesa), master of the moving (jagannatha), the fortunate one (bhagavan) etc. Each of these indicate the singling
out of one god from among many gods. This on the surface has more of
the feel of monolatry than anything like monotheism. Of course, monotheism emerges late in the biblical religion, too, Yahweh at ﬁrst pitting himself
against other tribal gods until the period of Kings (if any credence at all can
be given to biblical history) when he is ﬁnally recognized as the one and
only. Perhaps pure monotheism, in the sense of belief in one and only one
god, does not stay around long either, the one becoming a trinity in Christianity and Allah sharing eternity with the Qur’an or his Sekhinah in Islam.
Nevertheless, the theism that developed in India is not a form of monolatry nor does it ﬁt the henotheism that Max Muller invented to describe the
early Vedic kind of theistic worship.
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 6:09PM
DAVID JOHNSON

IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE NEW TESTAMENT YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME THEORY IE'
Monotheistic Thought Theology is the Thought of the Family of Adaam 1
Sunday, June 24th 2012 at 6:11PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Hello Siebra,

Siebra, the Quran does not verify the truth of the Bible. The people that wrote the Bible are Caucasian Jewish people. The people that wrote the Quran Arabian people. In the Bible the Jewish people is telling the world how God helped them in their times of trouble. In the Quran the Arabian people is telling the world how God helped them out of paganism. There is no truth to verify since each people is telling their own story to the world. So, how did you come to the conclusion that the Quran verifies the truth of the Bible is because you are thinking lopsidedly.
Monday, June 25th 2012 at 4:47AM
Harry Watley

Robert,

Black Americans are not from the family of Adam. The only people that are from the family of Adam Caucasian Jewish people since it was Moses that told his Jewish people how God created them and the rest of the world. All the descendents of Adam and Eve from Cain and Abel to Jesus were all Caucasian Jewish people. You don't have to do any research to know that what I am saying is true. All you need to do is open your eyes and use your brain. What you have been taught is all wrong. Again, Adam and Eve were a Jewish couple.
Monday, June 25th 2012 at 4:54AM
Harry Watley

Stupid David,

Let us just suppose that I am right that Black Americans are going to inherit a portion of this continent to become our very own country with borders to go for our selves as God did for the Children of Israel 4000 years ago when Moses led them out of Egypt then all your studies and wisdom of the Egyptian people cannot and will not help you transitioning into Black America's new life, am I right.

What you ought to be doing is learning about yourself. One of the first good ways of learning about yourself was to answer the questions I had asked you.

One of the qualities of a genuine prophet is that they ask questions that traps and ties up their ignorant people in their nonsense and at the same time the prophet brings out the truth.

So, what is your race? How did your race come into existence? And where did we come from? You know plenty about the Egyptian but you know **** about yourself and your people. That's telltale sign that you are incredibly stupid. I know that my three questions are very difficult for you to answer because you deleted these same questions I posted on one of your other blogs.

When you honestly and uprightly answer these questions you could no longer promote and advocate the interests of the Egyptian people that you are not of and you are too stupid to make the change from having interest in the Egyptian people to having interest in your self and your Black American people.

Wise up Negro!

Monday, June 25th 2012 at 5:13AM
Harry Watley

mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR

now you take your subject to ------I N D I A???????

why? ----- stay on YOUR subject of bible and AlQur'aan

dont run or concede yet-------

you write,------"It is always a bit risky to apply terms developed and used in one set of religious traditions to another set of religious traditions with its own insights, history and way of thinking and talking about religious matters"

there is NOTHING risky for the Believer in the Creator of Adaam(as) to ACCEPT all the HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE of the Judaic Genesis of MONOTHEISM

......the Muslim follows ALL of IT-AS AN ARTICLE and OATH of FAITH!

......the Muslim loves; as AlQur'aan points out in my translation ABOVE, that the Muslim; AS AN ARTICLE and OATH of FAITH acceptsALL the prophets of Judaic History, Scholarship and Science and ALL the Words of the Genesis of thought conveyed to the Prophets through AtTaurat, AzZaboor

ALQUR'AAN DOES, ---------------------------------------------- bible does NOT!

so the answer to your ORIGINALLY vague Question --- which needed more clarity-----

"which came first the bible or the Koran?"

Quarraa in Hebrew, Aramaic or Arabic MEANS in english........

---- the wording, the talk, the communication; and it is the wording, talk and communication of The Creator of Adaam(as) - AlMaleek AlMulk, Allaah.....

so you ask any Jew or Muslim and the ANSWER is -------AlQUR'AAN came FIRST!

--- AlQur'aan of Adaam, AlQur'aan of Ibraheem, AlQur'aan of Musa, AlQur'aan of Isa...AlQur'aan of Mohamed(asm).............

and thank you sweetIrma

as for the 68IQ retardant, have someone HELP you with the Reading above

.......you are always retarding TRUTH(but upholding the false cowWorshipping of the disBelieving pagans that were waiting for Musa(as) below the mountain)............and the Division of The Family of Adaam(as) THEN and more importantly for Americans during the biblical slaverAMericana 1492-1864 ERA.........

SadaaqAllaah walAtheem

Monday, June 25th 2012 at 9:33AM
powell robert

Quote From Minister Farrakhan:

"Why would Allah (God) send this (Qur’an) after this (Bible)? It is because the enemy that had us in their hands and corrupted us had the Bible also in their hands and corrupted it. This Book, (Qur’an) comes as a Criterion to tell us the good of this Book (Bible) and to verify the truth of the Bible."

That statement above lets us know that Allah already knew the Bible was tampered with and this is why he says the Quran verifies the "TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE."
Monday, June 25th 2012 at 11:30AM
Siebra Muhammad

bob i went to india to show you another form of Monotheistic Thought Theology ,
if it is to much for you to understand ok but dont start trying to blow past the truth
ok keep it real 100
Monday, June 25th 2012 at 12:51PM
DAVID JOHNSON

is your Subject getting clearer now?

-- as i said ABOVE, i am going simple Monotheism 100-101

HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE of 95% of Mankind - teaches us that each and all of the organized 'books' of MONOTHEISM came ORALLY through Malaaeeka to Prophets.....

Correct?

the WORD of the CREATOR of Adaam(as) came FIRST

no books written or transpired on papyrus or leaves, in the desert - no preservation of inks, flower colors....etc

so it was always -----Quarraa'(Words-Thkir)---- of the Creator of Allaah(as) that reaches man/women so that they may lead there lives and communities through their living and nonLiving understanding.......

the chain of Judaic Quarraa' or AtTaurat----was the undertaking of the Rabbi, or Rabi and it was a serious, resolute and isolated area of preservation-thru memorization and then writing.

the chain of AlQur'aan was memorization and then writing.............

the chain of whatever josephus and the Holy Roman Empire in Constantinople had wasNOT of Judaic confirmation and in fact was antiJudaic-----it was for the unification of the various paganCultures of greece, roman, caucasus, central europe, germanic and northern tribes for Unification of The Holy Roman Empire -- the bible..................

OF course AlQur'aan was First.....................

reSiebra????????????????

her first comment ABOVE, says; bible --- and now after some knowledge has SHINED on her forehead, she says herFarakhan say what? --- AlQur'aan.....?

so what is it NUMBER 1 blogSubscriber BIA --- Queen of BIA?

Monday, June 25th 2012 at 4:29PM
powell robert

OF course AlQur'aan was First......BOB you sure about that ??

Monday, June 25th 2012 at 5:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Hello again to all,

You all are strangely stupid, mentally dead and an ignorant people. I say this because you knuckleheads continue in the same direction despite the roadblock that I put in front of you that none of you can say I am wrong.

I said that the Bible of course came first since prophet Mohammed came 600 years after the last genuine prophet recorded in the Bible, Jesus the Christ. What I just said is mathematically and chronically correct.

But most important is that these two books has been nothing to do with each other since the people responsible for writing these books are two separate people racially speaking.

Mr. Farrakhan is dumb and so was Elijah Muhammad. I do not understand how you all don't say that!

Incidentally, there are more religious books in existence besides the Bible and the Quran. What about those books. The spiritual books of the Chinese people that regarded Confucius as a prophet, what about the Chinese people? Do the Quran correct the Chinese book? This book is referred to as the Analects. I might not have Analects spelled correctly. The people of India has a religious book as well are you all aware that?

All you stupid *****s do are Walla around in your stupid small world of the Bible and Quran. And, I have a very difficult job of raising an opening you all eyes to the world at large.

I know damn well if I was wrong you all would be coming at me, but what makes you all stupid is when you cannot say I am wrong, but at the same time you continue on your wrong path that I am trying to correct you about!

Your numbskull Negroes!

Tuesday, June 26th 2012 at 1:00AM
Harry Watley

BOB is sure, and Adaam, Nuh, Ibraheem, Musa, Isa.......Mohamed(aws) all All Sure that the Word of the Creator of Adaam(as) was FIRST and Last

Sûrat Al-Ahqâf
(The Curved Sand-hills-twisted weakness) (XLVI)
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Hâ-Mîm.

2. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

3. We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them with Truth, and for an appointed term. But those who disbelieve turn away from that whereof they are warned.

4. Say Mohamed to these pagans: "Think about all that you invoke besides Allâah?
Show me. What have they created of the earth? Or have they a share in the Creation of the heavens? Bring me a Book revealed before this, or some trace of knowledge in support of your claims, if you are Truthful!"

5. Who is more astray than one who invokes others; than Allâah?
Others that may not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are even unaware of their calls and invocations ?

Tuesday, June 26th 2012 at 8:46AM
powell robert

Robert, did you REALLY read over Farrakhan's quote before making another attempt to insult our intelligence????

Farrakhan simply stated: "(Qur’an) comes as a Criterion to tell us the good of this Book (Bible) and to verify the truth of the Bible."

Now if the Qu'ran comes to verify the truth of the Bible, that means the Bible existed before the Quran. Bible came first, Qu'ran came later!!!

DO THE MATH!!!
Tuesday, June 26th 2012 at 11:51AM
Siebra Muhammad

sorry THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR -- but i must respond to a commentor

siebra................?

------READ and COMPREHEND AlQur'aan AlHaqq above ayah ---

you and harryesque'Blacks' of the noi2012 --- farakhanMadoofCult?

1. have yet to understand the importance of the "originalMan" "O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L" ------ language of Our Father elijah or the GENESIS-FIRST...............

2. the GENESIS language of the Creator of Adaam(as) - thru the Malaaeeka of ALLAAH --- is Hebrew or Arabic......

3. this language was given to Prophets from Adaam, Nuh, Ibraheem, Musa, Isa.......Mohamed(aws) in ORAL transmissions or Tanzeel QUARRAA'.........WORDS

4. QUARRAA' means words transmitted....and is the TRUTH from ALLAAH

5. AtTaurat, AzZaboor, and AlQur'aan are TRUTH from ALLAAH......

6. bible is NOT believed by JEWS or MUSLIMS ----- do not get mad at me ask any RABBI

7. Mohamed(saw) told the Muslims in Hadeeth, never to take this information -- and that was before the europeanPagans printed KING JAMES VERSION or slaverAmericana CODE....

AGAIN,

BELIEVE TRUTH, you heathen

and READ and COMPREHEND something, sometime ----

Qarraa' of Tanzil ALQUR'AAN was the first and is the last..................words of Allaah, the Monotheistic Thought of the Family of Adaam(as)

Tuesday, June 26th 2012 at 7:42PM
powell robert

Its one to be misled its another to be down right old and a damn fool now look BOB the Bible was written between the time of Moses (about 1300-1100 BC) for the first five books of the Old Testament, up to about 150 AD for the Revelation of John,you got that BOB now Muhammad was born in 570 AD and didn't start claiming to have heard the voice of Gabriel in his dreams until about 620 AD, so although the Quran as we know it today was was pretty much settled by 700 AD, and the classic King James Bible wasn't translated into English until 1611 AD, the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic texts which make up the Bible are *much* older than the Quran.

Now look BOB and do the math or better research stop thinking like a idiot and come up here where thinking is fundamental ! try it it works!
Tuesday, June 26th 2012 at 11:27PM
DAVID JOHNSON

Hello,

In order to reason well you have to use common sense along with the phyiscal laws of nature and that is what Siebra and David is doing to help Robert understand that it is not phyiscally possible that the Quran came before the Bible when all the prophets of the Bible in a time sequence came before Mohammed, which is very good reasoning.

However, these same two idiots, Siebra and David, have difficultes reasoning that since prophets are racially different Black America's first genuine prophet must be a Black American as Mohammed was an Arab to racially match his Arabian people and that Jesus was a Jewish man matching the race of his Jewish people.

What is really happening here is a display of profound ignorance and stupidity when these two individuals that at times when it doesn't sute what their belief they try to reason out side of the physical laws of nature because they believe that it is impossible that they could be wrong accepting and embracing other people's prophets and religions instead of accepting their very own Prophet Harry and religion named LIFE, am I right?

Wednesday, June 27th 2012 at 5:34AM
Harry Watley

mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR

i am not sure who BOB is? and you can have a written communication with BOB - you have them with bsB Told? and King James Versions---- ok

BUT

i should have included your moniker in the ABOVE comment to your dear little single sister----and fellow harryesque'Blacks' -----siebra

-READ and COMPREHEND something, sometime about HISTORY, SCHOLARSHIP and SCIENCE

can we agree that bible = 'olde'Testament and 'new'Testament?

can we agree that jews CALL 'olde'Testament
--- the orally transmitted word of Creator of Adaam(as) or T-O-R-A-H and MONOTHEISTIC?

T-O-R-A-H---- in Hebrew Language transliteration----------OR------------ AtTaurat,

T-O-R-A-H is the BASIS, GENESIS, BEGINNING of the QUARRAA'(transmission of 'Gabriel' -

the Jews and the Muslims believe this.............

the paganChristian euroCentrics DO NOT BELIEVE jews or Muslims.......................

jews do NOT believe, the paganChristian euroCentrics because they have ADDED their 'new'Testament and their own paganBeliefs to what the jews received FIRST ---- like kingJames versions and others before and after ....

AGAIN, you - harryesque'Blacks' - have a problem with the Rabbis and Jews -- not me or AlQur'aan on Belief

transmission of the TRUTH from the CREATOR of Adaam(as) or in HEBREW......I-L-L-A-A-H

jews and paganChristians DO NOT FOLLOW the same Word of the Creator of Adaam(as)

jews do NOT accept latinJesus or ANY of the 'new'Testament and kingJames slaverAmericana Code........

jews and MUSLIMS follow and Believe the same oral transmission of Words of Creator!

--- minus paganChristian influence and AlQur'aan

-- the transmission was to prophets of Allaah in the ORAL tradidition

the Muslim Believer of the MONOTHEISTIC thoughts of I-L-L-A-A-H from Adaam(as) to Mohamed(saw) ARE the ARTICLE of FAITH in AlISLAAM...........

the Muslim Believer of the MONOTHEISTIC thoughts of I-L-L-A-A-H from Adaam(as) does NOT differentiate any of the WORDS, BOOKS or PROPHETS.

SO----AGAIN

Qarraa' of Tanzil ALQUR'AAN was the first and is the last..................words of Allaah, the Monotheistic Thought of the Family of Adaam(as)

as for the selfAnnointed 'prophet' of you 'blackAmericans' ------------

NO, the paganChristian slaverAmericana code of latinJesus was to DIVIDE the Family of Adaam(as) into COLORS:

not the jews, Muslims, TORAH of ALQUR'AAN - the Words of the CREATOR.......

Wednesday, June 27th 2012 at 10:37AM
powell robert

David, that's what's I have been trying to tell Robert all aLong brother, but as usual he would rather fight me tooth and nail in defense of the truth than do the math for himself...

The Old and New Testaments were written between 30 AD and 95 AD. The Quran was compiled about 600 AD. The original TRUE bible came from GOD but it was plagarized and rewritten by fake Jewish priests and scholars in their own ways of understanding which has ultimately lead to a distorted gospel.

This is why the Quran was written as it had to comply with the REAL GENUINE bible (not with the FAKE PLAGARIZED one). And GOD promised to keep Quran as a miracle not to be distorted the same way it happened to the old and new testaments.

Bible came first .. Quran came years later...you may like or may not like to beleive it ..but as Samuel L. Jackson said in Do The Right Thing...That's the double truth, Ruth!!! (smile)
Wednesday, June 27th 2012 at 11:39AM
Siebra Muhammad

mr.THE BLOG KING DAVID JOHNSON SR ---since you and siebra agreed first but not her last time, there seems no need to apologize for me commenting on her writing

READ siebra!

non READING is a stereotype of slaverAmericana negros -- learn something

READING at any time in History allowed Human Beings to Develop beyond animals

Again,

no need to call bob, samuel jackson or king James a problem or AUTHORITY

ask A JEW

ask an israeliChristian that lives in the AREA where The Words of Allaah were given to The Family of Adaam(as) if what i say is incorrect

ask an egyptianChristian what they call Creator of Adaam(as), ask if they read from the bible daily?

Language is SO important and again our father would make you write your Letter over and over again until you understood --- ORIGINAL----

siebra writings do NOT reflect AlQur'aan or AlIslaam 600-2012......................

they are paganChristian slavery 'black and white' understanding from 1492-1864

ALQUR'AAN-- was completed BEFORE the bible was printed and completed in Europe..!

and RasulAllaah Mohamed(saw)---- NEVER --- considered the european bible -- IN HIS LIFE!

NO Muslim 600 or 2012 considers bible EVER...............we do Respect ORIGINAL

learn something, sometime...................

sic---sam jackson also said, ----"Hamburgers. The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast."

Wednesday, June 27th 2012 at 12:41PM
powell robert

Harry, you did say you would get your Bible after you get your nation...maybe you should come up withan original name for your's and not the Bible as you may be accused of having a nation that is doing exactly what you say YOU AS THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN PROPHET IN TAKING ON TO YOU THOSE OF ADIFFERENT RACE OF PEOPLES. LOL (smile) example, that of the White man, Harry...now that would be s-t-u-p-i-d...

"AM I RIGHT?"
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA

...WHICH LED TO CHATTEL SLAVERY. (NUP/SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA

@David, since you have put it that way then the Bible cAME first...

The Torah came first since Jesus was a Jew and this led to Christianity which led to the Bible....

That is if facts are accepted/ Anthropology, even. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA

(Which 'version' of the Bible/ Koran?) (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA