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Good questions Sylvainy. If by real you mean physically existed then I would say it is unknown whether the person of Jesus existed. Christ is a separate question because that is about God becoming man. On that I would say no. That is an idea that was appropriated by the Christians from other cultures, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, etc. But there is a sense in which man is divine, and there is a sense in which Jesus is real. We have to remember there was much more written about Jesus than what is in the bible today. It was destroyed by those who created the bible. So the real question is whether the bible is real and whether it's the true and unadulterated word of God.
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 8:10AM
Steve Williams
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That is a good question. Is Jesus real. To me, Jesus is just as real as love is. Jesus is real enough for me to forgive those who trust pass against me and we have seen examples of that.
Some of my Jewish Brother say that Jesus don't exist, we'll remember The Holy Bible is comprised of stories written by the Black Hebrew Israelite and it was these people who thought the Christian world to pray, yes, Black Jews and Jesus Christ is apart of that story.
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 9:49AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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@ Steve Williams
Its rather interesting that archaeological evidence of the Egyptian written and physical from ten thousand years ago can be found all over Egypt and There is no archaeological evidence to be found anywhere of a man name Jesus Christ who the bible say went to Egypt with his mon Mary and Dad Joseph no evidence except the bible, keep in mind the bible say the Egypt / pharaoh are bad people based on the bible but there's evidence they existed however the man Jesus Christ who did all these great things walk on water bring a man back from the dead ect, There is no archaeological evidence of his existence except the 4 gospel
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:03AM
Sylvainy R
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Sylvainy:
I am openly challenging you with your "Egyptology" thought pattern which is similar to David Johnson whom has been hiding from me.
But we all know he creates fake profiles consistently on this Platform?
The historic Yahawahshi ( wrongly named Jesus) has written proof by the Romans and I posted that a long time ago.
You are a joke and I know that you are David Johnson incognito hence why you avoid me like a plague???
Now show me some real proof that you stated in a earlier blog that the Great Egyptians go back 10,000 years and the references too?
{@Steve Williams
I can show you evidence of a people who existed and have done great things 10000 years ago
No one has yet to produce any evidence of a Johnny come lately Jesus who they say has done all these great things 2000 years a go when people like the Pastor Winans of this world use what he thinks he knows to a man who history can demonstrate never existed to degraded ,disrespect and manipulate people Grace and others for power and profit that calls for some serious reflection Grace should demand an apology
A composite ????? I like that }
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:11AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Brother Deacon Ron Gray
There's nothing more important to a lot of people than there prospective and relationship to what they perceive to be Jesus Christ / God, Now do we need a Jesus Christ in order to forgive someone who trust pass against us?? There is no such thing as a Black Hebrew Israelite, thats where POLITICS comes into play with religion,
Keep in mind God change the name of Jacob to Isreal that's how Isreal came into existance it was call Palestine before God cange Jacob's name again thats where POLITICS and religion cross the line and caused death and distruction to mankind Now are there black Jews? YES but they are Ethopian there are sisteen + crucified savior thousand's of years before Jesus Christ all of them according to history did all the things that Jesus Christ did including death and Resurrection after 3 days my brother I stand corrected
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:40AM
Sylvainy R
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Sylvainy,
It's interesting to read the Q gospel which has only the sayings of Jesus and nothing about his birth, death or resurrection. These sayings don't depend on the historical reality of Jesus, just as Buddhist teachings don't depend on the historical reality of Shakyamuni buddha.
But even stories like Jesus going down into Egypt are instructive.
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:42AM
Steve Williams
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@ Yaiqab Saint The gyptian pyramids that is still standing to this day, Nubia present dat Sudan still standing to this day don't argue with me argue with the pyramids
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:47AM
Sylvainy R
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Deacon,
Just to be clear I respect your faith even if it isn't mine (exactly). This is what I meant by a sense in which Jesus is real. I have experienced this in my own life.
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:50AM
Steve Williams
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Bro Steve Williams
the Q gospel is ascribed to Jesus they are always in the 3rd person, The thing is Steve when human use the historical reality of Jesus as fact that's where danger comes in play
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:56AM
Sylvainy R
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@Sylvainy Soso
Brother Steve Right?
But you don't address Harry in that fashion!
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 10:59AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@Yaiqab Saint
Again Argue with the gyptian pyramids and Nubia pyramids they are still standing go argue with them not with me
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:00AM
Sylvainy R
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Pyramids okay there are Pyramids in Mexico and South America now show me the proof of their ages?
Now go to You Tube and post videos that show evidence of the Historic Yahawahsi (Jesus)!!
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:01AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint |thanks for the Laughter
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:01AM
Sylvainy R
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@ Yaiqab Saint nervous??? really like really???
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:07AM
Sylvainy R
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The Pyramids in Americas (Mexico, Central America, South America) are still standing too.
I'm asking for the proof of their ages???
I'm not arguing with you ????
If you are not aware???? there is evidence of the "Historical Yahawahshi of Jesus" in Italy.
So you failed to do proper research and now your nervous RIGHT?????
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:07AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@Sylvainy
You trying to make personal gestures because you are devoid of history that includes archeology as well!
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:10AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint
Historical Yahawahshi of Jesus" in Italy. really???
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:11AM
Sylvainy R
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Mr. Deacon,
The question is the Jewish Jesus Christ real you gave this answer, "That is a good question. Is Jesus real? To me, Jesus is just as real as love is. Jesus is real enough for me to forgive those who trust pass against me and we have seen examples of that."
This is not an answer! This is your personal feelings! I know that I am right when you have to use the phrase, (to me) meaning yourself you are thinking personally which involves your false love and claim to the Jewish Jesus.
The answer to be given is Jesus real must be a forensic answer. A forensic answer separates your personal feelings from reality.
When you have to inject your personal feelings to answers scientifically and analytical questions something is cognitively wrong with you!
What is wrong with you is that you are racially mis-matched with the Jewish Jesus and you are not a Jewish man. You have been fooled all your life.
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:13AM
Harry Watley
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@ Harry
Now be a man and apologize to Deacon Ron Gray
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:16AM
Sylvainy R
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Yes .......... that your problem lack of research skills.
It is easy information to gather too!
TOP Historians that don't believe in Christianity or God have not stated that the historic "Yahawahshi" or Jesus never existed. WE all know that there is no letter "J" in Aramaic or Ancient Hebrew text.
This notion that the historic Jesus never existed is a new concept forged by some "Caucasian Egyptologists" that wrote the philosophy for the " Black Kemet Worshippers".
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:18AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint
Man know thyself
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:20AM
Sylvainy R
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@Sylvainy
I'm not done with you and your fraud too!
Tell David & Dorothy Johnson hello and I expect them soon on this forum.
You HEAR?????????????
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:23AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint
King James Version (KJV) 2 Timothy 2:8
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:28AM
Sylvainy R
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@Sylvainy
In order to understand the scriptures you need to be fluent in Ancient Hebrew, a scholar of history, nationalities, and geography.
But unfortunately you don't have it and the parabolic texts is confusing in your mind and it should be because it ain't meant for you KEMET?
Now answer this whom was the man or women that "BIRTH" the KEMET people of Egypt
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:32AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint
one more time I live in Montreal Canada CA for short
i'm not sure what's your point or what is your Obsession with David & Dorothy Johnson who ever they are is none of my concern Now if you wish to have a heart attack with your Obsession be my guess go a head make your day again I live in Montreal Canada CA for short
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:38AM
Sylvainy R
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@ Yaiqab Saint |
I don't know who was the man or women that "BIRTH" the KEMET people of Egypt, Who were they
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:40AM
Sylvainy R
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Okay.... since you don't know then you should not doubt the existence of any Hebrew Right without proof?
Because it takes a Man and Women to make a people!
Don't feel bad because every single Black Egyptology Worshipper cannot answer that question in truth either!
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 11:52AM
Yaiqab Saint
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@ Yaiqab Saint
What is your problen with Egypt????
Saturday, June 21st 2014 at 12:07PM
Sylvainy R
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There are PYRAMIDS Mr. SOSO, in Bosnia, China, Indochina, America and Indonesia-----
but for the racistlyIGNORANT EUROCENTRIC paganChristians there IS a latinJesus they all chris t
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 8:20AM
powell robert
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@ powell robert | never doubt that so i'm not sure what's your point
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 10:07AM
Sylvainy R
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It is written that a little child shall lead them, and that you must have the faith as a child. OK, so we also know that a child will believe anything we tell them. Why then is there complaining about there being fifty, sixty and seventy year old children in the church?
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 1:26PM
Helen Lofton
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@Helen Lofton
I do not expect sixy=ty seventy yr olds to change but if u are learned it will be expected to apply with ease.
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 1:59PM
Sylvainy R
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HARRY,
What is it about you? Do you have a obsession with me? Who else could I answer that real question for... You or the Brother down the street?
This is a good topic, what you don't understand is, the power of love, Jesus is that love in me. You will never reach that level till you learn how to ask for your forgiveness of your sins, learn how to feel the joy that life has to offer, stop the false teachings that you engage in and learn how to let go, let go.
I will always talk for me because on that day of judgment I will be asked about my life and you will be asked about yours.
So HARRY, Mind Your Business because Jesus is all that and more to me.
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 5:30PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Mr. Deacon,
I understand your thinking about the Jewish Jesus. I stand firm that you are an ignorant man! You now know that since Jesus and you are racially different it means that you could never spiritually be connected to the Jewish Jesus.
Academically is the only way you can have a connection with Jesus, but not spiritually. All spiritual business should be the open for your Black American prophet to conduct with you since the Spirit of God that you need to connect to is only in your Black American prophet.
The Spirit of God was in Jesus only for his Jewish people; the house of Israel. The Spirit of God was in Mohammed only for his Arabian people. No people can connect to the Spirit of God through prophets of other people. The Spirit of God is just not in other prophets for Black Americans. That is why it is so important that you understand you cannot cross the racial divide. Jesus was a Jew and he cannot help you because you are a Black American and not a Jew.
If this was explained to me even though I claim to be a devout Christian I would have understood it the first time! Understanding the racial divide you would not have to explain it to me a second time because my mind is in good shape. I don't seek to fight I seek to understand and that is one of my qualities that God decided to anoint me. You seek to fight and not to understand and therefore you could never be a prophet.
I'm going to tell you again, all the **** that you talk about the Jewish Jesus and love you are out your ignorant and stupid mind. The stuffed talk about is nonsense and abstract. It is not relevant! What is relevant for Black Americans is a country of our own to have a life of our own
You act as if though people can't fool other people like White America has unintentionally fooled and misled Black Americans religiously speaking. Since people can war against each other then why can't White Americans fool Black Americans by giving Black Americans a wrong religion for Black Americans?
I am the way, the truth and the light for all Black Americans. No Black American can come unto God/The Father unless they come by me!
I am telling you that you can't have the Jewish Jesus because of the racial differences. What I'm telling you is a divine fact and yet you would argue with me and disregard the truth that Jesus is racially different from you and if you cannot accept the truth surely you could never be considered to be a prophet. You are ignorant and stupid at the moment.
Apparently, you believe a Jewish man can be God. Deacon! No man can be God and God would never be a man! You are ignorantly stupid!
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 7:49PM
Harry Watley
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Harry,
You are talking to a Jew, a black Jew, a Black American Jew and you have no power over me. Now with that said, I know who I called on to cover me on the battle fields of Vietnam to keep you free to talk your brand of BS. I watch men die calling on Jesus Christ to forgive them for the sins they committed. I was in fear most of the time when the battle came around me and to read your BS about what I believe, what connections I have for Jesus Christ, welcomes my ability to be like Jesus Christ and not call you out of your name and disrespect.
HARRY, out of all your words, you never mentioned about our purpose in life and that is to understand the power of LOVE. Once you can understand that, all things will fall into place. To you that might seem ignorant and stupid but believing in Jesus Christ saved my life so, I could share that story with you.
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 9:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Mr. Deacon,
Because of what you experienced in Vietnam when dying men called on Jesus Christ doesn't make them right! They call on Jesus Christ because that is what they had been taught to do from childhood, but it doesn't make them right.
I have laid down my first divine revelation that prophets are racially different and I can see that prophets are racially different so the revelation is true and therefore I know that I am right over you.
You all coming to me with the emotions and your personal feelings and they are not acceptable. The only thing that is acceptable to me is a truth greater than mines that will over what I have laid down!
You can not have the Jewish Jesus because Jesus is not one of us! You must have me, Prophet Harry!
Sunday, June 22nd 2014 at 10:03PM
Harry Watley
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HARRY,
You have never address the fact that you are talking to a JEW, A BLACK JEW, A BLACK AMERICAN JEW. You continue to LIE and say this BS about I have laid down my first divine revelation that prophets are racially different and I can see that prophets are racially different so the revelation is true and therefore I know that I am right over you.
MY REPLY: Jesus Christ was a JEW and I am a Black Jew so, this BS that you pulled out of your AS* don't means nothing, not a damn thing to me. So, Stop your LIES HARRY, you are no prophet.
Now I saved the best Impression of your BS for last.
YOUR WORDS: Because of what you experienced in Vietnam when dying men called on Jesus Christ doesn't make them right! They call on Jesus Christ because that is what they had been taught to do from childhood, but it doesn't make them right.
You coldhearted, Cruel hearted, callous, compassionless, dusty old bast=== NO... no, Child of God. You don't give a damn about the beliefs of dyeing men and women who laid down their lives for you to have the freedom for your blackness to set on your ass to said that they was wrong in their religious belief in Jesus Christ.
Would you rather for them to call on Prophet HARRY just before they drew there last breath?
Monday, June 23rd 2014 at 1:38PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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HARRY,
You have never address the fact that you are talking to a JEW, A BLACK JEW, A BLACK AMERICAN JEW. You continue to LIE and say this BS about I have laid down my first divine revelation that prophets are racially different and I can see that prophets are racially different so the revelation is true and therefore I know that I am right over you.
MY REPLY: Jesus Christ was a Black JEW and I am a Black Jew so, this BS that you pulled out of your AS* don't means nothing, not a damn thing to me. So, Stop your LIES HARRY, you are no prophet.
Now I saved the best Impression of your BS for last.
YOUR WORDS: Because of what you experienced in Vietnam when dying men called on Jesus Christ doesn't make them right! They call on Jesus Christ because that is what they had been taught to do from childhood, but it doesn't make them right.
You coldhearted, Cruel hearted, callous, compassionless, dusty old bast=== NO... no, Child of God. You don't give a damn about the beliefs of dyeing men and women who laid down their lives for you to have the freedom for your blackness to set on your ass to said that they was wrong in their religious belief in Jesus Christ.
Would you rather for them to call on Prophet HARRY just before they drew there last breath?
Monday, June 23rd 2014 at 5:43PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Mr. Deacon,
On many occasions I have addressed your crazy idea that you are a Black American Jew. Black Americans are a race! Jews is also a race. You cannot have two different races in one person (Ron Gray).
I know who you are! You are one of my people. You have good reasons to be ignorant of whom you are since you are a descendent of plantation slaves. Any way, you are a Black American and a descendent of plantation slaves that President Abraham Lincoln freed through the famous Emancipation Proclamation.
Mr. Deacon there was no Jews on any plantation picking cotton alongside the slaves. All the photographs of the slaves that were lynched will all Black Americans and no Jews.
You want to be a Jew because of your ignorant claim and devotion to the Jewish Jesus! You cannot have the Jewish Jesus under no circumstances because Jesus is racially different from you.
I've proven time and time that Black Americans are a new race of people. I've explained Black America's existence. I've given Black Americans a time and place of existence on the map of creation. I said that Black Americans came into existence during the 16, 17 and 18 century and the place is the early White American colonies here on the continent of North America.
Tuesday, June 24th 2014 at 1:52AM
Harry Watley
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Harry,
I don't hear your reply to the question: "Would you rather for them to call on Prophet HARRY just before they drew there last breath? Silence... That silence to that question specks volumes of your self centered view point that you are.... No, I will not go down that line of conversation with you.
There is something more important and that your disrespect of me, someone call my people and you have the nerves to disrespect.
Now, I saw what you have done HARRY. You are so low, that you would tell Brother Steve that you unblock me in shame but you was not man enough to come and tell me that you was wrong for your actions and You reopened your blogs to me. This happens to be day two since your new action.
You can't tell me nothing about you are the way to God. However, I will believe you if you said that you are the way to hell.
I apologize to the readers on Black In America for these word. I could have said this other way but that what it is, what it is.
Tuesday, June 24th 2014 at 6:08PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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if the deacon wants to identify himself as a 'blackJew'? and the latinJesus as a 'blackJew'-----HE LIES
ask any pope, nun, bible reader, and most importantly a MEMBER of the JUDAIC faith!
your only SUBJECT is the defense of the racistlyIgnorant paganChristian 'whiteMans'Religion', in my Opinion
Tuesday, June 24th 2014 at 6:47PM
powell robert
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Mr. Deacon,
You want to know should these dying men have called on me, Prophet Harry instead of the Jewish Jesus. You are asking this question assuming I was our prophet during the Vietnam era.
This is how it goes Deacon for Black Americans and it's no different from the Jewish and Arabian people. Firstly, I would need to teach Black Americans the concept of God and how our minds should mentally see God. Then I would give you our very first prayer as required by all first-time prophets to do. Understanding our first prayer will help you to mentally understand God.
For instance, I have nothing against the Lord's Prayer. However, the Lord's Prayer is a prayer that the Jewish Jesus gave to his Jewish disciples. Likewise, the Alfatiah is the first prayer that Prophet Mohammed gave to his Arabian people. The point that I am making is that its the prophet of the people to issue the people their first prayer. Since the Lord's Prayer was issued by the Jewish Jesus to his Jewish people. Black Americans are not Jewish people. So obviously, the Lord's Prayer is not a prayer for Black Americans.
Our first prayer is a prayer directly to God and all prayers are directed directly to God. However, acknowledging and thanking God for the prophet is mentioned in the prayer. So, the prayer is not to the prophet it is to God.
So, if I was our anointed prophet in the Vietnam era those dying Black American soldiers is to call on God and in calling on God acknowledge and thank God for anointing Black America a prophet of our own race.
I'm trying to get you to understand that no other race is supposed to be occupying our minds why we are focusing on God. In our case for the past 500 years we have been focusing on Jewish people and their prophets especially the Jewish Prophet Jesus and we are not Jewish people. Obviously, you can immediately recognize how spiritually wrong we are and have been misled by the old White American slave masters.
Mr. Deacon I have all the spiritual answers for Black Americans. No Black American Christian preacher knows more than me about God. Likewise, no Arabian knew more about God than Prophet Mohammed. No Hebrew knew more about God than the Hebrew prophets. Keeping in step with everyone else no Black Americans knows more about God than Prophet Harry our first genuine Black American prophet.
Tuesday, June 24th 2014 at 7:20PM
Harry Watley
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HARRY,
What concept? Would you follow a LIE? You never gave a damn about no one, no Black American that has questions about you or your thymes of a new race. You have no spiritual answers to nothing spiritual unless you are talking about your cult.
Wednesday, June 25th 2014 at 10:07AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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HARRY,
You mentioned that you must teach The Black American how to pray, What is that "PRAYER?" Can you Show me the daft? I would like to see it, can you show us this pray?
Wednesday, June 25th 2014 at 4:59PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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