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When we go to the Christian Church or the Muslim Temple or others places of religious worship, there is the order of service they have been practicing for years. Parents take their children and those children become parents and take their children....For about 100 years since black nationalism hit America, churches, temples, mosques have a developed an order of religious service. The agenda hasn't changed with the times....they are preaching the same thing. The margin of good that transpires is worth their existence....but these institutions are no longer the resource for divine wisdom.

Go to the Muslim Temple or Christian church....and reflect on what new did you "learn".....Preachers and ministers are saying the same thing just merely a different way....but nothing new. One has to almost adopt the understanding that going to the mosque, temple or church that there you will see friends and family but forget about learning something new.....if there was something new being said....then black folk would be " doing" something new.....but black people today and doing the same thing black people did 50 years ago......slaving for the blue eyed Caucasian.......so to the preachers and ministers.....WE HEARD THAT !

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I, Robert Powell, one of 2 Billion Muslims in the World 2014 and I have NEVER been in a place called a TEMPLE?

Categorically NO Muslim can Learn AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw) in a Temple.......!

I have Traveled throughout the USA, Europe, AfricaAsia for 50 YEARS and have prayed/learned in Masajid

Do learn something sometime about Muslims and AlIslaam, start with AlQur'aan!

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Yâ-Sîn
XXXVI
In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
1. Yâ-Sîn.

2. AlQur’âan, full of wisdom, of laws, of evidence, and of proofs.

3. Mohamed you are one of the Messengers,

4. On the Straight Way of the Messengers of Allâah; the Way of Monotheism.

5. This Revelation sent down by the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful,

6. In order that you may warn a people whose ancestors were not warned, so they are without wisdom, laws, understanding, and proofs.

7. Indeed the Word has proved True, against - most of them; so they will not believe.

8. We have put on their necks iron collars, so that their lives are not raised up to achieve Enlightenment.

9. We have put a barrier before them, and a barrier behind them.
We have covered them up, so that they cannot see the Straight Path..

10. It is the same to them whether you warn them or you warn them not, they will not believe.

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ps..

Yes if you have been going to Hindu Temples you probably will learn nothing of the Creator of Adaam(as)

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 8:04AM
robert powell

Robert.

Don’t get caught-up in the name game you are in The United States now, you knew exactly what Brother Abraham ment. The word Masajid means A mosque (/mɒsk/; Arabic: مسجد‎ masjid, plural مساجد masājid), is a place of worship for followers of Islam.

There are strict and detailed requirements in Sunni fiqh for a place of worship to be considered a mosque, with places that do not meet these requirements regarded as musallas. There are stringent restrictions on the uses of the area formally demarcated as the mosque (which is often a small portion of the larger complex), and, in the Islamic Sharia law, after an area is formally designated as a mosque, it remains so until the Last Day.

Many mosques have elaborate domes, minarets, and prayer halls, in varying styles of architecture. Mosques originated on the Arabian Peninsula, but are now found in all inhabited continents. The mosque serves as a place where Muslims can come together for salat (صلاة ṣalāt, meaning "prayer") as well as a center for information, education, and dispute settlement. The imam leads the congregation in prayer.

Now, do you agree or disagree with that ( I may ADD Imam's) Preacher's and Minister's are saying the same thing just merely a different way....but nothing new. One has to almost adopt the understanding that going to the mosque, temple or church that there you will see friends and family but forget about learning something new.....

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 3:31PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

Lying UNKNOWLEDGABLE deacon of paganChristian racist THOUGHT

the term mosque is a DEROGATORY term FIRST used by FRENCH AfricanAsian Colonialists

Again,

for the 1,585,467,910th TIME I am not a slave to European Definitions that mean NOTHING in AfricaAsia

I indentify with AlIslaam Universally

you want to identify with africaDefinition by European Racists of kingJames Versionists....

YOU and I Will NEVER agree,

BECAUSE I am not a slave to European Definitions that mean NOTHING in AfricaAsia

------- and you cannot survive in belief unless paganChristian European thought can be used.....

THERE is no temple, minister, mosque in AlQur'aan OR the Sunnah of Mohamed(saw)!

and I do understand that deaconJamal is/are REPRESENTING racistlyIgnorant paganChristianity and the European definitions of the events in AfricaAsia OVER 1400 YEARS ago......

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 7:23PM
robert powell

Jamal,

It should be about time that you stop badgering the Christian preachers, Elijah have done enough of that my son! You need to move on!

You have no destination to direct these Christian preachers you mock. You have no divine knowledge, wisdom and understanding to give them!

Who you are to be concern about is your first genuine Prophet Harry. Prophet Harry has a destination for these preachers and divine understanding for them.

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 8:07PM
Harry Watley

Robert,

YOUR WORDS: I indentify with AlIslaam Universally

What in the world does indentify mean? Are you trying to say "identify?"

No Robert, I don't identify myself with European Racists. I speak ENGLISH. I also use Islamic definition as well to express myself and my words don't run together like a bumbling teacher of 5000 men and women.

For example: and I do understand that deaconJamal is/are REPRESENTING racistlyIgnorant paganChristianity and the European definitions of the events in AfricaAsia OVER 1400 YEARS ago......

Look at you "deaconJamal" or "racistlyIgnorant " or "paganChristianity " or AfricaAsia these are not words recognize in ENGLISH.

So what in the world are you trying to say here professor? None of this is a complete thought.

I don't know what you are saying to me. What point are you trying to make? Try again...

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 11:17PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

Robert,

YOUR WORDS: I indentify with AlIslaam Universally

What in the world does indentify mean? Are you trying to say "identify?"

No Robert, I don't identify myself with European Racists. I speak ENGLISH. I also use Islamic definition as well to express myself and my words don't run together like a bumbling teacher of 5000 men and women.

For example: and I do understand that deaconJamal is/are REPRESENTING racistlyIgnorant paganChristianity and the European definitions of the events in AfricaAsia OVER 1400 YEARS ago......

Look at you "deaconJamal" or "racistlyIgnorant " or "paganChristianity " or AfricaAsia these are not words recognize in ENGLISH, these are run-off's, meaningless verbiage or garbage words.

So what in the world are you trying to say here professor? None of this is a complete thought.

I don't know what you are saying to me. What point are you trying to make? Try again and address your comments to Brother Abraham's topic because I am not the topic here, I just gave my independent comment on the topic at hand to enhance the conversation.

Tuesday, December 23rd 2014 at 11:28PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

One thing for sure...take what poor old Robert has to say....now try to draw anything positive or conclusive from what he says....you come up blank...across America...black Americans are having to pretend that the sermon at the church or gyration from the masjid was decisive.....when what in reality we are getting is a rehash of scripture that is over 1000 years old. It is not the intention of the creator of this vast universe to make available a book to lead people 1500 to 2000 years later. NO way....there has to be another book...another leader....another scripture....another writing to pickup where the other scripture left them.

Blacks in America....blacks in Africa hold on to tradition to the point of extinction and uselessness. Again to the preachers....and ministers....WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.,,,,,WE HEARD THAT !!!!!

Wednesday, December 24th 2014 at 1:32AM
jamal Abraham

SUBJECT

To the PREACHERS OF RELIGION: WE ALREADY HEARD THAT ! SO WHAT NOW !

2 Billion Muslims say this ---- and IDENTIFY with this......

not 'blackWhite' racistIgnorance like this jamalWriter

....there has to be another book...another leader....another scripture....another writing to pickup where the other scripture left them. Blacks in AmericaWHAT YOU ARE SAYING.,,,,,WE HEARD THAT !!!!!

Wednesday, December 24th 2014 at 12:32AM
Jamal Abraham

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.......has jamalDeacon HEARD this.........

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Sûrat AzZumar
(The Different Groups, Communities, Families)
XXXIX

In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

2. We have sent down AlQur'aan to you Mohamed in truth:
So worship and obey Allâah by doing righteous deeds sincerely for Allâah only.

3. AdDeen of worship and obedience is for Allâah only.

Those who take Auliyâ’ (idols, lords, gods, intermediators) besides Him say:
"We worship them so that they may bring us near to Allâah."

Allâah will judge between them concerning their differences.
Allâah does NOT guide a Liar, and a disbeliever.

4. Had Allâah willed to take a son or offspring, He could have chosen any out of those whom He created.

Glory be to Him! He is above such things. He is Allâah, the One, the Irresistible.

5. He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth.

He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night.
He has commanded the sun and the moon to run on a fixed course for an appointed term.
He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.

32. Then, who does more wrong than one who utters a lie against Allâah, and denies the truth of AlQur’âan, the Prophet Mohamed and Monotheism!

Is there not in Hell an abode for the disbelievers?

33. Mohamed; who has received AlQur’âan and Monotheism and the true believers of Monotheism, those are AlMuttaqûn (the pious)

34. They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord.
That is the reward of Muhsinûn (doers of good deeds).

35. So that Allâah may take from them the evil of what they did and give them the reward, according to the best of what they have done.

36. Is not Allâah Sufficient for His slave?

Yet they try to frighten you with those whom they worship besides Him!

Who Allâah sends astray, for him there will be no guide.

37. Whom Allâah guides, for him there will be no misleader.
Is not Allâah All-Mighty, Possessor of Retribution?

38. And if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
They will say: "Allâah has created them."

Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allâah - if Allâah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm?

Or if Allâah intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say:

"Sufficient for me is Allâah; in Him those who Believe, must put their trust."

39. Say: Mohamed, "O My people!

Work according to your WAY, I am working according to my WAY. Then you will know

40. "To whom comes a disgracing torment, and on whom descends an everlasting torment."

41. We have sent down to Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم) AlQur’âan for Mankind in Truth.

So who ever accepts the guidance, it is only for his ownself, and who ever goes astray, he goes astray only for his loss.

You Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم are not a Wakîl ( disposer of affairs, judge) over them.[1]

Sûrat AlGhâfir or AlMû’min
(The Forgiving or The Believer) XL

In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

57. The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind does not understand.

78. Indeed We have sent Messengers before you Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم): of some of them We have related to you their story.[2]

And of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allâah. But, when comes the Commandment of Allâah, the matter will be decided with Truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost.
[1]

a) It is obligatory to have Belief in the Messengership of the Prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم.

Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه: Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "By Allâah, in Whose Hand Mohamed's soul is, there is none from among the Jews and the Christians and others, who hear about me and then dies without believing in the Message with which I have been sent of Islâamic Monotheism, but he will be from the dwellers of the Fire."
(Sahih Muslim , the Book of Faith, Vol.1, Hadith No.240).

b) The asking of Jibraeel (Gabriel) from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم about Belief, AlIslâam, Ihsân (perfection) and the knowledge of the Hour (Doomsday), and their explanation given to him by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. Then the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said to his companions: "Jibraeel (Gabriel) عليه السلام came to teach you your Faith." So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم regarded all that Deen. And all that which the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم explained to the delegation of ‘AbdûlQais was a part of faith. (See Sahih AlBukhâri, Vol.1, Hadîth No.50 and 87) And the Statement of Allâah عز وجل : "Who ever seeks a Faith other than AlIslaam, it will never be accepted of him." (3:85).

Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه :

One day while the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was sitting in the company of some people, Jibraeel (Gabriel) عليه السلام came and asked, "What is Faith?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "Faith is to believe in Allâah, His angels, the meeting with Him, His messengers, and to believe in Resurrection."

* Then he further asked,
"What is Islâam?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "To worship Allâah Alone and none else, to perform AsSalât (Iqamât-AsSalât), to give the Zakât and to observe Saum (fasts) during the month of Ramadhâan,"

** then he further asked,
"What is Ihsân (perfection)?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "To worship Allâah عز وجل as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you."
Then he further asked, "When will the Hour be?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its meaning and circumstance:

(1) When a female slave gives birth to her master.
(2) When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings.
And the Hour is one of the five things which nobody knows except Allâah.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم then recited: "The knowledge of the Hour is with Allâah (Alone)." (31:34). Then that man (Jibraeel عليه السلام) left and the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم asked his Companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "That was Jibraeel عليه السلام who came to teach the people their Faith."

Abu ‘Abdullâh رضي الله عنه said: He (the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) considered all that as a part of faith. (Sahih AlBukhâri, Vol.1, Hadîth No.47).

*In this Hadîth, only 4 articles are mentioned, while in another Hadîth, 6 articles are mentioned:
(i) Allâah;
(ii) His Angels;
(iii) His Books AtTaurat, AlInjeel, AlQur’âan and all the other Holy Books revealed by Allâah;
(iv) His Messengers,
(v) Day of Resurrection and
(vi) AlQadar (Divine Pre-ordainments), what ever Allâah has ordained, must come to pass.

**Again the principles of AlIslâam mentioned here are 4, but in other narrations, they are 5 - 5th is the pilgrimage (Hajj ) to Makkah for the one who can afford it once in a lifetime.

[2] (V.40:78)
There are many Prophets and Messengers of Allâah.
About twenty-five of them are mentioned in AlQur’aan; out of these twenty-five, only five are of strong will, namely:
Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم, Nûh (Noah), Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Mûsâ (Moses), and ‘ÎsâibnMaryam عليهم السلام .

Wednesday, December 24th 2014 at 8:33AM
robert powell

Robert,

All of this it just fine but it has nothing to do with the question or the answer you are trying to convey. These don't fit all.

Sûrat AzZumar
(The Different Groups, Communities, Families)
XXXIX

In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

1. The revelation of AlQur’âan is from Allâah, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

2. We have sent down AlQur'aan to you Mohamed in truth:
So worship and obey Allâah by doing righteous deeds sincerely for Allâah only.

3. AdDeen of worship and obedience is for Allâah only.

Those who take Auliyâ’ (idols, lords, gods, intermediators) besides Him say:
"We worship them so that they may bring us near to Allâah."

Allâah will judge between them concerning their differences.
Allâah does NOT guide a Liar, and a disbeliever.

4. Had Allâah willed to take a son or offspring, He could have chosen any out of those whom He created.

Glory be to Him! He is above such things. He is Allâah, the One, the Irresistible.

5. He has created the heavens and the earth with Truth.

He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night.
He has commanded the sun and the moon to run on a fixed course for an appointed term.
He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.

32. Then, who does more wrong than one who utters a lie against Allâah, and denies the truth of AlQur’âan, the Prophet Mohamed and Monotheism!

Is there not in Hell an abode for the disbelievers?

33. Mohamed; who has received AlQur’âan and Monotheism and the true believers of Monotheism, those are AlMuttaqûn (the pious)

34. They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord.
That is the reward of Muhsinûn (doers of good deeds).

35. So that Allâah may take from them the evil of what they did and give them the reward, according to the best of what they have done.

36. Is not Allâah Sufficient for His slave?

Yet they try to frighten you with those whom they worship besides Him!

Who Allâah sends astray, for him there will be no guide.

37. Whom Allâah guides, for him there will be no misleader.
Is not Allâah All-Mighty, Possessor of Retribution?

38. And if you ask them: "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
They will say: "Allâah has created them."

Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allâah - if Allâah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm?

Or if Allâah intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say:

"Sufficient for me is Allâah; in Him those who Believe, must put their trust."

39. Say: Mohamed, "O My people!

Work according to your WAY, I am working according to my WAY. Then you will know

40. "To whom comes a disgracing torment, and on whom descends an everlasting torment."

41. We have sent down to Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم) AlQur’âan for Mankind in Truth.

So who ever accepts the guidance, it is only for his ownself, and who ever goes astray, he goes astray only for his loss.

You Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم are not a Wakîl ( disposer of affairs, judge) over them.[1]

Sûrat AlGhâfir or AlMû’min
(The Forgiving or The Believer) XL

In the Name of Allâah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

57. The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind does not understand.

78. Indeed We have sent Messengers before you Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم): of some of them We have related to you their story.[2]

And of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allâah. But, when comes the Commandment of Allâah, the matter will be decided with Truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost.
[1]

a) It is obligatory to have Belief in the Messengership of the Prophet Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم.

Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه: Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "By Allâah, in Whose Hand Mohamed's soul is, there is none from among the Jews and the Christians and others, who hear about me and then dies without believing in the Message with which I have been sent of Islâamic Monotheism, but he will be from the dwellers of the Fire."
(Sahih Muslim , the Book of Faith, Vol.1, Hadith No.240).

b) The asking of Jibraeel (Gabriel) from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم about Belief, AlIslâam, Ihsân (perfection) and the knowledge of the Hour (Doomsday), and their explanation given to him by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. Then the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said to his companions: "Jibraeel (Gabriel) عليه السلام came to teach you your Faith." So the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم regarded all that Deen. And all that which the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم explained to the delegation of ‘AbdûlQais was a part of faith. (See Sahih AlBukhâri, Vol.1, Hadîth No.50 and 87) And the Statement of Allâah عز وجل : "Who ever seeks a Faith other than AlIslaam, it will never be accepted of him." (3:85).

Narrated Abu Hurairah رضي الله عنه :

One day while the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was sitting in the company of some people, Jibraeel (Gabriel) عليه السلام came and asked, "What is Faith?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "Faith is to believe in Allâah, His angels, the meeting with Him, His messengers, and to believe in Resurrection."

* Then he further asked,
"What is Islâam?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "To worship Allâah Alone and none else, to perform AsSalât (Iqamât-AsSalât), to give the Zakât and to observe Saum (fasts) during the month of Ramadhâan,"

** then he further asked,
"What is Ihsân (perfection)?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "To worship Allâah عز وجل as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you."
Then he further asked, "When will the Hour be?" Allâah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم replied, "The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its meaning and circumstance:

(1) When a female slave gives birth to her master.
(2) When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings.
And the Hour is one of the five things which nobody knows except Allâah.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم then recited: "The knowledge of the Hour is with Allâah (Alone)." (31:34). Then that man (Jibraeel عليه السلام) left and the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم asked his Companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "That was Jibraeel عليه السلام who came to teach the people their Faith."

Abu ‘Abdullâh رضي الله عنه said: He (the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) considered all that as a part of faith. (Sahih AlBukhâri, Vol.1, Hadîth No.47).

*In this Hadîth, only 4 articles are mentioned, while in another Hadîth, 6 articles are mentioned:
(i) Allâah;
(ii) His Angels;
(iii) His Books AtTaurat, AlInjeel, AlQur’âan and all the other Holy Books revealed by Allâah;
(iv) His Messengers,
(v) Day of Resurrection and
(vi) AlQadar (Divine Pre-ordainments), what ever Allâah has ordained, must come to pass.

**Again the principles of AlIslâam mentioned here are 4, but in other narrations, they are 5 - 5th is the pilgrimage (Hajj ) to Makkah for the one who can afford it once in a lifetime.

[2] (V.40:78)
There are many Prophets and Messengers of Allâah.
About twenty-five of them are mentioned in AlQur’aan; out of these twenty-five, only five are of strong will, namely:
Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم, Nûh (Noah), Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Mûsâ (Moses), and ‘ÎsâibnMaryam عليهم السلام .

Wednesday, December 24th 2014 at 10:57AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

Its easy to Cut and Paste. Ignorant Robert cuts passages of the Quran and Paste them in Comments....how much intellect is that....He does not use his words having to expose his true lack of knowledge power, rather he cuts and pastes passages from the Quran all day long..,

Again.....Quoting scripture from the Holy Quran and Bible is great....but we read it. The books have been here over 1000 years.....what now....Shall we chant the phrases....Black people in America at least needs to know what the hell to do to get out of the clutches of the white man. That's what black folk needs. Police are murdering black youth. More Black male are becoming gay. More black women are becoming hateful and evil to their race and giving up.

Going to the churches and hearing the same sermons only by different preachers or muslim not orchestrating plans to get out of hell is out of season, so we say to them WE HEARD THAT.....WE READ THAT......WHAT NEW YOU HAVE ?
Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 1:42AM
jamal Abraham

WHOO NELLIE, Stereotypical 'blackMan writing

........Its easy to Cut and Paste. Ignorant Robert cuts passages of the Quran and Paste them in Comments....how much intellect is that....He does not use his words having to expose his true lack of knowledge power, rather he cuts and pastes passages from the Quran all day long..,

Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 12:42AM
Jamal Abraham

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FIND my words above ---- in a translation of AlQur'aan!

I Read AlQur'aan in ARABIC and translate the Meanings into my 2nd Language English

I have READ many translations of AlQur'aan in French, Spanish and English.......

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More 'blackMen' like YOU that have had AlQur'aan in your HOUSE for 20-30 YEARS

----- SHOULD know some Original AfricanAsian Language Like ARABIC

you have called me a dimwit/moron, paster above

BUT

I will not return that description--- you are just a Stereotypical 'blackMan' to me

Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 1:17PM
robert powell

Organized religion was not here in the beginning...thank God....But, God found so desirous "for" a religion He gave us Islam. Giving humans Islam in essence gave man his own nature as his religion. That is what scientists do every day of their lives; study nature. The books; Holy Quran and Holy Bible...they were not here in the beginning; but what was here is the nature in which we live. Books come, books go but what remains is the nature in which we live. Books get superceeded by other books, but what remains is the nature in which we live. This is why to the preachers and ministers we say......WE HEARD THAT....WE READ THAT....NOW WHAT
Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 1:55PM
jamal Abraham

Brother Abraham,

I like to chime in on a few of your remarks because I feel that our job of bringing knowable, useful, proven, lifetime experiences and knowledge to the next generation just to let them know that as new believers in GOD, Allah, Yahweh, Elohim, Buddha that there is a power greater then themselves. That same wisdom we know, coming through it is greater and brand new to the next generation of our youth. It’s like learning you’re a ABC’s it, then you can teach, that in it’s self is a brand new experience, a brand new relationship with the most HIGH, That job is never over, always brand new.

It is our duty has Elders of our faith to keep that wisdom going and be continuously on guard for the false teachings. Like this for example. If I was not diligent in my Bible Studies and continuously understanding those words of what you said WE ALREADY HEARD THAT,....WE READ THAT....NOW WHAT I would have died and went to Heaven thinking that Cecil B. De-mille’s 1956 Biblical epic images of The Ten Commandments starting Charlton Heston as Moses and Yul Brynner as Rameses and Anne Baxter as Nefretiri all of which is the wrong image but for many both BLACK and White during the time of Moses, they would shout and swear to GOD that all those characters in the Bible was white people. We know a few here on this Blog, will tell you that even after the proof have been shown to them.

Now let me share something with you Brother Abraham, those images are still in my head as clear as day, just like I just got through watching it a few minutes ago, like when Moses/Heston stood on the rock to part the Res Sea just to mention a few white powerful images.

I got more but I will stop here for a moment.

Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 7:07PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

Deacon Gray......Sure, appreciate your reasoning of the value of the past. There are 3 phases to existence, though; there is the past, the present and the future. It is not the point of Abraham to trash the past....no way...but...my drive is for the future. Someone has to look out for the future or "that" civilization is doomed. Thus a scientist is a mercy to a culture looking at continuous improvement of the quality of life for the people he represents.

The past adds value to who we are and how we came to be. That, however, is just not enough. Passages you mention relating to Exodus and false portrayals of the ethnicity of the main characters are all important. My point is that OK but lets move on......Provide those with missions that take us to the next step with clear passages and walkways and byways...because the future is where we are headed less there is death.
Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 7:34PM
jamal Abraham

Brother Abraham.

Thank you for your quick reply. I have not had this much fun in quite a while with a free flowing dialog of ideas. As I was reading you reply, your words popped in my head of WE HEARD THAT....WE READ THAT....NOW WHAT again. Now as I read farther you said this lets move on......Provide those with missions that take us to the next step with clear passages and walkways and byways...because the future is where we are headed less there is death.

A passage came to mind what Yeshua told his disciples ‘
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.”

We are on one accord, the future is where we are headed so. It is time for those of us with the gift and the talents of understanding the spirit and the will of God, to step forward and teach, lead and be servants to the will of GOD. I believe that all of us have been given a personal gift and or talent from God to bring him the glory and that is our future, the time is now and it is our turn to inspire the imminent future for our youth. Can we afford to drop the ball now?

Thursday, December 25th 2014 at 9:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.