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Junious Ricardo Stanton
Things Aren't Much Different Today Than They Were In 1787

"In short, Beard said, the rich must, in their own interest, either control the government directly or control the laws by which government operates. Beard applied this general idea to the Constitution, by studying the economic backgrounds and political ideas of the fifty-five men who gathered in Philadelphia in 1787 to draw up the Constitution. He found that a majority of them were lawyers by profession, that most of them were men of wealth, in land, slaves, manufacturing, or shipping, that half of them had money loaned out at interest, and that forty of the fifty-five held government bonds, according to the records of the Treasury Department. Thus, Beard found that most of the makers of the Constitution had some direct economic interest in establishing a strong federal government: the manufacturers needed protective tariffs; the moneylenders wanted to stop the use of paper money to pay off debts; the land speculators wanted protection as they invaded Indian lands; slave owners needed federal security against slave revolts and runaways; bondholders wanted a government able to raise money by nationwide taxation, to pay off those bonds... Four groups, Beard noted, were not represented in the Constitutional Convention: slaves, indentured servants, women, men without property. And so the Constitution did not reflect the interests of those groups". A People's History of the United States 1492-Present by Howard Zinn page 83

Watching politicians, corporate leaders, the military, media talking heads lie, flip-flop, prevaricate, double speak and obfuscate the issues of the day, we might think this is a new phenomenon. Not so. In the US the politicians, educators, media and religious leaders have always lied, always sought to dupe the masses whom they look down upon and have always done whatever they thought they could get away with including murder to get what they wanted. America's political environment as seen in the current election cycle is demonstrating to the world just how disingenuous, corrupt and rigged the political process is and how candidates easily fall in line and acquiesce to the immorality and sleaze built into and endemic to the system.
Today two candidates stand in stark contrast to the business as usual okey-doke of the two major political parties. Bernie Sanders an avowed socialist who for years ran as an independent recently joined the Democratic Party to facilitate his run for the presidency. Sanders realized running as an independent or third party candidate would not be feasible because the American political system is a closed and rigid two party system that constructs formidable barriers to third party candidates. It takes more money for an independent or splinter party candidate to get on the ballot, often they have to go to court (which costs money) to even get on the ballot; or they are forced to go to court to fight challenges to their petitions for eligibility to run. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat but made the wide scale inequality and corruption of the US economic system and rigged election process the central theme of his campaign.
Unlike the Republicans who started off with sixteen announced candidates for the presidency, Sanders only had three other people running against him. One of them, Hillary Clinton was considered the lock to get the nomination due to her insider status as a globalist and advocate of neoliberal economic policies that benefit the one per cent crowd. Sanders has long railed against the trade policies Clinton supported but now tries to distance herself from! While a US Senator he has consistently spoken out against and warned about the increasing income and wealth disparity metastasizing throughout this country. Sanders has fashioned his presidential campaign message centering on this issue. For the most part, Sanders unlike most politicians has remained focused and unwavering on that part of his campaign while including issues such as justice system, campaign and election reform as part of his call for a "revolution" in US politics.
Using the word revolution has not endeared Sanders to the ruling class which is why the corporate media takes every opportunity to paint him as a wild eyed radical. Sander's opponent has been forced due to the huge crowds he draws, his unconventional message and his rising momentum during the recent primaries to obfuscate her corporatist voting record, flip-flop her previous positions and pretend she is a populous, that she is concerned about poor people.
When Hillary Clinton was confronted by the Black Lives Matter movement about mass incarceration she was forced to try to defend the indefensible, using the term "super predators" when she pushed for and supported her husband's 1994 Crime Bill. Clinton's bill was the legislation that augmented Nixon's 1971 and Reagan's 1980 War on drugs bills which created the mass incarceration of Black and Brown people. Clinton's bill especially fueled the rise of Wall Street stock market traded private prisons and the prison industrial complex Michelle Alexander calls the "New Jim Crow".
Clinton has attempted to use Barack Obama as her shield to deflect Sander's charge she took hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign and foundation funds from corporations and special interests groups by saying Obama took money from them too but did not concede anything to them; typical politician lies. Looking at the facts and you can see for yourself at www.opensecrets.com. Barack Obama took far more money from lawyers, the investment industry, universities and real estate than he did from small individual contributors (only 6%).
When you look at Obama's priorities and actions ,or lack thereof, you can connect the dots yourself. For example in 2007-2008 Obama took $ 1,205,736 from the investment industry (Wall Street, insurance, hedge funds etc). Is that why the Obama administration prosecuted not one Wall Street firm, not one bond rating company, not one hedge fund, not one insurance company or why no one from those industries went to jail for blowing up the global economy?! Yet he supported and pushed for supposed "affordable health care legislation" that was written in whole by the insurance company trade association! These are the facts whether you want to accept them or not.
This is the very thing Bernie Sanders and to a limited degree Donald Trump are talking about, the nexus between big money and government policy; how the big wigs control what happens that always accrues to their benefit.
This nexus goes back to the founding of this country. A White Anglo Saxon Protestant ruling elite created the constitutional government and societal institutions then used them to perpetuate and strengthen their wealth, position and power to the detriment and exclusion of the masses. Over the years with the influx of new ethnic groups who subsequently built their own economic power bases and used them to infiltrate the political process the WASPs no longer exclusively dominate the socio-economic and political landscape. African-Americans for the most part are still outlanders not having been able to penetrate the ruling elite other than as lackeys and sycophants of the system like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Eric Holder and Barack Obama.
The one thing that has remained constant is: the poor and working class hold no check or influence in public, national or international policy. "Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power. The two professors came to this conclusion after reviewing answers to 1,779 survey questions asked between 1981 and 2002 on public policy issues. They broke the responses down by income level, and then determined how often certain income levels and organised interest groups saw their policy preferences enacted. "A proposed policy change with low support among economically elite Americans (one-out-of-five in favour) is adopted only about 18% of the time," they write, "while a proposed change with high support (four-out-of-five in favour) is adopted about 45% of the time." On the other hand: When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organised interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it. They conclude: Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened." Study: US is an oligarchy not a democracy. http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers...
If you are reading this and saying tell me something I don't already know, then my question to you is what are you doing in light of this reality? I ask this because in the past there were countless rebellions, riots, strikes, shut downs and other forms of resistance to ruling class exploitation and control from colonial times to the modern era, Beacon's Rebellion 1676, Shay's Rebellion 1786, Nat Turner 1831, emigration, Civil War Draft riots, the Homestead Pa. Steel Strike in 1892, the Minnesota Food Riots of 1932, the Civil Rights and Black Power Movements, Deacons for Justice and Defense in the 1960's, the Occupy Wall Street Movement of 2011, the Bundy standoff of 2016 to cite just a few.
The question is what are you/we going to do about the present situation? Are you one of the millions who doesn't vote or even keep up with current events? Are you a reformer seeking to bring about true justice and inclusivity in a corrupt divided society? Are you seeking to enter headlong into the burning and collapsing house that is modern America? Or are you trying to figure out how to survive the immanent collapse and build a morally viable and humane community of like minded people who know we can do and be better?

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John Kasich didn't even get the minimum easy major party requirement of 2000 signatures to get on the ballot in PA.
Monday, April 18th 2016 at 6:38PM
Steve Williams
Kasich is not a real factor. Unless there is major voter fraud the establishment Republicans won't do well in the East (NY, Pa, New Jersey and Maryland) The ruling class is trying their best to "Dump Trump" and they may pull it off but it will expose the total corruption and farce of the US electoral process. The last thing the oligarchy wants is open rebellion or the masses knowing the system is totally rigged. That could lead to clashes with the feds, police, sheriffs and military we have witnessed over the years like Waco, Ruby Ridge and the Bundy standoff. While they have the FEMA and Army Labor Camps already set up, the time is not right/ripe for martial law yet. They have to prep white people psychologically to accept being zombies and total sheep awaiting to be fleeced and slaughtered by the state.
Monday, April 18th 2016 at 9:22PM
Junious Stanton
Mr. Guest Visitor,

I understand the gist and sentiment of your feelings from the texts of your blog. For example, here is a passage from your blog
"When Hillary Clinton was confronted by the Black Lives Matter movement about mass incarceration she was forced to try to defend the indefensible, using the term "super predators" when she pushed for and supported her husband's 1994 Crime Bill. Clinton's bill was the legislation that augmented Nixon's 1971 and Reagan's 1980 War on drugs bills which created the mass incarceration of Black and Brown people. Clinton's bill especially fueled the rise of Wall Street stock market traded private prisons and the prison industrial complex Michelle Alexander calls the "New Jim Crow".

This passage to me spells out the terrible lives we Black Americans has been living and we; cry about it, whine about it and complain about it all the time like you are doing now!

So, I am personally asking you for the second time what would you say is our that is Black America's permanent solution? I have always said that I will permanent solution is to become a sovereign people in a country of our own as I have outlined this country.

You avoided answering me for whatever personal reasons you have, but I think my question to you is legitimate. Again, what would you say I will permanent solution is?

May be you may feel that I have you boxed in that you would have to agree with me, but you can't bring yourself to admit that I am right because of your false pride. And, you shouldn't beat yourself up like that just because I am smarter and wiser than you are. I am wise and smarter because I am your prophet! God has made me smart!

We Black Americans are going to become a free and sovereign people in a country of our own before I pass away. That is my prophecy and it is a good prophecy!
Monday, April 18th 2016 at 9:34PM
Harry Watley
There is no permanent solution to white psychopathy and violence. The Aryans have been at it, first among and against their own kind then against aboriginal people for thousands of years.And based upon present world events, they are not about to stop any time soon.
I hate to break this to you, but your "solution" of sovereignty is not new. In fact you are several decades late to the party. The Nation of Islam, the New Republic of AfriKa and even the Black Panther party all called for land and sovereignty here in North AmeriKKKa back in the 1950's and 60's. Where is their nation? Have you ever heard of COINTELPRO? Probably not.
The Honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey called for Africans world wide to establish a base in Africa in the early 1900's. Prior to that many Africans in AmeriKKKa emigrated back to Africa, or other places like South America or Nova Scotia to escape the insanity of AmeriKKKa. The Exodusters left the South following the War Between the States to establish self-governing towns in the US Mid-West and West (most of these settlements no longer even exist). I live in an historic incorporated self-governing Black town in New Jersey so black folks governing themselves albeit within the confines of AmeriKKKa is nothing new. Even in Africa and the Caribbean the so called nation states there are really only facsimiles of European governance and since they all are based upon European values they are totally corrupt just like Europe and here. All of them are under the neo-colonial yoke of the West. Again our idea is not new they have been tried before.
The questions is where on Earth is anyone safe from these pale skinned maniacs? They invade lands, bomb, poison and destroy "sovereign" nations every day. This is not to say we don't deserve independence and freedom we do, the reality is even when we work towards sovereignty the Europeans would pose the greatest existential threat to humanity and the planet there is. You have your work cut out for you convincing people to follow your ideas and lead. I suggest you put more thought into it than you've demonstrated in your posts on this platform.
Monday, April 18th 2016 at 10:39PM
Junious Stanton
Great points... TEACH.


Monday, April 18th 2016 at 11:09PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

SUBJECT

Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

I guess NOT....we STILL use the MINDS of those of 1787 to DETERMINE our LAWS.......

The MINDS of MALES....not men....that WOULD rape, use "psychopathy....violence"... to their Relatives and then Sell their children from their INCESTUAL relations to be raped and tortured........

and then the MONSTERIZED Minds of male/female that where the "psychopathied and source of paganChristian pleasured violence" becoming FREE to WORSHIP that Evil, racistlyIgnorant paganBelief......

guestVisitor to BIA suggests.......

".....There is no permanent solution to white psychopathy and violence....."

OF COURSE there is a SOLUTION ....... STOP the paganChristian belief.......and BE FREE...............


Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 8:23AM
robert powell
Mr. Guest Visitor,

So, you think and believe that there is no permanent solution for us Black Americans from the White psychopathy and violence. Your feelings expresses no hope for Black Americans. How sad and troubling that you should feel that there is no future for you because that is the definition of hope; hope is a desire accompanied by expectation of fulfillment.
You supported your irrational opinion when you asked, "where on earth is anyone safe from these pale skinned maniacs?" This irrational opinion says that God is less than the pale skinned maniacs.

I would like to give you the opportunity to reverse yourself and keep hope alive! Hope is one of the qualities that God gave humanity.



You said that I am no different from Mr. Garvey, Elijah Muhammad and the Black Panther party. They spoke of a sovereign nation and nothing became of it. So, why should anything be different with me, Prophet Harry. That is a rational and legitimate question. But, if I am to answer your question you must have hope to understand my answer.

A permanent solution means that you are free from and it won't happen ever again. If it didn't happen for Mr. Garvey and Elijah but will happen for me you should immediately realize that there is something extraordinarily different about me and not about Mr. Garvey and Elijah!

Firstly, Mr. Garvey was not a Black American as we are. Mr. Garvey was a Jamaican from Jamaica. Black Americans must have a Black American leader!
Elijah Muhammad was a Black American, but he was ignorant when he converted to Islam and the Arabian way and Elijah was not an Arab man. Elijah was very ignorant!

What say you?
Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 9:14AM
Harry Watley
We are in a war for our survival. Robert Powell is on the right track. If you look at how and when Africans defeated the Aryans and Arabs it was either when we were in Africa and had a collective sovereign unity and an effective military organization or throughout the Diaspora when we rallied around our Africaness, our culture, our spiritual and metaphysical traditions which provided a sense of unity, purpose coupled with a winning military precision and strategy. We see this when we study the Quilombos, Maroons and the Haitian revolution. In the US armed struggles proved ineffective because for the most part we were outnumbered, or out gunned and often were betrayed by our own people. We did defend ourselves the Deacons for Defense and Justice and the Black Panthers are two examples.
We have to regain a sense of unity and purpose and a goal similar to the fervent drive of the Nationalist and Civil Rights movements that galvanized our people to resist cold blooded killers and maniacs. We must learn the lessons from COINTELPRO and Operation Chaos how the ruling class will stop at nothing and use every tool to maintain their hegemony and control. COINTELPRO was illegal but post 9-11 those tactics are part of the state's control agenda and now they have enhanced intelligence gathering and surveillance technology. So we have to be sober, extra vigilant and resourceful.
Mr Watley is woefully uninformed, obviously delusional and suffers from the need to put people like Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad down who accomplished far more than he ever will. So sad.
Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 10:02AM
Junious Stanton
Mr. Guest Visitor,

After you said that there is no hope for us Black Americans from the pale skinned maniacs or escape I struggle to understand your argument of COINTELPRO and your purpose to make an argument unless you have a change of mine that God can deliver Black Americans as God delivered the Children of Israel in the land of Pharaoh!

So have you reversed your feelings that there is hope for Black Americans. Mr. Garvey and Mr. Elijah Muhammad always thought that there was hope for Black Americans. Why don't you think that there is hope for Black Americans and you are a Black American yourself.

You have a psychological problem since you don't have hope for yourself!
Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 1:19PM
Harry Watley

There was some questions on the floor which I have not heard anyone who had anything to say, have not address yet. Steven, you have not addressed the issues.

Robert, being a Christian or not is not addressing this issue.

Harry, you have not done a thing to address this issue.

The question on the floor is: If you are reading this and saying tell me something I don't already know, then my question to you is what are you doing in light of this reality?

The question is what are you/we going to do about the present situation? Are you one of the millions who doesn't vote or even keep up with current events?

Are you a reformer seeking to bring about true justice and inclusivity in a corrupt divided society?

Are you seeking to enter headlong into the burning and collapsing house that is modern America? Or are you trying to figure out how to survive the immanent collapse and build a morally viable and humane community of like minded people who know we can do and be better?

Let us stay on this topic and not take this inportant, timely, information to our own personal agendas and lose the very essence of this blog.

Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 5:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

There was some questions on the floor which I have not heard anyone who had anything to say, have not address yet. Steven, you have not addressed the issues.

Robert, being a Christian or not is not addressing this issue.

Harry, you have not done a thing to address this issue.

The question on the floor is: If you are reading this and saying tell me something I don't already know, then my question to you is what are you doing in light of this reality?

The question is what are you/we going to do about the present situation? Are you one of the millions who doesn't vote or even keep up with current events?

Are you a reformer seeking to bring about true justice and inclusivity in a corrupt divided society?

Are you seeking to enter headlong into the burning and collapsing house that is modern America? Or are you trying to figure out how to survive the immanent collapse and build a morally viable and humane community of like minded people who know we can do and be better?

Let us stay on this topic and not take this inportant, timely, information to our own personal agendas and lose the very essence of this blog.

Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 5:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Sure I addressed the issue Ron. As Mr. Stanton points out the corrupted party system you are party to.
Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 6:21PM
Steve Williams
Which of those questions did you answer?

Which one of these issues have you addressed?


Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 7:22PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Mr. Ron,

Why do you continuously ask me the same questions over and over again? Anyway, I will answer each one again!

You ask, "If you are reading this and saying tell me something I don't already know, then my question to you is what are you doing in light of this reality?"

ANS. my divine task as your prophet is to lighten you the things that you are wrong about and permanent fixing of these things.
For instance, you are wrong about your belief system. The Jewish Jesus is nothing to you and we are not his people since Jesus and us are racially different!

Next you ask, what are you/we going to do about the present situation?
ANS. You shall learn all you can from me and come over to my side and helped me to raise the rest of our people preparing us to hit the ground running when the time comes for me to receive the seven states to become our country from White America.

Next you ask, am I one of the millions who doesn't vote or even keep up with current events?
I don't vote! Since I stand for my own freedom and sovereignty from White America and I, Prophet Harry represents all Black Americans voting in the electorial system and process of White America is saying that I don't believe God has met with me eight years ago and communicated the things to me that I know that I did not know before hand and that I don't believe God when God communicated to me White America will hand over to me/us the seven Confederate states to be our country I often writes about!

Next you ask, am I a reformer seeking to bring about true justice and inclusivity in a corrupt divided society?
ANS. I am not a reformer of Black Americans. An reformer implies that Black Americans were something in the past. This is the first time Black Americans are going to be something since God has charged me to resurrect Black Americans.
Resurrecting Black Americans is the opposite of looking for justice and inclusivity in a corrupt and divided society of White America since Black Americans and White Americans are two racially different people. In all the years I've been saying the same thing shows that you do not take an honest effort to understand what I'm saying since you would ask me is inclusivity my intentions! You are damn STUPID!




Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 8:07PM
Harry Watley
No No Dim One,

I have not asked your one topic understanding a thing. This blog is about "Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787" and nothing about me. Did you read this blog with understanding? If you did, you would have known that these questions was for the readers of this blog and not to promote you or your one topic issue. This is how you try to Hi-Jack this very formative topic into some delusional fantasy of your one track mind.

You remember one thing KNUCKLEHEAD, I have not asked you a thing but I challenged you to stay on topic and you can't do a simple task as that. That is a shame that you let your emotions over rule what little mind that you have remaining to misdirect other people with. What a shame...






Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 10:43PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Mr. Ron,

I am not interested in arguing with you. I am very interested in having an honest and upright dialogue with the Guest Visitor!

I asked the Guest Visitor what does he thinkI our permanent solution is based on this blog of him being a whiner and a constant complainer.
His answer was that there is no permanent solution or escape from the pale skin maniacs (White American people).

I find his answer very troubling. He is actually saying that there is no hope for Black Americans from White American people he refers to as pale skin maniacs. Yet, he wants to have a positive voice in the affairs of Black Americans and that is what is very troubling to me. He has no hope for Black Americans from the pale skin maniacs yet he wants to have a voice of direction in the affairs of Black Americans!

Your problem Mr. Ron is fighting with the messenger (Prophet Harry) when your attention should be on the message! So, I am not interested in arguing with you. You need to focus on my first divine revelation that prophets are racially different and therefore there is no Black American prophet in the White man's KJV of the Christian Bible that you use for your spiritual directions. You are wrong to have the White man's KJV Bible and spiritual foundation as your own when you are not a White man! You are wrong from the very beginning and you refuse to change and be converted to the words of God spoken by your very first genuine Black American Prophet Harry!
Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 4:35AM
Harry Watley
Then HARRY you need to wait on Guest Visitor's reply.


Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 6:40AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Mr. Deacon,

You are 110% correct!
Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 7:52AM
Harry Watley
You Are Welcome...


Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 8:16AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

SUBJECT

Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

I guess NOT....we STILL use the MINDS of those of 1787 to DETERMINE our LAWS.......

Steven, you have not addressed the issues.

Robert, being a Christian or not is not addressing this issue.

Tuesday, April 19th 2016 at 5:03PM
Deacon Ron Gray

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The Mentality of the slave is Protect the master...as 'blackHebrewIsraelite' ALWAYS does......

-------'blackHebrewIsraelite' asks hisSTEVEN for insight on 1787 paganChristian Racist Europeans.....

-------'blackHebrewIsraelite' DOES not ADDRESS the Author of this blog, guestVisitor

-------'blackHebrewIsraelite' BELIEVES that the 1787 kingJamesVersion of paganChristianity is NOT a factor OF 1787-2016.....permanent "white" psychopathy and violence on the African Asian, or non"whiteAmerican"

yes 'blackHebrewIsraelite' .........STOP the 1787 kingJamesIST..........and BE FREE............... yes 'blackHebrewIsraelite' .........STOP the paganChristian belief.......and BE FREE...............




Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 8:23AM
robert powell
Please BOBBY don't get me started on the heathens in the Islamic slave trade and the killings, raping, and the S E X trade of young under age Black Girls that they buy and sell to this very day. I don't have to go back to 1787 I can go back before Prophet Muhammad (570-632 CE) some 1300 years to the present day.

These heathens are far worse and for a longer time in the history of mankind of atrocities done to black men and women who refuse to convert to Islam, those Murderous, Rapist, Lethal, Cruel, Vicious, Homicidal hooligans and thugs who have made a mockery of Prophet Muhammad's teachings for mere financial gain.

The Islamic hands are not clean in this matter neither. Those sad B A S T A R D S that will cut off heads in the name of Islam, and in the name of Allah, today. Don't get me started BOBBY, because I don't support senseless brutality, I don't care when it happened in the past or in the present day. It is WRONG!!!

Let us stay on this topic of importance Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

Brother Guest Visitor please forgive me for deviating off topic a bit.


Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 10:30AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
Except for the Ethiopian Coptic form of Christianity, Christianity was created and promoted to be an imperialist vehicle for the Romans then later the other European elites to control their empire and the barbarian hordes who migrated into Europe from Eurasia during and after the fall of Rome from 300 AD onward.
Arabs are not our friends either. Like Christianity Islam has been used as a tool of conquest and subjugation. In fact their ruthless invasions and brutality predate the Europeans slave trade by 900 years! The Arab slave trade was brutal they castrated African men and used African women as concubines and s*xual toys. The mortality rate was worse under Arab slavery than European!
As I alluded to earlier we have to base our liberation struggle on African cosmology, values, world view and spiritual orientation not those of our proven enemies. We have to study and learn the lessons from the past and adapt them to our present situations. We are in a life and death struggle for the minds and soul of humanity and to save our planet from utter defilement and destruction by psychopaths. We don't have time to engage in delusional grandiosity, pseudo intellectual discourse and bogus arguments. Now is the time for real study, holistic multi layered analysis, deprogramming, unity and serious collective action. As adults we should be able to disagree and not resort to personal or ideological attacks.
Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 10:58AM
Junious Stanton
Agreed and well put...


Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 11:45AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.

SUBJECT

Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

I guess NOT....we STILL use the MINDS of those of 1787 to DETERMINE our FACTS??????

the RACISTLY IGNORANT 'blackHebrewIsraelite' ONLY has ONE BIA....thought

....1787 RACISTLY ignorant...paganChristian ANTI ISLAAMIC Falsehood with this overOver LIE

".... Please BOBBY don't get me started on the heathens in the Islamic slave trade and the killings, raping, and the S E X trade of young under age Black Girls that they buy and sell to this very day. I don't have to go back to 1787 I can go back before Prophet Muhammad (570-632 CE) some 1300 years to the present day.

These heathens are far worse and for a longer time in the history of mankind of atrocities done to black men and women who refuse to convert to Islam, those Murderous, Rapist, Lethal, Cruel, Vicious, Homicidal hooligans and thugs who have made a mockery of Prophet Muhammad's teachings for mere financial gain.

The Islamic hands are not clean in this matter neither. Those sad B A S T A R D S that will cut off heads in the name of Islam, and in the name of Allah, today. Don't get me started BOBBY, because I don't support senseless brutality, I don't care when it happened in the past or in the present day. It is WRONG!!!

Let us stay on this topic of importance Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

Brother Guest Visitor please forgive me for deviating off topic a bit.

Wednesday, April 20th 2016 at 10:30AM
Deacon Ron Gray

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'blackWhiteRedHEBREWisraelite'

.....THIS is BIA, an African American Family site that SHATTERS the olde Misconceptions of the past

but in 2016

-----you BELIEVE....????? that AlIslaam is WORSE, than europeanRacist paganChristian......slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964) for the African American Family History....

STOP your 'blackWhiteHEBREWisaraelite' .... 'whiteSupremist' LYING, FRAUD....




Thursday, April 21st 2016 at 8:23AM
robert powell
Mr. Guest visitor,

Honestly, I don't know how to respond to anything you say since you said that there is no permanent solution from White American people you referred to as pale skin psychopath maniacs. I understood this statement to mean that there is no hope for Black Americans.

I was forced to ask myself the question how do I communicate with another Black American man who feels that he has no hope, no escape and no permanent solution from the pale skin psychopath White American maniacs when I have told you that our only permanent solution is that we must desire to become a sovereign people in a country of our own with our own prophet, religion and spiritual book!

What I am saying has precedents. It happened with Prophet Moses and the children of Israel.

Now, how do I talk to you Mr. Guest Visitor when you feel Black Americans has no permanent solution when I've already given you one which is the desire to be a sovereign people in a country of our own.

Thursday, April 21st 2016 at 9:28AM
Harry Watley

SUBJECT

Things Aren't That Much Different Now Than They Were In 1787

I guess NOT....we STILL use the MINDS of those of 1787 to DETERMINE our FACTS??????

the RACISTLY IGNORANT paganChristian thought of guestVisitor..thought

"......are not our friends either. Like Christianity Islam has been used as a tool of conquest and subjugation......The mortality rate was worse under Arab slavery than European! ......."

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WHAT NONSENSE!
WHAT LYIN!
WHAT NO FACTS!

WHAT....no African Asian would agree to your LYIN

....as MOST African Asian NATIONS in 2016 are ISLAAMIC nations and have been for 1400+YEARS

your thinking is for WHO?

African American Families? ..... OR African Asian Families? ...... OR 'whiteSupremist' RACIST NONSENSE

NO, no and noNo.....you like the 'blackWhiteRedHEBREWisraelite' ENABLE the slaveEDUCATED......europeanPagan Christian Racist 'whiteSupremist' Believers.

PROVE your writing.....NOBODY.....guest of WHO?

Wednesday, May 4th 2016 at 8:18AM
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