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Meet Trump VP Pick Mike Pence, Crusader Against Safe Legal Abortion and LGBTQ Rights Democracy Now!
http://democracynow.org - We look at the record of Donald Trump and his running mate, Indiana Governor Mike Pence, on LGBT rights and restricting women’s access to reproductive healthcare with Dawn Laguens, executive vice president and chief experience officer of Planned Parenthood Federation of America and the Planned Parenthood Action Fund. In 2015, Pence signed into law the highly controversial anti-LGBT Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which gave businesses license to discriminate against LGBT people. The law caused a nationwide backlash. Dozens of companies and professional sports teams and leagues, including the Indianapolis-headquartered NCAA, threatened to boycott Indiana. Apple CEO Tim Cook slammed the law, likening it to the Jim Crow laws of the American South. Ultimately, Pence was forced to enact a revision specifying the law does not authorize anti-LGBT discrimination. As governor, Pence also oversaw a cut in Planned Parenthood funding in the state and signed legislation, since blocked, that would have restricted abortion access statewide. In 2011, he threatened to shut down the entire government if Congress didn’t defund Planned Parenthood.
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First off all Steven, who in the hell to you think you are calling anyone names. I will not engage in that low life, mud sling, name calling on my blog's period.
This blog of yours
What's the difference between a lesbian and a queer? Monday, August 15th 2016 at 9:35PM Steve Williams | delete | block member
and this one too,
That's not a difference, that's a sameness. Do you know any queers Ron? Monday, August 15th 2016 at 10:37PM Steve Williams | delete | block member
have been deleted from this blog by me, by Deacon Ron Gray. Now if you want to comment on the content of why Mike Pence, Crusader Against Safe Legal Abortion and LGBTQ Rights, the floor is open.
LGBT, LGBTQ, LGBTQA, TBLG: These acronyms refer to Lesbian, Gay, Bis*xual, Transgender, Queer or Questioning, and As*xual or Ally. Although all of the different identities within “LGBT” are often lumped together (and share s*xism as a common root of oppression), there are specific needs and concerns related to each individual identity.
Queer 101: Identity, Inclusion, and Resources Over the last 50 years, language around s*xuality and gender has shifted and changed in incredible ways. New words have been born; other words have changed meanings and usages. One of the more complex of these words is queer, a word that entered the language of s*xuality and gender as a derogatory term but is now worn and embraced with pride by many.
Defining Queer
Queer is a multi-faceted word that is used in different ways and means different things to different people. Here are some ways that queer is used today:
Queer (adj.): attracted to people of many genders Although dominant culture tends to dictate that there are only two genders, gender is actually far more complex. Queer can be a label claimed by a person who is attracted to men, women, genderqueer people, and/or other gender nonconforming people. Queer (adj.): not fitting cultural norms around s*xuality and/or gender identity/expression Similarly to the above, queer can be a label claimed by a person who feels that they personally don’t fit into dominant norms, due to their own gender identity/expression, their s*xual practices, their relationship style, etc. Queer (adj.): non-heteros*xual Queer is sometimes used as an umbrella term to refer to all people with non-heteros*xual s*xual orientations or all people who are marginalized on the basis of s*xual orientation. Queer (adj.): transgressive, revolutionary, anti-assimilation, challenging of the status quo Many people claim the label queer as a badge of honor that has a radical, political edge. UU seminarian Elizabeth Nguyen has preached: “Queer, for many folks, is about resistance—resisting dominant culture’s ideas of ‘normal,’ rejoicing in transgression, celebrating the margins, reveling in difference, blessing ourselves.” Queer (n.): an epithet or slur for someone perceived to be gay or lesbian Queer is still sometimes used as a derogatory term. Many people who have had the word queer used against them are understandably very uncomfortable with the word. 10 Ways to be More Welcoming and Inclusive of Queer People
Respect queer as a valid s*xual orientation and identity label. If you personally have negative associations with the word queer, find ways to open yourself to new understandings of the word. Do personal, gentle, deep work in order to honor and respect those who use queer to describe themselves. Include the word queer in the language you use to talk about s*xual orientation and gender identity: “lesbian, gay, bis*xual, transgender, and queer” or “LGBTQ.” Avoid making assumptions based on your perceptions of a person’s gender or the gender of the people they partner with—open yourself to the possibility that any person, of any age, might identify as queer. Learn more about queer identity on your own. You might start by reading at least two articles or books that increase your understanding of queer identity. Dominant culture teaches us to depend on dualisms; challenge yourself to eradicate dualisms from your language and your understanding of the world. Gay and straight, masculine and feminine, black and white: all dualisms obscure so many shades of grey, shades of queer, shades of androgyny and fluidity. Open yourself to this infinite variety. Use terms that encompass all genders rather than only two (e.g., “children” instead of “boys and girls”; “people” instead of “women and men”; “siblings,” “kindred,” or “brothers and sisters and siblings of all genders” instead of “brothers and sisters”). Expand the ways that s*xual orientation is understood and discussed in your congregation beyond the idea that s*xual orientation is a born-in, static trait. Although many people believe themselves to have been born lesbian, gay, bis*xual, queer, or straight, others experience s*xuality as fluid and changing throughout their lifetime. Honor this diversity of experience through the ways you talk and teach about s*xual orientation. Do continuing education for your congregation at large on bis*xual and queer issues. See below for resource suggestions. Queerness is often located at the margins. Consider how your congregation’s welcome, advocacy, witness, and/or service around LGBTQ issues can be more grounded in the experiences and needs of those who are most marginalized, such as queer and trans youth, queer and trans people of color, and undocumented queer and trans immigrants.
Avoid making assumptions based on your perceptions of a person’s gender or the gender of the people they partner with—open yourself to the possibility that any person, of any age, might identify as queer.
Tuesday, August 16th 2016 at 1:57PM
Steve Williams
Learn more about queer identity on your own. You might start by reading at least two articles or books that increase your understanding of queer identity.
Tuesday, August 16th 2016 at 2:00PM
Steve Williams
"......Open yourself to this infinite variety.
Use terms that encompass all genders rather than only two (e.g., “children” instead of “boys and girls”; “people” instead of “women and men”; “siblings,” “kindred,” or “brothers and sisters and siblings of all genders” instead of “brothers and sisters”)....."
Tuesday, August 16th 2016 at 1:45PM Steve Williams
Let us talk about Mike Pence history for a moment.
Mike Pence’s Abysmal Record On Women’s Issues Is As Bad As It Gets Kylie Cheung @kylietcheung | July 14, 2016 - 7:07 pm
Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump has a well-deserved reputation for running his big, misogynistic mouth and proposing policies detrimental to women’s health. Fitting, then, that he should select Indiana Governor and Tea Party conservative Mike Pence for his running mate according to The New York Times’ and many other outlets’ reports Thursday. Governor Pence’s record on women’s health issues is frankly leagues and bounds more terrifying than Trump’s irritating, s*xist remarks and ignorant proposals pandering to anti-choice voters. Pence has repeatedly signed into law terrible women’s health policies in Indiana, and we’ve gotten to see their disturbing results throughout his state. It’s painful just to imagine what this would look like on a national level, which is within the realm of possibility should Trump, by some nightmarish miracle, snag the presidency. From measures regulating abortion that he’s signed into law, to defunding Planned Parenthood and closing clinics, to refusing to support equal pay, that Pence has been a disaster for Indiana women — and would be a disaster for American women as vice president — is no exaggeration. Here’s where Pence stands on these critical women’s issues:
On Abortion Policies
Earlier this year, Pence signed a measure into law prohibiting women from having abortions because of the fetus’ race, gender, or disabilities like down syndrome, and Indiana became only the second state to enact such a measure. It’s worth noting this law, like others similar to it, offered no funding or proposals with regard to how individuals born with severe disabilities could be taken care of, in life. According to Mother Jones, regulations like this are predominantly opposed by the medical community. Even fellow Republicans, like state Representative Sharon Negele, bashed the bill, as it included “no education” and “no funding” and was “just penalties.” Additionally, the measure holds doctors legally liable for “wrongful death” for performing abortions for any of these reasons, problematically associating abortion with murder and winding us back 100 years by once again making abortion a punishable offense. Fortunately, the law was ultimately blocked last month by the Supreme Court. The Daily Beast reports that during his more than 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, Pence repeatedly voted for strict anti-abortion measures, too, which his voting record corroborates. Unsurprisingly, he holds a 0 percent approval rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America.
While famous for allowing discrimination against the LGBTQ community, the Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, supported by Pence, could also technically enable health care providers to deny women access to abortion, much like the Conscience Protection Act being floated by Congress.
Also worth noting, Indiana University recently sued the state for restricting “academic freedom by criminalizing the acquisition or transfer of fetal tissue used for research” in the wake of controversy surrounding Planned Parenthood donating tissue to research last summer. On the surface, this doesn’t appear to be a gendered issue, until you consider how fetal tissue research, which historically led to the discovery of a cure for polio and could potentially lead to many breakthroughs today, was supported by Republicans until placed in the context of women being able to make reproductive choices.
On Access To s*xual Health Care
Pence dramatically cut Planned Parenthood funding in his state. This led to several clinics providing crucial services regarding s*xually transmitted infections closing, and this led to a terrifying HIV outbreak in Scott County, Indiana. Pence became Governor in 2013, and by 2014, state funding for Planned Parenthood was half what it had been in 2005, according to Mother Jones. Additionally, five clinics, none of which even provided abortions but tested for STIs, were closed. In their pathological hatred for the basic medical procedure of abortion, conservatives like Pence often forget how much Planned Parenthood contributes to public health aside from abortion, from STI testing to breast cancer screenings.
On Supreme Court Appointees
Indiana is one of few states that allows governors to appoint justices to the state Supreme Court, and we received a rare and telling glimpse of the kind of SCOTUS justices Pence would probably hand his support to when he appointed lawyer Geoffrey Slaughter in May. As President, Trump would have the ultimate say in who got to be a justice, and has already made it clear he’d support anti-choice conservatives. However, since SCOTUS justices have so much power in determining the outcomes of women’s health and other gender issues, it’s worth noting the kind of people Pence would endorse.
While Slaughter’s stances on abortion and other women’s health issues remain unclear, Slaughter has received high praise from radically conservative news outlet Breitbart and fellow conservatives like Kelly Shackelford, president of First Liberty Institute and a strong proponent for the conservative brand of “religious freedom,” aka the right to unabashedly impose anti-choice values on women.
Shackelford told Breitbart Slaughter had “an excellent reputation as a constitutional conservative who reveres the First Amendment,” and applauded his “principles.”
On Workplace Equality
Pence voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which offers women more leverage in suing for pay discrimination, three times while in Congress. While Pence was governor, the Indiana Democratic Party notes Indiana women still make 73 cents to every one dollar earned by their male counterparts, notably lower than the national average median of women’s pay compared to men’s, and at a time of record high unemployment. Additionally, women in Indiana work two out of every three minimum wage jobs offered throughout the state. In 2014, Indiana House Democrats proposed an amendment creating a commission to look into the gender pay disparity in the state, but this attempt was blocked. Pence’s stances on paid family leave and the rights of mothers in the workplace remain unclear. However, as previously mentioned, Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which he supports, technically enables employers or health care providers to deny women access to reproductive health services like abortion if they morally oppose it.
Where President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have vocally spoken out against the wage gap and also supported measures to address it, for all Trump’s big talk about how great he’d be for women, women who have worked with him share overwhelmingly negative experiences. Given his poor record on advancing workplace equality, it’s unlikely Pence would balance Trump out.
Ron, do you think a wedding photography husband and wife team, who are Christian, who believe the Bible is the literal Word of God, should be subject to a lawsuit if they decline to photograph a same-s-ex marriage?
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 4:37AM
Steve Williams
That is a good question Steve.
If you are in the business of photography and a gay couple attempts to hire you and you believe the Bible is the literal Word of God, should be subject to a lawsuit if they decline to photograph a same-s.e.x. marriage, then you need to get out of that business.
Steven, I also believe that you should be open for a law suit and you need to reexamine your faith.
See Steven I may not like the practice but not the people. I have the power to engage in the homos*xual practice or not. We all are sinners and all have sinned. Not one of us is above sin, no not one. Also when I look back in The Holy Bible I find what the Bible has to say about homos*xuality. The short answer is: not much.
The longer answer requires understanding that sacred texts are given meaning through interpretation; these interpretations change over time and can also vary within any particular period. The Hebrew Bible—what Christians call the Old Testament—does mention and condemn same-s*x s*xual behavior, but only three times, twice in Leviticus (18:22 and 20:13) and once in Genesis (19:1–11), in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. In the New Testament, homos*xual acts might be mentioned, depending on the interpretation, in Paul’s letter to the Romans condemning men’s “shameless” s*xual acts with each other (just which acts are not named) and in his condemnation of women’s “unnatural” s*xual acts (1:26–27).
This is the problem the Mike Pence ran into with the business communities and the law of the land and had to back down from this limited narrow discrimination law based on religion.
Well Ron, my son and his wife are not going to change their faith nor give up the business that they love. Nor should they. Fortunately they get their business through word of mouth.
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 9:56AM
Steve Williams
Steven, I have not vacated that anyone to get out of the business that they love Steve. If they are Christians, The Holy Bible says nothing about discriminating against the LGBTQ communities, so why not serve the public?
Also from what I know of the Buddhist Religion is minimal but what I do know is Buddhism has three main branches: Theravada, the oldest form of Buddhism that emphasizes the monastic life; Mahayana Buddhism, a later form that includes Pure Land, Zen, Nichiren, and other sects; and Vajrayana, a unique form that arose in India and Tibet and is led by the Dalai Lama. In Theravada Buddhism is the one that I spent more time in study, there are two main ways of life: the life of the monk and the life of the lay person (i.e. ordinary person with a job, a family, a home, etc.)
Buddhist monks are expected to live lives of celibacy, meaning abstinence from any type of s*x. There is no explicit rule prohibiting those with a homos*xual orientation from monastic life.
Since here in The United States of America, we have no official religion, Mike Pence found that this kind of thinking is narrow minded at best and just plane wrong in the eyes of the Law, business and public communities in Indiana and now people want to put this man in the second most powerful office in the world, I don't think so.
You said this Ron, "...then you need to get out of that business." Are you trying to establish a religious test, that your faith cannot be one that takes offense at homos*xuality?
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 11:21AM
Steve Williams
The buddhism I follow is the great vehicle sutra named wonderful law lotus flower. It says nothing about homos*xuality.
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 11:26AM
Steve Williams
Explicitly that is. Homos*xuality is subject to the ten factors, just like everything else.
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 11:29AM
Steve Williams
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Posted By: Deacon Ron Gray Monday, August 15th 2016 at 5:14PM
BUT the crusaderLBGTV twinBrothers of Pence....'whiteMan' steveAdam and 'blackHebrewIsraelite" write...
"......Well Ron, my son and his wife are not going to change their faith nor give up the business that they love. Nor should they. Fortunately they get their business through word of mouth....."
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 9:56AM Steve Williams
".....Steven, I have not vacated that anyone to get out of the business that they love Steve. If they are Christians, The Holy Bible says nothing about discriminating against the LGBTQ communities, so why not serve the public?.."
Do you know Mike Pence? ...."
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 11:03AM Deacon Ron Gray
After today I hope to see an end to demonizing.
Wednesday, August 17th 2016 at 9:22PM
Steve Williams
Donald picks A womanizer in Roger Ails in his campaign to fine tune his debate skills, what a choice. They fired him at FOX NEWS and Trump picks him right up.
For Mr. Ailes, being connected with Mr. Trump’s campaign could be a form of redemption after he was pushed out of the powerful network that he helped build. And for Mr. Trump, having Mr. Ailes taking a hand in his preparations for the debates adds immeasurably to the messaging and media expertise in his corner — and could raise alarms within Mrs. Clinton’s camp about just how aggressive Mr. Trump plans to be in those encounters.
Steven, In my life time, the word "Queer" has many negative connotations to older people who remember the word as a taunt and insult and such (negative) usage of the term continues. This word "Queer" is a word that should not be tossed around especially from people that is outside of that group of people.
Now the term "LGBTQ community" is more up to date but using that term "Queer" is not. Like the word H-O-N-K-Y means something totally different coming from someone who is white, then if it came from me . Just like calling someone of my race, using the word N-I-G-G-E-R means something totally different coming from someone who is white, then if it came from a Black person.
Don't think that I was offended by your use of the word Queer or Queers.
If you are inside that group, that is your choice but I am not apart of the sect and would not use that word to Identify a group of people, do you understand me?
That's fine Ron, but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me, and how Hillary is helping me by making me part of the 'Q'.
Thursday, August 18th 2016 at 12:11PM
Steve Williams
Steven, I am glad to know that you are coming out and standing up to your Identity in this discussion, I understand and respect your choice.
Gov. Mike Pence signs 'religious freedom' bill in private into law April 2, 2015. This a bill in Indiana that would discriminate against the gay community. The name alone is a LIE, "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM" Let us see what happened.
The nation's latest legislative battle over religious freedom and gay rights came to a close Thursday when Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a controversial "religious freedom" bill into law.
His action followed two days of intense pressure from opponents — including technology company executives and convention organizers — who fear the measure could allow discrimination, particularly against gays and lesbians.
Senate Bill 101 prohibits state or local governments from substantially burdening a person's ability to exercise their religion — unless the government can show that it has a compelling interest and that the action is the least-restrictive means of achieving it. It takes effect July 1.
Although the bill does not mention s*xual orientation, opponents fear it could allow business owners to deny services to gays and lesbians for religious reasons.
I have no clue to your question Steven. Now what I do know is Pence, Trumps VP is against your right and have passed laws that allowed people to discriminate against you through religious freedom because of your s*xual preference.
I said nothing about my s*xual preference Ron. I can tell you absolutely I have no concern about being crusaded against by Pence. I'll take him over the Democratic LGBTQ panderers any day.
Thursday, August 18th 2016 at 11:03PM
Steve Williams
ARE THESE YOUR WORDS:
That's fine Ron, but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me, and how Hillary is helping me by making me part of the 'Q'. Thursday, August 18th 2016 at 12:11PM Steve Williams | delete | block member
HIGHLIGHTS: I QUOTE "but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me,"
Now this morning, you have come up with this: "I said nothing about my s*xual preference Ron." Will the real Steven Williams please stand-up!!!
What did you mean when you said: "but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me," who was you talking about when you said: "I am a queer?"
Ron, my s*xual preference is for women. My practice is celibacy, and that is not heteros*xual.
Friday, August 19th 2016 at 2:10PM
Steve Williams
I think we are all having a gay olde time Robert.
Friday, August 19th 2016 at 2:14PM
Steve Williams
HIGHLIGHTS: I QUOTE "but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me,"
What did you mean when you said: "but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me," who was you talking about when you said: "I am a queer."
I asked, how is Pence crusading against me? Can you tell me that Ron?
Friday, August 19th 2016 at 7:20PM
Steve Williams
You and you Democrats are all about identity politics but you can't even explain your identities.
Friday, August 19th 2016 at 7:25PM
Steve Williams
What did you mean when you said: "but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me," who was you talking about when you said: "I am a queer."
I'AM A QUEER, WHO WAS YOU TALKING ABOUT STEVEN, WHEN YOU SAY: "I'AM A QUEER?"
I was talking about "I" Ron. I and the LGBTQA community have no concern about Pence.
Saturday, August 20th 2016 at 12:58AM
Steve Williams
Pence did the same thing as Bill Clinton.
Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, Pub. L. No. 103-141, 107 Stat. 1488 (November 16, 1993), codified at 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb through 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb-4 (also known as RFRA), is a 1993 United States federal law that "ensures that interests in religious freedom are protected."[1] The bill was introduced by Congressman Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on March 11, 1993. A companion bill was introduced in the Senate by Ted Kennedy (D-MA) the same day. A unanimous U.S. House and a nearly unanimous U.S. Senate—three senators voted against passage[2]—passed the bill, and President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
I was talking about "I" Ron. I and the LGBTQA community have no concern about Pence.
Let me backup for a moment Steven, the question was: "I'AM A QUEER, WHO WAS YOU TALKING ABOUT STEVEN? WHEN YOU SAY: "I'AM A QUEER" That means, you stand alone when you mention "I" is that correct Steven?
At this point, I am not interested in Pence did the same thing as Bill Clinton, Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 or the LGBTQ community.
What I want you to focus on is answering this question: : "I'AM A QUEER, WHO WAS YOU TALKING ABOUT STEVEN? WHEN YOU SAY: "I'AM A QUEER" That means, you stand alone when you mention "I" is that correct Steven?
There are multitudes of us queers Ron.
Saturday, August 20th 2016 at 10:27AM
Steve Williams
This is this first mention of you say this in this BLOG:
That's fine Ron, but since I am a queer I'd like to know how Pence is crusading against me, and how Hillary is helping me by making me part of the 'Q'.
I'm talking about identity politics.
Saturday, August 20th 2016 at 11:27PM
Steve Williams
"Queer is sometimes used as an umbrella term..."
Saturday, August 20th 2016 at 11:29PM
Steve Williams
Identity politics, also called identitarian politics,[1] are political arguments that focus upon the interest and perspectives of groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people's politics may be shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on race, class, religion, gender, gender identity, ethnicity, ideology, nationality, s*xual orientation, culture, language (i.e. regional language / minority language) information preference, history, musical or literary preference, medical conditions, professions, or hobbies. Not all members of any given group are necessarily involved in identity politics.
The term identity politics and movements linked to it came into being during the latter part of the 20th century. It can most notably be found in class movements; feminist movements; lesbian, gay, bis*xual, and transgender movements; disability movements; ethnic movements; and post-colonial movements.[2] Minority influence, a central component of identity politics, is a form of social influence whereby a majority is influenced by the beliefs or behavior of a minority. Unlike other forms of influence this usually involves a personal shift in private opinion[citation needed] called conversion.
Sunday, August 21st 2016 at 12:42AM
Steve Williams
I have asked you was these your words: HIGHLIGHTS: "I am a QUEER," ARE THESE YOUR WORDS STEVEN?
You've asked me a stupid question, over and over and over again. Anyone can see those are my words.
Sunday, August 21st 2016 at 4:16PM
Steve Williams
What is your point Ron?
Sunday, August 21st 2016 at 4:18PM
Steve Williams
You are great for asking questions but never answering them. My first one at the very top, what's the difference between a lesbian and a queer? Ron?
Sunday, August 21st 2016 at 4:40PM
Steve Williams
"have been deleted..." You go Ron.
Sunday, August 21st 2016 at 4:44PM
Steve Williams
I am not interested in what some outside people can see Steven. I need you admit that you are QUEER!!!
I see that all this time you want to talk about anything but how Pence is crusading against LGBTQ. You don't know a damn thing about LGBTQ.
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 2:37AM
Steve Williams
That's a bleeding heart liberal for you.
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 2:39AM
Steve Williams
Have you forgotten, that it was you who sad that you was QUEER?
It was you who said they had something to do with a black man, don't you remember?
Or is that something QUEERS do? You are talking like People, Pence wants to discriminate against.
When I was sixteen I was kidnapped and molested. Now back to Pence. Pence was opposed to same s*x marriage. That is not the same thing as crusading against the LGBTQ community. LGBTQ is a catch phrase exploited by the democrats, nothing more.
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 8:00AM
Steve Williams
Steven, I thank The Most High that you survived this traumatic of your kidnapping and molestation ordeal however I fail to see why you Identify yourself as a member of the LGBTQ community or being that "Q" in that title. Do you see yourself as a HOMOS-EXUAL?
I told you Ron why I said I was a queer. Out of the many possible definitions I said I used "not heteros*xual". I also said that as a queer I have no concern about Pence being against LGBTQ rights. I understand that those choosing a same s*x marriage might have concern about Pence, but that does not equate to the LGBTQ at large. Same s*x marriage and evangelical christians providing marriage services are at odds. How would you resolve that Ron?
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 9:41AM
Steve Williams
No Ron, I'm not homos*xual. I love women.
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 9:44AM
Steve Williams
If you are not HOMOS-EXUAL, why do you identify yourself as QUEER?
Because I'm not heteros*xual. Why do you want to keep talking about me?
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 11:18AM
Steve Williams
I don't care if you are a heteros*xual or not Steven, that is not my point here. My question is why do you identify yourself as QUEER, why do you call yourself a QUEER?
I only just discovered I'm a queer a week ago when you posted this blog and I decided to find out who the Q are. Thank you Ron.
Monday, August 22nd 2016 at 9:42PM
Steve Williams
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2.- A person who is not heteros*xual. The word was meant as an insult but has been reclaimed by many non-heteros*xual folks, many of whom use it to describe one another. It is still often considered rude to use the word "queer" in this context unless you self-identify as "queer".
*******************************************BASED on above REFERENCES
-------- Robert Powell 2016 BIA Dictionary
Queer
1.- Strange, unusual, outside the "norm", Misconception, Stereotypically Rude, Vulgar
2. a selfProfessed 'whiteMan' at an African American Family Site Originated by María de la Soledad Teresa O'Brien
Queer has become the preferred term to describe certain radical academic disciplines and is gaining use as a descriptor of non-normative[note 1] (i.e. anti-heteronormativity and anti-homonormativity) identities and politics.[1] Academic disciplines such as queer theory and queer studies share a general opposition to binarism, normativity, and a perceived lack of intersectionality within the mainstream LGBT movement. Queer arts, queer cultural groups, and queer political groups are examples of expressions of queer identities.
Tuesday, August 23rd 2016 at 9:05AM
Steve Williams
Steven, you have said that all this is new. I like to believe that you took your time to decide to identity yourself as QUEER but what makes you QUEER?
It didn't take any time at all Ron. I just did a search on "queer meaning". From what I saw we could make our lives easier by saying "queer community" rather than "LGBTQ community."
Wednesday, August 24th 2016 at 6:51PM
Steve Williams
Steven, I am not talking about we, in my question to you. Why did you decide to identify, yourself as QUEER?
7 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is better for a man not to touch a woman; Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 2:47PM Steve Williams | delete
One Corinthians 7:1
Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 9:05PM
Steve Williams
First of all, I would like to correct you about this chapter, it is not called One Corinthians 7:1, but it is referred to as 1 Chronicles 7 in The King James Version (KJV)
You also said that I would find these words: "it is better for a man not to touch a woman;
I see that you took apart of a sentence out of that verse but since you used that verse, explain to me, what you have quoted, can you do that?
1 means One. I quoted a complete verse and a complete clause. The message is clear, s*x is bad but if you're not so pure as Paul he'll let you do it his way.
Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 11:03PM
Steve Williams
First of all, I would like to correct you about this chapter, Steven. It is not called One Corinthians 7:1 but 1 First Corinthian, Chapter 7 verse 1. in the King James Version of The Bible (KJV)
Since you like to talk in one liners and sound bites and you said that you produce the complete verse, let me show you what you missed:
1 Corinthians 7King James Version (KJV)
7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
That is the full quotation, now let us read on.
This means Now concerning the things of which you (WHEREOF YE) wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Verse 2. tells you why!!! 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
If this is your answer for being QUEER or the Bible told you to be, explains this LIE of A combination of genetics and environment then your MIXED UP, LOST and a LIE at the same time. The good part about that is you can get off that road, if you want to.
Paul is saying here not to have s*x unless it is your own wife MAN and let every woman have her own husband WOMAN. PAUL is talking to both MAN AND WOMAN and not to a QUEER.
So, STEVEN don't tell that LIE no more that the Bible told you to be a QUEER and use that passage again because that is a LIE and now you know it!
Pence, the same people that you want to put into office tried to pass laws in the State of Indiana,that would discriminate and deny you services on mare religious grounds. You would be truly voting against your own interest, why would you do that Steven?
For instance Ron, being raised Christian is a huge negative to healthy s*xual development. Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 10:50AM Steve Williams | delete How so, Steven?
Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 11:51AM Deacon Ron Gray Because the bible tells me so. Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 2:33PM Steve Williams | delete
Where in this exchange did I say the bible told me to be queer?
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 2:41AM
Steve Williams
see you have over looked the meaning of the full quote of 1 Corinthians 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman
Now you don't have a thing to say, I wonder why??? As I DROP THE MIC!!!!
BUSTED FOR LYING.... NOW, you still want to vote against your own interest and they say "WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?" I say "FREEDOM."
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 2:55AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
That man was talking directly to your group of people, do you want that?
Ron, Christianity is why you have people like Pence. As we see in One Corinthians it teaches intolerance.
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 6:40AM
Steve Williams
Fornication is generally consensual s*xual intercourse between two people not married to each other.[1][2] For many people, the term carries an overtone of moral or religious disapproval (living in sin), but the significance of s*xual acts to which the term is applied varies between religions, societies and cultures. The definition is often disputed. In modern usage, the term is often replaced with a more judgment-neutral term like extramarital s*x.
Etymology and usage Edit
Prostitutes in ancient Rome waited for their customers out of the rain under vaulted ceilings,[3] and the Latin word for vaults, fornix, became a euphemism for brothels, and the Latin verb fornicare referred to a man visiting a brothel.[4][5][6] The first recorded use in English is in the Cursor Mundi, c. 1300; the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) records a figurative use as well: "The forsaking of God for idols".[7]
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 6:44AM
Steve Williams
So, you are saying that it is NOT a good idea, good wisdom, good common sense to avoid fornication by getting a wife and only have S-E-X with one woman?
For a woman getting a husband and only having S-E-X with one man? That makes you QUEER?
All what you describe are acts of being a heathen but I have no right to write laws to deny you services or discriminate against you on what Mike Pence might believe or may try to write into THE LAW OF THE LAND.
This is what you want to say is the reason why you are QUEER? Interesting.
I think one man one woman is good wisdom for many people, myself included. But the question is, what did Paul say? Was he saying fornication was wrong only for the Corinthian church? Pence doesn't think so and I blame that on the modern day church.
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 10:43AM
Steve Williams
No Steven, that message was not only for the people of the Church of Corinthian but that was the message promoted by the teachings of Jesus Christ to his apostles, to teach and spread the word to his people, to the lost sheep, of The Good News.
Crusader, for the kingJamesOldeEnglish versions of europeanRacist slaverAmericana 1492-1864(1964)
---- crusader ebony/Ivory Brothers of Pence....'whiteMan' steveAdam -- 'blackHebrewIsraelite" write...
"....First of all, I would like to correct you about this chapter, it is not called One Corinthians 7:1, but it is referred to as 1 Chronicles 7 in The King James Version (KJV)...."
You also said that I would find these words: "it is better for a man not to touch a woman;
I see that you took apart of a sentence out of that verse but since you used that verse, explain to me, what you have quoted, can you do that? ....."
Thursday, August 25th 2016 at 9:44PM Deacon Ron Gray
"....Ron, Christianity is why you have people like Pence. As we see in One Corinthians it teaches intolerance..."
YOU cannot argue with the Queer oldeLanguage of 'whiteSteveAdam' because kingJamesVersion ENGLISH is his Language for the MEANING of EVENTS of AfricaAsia THOUSANDS of Years ago.......in African Asian Languages
---- African Asian Languages that YOU, have YET in 4-5 YEARS shown BIA you KNOW....Hebrew or Aramaic or Arabic
You, have no idea of the message that LatinJesus has UNLESS you be quiet and LISTEN to 'whiteMan' steveAdam or any of his Queer Friends...
I have been aware that you have no clue what Trump and Pence have for some lost Muslims souls like yourself, that are willing to vote against their own interest.
I also have been aware that you are willing to give back the gains that President Barack Hussein Obama have made to people who don't give a damn about his Legacy, who closed down the govermen, who waged war on the poor, unions and Middle classes.
I have also been aware that you have been scammed by Donald J Trump and Mike Pence who will laugh in your face, just like he did to The Donald.
I also see that you are aware that the Republican Party is imploding from within and you are watching the war in the Republican Party who have been taken over by White supremacy groups, ultra right-wing parties and racism that have come to the surface since Donald Trump has came head of the Republican Party and you are acting like you don't see it.
"...... I have been aware that you have no clue what Trump and Pence have for some lost Muslims souls like yourself, ...........WOW!!! You and Steven have a lot in common. ....."
Friday, August 26th 2016 at 6:45PM Deacon Ron Gray
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What Deacon of kingJamesVersion:.... is a "... lost Muslims souls like yourself...."....?????
The Creator of Adaam(as) breathed into Adaam(as) his Ruh and ALL the Family of Adaam(as) has that Ruh.....
All the Family of Adaam(as):
----- crusaderPENCE; 'whiteMan' steveAdam; 'blackHebrewIsraelite' YOU and me have this to say about LBGTV Qs
This subject is not about African Asian Monotheism lost one. This blog is about getting to know who your Vice President is and how he tried to pass laws that would discriminate based on religion, which you have no clue of. WOW!
".....This blog is about getting to know who your Vice President is and how he tried to pass laws that would discriminate based on religion, which you have no clue of. WOW!......"
Saturday, August 27th 2016 at 11:25AM Deacon Ron Gray
At the time Mike Pence signed that Law that people can discriminate against Gays due to religious grounds, he was the Governor of Indiana and not Donald Trumps running mate for Vice President of The United States of America. That Bobby is a FACT...
2. Mike Pence the paganChristian kingJames RacistVersionist cannot pass LAWS
BOBBY, you know full well as Governor of Indiana Mike Pence did have the power to sign a peace of legislation into LAW and that is a FACT.
3. Mike Pence as a racistlyIgnorant paganChristian Governor CANNOT change the CONSTITUTION of USA.....
BOBBY, this blog is not talking about changing the CONSTITUTION of USA..... But if Donald Trump and Pence got control of the Oval Office and the Republicans keep control of both houses, chances in the constitution can be put into play and that is a FACT.
6. 'blackHebrewIsraelite' DEACON has NO CLUE to his own blagSUBJECT or African Asian Monotheistic Belief
BOBBY, the reason why you are here, making comments on this blog which I did the research on Mike Pence and the FACT that you did not speak volumes of what I know of Mike Pence and that is a FACT. (LOL)
Didn't you say that you started schools in your life time? Then you should know better then to say something as ignorant as that's!
