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Trump thinks 'Obamacare is over,' but he's confused about why By Steve Benen 12/22/17 01:02PM Donald Trump signed the regressive Republican tax plan into law this morning, and in the process, repealed the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act. The president, complaining at length about the policy that the GOP used to support, said this is "the end of Obamacare," adding, "Essentially, I think Obamacare is over." Of course, Trump, who's long struggled to understand the basics of the debate, has made similar assessments countless times this year -- and in every instance, the president has been wrong. What I'm especially interested in now, however, is why he thinks this is "the end of Obamacare." On Wednesday, for example, Trump insisted that the end of the ACA's individual mandate "means Obamacare is being repealed." He added soon after: "We -- I hate to say this -- but we essentially repealed Obamacare because we got rid of the individual mandate, which was terrible. And that was a primary source of funding of Obamacare." READ MORE: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/tr...
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Monday, December 25th 2017 at 4:03PM
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Everyone conveniently forgets Obama promised there would be no individual mandate without the public option. Without the public option the individual mandate was unconstitutional. President Trump is absolutely correct that the individual mandate was the most HATED part of the ACA. The importance of repealing it can't be overstated.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 1:52AM
Steve Williams
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The question is, will this same law hurt millions of the very people that voted for 45?
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 3:09AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That's not the question. The question is how will Congress fund the ACA constitutionally, or replace it with something else that is constitutional. I'm amazed that you have no concern that the legislative branch make constitutional legislation.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 7:51AM
Steve Williams
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"We -- I hate to say this -- but we essentially repealed Obamacare because we got rid of the individual mandate, which was terrible. And that was a primary source of funding of Obamacare --- Trump
According to Trump, he said that he "REPEALED OBAMACARE," where is his replacement?
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 9:56AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Trump thinks 'Obamacare is over,' but he's confused about why
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---- The Greatest USA President EVER, Baraaka Hussein Obama with 2 years of Comprehensive
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-------- CAN you, deaconGray....Call the Health Care USA LAW....Affordable Care Act?
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Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 10:37AM
robert powell
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Robert, I am glad to hear from you, Merry Christmas.
Let us talk about Obamacare for a moment. The ACA is more widely known as “Obamacare” because his opponents want to associate the law with the President who is widely loathed on the Right and earns mixed reviews from the general public (though polls consistently show that the vast majority of Americans find Obama personally likable). Bad President, bad law, so the thinking goes. Or perhaps the term conjures the image of Obama crossing the country with a stethoscope and kicking down doors, forcing blood pressure readings on us. That is to say, “Obamacare” may generate fears of the worst kind of “nanny state.”
Now Robert, with that said, here’s an alternative explanation for the persistence of the term. Consider that his own supporters use the term, no doubt creating love for the law on the Left. Unlike Social Security and Medicare (single-payer systems of direct entitlements), the ACA is actually a complex mixture of taxes and subsidies, public-private exchanges, and regulations on the private insurance industry. In other words, it’s no one thing.
Bottom Line, American's having Heath insurance that the free market would cost a arm and a leg to maintain that monthly premiums.
Yes I Can say The Affordable Care Act? I also can say ObamaCare out of love because Obama Cared.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 12:47PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, the Affordable Care Act refers to an act of Congress. But instead you want to know how Trump will fix Obama care. Please let this truth sink in. IT TAKES AN ACT OF OUR CURRENT CONGRESS TO FIX OR REPLACE THE ACT OF CONGRESS KNOWN AS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT!!!! Tell your Senators and Representative to quit obstructing on every single piece of legislation your sworn enemies the Republicans put forward AND GET THE HELL TO WORK! And while you're at it tell them to fix DACA too. Damn.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 1:49PM
Steve Williams
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We all ready have a bipartisan attempt at fixing The ACA that congress can put in effect now if they wanted too.
You remember Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., their agreement was shelved in the senate for their effort to reach an agreement on how to improve upon the Affordable Care Act.
Don't watch what they say, WATCH what they do.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 2:10PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm talking about SIXTY VOTES Ron, not some damn "plan" put forward.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 2:21PM
Steve Williams
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It take a plan, A program for congress to use 60 vote on, that is in place now if the senate brings it back to life as a bill.
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Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 2:43PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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THANKY YOU,
".....an agreement on how to improve upon the Affordable Care Act...."
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 2:10PM
Deacon Ron Gray
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I, Robert Powell, go on RECORD stating THERE IS nothing, nada, Nyet
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....IS in the TOP three GREATEST Legislative Cooperation SINCE civilRights Laws.
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 5:05PM
robert powell
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Ron, a PLAN by ONE Democrat and ONE Republican equals TWO votes. Who are the other 58 votes?
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 5:43PM
Steve Williams
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Speaking of "bi" partisan.
With the election of Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, Democrats controlled both the Presidency and the Congress, claiming a 2:1 ratio to Republicans in the House and 32 more seats in the Senate. The Democrats in the House Ways and Means Committee shifted away from Southern Democrats, making the committee more sympathetic towards health insurance reform.
Those who had previously worked on the King-Anderson Bill drafted a new bill providing coverage of the aged, limited hospitalization and nursing home insurance benefits, and Social Security financing. Wilbur Cohen, Assistant Secretary for Legislation of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (and later Secretary), pushed the Medicare bill. Cohen convinced Johnson to give the bill high priority, and Johnson declared its importance to his Great Society program. The bill was introduced as companion bills,[3] H.R. 1 and S. 1, given the numbers as the first bill introduced in each House of the new Congress.
House of Representatives Edit
The groups previously opposed to the legislation switched their focus from opposing the bill to creating new versions of it. As a result, three forms of the bill emerged: John Byrnes', the American Medical Association's, and the administration's bill (known as Medicare). Byrnes was a Republican committee member who proposed that doctors' services and drugs be financed; participation in coverage would be voluntary for the aged. If an elderly patient did need the help, his or her financing would be "scaled to the amounts of the participant's Social Security cash benefits" and the financing would come from the government's revenues. The AMA proposed Eldercare, which provided government financing for physician's services, surgical charges, drugs, nursing home costs, x-ray and lab services. When brought back to the Ways and Means committee, three bills were presented: Byrnes,' Eldercare, and Medicare.
When deliberations began in 1965, both AMA members and their suggestions were rejected. Wilbur Mills, the chair of the Ways and Means committee, suggested combining Byrnes' ideas and Medicare. His committee took on the task of drafting H.R. 6675, the bill that ultimately became law. In combining the two bills, John Byrnes's suggestion, which included lower taxes, had to be altered as higher taxes were necessary for the program's predicted costs. The Ways and Means Committee reported favorably on the new bill to the full House of Representatives on March 29 after a straight party committee vote of 17 to 8.[4]
During debate on the House floor, Republicans offered a substitute bill that would have made participation fully voluntary. It was narrowly defeated 236 to 191, with 128 of 138 Republicans in favor of the substitute. H.R. 6675 was passed in the House on April 8, 1965 by a vote of 313 to 115.[4]
Senate Edit
The biggest threat to the passage of H.R. 6675 in the Senate came from liberal Democrats who were eager to expand coverage of the bill. As amended and passed in the Senate on July 19 by a vote of 68 to 2, H.R. 6675 would have cost approximately $800 million more than the House-passed bill.[4]
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 5:51PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, good read but this blog had not said a word about LBJ some 53 years ago. Let us talk about this bipartisan attempt at fixing the ACA Health Care Bill.
WASHINGTON — Democratic and Republican leaders in the Senate announced they have reached a bipartisan deal to shore up the Affordable Care Act health insurance markets for two years while Congress continues to grapple with GOP efforts to replace the law.
Sens. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., and Patty Murray, D-Wash., the leaders of the Senate health committee, said Tuesday they have struck a deal for a two-year extension of subsidies for insurance companies to cover low-income clients — subsidies that President Trump canceled last week.
Alexander told reporters the deal would also expand authority for states to experiment with alternative standards for insurance plans that deviate from federal requirements, but it would not do away with the requirement to cover people with pre-existing conditions. The deal would also not eliminate so-called essential health benefits — such as mental health and maternity care — that insurance plans must cover.
Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare ran aground in part because of concerns of both Democrats and Republicans that these provisions would be eliminated.
READ MORE: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politi...
Tuesday, December 26th 2017 at 7:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The concept of bipartisan in 2017 is meaningless. All bipartisan means is twice as partisan. As proof look at your current bipartisan obsession, the 2018 campaign. It's disgusting. Issues mean nothing to you bipartisans.
Wednesday, December 27th 2017 at 12:16AM
Steve Williams
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This article may have been interesting news on October 17 but it's irrelevant in 2018.
Wednesday, December 27th 2017 at 2:56AM
Steve Williams
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I presented this UISA TODAY article dated Oct. 17, 2017 to show you, just how long that the senate has been sitting on a Health Care bill that both Republicans and Democrats working together to fix the ACA, for the American people. Now that is what bipartisanship, our elected officials working together for the benefit of the poor and the middle classes American.
Wednesday, December 27th 2017 at 10:45AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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It's irrelevant now Ron. Unless you think your Party should continue to do nothing.
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 9:17AM
Steve Williams
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Change is about to happen!!!
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 10:42AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What change Ron? Democrats doing something other than whine and complain?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 11:53AM
Steve Williams
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If you're talking about 2018 elections, no. If you're talking about President Trump making America even greater in 2018, yes.
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 2:16PM
Steve Williams
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YOUR WORDS: "If you're talking about President Trump making America even greater in 2018, yes. So, it is alright with you to be LIED to everyday by Trump?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 7:43PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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We were talking about change. I answered your question Ron, now what change can YOU feel?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 8:33PM
Steve Williams
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I don't feel right about this administration because of the LIE'S he tells everyday.
Steve, How do you feel about all those lies Trump tells?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 10:18PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The change you can feel has to do with your obsession over the 2018 midterms. Don't be shy, tell us about this change you can feel.
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 11:04PM
Steve Williams
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No Steve, that is not it, 2018 midterm is to far in the future. Now Steve, I see that you did not answer my question.
Steve, How do you feel about all those lies Trump tells?
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 12:01AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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It's you Ron that didn't answer the question.
What change Ron? Democrats doing something other than whine and complain?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 11:53AM
Steve Williams | delete
Can’t you feel it?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 1:29PM
Deacon Ron Gray
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 12:46AM
Steve Williams
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I don't feel right about this administration because of the LIE'S he tells everyday.
Steve, How do you feel about all those lies Trump tells?
Thursday, December 28th 2017 at 10:18PM
Deacon Ron Gray | delete
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 6:58AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What I feel about President Trump is great optimism. I can feel the change that will keep on rolling right through 2018, through 2020 and beyond. I have no concern about lies, not from the Democrats even because the President will come out victorious.
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 8:37AM
Steve Williams
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I am talking about the LIES that came out of Trump's mouth.
"We have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman." This was proven to be a LIE.
"We essentially repealed Obamacare because we got rid of the individual mandate ... and that was a primary source of funding of Obamacare." This was proven to be a LIE.
Says of the diversity visa lottery program, "they give us their worst people, they put them in a bin," and "the worst of the worst" are selected. This was proven to be a LIE.
Obama has wiretapped Trump Towns. This was proven to be a LIE.
These are LIES that came from Trump's mouth. and not from any Democrats.
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 11:55AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'll get back to you Ron on these allegations.
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 12:42PM
Steve Williams
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YES!!! allegations. which is a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically, the one who made it, has spoke without proof a thing he has said.
Friday, December 29th 2017 at 1:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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