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Vindeman should be court martialed.
Wednesday, October 30th 2019 at 7:55PM
Steve Williams
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Why Steve? You can't come close to matching Vindman's record of service to this country now can you?
Thursday, October 31st 2019 at 8:10AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You think Vindeman is better than me Ron? He's not. When the time came for him to uphold America's values he failed miserably.
Thursday, October 31st 2019 at 8:47AM
Steve Williams
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That man has people in high government offices that will give him High Praise for his service. Steve, do you know the office that Alexander Vindman held at the time of that phone call?
Thursday, October 31st 2019 at 5:05PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, he was a Director at the time of the call.
Thursday, October 31st 2019 at 6:35PM
Steve Williams
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It's a long-ass title Ron and Vindeman isn't worth my effort to look it up. He went outside the chain of command to make a pernicious attack on his commander-in-chief and like all traitors, tries to excuse his perfidy by professing to be a patriot.
Thursday, October 31st 2019 at 10:01PM
Steve Williams
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Director of what Steve? It's worth your time because he was qualified to be on that call. If it is not worth your time, then telling me this BS about Alexander Vindman attacking the president is mute.
Now answer the question, the answer is in this video clip.
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Friday, November 1st 2019 at 8:16AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Nothing in his title indicates the corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman. His title is immaterial Ron.
Friday, November 1st 2019 at 10:31AM
Steve Williams
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If you think otherwise Ron, let's hear your case.
Friday, November 1st 2019 at 10:32AM
Steve Williams
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I understand that you really don't know 💩 about The U.S. Military's Chain of Command, for you to say: "His title is immaterial Ron."
You can't point to any corrupt, immoral, character history of Vindman anywhere, like I can point to his
Alexander Semyon Vindman is a United States Army lieutenant colonel who serves as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council (NSC). Vindman came to national attention in October 2019 when he testified before the United States Congress regarding the Trump–Ukraine scandal.
Commissioned in 1999 as an infantry officer, Vindman received a Purple Heart medal in 2003 for wounds he received from an IED attack in the Iraq War. Vindman became a foreign area officer specializing in Eurasia in 2008, and assumed his current position as Director for European Affairs with the NSC in 2018.
Steve, you don't get to this level in The Military being corrupt or immoral but there is more to Alexander Semyon Vindman character.
Vindman's awards and decorations include the Purple Heart, Defense Meritorious Service Medal with bronze oak leaf cluster (2nd award), Meritorious Service Medal, Army Commendation Medal with three oak leaf clusters (4th award), Army Achievement Medal with two oak leaf clusters (3rd award), National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon (4th award), Valorous Unit Award, Navy Unit Commendation, National Intelligence Meritorious Unit Citation, and Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation. He is a recipient of the Combat Infantry Badge, Expert Infantry Badge, Ranger Tab, Basic Parachutist Badge, the Presidential Service Badge, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge.
Now where is your proof of Vindman's character?
Friday, November 1st 2019 at 11:28AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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His action in betraying his Commander-in-Chief is the proof Ron. He let all those medals go to his head and his pride deluded him into thinking he knew better than the Supreme Commander.
Friday, November 1st 2019 at 1:42PM
Steve Williams
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Unlike Donald Trump, Alexander Vindman's Character Is Unimpeachable
SUBJECT
unimpeachable....?
clintonBJ was impeached.....anything is impeachable......……..
.....the selfProfessed COLORED'blackHebrewIsraelite' racistlyIgnorant Nature of NONSENSE; Prefers
vindman ....a deacon COLORED'whiteHebrewIsraelite' ….?
…. in USA Army you DEFEND US-USA folk and their leader trump$ette in charge.....
ps..
I would like to see the Democrats IMPEACH buttBoy from INDY and joeBiden…......…
Friday, November 1st 2019 at 5:40PM
robert powell
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You Just speculating Steve, you have no proof And can’t bag up a damn thing you said yet. WOW 😳!!!
Saturday, November 2nd 2019 at 12:29AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Yes thank You.
Background
I have dedicated my entire professional life to the United States of America. For more than two decades, it has been my honor to serve as an officer in the United States Army. As an infantry officer, I served multiple overseas tours, including South Korea and Germany, and a deployment to Iraq for combat operations. In Iraq, I was wounded in an IED attack and awarded a Purple Heart. Since 2008, I have been a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this role, I have served in the United States’ embassies in Kiev, Ukraine and Moscow, Russia. In Washington, D.C., I was a politico-military affairs officer for Russia for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs where I authored the principle strategy for managing competition with Russia. In July 2018, I was asked to serve at the National Security Council. The privilege of serving my country is not only rooted in my military service, but also in my personal history. I sit here, as a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Army, an immigrant. My family fled the Soviet Union when I was three and a half years old. Upon arriving in New York City in 1979, my father worked multiple jobs to support us, all the while learning English at night. He stressed to us the importance of fully integrating into our adopted country. For many years, life was quite difficult. In spite of our challenging beginnings, my family worked to build its own American dream. I have a deep appreciation for American values and ideals and the power of freedom. I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics.
For over twenty years as an active duty United States military officer and diplomat, I have served this country in a nonpartisan manner, and have done so with the utmost respect and professionalism for both Republican and Democratic administrations.
Introduction
Before recounting my recollection of various events under investigation, I want to clarify a few issues. I am appearing today voluntarily pursuant to a subpoena and will answer all questions to the best of my recollection.
I want the Committees to know I am not the whistleblower who brought this issue to the CIA and the Committees’ attention. I do not know who the whistleblower is and I would not feel comfortable to speculate as to the identity of the whistleblower.
Also, as I will detail herein, I did convey certain concerns internally to National Security officials in accordance with my decades of experience and training, sense of duty, and obligation to operate within the chain of command. As an active duty military officer, the command structure is extremely important to me. On many occasions I have been told I should express my views and share my concerns with my chain of command and proper authorities. I believe that any good military officer should and would do the same, thus providing his or her best advice to leadership.
Furthermore, in performing my coordination role as a Director on the National Security Council, I provided readouts of relevant meetings and communications to a very small group of properly cleared national security counterparts with a relevant need-to-know.
Steve, where is this corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman, do you see it in these words?
Saturday, November 2nd 2019 at 10:29AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Alexander Vindman proves with his own words that he betrayed his country Ron.
When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.
It was not his job to make these judgements and excuse himself from the chain of command, by ignoring the orders of his superior and joining in Adam Shiff's coup d'etat.
Saturday, November 2nd 2019 at 3:36PM
Steve Williams
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I see that you did not find any corrupt, immoral, character in Alexander Vindman, WHY? Also, did you note that Alexander Vindman went to his chain of command as well to bring this to the for front.
Let's look at Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman Service on the National Security Council for a moment Steve, OK!
When I joined the White House’s National Security Council (“NSC”), I reported to Dr. Fiona Hill, who in turn reported to John Bolton, the National Security Advisor. My role at the NSC includes developing, coordinating, and executing plans and policies to manage the full range of diplomatic, informational, military, and economic national security issues for the countries in my portfolio, which includes Ukraine.
In my position, I coordinate with a superb cohort of inter-agency partners. I regularly prepare internal memoranda, talking points, and other materials for the National Security Advisor and senior staff.
Most of my interactions relate to national security issues and are therefore especially sensitive. I would urge the Committees to carefully balance the need for information against the impact that disclosure would have on our foreign policy and national security.
I have never had direct contact or communications with the President.
Steve, where is this corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman, do you see it in these words?
Saturday, November 2nd 2019 at 9:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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When Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman appeared before members of Congress on Tuesday to discuss what he knew about President Trump’s conversations with Ukraine’s president, he was violating an order from his commander in chief not to cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry.
He is likely protected from legal ramifications from showing up to testify, a former Army judge advocate told Military Times on Thursday. But it remains to be seen whether what he told legislators could get him charged with a crime ― and, of course, how his choice to rebel against his White House chain-of-command will affect his career.
“It’s not far-fetched,” Sean Timmons, a managing partner at Tully Rinckey, said. “It’s a murky issue.”
It comes down to whether Trump’s order was lawful, he said. If Trump was trying to prevent Vindman from sharing sensitive information, it could be. If he was trying to prevent testimony, period, it’s not.
The Military Whistleblower Protection Act prohibits government officials from interfering with a member of the military in communicating with Congress or an inspector general. Adding to the complexity is that the president gets to determine what is and isn’t classified.
“If the president were to order the lieutenant colonel not to testify, that would not be a lawful order,” Timmons said. “However, it gets tricky, because you have to obey orders unless it is manifestly unlawful. It’s not clear if such an order would be manifestly unlawful if the president is using his executive authority to prohibit the communication of information that the executive branch determines to be classified, sensitive, top secret, not to be disclosed to anyone without prior authorization.”
In any case, Vindman’s testimony would need to be limited to avoid disclosing anything out of order, Timmons said.
The White House’s impeachment inquiry policy is laid out in an Oct. 8 letter from its senior counsel, Pat Cipollone, calling the investigation invalid and unconstitutional.
The Army, for its part, is publicly backing Vindman.
“Lt. Col. Vindman, who has served this country honorably for 20-plus years, is fully supported by the Army like every soldier, having earned a Purple Heart after being wounded in Iraq in 2004,” Army spokesman Matt Leonard told Military Times on Thursday. “As his career assignments reflect, Lt. Col. Vindman has a long history of selfless service to his country, including combat. Lt. Col. Vindman is afforded all protections anyone would be provided in his circumstances.”
A spokesman for the National Security Council, Vindman’s official command, declined to comment on whether he might face an Article 15 investigation.
“So I think, ultimately, it would be a gray area for the officer in question,” Timmons said. “What do I do here? Do I follow the president’s directive and comply? Or do I follow my conscience?”
And on the other hand, he added, if he received a subpoena from Congress and failed to comply, he could face charges of conduct unbecoming an officer under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Beyond any possible legal fallout, Timmons added, it’s more likely that Vindman has torpedoed his career by testifying before Congress.
“...the reality is, whistleblowers often face retaliation through subterfuge,” he said.
Because it’s unlikely Vindman will remain a member of the NSC staff, his service record will have a big gash in it from being moved mid-assignment, Timmons said.
His rater, who signs off on his officer evaluation report, is also likely a senior civilian official, who could give him a less-than-stellar review that might affect his competitiveness for promotion to full colonel. And then, of course, if he’s not promoted, he’ll eventually be forced to retire.
“Whistleblowers often sacrifice their careers because they face retaliatory acts from those superiors they reported against,” he said.
There are, on paper, protections from whistleblower retaliation, but very little guarantee he would be able to wade through the process successfully.
“He’s likely destroying his career, but he’s doing the right thing ― so, private employers, take that into consideration,” Timmons said.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-mi...
Saturday, November 2nd 2019 at 11:32PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, where is this corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman, do you see it in those words?
Sunday, November 3rd 2019 at 12:08AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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What Is an Article 15?
If a military member gets into trouble for a minor offense and it does not require a judicial hearing, Article 15 of the UCMJ allows for the commanding officer to decide the innocence or guilt and administer the punishment to the offender if necessary. Also known as Non-Judicial Punishment (NJP), the Article 15 hearing allows for the immediate chain of command of the UCMJ offender to handle "in-house" the lesser offenses that do not require a trial or break other local or federal regulations.
In the Navy, an Article 15 hearing is called Captain's Mast (or Admiral's Mast) depending upon the rank of the member's commanding officer. In the Marine Corps, it is called "Office Hours." In the Army and Air Force, it is referred to as simply an Article 15 hearing.
If someone commits a punitive offense, an Article 15 proceeding is conducted. The offender can request a court-martial if they feel that it is worth the risk of a higher punishment. The Article 15 hearing is more of a legal proceeding than a trial that involves the chain of command with references speaking either for or against the accused. The commander will hear the Article 15 proceeding if the offense is too minor to warrant a full-blown court-martial.
It's best to think of Article 15 as a misdemeanor court as opposed to a felony court (which would be more indicative of a court-martial). Below are the details of the Article 15 process.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-is-...
No one is above the law Ron.
Sunday, November 3rd 2019 at 6:57AM
Steve Williams
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I see that you have run from the question of where is this corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman, why?
Because you can't find no corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman.
Steve, lets take a look at what caught Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman attention in these chains of events.
When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration’s policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.
April 21, 2019: President Trump Calls Ukraine President Zelenskyy
On April 21, 2019, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine in a landslide victory. President Zelenskyy was seen as a unifying figure within the country. He was the first candidate to win a majority in every region of the country, breaking the claims that Ukraine would be subject to a perpetual divide between the Ukrainian- and Russian-speaking populations. President Zelenskyy ran on a platform of unity, reform, and anti-corruption, which resonated with the entire country.
In support of U.S. policy objectives to support Ukrainian sovereignty, President Trump called President Zelenskyy on April 21, 2019. I was one of several staff and officers who listened to the call. The call was positive, and President Trump expressed his desire to work with President Zelenskyy and extended an invitation to visit the White House.
Steve, where is the corrupt, immoral, character of Vindman, do you see it in those words?
As far Article 15 is concerned, The First General Order for any Armed Service personnel to assume is:
1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
That is what Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman was doing.
Sunday, November 3rd 2019 at 9:11AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, I answered your question but here it is again.
"I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy."
Those are the words that prove Vindman's corrupt, immoral, character.
As far as Article 15, Vindman was directed by the NSC lawyer, Eisenberg, to keep the call confidential. He willfully violated that order.
Sunday, November 3rd 2019 at 8:02PM
Steve Williams
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The National Safety Council lawyers are not the chain of Command and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman is NOT under investigation for any wrong doings on his part but TRUMP is.
Do you understand what is Article 15, and the first general order means Steve?
Sunday, November 3rd 2019 at 11:28PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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