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Rachel Maddow reads excerpts from the transcript of a deposition, under oath, of Donald Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani in which he explains that he can't remember but thinks some of the conspiracy theories he pushed about the 2020 election came from social media and he didn't bother to check the truthfulness of the claims from his bombshell source who claimed the election was stolen.
This is how the BIG LIE was defended by Old Rudy, Trump's right-hand man. Do you see what happens when you LIE, Steve?
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 9:08AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Steve, did you see this report and especially what Rudy said about his very own evidence?
The News on THE BIG LIE is out for all Americans to see.
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:17AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I invented THE BIG LIE Ron, not Rudy.
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:20AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, you really need to stop that LIE. It really sounds like you are coming to the realization that TRUMP LIED to you Steve and your poor little feelings are hurt.
You don't have to feel that way Steve. Drop that LIE and THE LIER you can do it. Use that power you used to promote that LIER, that is the power you use to break FREE.
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 8:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Trump didn't lie to me and THE BIG LIE is no lie at all Ron. I experienced the STEAL firsthand. After the voting machine
fouled up it should have been taken out of service. Instead, according to the poll worker, it "had been doing that all morning."
We need to BAN all electronic voting.
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 8:59PM
Steve Williams
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YOUR WORDS: Trump didn't lie to me and THE BIG LIE is no lie at all Ron.
MY REPLY: When you experienced your voting machine fouled up, did you make sure your vote was correctly registered on the paper copy, Steve?
YOUR WORDS: I experienced the STEAL firsthand. After the voting machine fouled up it should have been taken out of service.
MY REPLY: When you experienced your voting machine fouled up, did you make sure your vote was correctly registered on the paper copy, Steve?
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:04PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The state legislature banned such a capability Ron. If you're going to weigh in
on another State's laws you should know what they are. I have receipts for all my votes
from 2016 onward, until 2020.
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:05PM
Steve Williams
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Maybe, you have not had the chance to respond.
YOUR WORDS: I experienced the STEAL firsthand. After the voting machine fouled up it should have been taken out of service.
MY REPLY: When you experienced your voting machine fouled up, did you make sure your vote was correctly registered on the paper copy, Steve?
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:11PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I asked why I had no receipt like other years. Of course I asked Ron, I'm not stupid. Do you want to see
what my four recipts for 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 look like? Can you look up what the new law is or do
you need my help?
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 10:28PM
Steve Williams
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No, Steve... My point is, throughout the ordeal, you went through was an experience at voting, if you were satisfied with that backup copy of your candidates you voted for was accurate, before you left the polling place, then what is your problem? Your vote counted as a witness of your 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 voters receipts, GOOD JOB Steve.
Steve, did you hear what Rudy said about his so-called credible witness, that he never talked to?
Friday, October 1st 2021 at 11:21PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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My problem is I can't verify my 2020 vote was counted. Stop playing dumb Ron.
In previous years I had a ballot stub with a UNIQUE 4 digit number. With that number I
can verify my vote was counted. Without a number how do I do that Ron?
Why do you think they took the number off? Because of accusations of voter
suppression of course. That's why I have no patience for your constant
COMPLAINTS!
Stop acting like you're such a morally superior being Ron. You're not.
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 12:19AM
Steve Williams
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You went to the polling place to vote, that was your soul purpose for being there in the first place. Now you were saying you got cheated out of the vote, that was you dumb ass fault, Steve. Every state has a provisional ballot, you could’ve voted the old-fashioned way by paper, what a waste of your time, you didn’t know you was ignorant to the fact end it looks like you haven’t learned a damn thing yet. So Sit over there and cry like a little baby when you should’ve been man enough to handle your business.
That was purely your fault because the law was on your side and you let it slip through your fingers because of your ignorance. That was nobody’s fault but yours. You had to learn it the hard way and you still don’t know if your vote Count it or not, WOW Steve, you are crying to the WRONG people about that.
I am sure they had more than one machine at the voting place you visited, RIGHT?
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 3:36AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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No Ron, there was one machine. It took my PAPER ballot and spit it out multiple times. Then it finally ate it.
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 12:25PM
Steve Williams
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I got all the information there was to get and left. Then I learned I wasn't the only one who had been cheated by folks like you Ron.
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 9:14PM
Steve Williams
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So, you did not Vote. After all that trauma you went through and you still did not vote, is that what you want the people of black in America to read and believe? Steve you sound like you are full of 💩, Trump needed your vote and you failed him, Shame on you for not making you vote count, SHAME ON YOU.
You look as bad as Rudy Giuliani with all of his excuses under oath.
Did you see this report on how he explained his evidence on dominion voting machines?
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 9:50PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The proof is out In a court deposition did you hear those poor ass excuses from Rudy Giuliani and this is how THE BIE LIE got started? Now look at what’s happened under this LIE, Steve?
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 11:20PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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"So, you did not Vote." Stop talking nonsense man.
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 11:40PM
Steve Williams
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I neve told you that Steve! You don’t have to LIE like that Steve. Are you smoking that 💩 again?
Saturday, October 2nd 2021 at 11:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You're right Ron, I did vote.
Sunday, October 3rd 2021 at 10:38AM
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Let’s get back to this material on this blog. Did you see The proof is out In a court deposition did you hear those poor ass excuses from Rudy Giuliani and this is how THE BIE LIE got started?
Sunday, October 3rd 2021 at 4:03PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Who is Dr. Coomer?
Who is "the bombshell source?"
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 4:42AM
Steve Williams
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I don’t know! All this news is breaking news. I not going to look into that because, that’s “NOT MY JOB” — Giuliani.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 7:29AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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"It's another Rachel Maddow mocking fantasy, no basis in fact" - Steve Williams
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 11:13AM
Steve Williams
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I never heard Rachel Maddow ever mention a Dr. Coomer her report. Can you point to where you heard the name Dr. Coomer in this video presentation, can you do that?
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 12:08PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Don't you look at the graphics Ron?
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 1:05PM
Steve Williams
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Go to 1:00 and read what's on the screen. Rachel is well known for not reading accurately.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 1:09PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, I told you that I don’t hear Rachel Maddow talk about any Dr. Coomer.
Also the word that you was looking for is the term “ captions“ the symbol is “CC” and not graphics, you must have pulled that one right out of your behind pocket.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 1:27PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Just read along with Rachel Ron.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 1:31PM
Steve Williams
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Did you understand the term, Steve?
Steve, I told you that I didn’t hear Rachel Maddow talk about any Dr. Coomer.
Steve, did you hear Rachel Maddow mention anything about a Dr. Coomer?
Now on the other hand
If you was reading the captions and paying that close attention to the dialog, then you read this:
We reported earlier this week um on a deposition um conducted under oath and transcribed a deposition of Trump Lawyer Ruby Giuliani in which Mr. Giuliani admits under oath that when he started spreading these conspiracies Theories about voting machines somehow being used to steal the election for Joe Biden he actually had no idea whether the things he was saying was true or not he didn't like did anything to try to check these allegations he did concede that he might have read some FaceBook post that led him to make those claims but he could not quite remember and he also conceded that he did not talk to any supported witnesses he cited as souces for him claim he didn't investigate or literally eve look up or read anything about what he was alleging he just burped it out there to see what might happen
Steve, you read this evidence from a court deposition of the lack of preparation to bring forth the false and unfounded statement and you wanted to believe this BULL💩 SHAME ON YOU.
Listen this story is not about what name you saw in the caption, all I KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ERROR, which that could be a possibility.
If I was you I would try to find a way OUT too because I know you still believe in TRUMP'S THE BIG LIE, even after Rudy's Testimony Under Oath, It don't look good for him at all. That man is losing everything to support TRUMP just like you will and you know it is a LIE, SHAME on you Steve.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 4:39PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Rachel did a horrible job of describing this deposition. I'd like to read it for myself Ron, just tell me where I can find it.
Monday, October 4th 2021 at 6:51PM
Steve Williams
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What’s most important to pay attention to is Rudy Giuliani testimony under oath and what he said. Know if Rachel was not accurate in her reporting, that may open the door to lawsuits by Rudy Giuliani, Heard anything yet Steve?
Tuesday, October 5th 2021 at 11:21AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You didn't show us any testimony Ron. You couldn't even tell us who Coomer is.
Tuesday, October 5th 2021 at 3:54PM
Steve Williams
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Can’t you tell he’s reading from a court deposition while Giuliani is under oath? Can’t you tell how weak answers Rudy is as giving testimony to the court, wow under oath?
All of a sudden he’s credible witness he said was credible, he don’t know if his witness was credible or not because he never investigated thing he said supposedly.
Tuesday, October 5th 2021 at 10:53PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That is exactly is my point Steve to Rudy, where is the witness? I don’t know it’s not my job to investigate the claims of my witness. I did not talk to him.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 3:26AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That is exactly is my point Steve to Rudy, where is the witness? I don’t know it’s not my job to investigate the claims of my witness. I did not talk to him.
Did you hear the reading of what Rudy said in court deposition about his so-called credible witness?
Rudy, don’t know who his credible witness it. WOW!!!
Do you believe Rudy now Steve?
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 3:32AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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The witness is Oltman Ron. I have the entire deposition.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 3:48AM
Steve Williams
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Compare what Rachel says at 1:50, with the actual deposition:
Q. Maybe it's where you weren't
20 looking that matters to my client. In the
21 sense of Mr. Oltmann who says he was on
22 this call, I take it from your testimony
23 you or your team didn't interview him
24 about that call?
25 A. I didn't interview him.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 3:53AM
Steve Williams
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Is Ain’t nobody is trying to Produce this so-called witness because it ain’t my job Rudy said.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 4:01AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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At the heart of the case are claims originating with Colorado conservative figure Joe Oltmann, who alleged he
was on a Zoom call between members of antifa that included an executive at Denver-based Dominion Voting
Systems, Eric Coomer, boasting about rigging the 2020 election against Trump.
Coomer, also of Colorado, is suing Oltmann, the Trump campaign and others in Denver District Court for defamation
for pushing the conspiracy theory.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 12:47PM
Steve Williams
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Oltmann has been deposed Ron, just like Giuliani. What the hell do you mea?:
"Is Ain’t nobody is trying to Produce this so-called witness because it ain’t my job Rudy said."
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 12:50PM
Steve Williams
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At this Point in time I will keep my remarks restricted on to one person and that one person is Rudy Giuliani because it is so much evidence that Rudy pulled These Stories right out of his backside (it’s very tempting to use the other word) when he LIED to The America people and you see what happened because of that lie.
The siege of the US capital building in Washington DC by domestic terrorist White supremacy groups. They fought with capital police, Used chemicals on the police, broke windows in the US Capitol, spread feces on the walls of the US Capitol all Wow chanting shoot Nancy Pelosi in the head and hang Mike Pence, While taking siege of the US CapitolOn a failed attempt to change the will of the people of the United States of America.
This is not The American Way…
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 3:45PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I suggest you read the deposition Ron. "Rudy" had very good reason to make his claim about Coomer.
Coomer is accused of conspiring with Antifa to use Dominion machines to prevent Trump winning.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 4:12PM
Steve Williams
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I had to rely
3 on what I was getting and what I was
4 getting was the picture of a man who hated
5 the president, sure as heck seems like the
6 kind of guy that would love to see a case
7 fixed, works for a company that has a
8 reputation for fixing cases that has the
9 capacity to do it. He works for the worst
10 company you can work for, Sequoia, the one
11 that was tossed out. Why the heck
12 wouldn't I believe him? I would have to
13 have been a terrible lawyer that would
14 like to exercise -- rather than giving my
15 client the benefit of the doubt, I'd like
16 to exercise every single thing I could
17 against my client, gee, let's go find out
18 it's untrue. I didn't have the time to do
19 that, and there was nothing that said to
20 me I should do it. There's no red flag
21 that came up that said wait a second, this
22 guy is a boy scout.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 4:18PM
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Steve, do you think lawyers should have the responsibility to investigate a Charge or Charges that you as a lawyer will represent a Client in a Court of Law?
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 5:55PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I think Giuliani will win then case against Coomer. On November 19, 2020
there was every reason at the press conference to bring up Coomer's alleged
subversive behavior. All you have to do is look at that Dominion machine
and it gives me the willies.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 6:55PM
Steve Williams
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I did not ask you if you think Giuliani will win or NOT. Steve, do you think as a lawyer should have the responsibility to investigate a Charge or Charges that you as a lawyer will represent a Client in a Court of Law?
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 9:51PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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A. I had every obligation to do it.
15 The American people had a right to hear
16 this. It was being kept from them. The
17 Antrim audit was being kept from them.
18 This man [Coomer] made a startling statement and
19 he's a man who has the background where
20 that statement is credible and he's in an
21 organization that has the capability to do
22 exactly what he said and there wasn't a
23 single thing I knew about him that
24 suggested it wasn't true.
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 9:55PM
Steve Williams
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These are now your words Steve. What is the matter Steve, you cannot express your thoughts?
Wednesday, October 6th 2021 at 10:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You should read the deposition Ron. Do you need help finding it? The last thing Rachel Maddow wants
is for you to know what it really says.
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 4:05AM
Steve Williams
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GIULIANI
Q. And CISA, I mean you remember the
report they issued about election security, it was right around this time. I think it was November 12th.
MR. ZAKHEM: Objection to form.
THE WITNESS: Yeah, it was so filled with contradictions and holes and things they didn't investigate and information they didn't even bother to share or get, questions they didn't ask, witnesses that they wouldn't listen to. They refused to
investigate. They just wrote. That
was a totally phony report.
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 5:28AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, are you saying that what in Rachel's report did not happen in Rudy's court deposition?
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 12:49PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That's what I'm saying Ron. Rachel's report is made up. Just compare the deposition to what she said. Do you need the link?
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 12:54PM
Steve Williams
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Do you need the link??
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 1:21PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, how do you make up a court deposition, no T.V. Reporter doesn't have that kind of power of the courts. Now if you feel Rachel's report is made up, you may have a case in court, are you going to follow up, you will be rich if you can prove what say is true, put it to the test, Steve?
By the way Steve, IK have read 101 of this report, DISTRICT COURT, DENVER COUNTY, COLORADO 1437 Bannock Street Denver, CO 80202 https://lede-admin.coloradosun.com/wp-cont...
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 1:59PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'm glad to hear that Ron. Now we'll see what happens but nothing changes my opinion of Rachel. She's a HO. All the MSNBC, New York, morally superior beans are.
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 8:58PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, STOP IT!!! Rachel is NOT the issue of this blog Rudy Giuliani, Under Oath, Reveals Baseless Origins Of Trump Big Lie Claims is the story, that's why you want to change the story to something else.
Rudy pulled that dominion story right out of his body and you bought every LYING word of it and you still do, don't you?
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 9:26PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Rachel IS the story. That little tomboy has bewitched you Ron, it's that simple. Me too I guess, I'm watching her now, her latest conspiracy theory about the Department of Justice according to Rachel Maddow, NYC rockstar.
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 9:46PM
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You think so Steve, then why is Rudy under oath telling us how he came up with that dominion voting machines story. You can even see the holes in that man’s story, you do see that don’t you?
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 10:42PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Watching Rachel tonight was a mistake. Brian Williams tells me Trump spoke on Hannity tonight. I'll have to watch at 2:00, oh well.
I'll let you worry about Giuliani Ron, I'm not. I know Dominion is a real thing. We've got a huge mess to straighten out now.
Thursday, October 7th 2021 at 11:32PM
Steve Williams
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How do you know to mean it is a real thing? When the man himself told you that he got it off of Facebook? That’s what he said is proof was. FACEBOOK!!!
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 6:15AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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That's not what he said. He got it from Oltmann. It's funny though how you want to throw Facebook under the bus Ron. Do you believe Iran on Facebook is real?
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 9:50AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, STOP LYING like that Giuliani was quoted in a deposition that he took under oath. 1:19 in this blog where Rachel quoted him saying: “I think is was Facebook.” Now Steve, do you see your ERRORS? “I think it was Facebook” —Rudy Giuliani
This is now THE BIG got started. Now is that proof what Giuliani started as he testifies under oath about dominion voting machines. This is just more proof that I keep saying Steve you can’t prove a lie.
No if you can’t believe a man’s testimony under oath about THE BIG LIE, Then you have sunk really low in your belief in this lie. WOW!
Steve, STOP LYING, You are looking real foolish right about now with the proof right here in this blog and you still wanna bury your head in the sand. You have been LIED you and it was all apart the plan. WOW!!!
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 9:34PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Steve, STOP LYING like that Giuliani was quoted in a deposition that he took under oath. 1:19 in this blog where Rachel quoted him saying: “I think is was Facebook.” Now Steve, do you see your ERRORS? “I think it was Facebook” —Rudy Giuliani
This is now THE BIG got started. Now is that proof what Giuliani started as he testifies under oath about dominion voting machines. This is just more proof that I keep saying Steve you can’t prove a lie.
No if you can’t believe a man’s testimony under oath about THE BIG LIE, Then you have sunk really low in your belief in this lie. WOW!
Steve, STOP LYING, You are looking real foolish right about now with the proof right here in this blog and you still wanna bury your head in the sand. You have been LIED you and it was all apart the plan and YOU was being USED by Trump, WOW!!!
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 9:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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You think what was Facebook?
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 10:44PM
Steve Williams
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I am reading Rudy Giuliani‘s deposition that he gave Underoath. Do you see how Rudy Giuliani treated a key witness?
GIULIANI Q. Okay.
A. I can't tell you if somebody on the team didn't interview him.
Q. And you've mentioned the word credibility.
A. I think somebody interviewed him.
Q. You said the story was credible and then you gave your reasons.
Do you have any knowledge about this source, Mr. Oltmann, that led you to believe he was credible?
A. No, I didn't have any information that he wasn't. I mean the way it works
in a fast-moving case, I used to do liable cases, right, it's not my job in a fast-moving case to go out and investigate every piece of evidence that's given to me, otherwise you're never going to write a story, you never come to a conclusion.
There was nothing presented to me that suggested that he wasn't telling the truth and it wasn't a situation where I was the head of the FBI and I could go subpoena his records, his files, send out
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Did You see the ex-president’s lawyer talk in court in that kind away, like it wasn’t his job to interview him, what lawyer does that?
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 10:57PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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GIULIANI
2 Spain, you made comments in the press
3 conference about Spain -- well, we may
4 talk about that -- and Germany and Soros
5 and Smartmatic and all that stuff, but in
6 terms of the Coomer information on this
7 document, if you'd turn to page 14.
8 A. I think this is 14, TC 14?
9 Q. Yes, sir. In the middle section
10 of this campaign document, it says
11 Dominion's leadership has no ties to
12 Antifa, there is no evidence to the claim
13 that Dominion's head of strategy and
14 security has ties to Antifa. And then
15 there's a little note. Similarly there's
16 no evidence that Dominion's CEO, John
17 Poulos, has ties to Antifa.
18 And then it goes on to talk about
19 an Internet rumor that a top-level
20 employee has ties to Antifa and you can
21 read it down there.
22 In the middle it says the rumors
23 are fueled because of now deleted
24 antipolice Facebook posts.
25 A. I don't see that.
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Friday, October 8th 2021 at 11:31PM
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GIULIANI
Q. No, sir, it's down about
two-thirds of the way down.
Those rumors are fueled because
of now deleted antipolice Facebook posts. A. Antipolice?
Q. Yes, sir.
A. A blogger under the pseudonym
Conservative Treehouse alleged that
Dr. Eric Coomer, who he claimed was head of strategy for Dominion, was a supporter of Antifa for now-deleted Facebook posts in which Coomer allegedly posted anti-police songs. They were posts that
Dr. Eric Coomer posted in May. He is the man that is responsible for the
strategy... noticed the anti-American sentiment. Eric Coomer is a major shareholder in Dominion voting, et cetera. Okay.
Q. And then you go to the next page, there's actually the post that he's referring to.
A. This is the post allegedly from Coomer?
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Now here’s where the LIES of some rumors are being “ BUSED, as part of THE BIG LIES.
Friday, October 8th 2021 at 11:41PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I read the WHOLE deposition Ron. Rudy has nothing to worry about, he's got it covered.
Saturday, October 9th 2021 at 7:57AM
Steve Williams
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Did You see the ex-president’s lawyer talk in court in that kind away, like it wasn’t his job to interview him but yet Rudy was supposed to represent him in a quarter law. What lawyer does that?
Saturday, October 9th 2021 at 8:36AM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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Ron, we are talking November 19.
Saturday, October 9th 2021 at 11:23AM
Steve Williams
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I am talking about this Information Rudy Giuliani‘s testimony under oath: “ Q. You said the story was credible and then you gave your reasons.
Do you have any knowledge about this source, Mr. Oltmann, that led you to believe he was credible?
A. No, I didn't have any information that he wasn't. ”
Saturday, October 9th 2021 at 10:25PM
Dea. Ron Gray Sr.
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I'a, sure that you remember this blog.
Thursday, February 17th 2022 at 12:49PM
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