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Could Black Americans become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very o

Could Black Americans become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very o

Harry Watley · Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 1:03AM · 3298 views
Hello to all,

Could Black Americans become a sovereign people on the portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders?

Let me show you all from a different angle why sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent is necessary for our survival.

Firstly, it could not be denied that Black Americans are eight different people from White Americans.

Now, Black Americans lives under the jurisdiction of White America. For instance, the Constitution of White America affords all citizens the right to bear firearms. Now, while the right to bear firearms is good for White America it is not okay for Black Americans. Now, if we were a sovereign people or have complete independence our Constitution may be written differently. The point that I have just made think about it in terms of other things as education, because education is not our solution.

Another example, White America’s laws have restrictions on how Black parents could raise that child. For instance, Black parents cannot whip their children as my father and mother whipped me. Today my parents would have been put in jail for whipping me.

So, what I am saying is that through out the years White America’s laws while good for them have had a devastating affect on the Black population.

Consequentially, most of you cannot comprehend right now that what I am saying that we must become a sovereign people eludes you. In addition, all of you believe that the things I say are impossible and would never happen. However, it is going to happen.

Tell me what you think.

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Harry Watley Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 2:47PM

Hello Clark,

1. What do you mean when you say that black Americans are "a different people from white Americans"?
We are different racially, mentally, genetically, culturally etc. Of course, each race is different from other people racially, mentally, genetically etc.

2. When you say that the right to bear arms is not good for black Americans, in what way?
Statistics speaking and surveys taken over a period of time shows that Blacks have used firearms to kill each other rather than for protection or sport hunting. Consequentially, White America’s constitutional rights to bear firearms is not a good thing for Black Americans. Now, when we begin our sovereignty perhaps we will have a different view to bear firearms from our experience in White America while we were a subjugated people. Remember that most of White America’s laws are derived from England’s persecution of its own citizens. White America made different laws to govern themselves from the laws that was subject to in England.


Are you speaking to all the shooting deaths in the black community, or is this a statement on the unequal application of the law when it comes to blacks, vis-a-vis the second amendment?
I am saying that Black Americans will have the opportunity to write our own Constitution in respects to our own thinking, experiences, culture, desires and perspectives. In other words, what is good for White America may necessarily be good for Black Americans. In short order, I want us to have our own. It baffles me why any Black person would argue with me about having their own. What I believe the problem is that you are having problems seeing Black Americans sovereign and completely independent from White America. You are having problems separating yourself from White America to go on your own.

3. You said "education is not our solution?" How can that be when its clear that a lot of what ails us right now is a lack of education. Or are you saying that this needs to be viewed with an intellectual focus, but from an emotional perspective?
No! Mr. Clark what ails us is that we are not a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America. Not having complete independence from White America is our paramount problem. All of our problems are incidental to this one problem that we need to be a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.

Likewise, the Hebrew people’s paramount problem that God anointed Moses to resolve was that the Hebrew people were not a sovereign people or had complete independence from the Egyptian people. Therefore, all the problems the Hebrew people suffered from were incidental to not being a sovereign people.

Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are going to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders that we will inherit from our ancestors.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 2:50PM

Hello Jeremy,

Why do you say I am a false prophet? Would it not be better if you would just say that you do not believe yet that I am Black Americans’ first genuine prophet?

Tell me what you think?

Siebra Muhammad Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 6:26PM

HARRY, HARRY, HARRY...

(shaking my head)

Harry Watley Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 9:00PM

Hello Jeremy,

Let us understand the clear differences between you and me. You do not have a meaningful objective, but I do. My objective is to hold God responsible and to see the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. What I have is a clear and defined objective and you do not have the say for Black Americans.

Now let me make this clear to you as well. Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are not in the Bible. Black Americans who are descendents of slaves came into existence when White American men, mostly of British descent bred themselves with their African slave women from the 15th to the 18th century they purchased from the slave traders. Now, only a Black knucklehead would argue with me about this fact.

Okay, we know that we, as a people are in a dreadful situation that continues to get worse after each passing generation as witnessed the Black on Black recent beaten to death of Darien Albert in Chicago.

Now, while you are talking the Israelite nonsense which is not a solution I am talking about sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent as our only permanent solution.

I said that our situation is dreadful that God has interceded as God did intercede when the Hebrew people were in bondage in Egypt.

I refer to the story of Moses since it is the only like incident in humanity that closely resembles the life of Black Americans. In other words, by coincident two incidents has happened in humankind that is almost identical to Black Americans. Since a vast majority of my people is Christians and a vast majority of Muslims, they have a working understanding of the story of Moses especially the Christians. God have inspired me to press the story of Moses on Black Americans that eventually they will make the mental connection to who I am and what eventually is going to happen to us. No one else can do what is going to be done divinely speaking through me.

One of the reasons why no one else could be the Chosen One is because everyone else is attached to something as you are tied up with the Israelite nonsense. Mr. Farrakhan is tied up with the Arabian stuff. The Black preachers are tied up with Christianity stuff through the Jewish man named Jesus. All of these ideologies were here before the existence of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves and these ideologies are not new. However, since Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery naturally when our time comes that God will intervene, but God will give us will be all new. Our prophet will be new and one of our own. Our religion will be new and our religion is this, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves.” Our life will be new. Our country, which will be a portion of this continent that we can call our very own country with borders, will be something new. White America must let Black Americans completely go. Black Americans have always been let go by White Americans but never completely. God anointed me that White America will completely let Black Americans go sovereign and free.

Now, let me take a pause to give you a chance to respond.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Saturday, October 3rd 2009 at 10:02PM

Hello Clark,

Yes, it was a type ‘O’. I did not mean to type, “eight”.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, October 4th 2009 at 2:08AM

Hello Jeremy,

Jeremy I have a clear objective and that objective is to show Black Americans that sovereignty on a portion of this continent is our only permanent solution ever to become real people in this world today.

Your objective has everything to do with Jews and Muslims. I am not interested in the religion and lifestyle of the Jews or their alphabet. I am not interested in the religion of the Arabian Muslim people or what the Quran says about Moses. The Bible story of Moses is more credible than the Quran since the Bible is older than the Quran. Does that make any sense to you?

Black Americans have their own religion now, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”. All religions ties into the paramount problem of the people that their prophet was anointed by God to resolve. Black Americans are in most need of God’s salvation to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America.

Black Americans will soon become a sovereign people and have a country of their own on a portion of this continent. My religion is the, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. “ This belief is what I am excited about and I am giving it my all that Black Americans understand their religion and their pending sovereignty.

I am neither interested in learning the Arabic language nor understanding the Hebrew alphabet. The knowledge of these things does not promote the sovereignty of Black Americans or help us to advance in life.

Right now, Black Americans have no country and it does not seem to trouble you and us. We walked in the shadow of other people’s belief and religion and for some odd reason we are comfortable with it, but I am not.

It is apparent to me in many that you do not want to have your own. You desperately fight me against having something of your own, why do you have such a negative mentality against yourself and your people. Instead, you want to steal the Jewish people’s religion and the names of their ancient tribes and say that it belongs to you and other people who do not agree with you. Haitian people know that they are not from the tribe of Benjamin. You do not have anything worthwhile. God gives each race of people their own and now that God is dealing with us we have our own. I have never known you in all the times that I have communicated with you to say a word about Black Americans becoming an independent people, why is that?

I understand that it will take a while for my people to understand that they have come into their own today. Some will understand it faster than others will since we do not all have the same quality of understanding. Some of us will never understand some of slow to understand but most of us will understand and come to life.

The dialogues I wish to have with you; Mr. Jeremy is whether you could accept that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. This type of dialoguing is relevant, legitimate and worthwhile dialogue to have especially in view of our deterioration as a race of people.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, October 4th 2009 at 8:55AM

Hello Jeremy,

Okay, you said this, “I want us to be Independent and we will, however not under your program“.

Now, since you want to be independent and you believe that we will, but not under my program, then let me ask you this question. Is this independence tangible, comprehensive, physical and on what continent would Black Americans be independent?

As I said, these aspirations are more important to discuss than anything else is, am I right?

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Sunday, October 4th 2009 at 2:25PM

Hello Jeremy,

Let me say this before I begin. Jeremy, a meaningful dialogue is when questions, answers and comments of pose by both parties and respect it by both parties. For instance, I posed questions that you do not answer and that is not fair. On the other hand, I answer all of your questions. What you do 98% of the time is make comments.

Now, you said this, “Just because your 'MASTER' (Caucasians) mixed with some of our women, don't mean sh...t”

This controlled mix over 300 years of the Caucasian mixing with African women is real and has altered humanity that Black Americans today are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. Now, you want to over look this occurrence but I can not allow you to do so without giving a scientific reason better than it, “don’t mean sh…t”. In other words, I to ask you for a scientific reason why Black Americans existence as a new breed or race of people should be overlooked?

I need a better and rational understanding from you so I can be on the same page that you are on.

Tell me what you think.

Siebra Muhammad Sunday, October 4th 2009 at 6:52PM

Jeremy, Beloved, I would not waste anymore time or energy trying to get into Mr. Watley's head. He is about as looney as a crowd at a Lil Wayne concert (LOL).

Harry Watley Sunday, October 4th 2009 at 8:41PM

Hello Siebra,

It is not a matter of Mr. Jeremy getting into my head. I am not trying to get into Mr. Jeremy’s head. It is a matter of matching wits; you know his intelligence against mines. At the end of the day, we total the sum of what he is able to prove and the relevancy of it to Black Americans.

For instance, he has not proven whether Haitian people are really the tribe of Levi. Mr. Jeremy is just babbling that the Haitian people are the Hebrew people’s tribe of Levi.

Mr. Jeremy is far behind me. For example, I made the claim that Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery. I went on to how Black Americans are a new race and I gave dates backing myself up. Mr. Jeremy acknowledges my explanation and dates are true since his response was that it do not mean sh..t. Consequentially, I am way in front of Mr. Jeremy in this race of intelligence and all I have is a 68 IQ. A 68 IQ score is just barely passed the threshold of retardation and for me to be in the front, intelligently speaking of Mr. Jeremy, Mr. Jeremy looks very poorly.

As far as you are concerned Ms. Siebra you ought to go and take a seat in the back. I have repeatedly said to you that your leader Mr. Farrakhan does not advocate the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans because he is not the anointed one. You have not said that I wrong about Mr. Farrakhan. Perhaps you do acknowledge that he is not the anointed one that he is just an ordinary good-looking American Negro. I am the anointed one since my solution trumps Mr. Farrakhan and it will take my solution of sovereignty to get Black Americans where they need to be in this world. God is to me as God was to Moses.

Mr. Farrakhan and all his followers that know about me are afraid of me. I am as an earthquake to the rhetoric and propaganda of the NOI and that is why they have banned me from their websites rather than confront me if they had any truth or light for my people, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves.

Mr. Jeremy is also going to back off from me.

What say you?

Harry Watley Monday, October 5th 2009 at 5:58AM

Hello to all,

Each day that passes as I read the things that you all types opens a window for me to see into your minds, spirits, and souls that reveals to me how mentally dead you all are.

For instance, as Black Americans who are descendents of slaves you all not having any new experience by virtue of being descendents of slaves and still with the old slave master’s children, today not wanting to be a sovereign people must know that we are not intelligent people.

For example, look at the nonsense that pre-occupies our minds using Mr. Jeremy, Ms. Irma and Ms. Siebra.

Mr. Jeremy’s mind is full of nonsense concerning who the people of the tribes of Israel are today. Now, whether he is right or wrong this nonsense does not promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans.

Ms. Irma she believes that she is sovereign because she owns a lot of land 100 x 150 feet. Plus, she is delighted to know what Yahawah means coming from the mentally dead mind of Mr. Jeremy. Again, none of this stuff promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans.

Now, Ms. Siebra she is intelligent because she claimed she is a Muslim and follows Mr. Farrakhan who neither does advocates nor promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans. So, where does that leave them all but the same place they began, blind, deaf and dumb people?

They fight against their own sovereignty, as a drowning dog would bite the hands of the rescue workers.

We, as Black Americans are in a very bad situation and I say that God have inspired me with the concept of sovereignty as our only permanent solution. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way. Have I made any sense at all?

What say you?

John Washington Monday, October 5th 2009 at 6:43AM

Lol. Dude you're trying that's all I can say nicely about your topic. But it's ineventual that Blacks will have a potion of what is now America under the new America that is coming. When America breaks up into civil war it was because of it's historical treatment of Blacks and Native Americans. First the land belongs to Native Americans and African Americans came here as slaves. The South is heavily populated with African Americans and some of them from other parts of the globe whom now consider themselves African Americans even Obama is Kenyan as Louis Farrakhan and Colin Powell are both descendants of the Carribean. Obama won 10 states down South in a row that should tell you that Blacks yeild alot of power in those states even if those states are still the most outrightly racist. The potion of America that will end up under Black control will be majority if not all of those states in the new future. The government of the U.S in order to hold unto unity will have to guarantee Blacks a space of their own in order for them to prosper and still protect the togetherness of us all as the future will call for all resources and people for America to survive the coming storm of the Apocolapse.

As far as beating your children? That's simply your choice but beating children has shown to put fear in them and thus reduce their I.Q. I think it's a parental choice to beat your child or not and not African culture as you're making out to be. High expectations in children can't be achieved by beatings, threats or punishments but incentives, proper teaching and reinforcement along with lots of love. If we put God and the Ancestors at the center of our lives and instill discipline we could achieve a genuis generation in a few years. Children are always being born and there's always a chance to make changes in each and every generation.

Harry Watley Monday, October 5th 2009 at 9:16AM

Hello Mr. Washington,

Firstly, I am not a Dude, what ever that is. I am Harry Watley.

Secondly, I am not trying anything. You are the one that is piggy backing on my concept of sovereignty. You cannot explain it to me since I first presented the concept to Black Americans. Does that make any sense to you?

My concept of sovereignty that God have inspired me with have nothing to do with any civil war, the election of President Obama, or any storm of the Apocalypse. These things are a figment of your imagination.

You should first make an earnest effort to understand as much as you could about what I am saying before assuming that you have it right. Most American Negroes believes that they are some very intelligent people and we are not by far.

I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way for Black Americans ever to become real people in this world. We are going to inherit a portion of this continent that our ancestors left for us to become sovereign people or have complete independence from White America. The first thing that will be developed about us is our brains, which is our most valuable resource. As it stands right now, we are very far behind developed nations.

Now, I believe that you have missed my point about how White America suppresses Black Americans with their children. My point was not how to raise our children. My point was showing another way of Black Americans subjugation by White America underscoring the need to be a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America. I am 65 years old. I have raised eight successful children.

I know that you mean well and that is good. However, you are somewhat arrogant as most of us are.

What say you?

Siebra Muhammad Monday, October 5th 2009 at 3:34PM

We understand what you're saying about unity Harry, the problem is in order for us to unite we have to AGREE and have something to unite around!

In other words, I hear a lot of people talking about the need for Black people to unite but when we examine it closer we realize what they mean is they want everyone to agree with THEIR religion and THEIR view of life before uniting. They ain't trying to compromise and come to an agreement with others who differ from them (LOL).

Whether they are Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, Crips, Bloods, etc. most Black people are convinced that THEIR way is the only correct way and everyone else is condemned to destruction so you better get on board with THEM or else.(LOL). They claim to want "unity" but will draw lines in the sand over the simplest of matters.

For example....... You may say you want to unite with your Black brothers and sisters, but as soon as an Muslim come in the room wearing Afrocentric attire you're cutting your eyes over at them giving them a dirty look and calling him a spooky sardine eating savage who has no place amongst your kind (LOL). Demanding the brothers/sisters escort them out of the meeting (LOL). With that type of thinking, the only people you can unite with are those who think and talk EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

And even THAT won't last long because as soon as anyone stands up and questions the status quo or difference in their opinion then they too are driven off to form thier own little group based upon their understandings. Now I believe in unity but we should designate principles and ideals that we can all agree on and unite around those instead of trying to force everyone to think/believe the same way before uniting.

Look at White people. Some are Christian, some Jewish, some atheist, some Capitalist, some Socialist, some Pagan. They may differ on their religious/political beliefs but most of them agree on making money, acquiring land, and keeping people of color down. Neither their religious nor thier political beliefs seem to over-ride those basic principles. You can talk to the White Mormon in Utah and you'll find out his thinking is similar to the White Communist in Russia. An entire planet away from each other but still united around certain principles. We should learn a lesson from them and instead of only desiring to unite and work with those who agree totally with our religion we should find certain priciples to rally ourselves around and truly put our emotional bull**** aside or leave them at home to accomplish a greater goal.

John Washington Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 5:28AM


What you did with your family Mr. Harry (Lol) is commendable. But you've got to understand your point of view is one of isolation. Meaning that it could not work for others becuase they had different circumstances to face. Some people have better luck than others it's not that your sucess is to mean in life you are smarter or that you work harder. It could be that you have had your share of bad luck and you worked hard or it could mean you're were just lucky. Which that in my eyes shows very strong sense of destiny. However you can't project your values unto others as there are intelligent black people butthere are unintelligent ones in greater numbers. The trick is how do we get the small noble percent to rule over the opinions of the others whom out number them? It's clear we must rule for ourselves if we are to prosper we can't continue to be ruled by White people.

Now some Whites would agree that Black Americans need to be independent but there's another group with awesome power whom feel that would be a threat. The civil war of the 1800's was about this very same issue. The primary objection was Blacks were human beings thus mankind and thus equal and had the rights to pursue happiness for themselves and not be dominated like animals. The whites whom disagreed with this justified such beliefs upon the basis of Blacks some of them having come from criminals. Yes it's very true that the slaves originally put into slavery were those doomed to die by fire by their King. These were mostly criminals and people unfit to live amongst them. Also trapped up in the midst were innocent people just not liked by the nobles and the King and sometimes they were noble's families whom the King felt threaten by. The socio pathic element nature of some of the Slaves background became the basis of augrement that the Negro was prone to violence, inferior and a natural born deviant. Yet as time progressed in the slave trade as the amont of criminals/sociopaths in any society only comes out to 1 in every 10. They ran out of slaves but now the economy of the Kingdom demanded more slaves. So wars with smaller and weaker nations were contrived and thus millions killed and the rest, weak women, children and old people were chained up and sold to Europeans on the coastal fronts of West Africa and North Africa. These people were mostly not criminals and none of them were Christians either! Most of them were Yoruba, Ashanti and other tribes of Africa. It was the Africans whom did this unto themselves as the people enslaved were divided by language and tribe to prevent the slaves from overthrowing the buyers on the ships and the evidence lies in the fact only the Africans themselves made this distinghisingment proving they were at the top of the slave trade not mere victims or forced participants!

This is the historical background to why I make the case there will not be a Black Indenpendant sovergnity until there's an elimination of the forces that prevent it those within and those without of the community. This could be handled peaceful if there was true dialogue between the races, cooperation with seperate powers amongst Europeans particurarily White America. But the most important parties are Blacks American themselves. We have to decide that self rule is better for us or not. And as we know we can't agree on anything without there being a fight. I am comfortable Sir dealing with this negative reality but you Sir are not! I would like nothing more than peaceful more prosperous solutions to our vast problems to be implemented without negative confrontations but that isn't the trend that lies before us it is merely a hope. Yet the reality is that we can't continue the way that we are without there being a definitive eventual clash of good and evil forces naturally when things fall apart here in America in the coming economic collapse. Right now Youth violence is raging in Chicago and all across America and Chicago sits new the exact center of this country and pretty much tells of a tone that is nationwide not restricted just to Chicago. That is Black unemployment amongst Black Youth is sky high. There's no money and no hope for a future in their minds so they are wilding out sort to say. This violence is being fueled by the natural criminal element of 1 out of every 10 is a sociopath and then there's a huge amount of copy cats to crimes. These copy cats are lead by sociopaths into organized criminal activity that is supported by evil forces within the U.S government that doesn't want Blacks to prosper. By ruling us via proxity they don't asborb none of the violence nor pain that is caused by drugs and gun activity. Yet we are losing our families and our communities are dying out. Do you not think that if we confront these monsters amongst us that they will not retaliate with violence? Do you think there will come a peaceful solution with people whom are born criminals? The answer in my book Mr. Harry Watley is NO! Power only respect power and even amongst love has it's limitations when our whole down fall as a people is rooted in the lack of self love and the fear of love itself. Can't you not see this? If We don't rule ourselves someone else will true but ruling ourselves comes with a very careful decision one that will spark debate for a long time to come. That is how do we pull off self independance and overcome the negative forces without establishing security first?

Harry Watley Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 11:47AM

Hello Mr. Washington,

My position is that the only permanent solution, which would cause Black Americans who are descendents of slaves to become real people in this world, is that they become a sovereign people. Or, have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that they can call their very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in their own way. Does this make any sense to you?

Now, what I got out of what you said is absolutely nothing. You give an argument for sovereignty and you give an argument against sovereignty. You have to make up your mind. If you are not able to make up your mind then you become the sociopath.

Mr. Washington, do you believe that if Black Americans were a sovereign people on a portion of this continent, Black Americans would be a better people across the board? The answer is either yes or no. If you are answer is yes, then we can move forward to the next step.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 12:19PM

Hello Ms. Siebra,

Let me first say that I appreciate your comment since it is rational and intelligent. You pose questions, you make comments and you presented rational assumptions.

Your point is this, “in order for us to unite we have to AGREE and have something to unite around!”

Your issue is this, “I hear a lot of people talking about the need for Black people to unite but when we examine it closer we realize what they mean is they want everyone to agree with THEIR religion and THEIR view of life before uniting.”

Siebra your point and issue is that after your issue is absolutely correct.

Now, let us take your point first. The concept of sovereignty is something that we could all unite around despite our different orientations. We are subjugated people and discriminated against and the only permanent solution is complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent. Take for instance, after Moses was anointed and returned to Egypt to lead his people out of bondage they were all divided on different issues. However, the solution of the Exodus was something that workable for all. You know that I am right now that we could look back on Moses and see what happened. The same principle is applicable to the concept of sovereignty for Black Americans. Does this make any sense to you?

Secondly, let us talk about your issue of religions that divides us. The concept of sovereignty is not a religion and that is why it is workable. The more that we are divided about anything represents the multiples of nails in our coffin.

Mr. Farrakhan is a religious leader promoting the Arabian religion of Islam. Consequentially, Mr. Farrakhan could not be the chosen one bite your own awareness that religion stands in our way of unity. I personally believe that Mr. Elijah Muhammad possessed an earnest desire that Black Americans be a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. However, Mr. Master Fard Muhammad came along confused Elijah with the Arabian religion of Islam since Mr. Fard was a Muslim and a follow-up of Prophet Mohammed. This only proves that Mr. Elijah was not the chosen one either.

However, I am the Chosen One. All you need do is think through or closely examine the things that I say. Nevertheless, our sovereignty on a portion of this continent is going to happen.

What say you?

Siebra Muhammad Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 12:38PM

TEACH BROTHER JOHN, TEACH!!!

Harry Watley Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 1:00PM

Hello Ms. Siebra,

What points it is Mr. John is teaching that excites you? Please briefly explain to me one of two points that Mr. John made.

What say you?

D
DreeDree THELIGHT Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 5:46PM

Why are we attacking mr.Harry? Who are we to say he is a false prophet? IF Allah,Yaweh,God, Amen Ra (what ever makes one feel comfort) does send a PHROPHET who what when where & why will we believe? Well I will not attack... Ill listen and consider his arguement...Harry does not seem to gain much by saying he is a prophet. He has not asked for followers. hmm but yet we attack him. Mr. Watley you bring real statements to the table and I am willing to listen.

Harry Watley Tuesday, October 6th 2009 at 8:23PM

Hello Ms. Andrea,

This is one single issue of many for those of my people will have to deal with within their own ability to rationalize.

The reason I gave that I am the Chosen One is because I know what is happening with me. Furthermore, I know that when a Chosen Ones comes on the scene it is by divine intervention because the problem to be dealt with has reached the level that only God must deal with it. Therefore, the people do not select the Prophets. God chooses whom to anoint, does that make any sense to you?

Therefore, what Black America has at their disposal if they doubt that I am the Chosen One is to show that the things I say are stupid or to come up with something better then my concept of sovereignty as our permanent solution.

Now, my platform is and has always been that the concept of sovereignty is Black Americans who are descendents of slaves’ only permanent solution ever to become a real people in this world. In addition, I said that Black Americans would inherit from our ancestors a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders that will secure our sovereignty or complete independence from White America to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity. In short, our sovereignty is going to happen and I know it as much as Moses knew the Exodus of his people out of Egypt was going to happen.

The first responsibility of all prophets is to show that they are wiser than all the people are. In other words, for what I was anointed to do item wiser then my adversaries both Blacks and Whites. Was not Moses wiser than his own people and the Egyptian people as well? Of course he was!

Now, if anyone doubts me, let them show that our sovereignty is not our permanent solution and for them to show something better. If they are able to do this, then of course I am not the Chosen One, am I right or wrong?

Tell me what you think.

D
DreeDree THELIGHT Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 1:31AM

i dont think anyone can tell you that black people dont have a serious issue... show that our sovereignty and us uniting is not the solution.TThe response to your blog shows just how much of a job you have ahead. :/

John Washington Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 3:14AM

Now, what I got out of what you said is absolutely nothing. You give an argument for sovereignty and you give an argument against sovereignty. You have to make up your mind. If you are not able to make up your mind then you become the sociopath.

Mr. Washington, do you believe that if Black Americans were a sovereign people on a portion of this continent, Black Americans would be a better people across the board? The answer is either yes or no. If you are answer is yes, then we can move forward to the next step.

Tell me what you think.

I'll say this and I'm done with this thread it's time to move on! Mr. Watley you're a beginner in this topic I can see and I've said before that you're trying. Lol. Which means you're still in the early stages of thinking this out.

You say I give an arguement for and against African American soveirgnity. There's nothing wrong with considering the positive and negative aspect of an idea. Such as farmer has to consider worms and insects eating his crop while he plans to ploy the land. He has to proceed forward with farming if he expects to eat soon but he must content with the negative aspects too!

The Nation of Islam went into the Newark Projects back in the 90's and shut down the drugs dealing within 24hrs! Soon after there was a war between the dealers and the F.O.I whom the F.O.I you know doesn't use guns. The dealers came armed and they still lost. But the Police and D.A whom didn't want to see the drug trade in this all black section eliminated put up an arguement that the drug dealers rights were violated. You see the negative now? This will be the problem when you start talking about Black independance both Black enemies and White Enemies and other groups whom have enjoyed the fruits of exploiting us will not like to see their profits and plans come to an end. There will be a fight! If you think you can go and talk this people out of their view of us as weak victims to be exploited then I say all power to you because you will have made it easy for us. No war and no confrontation. I'm all for that. But you can't honestly sit up in front of your computer and type back to me that you believe this is how it will be. It is a mere hope and wish that not only you share but many of us whom are sane and just but the likelihood of it happening like that is very slim.

Wake up Sir the fairytale is just that a fairytale.

Harry Watley Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 8:11AM

Hello Mr. Washington,

I believe that you are expressing an enormous amount of ignorance mixed with an abundance of fear. Subliminally you believe that White America is invincible. Your ignorance and fear is understandable since the Hebrew people expressed the same enormous ignorance and fear when Moses told them that their only permanent solution was the Exodus and that the Exodus were sure to happen. Moses people cried out and told him the Exodus was just a fairytale and that he Moses, should wake up. However, it was not Moses that was sleeping it was his people that needed to wake up and Moses was there to wake them up. Am I making any sense with you Mr. Washington? Anyhow, we know that Moses had the last laugh, am I right.

Mr. Washington, your way of seeing things is on a human level as well as a conventional level. For instance, the doings of Dr. King as well as the FOI in the Newark New Jersey Projects are on a human and conventional level. I said that to say this, that the predicament Black Americans are in and have been in since slavery is divine. In other words, since we know beyond any doubt that sovereignty or complete independence from White America is our only permanent solution we have no other choice than to walk in that direct despite what lies ahead of us. Common sense should tell us that anything less we would remain in the same predicament that we are in now. Likewise, the Hebrew people expressed themselves to Moses on a human and conventional level, that is why it took them approximately 20 years to believe Moses, and then things began to happen, as Moses knew that they would. Of course, they did not have the insight and level of understanding that Moses had and that is why Moses was their leader as I am your leader.

Now, as long as you, Mr. Washington have this enormous amount of ignorance mixed with an abundance of fear I must match and overcome it with my wisdom and divine inspiration that you do not have. In other words, if you cannot show me that our sovereignty is wrong and present something better then by right you are obligated to accept what I am saying as the way. Does that make any sense to you?

In addition, if you notice Ms. Andrea’s comment just above yours she acknowledges how difficult of a job I have ahead of me dealing with the mentality of Black Americans and you are just one of 41 million I will be dealing with, imagine that. I told her I am working with extremely ignorant people if you do not mind me describing my people this way. Moses had the same difficulties as I do and I hope I do better than he did.

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 8:22AM

Hello Andrea,

Yes, Black Americans have a very serious issue on a divine level.

I appreciate that you recognize the task I have ahead of me as indicated by the response to my blog as you said.

However, we will overcome our own ignorance in time to come.

Today since we are the apple of God’s eyes, our own ignorance is against us. Before becoming the apple of God’s eyes, it was White America and our ignorance that was our greatest two problems, but today it is only our ignorance and I believe that our ignorance may be worse to overcome than White America.

Have I made any sense with you, Andrea?

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DreeDree THELIGHT Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 8:42AM

You have Mr.Harry.

I hope mr washington does understand that he does sound like he has a weak spirit or is not aware of his being... therefore he expressed fear. It is true Whit America makes its money from us we are the consumers NOT the sellers. So they may fght to keep us suppressed. Mr washington is okay witthat though... he has given up on himself.

Harry Watley Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 3:17PM

Hello Andrea,

Andrea, Black Americans are a people who cannot think in a straight line. In other words, we are not scientifically thinking people.

Let me give you an example of what I am saying. I will use the Muslim sect of our people since they feel that they are the smartest of all Black Americans.

Now, they readily admit to these facts. Prophet Mohammed was an Arab man and is from Arabia. Prophet Mohammed’s holy book, Quran, is written in Arabic. Prophet Mohammed practiced Ramadan, which is a ritual for the Arabian people as the Passover is a ritual for the Jewish people. There were millions of Arabian people in Arabia when Prophet Mohammed was anointed.

Okay, having all of these facts at their disposal, the Black Muslims who are descendents of slaves would still believe that Prophet Mohammed came to all people and not to his own Arabian people. So, I told them that I would believe that if Prophet Muhammad were the only Arab man in the world. Since he is not, then it is only obvious that he came to his own Arabian people as I have come to my own people, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. Sometimes they get angry with me and do not want to talk to me anymore. However, after a couple of days when I go back they do talk to me and I start them off on something different to consider.

But anyway, you do not have to be a rocket scientist with an IQ of 175 to figure out that Prophet Mohammed came only to his people who are the Arabian people.

Now, many of our people are learning to speak the Arabic language so they could read the Quran in Arabic, which is foolish, because our original language is English. All slaves and descendents of slaves in one generation learned to speak the King’s English because it was mandatory. Now, after 500 years what else but English is the present day language of all Black Americans who are descendents of slaves.

I keep telling them that they are not Arabian people, yet they practice the ritual of Ramadan. When I come around them, they scatter, as roaches would do when you turn the light on in a dirty kitchen, yet they boast that they are the most intelligent of all Black Americans. It is my divine task to reform them and make us into one people before God grants us sovereignty.

Do you understand the point that I am making here?

robert powell Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 4:56PM

People, urban and rural North Carolinanans scatter from you, Harry, because, many americans consider people who want to be king, and want someone to give you some nation because of your belief that you are a prophet; many people consider that; INSANITY--------- in the real world.

Siebra Muhammad Wednesday, October 7th 2009 at 7:02PM

Harry...Harry...Harry...What will it take for folk like you to sober up? You are like Ned The Wino on Good Times lying in the gutter clinging to his wine bottle that's still wrapped up in the brown paper bag that he got from the corner liquor store. You're holding that bottle tight (personal as all hell). You are drunk on personalisim indeed.

You come here talking sovereignity bull**** and gathering facts to reach the absolute by slamming someone else's God (ALLAH) and practices (the NOI) and this is nothing more than sayings for you. You produce no facts because you do not answer MY questions because you are afraid to answer MY questions. Therefore what I have shared with the members about you in the past to try to get me to merge with your idea, to abuse the members, to deceive the members could even possibly be true.

You had already been programmed about the NOI and have already been banned from the Muhammad NOI site for testing Farrakhan's followers in the wrong way. The law is to think 5 times before you speak. That incident should have taught you a lesson right there that you must be careful of what you say and even think about them because you have been taught that Farrakhan's followers have blood on their hands.

What is it about the NOI and Minister Farrakhan (other than you being banned from the NOI site) that fills you up with so much hatred and personalism? We were all babies being fed by the mother. So why denounce the NOI and make us believe that we have blood on our hands? You're so fearful and have the audacity to talk about you don't believe in no White God? That's bull****! You believe in a White God and much more!

You have no evidence, no facts that prove that the NOI is a bad influence and that Farrakhan is a cult leader. When you are confronted with the truth that you cannot prove that NOI is bad you turn around and say you cannot prove that NOI is not bad which still does not prove that NOI is bad. Or you will say that because we have a university, bakery, diner, (and you can name every single NOI BUSINESS that there is) this means that it is BENEFICIAL for all our people! The NOI has a system in motion for the salvation of the Blackman. We are producing food, clothing and shelter, and so forth and so on. With that said the NOI is not a cult and Farrakhan is not a cult leader. If he is then I suggest the definition of the word "cult" need to change. Well, well, well, ....Do you know that there exist the same system for the Blackman and any other man for that matter called welfare, food stamps, vouchers, section 8, medical cards, trade schools, and social programs? Does this also mean that because some Whiteman's/Devil's government got some things going in motion makes them better than Farrakhan and NOI? Are Bill Gates and Donald Trump members of the NOI (LOL)?

All of this has already been said to you and you still drunk off of the lie that you tell yourself due to your personalisim. I shared with you the truth of the matter and you could not even begin to investigate the matter cause you give yourself instructions not to. Eventually you wil get to the point that you cannot go on living this lie. The NOI Family has always been the Righteous Family and I WILL CONTINUE TO stand by those words! The truth has been told however....... due to your personalisim.

Harry Watley Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 12:24AM

Hello Robert,

What you have described about me is not how I should be understood. However, I do understand that Black Americans have very poor comprehension skills and some of us do not want to accept what I am saying even after they understand me. You all will go to great length to distort what I am saying. This behavior is all part of the territory of being an anointed one. Moses and Prophet Mohammed went through the same ordeal with their people, am I right?

Black Americans cannot comprehend simple things. Most Black Americans complicates everything because they see everything complicated. This type of mentality is indicative of a severely damaged mind left over from slavery.

Black Americans for hundreds of years have never been in a position to use and develop their minds. For instance, when we buy something from the store that we have to assemble, the first thing that we do is throw the instructions away, am I right. White America has always been making the decisions for Black Americans.

Consequentially, I understand you and others may view me as insane. It is not that I am insane it is because I am presenting our permanent solution of being completely independent that you all mentally are incapable of understanding right now.

Have I explained it that it makes any sense to you, Robert?

Tell me what you think.

Harry Watley Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 12:45AM

Hello Siebra,

The NOI neither promotes nor advocates for the sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders for Black Americans.

Therefore, whatever Mr. Farrakhan and the NOI is doing for Black Americans will always fall short of the goal of sovereignty or complete independence. Mr. Farrakhan is doing no more for Black Americans than what Bishop TD Jakes is or any White charitable organizations are doing. Mr. Farrakhan is no big deal to Black Americans

Black Americans need to become a sovereign people or have complete independence and only the anointed one sent to us by God can do this. I am the anointed one since I am the one that speaks of our sovereignty or complete independence while no other Black leaders do. Common sense should tell you that God would not annoyed me with a message that another Black leader is promoting and advocating, am I right?

It do not take a rocket scientist to figure out that having our hands on the wheel of our destiny we, as a people could do everything for ourselves above and beyond what Mr. Farrakhan is doing, am I right?

Tell me what you think.

John Washington Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 7:17AM

Mr. Watley and Andrea calls me fearful?

The only people who fearful are those whom flee critical thinking. This topic about a black nation on this continent. What would be the premises for such an idea of the current situation today continues to work? If America doesn't fail currently then there would be no need for a Black Nation nor more importantly a consensus for it. What do you think Whites, Asians, Hispanics and other races particuarirly our own would say to this notion of Blacks owning states to themselves? Do you think there would not be objection to it?

We can go on and on but the truth is this person Harry Watley doesn't even know what he's talking about and his just a beginning on this subject. He didn't cite any numbers, predictions or even sources for his topic of discussions. Instead this thread has become an attack upon the N.O.I, Minister Farrakan and people whom don't bow down to this inexperience man. Sure, Mr. Watley has lots of experience when it comes to raising a family, being an older gentlemen and maybe writing bullsh!t topics such as these. But he doesn't know a thing about what's he's talking about. Period

I'm done.

Steve Williams Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 10:25AM

John, I am done with Harry.

Siebra Muhammad Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 11:44AM

My Brothers, I don't blame you one bit. Keep up the good work and stay strong!!!

Harry Watley Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 1:15PM

Hello Mr. Washington,

I promote and advocate the sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans from White Americans on a portion of this continent to be our only permanent solution to our historical problems since our enslaved ancestors to us, today.

Now, you asked this question, “What would be the premises for such an idea…”

The premise, grounds that Black Americans be sovereign or have complete independence is that we are tired of being White Americans’ people. White America bought our ancestors with real money English money (pounds and shillings) from the slave traders about 500 years ago. Mr. Washington do you not think it is about time we the descendents of those slaves desire to be sovereign on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders? Black Americans wants to have their hands on the wheel of our own destiny and you should want the same as a Black American, yourself.

Next, you asked this question, “What do you think Whites, Asians, Hispanics and other races particuarirly our own would say to this notion of Blacks owning states to themselves?”

Now, this question expresses an abundance of ignorance and fear. Firstly, Asians and Hispanics had nothing to say when our ancestors were enslaved on this continent. So, how now could they have something to say when we become sovereign on a portion of this continent we will inherit from our ancestors? As far as Whites are concern, they will be hard-pressed but happy to see us finally sovereign free people. Mr. Washington your fear overwhelms you, and I told you that already. Your fear bleeds ignorance. The combination of fear and ignorance leaves a person absolutely blind, deaf and dumb.

Lastly, you mentioned the NOI. Mr. Farrakhan neither promotes nor advocates the sovereignty of Black Americans yet he is one of Black Americans leader, is that not ironic to you? You know if you could get past your fear, that sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent is the only permanent solution for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. The farmlands, the NOI’s businesses and the rhetoric Mr. Farrakhan preaches could never make us a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America. Does that make any sense to you?

Mr. Farrakhan is not a very intelligent man and that is why he is not anointed. Let me briefly explain to you why he is not an intelligent man.

For example, he believes that he is a Muslim. Now, over 1500 years ago Arabian people were pagan people. They believed in many different things as rocks, animals etc. to be gods. Prophet Mohammed was not a pagan believer in the belief of his people troubled him greatly. Mind you that I said only the belief of his own people troubled him greatly and not the belief of other people. He believed in one God. Prophet Mohammed was anointed by the will of God with the task to convert his Arabian people to believe in one God, Islam. Therefore, as he was converting his people from paganism to Islam he needed a word to call the new converts, he came up with the word Muslims, and that is how the word Muslim came into being. In other words, Mr. Farrakhan is not a real Muslim since he is not an Arab man neither did his parents practice paganism, yet he does everything the Arab people do. Mr. Farrakhan is just a very confused man. He does not realize that people at one time or another God will give them what personally belongs to them. Religion and prophets could only come from God. Mr. Farrakhan and those who follow him will eventually come to accept that I have by God’s willed the permanent solution for Black Americans. Do you get my point?

The religion of Black Americans is, “The Salvation of God for Black Americans Who Are Descendents of Slaves”

What say you?

Harry Watley Thursday, October 8th 2009 at 1:32PM

Hello Steve,

You sound as if though you are wiser than I am. You sound as if though by some off-the-wall means you have the solution to my people’s problems when you are not one of us. I personally believe you mean well. However, inherently feels superiorly intelligent to my people, and I am going to put a stop to that that will extend long have to I have passed away.

To be more practical you have exhausted your intelligence in an effort to overcome my wisdom and you have falling short. That is why you say that you are through with me.

I am the way for my people and not you, Steve. By virtue of common sense, I would have to be wiser than my people are and wiser than those that oppose me such as you. I am wise not of my own doings but by the doings of God which would attest to that I am the Chosen One for Black Americans who are descendents of slaves or else God would be not too intelligent. Does that make any sense to you?

The obligation that all of you have who disagrees with me is to show that I am wrong. Likewise, the obligation of the Hebrew people was to show that Moses was wrong about the Exodus. Am I making any sense with you, Steve?

Lastly, sovereignty or complete independence for Black Americans on a portion of this continent is our only permanent solution as well as an admirable solution.

What say you?

Helen Lofton Thursday, October 15th 2009 at 4:23AM

What I don't understand is why a portion of this continent was chosen as the place of sovereignty. It appears to me that Blacks remaining in the land of their oppressors only acts as a shield against the wrath of God upon the land of those who have held you hostage. Let's say for example that Black people decided to make an exodus back to the land of their forefathers. They would soon realize that they have been held hostage by the laws of their oppressors. If the story about Sodom and Gormorrah is true, then anythings possible.

Harry Watley Thursday, October 15th 2009 at 8:13AM

Hello Ms. Lofton,

For the purpose of clarity let me first define the portion that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves will inherit from our ancestors. For instance, consider the borders of South and North Carolina to the Canadian border and from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic Ocean.

Now, automatically your mind should comprehend a geographical difference of the continent. Therefore, to think that we would still be in the land of our oppressors is false. In other words, we would be separated by borders and therefore be in our own land or country.

Now, you seem to think that Africa is the land of our origins but it is not. This continent of North America is the land of our origin. Here is where our existence began. Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery.

For the most part, we came into existence when White American men bred themselves with African slave women they bought from the slave traders with real money. This breeding process lasted until after the Civil War. However, by that time millions of Black Americans were now a new breed or race of people that were neither Africans nor Caucasians. In other words, if it was two or three children from two or three different White and Black couples the children to be the results of an interracial marriage. However, when these children numbers in the tens of millions then they becomes a new breed a race of people. Does that make any sense to you?

Anyway, to answer to your question is that a portion of this continent is the land of our origin, since we are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery.

Tell me what you think.

Helen Lofton Tuesday, October 20th 2009 at 1:32PM

I realize that we are a new race because of inter-breeding, but we can't remain ashame of our exISTANCE before slavery. Our ancestors did whatever they had to do to survive and whatever their people did within their environment was considered normal to themselves. Only outsiders saw them as savage. Africa now has modern cities like america. I think that Black America will never know our real value until
we decide to divorce the land of slavery. I once purchased a one-way ticket to Africa amost thirty years ago, I never got the chance to go because strange events started happening after I purchased my ticket.
The day after I posted a comment to your blog, my internet service went out for a while. So you see,I'm still experiencing strange events even today.

ROBINSON IRMA Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

Thanks very much brother Jeremy. Now I know what the name Yahawah means. so far the people that I have heard using the name, have not been able to tell me what it means. so, again, thanks very much.(smile)

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