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Obama vs. McCain -- 7 days to go. Redistribution of wealth. (725 hits)

I'm fed up and can't take it anymore!

My experience is that desperate people are dangerous -- to themselves and to others. The McCain campaign has just taken me to my limit with this redistribution of wealth thing. One of the double-edged swords of the Information Age is fact-checking. However, there is a twist. Depending upon who is checking the facts, there is a different version of the truth. We all want to believe the best of the candidate we ae supporting, so we agree with "facts" that support our perceptions, and we ignore "facts" that disagree with our opinions.

I was so outraged by the suggestions of Marxism and Socialism, I had to do my own fact checking on this one. This took much more time than I wanted, but I must share what I leaned with everyone who really wants to know the truth.

The propaganda that the McCain/Palin folks are buying into is summarized in this blatant distortion of Obama's comments:
"Yes he just said it's a tragedy the constitution wasn't radically reinterpreted to force redistribution of wealth for Americans . . . and it's still an issue today."

See and hear the distortion at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Clearly, the McCain campaign and some news reporters would rather use a Youtube source for the basis of their questions and conclusions than listen to the full context of the discussion -- "The Court and Civil Rights."

This was a 50 minute discussion, on the NPR program "Odyssey" on WBEZ radio in Chicago in 2001, and his comments were taken from short segments near the end.

I took the time to listen to the entire discussion and offer the excerpts below in the time context. I would recommend that you listen to as much or little as you want to make up your mind about whether his comments are Marxist.

Click here to listen -- (http://audio.wbez.org/Odyssey/CourtandCivilRights.mp3)

Obama Comments:
39:00 minutes: (Dennis Hutchinson) "The idea that you can use the due process clause to redistributive ends ... "
40:00 Minutes: Obama -- "Essentially, it has never happened. . . If you look at the victories and failures of the Civil Rights movement and its strategy in the courts, the Civil Rights movement succeeded in vesting formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples... But the Supreme Court never ventured into issues of redistribution of wealth. . . and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in society. . . Generally The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. . . it says what the Federal Government and State Government can't do to you. But it doesn't say what the Federal Govenment or the State Government must do on your behalf. And that hasn't shifted."

41:00 minutes: Obama -- "One of the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement is that the movement was so "court focused" that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the coalitions of power that bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that." (the court focus. Parentheses are mine)

Reparative Economic Work? (in response to a listener's question)
46:00: Obama -- "I am not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn't structured that way."
46:00 minutes: Obama -- "It is politically very hard to legitimize opinions from the court. You can craft theoretical justification for economic change legally -- to bring about economic change through the courts. As a practical matter our institutions are poorly equipped to do it."

The court makes distributive decisions all the time. (moderator)
49:00 minutes: Obama -- "The court is not initiating funding streams, but their decisions do. . . have a distributive aspect to them."

There is nothing in the context of this program or Obama's comments that advocates redistribution of wealth. Yes, he mentions economic redistribution as a consequence of the Civil Rights movement. But it is intellectually disingenuous to suggest that his remarks or political philosophy has any Marxist implications.

I had to do this fact check on my own. If you want a short verson of this dialog, use mine. This is the truthful version.

Posted By: Roger E Madison Jr
Tuesday, October 28th 2008 at 4:48PM
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Hello people, everything Barack Obama said is always taken out of context, because McCain hs to find a way to try and discredit Senator Obama anyway he can even if it means lying inuindos. McCain is desbrate and in dire straights so he trying every trick in the book whether or not its true or false. I hope the American people doesn't fall for it again and be in the same mess as with Bush. Benny Douglas
Tuesday, October 28th 2008 at 4:56PM
Benny Douglas
Brother Roger,
I do understand what you mean by being outraged by the suggestions of Marxism and Socialism, but these people are grabbing for straws right now. It is true that they took his comments to mean something totally different, but it reveals what these McCain/Palin supporter are fearful of--Redistribution of wealth to blacks and minorities.

Thanks for taking the time for listening and transcribing the information here for us all to to make an informative decision about the facts. My question is what is the problem with taking the money out of the hands of a few percent of the people and making things better for all? It sounds fair to me.
Tuesday, October 28th 2008 at 4:58PM
Jen Fad
Sometimes you just have to pinch yourself to be sure this is really happening. I cannot, cannot wrap my mind around the fact that the Reps. chose Palin. It's like they just wanted to bow out on this one. thanks for the elementary facts, Roger.
Tuesday, October 28th 2008 at 8:29PM
agnes levine
Brother Roger when the mass media, be they pro or against Obama, ask these two questions I will start paying them some attention. Has Joe the plumber paid his taxes yet? Does governor Sarah Palin know yet what a VP's job is?

I still see that every thing anyone in the Republican party comes up with as being used against them far more that against the Democrats especially Obama.Let them continue to live in their own reality on what ever reality/planet they are on until November 5 which I believe they will remain on for the next 4 to 8 years.
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
We as a race of people as Bishop Tutu said in his congregational telegrm to Obama when Obama won the presidential nomination..From slavery to head the greatest nation on earth...Agnes, I can still not believe that this has happened in my life time!!!!

Every thing happens for a reason. Palin will assure that the Republican party look at how they run their party. Say, like not trying to blame all that is 'wrong' on Obama?
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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