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IS MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE ANOTHER TAX? (1359 hits)


President Obama has expressed his approval of Senator Baucus' version of Healthcare Reform proposal. That version includes that healthcare insurance will be mandatory. Of course, the healthcare mandate will not affect or be imposed on anyone with a financial hardship.

This mandatory healthcare is being described as a "tax" by critics. However, President explained to Mr. George Stephanopoulos this past Sunday during an interview that each person must pay their fair share for healthcare in order for the problem to be fixed in the long run. He further expalined that when an individual can afford healthcare premiums such as the reasonable rate that a public option will offer, but then decides to just do without it and take a chance, he or she will create a burden on everybody else who must pick up the tab when individuals receive services from emergency rooms (for example).

In most states across the U.S., I believe it is mandatory that all vehicle owners carry a liability insurance. This was mandated because of theincrease incaraccidents which led toinjuries, but the driver did not have insurance to cover the medical expenses caused by the injury received in a car accident. In Maryland, this is the case. Drivers must have liability insurance protection on their car. When they are in a car accident, the other party can be compensated for their injuries. Prior to this mandatory insurance, if a driver did not have liability insurance, you suffered by footing the bill yourself unless you had insurance coverage. The insurance companies battled over the problem of paying claims while uninsured drivers got off paying nothing, so to speak. The result of this drove up the cost of car insurance and flooded the court system with claims against drivers who then could not afford to pay the judgment. In the long run, it was finally enacted into law that drivers must, must carry liability insurance on their vehicle in order to drive it legally. The same issue of people with insurance being left with higher premiums to cover those who did not have insurance. Statistically, making liability insurance mandatory has saved millions of dollars.

If a person did not keep liability insurance on his or her vehicle, he or she received a penalty until either the car was taken off the road (to prove this, you must turn in your license plates to department of motor vehicle for that car) or liability insurance was obtained. Of course if the liability insurance was not purchased after the penalty started accruing, the state has the right to seize the vehicle's license plate which forces you to pay the penalty and obtain liability insurance in order to put that vehicle back on the road legally.

This is similar to what President Obama's supports for healthcare. Individuals can purchase an affordable plan through the public option which will defray healthcare costs for everybody, or he or she can be penalized.

Is this penalty a tax? Is this penalty fair to impose? Should Americans foot the bill for medical costs incurred by someone who can afford healthcare premiums, but chooses not to have it? Why do people prefer the emergency room for treatments/healthcare?

Ok, what are your thoughts?
Posted By: agnes levine
Thursday, September 24th 2009 at 9:23PM
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I think (the health care reform bill) is the largest step forward since the first civil rights movement. Have you noticed how statistics can state how many blacks will die because of an illness. Have you ever wondered how these statistics are decided,
well given the consideration how many blacks are unemployed, and underemployed.
This unemployed and under employed determines how many uninsured people.
If you have no health care than what are your changes of determining an illness
an its early stage? That is why health care reform is so important to people of color.
These are my thoughts.

Thursday, September 24th 2009 at 10:16PM
Cynthia Polk
Evangelist Agnes Levine;

As one who is a full proponent for President Obama's Public Option, I am fully behind the mandate that health insurance (just like homeowner's, automobile and professional liability insurance (malpractice) should be required.

To take each point of your question:

Is this [mandatory health care] penalty a tax? According to taxation as implemented under IRS codes, it is not a tax but rather it is a 'required' contribution just the same as medicaid and medicare deductions on your payroll check listing;

Is this penalty fair to impose? - Yes, if you look across the board and pay attention to the fact that - Americans as part of a democracy- are responsible to the government (which this law is questionable) to pay a bounty into the system to ensure that government runs properly. Therefore, if the health care issue is about to implode the financial stability of the county - it becomes a duty of its citizenry;

Should Americans foot the bill for medical costs incurred by someone who can afford healthcare premiums, but chooses not to have it? - I believe not - that is the justifiable reason that our President has indicated that health care should be mandatory so no exceptions such as what you have reference would exist.

Why do people prefer the emergency room for treatments/healthcare?

On this question I would extend myself off the ladder and say that I don't believe that people prefer the emergency room for treatment and/or health care. It is simple 'survival' in a situation where illness, whether minor or major, exists. That same person can walk into a private doctor's office and be rejected for medical care - legally
by the doctor. However, that same person can walk into an emergency room and under law the staff is required to tender medical care to that individual.

I have to admire the ingenuity of the people who find themselves in such a predicament and I also refuse to judge them or their choices for being creative enough - in some instances - to save their lives and perhaps the lives of their children.

Myth
Friday, September 25th 2009 at 8:27AM
Mythical Bliss
Clark, I think you are right on with your analysis. We are now a socialist country (like it or not), so at least let's acknowledge that and do it the right way.
Saturday, September 26th 2009 at 1:40PM
Steve Williams
But maybe we should repeal the Constitution and start over, so that everyone is on the same page.
Saturday, September 26th 2009 at 1:42PM
Steve Williams
hey All, I love the healthy discussions and Bro. Clark you always enlighten me about something. Thank you all.

I just want to squeeze in here about a few small things. Smile.

1) It costs America 9 billion dollars per month for the war in Iraq and Pakistan...9 billion dollars per month!!

I covered the teleconference held by President Obama and this is an excerpt from what I covered: "President went further to explain just what the facts are about the public option Exchange:

1) We will have a market place for people to choose from various plans with doctors. This means that the public option will provide choices of plans and choices of doctors to pick;

2) This public option will help keep private insurance companies honest;

3) Provide a benchmark for costs for services;

4) Make the healthcare industry competitive for decent healthcare;

5) This public option is just ONE component of the Healthcare Reform plan;

6) The public option is voluntary and not mandatory;

7) The public option will expand consumer choices;

I have to disagree somewhat with you Bro. Clark about the public option v. single payer. Medicare is a sacred trust and cannot be altered the way you pose; however, it will be bankrupt in approximately eight years if the status quo continues and we do nothing.

What is shrinking our paychecks each week is private healthcare costs. Everything you said and everything we already know about salaries and wealth care. I believe there is promise to lower the age for eligibility for Medicare by five years which will reach millions of people with health insurance since retiring, job loss, etc in healthcare reform legislation.

I also attened the healthcare reform summit that was held on January 17, 2009, and was attended by people from various parts of the country. The speakers included Lake Research Group, Dr. Judy Fedehr(?) from Georgetown University Public Policy Institute. I mention this because the information was exhaustive about the public option policy in the making. I posted a summary of that Summit in January and I hope you find it worthwhile to pull it up. It gives sight into so many areas that factor into public option delivery that will drive the overall healthcare costs down. The drug companies are living their last days (smile).

I am convinced that the healthcare reform will force so many "private" insurers to make changes about healthcare delivery, too, and I am also convinced that many of those who achieved wealth care are in for a real shock.

The one thing I want to really, really point out in this discussion is that any individual or family who has a financial hardship (inability to afford even the public option) will NOT be penalized and they will be able to receive preventive and wellness care.

Also, I want to comment that I don't judge anybody who uses the emergency rooms. As a mother of three young adults, and an adult with a mental illness, I've had my share of visits to the emergency room and the reason the emergency rooms are the first choice for many, is because of private insurance companies losing their minds!!!

Definitely, a private doctor can refuse patients at will. A benefit for the public option is that qualified doctors will benefit from universal software which will eliminate the need for a lot of "specialists" in the private doctors' offices. This will also drive down costs.

For example, so many insurance companies have thos funky little codes that only "experts" can decipher in order for the doctor to receive payment. Well, with universa lsoftware, everybody across the country will be using the same codes, etc. and that will drive out the need for unnecessary and expensive software and office experts. This is not to reduce the job market, it will enhance it because a code for hypertension will be the same for everybody rather than each healthcare insurers having its own "unique" code for high blood pressure. (gee whiz). These are the little things that will make a huge difference in driving costs down that people don't realize. Healthcare reform goes "behind the scenes" of insurance companies and chases away those teeny-weeny money pits.

Ok, thank you guys for the insight. As much as I know, I am learning and I encourage you all to share your views with your legislators!!! This is the only way it can filter up to the top.....

www.senate.gov
www.house.gov

Passing the peace,

Passing the peace,
Saturday, September 26th 2009 at 9:30PM
agnes levine
You know each time I hear this health care bill talked about among us as voters and those we voted for, my mind never stop asking what if the bill to go to war with Iraq had been treated like it was going to cost the tax payers along with the lives of their family and friends would we owe China(I dount if anyone knows the cost) all of this money????!!!!!!!?Oh, lets not forget how Hillary Clinton said she never even read the bill to go to war with Iraq...and she used this as a reason for the voters to send her to the whitehouse...

Trust me when I say that the politicans have earned $millions if not $billions off of this war....so lets face it this is all about a president's skin color...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Steve, if we just accept that we are a country of people who refuse to be the government themselves therefore creating a place for our politicians ARE REQUIRED AND ENVORCED to work in the interest of its citizens and not big business, we will continue to suffer from lack of no taxation with out representation as we do now.(smile)

example, remember how we only get in return for writing to our representatives, cover letters?(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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