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Mr. Watley here constantly speaks of a Black Nation but are we really ready for Nationhood or even self governance? I love Minister Farrakhan because if not for him keeping alive the teachings of Elijah Muhammad no telling where I might be in consciousness but it doesn't mean that I would be lost. So many of us are lost and like those lost in defending this man's great sin and betrayal of a friend. Louis Farrakhan admits creating the atomosphere that lead to Malcolm's murder. Many times he referred to Malcolm X as a traitor but a traitor to what? Malcolm's father Earl Little died for freedom early in his life when Malcolm was still a child this tragic event lead to Malcolm's X unfortunate life many refer to but never give credit to how Malcolm come to be a criminal. Being passed from foster shelter to living with relatives and then on the streets of Boston he suffered a hell most never know for his father's great sacrifice. But he redeemed himself and followed in the footsteps of his father and became a great leader in our American revolution. Too many give credit to Elijah Muhammad but Henry Clark and I and others know that Malcolm's greatness came from genetics not from hearing Elijah Muhammad. Many people heard Elijah Muhammad but didn't become Malcolm X and some were not even moved by his words including Minister Farrakhan whom openly admitted that Elijah bored him when he heard him. As African people we are the biggest believers in genetics because we are a family loving people whom constantly refer to each other as brother and sister. If we love the father or mother of someone we love their children and believe they will be great and follow in their footsteps. We were the first people to introduce, train, nurture and foster royal lineages. We loved our royal and noble families and we still do today when we take care to look back at the King family and show respect to them when we see one of them. Some of us do that with the Malcolm X family and we know they sacrificed two generations in the name of making us stronger! I wish I could see one of them so I can give them whatever I have to give them to say thank you for looking out for me even if it was your father or grandfather that did it I'm saying thank you through you for their sacrifice. This is the noble quality we should have in us and that we honor our greatness. But in respect to Farrakhan we have to honor the good he has done but no one can take away the bad wickedness he did. Many people refer to Farrakhan as Aaron well Aaron rose up to his greatness but it was Aaron's sins that almost destroyed the whole nation. The murder and betrayal of Malcolm X almost destroyed our whole movement for freedom. We don't trust each other any more and the Nation of blacks walked away in the 70's after the deaths of MLK and MX. The Baby Boomers felt the whiteman's ice was colder and they felt safer in white communities so they abandoned their own. It's all related to how we turned on a great family that gave to us. How could we justify not taking care of Malcolm's family and then take care of the men whom killed him? How can we have freedom and prosperity without having security that protects our greatness and maintains it? What Farrakhan did was disgusting jealousy but I still love him like I still love some of my family members whom committed heinous crimes. But as King in a Black American Nation I would sentence them all to death including my own blood. Can we make that step? Can we judge our own in the name of peace and security in our communities? Antisocialism is a threat to our unity, to our economic survival and ultimately how God favors us. We can't let sin run rampant while we try to justify the murder of an innocent man just because he was once a criminal. All of us have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. Malcolm didn't deserve to killed but murdering him and allowing the men who killed him to enjoy hero status was an ugly deed that God doesn't like. All because of one man's weakness and a bunch of corrupt money hungry negros whom robbed our children's future with their greed not because some noble principal like some are proposing. Malcolm wasn't a threat to the N.O.I or Elijah only to the corrupt money laundrying negroes that was taking from the people and Farrakhan was their ring leader. Right is right and wrong is wrong and the murder of Malcolm X was entirely wrong. The entire N.O.I wasn't responsible so I dont' say the N.O.I killed Malcolm. I say Louis Farrakhan and his cronies killed Malcolm. But to side with them puts you on the wrong side and to side against them puts you on the right side. If we want unity then we must unite behind right there's no unity with uniting behind wrong. The whole thing will fall apart if we unite behind wrong the way it did with the murder and betrayal of Malcolm.
Posted By: John Washington
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 1:38PM
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Hello Mr. Washington,
The gist of your blog spells out integrity and without it, our sovereignty will not work. You said wrong is wrong, you are absolutely correct, and the conspiracy to kill Malcolm was wrong. The NOI has the blood of Malcolm, immorality and robbing our poor blind, deaf and dumb people out of their monies that supports the elite. There is no equal return to our poor blind, deaf and dumb Black American people since only the elite corporate members of the NOI owns everything. That is how White America’s laws see the operation of the NOI. In other words, the corporate members of the NOI is operating legally while they are sucking the blood money out of the poor blind deaf and dumb Negroes.
The Exodus costed the Hebrew people nothing. Moses did not charge the Hebrew people anything to lead them out of bondage.
Switching gears, I want to address this comment that you made, “Mr. Watley here constantly speaks of a Black Nation but are we really ready for Nationhood or even self governance?”
This decision of Black nationhood does not lie with Black Americans. The determination that Black Americans become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is a decision that only God could make. Consequentially, God has made the decision that Black Americans become a sovereign people. I am the first to know, as Moses was the first to know of his people’s Exodus. Am I making any sense with you?
Let me apply some rhyme and reason to what I am saying. Black Americans does not have the wherewithal to decide for themselves whether they are ready for nationhood. Consequentially, Black Americans cannot free themselves, therefore, we neither could decide who our prophet should be nor could we decide that we are ready for sovereignty. Therefore, the determination that we become a sovereign people has to be made by an entity more intelligent than we are and more powerful than our opposition, White America. Nevertheless, as hard-pressed as White America would be they will be happy to see us sovereign.
What I am saying is the same thing that happened with the Hebrew people and Moses. The Hebrew people had no authority over themselves to decide that it was time for the Exodus. The Exodus was determined by God and arranged and carry through by Moses. The entity, (God) is more intelligent than the Hebrew people are and more powerful than their opposition, Pharaoh and the Egyptian people.
Now, it took Moses approximately 20 years convincing his people that their time has come. Likewise, I am telling Black Americans that our time has come as well. We are going to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Today Black Americans are the apple of God’s eye. 41 million souls will be lifted out of the hands of White America and claimed by God.
Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 7:49PM
Harry Watley
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You wanna know what I think?
I think you're not a prophet and the message of a Black Nation exists long before you. Lol. Long before I ever heard of a Mr. Watley.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 9:37PM
John Washington
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Besides Mr. Watley you're a Baby Boomer. You're time is up! Go get into a rocking chair. Kings should be warriors. We need a warrior, wise King to lead us not someone old person ranting prophecy.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 10:03PM
John Washington
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Hello Mr. Washington,
John you are focusing too much on me. Forget about me. I am nothing. Focus on the opening of your blog.
You said this, “Mr. Watley here constantly speaks of a Black Nation but are we really ready for Nationhood or even self governance?”
Now, the question that you are basically asking the audience is whether Black America is ready for a Nationhood or self-government. This is a very difficult question to answer. I answered the question and it is the answer that I gave is what you should be focused on and not me.
This was my answer, “This decision of Black nationhood does not lie with Black Americans.------ Black Americans does not have the wherewithal to decide for themselves whether they are ready for nationhood.----- Therefore, the determination that we become a sovereign people has to be made by an entity more intelligent than we are and more powerful than our opposition, White America.----- God has made the decision that Black Americans become a sovereign people.”
Now John, if you think that my answers are wrong, or do not make any sense or they are just plain out stupid, you are to say so. Otherwise, tell me that I am right.
The gist of my answer has nothing to do with me claiming to be a prophet. Besides, the fact that I am a prophet you cannot do anything about it. All that is within your powers to do is either to believe it or reject it.
However, my question to you is this; do you believe that my answers are absolute? Therefore, focus on my answers and give your opinion concerning the rationale of my answers.
Now, tell me what you think.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 10:13PM
Harry Watley
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I have a choice? To accept or reject you.
You're dealing in absolutes. Elijah Muhammad wooed alot of wanting to believe people with that mentality. Lol.
I don't make choices I made decisions my friend. I've decided a long ago that Biblical nonsense belonged with the weak. I am a strong warrior. My faith lies inner so is My God and my God is me.
I don't need an outer God anymore than you need wisdom old man.
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 10:38PM
John Washington
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Hello John,
You have to be some kind of an idiot. You asked a question in your blog. I came along and answered your question.
Now, I am asking you to address my answers in relation to the question that you asked. But, you will not do that. You keep talking irrelevant nonsense about Elijah and that your God is you. Knucklehead, that is not what your blog is about, am I right.
I know just what it is; I am too much for you. Consequentially, you are not going to answer my question since you see yourself inferiority to me.
John, do you not realize we are on the same sides? What you are doing to me is the same thing the ignorant Hebrew people did to Moses. Furthermore, we, as a people have always acted this same ignorant way towards each other since slavery. Do you not realize that you are part of the ignorance?
John, only God could help us.
Address my answers to your question John and let us move on, am I making any sense to you?
Tuesday, November 17th 2009 at 11:27PM
Harry Watley
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No. I'm not idiot. Why you choose to focus upon this biblical nonsense? Don't you know there's was no Moses? The mythical character of Moses and the Children of Israel never existed in the sense the Bible is making? Don't you know history?
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 7:32AM
John Washington
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Hello John,
Okay, you are coming around. Now, we could at least dialogue rationally and with dignity. I know that you are not an idiot. I resort to these psychological tactics mentally shocking the person to get them back on focus. I know that no one cares to be called an idiot.
John, we must start with your question that you asked. The gist of your question is whether Black Americans are really ready for nationhood or self-governance.
The answer that I provided implied that the answer to your question lies with God and not with Black Americans, per se. I went on to reference the Moses story since Black America’s plight is very much identical to that of Moses and the children of Israel.
At this point, whether the story of Moses is true or not is not really important. What is important is whether you truly understand the moral of the story, the gist of the story and how the story played out.
At a later date, I will prove that the story is true. But, for now, the point I am trying to get across to you is that determining whether Black Americans are ready for sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is not for Black Americans to determine. In fact, it has already in deciding that Black Americans will become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent.
Black Americans do not have the wherewithal to help themselves, so naturally the decision of nationhood Black Americans neither could make for themselves. Therefore, such an important and difficult decision must lie with an entity more intelligent than Black Americans and stronger than White America. Do you understand where I am coming from?
So, in conclusion what I am saying is that the decision of nationhood Black Americans cannot determine this for themselves.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 10:35AM
Harry Watley
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Black nationhood is gonna happen all on it's own. There's nothing we can do? That's insane.
We can make the transition smoother.
Now tell me what you think? Lol.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 1:38PM
John Washington
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Hello John,
You said this, “Black nationhood is gonna happen all on it's own. There's nothing we can do? That's insane.”
John, let us back up for a moment. We are trying to determine if Black Americans could make the decision to become a sovereign people.
I took the position that Black Americans are incapable of making the decision of nationhood for themselves. We know that we cannot or else we would have made this decision all the way back to Frederick Douglass days. Does that make any sense to you?
Therefore, if you think that what I am saying is insane and that Black Americans could make this decision for themselves then explain to me why we have not made the decision to be sovereign yet.
I want you to understand and that only God could make this decision and God has already decided that we shall be a sovereign people on the portion of this continent that we could call our very own country borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. The first signed of this happening will be from God’s prophet speaking it to us.
Now, once you understand what God’s prophet is saying to you, then of course we, as a people will make the transition smoothly. The difference here is that only God’s prophet could lead us to sovereignty since the prophet is the only one God is backing, inspiring and guiding. Am I making any sense?
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 2:44PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Siebra,
Let me give you an overview and then make my case.
I was 20 years old when Malcolm was assassinated. I remember the insensitive comment of Mr. Elijah Muhammad about Malcolm’s death. Elijah said that Malcolm got what he preached. Elijah went on to say that Malcolm preached violence.
In addition, the comment that Mr. Louis Farrakhan made to the Jet before Malcolm was assassinated is very telling and it speaks for itself.
Now, Mr. Elijah Muhammad immorality was at stake and so he had a lot to gain from Malcolm’s death. Mr. Farrakhan had a lot to gain as well since he would step into Malcolm’s position. Am I right?
Okay, my cases is this, just about all Black Americans saw the Nation of Islam as a sign of divine intervention, especially in the 1960s.
The NOI used to refer to Malcolm constantly as a traitor. Nevertheless, I wondered for many years why would Malcolm trouble Mr. Elijah Muhammad. As time passed Elijah’s immorality with those Muslim sisters old enough to be Elijah’s grandchildren began to bubble up to the surface and Malcolm knew of these incidents.
I always had second thoughts about the NOI, Mr. Elijah Muhammad and especially Mr. Fard Muhammad. Nevertheless, the NOI stood out in front of other groups by three car lengths. Again, I just knew that something was not right but I did not know what was wrong. In other words, even if Mr. Elijah Muhammad were upright it would not have mattered. Something was still wrong as far as divine intervention is concerned.
As a result, when God anointed me my concerns were resolved. God inspired me to understand that it was a man, Dr. Master Fard Muhammad that raised Elijah. Elijah was not raised as Moses, Prophet Mohammed and I was. In other words, God raised us while a man raised Elijah. Indeed, Dr. Master Fard Muhammad was a very intelligent man. However, Black America’s plight is as such that only God could deliver us, the same as it was with Moses and the Hebrew people in Egypt.
Consequentially, the evil in all common people drove the leaders of the NOI to kill Malcolm and blame it on the FBI for their personal gains.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 8:54PM
Harry Watley
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Beloved, You know it would be a wonderful thing to witness true unity as a woman who grew up in the NOI but THIS by far is not what Malcolm, Farrakhan or even Martin would have wanted from you, to spur such venom amongst another person just to get the upper hand is uncivilized at best. If you aren't in agreement with my comment, point to something greater or produce your own!! Accept it or leave it alone. And the so-called males on this forum who work diligently to aid you in your negative expression, from the elders all the way down to the young, it's sad in the sense that how can those whom claim to be revolutionaries or are intelligent, constantly spew such venom, have you any other motivation in life, like doing for self, as a unit, not individual?
We all should be intelligent and refined in our speech, but we must also remember that we are NOT children. And I personally can say it cause, you have this ill will for Farrakhan, however do you ever attempt to go after this devil/whiteman that put you and our people in this predicament? Are you at his neck to cause him to change his ways or ignite the change in yourself and our people to uplift us out of this misery, are you making any sort of way for anyone to latch on and find their salvation, and not just through your mud slinging and your insults?
Think before answering, and when you do answer, point to me where, I would like to see this place; cause in NOI we have the spiritual (through Elijah Muhammad and the Minister) and have time to process (through the mental), so now it must be physical, don't duck around this idea, cause if the NOI (of today) is bad as you say, where else should the people be going.
And in closing I personally would like to thank Allah for providing such a place, whether you are in agreement or not, just as you come to this site making mockery of Farrakhan and others, which is your choice, the same can be said for me, I have mines. However, whether it be Minister Farrakhan, Obama, Malcolm, Martin, Jesse, Sharpton, etc, even Marcus Garvey for that matter, no man/person/or entity has stood up and done more for me personally or for our people in clearing our minds of the filth that this world produces, showing and proving through his actions, shared knowledge and the application of it, that without a shadow of a doubt he is the one everyone has been seeking, by bringing the absolute to what has been laid (base) even if they go about in a way that is disrespectful and mockery filled. Remember the message/messenger wasn't to be the finality in all this!!
Understanding is the last thing to come and we all were babies being feed by the mother and even then we can see most of you didn't comprehend or follow that well, the majority of us are just great reciters, but love to criticize the one doing!! So cause it's a constant on this board, for most of us to just TALK, but never DO, keep breathing, it's not my will, cause I stand for truth. We are all witnessing the Fall of America, I would like to see those that want to be saved make it. Would you?
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 9:02PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Siebra,
I do not know who your post is addressed it to, since it does not have a name at the top.
However, you said something that is very important. You said this, “Remember the message/messenger wasn't to be the finality in all this!!”
This is correct. I am who God have anointed that Mr. Elijah Muhammad had a premonition of coming after him. Dr. King had a premonition of me as well when he said that he might not get to the Promised Land with us, but as a people, we will get to the Promised Land. Naturally, someone would have to lead us into the Promised Land, which is I.
Siebra, when God, raises a prophet up from among his own kind from the people’s perspective they would not know who or where that person will be coming from, since it is not the people’s choice to select their own prophet.
For instance, Jesus came out of Nazareth and there was a saying in those days that nothing good comes out of Nazareth. Do you get the picture of what I am saying, Siebra?
No Hebrew knew that Moses would be their anointed prophet. No Arabian knew that Mohammed would be their anointed prophet as well. Do you understand me, Siebra?
Siebra, I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 10:41PM
Harry Watley
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You guys speak mythical and hide behind mythological biblical nonsens. Mythology is something this isn't to be debated or has any logic in this world. You say God send you who's God yours or mine? There's only one God but your perception of God is yours not mine. Let's get that right.
I watched on this blogging board post after post condemming Malcolm X an innocent man who suffered being murdered by those he tried to save and those his father died saving. Ill will towards Farrakhan how about your ill will towards justice? There's no statue of limitations on murder.
Yes I'm a revolutionary but we must mature to understand our people invented slavery not whites. Our people killed more people invading neighboring countries than died in the Middle Passage. Yet this history is covered up to hide our shame just as the murder of Malcolm by the corrupt and power hungry Louis Farrakhan and Elijah's murder molestation of innocent girls is covered to hide the N.O.I's shame. But it is not the entire N.O.I that killed Malcolm. The people are innocent of this crime it was the leadership that committed the murder of Malcolm and the fleecing of the People's wealth.
Mr. Watley speaks of a seperate Nation for Blacks so does the N.O.I but who in the hell wants to live in a Nation that has no justice? I'm not going to trade one devil for another.
I say revolution because that gives us as a people a common cause but I'm after much more than that. Revolution have come and gone around the world and yet the same sins and corruptions persist in those new governments.
All this absolute propositions that you and Mr. Watley make like accept it or leave it alone talk. Long before I meet either of you I decided not to bow to ignorance and darkness disguised as good. So I don't have to make the choice to accept or leave it alone my mind was made up long ago.
I'm secure within myself. Thank you for reading.
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 10:42PM
John Washington
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Hello John,
You are a very confused man. I neither advocate nor promote a separate nation for Blacks. I advocates and promotes sovereignty or complete independence as Black Americans only permanent solution on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. In other words, I do not promote separation for Black Americans.
In addition, you and I have not resolved my answer to your question on this blog. My answer was that Black Americans could not make the decision for themselves to become a sovereign people. God has already made that decision for us and I am anointed to carry out. You have not said whether I was right or wrong.
Incidentally, you are not a revolutionary. You had just angry. Nevertheless, concentrate on the things that I say and answer them with your best wisdom.
What say you?
Wednesday, November 18th 2009 at 10:58PM
Harry Watley
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Blacks are called angry everywhere because we are on the bottom. In this forum I am on the bottom because very few of you have any principles. You're claiming you're a prophet and then calling me confused? WTF. Lol.
You're an old man with very little life left in you. You should be atoning for your sins and try to spread wisdom instead you're adding more confusion. We have too many claiming they are prophets and all saying God sent them. If I was from God I wouldn't want to join this crowd I would just do good and let it be.
But you're just an old man with very little life or accomplishment so you're going take the easy way out which is the Devil's way but tricking people into believing you are a prophet. You have no shame.
My thread is about Malcolm X not Uniting a Black Nation or starting one. I started with that because you have flooded the board with that nonsense. It's not good to start up this debate when you don't have the principals to be a prophet or anything like.
Thursday, November 19th 2009 at 8:28AM
John Washington
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Hello John,
If it is in you that, you could be honest and objective at the same time you with notice that you are not permitting this dialogue between us to bear good fruits. You will constantly picking any nonsense to say about me and not focus on the real issues, which are the conditions of Black Americans and what the solution must be. Consequentially, all you are doing is what all ignorant and Negroes do is whine, complain and disrupt. Whining, complaining, disruptions and excuses is the agenda of all ignorant Negroes.
For instance, you said this, “Blacks are called angry everywhere because we are on the bottom.” This comment is indicative of whining and complaining.
Next, you said this, “In this forum I am on the bottom because very few of you have any principles.” This comment is also whining and complaining about yourself.
Next, you said this, “You're claiming you're a prophet and then calling me confused? WTF. Lol.” This is a comment complaining about me being a prophet, which is irrelevant to the topic of your blog.
Lastly, you said this, “You're an old man with very little life left in you.” This is a comment of disruption, childish and adds nothing of benefit to the topic of your blog.
John, your entire responds is stupid which leaves in the mind of a prudent person that you are an idiot.
Please fasten together the seams of your brain and let us have a fruitful dialogue, if you could intelligently manage my request.
Tell me what you think.
Thursday, November 19th 2009 at 9:55AM
Harry Watley
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