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We open our Bible or Quran and notice that every prophet mentioned starting with Noah to Jesus in the case of Bible or to Muhammad in the case of Quran have come and they have gone. Each one added to man's understanding of Almighty Gods Will. Yet, of Christianity and Islam, we hear of brothers claiming to be a new brand new prophets. Onless, they want to come with a brand new Quran and add themselves in their...its almost like they are singing to the choir. Same for Christianity. But, All Black men have a share of God's might which lets brothers know that we are of God. If you are looking for someone to admire you or worship you...Maybe you should try a differant genre than you are the new fresh, out of the box prophet. After all the prophets, comes the return. And how awesome is the return. Fire is in HIS eyes meaning He would be very upset. In the days of the return, there would be war and rumors of war. In the days of the return, there would be parents killing children and children killing parents. Therefore, the days of the return is when the father needs to get his house in order or risk losing his house and life. We as a black nation of people should reflect on the next step of our race in its sojourn toward freedom and that why they put a black man in the Oval seat to make Almighty God think that they(the establishment) has changed their ways. But, in the days of HIS return....Blacks as a whole are wising up that it is YOU AND I that must collectively plan our future if we are to succeeed....please check my book www.trafford.com/06-2972
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 11:19AM
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Greetings Jamal,
Let me tell you again what the Bible is and what the Quran is.
The Bible is the Jewish people’s testimony to the world of how God has helped them in their times of trouble with other races as well as help them personally. For instance, it is the testimony of Moses how God helped the Children of Israel overcome the adversities of Pharaoh.
It is the testimonies of the Arabian people how Allah helped them overcome paganism through their genuine prophet, Prophet Mohammed. Am I right about saying these things?
Now, based upon how God has done things with the Jewish and Arabian people anyone with an ounce of brain could deduce that it would be no different with Black Americans as well. Black Americans presently has our own prophet from God.
I said this to say that your blog is nonsense. Black America’s first genuine prophet is not to be judged by the Bible or the Quran. These books specifically belong to their respective people. What you could draw from these books is pattern. You could look at these books as a template or pattern of how God does things. For instance, we see that Prophet Moses matched the race of the Children of Israel. We see that Prophet Mohammed match the race of the Arabian people. Consequentially, we see a developing pattern that confirms prophets are matched to their races. You cannot deny me that am I right. Therefore, our prophet will be a Black American as we are.
In addition, Black Americans who are descendents of slaves are an entirely different people from the people of the Bible and Quran.
Mr. Jamal, prophets do not come to intelligent people. Prophets come to people that are grossly ignorant. For instance, Prophet Moses came to an ignorant people. Prophet Mohammed came to an ignorant people as well. Do you not suppose that you are ignorant and that is why God has sent you an all Black Americans a prophet?
Prophets turns their ignorant people into intelligent people, am I right.
Again, your blog is full of foolishness and I want to see you do better in the future. Understand first that prophets are matched racially to their own people.
Tell me what you think.
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 3:20PM
Harry Watley
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Peace to You, Mr. Watley
First, I would suggest you drink a glass of water and cool down. By now, as we end 2009 and aproach 2010 people including black people have heard that the Bible has been tampered with. WE NO THAT. WE BEEN KNOWING THAT SINCE ELIJAH MUHAMMAD. Period. But, there is the truth of the Bible nevetheless that we can not skate around and that is that there comes a time in human history that all prophets commission by One God will have been sent and left. At that time, there comes a nashing of teeth. That is the One God becomes angry. Remember, what is being explained is an oversimplification of metaphors and symbols in the Bible. But it gets down to a point when The One God sends NO MORE PROPHETS. There is that point in the Bible. And when that point comes it is considered the day of Judgement and of His Return. Scientists call it the day of return. Even in Electricity, most people don't know that when lightning strikes the ground there is both a electric charge of energy that flows from the cloud to the ground but also a return flow of charge from the ground back up to the cloud.
Tell me please, what you think, but after you have had a glass of water.
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 3:43PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal,
As a scientist, I believe: I am Created. I can find spiritual truth in the writings of others, whether the Old Testament, New Testament, Quran, and many other writings. I can admit the possibilities of prophesy and miracles. But I cannot reconcile a loving Creator with a Day of Judgment. So I choose to believe God loves all Creation.
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 5:01PM
Steve Williams
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Steve, Good Day
Very well said, but lets look back at History and reflect on the days of Noah...or in the days of Lot and Sodom and Gomorah...or in the days of Moses with the Pharoah of Egypt that the Creator gets so angry with the evils of a nation that He decides to destroy all including women and children and save just a few...What are you thoughts ?
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 5:09PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal,
There is the question of the historicity of the Bible. The oldest parts were compiled from many different traditions; at least four separate written sources are acknowledged for the books of Moses by many modern biblical scholars. This accounts, for instance, for two separate versions of Creation in the first books of Genesis. Other parts appear to have been written substantially after the fact, such as parts of the pre-exilic histories which were likely written much later, after the exile. In the New Testament, the earliest writings date from about 40 years after Jesus lived.
To take one interesting example, after Lot was saved from the destruction of Sodom, he impregnated his two daughters. Presumably, his daughters made him so drunk that he did not realize it was them he was impregnating. Scientifically speaking, I think a man would have the physical ability to perform the act if he was that drunk.
However, there are many places in the Bible that make me wonder about extraterrestrial intervention. Who were these angels and other manifestations of God that are talked about in so many places in the Bible?
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 5:54PM
Steve Williams
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Excuse me, meant would not have the physical ability.
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 5:56PM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, Hello
I see you have done your homework. A illusion many people have is that prophets of God have to be perfect...Not so...God has found favor in these people from apparently some quality or another and found fit to chose them as His representative.., but yet, they may fall into certain weakness. Look at Solomon, favored by God but so many wives made him less effective. And far as extraterrestrial is generally the result of an untrained eye looking at high tech innovation that is completely explanable. But all in all, either version account that it did take place, and under the same type of circumstances that American Black people live. A people totally reliable on another race is not the way to live. Black people are spoiled into slavery and don't even know it. It takes an exodus type of change to truly upgrade the quality of life for black Americans.
Thursday, December 31st 2009 at 11:34PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
Jamal, you have not fully understood for the most part anything that I have been saying to you. You are not allowing the natural processes of rationalizing new information to what you already know unravel. That means you are not in the position to learn, you are stuck somewhere in the past with the Bible, Quran and Mr. Elijah Muhammad.
I do not necessarily have to be right about the things I say. However, you must rationalize them and if you disagree, prove them wrong. That is your obligation, as an intelligent person would do. What I have just said is what I am doing to you concerning the knowledge and understanding that you have. In other words, I am proving them wrong and you are still holding on to them. That is irrational thinking.
For instance, when you said that the Bible has been tampered with and you know this because Mr. Elijah Muhammad said so; I am not disputing the tampering of the Bible. The tempering of the Bible is not my point.
What I am saying to you is that the Bible is the testimony of the Jewish people of how God has helped them in their history. What you are doing is using the Bible to judge everything else by in an absolute way and that is wrong. My point is that tampering is one thing. But, what I am saying is that the Bible does not govern Black Americans and you. Our religious book that will govern us is forthcoming. We then will have our own testimony to share with the world of how God has helped us out of White America’s grip. Again, the Bible is a good book, but the Bible is not the governing book of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves.
Mr. Elijah could not interpret the Bible because there is nothing to interpret about Black Americans. The Hebrew people know more about the Bible than anyone else could since it is about them, am I right.
When God visits a people, it is by means of a prophet to the people. A religious governing book follows and naturally, that book specifically belongs to that people and no other people. The text of the book is about the life and times of the Prophet, his people and how God has helped them in no other people. Therefore, you need to get the hell out of the Bible and Quran.
Since Black Americans are racially different people from Jewish and European people we could still draw good references as comparison and contrast from the Bible and the Quran, but still these books do not belong to us or governs us.
Lastly, for you to say that God will send no more prophets based on the Bible and the Quran because God have already sent all the prophets is the most irrational and stupidest conclusion I could imagined an intelligent man as your self could reach. Your conclusion is absolutely not true. Am I making any sense with you?
Switching gears for a moment. Incidentally, the comment that you address to Steve Williams is intelligently loaded. For instance, God chooses prophets for some specific reasons, but by far, they are not perfect. Secondly, a people (Black Americans) hopefully depending on another people (White Americans) are very unacceptable. God is obligated beyond any doubt to help us out of the grips of White America. Steve, Derek and others Whites seems to it is all right that we stay in White America’s grip. Again, we as Black Americans must hold God responsible and accountable to untie our dire situation. Yes, it will take an exodus type of change to upgrade the quality of life for Black Americans and this is why I am Black America’s first genuine prophet.
Again, your comment to Steve I am charmed by it. I love intelligence.
Abraham, we are going to become a sovereign people on the portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Everything that I say is going to happen. I am not hoping, I know.
Tell me what you think.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 8:57AM
Harry Watley
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Jamal, Good Morning
I don't think that segregation is the answer, but of course any people have the right to segregate themselves. I have discussed a possible means of segregation with Harry, but he is going for all or nothing. What is your vision of an exodus type event?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 9:28AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You said this to Jamal, “I don't think that segregation is the answer, … I have discussed a possible means of segregation with Harry, but he is going for all or nothing.”
Firstly, Steve, segregation and sovereignty is two different concepts. How many times have I explained and said that to you and still you are stuck on this word segregation? Black Americans do not want segregation and since you do not think that segregation is the answer then you and I agree. Black Americans want sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Black Americans are a people that were made on this continent from the breeding process between White men mostly of British descent and the African slave woman. An example of Black Americans being descendents of slaves is the children that Ms. Sally Hemming had for President Thomas Jefferson and the son that President George Washington had with his brother’s slave woman. However, Ms. Sally Hemming’s children by President Thomas Jefferson are descendents of slaves, am I right. Consequentially, Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery in this country a portion of this continent rightfully belongs to Black Americans and we going to inherit our portion to become a sovereign people. I know this as Moses knew the Exodus was coming as well.
Secondly, did Moses compromise with Pharaoh? No, Moses did not compromise with Pharaoh. I told you before look at me as a comparison and contrast to Moses for Black Americans. I can Black America’s first genuine prophet and not Jamal.
Everything that I say is going to happen on behalf of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves.
Tell me what you think.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 10:06AM
Harry Watley
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Mr. Williams, Hello
There is the vulture approach to segregation, where you wait for animals to die, then take over but that is not the way rational astute human beings behave. Please check my book for the details on the plan I represent at www.trafford.com\06-2972 but basically it involves work contract with International organization like World Bank, IMF, JOB Corp such that .....services to upgrade componest to industry sector of identified African country such as power distribution system in exchange for land...These services comprise of administrative, skilled and general labor African Americans in groups of about 12, 000 at a time. Many of the general labor could come from the American prisons convicted of misdeamenors, that could serve out their time helping to lay pipe and run conduit in Africa. The More projects, the more transitioning of African Americans to Africa. Other countries wanting to get on board to modernization, with likewise want to get in on the act. The land accumulated in Africa would comprise of one single new nation. You would end up with something similar to the Hawaiian islands but instead of the islands separated by water, they would be separated by land....And just like Hawaii....and would be on one government and one nation.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 11:10AM
jamal Abraham
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Mr. Watley, Hello
Certainly, you are are understandable. The Bible as it is written does not come write out and mention African Americans or Black Americans. It turns out that the Bible is written in symbols. Black Americans are referred in the Bible as Lazerus, Sheep, Bails Donkey, and strangers is a strange land. Would you not agree ?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 11:16AM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal,
Interesting you should mention power distribution as the idea I mentioned to Harry was solar power generation. There is promising new technology here and personally I believe it will be the next technological revolution. See for example:
http://www.ausra.com
I have been following this company for a while, and while they no longer state this on their website, they originally had a statement that an area 90 miles square, using their technology, could provide enough energy to power the entire U.S.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 12:01PM
Steve Williams
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Also, Ausra is venture capital funded, by some very prestigious firms, such as Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield and Byers, so there is the possibility of stock appreciation when/if they go public. However, here is some fairly recent news on that subject:
http://earth2tech.com/2009/11/16/solar-the...
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 12:13PM
Steve Williams
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And I will agree with Harry this time and say self-determination would be a better choice of words than segregation.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 12:23PM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, you get the idea
Not that worried about the symantics, but Yes, self-determination is more appropriate. Ausra is doing the kink of thing we are talking about. Very interesting site. We would match the type of upgrade with a particular African Country that has recognized the need enough they want to do something about. Further, would be comfortable in doing business with descendents that look like them then foreign contractors that do not look like them and more than likely overcharge and underservice the outcome.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 2:04PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
I want to lay down two decrees for you, Mr. Jamal.
Firstly, Black Americans are going to become sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders, which would have nothing to do with the World Bank. Black Americans prisoners working in Africa in Job Corps or with IMF is not going to happen. There will be more work than we could handle on this continent in our sovereign country and I am not selling out Black Americans for hire.
Secondly, Black Americans are not in the Bible in no way, shape, form or fashion. Lazarus is Lazarus, Bails donkey is Bails donkey and sheep is sheep.
The Bible was written and completed long before Black Americans who are descendents of slaves came into existence on this continent. You rationalize as a drunken man. Stop being silly.
What say you?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 5:18PM
Harry Watley
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Sorry Harry, Jamal has a plan, not pie in the sky by and by.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 5:22PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
Steve that energy stuff that you are talking about is not workable for Black Americans.
I want Black Americans to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. I want Black Americans to put our own hands on the health of our destiny. What I want is going to happen.
Incidentally, you have turned the corner from the concept of segregation to the concept of self-determination, yet you still have a ways to go to get to the concept of sovereignty. It has taken months for you to do that. Congratulations.
What say you?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 5:23PM
Harry Watley
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Mr. Watley, Peace
We live in the continent of North America. America is not going chop up any portion of their country without a fight and we cannot fight the American war machine and win, so that is suicide and not worth considering. Canada is too far north and cold and neither me or the majority of Black Americans like to be in the cold for too long. As for Mexico, forget it...that is not our land...but, Africa is our land...it was our ancestors land and we are their children....they are our fathers...So there is a connection....In the case of Mexico....they are more like our cousins.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 6:17PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “America is not going chop up any portion of their country….”
You do not now whether America would not chop off a portion. What you are doing is arguing with yourself and walking away convinced that it would not happen, so why bother.
The ignorant Hebrew people thought the same way as you. They told Moses that Pharaoh would never let them go. Therefore, they argued with themselves and convince themselves that their Exodus was hopeless, so why bother. You are doing the same exact thing, and I right.
Jamal you could never be a good leader. Adversaries love to face a weak and inferior mind as yours because the adversaries do not have to do anything except let you argue with and defeat yourself, am I right.
Next, you said this, “without a fight and we cannot fight the American war machine and win,”
Did I tell you anything about a fight? So, just as you assume that White America will not chop off a portion, you are also assuming some sort of a fight. Jamal you need to pay attention to the things that I say. If you have any questions, ask me. But, please do not assume anything, okay.
What say you?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 6:50PM
Harry Watley
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Mr. Watley, Hello
America is out....If you are not thinking about a fight..then no way. Engineers consider the possibilities not the impossibilities. That is why we build things....My goal is to be successful...not to run into failure. In my case, it is reasonable because there are specific countries looking for Industrial upgrades. Therefore, my plan is reasonable. But, you are considering that which not reasonable...and from my way of thinking should, therefore, be SCRATCHED
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 6:56PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Mr. Jamal,
I understand what you mean when you say that you think as an engineer. You need something in front of you to work the ins and outs. I do not need anything physical in front of me to project.
What seems impossible to you, I know I must view it as the possible since my other alternative is to stay a subjugated people.
Had Moses thought that it was impossible for the Hebrew people to leave Egypt, Moses people probably would have stayed there to this day? We all know how that story ended.
For instance, I could imagine boy David deciding to fight the giant Goliath. All around David at a safe distance were Hebrew men believing that it was not possible to overcome the giant Goliath. However, even if David may have felt it was impossible, he knew that he had no other alternative, but to turn the impossible into the possible and move forward. I admire King David. You, Mr. Jamal Abraham what could you say for yourself? Anyway, we all know how the story ended.
Mr. Abraham, you need to go in the back and take refuge with the women and children. God, a few good men and I will handle the situation without you. When it is safe and Black Americans have sovereignty I will signal for you to come out of hiding, mentally and physically that is, okay.
I will repeat Black Americans are going to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. You are not going to market off our people for hire as some sort of modern day slave trader.
What say you?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 9:20PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve,
Jamal plan is not workable. Any plan presented by a Black American, including Mr. Farrakhan, Bishop TD Jakes, President Barack Obama and Rev. Al Sharpton that does not call for the sovereignty of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is not workable.
God has inspired me to know that Black America’s only permanent solution is to desire to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent. Black Americans must desire to have their hands on the helm of the own destiny. What Jamal is proposing would not bring Black America’s hands on the helm of their own manifests destiny, am I right.
Steve, I guess you could look at it as Black America’s manifest destiny. The same as the Hebrew people coming around to understanding that the Exodus was their manifest destiny. Am I making enough comparison and contrast with you that you could see the apparent wisdom in what I am saying?
Everything that I say is going to happen.
What say you?
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 9:32PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, I am still reviewing Jamal's plan, many sections of his book can be read on Amazon, as I am doing since it will take a while for the hard copy to come in the mail. But so far I have a very good feeling about it. I will post here, to Jamal, when I've had a chance to read a little more.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 11:29PM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, Hello
Design of construction projects is what Engineers do for a living. This is not to be confused with Mr. Farrakhan, Bishop TD Jakes, President Barack Obama and Rev. Al Sharpton. Together, these individuals probably could not construct a wooden bench. They are preachers and you don't call a preacher to do construction jobs no more do you call a plumber to put on a new roof to your house.
Friday, January 1st 2010 at 11:37PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, Hello
I would not make such a confusion. As an Engineer, I also take great pleasure in seeing the fruits of my labor, such as the ease and benefit with which I communicate with you now on this medium I had a hand in developing.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 12:24AM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, Good Day
As a matter of fact, you have....You're span of international issues and scope of modern thought is amazing....thinking its attributed to your fond of "reading"..not sure.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 8:40AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Steve and Jamal,
Both of you do not understand what I am saying to you. Jamal’s construction engineering plans involving Black American civilians and prisoners working in Africa will not precede Black America’s sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. In other words, Mr. Jamal’s plans will not come before Black Americans having their hands on the helm of their own destiny.
Consequentially, any plan of anyone that does not champion Black America’s sovereignty, including Mr. Farrakhan’s rhetoric is not workable.
Look at it this way, if you are building a little red wagon you need to think of the wheels first before you think of the body of the wagon.
In other words, what must come first for Black Americans is Black America’s salvation and sovereignty and I have Black America’s salvation and sovereignty firmly in my hands as God has given it to me, the same as when God had firmly placed in the hands of Moses the salvation and sovereignty of the Hebrew people, period. Without doubt, what should be in Jamal’s mind is the sovereignty of its people, Black Americans who are presently subjugated people in White America, am I right.
Now, are we on the same page?
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 9:32AM
Harry Watley
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Actually Harry, you need to build the wheels first, not think about them. I'm sure Mr. Abraham will appreciate your analogy of wheels. If you don't understand why I say this then you have not done your research.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 11:52AM
Steve Williams
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Steve, I like your writing on two levels here!
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 12:19PM
robert powell
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Mr. Williams, Good Day
Problem in saying to you that am very impressed, without swelling your head....But, the site proof to your due diligence to what you're evaluating...Good Job... And I believe we can help each other.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 12:30PM
jamal Abraham
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Mr. Abraham,
Helping each other, this was my hope, that we would arrive here. Thank you.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 12:55PM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, Peace
The book is about 300 pages including 8 chapters. Its packed........Ok..there is some pictures....but, still may take you a month. What do you think ?
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 7:13PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal, Peace
There is quite a bit of it on Amazon, not sure if you are aware how much. I read from the beginning and when it started skipping sections I went ahead and skipped myself towards the back of the book. Reading in the section on education now, about page 245. I intend to order the book tonight, usually get it pretty quick from them, even with the free shipping. As you know, an interesting book gets read faster, and I am finding yours very interesting.
I was amazed to learn how far the U.S. dollar will go in a country such as Togo. I don't profess to have a wide ranging knowledge of Africa, but I met a young man, a student at the University at Lome, on the Black History site. When I inquired about his expenses and such I found out he receives about $45 for a 3 month term, his rent being about $15 a month. I was moved to send him an equal amount, trifling to me, but doubling his government allowance. He did not ask me for this, and I do not repeat it for the purpose of self-aggrandizement, but rather for illustration. After giving a part of it to a friend, he told me one of the uses he would put it to would be to get the landlord to bring electricity into his apartment. Internet access is relatively expensive over there, but of course a great aid in education.
My point is, though this is only one specific case, I have the feeling that I great deal could be accomplished with relatively little investment, in American terms. Do you think this is the case?
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 7:59PM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Williams, Happy to hear you are proceeding
No, was not aware of much on Amazon but the summary. But, quite right, about interest has a lot to do with speed of reading a book. No doubt, it will fan your appetite once completed.
Yes, with a little knowledge of the African country's topology and natural resources coupled with demand abroad and demand within, one can isolate the best bang for the buck.....and in the books some products and project solutions are foretold.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 10:35PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “Actually Harry, you need to build the wheels first, not think about them. If you don't understand why I say this then you have not done your research”
Steve, anointed prophets receive inspiration from God. Those who are not anointed does research.
For instance, since I told Blacks and Whites that Blacks are going to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent and no one can trump what I said, what research am I to do.
What say you?
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 10:51PM
Harry Watley
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Jamal,
I will receive the book on the 6th, not too long to wait. I do not speed read, I am a careful reader, but I do apply myself. I am looking forward to it. In the meantime I have found the AOW website.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 11:19PM
Steve Williams
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Harry,
If you would pay attention to what others are saying, you would know what type of research to do.
Saturday, January 2nd 2010 at 11:22PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “If you would pay attention to what others are saying, you would know what type of research to do.”
You need to stop playing juvenile games. I said that prophets receive inspiration from God. If you honestly believed that, I need to do some research you would have given something concrete and not the nonsense that I would know what type of research to do. Consequentially, stop being a knucklehead.
What say you?
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 12:22AM
Harry Watley
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Harry,
You are constantly given references and ideas to check out, but you trump everything with your divine inspiration. Read back through this blog, then tell me which references you have checked out. We will take it from there.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:37AM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Watley, Hello
What is the, "stop being a knucklehead" . Is is part of your inspiration and the way you win converts....Umm....Umm.....Umm...by insults instead of mutual respect.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 10:25AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “Read back through this blog, then tell me which references you have checked out. We will take it from there.”
Steve, this is the stupid way to resolve our differences of this research issue. In other words, since it is your point that you are raising then you need to research through this blog, then should show me where you or anyone else referred, okay.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 3:45PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal,
You asked, “What is the, "stop being a knucklehead" . Is is part of your inspiration and the way you win converts....Umm....Umm.....Umm...by insults instead of mutual respect”
No Jamel, it is not part of my inspiration and perhaps neither the way I would win converts. However, I am human as all prophets are. Therefore, I become very frustrated at times over the ignorant things that are said to me. I really do not mean anything by it, except that it is just my frustration.
Moses showed his frustration when the calf was built by his people to worship after they had witnessed spectacular events by God to bring them out of bondage and slavery in Egypt, yet they would desire to put their faith in a golden calf. That is what I call the epitome of stupidity.
Prophet Mohammed showed his frustration in the different civil battles he had with his own disbelieving pagan people.
Jesus showed his frustration when he called his people a bunch of vipers.
Really, let me have my moment and just let the harsh comments roll off your back as water rolls off a duck’s back, okay. But, there have to think about what you’re going to say before you say it to me since you known me well by now.
Incidentally, you all are going to want to meet with me sometime in the future too.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 3:59PM
Harry Watley
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Mr. Watley, Peace
Black Americans needs no more prophets. America needs her judgement due her, which according to Almighty God Allah is "Wicked". There fore to not get the same punishment due America fall the wise and righteous Black Americans, then the best plan is the divine plan to transition OUT of America to specific areas in Africa.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 5:08PM
jamal Abraham
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Harry, I know your avoidance tactics too well. If you have an interest in researching anything, let me know and I will be glad to help.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 8:55PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “Black Americans needs no more prophets”
Jamal this is not your call to make since you do not raise up prophets. When you say stupid and ignorant stuff as this is what brings on my frustration.
My point is that I had not saying whether Black Americans needs more prophets or not. My point is that this call is exclusively reserved for God to make.
Incidentally, since Black Americans has never had a prophet before you would have to be a knucklehead to say, “no more prophets”.
Please, stop and think about what you are going to say before you say it.
What say you?
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:15PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “Harry, I know your avoidance tactics too well”
I have no tactics. You need to prove me wrong, which is something that you cannot do.
What say you?
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:17PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, I will rephrase. I know the ways you use to avoid answering the questions you don't want to answer.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 9:29PM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
You said this, “Harry, I will rephrase. I know the ways you use to avoid answering the questions you don't want to answer.”
Oh Steve! You are outright lying. Steve do you not remember that I said I am wiser than all of my own people and White America as well? Since I am wiser, why would I avoid answering any of your questions?
You have said to Mr. Jamal how you tried to show me that your views were better and that you said Harry wanted all or nothing. So, if you were wiser than I am obviously I would have given in to you, am I right. God made me wise.
I had this discussion with God when I was anointed to be made wiser than all. In other words, would God be a wise God to anoint me yet there is someone else out there wiser than I am? You are just not making any sense at all.
Do you not think that Moses was wiser than all of his people and Pharaoh as well?
Nevertheless, you are still not presenting any backup material for your lies an accusation that I am avoiding answering any of your questions.
What say you?
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 10:17PM
Harry Watley
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Mr. Williams, Good Day
God's last Messenger, Elijah Muhammad said so...that is, He said that he was the seal of the prophets, meaning after him there would be no more prophets. Messenger Elijah Muhammad fits the bill when it says in the Book of Malachi, Behold I will send you Elijah before the great day of the Lord, and He will turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and the fathers to the children, lest I smite the Earth with a curse. So Elijah has come and gone. He was a black Americans and done his works for about 45 years. So we don't need no more prophets because already had one. Why would God send another prophet when we just had one.
Perhaps you can be a prophet over the rodents. Hear they are having trouble finding food with so much unemploymenht, hobos and bumbs having been eating the food in dumbsters and trash. Maybe you can prophecy over the rodents. But, as for Black Americans, you're too late.
Sunday, January 3rd 2010 at 10:21PM
jamal Abraham
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Harry,
Let me propose a new question: What is wisdom? Further, this is a closed book exam. That is, no cheating and looking in the dictionary. You go first, then we will open it up to the rest of the class.
Monday, January 4th 2010 at 9:27AM
Steve Williams
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Mr. Watley, How are you
My previous comment was meant to you and not Mr Williams (forgive the error). But Harry, you are the first person in all my life that I've heard ever called Messenger Elijah Muhammad foolish and ignorant. Imagine calling God's choice for a profit, foolish and ignorant. Somethings are so blatently off base it is not worth commenting. What can say is may Almighty God have mercy on your soul.
Monday, January 4th 2010 at 2:17PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Steve,
Okay, you want me to tell you what I think wisdom is without referring to the dictionary, very well.
My wisdom is my ability to sort out the facts and align them with creation that when I make a judgment I would be right.
Let me use King Solomon as an example. His wisdom was expressed in his ability to sort out the facts of each woman claiming this one child to be theirs. What Solomon did after sorting out the facts was to align the facts with maternal instinct of creation. He determined that the true mother would rather give up her child than to accept the death of the child. Consequentially, he gave the child to the woman that had maternal instinct.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, January 4th 2010 at 3:03PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal,
Let me make this clear to you that I admire and love Elijah as I do Dr. King. However, I am mentally mature that I could separate my love to see the ignorance or shortcomings of Elijah.
On the other hand, you cannot because you are emotionally blind. Perhaps, this is why I am God’s choice over you and all others to lead Black Americans in to sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
Secondly, I told and meticulously explained it to you that Elijah was never God’s choice. God had not intervened in our affairs during Elijah’s era. You know that God had nothing to do with Elijah’s doings. Dr. Fard Muhammad was who guided and inspired Mr. Elijah am I right.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, January 4th 2010 at 3:17PM
Harry Watley
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