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America has a way of using tragedy to promote their hidden agenda. Like occupying the country of Haiti with U.S. Troops. Like keeping Haiti dependant on America for vital resources. Rather than pushing intelligence into the country in the form of agricultural, housing and construction training. Emergency relief is one thing....then after the emergency, America should help Haiti resume a degree of normalcy thru job creation by incentives for natives by cleanup projects. Haiti has something that 40 million Black Americans do not have....some land of their own...they suffer from lack of leadership, lack of schools, lack of infrastructure and a poor value system for the system.....but, this is a prime opporltunity to change.
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 12:15AM
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We should have been helping before the quake struck. I was in Alameda, CA when the quake struck in 1989. The most casualties (50 killed) were on the Cyprus freeway, about 6 miles away from where I was. 100s of thousands dead in Haiti, because of structural weakness. Now we react. What a shame.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 12:55AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Jamal,
The essence of your blog for Haiti is dependency on White America rather than self-reliance am I right.
Now, since these African people (Haitians) rose up against the French and freed themselves hundreds of years ago and became independent long before White America did, tragically they were never able to develop and advanced the quality of their lives. Therefore, it leads me to ask this question, is this something wrong in the melanin of dark skinned people from the time God created dark skinned people?
It is just a question that I am asking since African countries, Black Americans in this country and BIA members on this website behave below the threshold of being civilized people, am I right. An example of our uncivilized behavior on this website is how we delete a comment that is unfavorable, which is dysfunctional.
Nevertheless, as I persevere as Black America’s first genuine prophet Black Americans will be the first dark skinned people to correct this dilemma of God creating dark skinned people.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 5:40AM
Harry Watley
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Steve, Good Morning
Absolutely, if America's heart was in the right place. But Haiti's needs never appeared on the radar due to their prowness as an independant people. With Pres Obama in the White House, more pressure can be exerted, though, to address improving building codes in Haiti in accordance with Earthquake tolerance.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 6:01AM
jamal Abraham
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Harry, Hello
You said...."The essence of your blog for Haiti is dependency on White America rather than self-reliance am I right".
Absolutely NOT RIGHT....If the Haitians or any nation is to become self reliant, they must have schools so their people can be taught. Once a people is taught and skilled at doing something...then they don't need someone else. So the purpose of this blog is to awaken Americans as they appear so "benevolent" on TV as the white angels descending from planes to help the poor wretched dark skinned people so they can be worshiped. ..that if they truly want to help..then help the Haitians be independant...Help them so they can keep their independance.
No, really science evidence does not support that the melanin of dark skinned people contributes to an innate reduction of brain capacity. Moreso, I think it is the emphasis on where government spends its money. If the emphasis of Haiti is being a tourist depot for Europeans, providing song and dance...with no industry and no schools and no colleges, then what you have in Haiti will repeat itself. That would be unfortunate. It would be liked the Haitians learned nothing from this tragedy.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 6:11AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
I believe that you are missing my point and simultaneously do not understand what self-reliance is.
In other words, you make it seems as if though it is White America’s obligation or responsible somehow to start up Haitians and what I am saying is that no one started up White America, am I right. What you are seeing about the Haitian’s tragedy is the benevolence of White America and you should not take it as though it is White America’s obligation or responsibility for the Haitians, am I right.
You said this, “If the Haitians or any nation is to become self reliant, they must have schools so their people can be taught. Once a people is taught and skilled at doing something...then they don't need someone else.”
So, my point is who taught White American people? Thomas Jefferson started the public school system assuring an education for all American citizens since only the wealthy were able to pay for their children’s education. I think this was benevolent of Thomas Jefferson even though public schools when not applicable to the slaves.
I sort of think that you are a confused person Mr. Jamal. You need to sort out the pieces of life and know where these pieces belong. This is reason enough to show that there are nothing divinely special about you, am I right.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 8:11AM
Harry Watley
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Irma, yes, it was a whole stretch of the of highway, that was an over/under arrangement, going past Oakland to the Bay bridge. Being next to the estuary it was on fill and the top section collapsed onto the lower, killing about 50 people. That quake was 6.9, but lasted only 15 seconds (so they say, I think it was longer than that).
http://www.mercurynews.com/loma-prieta-ear...
The worst damage was to areas on fill, which included the business park I worked in. It felt like being on a boat on the ocean. Everyone was running for the doors but me, stupid easterner, just sat there describing it to my wife on the phone, who was in Denver then. Just happened to be talking to her when it hit.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 9:02AM
Steve Williams
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Harry,
The Haitians became free after the American and French revolutions, I think it was 1804. Remember that they were slaves and never had the resources to build their country, as the European settlers had through connection with their homeland.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 9:18AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
I think what I am trying to explain to you is that everyone started from ground zero.
For instance, you say that White America had help from their homeland, England. Of causes, they did. The help that White America got were technology they develop themselves in England. Such as knives, guns and blacksmith tools.
Steve, the greatest resource that man has is his brains. Man is to use his brains to use the natural resources in his environment. Now if there are no usable resources in his environment he is to travel outside of his environment and get these resources.
Think of it this way. Suppose White people did not exist, what would the people of the world do?
Tell me what you think
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 9:45AM
Harry Watley
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Harry,
Evolution is what it is. There is no use questioning where evolution has brought us thus far. We do now have some control over the evolution of humans, based on our free will. Your solution would take us your way, mine would take us a different way. We wish to proceed different ways, and only time will tell.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 10:16AM
Steve Williams
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Hello Steve,
I do not know what you are talking about now. I do not know how evolution came into the picture. I thought we were talking about how a people struggle to become independent using their own resources, such as their brains and the material that are in the environment.
Where are you coming from with this evolution nonsense? The concept of evolution is entirely a different deal from independents.
Please explain yourself.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 10:24AM
Harry Watley
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Steve, Hello
15 or even 20 seconds is a long time effected by an earthquake. The use of man's brains is an asset if properly trained. For example just to understand mathematics is like learning a language and the mechanics to that language is what good schools do. This blog points out that it is America which has the muscle and brains and could do the right thing if they choose, but I suspect they will help Haiti like thay do other African Nations with foodstuff and medical care but not with the things that can make a lasting differance. Not that they are obligated.
Harry, for you to converse with a professional engineer is a mercy....but if you cannot respect that privaledge...will have to block you from my blogs. My opinion alone has saved very large companies millions of dollars....thus, when I write, my thoughts are already behind it.
So lets start again, It is not America's obligation to do anything for any country. My point is that if America is going to do something...then let them really help the Haitians with lasting assistance in the form of construction training, Medical training and the like because there is very few Black nations that can do this primarily because if scientist like myself are disrespected from other blacks then they would refuse to help the dumb ngrs ... and just keep helping white Europeans that show respect and pay the big bucks.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 4:21PM
jamal Abraham
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Harry,
Evolution is ever present. It is constantly in the picture, never absent. Every dialog, every decision, is part of evolution
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 5:24PM
Steve Williams
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A people hungry makes it difficult to train. Without a good nite sleep also, makes it hard to train. But, if relief tent communities with food can stop the bleeding of loss of life....it would add a lot. Then the training can begin. Who wants to build up a heaven for another....in America we had to be forced. Therefore, would not expect Americans to build up Haiti much beyond what Clark speaks of. If however, the Haitians request strongly some infrastructure training...then United States can see there is an interest in the Haitians at "learning" which can go a long way in America making a decision where is the limits to the envelope of assistance to Haiti.
Wednesday, January 20th 2010 at 9:42PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
FYI, I was in Connecticut the past two weeks visiting the many different sects of Muslims, friends, relatives and Christians that they may know we must come to one thought in our minds of becoming a sovereign people or have complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. But, now I am back home in Winston Salem North Carolina until I decide to do it again.
As Black America’s first genuine prophet, I am to search anywhere feasible where my people are at looking for the most intelligent, but not necessarily educated to talk to about our imminent future.
Neither Mr. Fard Muhammad nor Elijah led us out of bondage and subjugation in White America. For the most part, they turned Negroes into Arabian people by converting us to the Arabian religion of Islam and having us change our names to Arabian names such as Jamal, Muhammad and Abdul am I right. Elijah did more to spread the Arabians people religion of Islam than anything he did for our sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders, am I right.
Anyway, I do not understand why you would have a problem with White America for what ever helped the Haitian people gets.
You said this, “So lets start again, It is not America's obligation to do anything for any country. My point is that if America is going to do something...then let them really help the Haitians with lasting assistance”
Okay, if you could acknowledge that White America is not obligated to do anything for any country, then to say anything further you do not have a point.
In other words, when we, black Americans Than become a sovereign people we will not hold White America responsible to educate us. We will hold ourselves responsible for our failures and enjoy the rewards of our success. Am I making any sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Friday, January 29th 2010 at 4:36PM
Harry Watley
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HARRY, HARRY, HARRY...you really underestimate the thinking of some of these members of the forum don't you?
What a shame. What a shame. What a damn shame.
Friday, January 29th 2010 at 6:13PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Siebra,
How have you been?
Anyway, please explain what you mean that I underestimate the members of this forum and that it is a damn shame. Give me an example of how I do that, please.
By the way, do you think that you should have the Arabian name Muhammad when you are a beautiful Black American woman and could invent our own names after we become sovereign to show our originality?
Tell me what you think.
Friday, January 29th 2010 at 6:20PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Siebra,
You still do not understand anything about yourself and me.
Siebra, I had not saying that there is something wrong with the name Muhammad. However, I am asking you, why you have that name when you are a Black woman and the name is an Arabian name.
Okay, you say that Muhammad means, “One worthy of all praises”. Well, I am not denying that for an Arabian woman or man who has the name Muhammad. Again, I know that you are not an Arabian woman. So why do you w have an Arabian name is what I am asking that you intelligently answer.
In other words, I would like that you intelligently explain to me as a Black woman why you have an Arabian name. The only sensible reason I could come up with is that you do not know you are and what race of people that you belong to, am I right. Similarly, why do you not have a Chinese name or a Japanese name? Naturally, I would not be questioning you if you had your slave master’s name until we become a sovereign people thereby giving us the right to change our names then. Am I making any sense with you?
Mr. Elijah Poole did not know who he was either for the same reason that you do not know who you are. If I am wrong, please explain to me what makes me wrong.
I know you thought that Mr. Elijah Muhammad was at the top of the chain intelligence. But, not so. I am at the top because I am wiser than Mr. Elijah Muhammad was in wiser than Mr. Farrakhan is. I know that you can see what I am saying the true. You must come out of the Arabian religion of Islam to accept your own religion. I told to the Imams the same thing that I am saying to you today at Juma service. They use to put up a fight with me but they no longer do. I could see through their eyes into their souls that they know I am right. They are struggling to keep Islam and continuously hear the things I say to stay balance.
Siebra, I came set my people free. Elijah did not do this and neither is Mr. Farrakhan setting us free. All that Elijah did was change Black Americans into accepting the Arabian people ways, customs, names and rituals, which we are not Arab people at all, am I right. It shows that Elijah was lost and his followers today are still lost. Am I making any sense with you?
Okay.
Saturday, January 30th 2010 at 6:07AM
Harry Watley
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Bull****! You are sick and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about!
Saturday, January 30th 2010 at 8:37PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Siebra,
I understand how distraught you are from the truthful things I say that would cause you to say, “BULL****”!
Nevertheless, I want you to explain to me why you have an Arabian name (Muhammad) when you are a beautiful Black Woman.
We are not a sovereign people yet. When we do become a sovereign people, we could change our names finally to names we will come up with that is not African, Arabian or western names.
Now, if you are with us when we become a sovereign people you will be changing your name a second time, am I right. In addition, we as Black Americans will not be practicing the Arabian religion of Islam in our sovereign country. We will be practicing our own religion. The religion of Islam does not reflect our specific problem of our subjugation in White America. The religion of Islam specifically belongs to the Arabian people. God only raises up prophets from among their own kinds. Prophet Mohammad was an Arab man and he was risen up from among Arabian people. I am a Black American man and God has risen to me up from among my own kinds, Black Americans. God always match the race of the Prophet to the race of his people. Islam is racially not our religion. Like wise, Judaism is not our religion either.
I am away, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could become real people in this world among other real people. Now, why do you have an Arabian name when you are not an Arabian woman?
Similarly, when the Hebrew people were in bondage and slavery over 400 years in Egypt, they changed their names back to Jewish names when they entered their Promised Land. Ignorance is something not to be ashamed of, unless you do not want to change, but would rather stay ignorant.
Again, please tell me why you have an Arabian name since you are a Black American woman who is a descendent of slaves. Nowhere in your ancestry is there Arabian ways and customs, am I right. So, why do you have an Arabian name?
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, January 31st 2010 at 5:37AM
Harry Watley
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Hello Siebra,
Okay, now you have given me something to understand why you as a Black woman have an Arabian name.
So, let us talk about it for a moment. You are saying that the Earth was one huge land mass thousands of years ago and it was called Arabia. So, that is where the Asiatic Black man came from and you believe you are a descendent of these Asiatic Black people. In fact, some of your lessons such as, “Student of Enrollment” requires that you believe this Asiatic Black man theory, am I right.
So, it seems that all humanity at one time was Asiatic Arabian people, am I right. Consequentially, now that you believe this theory you want to be in accord with your Asiatic Arabian roots, I suppose. So, that is why you have the Arabian name, Muhammad, am I right. I suppose that all humanity at one time had Arabian names and as time passed Chinese, Japanese and African names developed, am I right.
Still, do you not think that over a period of time things changes? Do you suppose that you ought to change along with the changing of time as well?
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, January 31st 2010 at 11:08PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, Hello
Why complicate the simplistic....there need not be such confusion. Black Americans are not some isolated group unconnected to Africa and henceforth, Asia. There were East Asians, North Asians, West Asians and South Asians. White people found it beneficial to divide Asians up so came up with their names like Africa which is a name whites gave people on the continent in East Asia since they had conqured most of it in war.
Almighty God Allah has 99 differant attributes or descriptions that are considered the best of names. The Arabic language is the mother tongue of languages so the 99 attributes are naturally expressed in this language. Of the 99 attributes of Allah, none of those names are either Harry or Watley. Allah, the name itself becomes the 100th name. In other words, for you to claim to be some prophet...why not get a better name ? That is a name that represents your heritage.
We, black Americans are related the Haitians in that slaves brought to Haiti came from to the same source as slaves brought to America. They came from the continent of Africa for the most part. Haitian names are typically names from their conquerors (English or French) or their African roots.
Tuesday, February 2nd 2010 at 8:50PM
jamal Abraham
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TEACH BROTHER TEACH!!!
Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 1:56PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “Black Americans are not some isolated group unconnected to Africa and henceforth, Asia.”
Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery and this is why.
White American men bred themselves over a period of 350 years with the African slaves they purchased from the slave traders. The children from this breeding process are Black Americans. For instance, the children that the slave woman Ms. Sally Hemming had for President Thomas Jefferson is an example of who Black Americans are.
Today Black Americans numbers 41 million people scattered throughout this country. We are not a part of Africa, Haiti or Asia. We are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery.
As things first genuine prophet I must know who we are, how we got here and who I am since God rose me up among my own kinds to lead us into sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
If I am wrong then you need to show me that Black Americans did not come from the breeding process I mentioned above, but instead from Africa, Haiti or Asia, okay. Do you understand this?
You said this, “We, Black Americans are related the Haitians”
Black Americans are not related to Haitians neither are we related to Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Caucasians or Arabian people.
Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery and this is why. White American men, mostly of British descent bred themselves with the African slave women they bought from the slave traders. This breeding process ended after the Civil War for the most part. By then Black Americans had numbered well over 22 million people. Haitian people did not breed with the African slaves. White American men mostly of British descent bred themselves with the African slaves they purchased from the slave traders with real English money, pounds and shillings. Abraham you need to know how Black Americans came into existence because you do not know from the trash you talk. Because Haitians were slaves and we were slaves does not make us the same people. To make us the same people we would have to be biologically connection and we do not. Black Americans do not have a biological connection to African people. We are a people of our own selves and we ought to be proud of it and make something of it by sticking together to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
Half of us after the Civil War went back to Africa and bred themselves with the native Africans and they are no longer of our kinds. They are now called Liberians.
You said this, “Almighty God Allah has 99 differant attributes or descriptions that are considered the best of names. The Arabic language is the mother tongue of languages so the 99 attributes are naturally expressed in this language.”
I do not doubt that Allah has 99 different attributes. However, what you are blind about Abraham is that what you are saying is from an Arabian perspective and Black Americans are not Arabian people. God has blessed us with a prophet today as God blessed the Arabian people with Prophet Mohammad 1400 years ago. Our Prophet, Prophet Harry will lead us into sovereignty on a portion of this continent as Moses led his people out of Egypt. Our problems are different from the problems of the Arabian people that Prophet Mohammad was raised up by Allah to correct. The problems of the children of Israel were also different from our problems that God raised me up to correct. What you are doing is bundling everything into one ordeal. Wake up Abraham and see that the problems of each prophet are different from prophet to prophet, people to people and country to country.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world among other real people. Now, how many years is it going to take me to penetrate the thick skulls of Black Americans? I do not know. I know that it took Moses 20 years and it took Prophet Mohammad 13 years. Consequentially, the task of a prophet is very difficult, but I will succeed.
Tell me what you think.
Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 7:00PM
Harry Watley
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Harry,
The Black Americans are a new breed..some differant kind of a new race, you say. No, this is just not true. You cannot alter the genetics of a race by intermixing with a percentage of the women. First, there are the black men that mixed with the black slaves and they had children. Secondly, there are the black women that managed to not get raped. Thirdly, even those black female slaves that got raped by the white man......Not all the black women that got raped by the white man had children by him....some of them went on to have children by a black man. Even the children from the black women and white men.....there were a mix, yet still had dominant black characteristics. These "half breeds as they were called) were shunned by the white race so had to mingle with the black Americans and would go on to mix with a black male. No, Black American have the same basic genetics as black Africans, black Haitians or black Jamaicans. My suggestion is for you to go to college and take some biology classes.
Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 8:17PM
jamal Abraham
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Steve, are you talking about the earth quake when that man got csught under that bridge...well this was my first earth quake we were in a giant lecture room and students got up and started leavinf the room. I asked what was going on and one of the students pointed to the two tv sets up in the cealings as they were rocking and roiling and we all go out of there. I never felt any thing. When I got back to my dorm room every thing that had been on the shelves was on the floor.
But, I never felt a thing, Hurricanes, I am use to, don't want to be in a tarnadoe at all...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I say the 7.0 earth quake happened at the exact time for these Hatians to be treated as the beautifui proud bar non that they alwas have been, Very hard workers and family orentated They love beautiful music and are so talented until this could be turned into a touris spot to be for those cruise ships.
What about making movies in Haiti. the place is beautifuk in it's natural way
I know that our president is not going to allow these people to be used by con contractors are take advantage of these innocent people at all.I hope those who try to do them harm don't forget they are experts with this machets they work thos fields with.(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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