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Messenger Elijah Muhammad spoke of Ezekiels vision of a wheel in the middle of a wheel as a Mother plane with great capability. Most prophets or messengers speak of things to come.....not necessarily things that already exist. Further this plane was to be built by great scientists with a size of 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile. Many black Amerians have asked little Abraham about this plane. Say you want to fly to New York from where you are. Your choices are to build a craft that can fly you to New York; or purchase a plane to fly you to New York: or finally you must go to an airport and "pay" for a seat on a plane already built to take you to New York. Them are your only choices. You cannot command someone to pick you up and take you to New York or anyone. Dreaming about being on a plane to get you to New York is worthless and useless. Typically when a Black American have NOT the SKILLS to build something they have to settle for dreaming. This "dreaming" have not produced anything since the beginning of time. The teachings of Messenger Elijah Muhammad about a Mother Plane is about something to come and yet to be buillt. Waiting on a plane that Black Americans did NOT build is no differance than Christians waiting for something to fall from the sky and take them up to heaven. It is the inept, uneducated, unskilled that relies on dreams, magic and hokus pokus because their knowledge and understanding will not allow them to get their hand to work for them in building.
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Monday, March 15th 2010 at 7:56PM
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Well, little Abraham,
What do you know from Elijah Muhammad about Ezekiel’s wheel and this so-called mother plane?
Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, March 16th 2010 at 10:14AM
Harry Watley
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What I know is that Messenger Elijah Muhammad spoke of a Mother plane with purpose to do with armageddon and it is coincident to Ezekiels Vision of a deadly looking plane mentioned in the Bible. Further, that leadership in the Nation of Islam speaks of this plane in reference with a dream that is suppose to stir up some awe in Muslim believers.
As an applied scientist, when I want to talk about something tangible or reliable, you will not find me speaking about my dreams. If I want to be transported to anyplace, it is not about my dreams but about the means of getting there and nothing else. I think this a clear weakness in the current leadership of NOI which is why previous blogs spoke of the need for national electons. So since the current leadership lacks the technical skills necessary to build such a plane or any other plane for that matter...they must speak about somebodies dream.
Tuesday, March 16th 2010 at 4:12PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “What I know is that Messenger Elijah Muhammad spoke of a Mother plane with purpose to do with armageddon and it is coincident to Ezekiels Vision of a deadly looking plane mentioned in the Bible.”
Okay, it should be no doubt in your mind that Elijah was not intellectually sophisticated, right. In addition, we know that he was not an educated man either, am I right. Naturally, from such a man you would expect illogical thoughts.
In fact, Elijah believed that he was an Asiatic Black man when in fact he was a Black American man who is a new breed or race of people that emerged out of the ashes of slavery, am I right.
Elijah Muhammad went on to believe that Mr. Fard Muhammad was his God when in fact Mr. Fard Muhammad was capable of coming down with venereal diseases that a local clinic would give him a penicillin shot in his mind, am I right. What sort of God could this man possibly be? Incidentally, do you believe that Mr. Fard Muhammad was your savior, Jamal?
Another example of Elijah’s ignorance is that he believed that he was a Muslim or an Arab man, since that is what a real Muslim is, am I right. However, in actuality Mr. Elijah Muhammad was a Black American man born out of the ashes of slavery on this continent and not in Arabia, am I wrong.
Forget about the NOI leadership, building any planes and any elections. The NOI is on its way out. Everything that I say is going to happen. Could you imagine how ridiculous it would be that our country would be named The Nation of Islam? Have you ever known a country to be named after a religion? Listen, Elijah was just out of his mind. So, let him rest in peace, okay
So, you need to regain your intellectual sanity and put to rest Elijah’s teachings and follow me, okay.
Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, March 16th 2010 at 10:05PM
Harry Watley
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That was the idea of God to instill His wisdom in a man with just basic knowledge so that God wisdom would be extremely pure. The man would not be smart enough to twist God words. For a 3rd grade equivalent man like Elijah Muhammad to come up with the profound wisdom that he taught for about 45 years, it had to be from God.
But, to get back on the point of the blog. Can the leadership speak of the seating capacity of the baby planes. No, because they do not know. But little Abraham does because he is the builder. Can the Nation of Islam speak of the seating arrangements in the baby planes...No, because the leadership does not know. Dreams can not be used to build anything. But ideas to drawings to design to materials to build done. Not from dreams, they do not connect. And since connectivity is mission, the dreams can not get you from A to B.
Wednesday, March 17th 2010 at 7:10PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “That was the idea of God to instill His wisdom in a man with just basic knowledge so that God wisdom would be extremely pure.”
What you said here is the epitome of being irrational. God prophets were not ignorant and mentally retarded men. God inspiration and guidance coupled with the prophet’s earthly wisdom is what makes the prophet shine. In other words, no one can trump his wisdom as no one can trump my wisdom. In fact, you know that Mr. Fard taught Elijah. Mr. Fard taught Elijah that he was a Muslim and you know that only an Arabian born could be a Muslim since Prophet Mohammed was an Arab man and invent that the word Muslim to distinguish the converts of Islam from the pagans, am I right.
Now, this mother plane or UFO is a bunch of nonsense that Mr. Fard planted in Elijah’s head, am I right. You come along to believe this nonsense and base it on Ezekiel’s wheel. Black Americans are not rational thinkers yet.
What is the purpose of this magical plane, could you expound on that a little?
You remember Elijah said in Supreme Wisdom that White America would not land on the moon. What do you think now? In other words, is there evidence that the moon was landed on or is there evidence that it never happened?
Abraham I could tell from your mindset that you are mentally dead as all the nation of Islam’s members is. I have the divine task to raise all of you including the Black Christians from a dead level to a perpendicular that would prepare us all to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Does this make sense to you?
Tell me what you think.
Thursday, March 18th 2010 at 1:26AM
Harry Watley
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Any nation of people whose government decides they would like to gain the capacity of air travel is not irrational. Air travel capability for any nation is practical and in the modern age makes a lot of sense to me. The nation of Islam should have this capability. No question.
Thursday, March 18th 2010 at 11:55AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
Since you run from the things, I say I will be more accommodating to you since I am raising you.
You said this, “Any nation of people whose government decides they would like to gain the capacity of air travel is not irrational.-------The nation of Islam should have this capability. No question.”
This comment of yours is indicative of how blind and irrational that you are. Firstly, there is no such thing as The Nation of Islam. The name, “The Nation of Islam” is the same as the name, Church of Christ in God or the AME Zion Church period. In other words, in the sovereignty of the White American government the NOI is registered as a religious organization even when Elijah was alive. Therefore, the notion that the NOI is a nation with a government and should have independent air travel as a legitimate sovereign government is your ignorance and irrational thinking talking for you.
It is going to take a while for you and many others to understand the things I say to prepare us for real and absolute sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
So again, there is no such thing as the NOI in the way that you are trying to sell the NOI as a sovereign nation with a government. Am I making any sense with you?
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that black Americans could ever become real people.
Tell me what you think.
Friday, March 19th 2010 at 2:13AM
Harry Watley
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The Nation of Islam describes the type of nation. Every nation has a name...we know that. But, by saying the nation of Islam, we know that it will be differant that what we have now. America is a Christian nation. Though she tolerates all religions. The former and current president frequents a Christian church. All of the holidays peculiar to Christianity is practiced by the federal government.
But the new nation of Black Americans will be differant. It will be an Islamic nation tolerant of all other religions. Imagine a nation with no prostitution, pimps and stealing. We will have our problems but just not those.
This white man invited me to his house recently...He own a very nice metal working company and wanted to talk to him about business. When I arrived he introduced me to his wife and she asked me to have some dinner, already cooked. It looked good but I said to her that to be funny about my food. He told me it is beef stuffed in a bell pepper with cheese. My point is that white people know how to eat...but they teach black people to eat pig feet. Anyway the food was good. In the new nation, Black Americans will eat the best of food. Its not about religion but good food that is good for you.
Friday, March 19th 2010 at 10:25PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “But the new nation of Black Americans will be differant. It will be an Islamic nation tolerant of all other religions.”
Jamal, Black America’s nation could not be a new nation since it will be an Islamic nation according to you. Black Americans neither wants to be Islamic nor Christian. Black Americans wants to be ourselves.
Islam is a religion that was introduced into the world specifically for the Arabian people by Prophet Mohammed. When you are going to understand that? I do not know how long it will take you to understand since you are blind, deaf and dumb that Black Americans are not Arabian people.
For instance, Judaism is a religion introduced into the world specifically for the Jewish people by Abraham. Likewise, Life is a religion introduced into the world specifically for Black Americans by Prophet Harry.
Black Americans cannot have someone else’s religion and claim that we are a new nation. Just do not make sense, am I right. Since we are a new breed or race of people, everything that God gave us and we do must be new to the world, okay. We will have neither Arabian names nor African names. The time will come that we will create our own names.
What I see is that you want to take the Arabian’s people religion into our Promise Land and somehow we are a new nation. Our Promise Land would be a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Black Americans will not be new as long as we hang on to other people’s things such as Ramadan and the foreigner Mr. Fard Muhammad. I would suppose that the Promised Land that Dr. King said he saw he would have gladly brought Christianity into our Promised Land as you would gladly bring Islam into our Promised Land as well. Now, why is up with that? It is because both Dr. King and you are blind, deaf and dumb since you are raised in the Islamic faith and Dr. King was raised in the Christian faith. Jamal, you must let the Islamic faith go to accept your own faith. However, both of you are Black Americans who are a new breed or race of people affected by the same adversary, White America, am I right. On the other hand, I am telling you that neither Christianity nor Islam will enter our Promised Land as our religion since our religion is LIFE. The name of our religion is LIFE since I am raising us from a dead level to a perpendicular. Our religion is monotheistic as Islam and Judaism is. Our religious book is forthcoming. So, we need neither the Quran nor the Bible. Am I making any sense with you?
The bottom line is that no people could say that Black Americans have something or have patterned themselves after another race of people.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become real people in this world. God constantly inspires and guides me.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, March 20th 2010 at 2:05PM
Harry Watley
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As-Salaam Alaikum Brother Jamal:
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad spoke of the Canadian newspapers, that in the 1930s wrote of the numerous sightings of the Mother Plane. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad also spoke of the important role that Major Donald Keyhoe had played last century in bearing witness to the truth of what he had been teaching of the existence and design of the Mother Plane. In 1942, members of the FBI and those above them questioned the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, after they had taken him into custody, in a lengthy interview, about the Mother Plane and its 1,500 smaller planes. He gave them detailed and clear answers regarding what he knew. They have studied what he taught, for years.
Many, many, many people have mocked what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Minister Farrakhan have taught on this subject. Some of these people are Christians. These same individuals do not mock nor do they have an explanation, that would satisfy me, for what is described in Revelations 21:
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelations 21 describes a holy city coming down from heaven. Some translations refer to it as the "home of God". Indeed, some who have seen UFOs have referred to them as "a city in the sky". Why don't the stated Believers in the Bible who mock what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught, mock Revelations 21?
But again, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad spoke of the Mother Plane in terms of the scriptures that its existence fulfilled. Why don't his critics compare what he taught of the Mother Plane to what appears in places like Exodus, Ezekiel and Revelations?
Saturday, March 20th 2010 at 3:00PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Sis. Siebra.....ASA.....According the Webster definition of the word "control" to exercise authority over; direct; command. It is control which this blog is speaking about. Does the nation of Islam have control over any plane up in the sky...the answer is NO. According to the definition. Without control over a plane..a mother plane you have nothing. What my work is about the Black Americans having control over air transit. So we can direct its travel. The white man is in control of the Airplanes in his arsenal. The European is in charge of the airplanes in its fleet. Even the Chinese have control over their aircraft. Then the Black American should be in charge of our airplane....and get beyond that there have been a sighting. The Japanese are in charge of their airplane because they produce it and can communicate with it at will. A sighting could be anything. If a messenger's live ended with his physical death, their life would not impact as many people as when even beyond their physical life, prophecies continue to manifest themselves. I would put more trust in what we build with the workings of our own hands then sittings every blue moon that we have absolutely NO CONTROL OVER.
Saturday, March 20th 2010 at 11:03PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal and Siebra,
First, let me give an overview about this UFO mother plane hoax to make my point of sound reasoning.
Siebra seems to believe and supports the hoax of a mother plane and 1500 baby planes flying around in the atmosphere on the behalf of Black Americans based on Elijah’s mentality or ignorance, am I right.
For example, Siebra said this, “The Honorable Elijah Muhammad spoke of the Canadian newspapers, that in the 1930s wrote of the numerous sightings of the Mother Plane.”
Apparently, Siebra has been sucked into the whirlwind of Elijah’s ignorance, right.
Now, you on the other hand Jamal is not sucking into the mother plane hoax. You want to reason with Siebra. You want Siebra to better exercise her thinking, her reasoning and her rationale. If she follows your line of reasoning, she would see that she has nothing going for herself continuing to embrace the mother plane hoax when you said this. “Does the nation of Islam have control over any plane up in the sky...the answer is NO. I would put more trust in what we build with the workings of our own hands then sittings every blue moon that we have absolutely NO CONTROL OVER.”
It seems to me that your ability, Jamal reasoning is quite better than Siebra’s is. The point is that the reasoning taking place is within a zone comparable to the mentality of both of you, right. I am highlighting this point to show that both of you are not yet able to reason within my zone even though I simplify things to its lowest denominator. Perhaps, this is why my comments were frequently deleted and Siebra would constantly criticize me because of a lack of reasoning and understanding.
Anyway, Jamal and Siebra, Black Americans have a new beginning that will unify Christians and Muslims as one people as we journey towards our permanent solution of sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. Along this journey we are going to let go of all our baggage, specifically our religious beliefs to embrace our God-given own beliefs and develop our own ways, customs, ritual and culture that will resemble nothing that other people have. For instance, we will not be celebrating Ramadan or Easter. Am I making any sense?
I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. This means that the divine changes that will take place on this continent will be through me since God hand is on me as God hand was on Moses when divine changes took place in Egypt. Does that make sense to you?
Anyway, I compliment your reasoning Jamal with Siebra that without control the mother plane hoax means nothing to Black Americans.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, March 21st 2010 at 7:17AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, Harry, Harry...(shaking my head)
Sunday, March 21st 2010 at 1:22PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Nothing about Messenger Elijah Muhammad's teachings was a "hoax". Thanks a word that you use, Harry, out of ignorance. What the Messenger was doing is speaking of things to come..or how would we know. 1400 years since prophet Muhammad of Arabia is a long time to be without divine prophecy. One thing for sure, the UFO sightings I would not wager 5cents on. But what man builds man controls...what man builds man commands...what man builds man directs. And Harry you build nothing but pounds of bull****. Speaking about differances between myself and Sis. Siebra...is nothing compared to the differances between your sovereign plans and reality. There is nothing credible in what you project and the rambling on and on with nothing to nothing is why some of your comments are deleted.
Sunday, March 21st 2010 at 2:51PM
jamal Abraham
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Bro. Jamal, you ain't never lied!!! You got me laughing so hard I almost spilled my coffee!!!
Monday, March 22nd 2010 at 2:07PM
Siebra Muhammad
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