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DuBois rejected Washington’s willingness to avoid rocking the racial boat, calling instead for political power, insistence on civil rights, and the higher education of Negro youth. Booker T. Washington felt that by educating blacks, whites could rest easy, they could be sure in the future, as in the past, that their families will be surrounded by the most patient, faithful, law-abiding, and unresentful people that the world has seen. Assimilating and educating for making a docile, humble uncle tom is certainly an approach to success but is it the best approach. As for blacks, Washington stated that "the wisest among my race understand that agitation on questions of social equality is the extremest folly, and that progress in the enjoyment of all the privileges that will come to us must be the result of severe and constant struggle rather than artificial forcing" My take on this is that assimilationg should be used as a tactic or strategy rather than a goal. The progression for African Americans from seqregation to assimilation to separation makes more sense to true national power. Political power has strength but is best when based on land. Persons have less to say when they are hungry. Persons protest and march less then they have no food. Land provides the capacity to produce food allowing for political power to have teeth. Black Americans coming out of the HBCU only to assimilate in white America so as to make vanish their differances should not be the "END". It should be from there to Separation to land, otherwise, you find yourself empty with valor, integrity and self dignity. To use people like they have used you thinking you are getting over when the people that used you have ALL THE LAND.......you are fooling yourself. The point of HBCUs and continued funding challenged black colleges to either assimilate their graduates or risk looking funding from white foundations. Here we are in the 21st Century, and it is amazing that so many graduates of colleges believe they can graduate from America's colleges, assimilate into white society and then wait on Jesus or a magic mother ship for everything else. It is a foolish way to live and makes our people the laughing stock to the rest of the world. My books goes over this assimilation methodology quite exhaustedly in my book, 21st Century Vision for Black America....www.trafford.com/06-2972
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 10:52AM
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Was your book written before 2008?
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 12:10PM
robert powell
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My book's copyright is 2007......why you ask ?
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 12:47PM
jamal Abraham
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Florida A & M like most all other colleges offer no classes on Sunday. With no class and no work for many, what does the majority of Black Americans do on Sunday ? That is when the cherry is put on top of the ideology.............while at church or the temple.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 2:17PM
jamal Abraham
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In 2008 The United States of America Elected as President, Baraka Hussein Obama--
so maybe the book, this blag and its ideas have been overshadowed by events of History?
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 2:24PM
robert powell
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"Severe and Constant Struggle"
It has been just that for us Black Americans
When will we wake up!
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 2:26PM
Jecoliah Judah
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I remember Harry Reid commented that president Barack Obama had a good dialect and light skinned so would assimilate with white America very well.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 2:43PM
jamal Abraham
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Sis. Siebra...Wa Alaikum Salaam
"It was only the few who lead the charge for independence. The majority were either scared or was waiting on a spirit God to come. "
That is the case with us African Americans....the few must lead the charge for a homeland for Black Americans this day...with the vast majority scared, fearful, trying to assimilate into white society as if they have arrived only to find out that they only fool themselves. Much like Tiger Woods who was reminded after his s*x scandel that he ain't nothing but a n*gga with a golf club.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 3:24PM
jamal Abraham
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What most of our black men have been suffering from is their own lack of taking charge, the NOI taught that the white man’s rule was up in 1914 but there was an small extinction due to the slow awakening of the black man. But time is running out for the black man he either get it together or else his blood will flow down the streets as high as a horses bridle.
I do know we are all going to be one or nothing and it is not in Allah’s plan that we be nothing or it will show the weakness of Allah. Surely the time is at hand and man is lost, but I know that Allah’s will, will be done! We are living out the time of decision as well as the last days for wrong, it is time for the black man to rise but he has been seduced with women and sport and play but after Allah gets finished with putting a whooping on his hind parts he will concede.
After you and me accepts God and all of his righteousness than and only than will we have Heaven on Earth, remember Allah prepared the best part of this hell (USA) for Himself. Think about it.
So like I said before up you might Nation we can accomplish what we will! After all this is but a mere dream state and illusion we are trying to exist in.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 3:37PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Booker T. Washington is not to be taken lightly or discounted. Some have said he was one of the most influential African American that ever lived. He was honored by a postage stamp and US coin. Recent scholarship reveals that Dr. Washington truly earned the description as "The Wizard of Tuskegee." In 1984 Louis R. Harlan, Distinguished Professor of History at the University of Maryland won the Pulitzer Prize for History for his two volume biography of Dr. Washington and the Washington Papers, a 25-year project making Dr. Washington's the first Black biography to receive such an honor. Another key lesson Dr. Washington would bring us today is the importance of character and rising from dependency. He is founder of Tuskegee University a most prestigious Historically Black Colleges and Universities in the country, which is a credible example to the importance of solid education.
What Black Americans fail to realize like Booker T. Washington is that white America, too, is well aware of the political game that Black Americans may try to play in order to get over without a cost. So they have embedded traps of their own like fine cars and c*ndominiums they now can afford. Assimilating in white America risks blacks to drugs and fancy talking women even sometimes white women. These traps were overlooked by Booker T. Washington, which leads black Americans into becoming gay and lesbian. First the white woman starts hugging the black woman.....then she may lightly kiss her....which leads to more and more ....the next thing to assimilation, the black woman becomes lesbian.....First the white guy pays the black brother on the behind....then the white man hugs the black brother longer than normal....next thing you know...with a few beers and gin...the brother becomes bis*xual until completely homos*xual.....
Black Americans become trapped by the luxuries and begin to forget all about separation or black nationalism. This was the challenge of Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad in particular.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 5:21PM
jamal Abraham
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WOW...this is better than watching Oprah (LOL)!
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 7:33PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Please, Cynthia...stick with issue and not personal or must delete your comments
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 8:10PM
jamal Abraham
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I posted this comment earlier and have rewritten it due to a computer error:
One of the best writers of Colonial America was Thomas Paine. He wrote one book called "Common Sense." During this period most of the whites wanted to stay under England rule. They were too afraid to fight for freedom. It was only the few who lead the charge for independence.
The majority were either scared or was waiting on a spirit God to come. No spirit God came and got King George off their backs. It took the few starting with the Boston Tea Party. They forced the majority to fight. The book should be required reading for all freedom fighters. No spirit God has ever from the clouds set up a government. The people had to do it themselves. Remember Revelations 18 "Come Of Of Her, My People."
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 9:21PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Sis. Siebra......WA _Alaikum_ Salaam....
It says in Bible Revelations 18:4//Come out of her, my people.
By definition one cannot stay "in" her and be in accordance with the voice from heaven. To stay "in" her means to stay "in" America...therefore, come"out" of her means get out of America. It is that simple but Black Americans are so ignorant and dumb that they have a problem with basic understanding. This is my purpose from Allah the One God that I have been speaking about for the past almost 400 blogs. A person cannot sit on the fence. Either a black Americans believe their salvation is waiting for them 'IN" America or not. The Gulf oil spill proves my case...that Allah is destroying America. There is nothing in Allah's actions at this time that support that He is seeking to save America. Anyone thinking that America is a future haven for Black Americans are sadly mistaken. America will go done to defeat ruled by white people and make no mistake about it. There are white people that will fight to the very finish rather than give up one square inch to a bunch of so-called Negroes. Black Americans manufacturers no guns. Black Americans manufactures no bullets. Black Americans manufacturers no tanks. As a divine leader, it is not wise to get in a battle that my people cannot win. Allah has made it very clear to me that our heaven will be established in Africa in Tanzania, Egypt and Morocco. In exchange for modernization, we would be given land to become the Kingdom of God on Earth.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 10:15PM
jamal Abraham
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Wanda Sykes is an example of what can happen with the traps of assimilation. Here is a beautiful black woman turned lesbian. Surely, there are the arguments that she may have been born this way. Point I am making is that integration into white society with no way out can get you caught up. What is best is to set up boundaries....in other words limits that you will not go beyond. Living and not exceeding these limits can save you to go on from assimilation to separation. So from segregation to assimilation to get a job, income, house, car, woman....then you can talk.......now you can think about what is really best........then to separation.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 10:22PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello to All,
Help me out here if you will. Jamal promotes and advocates that Black Americans even though he calls us African-Americans say that we must leave America or better yet this continent since America is on Allah drawing board to be destroyed because of sin. This is what Jamal has said, “There is nothing in Allah's actions at this time that support that He is seeking to save America.” let us bear in mind that Jamal offers nothing, not even the hand written signature of Allah to back up that there is nothing in Allah actions at this time to support the destruction of America, okay. Consequentially, Jamal is blowing smoke out of his behind.
Siebra says that Allah has saved the best part when she said this, “After you and me accepts God and all of his righteousness than and only than will we have Heaven on Earth, remember Allah prepared the best part of this hell (USA) for Himself. Think about it.”
It would seem that Jamal is emotional and his thinking is without sustenance and logic to leave America for Africa when Black Americans are a made people on this continent. Consequentially, this continent would be our homeland and it would not be difficult for God to a portion off a portion of this continent for Black Americans while doing whatever else in God plan for White America. Perhaps, God have a plan for White America that would exclude destroying White America.
At any rate, I would like to know briefly from Siebra why she thinks that (USA) is the best part unless she inadvertently agrees with me that Black Americans will inherit a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
Consequentially, I had to Siebra is right and Jamal is wrong unless both of them could adequately explain themselves plausibly and factually.
So, before we could move forward on the issue of assimilation the discrepancy between these two people needs to be cleared up, am I right.
Now, Clark agrees that we should not wait around for Jesus. So, my question to Clark is whether he believes that Black America’s only permanent solution is that we desire to become a sovereign people on proportion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders.
It seems to me that when we talk we talk in circles and this is typical of an ignorant people. We have all the reasons to be ignorant because we are descendents of slaves in desperate need of God help. Am I making any sense?
What say you all?
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 11:04PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, you are all over the place. I would like to respond. But you are everywhere. Best to save my energy. Your rationale is flawed .
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 11:11PM
jamal Abraham
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Harry, Never in history has Almighty God Allah destroyed a nation and did not give the truthful and righteous a way out. You have to be one dumb ignorant funky fool to think such a thing. Why in the hell do you think that I have written a book and is developing members in nation building group and organizing a trans-atlantic deployment to Tanzania, Morocco and Egypt for a new homeland. If you cannot understand that..then stay the hell off my blogs.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 11:18PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
To say my rationale is flawed and at the same time wants to save your energy of explaining yourself, why my rationale is flawed tells me you are a mentally confused individual. Remembered, I gave you the analogy of playing chess. Since we are rivals, you should be delighted to step up and show that your intelligence is superior to mines since you said that God told you this and that, am I right. But, you are not doing that. So, what is up with you?
Everything I say is going to happen and have you noticed that no one had ever trumped the things I say? Surely, to say that you are going to save your energy is not trumping what I said in my previous post, right.
I told you that I am wise not out of boasting, but that God had made me wise. Common sense would tell you that I have to be wiser than all too eventually lead Black Americans into sovereignty on a portion of this continent, which Mr. Elijah Muhammad or anyone else could do as well as instill the highest of integrity and morals within us. In addition, you know that your leader and teacher, Mr. Elijah Muhammad turned out to be an immoral individual, am I right.
The time will come that you all will simmer down concerning me and begin to love and accept me.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 11:36PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal,
The point of our discrepancy focus on this, “Harry, Never in history has Almighty God Allah destroyed a nation and did not give the truthful and righteous a way out.”
Now, who else but you and the late misled Elijah Muhammad and his followers believe that God is going to destroy America?
Also, as far as you organizing anything to Tanzania, Egypt etc. is simply as crazy as the fairytale of the old woman that lived in a shoe running around screaming that the world is coming to an end. Remember, the late Marcus Garvey as well. He attempted the same nonsense of yours and you saw what became of him since it was not God will, right.
Again, Black Americans are going to inherit a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. A portion of this continent is our homeland since we are a made people on this continent and all of our immediate ancestors are buried here and nowhere else. Does that make any sense to you?
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, May 23rd 2010 at 11:47PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, Below
You want me to repeat what I have already said. My time is a valuable commodity. When an engineer speaks it is food for the wise. To repeat and have to repeat ...what are you dumb and a fool ? How many times does a man have to say the same thing to you. My mission is from the One God of the Universe. His proper name is Allah.
This blog is about Booker T. Washington. What about him. Are you a perfect idiot. Speak to me about Booker T. Washington. Yes, he may have been called a uncle Tom. Yes.he may have felt that assimilation had great benefits to white "status quo" but he believed in "education" as a a way to excel. That is a good point. A person should try to say something about a person. Booker T. Washington is responsible for a HBCU. And we all can be proud of that. If we cannot top that. Then we must be careful.
Little Abraham points Booker T. Washington out to you because at the time, he may have been right. The best way is to give yourself over to assimilation to get yourself together. But when Black nationalism came along it is the next step. But many, got caught up in the trap and became gay or lesbians or thieves or murderers or addicts or pediphiles, etx.......but, if you can come out into separation..then you are of the wise.
Monday, May 24th 2010 at 2:14AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
I think you are overlooking that Mr. Booker T. Washington was not anyone to follow. Anyone who doesn’t see Black Americans are in the same plight as the children of Israel were in Egypt and that it took an act of God and not men to resolve is inherently ignorant despite all their good intentions.
It would take an act of God to a genuine prophet of God to resolve the plight of Black Americans in White America. Those Black Americans that are intelligent will recognize their divine prophet. He will neither be aligned nor be claiming other people’s religion, customs, ways and rituals as you have claimed the religion of the Arabian people, Islam and their Prophet Mohammed.
Since Black Americans are a new breed or race of people that has emerged out of the ashes of slavery everything that God gives us will be new and of our own. Our religion will be new. Our prophet will be one of our own. Am I making any sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Monday, May 24th 2010 at 7:31AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, you're about 100 years to late. America has had her divine man from God with Messenger Elijah Muhammad.
Monday, May 24th 2010 at 6:00PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Clark,
Notice how ironic it is for you to say that Black Americans should not wait on Jesus, yet you are a devout Christian. Is not this a matter of being in favor of something while simultaneously being against the same thing? You are a mentally educated confused individual, am I right. You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth, which is entirely irrational.
Please go back to the drawing board, denounce Jesus as a solution to Black America’s problem, and join me in promoting and advocating that the only permanent solution to our problem be to desire to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country borders.
What I am saying would be in line with how God handled the children of Israel’s problem in the days of Moses. The children of Israel’s permanent solution were the Exodus, which is equivalent to our Sovereignty. Am I making any sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Monday, May 24th 2010 at 9:24PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Jamal,
I told you before, but I will tell you again. Mr. Elijah Muhammad was not a divine man from God. He was one misled man when he bit onto the coat tale of Mr. Fard Muhammad believing that this mortal man was God who has since died just recently.
Mr. Elijah Muhammad was born a new breed or race of people that have emerged out of the ashes of slavery, yet he aligned himself with the Arabian people’s ways, religion, Prophet Mohammed, Ramadan ritual and the Quran.
Since we are a new breed or race of people, everything that God would give us would be new as it was with the Arabian people when God visited them, rose up Prophet Mohammed from among them, and gave them new things. Such as their religion of Islam. Their Ramadan ritual, which is equivalent to the Jewish people’s ritual of the Passover and finally there religious book of guidance, the Holy Quran. Likewise, did not the Jewish people receive their book of guidance, the Torah as well?
So, how could you rationally say that Mr. Elijah Muhammad was a divine man for Black Americans when he, himself embraced what belong to other people?
Do you not see for yourself that you have been misled following Elijah Muhammad who himself was misled by the foreigner, Mr. Fard Muhammad?
Wake up Jamal and be a rational thinking man. I continuously give you knowledge, wisdom and understanding. But this insight you should have long ago corrected yourself, am I right. I must have something right that the mosque, the church, Brother Marcus website, Louisiana NOI’s website etc. banned me from their sites.
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way, that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world.
What say you?
Monday, May 24th 2010 at 9:51PM
Harry Watley
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Hello, Clark
The outcome of "waiting on Jesus" is the same whether we sing and wait, dance and wait, hymm and wait, clapp our hands and wait or flip burgers and wait. Though I love Jesus (PBUH)....there will be no change in the final outcome.
Wednesday, May 26th 2010 at 12:07PM
jamal Abraham
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Clark, I fully agree that Booket T. Washington was a great man. A man's deeds trumps rhetoric anyday.
Wednesday, May 26th 2010 at 3:39PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello to All,
The phrase, Jesus will return. The phrase, wait on Jesus. Is synonymous to in the minds of you all and everybody else. So, to try to change up now after I came out on you all only means that you all are playing semantics. This type of BS is the Negroes, signature card of ignorance.
To look for Jesus return and to wait on Jesus means the same thing. Both concepts are wrong and it dopes up Black Americans abilities to rationalize as it is presently doing to Clark, Jamal and the rest of you. Our only permanent solution is that we desire to become a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. God decision is our sovereignty whether you all like it or not, period.
You all must put Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha down since these people are not our genuine prophet given to us by God. Now, putting them down does not mean that you are against them, okay. On the other hand, Jesus was a genuine prophet given to the house of Israel (Jewish people) by God. Mohammed was a genuine prophet given to the Arabian people by God as well. God must also give our prophet to us. We do not have the right to arbitrarily decide or pick who our prophets should be when we know that only God raised up prophets. Am I making any sense with you?
Consequentially, since we are looking for Jesus return or waiting on Jesus means the same thing since such thinking does not move in the direction that we would see our genuine prophet when God would raise him up for us, am I right. Furthermore, all genuine prophets had the same problems with their own people since their peoples’ minds were always focus on some other prophet.
Genuine prophets have always had a difficult time with their own people and you all know it.
In addition, let me comment on this phrase, “God helps those who help themselves”. This statement is irrational and this is why. To begin with, logically speaking if you can help yourself then you do not need God help. Just continue to praise and be grateful to God as usual. On the other hand, you need God help when you realize that you cannot help yourself. So far, you all do not realize that you cannot help yourself, mentally speaking.
Likewise, it came a time in the lives of the children of Israel that some of them knew they needed God help. So, they cried out to God for help as it is said in the story of Moses. God sent them Moses who led them out of bondage and slavery, which was the help that they needed from God since Pharaoh was so much stronger than they were. Black Americans are in such a condition that they cannot help themselves either, especially mentally speaking since White America is so much stronger than we are and this makes it incumbent upon God to help Black Americans. You all are some irrational thinking people and that is why I must help you all move forward that our generations down the road would benefit and be a sovereign people on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Everything that I say is going to happen.
Now, the analogy that Clark gave and he, himself does not see the bigger picture concerning Mr. Washington and DuBois is that both of these men depended on White America to be successful in their undertaking. This should tell you that neither one of these men was God chosen nor our time has not come yet.
Consider Moses. Moses did not depend on Pharaoh or anyone in the courts of Pharaoh for anything. Moses depended on and was led by God.
In all that I have said, nowhere did I ever say to depend on White America for our sovereignty, am I right. On the other hand, all of you so-called God believing people depend on White America.
Jamal’s project depends on White America’s tax paying dollars to fund his back to Africa project. The rest of you all see God through the eyes of the White Christian American religion of Christianity.
You all need to put down the dependency on White Americans and the Christian religion and grab hold of what I am telling you as the children of Israel had put down the Egyptian religion and picked up what Moses was giving them to become a free and sovereign people and walked out of Egypt, am I right. The Jewish people to be in the state of Israel are proof that the children of Israel did walk out of Egypt against pharaoh’s objection. God is offering us the same. Am I making any sense with you all?
What say you?
Wednesday, May 26th 2010 at 4:16PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, my project does not "depend" on US tax dollars....you should speak on what you know....which, granted, is not much.
Friday, May 28th 2010 at 12:44AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said in one of your blogs that you would appeal to President Obama, am I right. Furthermore, I said to you that Black Americans are not natives to Africa. A portion of this continent is Black America’s homeland, am I right. If you could not show that I am wrong then we have no business in Tanzania, am I right.
What say you?
Friday, May 28th 2010 at 1:28AM
Harry Watley
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We will ask America for money, yes, but not exclusively. We will also ask the Chinese, Arabs and European countries as well. Then we will ask several major foundations that have an interest in building up the African continent.
Friday, May 28th 2010 at 7:24AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You first said this, “Harry, my project does not "depend" on US tax dollars....you should speak on what you know.…”
I replied with this, you said in one of your blogs that you would appeal to President Obama for assistance, which is US tax dollars, am I right.
Now, you are admitting with resentment that you will seek US tax dollars when you said this, “We will ask America for money, yes,” Consequentially, I do know what I am speaking on, right! It is you that is very confused. You do not know which way is up!
You, Jamal are not a rationally thinking person. Black Americans have never been in life-giving situations that would have allowed us to develop rationally thinking abilities. To develop rational thinking ability we, as a people must first be sovereign or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country. Pursuing life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way is the only source of developing rational thinking abilities.
From the on start your rational abilities are whacked since you know that Black Americans are natives to this continent and not Africa, yet you are encouraged to go to Africa. Am I making any sense with you?
I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world. Nothing that I have said was trumped by anyone, am I right.
The book that you wrote is not rational.
In addition, do you not see that I am right when I say that Black Americans are irrational people? Look! All of you, Robert, Siebra, Clark, and Jen etc. are all of one people, yet none of you could agree on your salvation, which could only be our sovereignty or complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent since this is the continent we were made on, am I right. Only God could help us and the first sign of God helping us is when a prophet announced himself to us as I have done. Am I making any sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Friday, May 28th 2010 at 9:26AM
Harry Watley
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Poor Harry, An idiot in gentleman's clothing
Getting back to the nature of the blog. Assimilation has its merits. And for a time period, Particular the time of Booker T. Washington...it proved to be a way for black Americans to achieve success. But, Black Americans should not end there. That is the point....they should advance themselves with self knowledge to the phase of "separation" from the slavemaster's land to their own land.
Friday, May 28th 2010 at 10:02AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
Since you said this, “black Americans to achieve success. they should advance themselves with self knowledge to the phase of "separation" from the slavemaster's land to their own land.”
Well Jamal, have I not been saying long before you that Black America’s only permanent solution is that we desire to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way? Have I not said that God has put this solution before us to accept as God put the Exodus before the children of Israel to accept as well? So, why would you be saying the same thing that I have been saying and not wanting to join and support me since I am God Chosen One?
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 1:06AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, you have nothing to join....just hot air.
America has been condemned by the One God of the Universe. It makes no sense to build a house where the land is planned for destruction....it makes no sense. Just turn on the news...America is in trouble with no signs of letting up. It is time to prepare to depart America...and that is why God has commissioned me...for the deliverance of my people out of America to Africa.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 8:46AM
jamal Abraham
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littleDeleter
when do Muslims call anyone, "the whiteman"?
Muslims call on Allaah, ONLY.
maybe the negroNeoNoi called, "the whiteman"---or some other nonBeliever for Help.
Eetha Jaa' NasrAllaahi walFatha----is the Believers Cry--not, "whiteman"
take yourself forward in time about 50 years--oldLittle.
learn something...and submit to Truth....
NO Muslim, believer in AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(as); none of the Scholarship of 1431+ years, none of the 2 billion Muslims in the world say what little has Chronicled concerning paganChristian 'black/white' Racialism
NO Family Member of ElijahMuhammad -in 2010 says that he was messenger or that he said anything Islaamic from 1930-1945!
He produced great SONS, DAUGHTERS, GRANDCHILDREN, that by 1945 reverted to AlQur'aan and the Sunnah of Mohamed(as).
yet, you, a NOBODY spouts negroLying stereotypes in 2010---why?
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 12:28PM
robert powell
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “It makes no sense to build a house where the land is planned for destruction....it makes no sense.”
Considering your fears, you are saying that you do not believe that Black America’s portion of this continental land could be exempt from harm while other parts occupied by White Americans are not so fortunate.
In addition, it seems to me that you are calculating things based upon what you presently see and not any sound inspiration from God as Moses, Mohammed and I gets, am I right. Consequentially, if you were as I am you would be focused on Black Americans and not on White Americans and the things that are happening. Moses as I am was focused on the children of Israel and not on Pharaoh or the plagues as I am only focused on Black Americans. Your mindset of what Black Americans should do is dependent upon White America and what you see that is presently happening in nature that affects them, am I right.
You have the same mindset that Dr. King and Elijah Muhammad had. They operated on self-wisdom and insight. Black America’s problems of greater than any one of us wisdom and insight. Our problems are divine and of course, it will take God Chosen One who will also be divine if you will to resolve our problems permanently. Am I making any sense with you?
Therefore, your way of thinking is not the gems of a genuine prophet. In other words, if you remove White America out of your equation your mathematical problem falls apart since its variables are dependent on White America. Therefore, God is not guiding you.
However, with me my equation is all about Black Americans in our salvation, sovereignty or complete independence on a portion of this continent. What ever else is going on my focus is on the salvation, sovereignty or complete independence of Black Americans on a portion of this continent.
Likewise, Moses was entirely focused on the Exodus of his people irrespective to what ever else was taking place around him whether the Egyptians or the country of Egypt was being affected.
God is guiding an inspiring me as God so did guided and inspired Moses. Am I making any sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 12:35PM
Harry Watley
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We all watched the white man's machinery rescue black Americans on TV. There were no machinery from middle eastern muslims available to rescue them. If the black muslims did not call on the whiteman to rescue them...then they became food for the alligators, crocodiles, sharks and snakes common in the bayou, swamps, marshes and 20ft to 30 ft water drifts left by the hurricane.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 12:36PM
jamal Abraham
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Clark, no doubt the assimilation solution of Washington was practical in that time period. It is hard for me to knock any black man with positive deeds, but, sometime when not wanting to rock the boat one might turn a deaf ear to new thinking like that of W.E. Dubois, while , more to the right then Washington, was yet left of Marcus Garvey when it comes to black nationalism. Progressively, we see black Americans demonstrate our civility and capacity for education and independance from Washington to Garvey.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 12:44PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Clark,
Washington and DuBois as well as you are not intelligently rational thinking people, and here is why.
You said this, “Washington's focus was assimilation, no doubt, but with a purpose, that being, for blacks to become self-sufficient. And I think that at the time that was a logical goal along the way at the time.”
What makes this sort of thinking irrational is that a people (Black Americans) who are racially different from another people (White Americans) could never become self-sufficient depending on that other people (White Americans).
Black Americans could only become self-sufficient by overcoming the natural obstacles that nature would hurl at us and not to contend with the obstacles of another people racially different from us. Does that make any sense to you Mr. Clark?
Consequentially, both Washington and DuBois were failures. Dr. King, Elijah Muhammad and all others are failures since their minds are no match to White Americans. Am I making any sense? It would take one from among us chosen by God that will more than match the intelligence of White America. I am that Chosen One of God. Everything that I say is going to happen.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 12:55PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert,
You still have to reconcile and rationally explain why you are a Muslim who follows Prophet Mohammed went Prophet Mohammed is not your Prophet.
You and I know because we see it down through the ages that God rose up prophets from among their own kinds. Prophet Mohammed is not of your kind that is Prophet Mohammed was an Arab man risen up by God among the Arabian people. Moses was an Israelite risen up among the children of Israel. Jesus was a Jewish man risen up among the house of Israel. I am a Black American man risen up among Black Americans.
You are not an Arab man. Why then have you accepted Prophet Mohammed against the words of Allah that Allah rose up prophets only from among their own kinds? Why it is that you do not understand that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds and you on not a Prophet Mohammed kinds. So, before you could give other people wisdom and insight straighten yourself out first why you do not have the wisdom and insight to know that Prophet Mohammed is not of your kinds.
You answer that for me.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 1:08PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Clark,
Your attitude is as The Fox and the Sour Grapes fairytale story, which has a lot of meaning.
Everything that I said to you is true that Washington and DuBois were failures since their brainpower was no match against White America.
Consequentially, only an irrationally thinking person as you are would say that they are honored to be in the company of these two failures instead of my company, am I right.
Tell me what you think.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 1:17PM
Harry Watley
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68IQ harry,
say,"the wisdom and insight to know that Prophet Mohammed is not of your kinds."
62 1/2 IQ robert, says what is "your kinds"?
62 1/2 IQ robert, says my kinds is;
American Citizens under the Leadership of President Baraka Hussein Obama.
you and deleterLittle together on your divineMinds seem to not have comprehended current events yet.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 6:07PM
robert powell
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Poor robert, can't even make a good sentence or a decent paragraph. Why not go back to school, old man, and learn how to write a decent sentence.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 6:50PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal
You said that there were traps that lead Black men and women into becoming gay, lesbian, and homos*xual. Are you saying that in Tanzania, Morroco, and Egypt, there are no lesbians or homos*xuals? How is that possible, I thought that they were everywhere.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 8:02PM
Helen Lofton
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Brother Jamal, you are 100% correct about Robert needing to go back to school and learning how to write a decent sentence. And he calls himself a 6th grade English teacher and has nerve to come here and mock MY writing skills? What an idiot.
The poor soul, he can't even spell his name right. Any English major knows you even capitalize "Robert" and "Abraham" because they are proper nouns and proper nouns should always be capitalized, so perhaps he also wants to go to the library and learn/read up on the difference between a common noun and a proper noun.
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 9:00PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Clark,
When I said that Mr. Washington and Mr. DuBois are failures is not the same as tearing them down. Tearing down someone would be to mock them, make fun of them or belittled them. None of these things am I doing to either of these men. They are failures because they did not understand the scope of the problem Black Americans were deliberately under by White Americans. Their mentality was no match for White Americans. Therefore, there were failures. But, most importantly neither of them had the backing of God. Dr. King was also a failure. Mr. Elijah Muhammad was also a failure. I can go on and on since, none of these men had the backing of God. I am the only one that has the backing of God to resolve permanently our problems here in White America. The same that Moses was the only one that God was backing to remedy the problems permanently of the children of Israel in Egypt. Am I making any sense with you?
Likewise, you do not understand the full gravity of Black America’s situation either since you do not support our only permanent solution, which is sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Jamal understands somewhat the full gravity of our situation better than you do, yet Jamal does not understand its full impact not to know that only God could help us. What I am saying is that no Black individual could permanently resolve our dilemma except me, since I am God chosen.
However, getting back to educating you that there are differences of tearing down a man and realizing that man has failed. You should have the common sense to know the differences.
I wholeheartedly praise these two men in their sincere efforts. Nevertheless, they both failed and I gave you the reasons why above. This is a senseless argument between you and me when you know full well that they failed. So, I am not telling you a lie when I said that they both failed, am I. Your comprehension skills are so whacked that you interpret failure the same as tearing a man down when the two concepts are different from each other.
It is a shame and a pity that I should have a 68 IQ and you have an IQ well above average and cannot discern the differences of tearing a man down as opposed to announcing that Washington and Dubois failed in their attempt to remedy the Negroes problems.
In fact, let me ask you this question. Let us say that with a snap of my finger I could bring both of them back to life. Do you think either of them could resolve our problem today? I do not think so. Do you think you have the permanent solution? If you do, then put it out there for us to read!
What say you?
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 10:34PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert,
Knucklehead! Forget about my IQ. My 68 IQ is not the subject or the issue that I raised with you.
The issue I raised with you is that the Quran tells you Allah only rose up prophets from among their own kinds. So, since Mohammed is an Arab man and you are not Arab, why have you embraced Prophet Mohammed as your prophet against the actual wording of Allah in the Quran?
So, forget about my IQ and deal with the bigger issue I threw at you. You want to argue my IQ to deflect and cover-up your ignorance of being a descendent of Black Americans, yet following an Arab man on the Quran fully tells you that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds.
The Surat of Jonah and the HUD people in the Quran clearly tells you that Allah sent Prophet Jonah to his people and Prophet HUD to his people as Allah sent Prophet Mohammed to his people. We also see that God sent Prophet Moses to his people as well. Consequentially, why should not God send Prophet Harry to his own kinds as well? We know that Mr. Elijah, Jamal and Siebra have anything to do with God since you all have aligned yourselves to Arabian people and claim their religion of Islam as your own.
Why it is that your brains cannot understand that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds? Therefore, why are you, Robert following Prophet Mohammed and have declared yourself to be a Muslim when the only true Muslims are Arabian people since Prophet Mohammed coined that word Muslim. Do you not realize that when you want to be someone else it is not possible ever to be yourself?
The same test CNN had on television when those Black kids pointed to White kids it would have been the same if Arabian people was there you, Elijah, Farrakhan, Jamal and Siebra would have pointed to the Arabian people expressing your desire to be as them. Do you all not understand the incredible ignorance and divined dilemma that we are in, which only God could remove us?
How it is that I can see these things with an IQ of 68 and you all cannot see what I see. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that black Americans could ever become real people in this world. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Everything that I say is going to happen because God communicates with me constantly.
So, forget about my 68 IQ. Answer my question, knucklehead!
What say you?
Saturday, May 29th 2010 at 11:02PM
Harry Watley
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Helen, good question......it turns out that the traps are set in every fabric of American culture from children story books, movies, videos, entertainment and print media. It is inside these specific information media's that white culture plants the elements of gay, lesbian and homes*xuality. In the New world for example in Tanzania, Morocco and Egypt there will not be the subduction implantations allowed in these media. Books, billboards with gay, lesbian suggestion will be banned. Sure, there are gay and lesbians everywhere, but a person from our kingdom will not be encouraged. We will no doubt interact with the people there in the host country and engage with deviants of natural behavior, but, the idea of our nation is to be a model nation for other African nations to emulate. Ideally, we would like to think our people in Tanzania will want to incorporate as much of our values into "their" lives. That is left up to time. Part of the filtering process in membership to the "nation building" group is for a willful person...a person that is not borderline for black nationalism but is serious about it. Weakness to these traps are indications of potential weaknesses for magic potions and spells once in Africa. Therefore, we prefer black Americans with strong wills.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 1:01PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello to All,
FYI, homos*xuality and lesbianism are natural occurrences. They are un-preventable. I am speaking of genuine homos*xuality and lesbianism. However, being promiscuous is also natural in nature. Just as opposites are natural in nature, homos*xuality and heteros*xual are natural in nature as well.
Two heteros*xuals could produce a homos*xual or a lesbian. The same as two right-handed people could produce a left-handed person. Humanity must handle these things with understanding and civility. In other words, there is no left without a right. There is no up unless there is a down. There is no east without a west.
Jamal’s mindset is irrational. He does not know any better.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 1:48PM
Harry Watley
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if i use robert, harry or siebra as an adjective they do not have to capitalized, littleWizKid.
harry is not a proper person because the individual that responds as harry, never reads, or comprehends anything.
he has no basis for his comments other than hisDivine mindOnly and as I have explanined before he may just be an outpatient mental case study.
siebra, a responder, also uses NO scholarship or History while also using filthy gutter language made by women of the street. statements from other peoples families, while NO one in the family agrees with her thought.
these two responders are adjectives or even sometimes verbs, not Proper Americans.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 2:11PM
robert powell
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Hello Robert,
All that you are doing Robert is criticizing me. Any knucklehead could criticize. It does not take brainpower to criticize. It takes a brainpower to come up with factual reasons that would knock down what the other person say. You have not knocked down anything that I said concerning you.
For instance, I said that the Quran says that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds and that is a fact, am I right. I then asked you why are you following Prophet Mohammed who was an Arab man and you are not an Arab man. This question based on fact you have not answered, yet all you do is criticize.
Again, Robert, knuckleheads criticizes since they have no brainpower. Intelligent people does not criticize they answer charges brought against them. You need to answer the charge that I have brought against you. Why are you following Prophet Mohammed?
Notice that I am not criticizing you. I am asking you direct questions that you will not answer, why? It is because I am right in your way out is to criticize me rather than answer my question. So, where does that leave you except in the category of a knucklehead, am I right.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 2:55PM
Harry Watley
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Assimilation into any society or scholarship can be difficult.
I believe one needs a Great love for the Family of Adaam, patience and a willingness to work hard to communicate with all.
harry for the 1 Millionth and Third time.
I have answered all of your harry questions.
yes, AlQur'aan says in an early chapter all nations have been given a prophet so that they cannot say on the day of Atonement they did not hear.
In a final Chapter, AlQur'aan narrates to Mohamed(as) that the deenAlIslaam had at that time been perfected and Mohamed(as) was the LAST prophet of The Creator of Adaam and That Mohamedas) was the Perfect example for ALL the Family of Adaam til the Atonement Day.
yourMind does not comprehend the answer in harry divine language.
You harry other peoples answers and posts, your mind can only be harried by harry thoughts.
I cannot criticize harry because harry is never off of harry.
This I think of harry.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 6:18PM
robert powell
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The only person that fits the description as told in the Quran of prophet would have to be an American. Muslims cannot be put in a small cardboard box of AllSlaam. Much like the ahmadi sect would have us believe that Ahmadi was the last Prophet. In Pakistan, for example, they persecute the ahmadi sect, because they do not believe in Prophet Mohammed of Arabia as the last Prophet. Again, to fit the definition of a prophet to a nation of that people speaking "that" people's language would support Harry's claim that a prophet in America must be an English speaking American. It is as simple as that.
Then it would only be an issue whether "Harry" is that prophet. Though, I disagree, with Harry on almost everything, he is absolutely correct according to the Quran about his claim that an Arab man could not be the Last prophet to America. Debate should be around arriving at the truth as oppose to trying to drown out the truth with a bunch of jargon in a differant language so as to create confusion. It turns out that Harry would fall under the category of false prophets in America. He is neither divine nor the Last Prophet of the One God. But, he is correct about the Last Prophet would have to be an American speaking English.
Messenger Elijah Muhammad is the only American born that fits the description of Last prophet or messenger. He was American and spoke English. Also, it turns out that the last prophet would have to come in the name "Muhammad". The name Harry does not fit the bill. As there is much to the name. In this sense, Robert, is correct of the Last being of the name Mohammed or Muhammad...differant Quran's spell it differantly, though, it is the same thing. The confusion is in the detail. Again, Elijah Muhammad fits the description to the tee.
Sunday, May 30th 2010 at 8:16PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Robert and Jamal,
Rhyme and reason is always the order of the day for me. So, let us begin. I believe that both of you are tripping over yourselves. Let me explain.
Both of you wannabe Arabian are coming from the Quran. However, I would caution you to embrace the Quran rather than allowing the Quran to embrace you. For instance, your common sense should tell you that the Quran has authority over the Arabian people only. It is the Arabian people that uses the phrase, “Last Prophet” and rightfully so. Prophet Mohammed was the Arabian’s people first and last prophet. The Arabian people are the only people that have the right to say that Mohammed is the Last Prophet, but only to them. Do you understand? Arabian people do not have the right to say that Mohammed is the “Last Prophet” to Black Americans or any other race of people. Consequentially, when you and Jamal say that Prophet Mohammed was the “Last Prophet” to Black Americans when Black Americans now has their first genuine prophet, Prophet Harry is because you all are wannabe Arabians. That is what I mean when I say that the Quran has consumed you rather then you consuming the Quran.
Now, the reason Jamal would want to fit Elijah improperly into the equation as Black America’s prophet is because Jamal is thinking irrationally and he loves Elijah for nothing. You cannot have some interpretation of the Quran. You must have none of the interpretation of the Quran since it is an Arabian religious book of guidance. Black America’s book of guidance is forthcoming. It is rational that you come out of one book only. The only book that you as a Black American could rationally come out of is your own book, which is forthcoming. Likewise, rationally speaking the only book that the Arabian people could come out of is the Quran. You, as a Black American cannot rationally come out of the same book that authentically belongs to the Arabian people. The Quran is based on Prophet Mohammed who was an Arabian man. The Quran is revelations revealed to Prophet Mohammed over 23 years. Black Americans has nothing to do with these revelations of God given to the Arabian people through Prophet Mohammed. Am I making any sense with you all? Prophet Mohammed is my spiritual brother in prophet hood if you will.
What I have just explained goes for Mr. Elijah Poole as well. Elijah was misled to change his birth name from Poole to Muhammad, which the name Mohammed is authentically an Arabian name. Elijah was misled as well to embrace the Arabian people’s religion of Islam. Am I making any sense with you? Mr. Elijah was a Black American born a descendent of slaves. Elijah was a new breed or race of people that emerged out of the ashes of slavery as the rest of us are. Changing his birth name would be the same as changing his language by trying to learn to speak the Arabic language when he was born speaking the English language. The Quran says that all prophets speak the language of his people as Prophet Mohammed spoke the Arabic language, which is the language of his people. Therefore, if you make the effort to learn to read and speak Arabic your better sense should tell you that the Quran is not your religious book of guidance.
So, we know that Elijah could not have been our prophet since he claimed alliance with the Islamic religion. Our prophet will come bearing our religion and I have told you that our religion is, “LIFE”. Mr. Elijah never came bearing a religion as Mohammed, Moses and I have. Elijah buried himself under the religion of the Arabian people, Islam because he did not know any better. Those that followed him are all misled.
Jamal is claiming that I am a false prophet because he just cannot believe and accept that I am Black America’s first genuine prophet that will lead us into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. However, every now and then he sees a flicker of light that I am our genuine prophet based on my wisdom God has given to me to wake up Black Americans.
In other words, with me lies our permanent solution, which is sovereignty. The same as it was with Moses. Moses was divinely endowed with the Hebrew people’s permanent solution, which was the Exodus.
Everything that I say is going to happen. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way that Black Americans could ever become a real people in this world. Both of you must get out of the religion of Islam and join me in our authentic religion, “LIFE” and help me with my task of raising the rest of our people to a perpendicular.
Tell me what you think.
Monday, May 31st 2010 at 1:09AM
Harry Watley
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Harry, your jibber jabber is fit for rodents. Elijah produced books, you produce hot air........Elijah produced newspapers....you produce hot air....Elijah produced farmland, you produce hot air....Elijah produced restaurants, bakeries, clothing stores, you produce hot air.....
I could go on and on.....NO DOUBT HARRY IS A FALSE PROPHET
Monday, May 31st 2010 at 8:46AM
jamal Abraham
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Robert, again had to delete your comments due to your extreme ignorance of not addressing me properly
Monday, May 31st 2010 at 9:44AM
jamal Abraham
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Count me in family. I myself am growing tired of Harry feeding us the same old refried beans. Who wants some trout (LOL)?
Monday, May 31st 2010 at 1:53PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Cynthia it's fresh. The oil spill didn't get a hold of it so there's nothing to worry about (LOL)
Monday, May 31st 2010 at 2:17PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Hello Jamal,
I do not deny that Elijah produced books, newspapers, farmlands, bakeries, restaurants and clothing stores. Mr. Elijah Muhammad was an entrepreneur. An entrepreneur is not a prophet.
A prophet is a man that God has chosen to resolve a specific problem of his people. Did not Prophet Moses permanently resolve the specific problem of bondage and slave free of his people in Egypt? Did not Prophet Mohammed permanently resolve the specific problem of paganism of his people?
Black Americans are a subjugated people in White America. Who could resolve this specific problem except a genuine prophet of God to us? The specific problem to be resolved is that Black Americans are to be made sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way. It is clear that Elijah did not resolve Black America’s specific problem, am I right. So how could you say that Elijah was our prophet unless you do not know any better?
Apparently, you do not have sufficient wisdom to discern the differences of a genuine prophet and an entrepreneur, am I right. The very evidence that you gave of what Elijah did is indicative of an entrepreneur and not a prophet. Does that make sense to you?
As a sidebar debate, why are you a Muslim with the religion of Islam when it is clear that Allah perfected Islam via Prophet Mohammed specifically for the Arabian people while you are a Black American man as Elijah was? Should not red flags go up that would signal something is wrong with your rational abilities?
Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, June 1st 2010 at 12:06PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Clark,
Screaming out your criticism, what technical point did Jamal make? Please explain yourself.
FYI, of course I am right about everything that I say. None of you has trumped the things that I say. Therefore, the fact that I am right about everything is indicative that I am not a false prophet. Does that make sense to you?
My wisdom, insight and understanding come from God. I told you before I have an IQ of 68.
So please explain this technical point that Jamal has made.
Tell me what you think
Tuesday, June 1st 2010 at 12:13PM
Harry Watley
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Hello Robert,
You have not explained yet why Islam is your religion, you follow Prophet Mohammed who was an Arab man, and at the same time, the Quran says that Allah rose up prophets from among their own kinds. Should you not be following a prophet that Allah has risen up from among your own kind?
Am I making supreme sense with you?
Tell me what you think.
Tuesday, June 1st 2010 at 12:17PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, As a hypocrite, you have not the basis to speak on Allah, the true and living God. So, speak on what you know. Who commissioned you...what is the God's name that commissioned you ?
Wednesday, June 2nd 2010 at 12:42PM
jamal Abraham
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Now Christ said he would leave "u" with a compforter the holy spirit....
Wednesday, June 2nd 2010 at 1:11PM
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