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As an individual, many African Americans can claim, they have won. Even as a Group which is defined as a number of persons or things gathered closely together and forming a recognizable unit. To WIN an Individual must be able to survive and grow. Black Americans "win" as a group. Across America, programs are setup to assist their people with as array of problems including rehabilitation, mentoring, counseling and financial services. Religion and social networks have also been instrumental at strengthening the group. To Grow there is HBCUs which allows black Americans with ambition and motivation to excel, to learn necessary skills to sustain themselves and help others. Then there is the Community where Black Americans are complete failures. Even as a Nation, Black Americans fail. There are many reasons why but, first, lets here what your thoughts are. Check out my book: 21st Century Vision for Black America....www.trafford.com/06-2972
Posted By: jamal Abraham
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 9:07PM
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Hello Jamal,
Before I could give you my thoughts would you please clarify what is the difference of an African American and a Black American, since you use both terms interchangeably in your blog, okay. I want to know so that I would be on the same page as you are if you believe an African-American is the same as a Black American.
I am not as smart as you are. Remember that I have an IQ of 68. I am practically retarded. Therefore, I would like to know from you that when I look at a Nigerian African am I looking at a Black American as well.
Please give me your answer so I can give you my thoughts of your blog or take the opportunity to correct yourself now, okay.
Tell me what you think.
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 9:27PM
Harry Watley
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Harry, deal with the blog or you will be deleted.
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 9:45PM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, the here and now is important. In it, if you have found total satisfaction and happiness, sure, forget about the future. However, if "holes" exists in the state of existence a person currently is living...then there is reason for wanting a future. To seal the holes.
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 9:50PM
jamal Abraham
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Jamal - my first thought is:
Isn't the group part of the community?
If the community is losing, the group is losing as well
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 10:19PM
Jecoliah Judah
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Irma, an individual exists as a single person. Forget about anyone else. As such, some African Americans have grown to be quite successful. There are AFrican Americans that have become millionaires and live very comfortable lives with fine homes, cars and bank accounts. They have grown their individual families and mimic the American dream.
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 10:55PM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
You said this, “As an individual, many African Americans can claim, they have won.”
You also said this, “Then there is the Community where Black Americans are complete failures”
I do not know if you realize that the question I am asking you is coming out of your blog that you should advise me to stick with the blog.
Now, are the individual African-Americans that could claim they have won are the same Black Americans that are complete failures?
If I am asking to difficult of a question for you to answer, I do not necessarily have to comment on your blog, okay.
I am a person that says what I mean and mean what I say. I am very particular that what I have in my mind is put out precisely as I have first organized it in my mind. Again, if what I am asking you is too difficult for you to clarify then I will not stress you. I do not know whether you are talking about Black Americans or African-Americans.
You could be talking about two different people. Ms. Judah seems to be as confused as I am based on the question that she has asked you to clarify. She is assuming that the group and the community are the same. I do not want to take it for granted what you mean. Therefore, I am giving you the opportunity to correct yourself.
For instance, the African-Americans seem to be the (group) you are referencing that could claim they have won. On the other hand, the (community) you are talking about seems to be Black Americans that are complete failures. Therefore, I am asking you is this a group of African Americans the same community of Black Americans since one could claim they have one while the other are complete failures.
What exactly are you asking our thoughts on? Are our thoughts to be on African-Americans or Black Americans?
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 11:07PM
Harry Watley
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Harry - speak for yourself
I AM NOT CONFUSED
The group is part of the community and both are losing
Much love
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 11:16PM
Jecoliah Judah
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Good point bro. Jecoliah.........since a community is group of people "living" together as a smaller social unit within a larger one having common interest and work, there is a major problem. By definition, A black community may possibly survive but it cannot grow since it depends on the larger white community for its key necessities. A black community would need grocery stores, educational services and medical services to grow. For a black community to excel they would need to be in control of protection services to handle crime. The black community in America needs the 911 protection from the larger white community. How many African Americans have died waiting on protection services from white authority only to arrive way too late. An expected mother needs to go to medical services outside of the black community for her pregnancy needs. Since an African American community is unable to take care of itself, we find the deplorable conditions prevalent in black communities. An African American community would need be able to provide for its own elderly with hospice and senior living accommodations. It is in this sense, that the African American community has failed.
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 11:21PM
jamal Abraham
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Would a strong black man represent himself with a soft beautiful flower?
Not any that I know!
Brother Jamal I am an intelligent, opinionated woman, mother, sister, friend...
Peace and Blessings
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 11:37PM
Jecoliah Judah
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You are absolutely right...
After being freed from slavery, we had no resources and no support
The white community was already established and it "appeared" as if they had everything we needed
We fought and died to have access to their shops, schools, hospitals, etc.
We need our own EVERYTHING
Not out of hate to cause separation and division, but out of necessity for the survival and advancement of Our People
Sunday, June 6th 2010 at 11:50PM
Jecoliah Judah
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Sorry, Sis. Jecoliah....I was more affixed on the name Judah with the image of a LION coming into my head then.. on the flower. Thanks for correcting me.
Exactly, hate should not be figured into the equation, but out of necessity we need our own everything. Many blacks in America prefer to ditch the idea of the community and consider blacks only as a group. Using their people only as a convenience, though, interested in basically only themselves. That is when we lose, because the black community demands more from the individuals making up the group.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 12:17AM
jamal Abraham
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Harry, I have problems with the name African Americans and Black Americans. Africa denotes a name given by a European to the people of Africa. Black refers to dark color, though some of my people are light skinned and yet still in the group of Black Americans. The purpose of this blog is not to get hung up on symantics otherwise I would have to use the term original Asiatic people who are children of American slaves. In the mean time, when I use the term African Americans or Black Americans, they are one and the same for purpose of communicating with the masses of my people. If you have a problem with communicating with a person...then go to another blog.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 12:24AM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, in this blog, it is not about Africa....only about the blacks living as an individual, a group or a community. Try sticking with "that". Perhaps if you get your reading skills enhanced, you would be less confused. The only person that mentioned Africa is YOU.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 12:44AM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, you are NOT totally nuts, but a mature intelligent woman. Think of life as being thrown in a river. It is one thing to tread water to remain afloat. Then it is another to swim an go where you want. Most African Americans are trying to survive meaning to remain afloat.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 12:50AM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, for a person to think as an individual, is selfish. So I use the word CLAIM if they manage to excel to greatness. Though a person may seem to have "WON" if they become a millionaire, how many brothers and sisters did they have to shun and ignore to reach stardom and fame. They may find themselves unhappy in the long run as a result.
If you are looking for how this ties in to the big picture, Irma on my divine mission of transitioning African Americans from America to Africa, then you should ASK . Since you obviously DO NOT KNOW.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 7:30AM
jamal Abraham
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Hello Jamal,
Okay, I see you have corrected yourself and that is good. I have asked you are the terms African American and Black Americans on in the same. Since it had appeared to me that, you did not know the difference between the two terms and was using them as one in the same.
However, you have corrected yourself when you said this, “when I use the term African Americans or Black Americans, they are one and the same”
An African-American and a Black American are not one in the same person. An African-American is a person of African origin. For instance, the Nigerian community living in Houston, Texas is African Americans. They are Africans because of African origin and they are Americans because they have become citizens.
On the other hand, a Black American is understood to be a descendent of slaves. Black Americans are a made people on this continent when White people mostly of British descent bred themselves with the African slave people they purchased from the slave traders over a period of 350 years.
A Black American is the livestock property of White Americans while African Americans are not the property of White Americans since African-Americans were never slaves.
What I have just explained has nothing to do with Asiatic people whatever that means.
Now, I do not have to communicate on this blog. I am looking for civility, common sense, straightforwardness and honesty. If there is none of these qualities on this blog shared by all the people participating then I who appreciate these qualities naturally become a troublemaker to those that does not have these qualities to share, am I right. I am not looking for fight from any of you. I know the mental difficulties that we have communicating and loving each other. I know our personalities towards each other are very screwed up. We hate to be corrected by each other but we will quit accept corrections from White people. That is a result of the stress that slavery had on our ancestors that was passed down to us. It needs to be corrected.
So with that said I will just leave this blog along.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 8:24AM
Harry Watley
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ReWind to 2010 American Reality.
American has Won with the Leadership of President Baraka Hussein Obama.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 8:36AM
robert powell
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As an individual, President Baraka Obama has Won, though African Americans still have FAILED as a community or nation of people.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 9:24AM
jamal Abraham
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Harry, only a 100 years ago they called us Ni_gas, coons, Negroes and spooks. So to be referred to as Black Americans or African Americans is a plus. Obviously, you just want to argue then deal with the blog...SO yes, if you cannot contribute to this blog, stay the HELL off. As as ASIATIC..., with an IQ of 68, I would not expect you to know what that refers to. But, there was a time when the entire land mass of Earth was considered ASIA, prior to the splitting up of the continents.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 9:46AM
jamal Abraham
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Irma, one of My uncles, a doctor that practiced in the city of Detroit for years when it was unpopular to be an African American doctor became a millionaire and would give some of us relatives of his only $20 when we graduated from high school or college. He is now deceased and not wanting to bad mouth him but he seemed to many of us only to really care about his wife and 2 daughters.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 12:58PM
jamal Abraham
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Great Points, Clark...the problem as a Black community, we get accustomed to depending on those outside of our community which stands at about $1 trillion per year GDP and never "learn" how to gradually replace that dependency internal efforts. Then in time, with politics and change in budgeting, they began to siphon the black community off...which is what currently is happening.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 2:51PM
jamal Abraham
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United we stand, divided we continue to fall!!!
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 5:26PM
Siebra Muhammad
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Irma, only to get you accustomed to avoid second guessing a scientist when you are not sure....just ASK.....
The point of the blog is that Black Americans can only WIN as a community when we are in full control of the land, the government and the resources...which will only occur with LAND OF OUR OWN.
Monday, June 7th 2010 at 9:22PM
jamal Abraham
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D-U-H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
was your uncle wrong to put his wife and chidren first only because of he color of his skin or because you did not like the way he lived his life????...but, this is alright as some people must live the lives of others as an extention of themselves..but this is their right to be as you say selfish for doing so...
much like one can be successful by remaining in America and in Africa at the same time?!? Jamal??????? Jamal's laws of possiabllity / change in scientific fact??? or did "I" not just ask you a question??????????? (smile)
I am only on the site to learn and be able to pass on what will help improve ,make our community more able to survive. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...I will say this and leave for good...Jamal, doesn't just by breathing we live and grow...or am I just totally nuts? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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jAMAL, AS YOU ARE USING THE "ONE SHOULD JUST ASK" YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING MY COMMENTS ON THIS MATTER OF "JUST ASK M-E ...AND IN DOING SO, YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO OVER LOOK THAT WHEN "I" AM ASKED A QUESTION "I" ANSWER THE QUESTION AND DO NOT DO EVERY THING BUT ANSWER THE QUESTION...
NOR DO "I" CHANGES MY PROOFS WITH EVERY NEXT COMMENT NOR BLOG..."I" AM CONSISTANT...NOTICE HOW PREDICTIABLE YOU AE ALSO IN NOT ANSWERING A QUESTION...BECAUSE YOU JUST CHANGED THE WHOLE PRIMISE OF THE THEME OF YOUR POST TO GIVE ME AND NSWER, BUT YOU HAVE NOT CHANGE THE ATTEMPTS TO INSULT ME INTO LINE TO F-O-L-L-O-W YOU. LOL (SMILE)...
NAME ONE MILLIONAIRE OF FAMOUSE PERSON TAHT YOU PERSOANLLY KNOW THAT SHUNED, ABOUSSED YOU TO GET TO THE POSITION THEY ARE IN RIGHT NOW AS RICH / FAMOUS, JAMAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (SMILE)
J-U-S-T O-N-E, JAMAL ............................."YOOOOOOOOOOOOO"...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Thank you so much Clark. As there are so many people who believe taht the only way to win is to FOLLOW THEM, O-B-E-Y THEM. (SMILE)
i WONDEER HOW MANY OF US ACTUALLY KNOW A $$$$$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONAIRE BEYOND WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN T-O-L-D ABOUT THEM MUCH LESS HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS OR INTIMATE FRIENDS AS $$$$$$$$ MILLIONAIRES... OR EVEN WANT TO BE $$$$$$$$MILLIONAIRES BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO "HAPP AS "WINNERS" IN THEIR OWN LIVES TO EVEN CARE IN THE FIRST PLACE...
(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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in this blog, you did use the words, c-l-a-i-m and hbuc allow...and survive, did you not and did I not ask you about these words, Jamal???(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...THE WORD A-L-L-O-W-S ALSO HAS ME CONFUSED AS YOU ARE USING IT ABOUT THE HBUC...and expeciallyis the way you put it are you disallowing what you say about your own goals in saving by way of moving to Afrca when we are already doing this just by turning on a computer right here in the good old U.S.of A, Jamal...
I believe Ihad better leave ,because the ore answers I see the more I get confused...or have you decided not to continue your program???? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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WELL, "I" DO ADMIT "I" AM TOTALLY CONFUSED...AND, I AM CONFUSED BY THE WORD C-L-A-I-M...
OR IS JAMAL REPEATING TO ME WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL HIS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL...AND WITHOUT SAYING "CLAIM"?!? (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Jamal, "I" must say you never surprise me with each of your blog (claims?!?)...example...what about my claims as an individual who has never ever had a problem having people follow me, because each and every thing "I" have ever set out to accomplish is in the here and not in the future...
or does this say that you and I are the same in this in accomplishing our goals in getting LAND for our followers, close to it or what????!!!!?...
or do we have different/ individual minds...
my mind says you will never, ever answer this question eventough this is the theme of your own post. but, will talk about every thing that comes in your comments that has noting to do with your own blog's actual theme at all...l9 (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Jamal, my point exactly, and how tis relates to the "claim" of bing an individual ...
or lrts try and put it in this form...are there any holes in the need for the country, government to require proof taht that person has right now in their name that they own the landright now or is there a hole in your nationbuilding??????? (smile) again I am only talking about the theme of your blog and not the past, rpesent or the future...this is what "I" at least mean by the here and the now. (smile)
My proof is to make absolutly there is no hole in the past, present nor in the future...FACTS DON'T CHANG ETO FIT INTO A COMMENT BUT ILLUSIONS, DREAMS, HOPES, ECT. DO...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Jamal, I have never said that African-Americans, people of your race or what ever those are you have been on this site saying what you are inspired to do by saving them in getting them out of America and into Africa...I repeat have you abandoned youR project?????...have you conceded in saying to me think about my actions and forgetting about whaT others do if you are finally telling me what I have been saying to you since you have been on this site about how only "I am responsible for my own actions...OR ARE YOU GIVING ME PERMISSION AND AN LK TAHT "i" CAN BELIEVE WHAT IT IS "i" SAY AND HOW "i" LIVE MY DAILY SINCE YOU HAVE TOLD ME TO DO SO????...
this is about individual 'claims and about how people be they individuals or groups grow and survive is it not and if it is then how is it I am not alking about your theme...
you see I don't tell people what to thIN nor how to be the Best person they can be, NOT TRY TO OFFEND IN AMY WAY FORM OR FAHION JUST FOR COMING ON TO A BLOG AND ACTING LIKE THIS IS A NETWORKING COMMUNITY...
... BE THIS AN INDIVIDUAL / GROUP DISCUSSION...
"i" ALWAYS ASK...AS I HAVE DONE HERE...AGAIN IS YOUR THEME FOR THIS BLOG NOT WHAT i AM TALKING ABOUT OR DID YOU MEAN TO PUT FULL RESTRICTIONS ON PLACES...AS I LIVE IN cA. BUT i GATHER YOU DO NOT??? (SMILE)
BY THE WAY ARE YOU THE SAME PERSON WHO CAME ON MY POST TELLING cYNTHIA ABOUT HER PRIVATE LIFE BECAUSE SHE LIVES IN fL. AS i REMEMBER THE THEME WAS NOT ABOUT cYNTHIA...SO, SO SORRY FOR MY THINKING THAT YOU WERE THE jAMAL TAHT WAS GOING TO SAVE YOUR RACE BY TAKING THEM TO AFRICAN NOT hBUC...i STAND CORRECTED...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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