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150 YEAR OLD PHOTO OF SLAVE CHILDREN FOUND IN NC ATTIC, Huffington Post, June 10, 2010 (1658 hits)


A haunting 150-year-old photo found in a North Carolina attic shows a young black child named John, barefoot and wearing ragged clothes, perched on a barrel next to another unidentified young boy.

Art historians believe it's an extremely rare Civil War-era photograph of children who were either slaves at the time or recently emancipated.

The photo, which may have been taken in the early 1860s, was a testament to a dark part of American history, said Will Stapp, a photographic historian and founding curator of the National Portrait Gallery's photographs department at the Smithsonian Institution.

"It's a very difficult and poignant piece of American history," he said. "What you are looking at when you look at this photo are two boys who were victims of that history."

In April, the photo was found at a moving sale in Charlotte, accompanied by a document detailing the sale of John for $1,150, not a small sum in 1854.

New York collector Keya Morgan said he paid $30,000 for the photo album including the photo of the young boys and several family pictures and $20,000 for the sale document. Morgan said the deceased owner of the home where the photo was found was thought to be a descendant of John.

A portrait of slave children is rare, Morgan said.

"I buy stuff all the time, but this shocked me," he said.

What makes the picture an even more compelling find is that several art experts said it was created by the photography studio of Mathew Brady, a famous 19th-century photographer known for his portraits of historical figures such as President Abraham Lincoln and Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Stapp said the photo was probably not taken by Brady himself but by Timothy O'Sullivan, one of Brady's apprentices. O'Sullivan took a multitude of photos depicting the carnage of the Civil War.

In 1862, O'Sullivan famously photographed a group of some of the first slaves liberated after Lincoln issued his preliminary Emancipation Proclamation.

Such photos were circulated in the North by abolitionists to garner support for the Union during the Civil War, said Harold Holzer, an author of several books about Lincoln. Holzer works as an administrator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Most of the photos depicted adult slaves who had been beaten or whipped, he said.

The photo of the two boys is more subtle, Holzer said, which may be why it wasn't widely circulated and remained unpublished for so long.

"To me, it's such a moving and astonishing picture," he said.

Ron Soodalter, an author and member of the board of directors at the Abraham Lincoln Institute in Washington, D.C., said the photo depicts the reality of slavery.

"I think this picture shows that the institution of slavery didn't pick or choose," said Soodalter, who has written several books on historic and modern slavery. "This was a generic horror. It victimized the old, the young."

For now, Morgan said, he is keeping the photo in his personal collection, but he said he has had an inquiry to sell the photo to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. He said he is considering participating in the creation of a video documentary about John.

"This kid was abused and mistreated and people forgot about him," Morgan said. "He doesn't even exist in history. And to know that there were a million children who were like him. I've never seen another photo like that that speaks so much for children."


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yeah it is and it's most disturbing to see the haunting images of years gone by.. especially through or in the eyes of a child ....
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 2:57PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
It is history--and now these two young boys, whose names we will never know, will come into the consciousness of generations long into the future.

Their faces will be in books. They have forced us to think about the lives they led and the brutality they faced.

We owe it to them and the millions of unknown slaves to honor their history and their struggle for dignity.


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 3:04PM
Richard Kigel
Yes Richard you are right... I know it was a facet in life.... but It's overwhelming to see.... and know he was sold/purchased/seperated from his family.... the look of dispair on their faces...
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 3:16PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
That is where the great strength comes from in the African-American people.


Their bodies, their labor and their freedom may have been taken from them--but their minds, hearts and their spirit remained free.

That is one theme that hits you again and again as your read some of the thousands of suriviing slave narratives. Each enslaves individual had his or her own unique voice and awareness and each of them, in his own way, struggled to maintain their dignity.






Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 3:26PM
Richard Kigel
Thank you so much for this post Brother Cow!
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 3:57PM
Siebra Muhammad
Thanks, Siebra!

I love this stuff. It shows that there really is a fascinating and very human story to tell about a part of history that has been long neglected. Those who lived through it have been kept silent long enough!!!


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 4:15PM
Richard Kigel
Rich you know I love you, and probably on this site you and I are closest in age, culture, and could probably get along with you the best of any site member, anywhere in the World.

I love your posts, they are scholarship and history and NO one can claim that you do not try to put great Positvity to each Blog.

I am just not an admirer of slavery Posts--as happy, flowers and spirit.

Those two boys did NOT own their bodies, their labor WAS their life and they were Free as any cow or chicken--they were taxable stock, inheritable stock...........

Those two boys did not know what a mind, heart or spirit was---cause the paganChristians that owned them told them they had NO mind, NO heart.

Those two boys did not know what dignity was---THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE DIGNIFIED as best as life could give.

Those two boys were probably brothers that at the end of this PHOTO SHOOT one would be sold to their sisters rapist so one could be united with his nephew.

The Great strength of America in 2010 comes from President Baraka Hussein Obama

He of His African Family and His American Develpment.


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 4:16PM
robert powell
Robert.... simply Beautiful.... I like it when you show your sensitive side.....

you say this: Those two boys did not know what a mind, heart or spirit was---cause the paganChristians that owned them told them they had NO mind, NO heart.

I think they may not have understood... why.... BUT I have to believe they had a heart and mindset of knowing this is wrong... no one should be treated so inhumanly! It's just sad... for me....
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 4:24PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
An amazing and rare find. "Flawless memory."
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 4:37PM
MIISRAEL Bride
Robert--

Thank you so much for your kind words. And I do appreciate the fact that we do have a lot in common.

But I have to respectfully disagree with you on your point.

"Those two boys did not know what a mind, heart or spirit was---cause the paganChristians that owned them told them they had NO mind, NO heart.
Those two boys did not know what dignity was."

If you read the nearly three thousand reports and narratives written by former slaves the one thing that jumps out as plain as day is how intelligent, observant, and fully conscious of their situation all of them were.

And despite the brutality and inhuman degradation, their daily struggle was to find ways to maintain their dignity. And they succeeded in small ways and large ways.

That is why I am so fascinated by their stories and why I believe they need to be told.

That is why I shared a series about Harriet Jacobs, a woman who hid in her grandmother's secret attic for seven years while scheming to arrange to have her children gain their freedom and trick her master into traveling far and wide to track her down when all the time she was in the neighborhood.

She is one of the greatest examples of a slave woman who displayed fierce intelligence, determination and cunning to maintain her dignity and finally win her freedom.

I shared the story of Henry "Box" Brown whose used his cunning, determination and intelligence to earn his freedom--maintaining his personal dignity every step of the way.

There was the poet Phillis Wheatley who always maintained her dignity as a woman and was able to utilize the gifts of genius God gave her.

My fictional characters from ON THE WINGS OF THE WIND (I hope you have been following it because it is a great story!) are based on actual slaves who really lived and reported their experiences. In my fictional piece the characters all maintain their dignity as human beings despite their cruel treatment.

This idea that the slaves were not intelligent and not dignified and did not value themselves and each other as human beings is just not born out by the historical record.

When you say: "I am just not an admirer of slavery Posts--as happy, flowers and spirit." I see your point. That history is still hard to take for some folks, black and white.

Just to be clear--slaves were not happy in the least. Why would they be happy?

But...they still found ways to be fully human. That is one quality no brutal slave master could take away.

And they most definitely were filled with a strength of spirit that, in some cases, led them to find daring ways to gain their own freedom.

I just found a story that I will be posting her shortly about the first woman professional baseball player--the female Jackie Robinson. She played in the old Negro Leagues in the 1950's and is still alive today.

She faced Jiom Crow racism--they would not let her play on the white women's professional teams. But, to hear her tell it, that was the best thing that ever happened to her. She spoke about her own joy and satisfaction in playing with the men. Playing baseball made her happy.

She maintained her dignity--and her curveball. She went 33-8 in two seasons before the League finally folded.

She is an example of what I love and admire so much about the AFrican-American heritage. There is no quit in them. They strive to keep on keeping on. They keep on fighting for their own dignity and worth as human beings. I don't have to tell you that in black history they call it "The Struggle".

Well, to fight the good fight and never give up and win in the end--if that isn't maintaining human dignity I don't know what is!!!

In my opinion, it is a history to be immensely proud of. It is a history that deserves our highest respect and honor.

Their stories need to be told!!!





Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 4:50PM
Richard Kigel
Richard so true ((That history is still hard to take for some folks, black and white. )) It's very hard... to imagine the treatment... I mean slaves were treated less than a dog...

Ain't I A Woman... one of the most powerful speeches told by Harriett Tubman... and the extraordinary life this woman led...

There are lots of online narratives from slaves that I WILL listenn to from time to time... sometimes it overwhelms me... the determination ... the endurance... the shame ... the unimaginable.... yet they maintained so much dignity... and then to know that slave owners "feared" this resiliance is just heartbreaking..... Indeed we owe it to them to share their history... their stories.... but to hear it and actually face it dead on... with pictures.. and oral narratives is just sometimes too much!!

For me a very proud... strong black woman.... to know some of my past history and see where I've come from... and to not know of my enslaved ancestors gives me a certain degree of pride... because I know that this strength and pride that was passed on to me... came from a people who maintained their "strength and spirit" and passed it on from generation to generation.

Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 5:42PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Happy Birthday!!!
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 6:03PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM!!!
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 6:37PM
Siebra Muhammad
Irma--I didn't know...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

And I hope you have 68 more years of happy, healthy, proserpous living keeping us honest!!!


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 7:15PM
Richard Kigel
Dr. ARtis:

Thank you for that heartfelt, passionate testimony about the meaning of your heritage to you.

Clearly, it means something far different to you than it does to me. For you, it is family. It is personal. You feel deeply about it.

I feel deeply passionate about it as well--but I don't have the personal family heritage behind it. But I can see how people who are important to me, who I care about feel deeply about it--so it matters to me too.

And I agree with you--we owe it to THEM to bring their stories out, to let their voices be heard any way we can.

Is anyone here willing to say to the the ghosts of their ancestors that they do not want to hear of their experiences because it is too hard to take?

Imagine--if it is hard to read and listen to, how much harder would it be to experience!!!

And yet, I find that African-Americans are the most forgiving people on earth.

Almost to a man, those slaves who made it to freedom wanted to look forward and not back. Beleive it or not, many of them did not hate their former masters.

Years after he became a free man and a famous speaker and writer, Frederick Douglass stood at the bedside of his former master as he lay dying and cried with him in a gesture of human sympathy.

The African-American legacy here in this country is one of struggle, survival--and as you so eloquently put it, "determination, endurance, the will to keep going--and you are so right. Throughout what Harriet Tubman called "the next thing to hell", they "maintained so much dignity."

They struggled to keep their families together. They taught themselves to read.

At least one runaway slave wrote a novel. Many, many, many wrote their narratives--and some, like Harriet Jacobs and Frederick Douglass, possesed the literary skills to write masterworks of literature.

In my opinion, it is a history and heritage to be proud of. It is so heroic.





Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 7:31PM
Richard Kigel
Thank you, Clark.

Toni MOrrison dedicated her novel BELOVED to "Sixty Million and More", the unknwon, unknowable, every day slaves who were born, worked, lived, were beaten, brutalized and dehumanized--and died.

But...we do have the benefit of some of their voices.

The largest, most extensive effort to record the stories of those who experienced slavery took place during the Great Depression. Between 1936 and 1938, the Federal Writer’s Project working for the Works Progress Administration (WPA) sent out hundreds of interviewers seeking out aging former slaves. Their purpose was to ask questions, get them talking, listen to their stories and record their recollections. It was one of the most extraordinary and valuable research projects ever attempted.


All together the Federal Writer’s Project collected interviews with 2,194 former slaves. For many years, this wealth of information, what historians call “primary source material” was buried and ignored, lost in the bowels of the Rare Book Division of the Library of Congress.


Finally, in 1972, the entire collection of Federal Writer’s Project
interviews, The American Slave: A Collective Autobiography was published in 19 volumes. It is now available to anyone online.


Born in Slavery: Slave Narratives from the Federal Writers' Project, 1936-1938. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhome.html


“No group of slaves anywhere, at any other period in history, has left such a large repository of testimony about the horror of becoming the legal property of another human being,” wrote Henry Louis Gates.

Check it out!!!!



Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 7:37PM
Richard Kigel
Beautiful, Irma.

I LOVE YOU!!!!


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 8:31PM
Richard Kigel
Clark--You would love it.

Each old timer and former slave, is treated with dignity and respect for what they have gone through. The amazing thing about it is that it even exists. They were able to collect those thousands of stories because they cared--it was a conscious, concerted effort to record their voices--and some of the interviews were actually recorded on primitive recording devices--and preserve their stories for history before they passed away.

I think it was an effort that was unprecedented in history!!!


Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 9:40PM
Richard Kigel
Wow! Happy Birthday Irma Girl!
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 10:46PM
MIISRAEL Bride
Rich.

A great big thank-you for the interviews link and...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY IRMA!!!

And to all my other friends: It's good to be back!
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 10:57PM
Steve Williams
Welcome back Steve
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 10:58PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Back in PA now. One of these days Irma I am bound to see you in person.
Sunday, June 13th 2010 at 11:26PM
Steve Williams
On topic now, this picture, the expression on the boys face, it crushes one's heart to see his. I have seen this same crushing expression in the here and now. Among 6 billions of humanity, how many crushed hearts still? Is there hope for the HUMAN race? Can we each lift another out of despair? Or will we continue as a race, a UNIFIED race, to crush the innocents?
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 12:40AM
Steve Williams
I hope I haven't missed out on my autographed copy.
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 2:21AM
Steve Williams
And Irma, that's what I was trying to say, we have WORK to do. Now.
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 2:24AM
Steve Williams
Rich, again I love you and;

OH------ another birthdate for Irma---

thanks Clark,

Rich, you say, "how intelligent, observant, and fully conscious of their situation all of them were."

yes, they were conscious that everything in the Earth, America, Europe and the god of paganEuropean Christians had designated them taxable livestock......

yourThought is why I never had any Liberal Democratic Leanings, so unRealistic a Thought and so accomodating.

All Americans n/south benefited from DeNigration of the Family of Adaam.

The only winner out of Slavery was paganEuropean Christianity---

they got some of the precious Sons and Daughters of Adaam to believe that a newAdaam came in their3inOne god, jesus--

and that this jesus had designated them CURSED, in this life and next...........

The twisted Slavery was only;

twisted MonotheisticThought out of paganEurope;

equalizing The Creator with Evil........

How False and Demonic that thought was, it was and is not happy, flowers, spirit, dignity, mind etc.

Monday, June 14th 2010 at 8:55AM
robert powell
Robert:

You are exactly right.

As a system it was pure evil. But in the end, there were no winners. The existence of slavery and the war to end it destroyed more Amreican lives than all our other wars put together.

In his Second Unaugural Address, Lincoln summed up the tragedy of the war.

He knew it was Gods will--and he knew that the devastation of the war was God's punishment for slavery.

"Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh," Lincoln said, quoting from Matthew 18:7.

"The will of God prevails," he wrote in his notes to prepare for his speech. "In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be wrong. God cannot be for, and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is somewhat different from the purpose of either party — and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect this."

In his speech, he acknowledged for the first time publicly that the cause of the war was slavery.

"One-eighth of the whole population were slaves," he said, "not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war."

But Lincoln knew that God's judgement will take its course. If the war was payback to America for the brutal treatment of slaves, rivers of blood iwill flow for the sin of slavery.

"Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continues. . . until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid another drawn with the sword . . . so still it must be said that the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

Frederick Douglass was in the crowd and witnessed Lincoln's speech.

Later, he wrote about his experience and his meeting with Lincoln.

Frederick Douglass wrote:

"For the first time in my life, and I suppose the first time in any colored man's life, I attended the reception of President Lincoln on the evening of the inauguration. As I approached the door, I was seized by two policemen and forbidden to enter. I said to them that they were mistaken entirely in what they were doing, that if Mr. Lincoln knew that I was at the door he would order my admission, and I bolted in by them. On the inside, I was taken charge of by two other policemen, to be conducted as I supposed to the President, but instead of that they were conducting me out the window on a plank.

'Oh,' said I, 'this will not do, gentlemen,' and as a gentleman was passing in I said to him, 'Just say to Mr. Lincoln that Fred. Douglass is at the door.'

"He rushed in to President Lincoln, and almost in less than half a minute I was invited into the East Room of the White House. A perfect sea of beauty and elegance, too, it was. The ladies were in very fine attire, and Mrs. Lincoln was standing there.

"I could not have been more than ten feet from him when Mr. Lincoln saw me; his countenance lighted up, and he said in a voice which was heard all around; 'Here comes my friend Douglass.'

"As I approached him he reached out his hand, gave me a cordial shake, and said: 'Douglass, I saw you in the crowd today listening to my inaugural address. There is no man's opinion that I value more than yours; what do you think of it?'

"I said: 'Mr. Lincoln, I cannot stop here to talk with you, as there are thousands waiting to shake you by the hand'; but he said again: 'What did you think of it?'

"I said: 'Mr. Lincoln, it was a sacred effort,' and then I walked off. 'I am glad you liked it,' he said. That was the last time I saw him to speak with him."







Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:24AM
Richard Kigel
Rich,

Oh, you are the professor and I like context and comprehension as important communication tools in understanding.

are you saying that Lincoln or Christianity felt that the Civil War was a payment to The Creator for the 1492-1864 Evil upon the African and Native nonChristians?


Monday, June 14th 2010 at 8:38PM
robert powell
Robert--

That is exactly what LIncoln said in his Second Inauguration speech. You can read the words yourself.

"Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away," Lincolnd said. "Yet if God wills that it continues. . . until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid another drawn with the sword . . . so still it must be said that the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

EVERY DROP OF BLOOD DRAWN WITH THE LASH SHALL BE PAID WITH ANOTHER DRAWN WITH THE SWORD..."

And that is how Frederick Douglass understood it wheln he told Lincoln immediately after the speech, "Mr. Lincoln, it was a sacred effort."



Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:17PM
Richard Kigel
Let's not forget Lincoln began his political career fighting the Sac and Fox Native Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Linco...
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:19PM
Steve Williams
Hey Steve:

Good to see you!

Now, if you read my book on LIncoln: MY CHILDHOODS HOME, you will see two chapters devoted to the Black Hawk war. And you will see that lIncoln never did any actual fighting. He never even saw the enemy. All they did was march.

And...Lincoln would up getting arrested and thrown in the brig overnight for discharging his firearm too close to the camp.

It was a slapstick comedy!!!




Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:24PM
Richard Kigel
oh wow.... Robert... Steve.... Richard.... I feel like I am in an African literature Class on line.... Beautiful.....

Steve asked a good question and I also recall Robert making a comment regarding... Race
_______________________The Subject of our Beloved President's Speed... "And We Hold These Truths To Be Self Evident

Is there hope for the HUMAN race? Can we each lift another out of despair? Or will we continue as a race, a UNIFIED race, to crush the innocents?

______________________ Lets talk ... where's Clark ____________
Steve I do believe it's hope for the human race.... The question I alsways ask is Will I live long enough to see it.... Society has put such a bad taste in everyone's mind... The Jewish, Native, Vietmanese, African, Cubans, Hispanics, Pacific Islanders... I can keep going on.... It's to the point of who do you trust... Race Baiting...

It's like the Egyptians in the wilderness for 40 years.... they were there so long... because of the older people... stuck in their ways... idol worshipers... etc... It wasn't until the newer younger generation would go to the promised land to learn new customs... a new way of living.

Every single race has some degree of Racisim... BUT it's not going to erase as long as the old mind set is in placy.... We saw that during the Elections... College students... with really no degree or straints of biggotry and racisms are the ones who voted for Obama... young adults from all ethnic backgrounds.....
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:47PM
Cynthia Merrill Artis
Hey Dr. ARtis:

Beautifully said.

It seems to me that tribalism and rigid group identification will always be with us. All we can do is, as Lady Irma says: EDUCATE!!! EDUCATE!!! EDUCATE!!!




Monday, June 14th 2010 at 9:53PM
Richard Kigel
Cynthia, things are changing yes, I see it in my sons and their wives, girlfriends, friends.
Monday, June 14th 2010 at 11:51PM
Steve Williams
Rich, on the Blackhawk War and other phases of the near extinction of the Native Americans, Allan W. Eckert has written a series of very thoroughly researched historical novels. Now tell me who the other two Presidents-to-be fought in that war. There is no doubt that all three were motivated by political gain. Don't worry, I can't remember off the top of my head anyway.
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 12:01AM
Steve Williams
But for the Sacs and Foxes, it was quite tragic.
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 12:03AM
Steve Williams
Hi Steve:

Thanks for your insight into the Sac and Fox WAr. The treatment of native Americans has been abysmal.

One otherfuture President who served in that war was General Zachary Taylor. There was one comic scene where he had to visit a camp of volunteers personally because they were about to mutinee and desert and go home. They were farmers and frontiersmen who wanted to get on with their lives. They didn't see any point to the war and they were n't doing any fighting anyway.

In that inciedent, General Taylor called the officers together for a coucnil. Should they say and fight or go home? They talked it over. Then it came up for a vote. it turns out, it was an exact tie.

General Taylor was so exasperated that he sent them all home.

The whole thing was another sorry episode in American history.




Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 8:09AM
Richard Kigel
Professor, Author Emeritus rich,

Now don't get me wrong, I have never owned or will buy any automobile other than a Lincoln and My Family became Republicans only because Lincoln "freed" the slaves, "from the lash with Americas blood".

so can I debateably say, "The only winner out of americanSlavery was paganEuropean Christianity---"

they got the african and the native, the precious Sons and Daughters of Adaam to believe there were different Tribes and Clans of Adaam and the european clan/tribe could do whatever they wanted-----------------------

and that their European 3inOne god, jesus--seemed to represent TriTheistic Thought;
not the Monotheistic Thought of The Creator of Adaam, the Flooder of Noah , the Law Giver to Moses, the Demander of Abraham, and the Mercy to Mohamed(asma)

twisted TritheisticThought out of paganEurope; seems to have given 1492 europeanChristians the Manifest Destiny that their blood shed would 'free' the "other", cursed tribes of adaam.



Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 8:21AM
robert powell
Hi Robert:

"The only winner out of americanSlavery was paganEuropean Christianity---"

This is a complex issue that defies easy or simple analysis.

On one hand, if you change your formulation around to who benefitted from slavery--clearly there is no debate. Your statement is absolutely correct.

But here is where the ambiguity comes in.

The anti-slavery movement in the country, the URR and the abolitionists who pushed for an end to salvery because it was immoral and un Christian was largely a Christian movement itself.

Some of the leaders, like Levi Coffin, a Quaker, were firmly committed to the truth that all humans are children of God and all deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. They put their lives and livelihoods on the line to insure that the system of chattel slavery was ended--and all in the name of Christ.

So, you have a great point--but it's not the whole story.





Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 8:41AM
Richard Kigel
Rich, the third was Jefferson Davis.
http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/blackhawk/page2...
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 9:25AM
Steve Williams
Steve:

How ironic!!!

When it comes to history, you are the Ph. D!!!!!


Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 9:32AM
Richard Kigel
Rich, you are very generous, but the history of the Indian wars is a particular interest of mine, and again I will recommend Mr. Eckert's books for highly factual information. He includes a great deal of original correspondence.
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 9:54AM
Steve Williams
Thanks, Steve!!!

Dr. Steve!!!


Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 10:09AM
Richard Kigel
I saw the photo in an e-mail. It was sad. The photo of the boys...the cruelty they endured ...just horrible.
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 10:32AM
Marsha Jones
Right, Marsha:

That is why it is so crucial to study and examine primary source material so we never forget what happened.

These boys could have been characters in my novel. My main character was 12 and his companion was about seven.

As Toni Morrison pointed out, one reason she wrote BELOVED was to show that the slaves had interior lives--they weren't blank slates. They were thhinking feeling human beings.

I think that humanity comes out in the expressions of those boys.




Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 11:03AM
Richard Kigel
You are both right. Can't get their faces out of my mind.
Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 11:25AM
Marsha Jones
Haunting, isn't it.

That is why I wanted to use an authentic photo of a slave family for the cover of my book.

By the way, Marsha--have you checked out any of it here? I've been sharing portions of my novel in my blog. I hope you do. Since I have read and enjoyed so much of your writing I would love to give you the opporunity to appreciate mine!!

Tuesday, June 15th 2010 at 11:42AM
Richard Kigel
You should have told me that you were doing that earlier...now I'm going to go back through your blogs and look. The girls are out of school and I have MUCH MORE time on my hands. Thanks for telling me. (wink)
Wednesday, June 16th 2010 at 10:13PM
Marsha Jones
Thank you all...and, remembeer what Alex Haley told our class...always begin with the oldest person in the family and your family bible...this is because we are an oral people...a lot has been lost and a lot taught out of us...but enough remains that we who care about and want to keep our culture alive are not anti-christ nor anti-America...

I believe one of the most surprising things I learned about our history taht we brought from Africa was about the many rituals we have in teh south relating to the chicken especially the rooster...AMREICA YOU CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST IS ANOTHER THING ONE CAN NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND IF WE DO NOT KNOW ANY THING ABOUT OUR OWN SELVES( it is easier to get us to turn against each other and keep us brainedwashed that we are anti-christ, anti-america...

but, please remember this...t

eh next time you see a black female putting taht hand on her hip and pointing taht finger...we brought this from Africa...

teh hip is letting the devil in and the finger pointing is leting the devil out and notice who the finger is pointed at. loooooooooooooooooooooool..oh one more thing "I" learned we brought from Africa is when our parents get angry with us, they call us by our first middle and last names and all of those names in between...

just a few of our ties to Africa taht we see almost all of our lives...learn our history as it is good for us all. (smile)


OH THE WOMEN WITH THE HANDS ON TEH HIPS TODAY ARE CALLED DEVAS AND DRAMA QUEENS. LOL... BUT IT IS STIL THERE WITH US AFTER ALL OF THESE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS TRYING TO GET IT OUT OF US...BE PROUD...

lov ya...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ROBERT, THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT THESE CHILDREN OF CENTURYS AGO AS COMPARED TO THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTERS CONTROL (OR LACK THERE OF) IS AN ABOSULUTE SHAME BEFORE AHHAH, GOD AND ANY CREATOR YOU CAN THINK OF THAT PUT A BRIAN IN MAN, BEAST AND FISH, BIRDS, THE INSTICT TO SURVIVE...

IT IS IMMORAL...ACCORDING TO THESE MALE YOUTH YOUR FEMALE CHILDREN ONLY COME UNDER A DIFFERENT TIME AND A DIFFERENT CONTROLER OF MIND AND BODY. (SMILE)

SUPRE EGO IS SUPREREEGO NO MATTER HOW IT IS PRESENTED...IN LOGIC TAHT IS...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
tHANKS dOC..."I" know by now you all know my "N UP" came in for a few moments as I am just timed of these worn out excuses to prevent us to be more...

EDUCATED!!!!!EDUCATED!!!eDUCATE!!

iT IS TIME TO GIVE THE gOD WE WORSHIP A HAND IN BRINGING PEACE ON EARTH GOOD WILL TOWARDS MANKIND...(SMILE)

JUST BLAME IT ON MY BEING TOO OLD AS THOSE LIKE ROBERT DO. LOL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
tHANK YOU ALL...and, if this blog does one thing, I hope you all will try to understand that this is what "I" keep trying to get through to you, that our Black In America history departments is about teaching us about our TURE AND ACTUAL HISTORY A HISTORY OF HOW E-V-E-R-Y DAY PEOPLE WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE CHATTEL SLAVES WERE...

THIS IS WHY IT IS CALLED AFRICAN-CENTURED HISTORY AND NOT EUROPEAN CENTERED...

HOW THE SLAVES HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF HEKP FROM TOSE CHARGED WITH KEEPING THEM I SLAVERY..WHO IT WAS AND BY NAME WHO TAUGHT THESE PEOPLE OW TO READ AND TO WRITE ENGLISH AND WHY?!? ...

OUR HISTORY IS SO TIED INTO THE NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY ONE WOULD BE TOTALLY SURPRISED...BUT AGAIN WE DON'T GET THIS UNTIL NOW...

AND, I REPEAT UNTIL WE TAKE PRIDE IN HOW WE SURVIVED SLAVEEERY THEN THERE IS NO WAY TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO MOVE ON BEYOND WHAT WE CAN NOT DO AND ON TO WHAT WE CAN DO...

PLEASE ANSWER THIS NOT FO RME BUT FOR YOUR OWN SELVES...

WHY WAS ALL OF TIS INFORMATION HELD IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FOR CENTURYS...

WHY THIS EFFORTS TO GET IT PUT BACK INTO HIDING AND OUT OF OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM...ME, INCAES YOU HAVE NOT NOTICED THIS I AM ALWAYS GIVING PRAISE TO THE BLACK PANTHERS FOR THIS BECAUSE "I" LIKE OUR FIRST LADY KNOW TIS IS UNTRUE BUT IT DOES KEEP US DEVIDED NOW DON'T IT...THE FIRST LADY MINOR WAS bia...NOT CNN...

JUST REMEMBER TOSE WORDS OF WE DANCE TO A DIFFERENT DRUMMER...

I LOVE YOU ALL AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS BLOG RICH, IT HAS SAID WHAT I HAVE BEEEN TRYING TO SAY HERE FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
robert, not only is there still sLAvery right here in America and people going to prison on a regular bases...

but until my race can look not slavery, but its true name CHATTEL SLAVERY AND REALIZE THAT IT IS ONLY BY OWNING WE WERE HELD AS PROPLERY SO THAT WE CAN STOP TURNING AGAINST OUR OWN FOR SPEAKING THIS TRUTH THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE PRIDE IN OUR SURVIVAL...

AND UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS THEN WE WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS SELF DISTRUCTIVE BEHAVIORS OF BLAMING THE "MAN"...

UNTIL WE LEARN THAT WE OUR SELVES IN AFRICA WERE THE ONES WHO HAD S-L-A-V-E-S As ALREADY "SLAVES" READY and waiting ON THOSE SHORES TO BE PICKED UP TOBECOME CHATTEL SLAVES IN THE NEW WORLD...SLAVERY WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA LONG BEFORE NORTH AMERICA WAS...and, to be brought right here in America by black people as well as White...!!!!!!!

"I" REPEAT, WE ARE THE ONES LEADING THIS RACIST PARADE AGAINST THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, BECAUSE AT LEAST THE CHATTEL SLAVES WERE UNITED IN ONE GOAL...FREEDOM , U-N-I-T-Y AND PEACE AND HAPPINESS AND NOT POINTING THE FINGERS AND BLAME...and, much like the youth in the 60s were too busy working hard from sun up to sun down to be out there on teh streets selling drugs...or so grateful to walk miles and miles to school to be riding while planning a drive by with those guns....

WAKE UP AND PUT THIS BLMAE WHERE IT BELONGS ON US!!!!...

WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF OUR SELVES..."I" AM...(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
..Oops my brother Cow, please don't tell anyone what I just told you...

you see one of our most powerful weapons is we are thought to be DUMB...something the slaves called "Dumbing Down"...much like Moses in your ON THE WINGS OF THE WIND, when he did not want to do something. looool (smile)

lov the book...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Brother Rich, never ever undermestimate the black think tank..if they can trace back to who paid for the first slaves brought to the stopping off point and into America, they can do this...Rich, you should really get to know Dr Minister Lawery...where does Dr.Gates fit in with him, you would be very , very suprised. (smile)

But, "I" lnow just how honestly you are interested in our history...so here is a lead. lol ..lov ya...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...and, look at it this way my B-I-A family..."I" turned 68 years old yesterday...it is long past my time to retire from trying to help get our history out there before CNN distroys it or Ar..Tx...BAN IT...(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
"i" will repeat, it is a shame that those like the Teaparty, those in teh states of Arizona and those who determine what goes in our public education text books have gone fast forward inpreventing this kinds of information out into the public at large!!!!!!!...(smile)

THIS IS CALLED UNEDITED BIA THAT YOU WILL ONLY FIND IN OUR ETHNIC STUDY DEPATEMENTS OF ALL ETHNIC GROUPS LEARNING THEIR T-R-U-E HISTORY...and not on C-N-N!!!!! (S-M-I-L-E)

WHAT NEXT OUR YOUTH LEARNING ALL OF THESE THINGS LIKE THIS OUT VOTING FOR D-H-A-N-G-E....A-M-E-R-I-C-A....EDUCATION DOES NOT BRING IN MONEY LKE WAR...

PLEASE HELP STOP THE BRAIN WASING AND READ MORE OF THE OWRKS OF MIISRAEL, MOZELL AND RICH AND THOSE BLOGS OF GADDYS AND GEORGE AND GREG'S....(S-M-I-L-E)...

AND IF THEY ARE NOT IN YOUR LOCAL BOOK STORE...DEMAND THEY BE PUT THERE ALSO IN YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY...THAT IS IF YOU ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT LEARNING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS...

NOW "I" WILL GET OF OF MY SOAP BOX...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
robert, thanks for wishing me a happy birthday...I love you also and I so realize that at our age, we are both 'set in our own ways"...UNDERSTANDING OUR DIFFERENCES AS YOU AND I DO IS CALLED ' R-E-S-P-E-C-T. LOV YA...

(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Hi Steve, missed ya much ...are you still in Ca. ??? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Cynthia, because it is my bleief that EDUCATION over BRAINWASHING is what is going to save mankind, I will even thorw this one in for Steve...

The King of England need lands cleared for more settlements in the Colonys and the quicker the Indians were killed off the better for all...The person who was so "expert" at this slaughter until he was made the leader of the American Revolution and our very first American President.

EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!

LETS S FIRST STOP SAYING THIS WAS / I-S DONE WITH THE BACKINGS OF THE cREATOR...

SO THAT WE CAN GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF PEACE ON EARTH, GOOD WILL TOWARDS MANKIND. (S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
cYNTHIA, ACTUALLY YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION JUST BY ASKING IT...the one about would you live long eough when you used the word ETHNIC...

YOU SEE THESE YOUTH HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THEIR PROUD, POWERFUL HERITAGE...LIKE THOSE GREAT, GREAT, GREAT GRANDS IN THESE PICTURES AND WHAT THEY HAD TO SUFFER SO THAT THESE YOUTH COULD HAVE A BETTER FUTURE THEREFORE WHAT IS BEIN G SEEN IN THESE YOUNGE PEOPLE IS PAY BACK TO THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE THEM...THESE YOUTH ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THAT BETTER FUTURE LIKE THOSE IN THIS PICTURE...SO TAHT THEY DID NOT DIE IN VAIN...

WHICH IN TURN THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN...

"IT IS PRIDE IN WHO YOU ARE THAT GIVES ONE THE POWERS TO KNOW IT ALL STARTS FROM WITHIN, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT TIME TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN...." TIME WAITS FOR NO MAN"...

"I" WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND GET SOME ONE TO BELIEVE THEY ARE THE LEADER THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR...(SMILE)..OR IF WE CHOSE NOT TO START WHIT ONE, THEN ALL WE HAVE IS A BIG FAT ZERO...LOL
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Yes one day we are going tohave taht BIA family reunion and rich can get that home made butter pecan icecream and I can get a decent home made sweet potaote pie...keep the faite...

oh and while you were gone there may be a chance we all with get to go to meet the First lady at the White house...keep the faith. Now if only Jen and Siebra will get their books to the White house like everyone else who are writers in our little family.lol (smile)

HINT, HINT, HINT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Here Irma goes again...

remember when we were young and we believed that where we live was the only place that was the best place to be...well if being a slave was what you did ever day this would be normal...

some slaves just like people of today are happy with a mate who beats them on a regular basis, they call this love...say they deserved the beatings because it was their fault...we can even throw in it is God's will...

we have got to realize taht some of these people believed the harder they worked, th e more they suffered the better their reward was to be in the after life...just like some do today...

WE MUST REMEMBER THESE WERE LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BEINGS LIVING IN THEIR TIME BY THE RULES OF THEIR TIMES...STOP THE BRAINWASHINGS AND ALLOW THESE PEOPLE THE DIGNETY THEY DESERVED, WE ARE TREATING THEM LIKE THEY WERE PROPERTY!!!!!and, with any self love or self-esteem, or will powers...wwe offer computers more credit tahn this...

THESE WERE NORMAL FUNCTIONING HUMAN BEINGS...SOME WANTED FREEDOM AND SOME DID NOT...LIKE THE ABUSED WIFE, CHILD, HUSBAND WHEN ASKED WHY DO YOU STAY...THE ANSWER IS WHERE WILL I GO?!?

WAKE UP...THESE PROUD PEOPLE WOULD BE ASHAMED OF HOW YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THEM...HELL WE STILL CAN'T GO AND LIVE WHERE WE WANT TO EVEN NOW...THEY HAD LESs TO FEAR THEN SOME OF US TODAY...YOU KNOW THOSE DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS...THE HOMELESS...THE Handicapped/ poor and down and out / MENTALY ILL THAT WE DON'T WANT SITTING NEXT TO US ON THE BUS...GOING TO OUR CHURCHES, ECT...

YEP, "N UP"...MY PEOPLE NEED NO PITY JUST MORE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT THEM FIRST HAND AND STOP THIS HEAR SAY...

EDUCATE!!!!EDUCATE!!EDUCATE!!!...

AND REMEMBER HOW H.T. SAID SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE MORE OF THE SLAVES IF SHE HAD BEEN ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM THEY WERE SLAVES!!!!

...and, honest "I" am really gond...age you know. looooooooooool (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ON THE WINGS OF THE WIND, by Richard Kigel...

www. synergebooks.com

(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
robert yes birthdays is what comes with living and really being alive and happy and so able and willing to share with otherrs while still being able to respect them for living long enough to experiences the ups and downs of life and still not caplain about any thing because they are trying to...

EDUCATE!!! EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!...about life being a PROCESS...

LIFE IS A BLESSING , SOMETHING ONE CAN ONLY EXPERIENCE "IN LIFE".

(S-M-I-L-E)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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