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This was a great debate between 2 pastors that fell, one who was ousted and the other who came out of the closet on his own and who have a difference of opinions when the theory of theology and the bible are concerned. Question? Are we the people not getting the bigger picture and missing something in the written word and oppresed in our thinking in regards to homos*xuality in the church or is the bible here for just this purpose, to cause people to sit down, study more and receive a better understanding of God's word? What do you think?
Posted By: anita moore
Friday, September 24th 2010 at 3:57PM
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I saw A/C 360 yesterday and it was a really good show. I don't agree with Pastor Haggard's take because I felt he was being sentimental probably because he found himself in that exact same situation as Long. I find it hypocritical that ministers like Haggard and Long can stand up and preach Hell Fire about homos*xuals, but when it was them they wanted people to exclude them and have mercy on them. Hypocrites!!! Aren't hypocrites what Jesus loathed (of the Pharisees and Sadducces in his day)? I belive Jesus still loathes hypocrites today which is why I so agree with Pastor Troy Sanders re: Hypocrisy...& Bishop Long isn't excluded.
To answer the question in the blog though I think that we have to see the Black church as a subset of the Black community. Having said that, homos*xuality is a taboo subject in our immediate community so its no surprise that parishners turn a blind eye and agree by saying amen to homophobic messages coming from across the pulpit since that's the path of least resistance.
I think Pastors should stick to talking about Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to convict the hearts of men of sin rather than preaching their own personal opinions and convictions. Christians are to love everyone regardless of race, gender, or religion and do our part by studying the bible for ourselves.
Friday, September 24th 2010 at 10:26PM
Jen Fad
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I use to go around visiting different churches every holiday. I selected this one church because of all the beautiful cars that were parked outside of it. During the services I noticed that there were more men there then women. There was a woman walking around saying " somebody please love me" over and over, she even got up on the pullpit walking around talking and was escorted off. I later found out that it was a homos*xual church. My opinion was that the reason why so many Black women are single is because Black men preferring to love the same s*x or outside of their race.
Saturday, September 25th 2010 at 12:15AM
Helen Lofton
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I don't agree with Tory or Haggard. They both are hypocrites. Haggard at least admitted what he did was wrong and asked for forgiveness. He said it was a sickness. repentance. (Forgive the sinner, hate the sin. Isn't that what everyone her is doing, hating the sinner and not his sin. It seems homos*xuality is being excepted in every facit of life today. Sanders on the other hand, came out the closet, founded a church where others like him could take certain scriptures out of the bible & twist them to apply to their own situation and given that well women statement that every denouncer uses. Homos*xuallity is a sin and thats all there is to it.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination Lev 18:22
If the allegations are true, we should all pray for Long, denounce his sin, but forgive the sinner. Thats not to say I would ever go to his church. I couldn't sit an listen to someone tell me something that he doesn't live and walk himself. Thats my problem with the churches and the reason I haven't found a church home also. DRAMA!
Saturday, September 25th 2010 at 9:57AM
anita moore
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Greater questions should be asked:
1. What is the message that we are giving to our children, when those who proselytize the word of a "God" and willing distort the truth in their lives while criticizing others for "evil" transgressions. Aren't they nothing more than a wolf in sheep clothing? They knowingly prey on and mentally destroy those who are weak and spiritually in need of help.
2. In their corruptive behavior they do not attempted to pray for help or persuade those whom they've corrupted to stop there "sinful" actions before it's to late. Once they've participated in perverted s*x, are they getting on their knees and asking for forgiveness?
3. If a parishioner has an accident and dies after a s*xual encounter, does the preacher feel he is exonerated by God for what he has done?
4. Do you think the preacher is seen as a false prophet or leader in the eyes of God?
The devil can disguise himself as anything...who better to transform into than a preacher..."You shall know them by their deeds".
Our people believed in Jim Jones the murderer, Catholic priest pedophiles and other megalomaniacs who use and abuse the innocent.
5. Why do we continue to protect those who break the law, is it just because "they claim" to be a servant of a "God"? Who is this God "they" serve?
4. Who will protect our people and in particular our children from those who profess to be Godly, while at the same time rob our spirits of its purity and rob our pockets from economic security?
These people don't believe in a "God". Never have and never will. Their sole motivation is money, greed, s*x and power!
Saturday, September 25th 2010 at 8:16PM
Dr. Okpara Nosakhere
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@ Brother Clark
[Haggard should still be on his knees -- on second thought, maybe not there --]
Haggard shouldn't get on his knees ever~~ Ha!! That's a good one. ((giving you some dap))
Monday, September 27th 2010 at 1:14PM
Jen Fad
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@ Sister Anita,
Lying, Defrauding other Christians, and the Love of money is also a sin; Having said that, What do you suggest a homos*xual man or lesbian woman do where church is concerned, because they also love God?
Monday, September 27th 2010 at 1:18PM
Jen Fad
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Sister Jen, that is the question of the day. Please go to part 2 of this blog an listen to another Pastor's opinion on this question? He is also Bishop Eddie Long's spiritual advisor. Huh?
Monday, September 27th 2010 at 2:15PM
anita moore
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...OH AND JEN, I AM SURE THOSE FEW PEOPLE TAHT HAGGARD SPOKE OF ARE HIS FOLLOWERS IN HIS NEW RELIGION'S CHURCH OR MAYBE NOW CHURCHES. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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HATE TO BRING IT UP, BUT WILL HE BE SUED BY AS MANY INDIVIDUALS AND FOR AS MANY YEARS NOW YEAR AFTER YEAR LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OR IS IT THAT BLACK CHURCH THINGS BAD AND AGAINST THE BIBLE THING ALL OVER AND OVER AGAIN?!? (NUP)
BUT IN REALITY THINGS LIKE THIS DONES NOT UPSET ME IN MY REAL LIFE JEN ...BECAUSE I SEE ALL OF THEM MEN AND WOMEN AS JUST THAT THAT HAS HAD A LABLE PUT ON THEM WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING THEY DON'T ACCEPT...
HUMAN BEHAVIOR IS SOMETHING NATURAL THAT COME AUTOMATICALL AT CONCEPTION...iAND LATER BUILT ON BY OUR ENVIORNMENTS "I" BELIEVE .(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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I DID SO LOVE WATCING THIS DEBATE...
BUT AS ALWAYS, I WAS SAD TO SEE MORE OF OUR NEEDS TO REJECT TRUTH ALONG WITH BEING RESPONSIABLE FOR OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEHAVIORS. (SMILE)
HAGGARD A PERSON WO HAS GONE OFF AND STARTED HIS OWN BRAND OF CHRISTIANITY OVER HIS PUBLIC DISGRACE...NOW HE SEEM TO BE ONLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR IS "BEING GAY(?!?) TO THE FEW WHO NOW ACCEPT HIM? DOES HE HAVE A NWE BIBLE OR HAS JUST CHANGED HIS MEANINS OF THE WORDS OF GOD SINCE HIS GETTING CAUGHT ON THE MALE , RENT BOY AND IS BUYING ILLEGALDRUGS ISSUE THAT CAUSE THIS PUBLIC SCANDAL FOR HAGGARD IN THE FIRST PLACE...?!?
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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ANITA, IF "I" MAY...PLEASE WHAT THE PROGRAM THAT "I" HAVE ON RIGHT NOW...CALLED ...
WHAT THE POPE KNEW@CNN. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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