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WHAT IF A PRESIDENT CUTS OUR TAXES AND NOBODY NOTICES? New York Times, October 18, 2010 (552 hits)

A TROUBLING SIGN FOR DEMOCRATS HEADING INTO THE ELECTION IS THE TAX CUTS THEY PASSED HAVE LARGELY GONE UNNOTICED. IN A RECENT POLL FEWER THAN 1 IN 10 KNEW THAT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAD LOWERED TAXES FOR MOST AMERICANS.

HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. — What if a president cut Americans’ income taxes by $116 billion and nobody noticed?

It is not a rhetorical question. At Pig Pickin’ and Politickin’, a barbecue-fed rally organized here last week by a Republican women’s club, a half-dozen guests were asked by a reporter what had happened to their taxes since President Obama took office.

“Federal and state have both gone up,” said Bob Paratore, 59, from nearby Charlotte, echoing the comments of others.

After further prodding — including a reminder that a provision of the stimulus bill had cut taxes for 95 percent of working families by changing withholding rates — Mr. Paratore’s memory was jogged.

“You’re right, you’re right,” he said. “I’ll be honest with you: it was so subtle that personally, I didn’t notice it.”

Few people apparently did.

In a troubling sign for Democrats as they head into the midterm elections, their signature tax cut of the past two years, which decreased income taxes by up to $400 a year for individuals and $800 for married couples, has gone largely unnoticed.

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll last month, fewer than one in 10 respondents knew that the Obama administration had lowered taxes for most Americans. Half of those polled said they thought that their taxes had stayed the same, a third thought that their taxes had gone up, and about a tenth said they did not know. As Thom Tillis, a Republican state representative, put it as the dinner wound down here, “This was the tax cut that fell in the woods — nobody heard it.”

Actually, the tax cut was, by design, hard to notice. Faced with evidence that people were more likely to save than spend the tax rebate checks they received during the Bush administration, the Obama administration decided to take a different tack: it arranged for less tax money to be withheld from people’s paychecks.

They reasoned that people would be more likely to spend a small, recurring extra bit of money that they might not even notice, and that the quicker the money was spent, the faster it would cycle through the economy.

Economists are still measuring how stimulative the tax cut was. But the hard-to-notice part has succeeded wildly. In a recent interview, President Obama said that structuring the tax cuts so that a little more money showed up regularly in people’s paychecks “was the right thing to do economically, but politically it meant that nobody knew that they were getting a tax cut.”

“And in fact what ended up happening was six months into it, or nine months into it,” the president said, “people had thought we had raised their taxes instead of cutting their taxes.”

There are plenty of explanations as to why many taxpayers did not feel richer when the cuts kicked in, giving typical families an extra $65 a month. Some people were making less money to begin with, as businesses cut back. Others saw their take-home pay shrink as the amounts deducted for health insurance rose.

And taxpayers in more than 30 states saw their state taxes rise, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

That is what happened here in North Carolina. The Treasury Department estimated that the federal tax cut would put $1.7 billion back in the hands of North Carolina taxpayers this year. Last year, though, North Carolina, facing a large budget shortfall, raised a variety of state taxes by roughly a billion dollars.

“It was a wash,” said Mr. Tillis, the state representative.

The guests at the Pig Pickin’ rally here could rattle off the names of the House speaker and the Senate majority leader with ease, if with disdain, and were up on many of the political controversies of the day. They studied the campaign fliers at their tables, and pocketed the 1.5-ounce jars of strawberry preserves with special labels urging them to vote for Judge Bill Constangy for Superior Court (“Preserving Justice,” the labels read).

Many volunteered that they thought the Bush tax cuts should be extended for all taxpayers, even for the wealthy ones whom Mr. Obama would like to exclude. But few had heard that there had also been Obama tax cuts — which will also expire next year unless extended, but have generated far less public debate.

Bob Deaton, 73, who wore a “Fair Tax” baseball cap, was surprised to hear that there were tax cuts in the $787 billion stimulus bill, which was wildly unpopular with many at the rally even though roughly a third of it was in the form of tax cuts.

“Tax cuts?” he asked. “Where were the tax cuts?”

Ron Julian, 50, a Huntersville town commissioner, said he thought his taxes had gone up under Mr. Obama. And Mr. Paratore, a former Hearst executive, said he might have noticed the tax cuts if his paycheck had jumped more in the weeks before he retired last year: “I couldn’t even tell you what it was, to be honest with you.”

The Obama administration wants to extend the little-noticed tax cut next year. Jason Furman, the deputy director of the National Economic Council, said the administration still believes that changing the withholdings was a more effective form of stimulus than sending out rebate checks would have been.

“In retrospect, we think that judgment was right,” he said. “It’s harder to predict what’s good for politics. Ultimately, the best thing for politics is going to be helping the economy.”

But at least one prominent economist is questioning whether the method really was more effective. Joel B. Slemrod, a professor of economics at the University of Michigan, analyzed consumer surveys after the last rebate checks were sent out in 2008 by the Bush administration, and after this tax cut, called Making Work Pay, went into effect under the Obama administration.

After the 2008 rebates, he found that about a quarter of the households surveyed said they would use the money primarily to increase their spending. After the Obama tax cut took effect, he said, only 13 percent said they would use the money primarily to increase their spending. The Obama administration believes that people did spend the money, and cites analyses calling the cut one of the more effective forms of stimulus.

Mr. Slemrod said it was not unheard of for voters to miss tax cuts. Just a few years after a 1986 overhaul of the tax system made significant cuts to most people’s taxes, he said, a survey asked people what had happened to their taxes. “Most people didn’t answer that they went down,” he said.
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Here are some facts to correct the misinformation out there.

If you hear some of your Tea Party/Republican co-workers or neighbors or folks at the grocery store complain about how Obama is raising our taxes, how you can set them straight

Monday, October 25th 2010 at 9:59PM
Richard Kigel
So Rich, fewer than 1 in 10 knew, until election time. Uh huh.
Monday, October 25th 2010 at 10:04PM
Adam Fate
Have we forgotten that it's Congress that lowers or raises taxes? That we are voting for Congress, not a President? The Bush tax cuts are due to expire. Let's wait and see what Congress does.
Monday, October 25th 2010 at 11:32PM
Adam Fate
Irma, did you see Steven Muhammad's post on Farrakhan Saviors day in 1995? That's what we're still up against. I only registered Libertarian because I'm anti-establishment and don't like any of the other third-parties. But I did find an interesting site: http://independentsroom.wordpress.com/


Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 1:16AM
Adam Fate
Irma, we treat the Presidency like a Monarchy is all I'm saying.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 1:18AM
Adam Fate
Irma, the stuff I posted above is to show the corruption of the two-party system. I'm fighting against the two-party system, that's my one and only political goal. Until we have a system that is by, for, and of the people, this country will continue to decline. The Congress is to represent the people, and there are many people like myself, who don't think we are represented or served by the two-party systems. For me, this issue has to precede all other issues.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 8:34AM
Adam Fate
So I guess I could use Harry's words, we must first desire sovereignty.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 8:47AM
Adam Fate
What we have is two parties that work nonstop to keep it that way. Breaking the power of the two party system is a valid political goal, and my only goal at the moment, and most likely will be my goal till the day I die. As for the President, of course he can't please everyone. That's why we have Congress. It is they who represent the people as a whole. The same can't be said for this president, nor any that have come before. I'm the last one who would put any President on a pedestal. His duties are clearly defined in the Constitution. And it is wrong to say, as the title of the article does, and this from the New York Times no less! No wonder people are so confused. That the President gave the citizens a tax cut. But most probably would not even realize what those words suggest, because most see the President, any President, as the one who is the leader of the country. I do not.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 3:07PM
Adam Fate
But Irma, you should be glad I'm writing in the Libertarians. It will effectively be one less vote for the Republicans. Except how could I vote for Trivedi, when all he will do is throw money around like it grows on trees?
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 3:14PM
Adam Fate
@ADAM, HAS YOUR PRATY DECIDED WHAT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT THEY ARE GOING TO GET RID OF SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO ANY THING BUT SAY GET RED OF GOVERNMENT, BUT NEVER WHAT THE MILITARY, GOVERNMENT WORKERS, CONGRESS, WHAT OF GOVERNMENT DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF? ...

STILL WAITING...JUST AS ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA ARE STILL WAITING AFTER ASKING THE SAME THING...(SMILE)...SO FAR ONLY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AND ANSWER WHEN ASKE SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS CAN ANSWER AND EVERY ONE ELSE SAY THEY WANT SMALL GOVERMENT AND DLESS TAXES...AND LESS TAKEX IS WHAT YOU WILL GET IF YOU DON'T GO GET THOSE MIDDLE-CLASS JOBS OUT OF CHINA AND BACK HERE YOU WILL NOT GET ANY TAXES,,,,ANY TAX...NO BIG BUSINESS FROM OIL TO GENERAL EXECTRICTIC WILL PAY ZERO TAXES............MIDLE CLASS PAY TAX NOT BIG COMPANYS...AND THERE IS WHAT YOU LIBITARIANS WANT AND THAT IS WHAT YOU GO...STEVE THAT IS WHAT THEY MEAS....TE RICH DON'T PAY TASAS AT ALL...THEY ALREADY HAS IT DID'T YOU JNOW THAT...SHAME SHAME...educate!!!educate!!!educate!!!
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Compared to the english monarcy our president Could have to poor country monaechy...you see all of those crown jewels in England?? ..THEN ALL HE WOULD NEED IS TO GET A LITTLE ROYAL BLOOD. NOW WHERE CAN HE GET ANY OF THAT ADAM AS ROYAL BLOOD IS REQUIRED!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!

May So like will smith an tyler will let then have some of thierjewelry...no one would tessl lol (smile) But come to think about it men wear more jewlery now than females do...

We treat the president like a president which is little moe than a figure head to take pot shots at all of the time.I believe he is an hjonorable person. I believe he could get more done if he was a selfish person...just say to hell with them and go get it done himself!!!!!!!!!That should stop some of this childisn bulllgoing on in office.

I really don't care who gets into office in NOv. because sooner than later a lot of them will be sitting in court for one thing or another.That's why I can't wait to get the voting over and done with...then all holy hell is going to break loose.

SO GET READY TO DUCK. O.K.? AND, YES i AM SERIOUS wASHINTON IS GOING TO HAVE EVERYONE TELLING ON EVERY BODYELSE WHEN THOSE ON GOING INVESTIGATIONS BEGIN IN EARNEST. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...better yet Adam who pays taxes in the first place...how much tax monies went to pay China in 2007- 08...????
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Adam, the greatest problem with most people is they shun their own personal responsiability. example,

these are mear human beings that we vote for they come with human behaviors...that is until we take it upon our selves to raise them to God / machine status that they can be all and take care of all...

but we balk at they can not do our biddings like we all want the same things from these people therefore they can please the for something and against something at the same time...

WAKE UP...(smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
@Adam do you hope our established government be over thrown and BE replaced by WHAT?????????????!!!!!!!!? OR IS IT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS TO FOLLOW WHEN YOU GET YOUR WISH???????????(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
...and please, please try to use some plain old every day common sense...

if we have only tow political parties tehn how are you a regristered Libertarian?!? what happened to the right to vote as an INDEPANDANT, GREENPARTY, PROGRESSIVE, ECT .OR IS THIS STILL COMING UP AS ONLY 2 POLITICAL PARTIES DISPITE MATH BEING AN EXACT SCIENCE?!?...(NUP)

EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!EDUCATE!!!!
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
Adam, you are Libertarian right??? And, please tell me who is trying to get our president out after one term and whose administration are teh ones on the right going after with all of the being the party of NO...or is congress sent to D.C. to only vote "no" on everything say like in the Bush administration???? I realize the selectvie memory can do this to people, right? lol

Please join the real world Adam!!!! (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
ONLY IN AMERICA. (NUP)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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