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some body better try to understand that he is the only connection to the us if Egypt falls into the wrong hands its going to be hell to pay ! the oil will be a mess and the people that take power will not be allies to the USA !
Posted By: DAVID JOHNSON
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 7:24PM
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Why do you think that they won't be allies, America will just have to deal with them at the level that they choose.
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 8:12PM
Helen Lofton
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let me first say that the imports and exports belong th the president of Egypt if the try to kick him out then he will tie up the canal and that ck that the US is paying wil go in his pocket !
@ IRMA if Egypt falls into the terrorist hands then they will turn that country into a war zone and they will have a dictator running it ! there is already deception in the military so whats the next step !
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 9:05PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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regarding Egypt, that's how the whole thing started! Back in 1952, U.S. policymakers supported--don't exaggerate this, it was not a U.S. engineered coup but they were favorable to -- an army takeover. The idea was that the officers would be friendly to the United States, hostile to the USSR and Communism, and more likely to enjoy mass support.
In other words, policymakers and experts are endorsing a strategy today that has led to two of the biggest disasters in the history of U.S. Middle East policy. And now it is even worse, since we have these precedents and particularly the point about what happens when Islamists take power.
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 9:22PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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There is no organized moderate group in Egypt. Even the most important past such organization, the Kifaya movement, has already been taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood. Since 2007 its leader has been Abdel Wahhab al-Messiri, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood and a virulent anti-Semite.
Needless to say there are many forces at work in Egypt. A respected intelligence group is reporting that Hamas has sent operatives and fighters into Egypt to help the opposition to Mubarak. Meanwhile Mubarak has named chief of intelligence as his second in command.
Israel has a lot at stake in the outcome of this upheaval. For one its quiet border with Egypt may become another security problem.
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 9:29PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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@David, if this theme is of your words, may I ask what does the "Falling into the wrong hands" mean to you? (smile)
@ IRMA I BELIEVE THAT if Egypt falls into the terrorist hands(THE WRONG HANDS ) then they will turn that country into a war zone and they will have a dictator running it !AND THAT WHAT IT MEANS TO ME IRMA ............. there is already deception in the military so whats the next step !
Thursday, February 10th 2011 at 10:12PM
DAVID JOHNSON
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LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT MORE CLEAR the Egyptians will rally behind the Muslim Brotherhood because it is the only group organized enough to deliver "rapid change" — then radical Islamists will "be in control of the best-trained and best-equipped army in the Middle East." The "proponents of sane and secular freedom will wake up too late," just like in Iran, where they fought to kick out the Shah only to be "hanged in the city squares" when the mullahs took over.the Muslim Brotherhood "would be calamitous for U.S. security." It "supports Hamas and other terrorist groups, makes friendly noises to Iranian dictators and torturers," and would be an unreliable landlord of "the critical Suez Canal." It also opposes Egypt's 1979 agreement with Israel, "the foundation of peace in the Mideast," and would "endanger" U.S. counter terrorism efforts. "This is a very big deal."
Friday, February 11th 2011 at 1:06AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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In recent history, extremely. When the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces read out its communiqué on television Thursday, promising to “safeguard the homeland” and aspirations of the “great Egyptian people,” it was the latest in a long tradition of the military taking a definitive role in the state’s affairs. All four Egyptian presidents since the fifties have come from the military.
Its prestige dates back half a century when a group of talented military men, the Free Officers, overthrew King Farouk in 1952 after Egypt’s humiliating defeat in the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. The king was seen as a British colonial puppet. Gamal Abdul Nasser, a Free Officer, seized power and restored Egyptian national pride by leading the army to capture the strategic Suez Canal from British control and nationalizing it.
Nasser’s successor and fellow revolutionary, Anwar Sadat, eventually signed the peace treaty with Israel in 1979 which made him popular in Washington but not his own people. In 1981, he was assassinated by a religious fanatic, but swiftly succeeded by another man in uniform. Mr. Mubarak, a stalwart of the air force, took over and put in place emergency laws which still govern the country.
Friday, February 11th 2011 at 1:54AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Even Mr. Bush stepped back from his “freedom agenda” once democratic reform in Lebanon and Gaza resulted in electoral successes for anti-American Islamist parties. It just wasn’t soon enough to reverse the damage his invasion of Iraq had done to America’s standing in the world.
If there is a single principle that seems to guide Mr. Obama’s foreign-policy doctrine, it is “do no harm.” The Bush legacy still informs this administration’s approach as it seeks to avoid repeating its predecessor’s mistakes.
But caution can come off as hesitation. Mr. Obama’s failure to offer heartier encouragement of Egypt’s pro-democracy demonstrators from the outset frustrated American liberals and neo-conservatives alike, not to mention the brave opponents of President Hosni Mubarak’s regime.
On Thursday, Mr. Obama went the furthest he has yet in siding with the protesters when he spoke, before a crowd of American students, of “a new generation – your generation – who want their voices to be heard” and promised to aid “an orderly and genuine” transition to democracy in Egypt.
Later, after Mr. Mubarak ceded power but did not step down, the U.S. President insisted it was “not yet clear that this transition is immediate, meaningful or sufficient.”
Even if, in private, Mr. Obama may have been urging Mr. Mubarak to leave, he has been careful in public to avoid the appearance that he is engineering regime change. Yet, at the same time, he does not want to look like he is endorsing it only after the fact.
This has turned the Obama administration into a witness to change more than an agent of it.
“They’re undergoing a real test right now,” Michele Dunne, a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said in an interview. “They did not support [2009’s pro-democracy] demonstrators in Iran. They are trying to support the demonstrators in Egypt. But we have many chapters ahead of us here.”
In office, Mr. Obama has shown himself to be a cool-headed realist in foreign-policy matters. This is not to say he does not share the Egyptian protesters’ ultimate goal of a free and democratic society. But he is not naive enough to believe the line from autocracy to democracy is necessarily a straight one. Nor is he ideological enough to believe, as did Mr. Bush and the neocons, that democracy is the inevitable outcome of the march of history.
In the months before the Egyptian uprising, the Obama administration was uncritical – at least in public – of Mr. Mubarak’s lock on power. It seemed to shrug its shoulders last year as the Egyptian strongman, a staunch U.S. ally, rigged parliamentary elections and renewed the 30-year-old law that gave him emergency powers. It also cut funding for democracy promotion.
Its actions drew stiff reprimands from the Working Group on Egypt, a Washington-based panel chaired by Ms. Dunne and made up of leading Middle East analysts and human-rights advocates. The panel warned the administration that it was “repeating the mistake that Cold War-era administrations made when they supported right-wing dictatorships – right up until the point when they were toppled by radical forces.”
Since the Egyptian protests began, on the heels of those in Tunisia, the Obama administration has moved tentatively. After sending out mixed signals about the pace of change it wanted to see in Egypt, it seemed to settle in for the long haul on the weekend as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced support for “the transition process announced by the Egyptian government.”
But this was likely no more an endorsement of Mr. Mubarak’s go-slow timeline for change than Mr. Obama’s Thursday call for an “orderly and genuine transition” to democracy signalled that he had thrown his lot in with the protesters.
Mr. Obama’s first priority is American security. There remains much debate about which Egyptian outcome would best serve U.S. interests, not to mention those of the protesters. Would it be “democracy” in the short term, even if that results in a government led by an anti-democratic Muslim Brotherhood?
The truth is, no one knows. As Mr. Obama himself acknowledged on Thursday, “we are witnessing history unfold.”
His administration is still trying to figure out how to get on the right side of it.
Friday, February 11th 2011 at 1:56AM
DAVID JOHNSON
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Mubaraka 1981-2011 has been HELL for Misrians.
Anything is better.
Friday, February 11th 2011 at 8:05AM
powell robert
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...and, don't worry David, I am done. This simple question has gone as far as I believe It can possiably go seeking one simple / direct answer. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@clark, I am sure that some americans will not go so far as to give our president credit for his speech in Egypt because they would have to say these people listened to him about they are the government but only if they are swilling to take it back from the greed that has brought them less civil and legalrights and jobs a personal secutiry and we just went in NOV. and voted for more of those who has broung 10 years of war to their part of the world and ow that attacks on the twin towers was a complaint about these abuses of our setting up this kinds of brought and paid for miseery that is aosl in america...
and clark, I do agree with you 100% on this is different than Iran because our president is not going to allow Mabarak and all of is blood money paid by us into this country and we did when Iran did the same ting as tunisa and Egypt has done with more to follow...
not to mantion taht even revolutions and colsed banks and stock markets and Egypt loosing !0 million $$ a dayhas noto affected the stock markets or the price of oil...
Yes clark no other president in our country and certainly besides our president has ever enforced democray's principals whichin cludes a democratic nation must have the right to take care of their own internal affairs with out us invading them in any way form of fashion.
THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT EVENTHOUGH SO MANY IN AMERICA HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET YOU OUT OF OFFICE ( BY WAYOF THE AMRICAN NORM OF HATE AND FEAR BY CALLING YOU A MUSLIM) FOR OBEYING OUR OWN CHRISTIAN LAWS AS WELL AS OUR CONSTUTION. AND, "I" AMSO PROUD OF YOU EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT EVEN HAVE FREEDOMOF RELIGIOUS CHOICE IN AMERICA AND YOU ARE THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY.(SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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...and, before "I" say good night...the army in Egypt is like the ones in Iraq, Afganastian and Pakistan and Israel...brought and paid for by the united state's government...oh and we hated the Jews before they took ownership of the tv. print, radio and movie industry...our history shows it was the Jews not allowed in to America that were running froM Hitler, beause at that tIME they arrived on our shores running for their lives from Hitley...'Hitler was our friends not the Jews..
'(TOO POOR AND TH EWRONG RELIGION TO BOOT)...
you know much like all of those opic drugs illegally sold in america because of our isatiable thirst for them is able to finance the TERRORIST or have our set up dictators called for th ebombing of even one of those fields with all of the drug producing funding for the TERRORIST...David did you not know or are you saying this is a lie because we would never arm Iran or any other nation to fight against us or to kill babies in theri mother 's womb ???? andt he weapons of the Egyptian army does not say "made in america " oh yes and paid for by america(acutally shown by those reporters later brought back from Egypt oh they were the ones reporting about the Egyptian Dr. King and muslims and christians in unity and supporting eachother...SEE ANY MORE OF THIS AFTER THEY LEFT OR JUST THE MUSLIMBROTHER HOOD IS GOING TO USE ISLAM TO DISTROY MANKIND????...
AND HERE WE AE IN AMERICA AND CAN NOT EVEN PAY for our teachers, schools or police and firemen...
who and where is america going to get the people to fight in an invsion of the muslim brother hood??? the money or without cost to the deficit or bigger governmetn,,,because unlike Bush naot paying for his part in teh 8 years of war our president has not even gotten credit for ending one of them and saving about $22 billions a month...too busy callin ghim names...would you think, huh????...
S..................................M.......................I......................L................E...
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@Clark, do you believe it is going to be worst than when saddam refused to step down as demanded by Bush...and also Clark does all of this distruction that will be wort on all if our president don't invade Egypt as soon as possiable against the Muslimbrotherhood ..in...
any way form or fashion remind you of if we don't get in there and get those nuclear weapons of Saddam...in any way?!? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@David, tha tis well and good...as you and I I hope have the right to see Egypt in a different way. example, dispite the media no longer talking about what the Egyptians are saying about their following their nobel winning Egyptian man they call their own Dr. King and for me I do believe it is the same reason Glenn beck is saying not just th emiddle-east but all of that part of the world is going to go to hell if we in American admit taht this is already a Islamic dominated nation and not a it is going to be an Islamic antion if the kick out dictator and the $1.5 billio we give to him to make sure their country can get jobs, human rights, ect. with out our country invading them and making it better because the america way has only oppressed them more and more over the past 30 years...
but, me, I refuse to believe or accept or play into the bleief that these people are violent and not civilized because they have chosen to demand religious freedoms by our country by any means necessary...you know muc like I feel about the Black single mother as being individuals not a slcial label or belief...
Oh and letts not forget how we don't hear about Christians and Muslims in that square day after day in unity...something too many in our country rejects as a socal norm...we don't want mosques i america nor in Egypt...me it is all about them fighting fo rjobs at less than $2.00 a day and Democracy and being treated as msmbers of th ehuman race not violent people because we have been taught to do this to others as ...
OH , I WILL JUST PUT IS SIMPLE..."ALL BLACK STEAL AND ARE IN PRISON IN AMERICA...OH LETS NOT LEAVE OUT THE BIGGY ARE VIOLENT!!! (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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,,,david, hae you seen any of he military taking an active part in these 17 days of demonstrtions so violent that american reporters have ahsd to leave taht country...but, this is all good because it is being forced for our media to talk about bush sending to Egypt peoples to be tortures(by the 'right hands?!?...and also David you are putting america where you should b eputting England in Egypt...
and, againDavid what do you mean in specific what Terroeist group because I have yet to hear even our government or the media declare the Muslimbrother hood a 'terrorist ' group...I do hear they and the other 'terrorist' (groups by our government's labels) are against thee groups because they refuse to denounce violence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so again and if possiable please state specific what terrorist...me, I don't expect any violence in Egypt that can compare to ths tin Iraq, Afganistan or Palistan...so I am not expecting tis in Egypt after the people gets what they are seeking the kickin gout of the American well paid dictator...but aht is on me, not you, David. (smile)
oops almost forgot our media have ben forced to even bring in these people want and need jobs to be able to go to in response to america saying they should go totheir jobs and stop aksing for human rights. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@David, I am sure you have no idea you just removed Dr. M.L. King fight out of history...and all to deny that it must not be peaceful to cause CHANGE in how a wole government works. but again we have no use for facts like this...and what I mean is you have by wiping out the revolution for the average person to have someting as simple as salt and its ties to teh forming of peaceful revolution we have to day and it is also tied to why we hate Iran and our ownselves for demanding human rights...tha tis all (smile)
the moe I remain on the site the more I am adjusting to all of this, being taught to hate your own peoples 400 year old fight for being treated as human. (nup)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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David, you have avoided my question and it is why I asked if this theme was your words...now for example, when I hear the word terrorist I think of the KKK...but never a person of color as I know none who have been in our history more terrrorist but now our government calls it freedom of speech or a joke...and I have no reason to dislike / fear Muslims or Islam , be they Sunni or ****e because non have ever harmed one of my friends or family no did the kill my youngest daughter when she was there in teh Navy...
but to be specific, as I keep hearing how Americans fear our president for being with the Egyptians and so far we are not calling any of Egypt our enemy except for it seem Islam/ the Muslimbrother hood as what it seem the 'WRONG HANDS' will be I asked you directly what do you mean byt "the wrong hands"...and, I gather you have about as much facts on the "wrong hands" as anyone in the media...is aht what you are saying by no answering me...
remembe fDavid, I am only out to find facts to be educated by never emotional out burst...like 30 years ago the presidnet person was our right person to send countless $billions to and now he seem to be the wrong person, that 's all. (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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@David, if this theme is of your words, may I ask what does the "Falling into the wrong hands" mean to you? (smile)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
ROBINSON IRMA
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Me, "I" will just stick with it is not my fault that for 30 years our government has spent money investing in one single person in Egypt to protect Israel and to allow their peoples as well as peoples of many other contuTies to be taken there and tortured until Wikileaks and Tunisa starting this dominoe fallings that Bush's invading Iraq could not accompolished...THE JEWS AND NONJEWS AND CHRISTIANS IS IN FACT THE FIRST WAR IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE...
oh and I got this informatio about this first wr in the Bible, not from Catholic amss, but not long ago from Bible scholars and using 'tanglebale things found from this time period 's society in the Bible on the History channel...they do almost weekly documentary like this...(smile)
CHICKENS DO COME HOME TO ROOST IN TIME. (SMILE)
Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM
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